I remember when the PS1 was cutting edge tech, now you can play the games in a browser on a computer that can fit in your pocket! I got my RPI5 in the post yesterday from pimoroni and have been rewatching all your videos to get it set up right. Really happy with it so far, I got the 8gb version but it looks like the 4gb version would have been good enough. Gives me another excuse to buy a second one! Great video, I look forward to seeing more.
Thanks Lee, another great video. Really informative. My opinion on the RPi5 - I'm a little disappointed with it. It's a 720/1080 device at best. I was hoping I'd be able to hook up to a TV and use as a nice native 4k media player but It's poor. Playing 4k apart from the stuttering which I could put down to the fact we're early to the OS, the thermals are worrying. I'm not convinced about the long term viability of the silicon - it runs too hot even with the officer heatsink/fan on. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong case-use for it and I should use for less resource intensive usages.
As far as I am concerned, 4K is a complete gimmick and waste of money - unless you're projecting onto the side of a building, a huge screen or the underside of a big dome. 4K exists in the consumer space because evil corporations couldn't get you to buy 3D TVs and we know what happened with those.
My pi4s have been overclocked to their limit (individual limit) for the whole time. My oldest is over 4 years old. The micro hdmi port mangling is the biggest concern. I've ruined one hdmi0 port. Second, a brand new USB flash wrecked a 2.0 port. I swapped one off a 3b+ with a small torch/gas soldering iron. I blew up a pi4 8gb plugging in USB to a 3.0 port. The USB had its own power which was a mismatch, made worse I'm guessing by the overclocked overvolt settings, (bigger potential difference.) Pis are tough, I'd say you'd have to try to break em. Or just get really unlucky. Pi5 4gb sitting at 3000/900. Going to try for more OCs in a bit.
@@pgtmr2713 I'd agree about the 4. Mine was flawless with overclock. Not so sure about others, I've had two Zero 2Ws give up the ghost on me and I'm pretty sure it was thermals that baked them.
I picked up a couple (4GB and 8GB) in The Pi store on their Black Friday discounted event last week. Although I already had a press pack of both models I find the 8GB is better for a desktop replacement and the 4GB fine for RetroPi, or Home assistant . Will you be doing a video showing the RTC and deep sleep, etc. For me it's a game changer.
Depends on your needs, I got the 4gb version, headless, dual NVME, installed Dietpi, qbittorrent server, SFTP server and Jellyfin...I can't get memory usage to break 800 mb at peak. The Pi is not economical vs mini PCs' and best bang for the buck, but the Pi 5 is one fast and fun little SBC
In my honest opinion: Get an 8GB, the price difference isnt huge and its always good to have more ram when you need it, as oppsed to running out of it.
4gb are more than enough to emulate old system with 2mb of ram at the best. Maybe doing other tasks can be a problem, but i don't think there is any problem emulating anything up to the ps2. Try yuzu, maybe there something can change. Emulating a ps2 will probably just get less than 100mb.
Very true, but there's one option in a bunch of emulators that'll eat RAM like it's turkey at thanksgiving: "load game into ram", which basically eliminates as much load time as is possible. PS2 games can be a full 4GB, but some are much bigger like God of War (and 2). Besides that one feature however, I don't see much reason for the 8GB in emulation/gaming applications.
It’s too inefficient. Way too much power for very little outcome and gets too hot, too quick. I say it’s not optimal for a handheld, that is if you want to make it compact and user friendly.
The only problem is to buy 1. I gave up on raspberry pi and switched over to orange pi 5. The orange-pi5 still blows away the raspberry qua performance.
Does anyone know if the USB-C in RPi 5 can be used to connect a USB-C hub and connect things like a monitor/keyboard through it? Or does it only charge though USB-C with no option to change it?
Hihi I'm thinking of getting 1 for retro gaming for my 4k tv but I'm don't know if it can do the CRT-Royale shaders well in retroarch for consoles up to PS1/Saturn. If it wouldn't be too much troublesome, can you do a video of retro gaming featuring the CRT-Royale shaders? 😅Veri thanks in advance! XDDD
My experience with Pi4s was 8GB models were faster, they could be overclocked higher. That was with 3 4GB models and 3 8GB models. My 4GB models were all older though. I don't expect it to make a difference with Pi5, unless somehow whatever you're doing loads up on the ram. I mean even games don't load the whole game into memory. Also, tabs in the browser? Just open another Pi instead of having a thousand tabs across the top on one browser on one computer. Try closing them occassionaly too. 😀 Smoother than having 2 browsers on 2 screens on one pi. Playing Hulk on Gamecube as per your Retropie 64bit OS lite install. Pi OS seems to like 2900 instead of 3000. Retropie so far stable at 3000/900 for me, going to push it a little more. Hulk gameplay feels fine, sound is a little skippy. Very playable. I'm not picky on counting frames.
