The carry requirement is honestly an undershoot when you consider the Doomsday Apparatus, a 1 kg dumbbell, requires 1,000 Pikmin. So, assuming the average person is 70 kg, it would require 70,000 Pikmin (or 7,000 purple Pikmin) to carry you! The Golden Vaulting Table reinforces this in Pikmin 4 as well, as it is also explicitly labeled as 1kg and also requires exactly 1000 carry weight.
I literally laughed reading this because I had this exact same thought when I was trying to determine Pikmin strength, and it was one of the first things that led me down a rabbit hole to madness. Great minds think alike! See that's the tough thing, carrying strength varies massively by each game and each object. If the true strength of Pikmin were 1g (as is the case for the Doomsday Apparatus at 1kg) then it would take anywhere from 150 to 250 to carry an apple, but in the games it's only 10. So while the Doomsday Apparatus represents the extreme low end of Pikmin strength there are other instances that show Pikmin carrying a lot more. When I discovered this that's when I abandoned trying to find the true Pikmin carrying strength because it fluctuates so wildly between games and even within each game. While the idea of a 1g creature picking up 20g isn't always accurate in the games, I think it's a fair average given the wide variation seen across different objects.
Even if you consider the entire surface area of a person, the pikmin can't even use a third of that as they can only support what is under ≈0.65 inches off of the ground. The only way you could get enough pikmin to carry you specifically is if you were already on a flat board of a certain size not including the flex in the material.
@@bungeetoons Right, that's another big assumption made. Obviously the Pikmin wouldn't be able to carry you from every square inch of your body, and in all reality none of them really lift from below, they always go around the circumference of what they're carrying.
I feel like, in almost any case where a Pikmen enters your body, your body’s natural defenses would stop or at least fight it. If a Pikmen winds up in your stomach, the acid would break it down, etc
It is criminal for this to not have the views. Gosh dang UA-cam. I loved it! Those dastardly Pikmin. This question has been on my mind for years! The Kerbal music during the math is a good touch. Oh, glad your butt stuff went well too.
Thanks! I've had a million colonoscopies because I'm at high risk of colon cancer. I'm unwittingly an expert in the process now, but thank God the switch exists to make it easier when you're stuck on the can.
I think their ability to beat something to death requires some artistic liberty just like their carrying capacity. Like someone else said, two items with actual weights make it seem like 1 gram per pikmin but other items make it clear that isn't consistent. If you try to apply human headbutting to pikmin would be like trying to apply human carrying capacity to them. If they only applied that much force, they wouldn't be able to kill anything with their headbutts or destroy walls, so I think your best bet would be to look at how easy they can kill the bigger enemies in the series and multiply that.
I think this is a solid point. The .3N number is, at best, an estimate. They could be stronger or weaker, however, like with the carrying capacity, I feel like it's a solid average that gives us a decent idea of their power. The fact that a lot of these numbers change game to game makes it impossible to figure out specifics, but I think in general my numbers are pretty close.
What speed did you use for terminal velocity? Since terminal velocity is determined by the drag of a falling object in relation to their mass it would basically make it impossible for it to take 1,500ft for them to reach their terminal velocity. I mean just look at a feather. a feather can easily reach it's terminal velocity within a couple of inch's. and since Pikmin have leafy head which would cause a LOT of drag, I wouldn't expect their terminal velocity to be a lot more then 50km/h.
Yeah you hit on something very important that made me quickly abandon the Pikmin boulder as something that could hurt you. I used a falling human as something reaching terminal velocity in 1.5k ft, but as you mentioned, drag is a bit issue here. Since a Pikmin is so light it's terminal velocity would be reached a lot sooner, hypothetically, and it wouldn't be that dangerous at all. My assumption, which may be wrong, was the amount of Pikmin falling at terminal velocity when accounting for drag would be so big that it would be near impossible for them to do damage to you. I looked it up for ants and ChatGPT said 110,000 would have to be in a clump to exert that much force but it fails to take into account drag, so that idea of a Pikmin boulder hurting you is nil.
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Yeah I have to say I am really satisfied with Pikmin 4. It took me a good 30 or 40 hours to 100% it but they really expanded on the formula well and it's my favorite of the series.
Whether it makes the difference in killing or not, why did you ignore that red pikmin have an advantage in their nose-like spikes? They wouldn't be trying to slap you so much as trying to stab you.
