How Strong is Tiencha? I know he's not technically Cannon but it's still fascinating thing to understand even though it only appears in one video game well multiple if you count other games
2:18 - its not controversial at all, he's no where near ultimate gohan and there's absolutely nothing concrete that suggests otherwise. goku states they can't fight super buu "like this" referring to being unfused, this is in the context of a conversation with vegeta about fusing again. where the heck are you getting this whole 'he thought they'd be tiny' nonsense from? he is directly stating that without fusing they cannot fight super buu even with the two of them, there is no ambiguity here.
Lonk has been on this Goku/Kid Buu > Gohan BS for years. His justification for it is basically just a few irrelevant hyperbole statements from the narrator of Z
Regardless Gokule still slams since Buuhan is only 2x Gohan while if we Assume Gohan is twice as strong as SSJ3 Goku, Gokuule is still 25x stronger than Buuhan
1) Goku wasn’t afraid of super buu because the same Goku, if not weaker, was ready to fight buutenks 💀. Unless u want to say super buu> buutenks 2) Goku was afraid he would have to fight super buu while still being nerfed to 1/100th of his power. That’s why he said we can’t fight super buu like THIS. Mentioning their size and strength 3) you’re fighting a wall here because we have countless guides that call Goku the strongest even when ultimate gohan was alive 4) Goku de-transforms in front of buucollo, someone yet again STRONGER THAN BASE SUPER BUU 💀. 5) the anime makes it even worse for our favorite Z fighters when ss Goku one shots ultimate gohan 😭 6) have I mentioned the daizenshuu, a guide that toriyama said wields more knowledge of dragon ball than himself, said Goku was the strongest not once but 3 times??? ALL WHILE ULTIMATE GOHAN WAS ALIVE???
Would love to see a similar video for another popular what if fusion... How strong would Tiencha be? Could a hypothetical 22nd Budokai Tiencha stop the Saiyan invasion? Could a Saiyan arc Tiencha save Namek from Freeza? Etc.
@SleepLessThan3 Tien at the time was 180, and we lack any official number for Yamcha but even assuming he's just 100... That'd put that arc Tiencha at 18,000 same as Vegeta... And that's probably a low ball for 22nd Yamcha since, as Lonk pointed out in this video lower power levels aren't linear. So even if significantly weaker than Tien or Roshi like Yamcha was, their numbers would be deceptively close unless you think PL 5 Farmer, was actually 1/20th of Moon level PL 180 Roshi... Or half of Goku from start of series with his PL 10 that was building level and such.
@daymianhogue1634 the problem with AxB is that elder kai told goku that he could just go super saiyan after fusing. If 2 people with a power level of 10 fuse, then by AxB the fusion would have a power level of 100, and then would be at 5k with super saiyan. However, if each person went super saiyan first and then fused, the resulting fusion would have a power level of 250000 (500x500), which would be an extra super saiyan boost. Also by the AxB logic, fusing with someone who has a power level below 1 (if you're using something like the kili scale, basically everyone before the namek arc is below 1 since supposedly base buu saga goku > shin > frieza) would make you weaker.
I miss Gokule,But mad their outfits didn't mix like vegito smh,And I wanna see him ssj3 with either dreads or braids,Imagine if old kai awakened hercules true real potential and THEN they fused.
I wonder if Gokule could transform into a Super Saiyan though. Goku himself mentions that Hercule’s lack of ki could do more harm than help. Great video though, very insightful, I loved it!
Regardless of how strong he actually would be, Gokule would at least be stronger than Goku, despite the saiyan's worries. Potara adds the fusees together than multiplies. It just wouldn't be as *efficient* a fusion as with 'geets, rival boost aside.
My 11 year old mind was broken when I first learned of Gokule playing Budokai 2. I grinded early 2000's no internet style to get that fusion and when I obtained it, it was greater than I could of ever imagined and thought that was the peak of Dragon Ball gaming... I was right 😂
If some of the normal first tournament fighters from dragon ball had a power level of around 100 (Nam, Ranfan, Bacterian) and Hercule is actually a champion. I’d say he should be closer to that.
The whole "A times B" thing is so stupid, power levels are arbitrary even in universe. They aren't some actual universal way of measurement, someone just decided to say that "Yeah this amount of power is what we'll call a 1" and went from there. There are even alternative ways of measuring power, Kili is what demons use instead of Power Levels where 1 Kili is about 50,000 Power Levels. If fusion is really A x B then what method of measurement is it using? Both Power Levels and Kili are arbitrary, so there's no reason for it to work based on those, and depending on how much energy you consider "1 unit" drastically changes how powerful an A x B multiplier would be. In DBS we get a much more reasonable multiplier for Fusion, being "A + B Multiplied tens of times over". That actually does work and doesn't rely on arbitrary measurement systems.