ETA prime did a video pointing pi4 8gb ram was kinda useless, but seen the coments here, i guess 8gb ram could be useful for: servers, windows wor, etc
Stumbled across this video as I am about to buy a Pi5 and wondered whether I need an 8GB. Couple of questions, are you running a multi boot OS? I see you switched the OS to boot off of an SD card for the PS2 emulator. What case do you have the Pi 5 in?
I think the 8GB is worth it for running an operating system. I have loads of sd cards, SSD drives and nvme drives so I generally don’t run multi boot. These are my most used cases at this time Raspberry Pi 5 Metal case with NVMe. 52Pi ua-cam.com/video/kUBHWhdpbco/v-deo.html Desalvo Systems Raspberry Pi 5 Galactic case ua-cam.com/video/zy8tBDTegiU/v-deo.html
before watching I'd say the 4GB is probably fine for gaming, I'd rather have the 8GB for desktop daily use since I am still waiting for mine to arrive, I have to guess
It doesn't need more unless you are trying to crowbar on Microsoft's crappy, bloated and privacy-hating OS onto the Pi - which I would recommend that nobody does. Windows 10 and 11 need 8GB RAM minimum for all of the background tasks stealing your data and phoning it home to Microsoft - the heaviest Linux distro (Ubuntu) will have a maximum memory profile of around 2-3GB, even with 20 or 30 browser tabs open. You need to stop counting by "the Microsoft method" and start counting by "the Linux method".
raspberry pi foundation have not solved their stock availability issues. ordered in the am hours on day 1 of the preorders and others have theirs first while still no word on mine. so to me the raspberry pi 5 is dead. there are other alternatives without all this political supply chain mess.
Yes, absolutely there are alternatives and those of us who have learned Linux well enough have been able to get Orange Pi and other boards from China during the entire duration of the shortage - not to mention all the muppets rushing to upgrade to Windows 11 and dumping old but perfectly good used HP, Dell and Lenovo SFF PCs with 3rd or 4th generation Core i5 or i7 CPUs on your favourite auction sites for the same (or lower) prices than the Pi that can act as platforms on which to run Linux. Of course, to use those alternatives you have to put in some time and effort to learn Linux properly without expecting everything you need to be "served up on silver platter" to you. If all you ever do is expect everything to be shown to you step-by-step on a UA-cam video without learning and experimenting yourself then, of course, you're going to be dependent on doing everything on the RPi because that's the board with the most videos made for it - and you'll just end up "throwing your toys out of the pram" like you've done above because you're not getting your own way. SBCs come from the maker communities who are engineers and who like to experiment, and from education to give kids cheap boards to learn programming on - the fact that Raspberry Pi has enough support to make it a consumer device for lazy people to use is fine, but that's an anomaly. Go to any other SBC board and you are much more "on your own" - but for a lot of us, that's the fun of being able to try these other boards out.
Why is it not enough? This is not Windows where it needs 8GB of RAM to run applications in the background that constantly monitor what you are doing and steal your personal data.
1st comment 1GB Model should be scrapped 1GB of ram is nowhere near enough for desktop use if for some reason the pi5 costs too much then there should be a Pi0 for those instead for a much lower price Still waiting for the day WOR comes out with Windows on Raspberry Pi 5 Will it be any more useable than WOR on Pi4 probably not due to lack of GPU drivers
@@terrydaktyllus1320 The mainline Raspberry Pi's have become more of an entry level and affordable desktop computer. The Pi02w has become more of the pi for low power headless projects at a much smaller cost with just enough power. A 1GB model is unnecessary and benefits no one. The difference between $35 and $45 is marginal just buy a 2GB model, producing a 1GB model is a waste of resources that could of been devoted to a Pi5 with more ram
@@TacticianTilted "The mainline Raspberry Pi's have become more of an entry level and affordable desktop computer." Define your usage of "desktop computer" - once I understand what you consider a desktop computer to be, I can discuss further. But I suspect it's different to my definition. "The Pi02w has become more of the pi for low power headless projects at a much smaller cost with just enough power." Just enough power for what? I can run an i3 "desktop" on an original RPI 1 or the original Pi Zero, which has a similar specification. But, again, my definition of a "desktop" will be different to your one. "A 1GB model is unnecessary and benefits no one." So your specifications for a computing device apply automatically to everyone else? As someone who has been using Linux since 1996 and his own custom Linux builds in Gentoo since 2003, I've got perfectly good machines running "desktops" in 512 MB. Again, you're assuming that your definition of "desktop" is the same as mine. "The difference between $35 and $45 is marginal just buy a 2GB model, producing a 1GB model is a waste of resources that could of been devoted to a Pi5 with more ram" And if you're buying 100 or 1000 of them for education or an industrial application, what then? That's when $10 price difference per unit actually matters. You are only thinking of you and your needs, you're not thinking "outside of the box". And you still have not described what you define as a "desktop".
