I can only speak as a queer person, but it infuriates me when people justify oppression with oppression. Using queer oppression to justify genocide is absurd. Its not a competition. We all have liberation or none of us do.
well under a "free palestine" no one will! yes you got some colors on a flag pole but a government beholden to imperialist terrorist organizations that are anti woman, anti lgbt, anti jew and anti freedom! YOU WIN!!
@@inconsistizzyyes and most of those queer Palestinians are seaking sanctuary in Israel. There's a whole documentary about it. On my old podcast I interviewed a Gay Palestinian a few years ago. Look it up. Watch the documentary. Educate yourself. On average there are thousands of gay Palestinians seeking sanctuary in Israel. Trying to flee for their life from Palestine because of how gay people are treated in Palestine.
It angers me when people use words like genocide so loosely and dont realise wich side actually wants to commit genocide its disrespectful to the hostages captured in gaza but also disrespectful to the word just doesnt have a meaning anymore
As a queer person from the Middle East I really appreciate you speaking on this. I do not give anyone permission to co-opt my oppression and weaponize it to harm me and my people. That is pure evil and I wholeheartedly reject it!
It really reminds me of the Iraq war propaganda we were subject too after 9/11. Like. Retaliating and declaring war on Afghanistan didn't solve any of those issues, it just killed people. Most of whom weren't the Taliban or Alqueda (I may have missed spelled that). And Osama was in a different country. So. It was bad. But the Iraq qar? Possibly lead to Isis. And had nothing to do with 9/11. We didn't level the Saudis even though they supposedly helped fund it. It didn't help relations with Iran. It may have mad so much shit worse. And for what? This was us solving terrorism? This was winning, and spreading democracy? Even comedians were pointing out this was bs. The irony of the Pride flag, or even the isreali one. Over rubble. Jewish people have been oppressed. Homosexuality is still illegal on a lot of law books. And yet, we can pretend those flags are standing for liberation... even though it's clearly standing on rubble. Like you guys say. Dead people don't get those rights. They're dead. This didn't fix anything. It's just rationalizing the crimes. Its using a giant war machine, of a country or state acting out of hurt, or delusional self preservation... rather than addressing what lead to the hurt or violence in the first place. Ending the occupation of Gaza and the west Bank could save isreali lives, too. But people don't care. Like. The mental gymnastics to say this helps queer Palestinians is absurd.
26:53 "He hasn't specifically said I support you" - that says it all. He is a gay man living in America. His family allegedly doesn't have a problem with him being gay because he lives abroad. If he were living in Gaza he would bring great shame on the family and probably would wind up dead due to honor killing.
Let's admit it. It has nothing to do with Palestine. Ur anti West. Ur anti freedom. Ur anti decent. Not pro Gaza. Ur against anything good. Bc ur stupid or evil.
You can't be trans AND nonbinary. First, trans doesn't exist in reality, it's just people playing pretend. But even if it was real, there are only two options. You people can't even get your made-up bullshit straight.
The pride flag being gleefully displayed in Gaza is so incredibly sick... How many LGBT Gazans are literally dead and buried in the rubble behind that guy?
@@user-ny1wo1vp9rMy God the fucking arrogance....why don't you go there. Go to Palestine with a GoPro on your head, livestream it, and wear a pride flag shirt. Announce aloud every 30 seconds. I would be impressed if you lasted one hour. It's terrible that shitty people harass and harm people in the United States. But at least queer people can have a life here in the USA. I want the fighting over there to stop. HAMAS is scum and the murder of the innocent is despicable.
We must not make perfection a requirement for advocacy because if we do, we will never change. No cause or advocate is perfect, but we strive to be better than we were. That is the only reasonable metric to hold anyone to. Great episode.
Who are 'we'? Gay people are not far-left tools, far-lest and far-right are the same. Israel is the only one gay friendly country in the Middle East. While homophobes of Gaza kill gays and sent to a prison.
The problem is you have less compassion for your fellow Americans who do things like disagree with gay marriage for religious reasons, and act like America is terrible and needs to have its systems dismantled, but have no problem propping up a Palestinian country that makes America look like a day at the beach for queer people by comparison. You and other Palestinian supporters are so brainwashed by media and propaganda that you actually think you're advocating for something good. Palestine deserves to be defeated. It's better for the world if Israel goes to war with them and take over the entire area. The world is much messier than the meat boxes you want them to fit in. The idea that these terror attacks are natural responses to so called oppression by Israel is literally parroting the talking points of organizations whose professed goal is to kill all Jews in the world, not just in Palestine and Israel. It blows my mind that this many of you can be this tragically wrong about something.