We really need to stop using guides to scale characters. Just take the manga as it is and use guides when they support the manga, not contradict it, or create statements that never existed in the manga. That part where you claim that Goku meant that he was tiny and didn't know he'd grow back is directly contradicted by the next chapter where Goku tries to blow a hole on Buu's head and he's surprised that it didn't work. It took Buu telling Goku that he's the size of a flea, so his attacks aren't much. Goku never realised being small did anything. When Goku said he'll kill us if we went out like this, he meant unfused. When Vegeta broke the potara, it was Goku he chastised him for it. For goodness sake, Goku suggests fusion to deal with Buu in the next panel. You're horribly wrong on this. Edit: oh my God, there's more proof you're wrong on the dame panel you presented where Goku says that Buu is still stronger despite removing everyone from him. Rethink your stance because you're actively spreading misinformation.
By how people are running with Goku over Gohan now Kid buu would beat the daylights out of buutenks then since ss3 Goku is shown throwing hands with him in the anime
same as buuhan debate,kid buu is literally just crazier and more unhinged so he's more destructive but any form of kid buu that has someone absorbed,like Super buu for example is stronger and will beat kid vuu
@@mega-dragoooon942 nah Goku stated the strongest in guides and even the manga with anime even supporting this even more There also literally a v jump magazine saying Buu saga ss3 Goku over Buuhan Which means kid buu who around that Goku level just wins
This is why you can't take power scalers seriously. Gohan is literally AT LEAST 8x stronger than SSJ3 Goku by your own sources, but you've chosen to forego anything against your points here, conveniently. Your napkin math and nonsense rationalizations of non-canon supplementary material are cringe as hell.
The power level multiplication thing makes no sense. That means that if Goku and Vegeta both had a power level of 1 mil and fused with potara, Vegito would be 1 million times stronger than either Goku or Vegeta alone. There is no way it is that much of a multiplier lol
Ain't going to lie Goku beating Gohan is the new month cycle of cabba vs ss4 Gogeta With me saying the least popular choice does win I wonder what the next one kid buu vs super buu or copy Vegeta vs Omega shenron Maybe SSG Goku vs ss4 Goku
Goku doesn't get zenkais in the Buu saga. Buutenks stated that post healing Gohan didn't get any stronger which implies that zenkais are no longer a thing after a certain point. In DBS trunks reiterates that point. Vegeta getting a zenkai doesn't contradict anything since he's weaker than gohan
@@ojpickle5923 Goku literally getting a zenkai in the top since he went from omen one doing nothing which is stronger than blue 20 to base blue doing better against a more trying Jiren which is shown since Jiren said base blue Vegeta final flash is the most impressive thing he seen in the tourney which means over ss2 kefla who in just ss1 is said above the uni 7 sprirt bomb which is stronger than SSB kk20 Goku
@@gameuniverse5973 That's anime only. It doesn't apply to the manga version of DBS. It's also just him getting stronger mid fight, not from near death recovery. Nappa does that in the Saiyan saga. That's not a zenkai. Even if you want to call it a zenkai, that's a anime super only recon. Doesn't apply when talking about GT, DBS manga, or "z only" arguments
I'm sorry but that Goku scaling is way out of whack. Going by canon, Dabura is as strong as Cell and he is explicitly shown to not be worried about regular SS Goku. And when they fight as SS2's, Vegeta explicitly says they're stronger than SS2 Teen Gohan in a way that suggests they're only moderately stronger.
@@lonkstakes Goku explicitly says Dabura is about even with Cell. How SS2 Teen Gohan and SP Cell scale exactly is somewhat open to debate and interpretation, but they're at least relative as shown by the intensity of their beam struggle- where Gohan still received assist from Vegeta and, only in the anime, the other Z fighters.