I remember when the PS1 was cutting edge tech, now you can play the games in a browser on a computer that can fit in your pocket! I got my RPI5 in the post yesterday from pimoroni and have been rewatching all your videos to get it set up right. Really happy with it so far, I got the 8gb version but it looks like the 4gb version would have been good enough. Gives me another excuse to buy a second one! Great video, I look forward to seeing more.
Thanks Lee, another great video. Really informative.
My opinion on the RPi5 - I'm a little disappointed with it. It's a 720/1080 device at best. I was hoping I'd be able to hook up to a TV and use as a nice native 4k media player but It's poor. Playing 4k apart from the stuttering which I could put down to the fact we're early to the OS, the thermals are worrying. I'm not convinced about the long term viability of the silicon - it runs too hot even with the officer heatsink/fan on. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong case-use for it and I should use for less resource intensive usages.
As far as I am concerned, 4K is a complete gimmick and waste of money - unless you're projecting onto the side of a building, a huge screen or the underside of a big dome.
4K exists in the consumer space because evil corporations couldn't get you to buy 3D TVs and we know what happened with those.
My pi4s have been overclocked to their limit (individual limit) for the whole time. My oldest is over 4 years old. The micro hdmi port mangling is the biggest concern. I've ruined one hdmi0 port. Second, a brand new USB flash wrecked a 2.0 port. I swapped one off a 3b+ with a small torch/gas soldering iron. I blew up a pi4 8gb plugging in USB to a 3.0 port. The USB had its own power which was a mismatch, made worse I'm guessing by the overclocked overvolt settings, (bigger potential difference.) Pis are tough, I'd say you'd have to try to break em. Or just get really unlucky. Pi5 4gb sitting at 3000/900. Going to try for more OCs in a bit.
@@pgtmr2713 I'd agree about the 4. Mine was flawless with overclock. Not so sure about others, I've had two Zero 2Ws give up the ghost on me and I'm pretty sure it was thermals that baked them.
I picked up a couple (4GB and 8GB) in The Pi store on their Black Friday discounted event last week. Although I already had a press pack of both models I find the 8GB is better for a desktop replacement and the 4GB fine for RetroPi, or Home assistant .
Will you be doing a video showing the RTC and deep sleep, etc. For me it's a game changer.
Exactly what i was looking for! Дякую!
Depends on your needs, I got the 4gb version, headless, dual NVME, installed Dietpi, qbittorrent server, SFTP server and Jellyfin...I can't get memory usage to break 800 mb at peak. The Pi is not economical vs mini PCs' and best bang for the buck, but the Pi 5 is one fast and fun little SBC
Maybe you should compare, RPI 5 with ORPI5, which one is better. Price looks similar.
Yes, because coolcomponents had 50 in stock this morning.
thank god for that last time i checked there were only 19 in stock
wow it does so well on 4gb awesome.
No, it's too much. 640k is more than anyone should ever need.
I'd be happy if I could get any RPI5 right now, nevermind 4 or 8GB.
In my honest opinion: Get an 8GB, the price difference isnt huge and its always good to have more ram when you need it, as oppsed to running out of it.
4gb are more than enough to emulate old system with 2mb of ram at the best. Maybe doing other tasks can be a problem, but i don't think there is any problem emulating anything up to the ps2. Try yuzu, maybe there something can change. Emulating a ps2 will probably just get less than 100mb.
Very true, but there's one option in a bunch of emulators that'll eat RAM like it's turkey at thanksgiving: "load game into ram", which basically eliminates as much load time as is possible.
PS2 games can be a full 4GB, but some are much bigger like God of War (and 2). Besides that one feature however, I don't see much reason for the 8GB in emulation/gaming applications.
In the USA we can't even get the 8GB Pi5 yet. Only the 4GB model is shipping from pre-orders
I wish there's a retro emulation handheld based off of this chipset. It just needs a 3:2 display and a large fast charging battery.
It’s too inefficient. Way too much power for very little outcome and gets too hot, too quick. I say it’s not optimal for a handheld, that is if you want to make it compact and user friendly.
The only problem is to buy 1. I gave up on raspberry pi and switched over to orange pi 5. The orange-pi5 still blows away the raspberry qua performance.