Idiotic. Asking not to be slaughtered on the spot for being LGBT, not muslim, not vying for the genocide of the Jewish people who are under occupation by the arab invaders, not wearing a thrashbag over your head, isn't asking for "perfection". May you travel to Gaza and find out the truth there.
I remember hearing a discussion about Eurovision - how Israel gets to participate and Palestine doesn't. The response was well what would Palestine send anyway (Bashar Murad for starters!). Silly example but some people can't even conceive of Palestinians producing art, music, comedy, poetry, philosophy. Same islamophobic and colonial thinking that has left so many indifferent to a genocide.
Actually, the reason why Palestine isn't in the Eurovision Song contest is that to participate, a country needs to follow a few criteria, mainly have a national public broadcaster that is a member of the European Broadcasting Union.
@@idogonen3075 it wasn't a conversation about the actual logistics of participating. I think it was an expression of the colonial idea that Palestine is a backwards place without a culture - in contrast with Israel and its "European values", it is not a place that could produce e.g. music, dance or comedy of any interest. Anyway, FREE PALESTINE.
Agreed, that's def a silly and ignorant sentiment. There are a multitude of reasons as to why it would be difficult, and maybe even a bad idea to include Palestine(like idk if we should put Bashar in that kind of danger lol, I love him too much) as a competitor at the moment, but entry wise they could just let the palestinian girls and gays figure it out and they'll get a good ESC entry.
@KattReen you've just said it yourself, these people are IN DANGER when their fellow Palestinians know who they really are. Just because you know some frilly gay western Palestinians who arent like that, you cannot excuse the rampant and murderous history of glaring human rights abuses aimed directly at gay people in that country. You literally proved all the skepticism of them to be correct and accurate, and you've done so with your own concerns. You people are just in denial.
As a muslim brown woman that is not a part of the LGBTQIA community, THANK YOU for your voice!! You are incredible and so very eloquent. You have a fan in me
@@mattpowell6291 yes and? I am always fascinated by the millions of assumptions people from the west have about brown people even though most of them have never stepped foot outside of their country lmao.
Speaking to homonationalism, as a black queer person, I've had mixed feelings even about the country my parents are from. In fact, especially where they are from. For me, it's seeing my family, extended family and Nigerian family friends be extremely homophobic and transphobic and just growing up knowing that there's this inherent hatred towards a big part of you. From the people who are supposed to love you. You can imagine my coming out wasn't the easiest thing. There are still some things that I hide from my parents. I've grown up wishing that I was white, for a multitude of reasons, but mainly because I've seen (apparently) how much better I could've been treated. And how many times I've been told that "we're not like the whites, we don't go by British standards" in terms of punishment and whatnot. I've associated a lot of the abuse and homophobia with my parents' home country. I can't even call it my own home country. I remember watching the episode in sex education where Eric goes to Nigeria and joins the queer scene and it blew my mind that there even would be one. I know gay Nigerians exist but, the idea that there's a queer community in Nigeria just feels so inaccessible to me. During my childhood, I found myself hating Nigerians. Not necessarily people who are ethnically Nigerian, but people who live in Nigeria. I hated the country. Even now I have mixed feelings about it. I've had less intense, but still mixed feelings of other African countries and the mixed feelings extend to other places where homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, etc is prevalent, with the exception of the west because it's where I grew up, in the UK I have at least some protections 😅 I can't get over the fact that if I took one step in any of those places, I would have all of those isms shoved in my face all at once and my life would be hell, if I would even get to live at all. It's good to put a word to these kinds of feelings- to understand where your biases and sometimes isms come from and how you can address them. Even so, while I've been affected by homonationalism, I can still see from a mile away that it's fucked up to claim progression with a pride flag over a freshly bombed area. I think you'd have to be pretty fucking delusional
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm somebody who is queer and I internalized I deserved rights, equal opportunity, and prosperity like cis straight people only after I moved to a country with better laws. It took years for me to even think I was deserving of those things. It pains me greatly that country has more than 500 anti-LGBT+ laws submitted this year. I am also proud that many activists are making sure these laws don't pass, year after year, while back home seems hopeless. I think it's important for people in the diasporas from countries with less protections to acknowledge our feelings like you did in this comment, and to also point out every time that just because we have this feelings, it is not acceptable to paint any country as retrograde, savages, uncivilized, and ultimately as a moral duty to murder their people's. Not because we would believe it, but because unfortunately the homonationalism and pink washing strategies will use our stories as reasons for destroying other people's. As many others have said, just because I lived through homophobia doesn't mean I condone the annihilation of a peoples and their children. Truly, oppressors can only see one path forward: to conquer or to be destroyed. And for many seeking liberation, we want the path of no destruction and no conquering.