His PL is only 7 by Frieza force units. Who says Potora uses those units? By babidis Kili units Hercule would likely be a decimal number. There's no proof that Potora is using Frieza force units. Assigning a number is pure fanfic
Vados even states that keflas fusion only made them "tens of times stronger" so Frieza force units probably weren't being used since their number would have been higher. Since we can't determine the units, we can't say how strong the multiplier would be
There's alot wrong with this video especially fusion Vados literally said potara is The full power of both fighters X 10s of times in super regarding kefla Example A(25) + B(25)= C(50) x D(50x/99x) = (E)2500/4950 D =10s of times, we have no cannon exact Multipliers
Not disagreeing with your logic that Goku post fusion is stronger than Ultimate Gohan, but I am curious as to where in the anime/manga that’s stated or implied. I know they never directly compared the two so I’m just curious
@@S0l0117 manga evidence:says if Goku fails that the universe is doomed when Gohan and ss3 gottenks are alive Guide evidence:one says Goku was the strongest warrior in the universe,goku is over the power of the sprirt bomb which has ultimate Gohan plus other powers,v jump says Buu saga Goku over Buuhan Anime evidence:Goku can fight ultimate Gohan clone inside buu body it stated in the guide there as strong as the original Goku can throw hands with buutenks and blitz him same one that rip Gohan in half There probably way more but this is what I can think of on the top of my head
@ appreciate it my man thank you! Gotta reread the manga buu arc that’s honestly dope goku was always that guy 🤝love ultimate gohan but goku definitely deserves the universe strongest over him
@@lonkstakesThe fact it's only Tens of times is more proof that Potora isn't using Frieza force units to measure PL. Other units like babidis Kili exist. We can't say how strong the fusion would be
All I got from this is that I want an updated version of your old SSJ3 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan video. The small bits of evidence provided in this video for Goku is crazy and completely changed my mind on the topic.
im sorry but Mr Satan could pull 4 busses...so he is atlest 25 to 50...yes I'm saying he is stro nger than goku at the start of DB Mr Satan is Peak non Ki user Human...he could have beaten everyone but roshi in the first 2 tournaments
I think the problem here is the power you gave Goku. The scene you're showing here 1:44 shows Kaioshin surprised by Goku, yes; but after he used SS2 and *that's* when he was stronger than his SS from the Cell saga, not his base form. Also, I don't remember if this is canon, but when Majin Vegeta was fighting Buu, Piccolo mentions Vegeta was slightly more powerful than SS2 Gohan from Cell saga. Using this, and seeing Goku and Vegeta fighting at the same level as SS2, then there's no way base Goku in Buu saga is stronger than his SS from the cell games
I disagree when it comes to Boo's absorptions. I don't think Boo's absorptions are simple additions. If that were true than by all accounts Boo shouldn't be confident about taking on a hypothetical Gogeta and Vegetto would have no need to transform into SS to fight Boohan in the manga.
@@yamato9753mhhhhh I dont think they do if it like cell saga versions especially since they don't have multipers Make you can argue neo tri beam can make up for it but I don't see them beating perfect cell much less super perfect cell
@gameuniverse5973 I mean, depends on when we are talking about. Cell saga Tien and Yamcha? Yeah, Tiencha gets cooked. TOP Tien and Yamcha? Another story entirely.
@yamato9753 funny enough in the anime, Buu saga Yamcha fights Olibu and wins. Olibu is the guy who fought Pikkon and put up a decent fight, putting Yamcha at that tier. Pikkon casually one shotted super perfect Cell, so if you use the anime specifically that fusion would unironically be BUSTED lol. Especially considering Tien is almost always considered superior to Yamcha (Especially in DBS)
6:08 most guides state it's tens or dozens of times. Vados, in the dub, also says the potara boost makes a tens of times boost. In the Japanese, according to the subtitles, it was dozens. Only one guide states it's A×B.
Ima go out on a limb and say than base goku IS NOT stronger than his fight with Cell; in the anime version yeah there's an argument but Gokus base was >Gohan (vs Cell) divided by 100 based off what Vegeta said
Okay so you're using the non cannon supplement. A×B and not the cannon from the mouth of Univers 6's Angel (A+B)×X10 where X is variable based on the personalities because?
Wouldnt Goku's power not actually grow by 7-8x by your own logic, though? If power levels are exponential earlier on (before high 100s lets say), then a hypothetical power level of 8 from a completely linear power level system would be much higher than a power level of 8 from the actual system? In other words, imagine a power level of 8,000; at this point it's linear, right? If you go backwards LINEARLY to a power level of 8, that power would be higher than an actual power level of 8, since the distance in actual strength between power levels would be much larger earlier on. Therefore, Goku's power increase would be far less from the fusion. I'd imagine if you went by a fully linear scale, Gokule might not even get over 1.1x stronger than Goku 🤷.
Honestly if Pilaf gang in the first db as 20 to 40 pp with no super mecha make me think Mr Satan power level would be more then just around 7/8 maybe even 50 or more
To say that Potara fusion is a power level multiplied by a power level, is stupid. What's an appele multiplied by an appel ? Multiplication can only be done by multiplying an object (in our case power level) by an abstract number, or 2 numbers, you can't multiply an object by an object. If you consider power level a number, which is not, but let's do it for the sake of the argument, then why use 1 unit of power level ? Why not another unit? Let's use 1 unit = 1 Base Goku PL, and assume Hercule PL is 0.000002 Base Goku PL, then doing the stupid multiplication Gokule base will be 0,000002 Base Goku PL, in other words Gokule = Hercule Now let's do the opposite, 1 unit = 1 Hercule PL, and assume Goku's base is 375,000 Hercule PL, then doing the stupid multiplication Gokule base will be 375,000 Hercule PL, in other words Gokule = Goku. You can change the unit and every time you'll have a different result, it's just wrong. If you think it's not, then again i ask : What's an appele multiplied by an appel ? The correct way to find the potara fusion multiplier is by power scaling from Buuhan
Goku would make Hercule weaker.