Watched this video twice, but didn't get what was the initial OS?
My Linux setup Raspberry Pi 5 Part 2. KDE Plasma
ua-cam.com/video/ODNF-J_CSp4/v-deo.html
Does anyone know if the USB-C in RPi 5 can be used to connect a USB-C hub and connect things like a monitor/keyboard through it? Or does it only charge though USB-C with no option to change it?
At this stage it’s just power. I did read somewhere. it may be otg in the future
Hihi I'm thinking of getting 1 for retro gaming for my 4k tv but I'm don't know if it can do the CRT-Royale shaders well in retroarch for consoles up to PS1/Saturn. If it wouldn't be too much troublesome, can you do a video of retro gaming featuring the CRT-Royale shaders? 😅Veri thanks in advance! XDDD
My experience with Pi4s was 8GB models were faster, they could be overclocked higher. That was with 3 4GB models and 3 8GB models. My 4GB models were all older though. I don't expect it to make a difference with Pi5, unless somehow whatever you're doing loads up on the ram. I mean even games don't load the whole game into memory. Also, tabs in the browser? Just open another Pi instead of having a thousand tabs across the top on one browser on one computer. Try closing them occassionaly too. 😀 Smoother than having 2 browsers on 2 screens on one pi. Playing Hulk on Gamecube as per your Retropie 64bit OS lite install. Pi OS seems to like 2900 instead of 3000. Retropie so far stable at 3000/900 for me, going to push it a little more. Hulk gameplay feels fine, sound is a little skippy. Very playable. I'm not picky on counting frames.
The 8GB RPi4 had different power delivery circuitry compared to the lower RAM versions. That's why they overclocked better
Bottom line is price matters. I need to know whether price goes up or down in near future....
can you try nfs ug1-2, most wanted with rasperry pi 5?
ETA prime did a video pointing pi4 8gb ram was kinda useless, but seen the coments here, i guess 8gb ram could be useful for: servers, windows wor, etc
what us your Internet speed test like ? ...
Stumbled across this video as I am about to buy a Pi5 and wondered whether I need an 8GB. Couple of questions, are you running a multi boot OS? I see you switched the OS to boot off of an SD card for the PS2 emulator. What case do you have the Pi 5 in?
I think the 8GB is worth it for running an operating system. I have loads of sd cards, SSD drives and nvme drives so I generally don’t run multi boot.
These are my most used cases at this time
Raspberry Pi 5 Metal case with NVMe. 52Pi
ua-cam.com/video/kUBHWhdpbco/v-deo.html
Desalvo Systems Raspberry Pi 5 Galactic case
ua-cam.com/video/zy8tBDTegiU/v-deo.html
is 4gb good for image processing/object detection for daily use?
Daily use is fine.
Hi! Should I buy a 4gb Raspberry 5 or 8gb one? I want to run UBUNTU (primarily), RetroPie, Batocera, AetherSX2 and sometimes do coding stuff.
8GB for web browsing 4Gb should be fine for the rest of
@@leepspvideo Thanks a lot!
I'm STILL waiting for mine!!!! 😞
before watching I'd say the 4GB is probably fine for gaming, I'd rather have the 8GB for desktop daily use
since I am still waiting for mine to arrive, I have to guess
Is that windows you are using on the raspberry pi? What version it looks really nice!!
My Linux setup Raspberry Pi 5 Part 2. KDE Plasma
ua-cam.com/video/ODNF-J_CSp4/v-deo.html
what os is that ?
@leepspvideo what os is that ?
My Linux setup Raspberry Pi 5 Part 2. KDE Plasma
ua-cam.com/video/ODNF-J_CSp4/v-deo.html
So they have the same performance in emulation?
I expect so, time will tell on PS2 and beyond
What is the OS that the Pi is running on ?
My Linux setup Raspberry Pi 5 part 3. KDE Plasma
ua-cam.com/video/dHi-iQI68zY/v-deo.html
Expect ram expansion thru the pcie port in the future, but for now does zram work ?
It is practically impossibile to make any of the Pis, is it 4 or 5, to use more than 2Gb of operative memory.
I jave a 4gb pi5.. its fantastic for emulation..
I also have a pi4 and the difference in power is obviouse
Please more aethersx2 testing
I will when we get better 3d support
Its not "should" you buy a pi but "can" you buy a pi.
I'll wait until the inevitable Pi 6 in 2024.
its 2026
tl;dw: As long as you don't game in 8k, 4GiB is more than enough.
pi5 is incapable of any gaming beyond 1080p even 1080p is stretching 720p is optimal
For a $20 difference basically a trip to McDonald’s bigger is always better
if you put it that way ill get the 8gb. gotta cut down on OF for a few month to make up the difference
But can it run Crysis?🤣
❤
still 4x more than my current
No. Unless it is.