@antonioscendrategattico2302 thanks for saying something as obvious as "the sun is bright", did you have a point? Or were you trying to use that to conflate hamas' death squads with Israeli tolerance of gays?
The photo of the rainbow flag in front of a an apocalyptic wasteland the UN secretary general called “a graveyard for children” is one of the most vile, perverse images I’ve ever seen
So many aspects are dystopian. I’ve been reading about the autonomous sentry guns the IDF use and use of AI to generate locations to target from the air. So much of the death has zero accountability. Who’s responsible when a child is shot by a robot for running up to a fence?
Not to mention that the ultra right that’s taken over the Israeli government is hardly into drag race. The finance minister Smotrich literally refers to himself as a fascist homophobe. Those are his own words. Try being out around the ultra orthodox and you’d be taking your life into your hands. They’re like an even more vicious KKK with nuclear weapons. Same-sex marriage isn’t even legal in Israel.
I lived in Saudi for 3 years as an Instructor at a university . I was so far in the closet (Genderqueer, Omnisexual, Demi-romantic) that I was in Narnia. It was not my favorite place. However, the number of conservative Westerners that would use the idea of their "civilized" countries being superior because of their queer rights while simultaneously arguing that places like the USA had "gone too far" was disgusting. Even if a place was scary to live for me doesn't mean I'm ever going to use that to justify violence against entire groups of people.
But if you had the opportunity to choose one or the other nation to live in, which one would you choose: the country and people who tolerate your lifestyle and have laws in place to protect it, or the monarchy that actively executes people for who they love to screw and throws them off buildings?
@@cuppeach6880 OP is qu33r. I'm pansexual and nonbinary, also qu33r. The people that hate gay people hate me, and hate OP. Besides, they never stop purging with one set of targets.
@@wet_jojo1015 God no. Intersectionality is the number one thing dividing the west. The more it's pushed, the more people see each other as enemies and instead sympathise with those who want to destroy them.
@@wet_jojo1015Nah, screw that dumb shit. All it did was give weak and stupid people excuses to be weak and stupid, creating more weak and stupid people.
You do realize a place like Gaza would never tolerate queer people. Like. Ever. They would throw you off the highest building in the street. That's not me being a negative asshole. That's the truth.
The freedom of one group of oppressed peoples does not, should not, and CAN NOT come from the colonization and further oppression of another group of peoples. Thank you for another phenomenal episode Matt.
the colonisation and oppression is from the Arab Nazi and Muslim Sharia countries - backuped by antiwestern socialist dictator ships and parties - just like in the 20. century. and btw, without western anticolonialism back then most people would not exist, live still in slavery, human rights were unknown and so on. and apart from that it makes no sense to measure the perpectives of the past with the same as today, there were many other colonialist/imperialist movements (but not as enlighten, pro human rights ideas (they ARE FROM WHITES/THE WEST!) who were much worse. already this single sided history clittering by left wing antisemitic/antizionist, racist movements like the 'intersektionalism' is responsible for most human right violations of the planet, and most existing dictator ships and terror attacks AND attacks on queers! it has consequences if one supports bad ideologies which obviously twist the reality! and 'Palestine' is an islamic/arabic imperialist/colonialist project anyway. one just has to open the eyes. it is NOT a liberation projects (just like it was not back then the Iran when the same left wings together with islam destroyed the pro western government which led to the now anti democratic, anti queer, anti female right, antisemitic/antizionist Sharia Regime, also one who is a real imperialist/colonialist regime. people like you are responsible for that! you support nothing than real oppression, real antiliberalism, antisemitism/antizionism, homophobia and oppression of female and human rights! and everyone could know that.