Exactly. Goku denied hercule joining the TOP bc he wanted a challenge not a carry 😂
GREAT LONK'S TAKES DRAGON BALL HOW STRONG 💪 IS GOKULE.
If Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura were in dbz from saiyan saga to super hero arc basically kids to an adult, how strong would they get if they learned ki
Facts!
Reminder that mr satan would be a mid-high tier character with basically infinite durability in baki 😂😂😂
ew
His gaslighting power would surpass the narrator, making all his lies and bluffs true.
hes already a extreme tier character with infinite durability in dragon ball
@@Chronostrideshe is the world champ after all
Nah buuhans a fraud
He inherited Gohan's fraudulence
Bro it not super buu fault
Still beats Kid Buu.
No
I mean, this just shows how busted Super Sayan multipliers truly are.
You never tussle with the muscle of the legendary world champion MR. Satan
It would be so funny to see Goku and Hercule working together inside Buu.
EXCELLENT LONK'S TAKES WORK.
Inside buu?
@BrandonScott-mi5pz ... you're giving me bot vibes...
They aren’t ready for the World Champ difference! 💯
Gokule destroys Zeno easily
How Strong is Tiencha? I know he's not technically Cannon but it's still fascinating thing to understand even though it only appears in one video game well multiple if you count other games
2:18 - its not controversial at all, he's no where near ultimate gohan and there's absolutely nothing concrete that suggests otherwise. goku states they can't fight super buu "like this" referring to being unfused, this is in the context of a conversation with vegeta about fusing again. where the heck are you getting this whole 'he thought they'd be tiny' nonsense from? he is directly stating that without fusing they cannot fight super buu even with the two of them, there is no ambiguity here.
I couldn't even finish the video. The level of ass pullery is insane
Suck it up ssj3 goku> gohan
Lonk has been on this Goku/Kid Buu > Gohan BS for years. His justification for it is basically just a few irrelevant hyperbole statements from the narrator of Z
Regardless Gokule still slams since Buuhan is only 2x Gohan while if we Assume Gohan is twice as strong as SSJ3 Goku, Gokuule is still 25x stronger than Buuhan
1) Goku wasn’t afraid of super buu because the same Goku, if not weaker, was ready to fight buutenks 💀. Unless u want to say super buu> buutenks
2) Goku was afraid he would have to fight super buu while still being nerfed to 1/100th of his power. That’s why he said we can’t fight super buu like THIS. Mentioning their size and strength
3) you’re fighting a wall here because we have countless guides that call Goku the strongest even when ultimate gohan was alive
4) Goku de-transforms in front of buucollo, someone yet again STRONGER THAN BASE SUPER BUU 💀.
5) the anime makes it even worse for our favorite Z fighters when ss Goku one shots ultimate gohan 😭
6) have I mentioned the daizenshuu, a guide that toriyama said wields more knowledge of dragon ball than himself, said Goku was the strongest not once but 3 times??? ALL WHILE ULTIMATE GOHAN WAS ALIVE???
Tbh Hercules with Zenkai is a monster to not be messed with.
I think it's safe to say that Gokule would fold both Vegito and Gogeta rather easily.
Would love to see a similar video for another popular what if fusion... How strong would Tiencha be? Could a hypothetical 22nd Budokai Tiencha stop the Saiyan invasion? Could a Saiyan arc Tiencha save Namek from Freeza? Etc.
@@daymianhogue1634 22nd budokai tiencha would be like nappa level at best
@SleepLessThan3 Tien at the time was 180, and we lack any official number for Yamcha but even assuming he's just 100... That'd put that arc Tiencha at 18,000 same as Vegeta... And that's probably a low ball for 22nd Yamcha since, as Lonk pointed out in this video lower power levels aren't linear. So even if significantly weaker than Tien or Roshi like Yamcha was, their numbers would be deceptively close unless you think PL 5 Farmer, was actually 1/20th of Moon level PL 180 Roshi... Or half of Goku from start of series with his PL 10 that was building level and such.