Just grab a N100..
No. Orange pi has standard 8g. They need more. That is old tech.
It doesn't need more unless you are trying to crowbar on Microsoft's crappy, bloated and privacy-hating OS onto the Pi - which I would recommend that nobody does.
Windows 10 and 11 need 8GB RAM minimum for all of the background tasks stealing your data and phoning it home to Microsoft - the heaviest Linux distro (Ubuntu) will have a maximum memory profile of around 2-3GB, even with 20 or 30 browser tabs open.
You need to stop counting by "the Microsoft method" and start counting by "the Linux method".
raspberry pi foundation have not solved their stock availability issues. ordered in the am hours on day 1 of the preorders and others have theirs first while still no word on mine. so to me the raspberry pi 5 is dead. there are other alternatives without all this political supply chain mess.
I have the same. 😢 Deadberry Pi
Yes, absolutely there are alternatives and those of us who have learned Linux well enough have been able to get Orange Pi and other boards from China during the entire duration of the shortage - not to mention all the muppets rushing to upgrade to Windows 11 and dumping old but perfectly good used HP, Dell and Lenovo SFF PCs with 3rd or 4th generation Core i5 or i7 CPUs on your favourite auction sites for the same (or lower) prices than the Pi that can act as platforms on which to run Linux.
Of course, to use those alternatives you have to put in some time and effort to learn Linux properly without expecting everything you need to be "served up on silver platter" to you. If all you ever do is expect everything to be shown to you step-by-step on a UA-cam video without learning and experimenting yourself then, of course, you're going to be dependent on doing everything on the RPi because that's the board with the most videos made for it - and you'll just end up "throwing your toys out of the pram" like you've done above because you're not getting your own way.
SBCs come from the maker communities who are engineers and who like to experiment, and from education to give kids cheap boards to learn programming on - the fact that Raspberry Pi has enough support to make it a consumer device for lazy people to use is fine, but that's an anomaly.
Go to any other SBC board and you are much more "on your own" - but for a lot of us, that's the fun of being able to try these other boards out.
4 GB isn't enough for me. Please test with 8 gigs RAM
Why is it not enough? This is not Windows where it needs 8GB of RAM to run applications in the background that constantly monitor what you are doing and steal your personal data.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 i know. I'm too lazy to close many window tabs.
1st comment
1GB Model should be scrapped 1GB of ram is nowhere near enough for desktop use if for some reason the pi5 costs too much then there should be a Pi0 for those instead for a much lower price
Still waiting for the day WOR comes out with Windows on Raspberry Pi 5
Will it be any more useable than WOR on Pi4 probably not due to lack of GPU drivers
Not yet as the Mesa drivers need to be a newer version
So who told you the Raspberry Pi is designed as a desktop device?
My view is that most use cases where 1GB of RAM wouldn't be a limitation are probably handled fine by a Pi 4.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 The mainline Raspberry Pi's have become more of an entry level and affordable desktop computer. The Pi02w has become more of the pi for low power headless projects at a much smaller cost with just enough power.
A 1GB model is unnecessary and benefits no one. The difference between $35 and $45 is marginal just buy a 2GB model, producing a 1GB model is a waste of resources that could of been devoted to a Pi5 with more ram
@@TacticianTilted "The mainline Raspberry Pi's have become more of an entry level and affordable desktop computer."
Define your usage of "desktop computer" - once I understand what you consider a desktop computer to be, I can discuss further. But I suspect it's different to my definition.
"The Pi02w has become more of the pi for low power headless projects at a much smaller cost with just enough power."
Just enough power for what?
I can run an i3 "desktop" on an original RPI 1 or the original Pi Zero, which has a similar specification.
But, again, my definition of a "desktop" will be different to your one.
"A 1GB model is unnecessary and benefits no one."
So your specifications for a computing device apply automatically to everyone else? As someone who has been using Linux since 1996 and his own custom Linux builds in Gentoo since 2003, I've got perfectly good machines running "desktops" in 512 MB.
Again, you're assuming that your definition of "desktop" is the same as mine.
"The difference between $35 and $45 is marginal just buy a 2GB model, producing a 1GB model is a waste of resources that could of been devoted to a Pi5 with more ram"
And if you're buying 100 or 1000 of them for education or an industrial application, what then? That's when $10 price difference per unit actually matters.
You are only thinking of you and your needs, you're not thinking "outside of the box".
And you still have not described what you define as a "desktop".
Good luck maxing out even 2GB lel