Jewish population in Islamic middle eastern countries in 1948. Algeria 140,000. Egypt 75,000. Iraq 135,000. Morocco 265,000. Syria 30,000. Tunisia 105,000. Yemen 63,000. Lebanon 5,000. Libya 38,000. Today there's approximately 3,000 across those countries. From 850,000! Now look at Palestinians in Israel. 1948 there's 150,000. Today there's 2.6 million. You tell me where the ethnic cleansing is happening? Where's the oppression happening?
this was disgusting and utterly pathetic. please don't think that all gay people are far-left zombies. Israel is the only one gay-friendly country in the Middle East, only this matters.
perfect example of privileged white activist talking from the comfort of his western house when mercenaries from impoverished families keep him safe(And he probably calls them "boots of opressors and militaryu complex" or some other leftist woke term). we dontt fight for any gay activist or women who dont want to wear hijab. we are not on a secular crusade in the middle east . we are middle eastern. most jews in israel are mizrahi jews who unlike the white privileged european jewish person in the video dont have anywhere else to go,and we had to escape the rest of the middle east because of mass pogroms and legislation against us(privilege christians and yazidis in the middle east didnt have so they were massacred by the hundreds of thousands). they like to bring up 1948- why wont they mention all the massacres by islamists preceding it like 1929 hebron and safed massacre in 1929 or 1921 nabi musa pogroms? we are having secular state on our ancestors lands because its what good for us. and the islamists and pan arab "freedom fighters" massacre millions and the leftist cheer them.
A nuanced, well thought out refutation of the pink washing. As a white cis father of a mtf daughter and an openly bisexual in rural Utah I appreciate actual discourse that can lead to education and possibly change.
Put yourself in the soldier's shoes: He is fighting people that would see him dead twice over: both for his religion and his sexual orientation. American LGBT people like to go on about how _"the first Pride was a riot"_ and call for a _"Trans Day of Rage"._ Yet here is an individual proudly defying an extreme-right theocracy, and they are tone-policing him.
As a queer Desi, I know those types of posts and actions are why nonwestern places often conclude LGBT come from colonialism even though colonizers erased those things. A lot of our countries are worried the movements will be psyops
So blame the queer community for these homophobic countries homophobia when they were put in the same place by colonial powers? Please make it make sense
True. As a queer Indian, it's so weird to see American leaders try and justify their colonial dreams as civilizing the 'barbarians' while at the same time treating the same minorities they are claiming to save in our countries worse and worse by day.
Well, Islamic cultures have always criminalized non-heterosexual lifestyles since these are prohibited in Islamic scriptures which outright call them disorderly and unnatural!
Its so cool that Sarah Schulman wrote back to you! I read Conflict is Not Abuse last year. It was a really interesting read even if I didn’t buy all of her points! I'll have to also check out the book you mentioned.
This popped up on my feed, and so this was my introduction to you. It was a lovely time to meet you and Moe. Thank you for such a thoughtful, nuanced account of the academia, politics, propaganda. Hearing your voice as a queer American Jew was especially important, but it is equally vital to hear a queer Palestinian voice, especially someone with family in Gaza (if you're reading your comments, we grieve with Moe ❤).
>a queer Palestinian voice, especially someone with family in Gaza Yeah a queer Palestinian voice, who is now living in Israel, because they had to flee Gaza, lol.
I appreciate dialogue on this issue. I am originally from Pakistan and identify as Muslim and a number of my close family members identify as LGTBQ+. There is a small but growing number of Muslims and South Asians who reject all oppression. We stand with the LGTBQ+ community and some of us are a part of it also. What is Israel doing for the gay and lesbian Palestinian Muslims? Besides bombing and killing them ?!
They have laws which protect gay and lesbian Jews and Arabs. What is Palestinian government doing for gays and lesbians? Ah, yes, they are killing them. Almost forgot.
I first heard the term "Homonationalism" is a video called something along the lines of "the queer politics of Eurovision". I was so glad for this term because i finally had a word for what i was seeing all around me. Tho i disagree with the idea of some that Homonationalism is only utilised by Queer white people who agree with all the other oppression going on. I mostly see it by people homophobic themselves. In germany pointing out homophobia, sexism, religious intolerance etc. in immigrant communities and among refugees is a very common tactic of the AFD who oppose all that in Germany.
Yes, it's a really widespread tactic by right-wingers. They tell queer people how dangerous immigrants will be to their rights while opposing queer rights themselves. They tell women immigrants pose a danger to them while they themselves love sexism and oppose feminism. They tell workers that immigrants will take their jobs while being against protections for workers. They just use immigrants as scapegoats for everything, including people they hate.
Here is the tea. Two things can be right at the same time, and I feel that some leftist don't understand there is gonna be massive issues that may occur taking a lot of immigrants that are intolerant especially to parts of your culture and don't want to integrate well. This is why in Europe euro sceptics and far right leaders and policies are growing. We have to be careful and understand what the other side is saying. Because if we are just blind to our ideology without noticing that these people actually don't share our values and sometimes fight directly against it and also haven't integrated well. Something needs to be done. Or the one on the right that seem to have a solution as we keep having none but ignoring it can harm our movement by not just the right side of our politics but the people we are bringing in on mass
Hi, i just wanted to say that i think that being homophic or not has nothing to do with integrating. Most people have prejudices because they were either raised that way or have not had any real interaction with people who have a different sexuality. I'm constantly getting Stereotyped just because of my Religion and Nationality.