@daymianhogue1634 the problem with AxB is that elder kai told goku that he could just go super saiyan after fusing. If 2 people with a power level of 10 fuse, then by AxB the fusion would have a power level of 100, and then would be at 5k with super saiyan. However, if each person went super saiyan first and then fused, the resulting fusion would have a power level of 250000 (500x500), which would be an extra super saiyan boost. Also by the AxB logic, fusing with someone who has a power level below 1 (if you're using something like the kili scale, basically everyone before the namek arc is below 1 since supposedly base buu saga goku > shin > frieza) would make you weaker.
People who thinks goku is close to ultimate gohan in 2024 has me confused. In the manga not the anime
He's not even stronger in the anime
why would goku be stronger post fusion? Kid buu was weaker than super buu wasn't he?
I miss Gokule,But mad their outfits didn't mix like vegito smh,And I wanna see him ssj3 with either dreads or braids,Imagine if old kai awakened hercules true real potential and THEN they fused.
Now you definitely have to cover if he fused with Dende, I always wondered what sort of mystical abilities Denku would h8
Uhhhhhhhh-
I wonder if Gokule could transform into a Super Saiyan though. Goku himself mentions that Hercule’s lack of ki could do more harm than help. Great video though, very insightful, I loved it!
Regardless of how strong he actually would be, Gokule would at least be stronger than Goku, despite the saiyan's worries. Potara adds the fusees together than multiplies. It just wouldn't be as *efficient* a fusion as with 'geets, rival boost aside.
This just shows how busted potara is
yeah, it's insane what a buff hercule got from that weakling goku.
The real question, how strong would Hercule become after getting the fusion buff
well if it ain't the jjk what if man himself. Hi.
yamcha tier immedietly
@@IchigoKurosaki911Yamcha wish’s he was in the same tier as Mr Satan lol
@@yexe9129 yoooo
He wouldn't get any stronger. The "fusion buff" that Lonk made up in this video literally doesn't exist
Gokule would be Pan's grandfather twice. Not sure why I felt the need to mention it, but thought it was funny.
gokule would also be a hybrid Saiyan which could make him even stronger then stated in the video
My 11 year old mind was broken when I first learned of Gokule playing Budokai 2. I grinded early 2000's no internet style to get that fusion and when I obtained it, it was greater than I could of ever imagined and thought that was the peak of Dragon Ball gaming... I was right 😂
Great video!
SO GOKULE DOMINATES THEN
The real question is, could SSJ3 Gokyule's aphro just get bigger? Or get longer?
If some of the normal first tournament fighters from dragon ball had a power level of around 100 (Nam, Ranfan, Bacterian) and Hercule is actually a champion. I’d say he should be closer to that.
unironically gokule would slam kid buu
I think both of them being World Champions should qualify them for the rivalry boost
The whole "A times B" thing is so stupid, power levels are arbitrary even in universe. They aren't some actual universal way of measurement, someone just decided to say that "Yeah this amount of power is what we'll call a 1" and went from there. There are even alternative ways of measuring power, Kili is what demons use instead of Power Levels where 1 Kili is about 50,000 Power Levels. If fusion is really A x B then what method of measurement is it using? Both Power Levels and Kili are arbitrary, so there's no reason for it to work based on those, and depending on how much energy you consider "1 unit" drastically changes how powerful an A x B multiplier would be.
In DBS we get a much more reasonable multiplier for Fusion, being "A + B Multiplied tens of times over". That actually does work and doesn't rely on arbitrary measurement systems.
😭 bro this is such a goofy ahh topic
I cooked tho
@ you did 😎
Madara Uchiha and Nipple Face Hashirama are the most powerful fusion in fiction
????
@@lonkstakesnaruto reference
Indeed you're right
@@lonkstakesall I know is that for some reason Madara had his lover-I mean best friend Hashirama’s face on his nipple area
@@bigyoshi5170 it's plot nonsense
(saiyan saga ) Vegito
Goku= 8,000
Vegeta= 18,000
18,000× 8,000 = 144,000,000
Base Vegito= 144,000,000
Jokes aside, I think it’s pretty funny that he still beats him even if he didn’t come back
Vados said in the tournament of power that the power of kefla is caulifla fp plus kale fp times ten, so potara fusion formula is (A+B) X 10
And that consider the full power of the people fusing because we are show that base fusion is stronger than the two fusing
She said "tens of times" in the dub and "dozens of times" in the Japanese. Meaning multiple tens or dozens. Meaning at least 20 or 24.
@he_who_has_no_name So Dub Kefla gets defeated by Sub Kefla because of the localization mistake for Vados? 😂
@@he_who_has_no_name i dont think that makes much sense since she would be absurdly strong in that way
6:18 it was retconed in the top where vados said its sum of bot warriors max and multiple by tens of flods
Goku is the earths hero and Satan is the earths hero. This man would be OP
Hercule power level around:6.5-8 max
too low.