@@pancakesean6888, oh please. I calculated the ratio of planet masses and the masses of their moons to find that Pluto and Earth are the weird objects by hand. That's one of the more normal math things I've done purely due to boredom. You said numerous times that you had ai handle the math. It could've handled a little bit more.
Chat GPT is notoriously bad at math. Ask it what's bigger between 2.11 and 2.9, it'll get it wrong half the times. It'll change its mind if you tell it to too. WolframAlpha does work for these kind of things, and it's been there for years.
I thought about doing a calculation on how many Pikmin could be made from your body by weighing different creatures and comparing what their Pikmin return was but by the time I finished all my other calculations I was spent.
Mentioned in another comment but I checked the math with Wolfram Alpha. I was too stupid to consider using a different tool until after I recorded my audio and was midway through editing but I can say that I checked against Wolfram and my own calculations and there was minimal difference. It doesn't help I'm terrible at math! If you find different calculations let me know, always happy to add an asterisks to all of this if my numbers are wildly off.
Finally! I've been wondering how afraid I should have been since Pikmin 1 and now my midnight panic attacks are retroactively validated. Thanks! :)
Sorry I couldn't put your fat body in for comparison. I had already finished recording dialogue when you suggested I use your girth for hilarity
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I'll cultivate mass for your next release.
The carry requirement is honestly an undershoot when you consider the Doomsday Apparatus, a 1 kg dumbbell, requires 1,000 Pikmin. So, assuming the average person is 70 kg, it would require 70,000 Pikmin (or 7,000 purple Pikmin) to carry you!
The Golden Vaulting Table reinforces this in Pikmin 4 as well, as it is also explicitly labeled as 1kg and also requires exactly 1000 carry weight.
I literally laughed reading this because I had this exact same thought when I was trying to determine Pikmin strength, and it was one of the first things that led me down a rabbit hole to madness. Great minds think alike!
See that's the tough thing, carrying strength varies massively by each game and each object. If the true strength of Pikmin were 1g (as is the case for the Doomsday Apparatus at 1kg) then it would take anywhere from 150 to 250 to carry an apple, but in the games it's only 10. So while the Doomsday Apparatus represents the extreme low end of Pikmin strength there are other instances that show Pikmin carrying a lot more.
When I discovered this that's when I abandoned trying to find the true Pikmin carrying strength because it fluctuates so wildly between games and even within each game. While the idea of a 1g creature picking up 20g isn't always accurate in the games, I think it's a fair average given the wide variation seen across different objects.
Even if you consider the entire surface area of a person, the pikmin can't even use a third of that as they can only support what is under ≈0.65 inches off of the ground. The only way you could get enough pikmin to carry you specifically is if you were already on a flat board of a certain size not including the flex in the material.
@@bungeetoons Right, that's another big assumption made. Obviously the Pikmin wouldn't be able to carry you from every square inch of your body, and in all reality none of them really lift from below, they always go around the circumference of what they're carrying.
Now for the real heavy hitter: how many hocatatians would it take to pummel you to death?
Please don't make me do more math
I feel like, in almost any case where a Pikmen enters your body, your body’s natural defenses would stop or at least fight it. If a Pikmen winds up in your stomach, the acid would break it down, etc
Parasites exist in humans too, this is probably the most likely attack vector for pikmin
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Wrong, actually, if determined enough it could be just 1.
Only 5 minutes in and glad I gave this video a chance! I can tell you put in tons of effort -- really enjoying this! Here's an algorithm boost!
It is criminal for this to not have the views. Gosh dang UA-cam. I loved it! Those dastardly Pikmin. This question has been on my mind for years! The Kerbal music during the math is a good touch. Oh, glad your butt stuff went well too.
Thanks! I've had a million colonoscopies because I'm at high risk of colon cancer. I'm unwittingly an expert in the process now, but thank God the switch exists to make it easier when you're stuck on the can.
I think their ability to beat something to death requires some artistic liberty just like their carrying capacity. Like someone else said, two items with actual weights make it seem like 1 gram per pikmin but other items make it clear that isn't consistent.
If you try to apply human headbutting to pikmin would be like trying to apply human carrying capacity to them. If they only applied that much force, they wouldn't be able to kill anything with their headbutts or destroy walls, so I think your best bet would be to look at how easy they can kill the bigger enemies in the series and multiply that.