@kubanrhs1310 it could be higher way higher
@@powerlevelvlog1089 real talk mr satan prob beats king chappa and nam
Stop under estimating the goat! 🗣️
@@Mystic_Magirano my bad y'all Hercules Satan Mark is him y'all
"Here's something to remember me by"
Gokule should be in more DBZ games.
2 Champions fusing I expected nothing less
We really need to stop using guides to scale characters. Just take the manga as it is and use guides when they support the manga, not contradict it, or create statements that never existed in the manga. That part where you claim that Goku meant that he was tiny and didn't know he'd grow back is directly contradicted by the next chapter where Goku tries to blow a hole on Buu's head and he's surprised that it didn't work. It took Buu telling Goku that he's the size of a flea, so his attacks aren't much. Goku never realised being small did anything. When Goku said he'll kill us if we went out like this, he meant unfused. When Vegeta broke the potara, it was Goku he chastised him for it. For goodness sake, Goku suggests fusion to deal with Buu in the next panel. You're horribly wrong on this.
Edit: oh my God, there's more proof you're wrong on the dame panel you presented where Goku says that Buu is still stronger despite removing everyone from him. Rethink your stance because you're actively spreading misinformation.
Not reading allat but you can join my discord server if you think im "spreading misinformation" lol
How many analog horror entities couls Gokule beat?
all of them, hercule solos fiction, alt dimensions, real life, transcendental real life, and everything else too.
I’d like to see a Vegito vs Gokhan full vid on who’s stronger
HERES SOMETHING TO REMEMBER ME BY!
Based off your scaling of gohan and goku I would be interested to hear your thoughts on buutenks vs Kid buu
By how people are running with Goku over Gohan now
Kid buu would beat the daylights out of buutenks then since ss3 Goku is shown throwing hands with him in the anime
same as buuhan debate,kid buu is literally just crazier and more unhinged so he's more destructive but any form of kid buu that has someone absorbed,like Super buu for example is stronger and will beat kid vuu
@@mega-dragoooon942 nah Goku stated the strongest in guides and even the manga with anime even supporting this even more
There also literally a v jump magazine saying Buu saga ss3 Goku over Buuhan
Which means kid buu who around that Goku level just wins
@@mega-dragoooon942 there also a manga panel saying if Goku fails that the universe is doomed this is when Gohan and ss3 gottenks was alive
buutenks beats him BAD
Well, you kind of forgot vados words with the fusion multiplier or akira toriyama and Toyota Toro said about the fusions as well metamorans and potara
This is why you can't take power scalers seriously. Gohan is literally AT LEAST 8x stronger than SSJ3 Goku by your own sources, but you've chosen to forego anything against your points here, conveniently. Your napkin math and nonsense rationalizations of non-canon supplementary material are cringe as hell.
The power level multiplication thing makes no sense. That means that if Goku and Vegeta both had a power level of 1 mil and fused with potara, Vegito would be 1 million times stronger than either Goku or Vegeta alone. There is no way it is that much of a multiplier lol
I hate the fact that people thinks goku doesn't get stronger after the fat buu fight
Goku beats Gohan womp womp
Ain't going to lie Goku beating Gohan is the new month cycle of cabba vs ss4 Gogeta
With me saying the least popular choice does win
I wonder what the next one kid buu vs super buu or copy Vegeta vs Omega shenron
Maybe SSG Goku vs ss4 Goku
Goku doesn't get zenkais in the Buu saga. Buutenks stated that post healing Gohan didn't get any stronger which implies that zenkais are no longer a thing after a certain point. In DBS trunks reiterates that point.
Vegeta getting a zenkai doesn't contradict anything since he's weaker than gohan
@@ojpickle5923 Goku literally getting a zenkai in the top since he went from omen one doing nothing which is stronger than blue 20 to base blue doing better against a more trying Jiren which is shown since Jiren said base blue Vegeta final flash is the most impressive thing he seen in the tourney which means over ss2 kefla who in just ss1 is said above the uni 7 sprirt bomb which is stronger than SSB kk20 Goku
not rn
@@gameuniverse5973 That's anime only. It doesn't apply to the manga version of DBS. It's also just him getting stronger mid fight, not from near death recovery. Nappa does that in the Saiyan saga. That's not a zenkai. Even if you want to call it a zenkai, that's a anime super only recon. Doesn't apply when talking about GT, DBS manga, or "z only" arguments
100% faxx w video
Strong enough to solo most of anime
I'm sorry but that Goku scaling is way out of whack. Going by canon, Dabura is as strong as Cell and he is explicitly shown to not be worried about regular SS Goku. And when they fight as SS2's, Vegeta explicitly says they're stronger than SS2 Teen Gohan in a way that suggests they're only moderately stronger.
Dabura is stronger than Cell and Cell doesnt scale to Gohan's true power, there is no contradiction.
@@lonkstakes Goku explicitly says Dabura is about even with Cell. How SS2 Teen Gohan and SP Cell scale exactly is somewhat open to debate and interpretation, but they're at least relative as shown by the intensity of their beam struggle- where Gohan still received assist from Vegeta and, only in the anime, the other Z fighters.
He said goku was hitting ultimate gohan level nope absolutely not
His PL is only 7 by Frieza force units. Who says Potora uses those units? By babidis Kili units Hercule would likely be a decimal number. There's no proof that Potora is using Frieza force units. Assigning a number is pure fanfic
Vados even states that keflas fusion only made them "tens of times stronger" so Frieza force units probably weren't being used since their number would have been higher. Since we can't determine the units, we can't say how strong the multiplier would be
Yo lonk when will you going to live stream
Got no streaming plans rn. 50k milestone maybe?
@@lonkstakes (saiyan saga ) Vegito
Goku= 8,000
Vegeta= 18,000
18,000×8,000 = 144,000,000
Base Vegito= 144,000,000
@@lonkstakes(saiyan saga ) Vegito
Goku= 8,000
Vegeta= 18,000
8,000+18,000×100 =2,600,000
Base Vegito= =2,600,000
So unironicly he slams
Please do "Could Sportacus Stop The Saiyans?"
Hope you powerscale EoZ Goku post super
Bro is living proof that Dragon ball fans know nothing about their series.
I disagree ss3 Goku was that close to ultimate Gohan. The narrative doesn't support that imo
Only Mr PoPo can defeat Hercule
I just feel like fusion is not actually straightforward at all
Seeing how Hercule is a human and not a Saiyan would that prevent the hypothetical Gokule fusion to go ssj 1, 2 and 3?
Bro goffy ahh topic 😭😭😭
There's alot wrong with this video especially fusion
Vados literally said potara is
The full power of both fighters X 10s of times in super regarding kefla
Example
A(25) + B(25)= C(50) x D(50x/99x) = (E)2500/4950
D =10s of times, we have no cannon exact Multipliers
Not disagreeing with your logic that Goku post fusion is stronger than Ultimate Gohan, but I am curious as to where in the anime/manga that’s stated or implied. I know they never directly compared the two so I’m just curious
@@S0l0117 manga evidence:says if Goku fails that the universe is doomed when Gohan and ss3 gottenks are alive
Guide evidence:one says Goku was the strongest warrior in the universe,goku is over the power of the sprirt bomb which has ultimate Gohan plus other powers,v jump says Buu saga Goku over Buuhan
Anime evidence:Goku can fight ultimate Gohan clone inside buu body it stated in the guide there as strong as the original
Goku can throw hands with buutenks and blitz him same one that rip Gohan in half
There probably way more but this is what I can think of on the top of my head
@ appreciate it my man thank you! Gotta reread the manga buu arc that’s honestly dope goku was always that guy 🤝love ultimate gohan but goku definitely deserves the universe strongest over him
Would Goku reviving count as a zenkai boost?
Edit: Really? Huh, that's neat.
In the anime, yes
no, because if that was the case Vegeta would have gotten stronger after being revived and he didn't.
@@AuraBerserkerI mean you can make the argument yes since he took way more hits than he did as Majin Vegeta against a stronger Buu
@@gameuniverse5973 if he did get a zenkai it wasn’t by much.
Could he beat popeye thought?
Can Gokule beat Springtrap?
tbh vados (from DBS) says that fusion is some of the parts and then multiplyed tens of times (DBS EP: 114 19:51)
“Their power increases tens of times” isn’t necessarily the actual effect, but the result of the stated AxB.
@@lonkstakesThe fact it's only Tens of times is more proof that Potora isn't using Frieza force units to measure PL. Other units like babidis Kili exist. We can't say how strong the fusion would be
Also now what if he fused with Dende instead?
Okay but could Gokule as a half Saiyan (?) be able to transform?
Now do Tiencha
Please do sm with Dandandan
But what about Vegetillo?
2:56 says Vegeta was the one who got stronger not Goku
I LOVE fusions
All I got from this is that I want an updated version of your old SSJ3 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan video. The small bits of evidence provided in this video for Goku is crazy and completely changed my mind on the topic.
Damn fr? Maybe I should update it lol
im sorry but Mr Satan could pull 4 busses...so he is atlest 25 to 50...yes I'm saying he is stro nger than goku at the start of DB
Mr Satan is Peak non Ki user Human...he could have beaten everyone but roshi in the first 2 tournaments
Do we even know what a 1 is for portara fusion?