I think this is a solid point. The .3N number is, at best, an estimate. They could be stronger or weaker, however, like with the carrying capacity, I feel like it's a solid average that gives us a decent idea of their power.
The fact that a lot of these numbers change game to game makes it impossible to figure out specifics, but I think in general my numbers are pretty close.
What speed did you use for terminal velocity? Since terminal velocity is determined by the drag of a falling object in relation to their mass it would basically make it impossible for it to take 1,500ft for them to reach their terminal velocity.
I mean just look at a feather. a feather can easily reach it's terminal velocity within a couple of inch's. and since Pikmin have leafy head which would cause a LOT of drag, I wouldn't expect their terminal velocity to be a lot more then 50km/h.
Yeah you hit on something very important that made me quickly abandon the Pikmin boulder as something that could hurt you. I used a falling human as something reaching terminal velocity in 1.5k ft, but as you mentioned, drag is a bit issue here.
Since a Pikmin is so light it's terminal velocity would be reached a lot sooner, hypothetically, and it wouldn't be that dangerous at all. My assumption, which may be wrong, was the amount of Pikmin falling at terminal velocity when accounting for drag would be so big that it would be near impossible for them to do damage to you. I looked it up for ants and ChatGPT said 110,000 would have to be in a clump to exert that much force but it fails to take into account drag, so that idea of a Pikmin boulder hurting you is nil.
@@pancakesean6888 its the same thing for almost all insects, they cant be harmed by falling because their terminal velocity is just so low
genuinely stunned this is from such a small channel with such a small viewcount, awesome video. additionally, as a human(?) woman, it pleased me.
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absolute amazing content thank u for this
im so glad that niche nintendo franchises have had the limelight, like XC2 in smash with XC3 round the corner, and pikmin 4 dropping in general.
Yeah I have to say I am really satisfied with Pikmin 4. It took me a good 30 or 40 hours to 100% it but they really expanded on the formula well and it's my favorite of the series.
this was an amazing video thank you !
Ok but now, how many ice pikmin would it take to freeze someone to death?
Hard to say, they inflict video game freezing, whitch leaves the HP alone
Whether it makes the difference in killing or not, why did you ignore that red pikmin have an advantage in their nose-like spikes? They wouldn't be trying to slap you so much as trying to stab you.
I already lost my mind enough. Don't make me do more math please
@@pancakesean6888, oh please. I calculated the ratio of planet masses and the masses of their moons to find that Pluto and Earth are the weird objects by hand. That's one of the more normal math things I've done purely due to boredom. You said numerous times that you had ai handle the math. It could've handled a little bit more.
Chat GPT is notoriously bad at math. Ask it what's bigger between 2.11 and 2.9, it'll get it wrong half the times. It'll change its mind if you tell it to too.
WolframAlpha does work for these kind of things, and it's been there for years.
Here before this pops off
Was really enjoying this video until you said you use chatgpt :(
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You have my attention
Pixels can't be converted to real length units, as their measurements are dependent on screen resolution and screen size.
Good title good video
Why would you ask ChatGPT? It's famously bad at math. And at anything else factual. I was gonna subscribe, but that made me decide not to.
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I haven't watched the video yet but if he actually did ask chatgpt it was simply idiotic of him
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If pikmin were actualy going to attack you i think rock pikmin would have the best chance
Great video! Could use less chatgpt.
A giant purple pikmin can crush your skull!
A better question, How much Sparklium am I worth?
I thought about doing a calculation on how many Pikmin could be made from your body by weighing different creatures and comparing what their Pikmin return was but by the time I finished all my other calculations I was spent.
help my wife was kidnapped by pikmin
Clicked off the moment i heard you say you asked ChatGPT for your information. Lazy research, and likely inaccurate.
Chatppt
I was having fun watching this video until you mentioned chatGPT :/
Mentioned in another comment but I checked the math with Wolfram Alpha. I was too stupid to consider using a different tool until after I recorded my audio and was midway through editing but I can say that I checked against Wolfram and my own calculations and there was minimal difference.
It doesn't help I'm terrible at math! If you find different calculations let me know, always happy to add an asterisks to all of this if my numbers are wildly off.
Imagine trusting chat gpt to do anything accurately
You sound exactly like jacksfilms and its messing me up