I think a video on the post fusion multiplier/boost would be interesting. Just how much stronger did Goku and Vegeta get after defusing?
I think the problem here is the power you gave Goku. The scene you're showing here 1:44 shows Kaioshin surprised by Goku, yes; but after he used SS2 and *that's* when he was stronger than his SS from the Cell saga, not his base form.
Also, I don't remember if this is canon, but when Majin Vegeta was fighting Buu, Piccolo mentions Vegeta was slightly more powerful than SS2 Gohan from Cell saga. Using this, and seeing Goku and Vegeta fighting at the same level as SS2, then there's no way base Goku in Buu saga is stronger than his SS from the cell games
I propose you a video: Jirobai vs Roronoa Zoro
I only know who one of those guys is
@ Yajirobei?
unironically prefer this LMAO
You should do a video on Yu-Gi-Oh!
I disagree when it comes to Boo's absorptions. I don't think Boo's absorptions are simple additions. If that were true than by all accounts Boo shouldn't be confident about taking on a hypothetical Gogeta and Vegetto would have no need to transform into SS to fight Boohan in the manga.
438 views In 20 minutes bro fell off
This is true actually
Will you ever do a Video on Tiencha? That Fusion should solo at least Cell.
Prolly not, if people don’t rock with this video
@lonkstakes Alright. But thanks for answering my Question anyway!
@@yamato9753mhhhhh I dont think they do if it like cell saga versions especially since they don't have multipers
Make you can argue neo tri beam can make up for it but I don't see them beating perfect cell much less super perfect cell
@gameuniverse5973 I mean, depends on when we are talking about.
Cell saga Tien and Yamcha? Yeah, Tiencha gets cooked.
TOP Tien and Yamcha? Another story entirely.
@yamato9753 funny enough in the anime, Buu saga Yamcha fights Olibu and wins. Olibu is the guy who fought Pikkon and put up a decent fight, putting Yamcha at that tier. Pikkon casually one shotted super perfect Cell, so if you use the anime specifically that fusion would unironically be BUSTED lol. Especially considering Tien is almost always considered superior to Yamcha (Especially in DBS)
He should have just fused with Dende at that point since he is way more powerful than Mr. Satan.
6:08 most guides state it's tens or dozens of times. Vados, in the dub, also says the potara boost makes a tens of times boost. In the Japanese, according to the subtitles, it was dozens. Only one guide states it's A×B.
Ima go out on a limb and say than base goku IS NOT stronger than his fight with Cell; in the anime version yeah there's an argument but Gokus base was >Gohan (vs Cell) divided by 100 based off what Vegeta said
Okay so you're using the non cannon supplement. A×B and not the cannon from the mouth of Univers 6's Angel (A+B)×X10 where X is variable based on the personalities because?
Lmao
Wouldnt Goku's power not actually grow by 7-8x by your own logic, though? If power levels are exponential earlier on (before high 100s lets say), then a hypothetical power level of 8 from a completely linear power level system would be much higher than a power level of 8 from the actual system?
In other words, imagine a power level of 8,000; at this point it's linear, right? If you go backwards LINEARLY to a power level of 8, that power would be higher than an actual power level of 8, since the distance in actual strength between power levels would be much larger earlier on. Therefore, Goku's power increase would be far less from the fusion. I'd imagine if you went by a fully linear scale, Gokule might not even get over 1.1x stronger than Goku 🤷.
Wouldn't Hercule being a coward just make him weaker?
Honestly if Pilaf gang in the first db as 20 to 40 pp with no super mecha make me think Mr Satan power level would be more then just around 7/8 maybe even 50 or more
To say that Potara fusion is a power level multiplied by a power level, is stupid. What's an appele multiplied by an appel ?
Multiplication can only be done by multiplying an object (in our case power level) by an abstract number, or 2 numbers, you can't multiply an object by an object.
If you consider power level a number, which is not, but let's do it for the sake of the argument, then why use 1 unit of power level ? Why not another unit? Let's use 1 unit = 1 Base Goku PL, and assume Hercule PL is 0.000002 Base Goku PL, then doing the stupid multiplication Gokule base will be 0,000002 Base Goku PL, in other words Gokule = Hercule
Now let's do the opposite, 1 unit = 1 Hercule PL, and assume Goku's base is 375,000 Hercule PL, then doing the stupid multiplication Gokule base will be 375,000 Hercule PL, in other words Gokule = Goku.
You can change the unit and every time you'll have a different result, it's just wrong. If you think it's not, then again i ask : What's an appele multiplied by an appel ?
The correct way to find the potara fusion multiplier is by power scaling from Buuhan
Ok but what about goku and dende 🤑🤑