If anyone's curious, it's a great video by Verilybitchie, which covers the ways in which Israel used its previous Eurovision win to encroach on Palestine and further 'Brand Israel' and is even more relevant today given it doesn't look like the EBU has any intention of removing them from Malmö 2024.
@@hopeintruth5119 You are forgetting tho that the "dont want to integrate" goes two ways. The concept of integration is an interesting one, because it always puts all the responsibility on the migrant. Never on the culture that demands integration. In Germany, finding a Job Takes longer when you have an Arab sounding Name. Finding a flat Takes longer. Finding a flat in a neighbourhood that isnt known for its immigrant tenants? Thats another can of Worms. Then you have the attitudes of people, constantly questioning why youre there, If youre Here legally, where your parents are from, assumptions about your values that are shoved onto you. im German but live in the UK, i have some experience with that one. Euro sceptics dont really Care If migrants integrate themselves. They wouldnt want them even If they did. They dont Talk about the migrants that integrate themselves, of which there are a Lot. But theyre Not newsworthy. Theyre quiet. Instead, you whip Up a storm about criminal Cases that make it on TV. The women who wear traditional clothes and Look different. And you use that to chip away at the concept of the EU, on Migrant Problem at a time. It's a scape goat, and im tired of people pretending that xenophobis would disappear If all migrants suddenly became model citizens.
Countries having their own social media presence isn’t all that unusual, they’re usually run by some sort of foreign affairs department. Since they’re run by the government that would explain why the Israeli governments ones are deranged
the podcast keeps getting better and better. I was looking forward for this episode and I really love the light you showed in the war that Israel declared on Palestine. The way you explained everything wrong with the whole propaganda images of Isreali soldiers carrying pride flags in the rumbles of Gaza streets, was incredibly well put together and the fact that you invited someone with family from Gaza was very thoughtfull and is something that is rare to see even in this overheated climate. The interview just like any other was well constructed and the questions were just right, I cannnot explain how incredible this podcast is, it is very clear that you put a lot of work and efford in your content and I cant thank you enough. I am waiting forward for the next one❤.
@@seto749 If all of us wait for other people to fight for our rights before we fight for theirs, then nothing will ever happen. Solidarity has to start somewhere. It has to start with us.
@@katrineknudsen1380 It is true that everyone can't follow the "Speak only when you're spoken to" rule, but you do know what happens when the weakest group unilaterally disarms first. The best we'll ever get is Jam Every Other Day.
@@elpocakoca120 Almost everyone else to whom we're being told we should make ourselves subservient. The video is correct that colonization isn't the answer, and there are things those who may be a step or two ahead on the path need to understand about the situation of those working to catch up. But this video takes explanations of non-white homophobia as valid excuses for it. That is going too far.
I recall watching the Netflix doc how to become a tyrant talking about the all women bodyguards of Muammar Gaddafi and how it was paraded as a strong example of female empowerment, and this propaganda stuff with the female IDF soldiers feels so similar 😵💫
You're thinking of it from the wrong direction. Gaddafi genuinely was quite progressive in many areas but ofc the west had to make him appear super evil bc he wanted to nationalise the land.
@@felixhenson9926 that's pretty interesting, I admit not being the most informed on this subject and I have been pretty dubious of American depictions/coverage of foreign governments, especially those that we declared war against, tripled if they are remotely socialist leaning. I do think it's fair to say the modern western perspective on him is flawed, but I still believe that the female empowerment campaign in the military still serves its purpose more as propaganda rather than actual desire for gender equality
Not directly linked to Palestine and Israel but more on the homonationalism point- a while ago I was invited to give a talk to a section of the company I work for because I’m actively involved in the company’s LGBTQ network, where I’ve written articles and done podcasts to talk about queer history and politics within the company’s intranet. I was invited to talk about queer issues and a representative from the women’s network was invited to talk about sexism/feminism and both of us were supposed to talk about these things through the lens of the Qatar World Cup (because that’s what was on at the time). I was asked in front of hundreds of people questions about how does it make me feel to have all this go on in a country where I couldn’t be myself and my answer to them was, I’m a lot less concerned for me in the UK thinking about what I’d do if I hypothetically went to Qatar than I am about the LGBTQ people already living there. I can decide to go or not but there’s people already there. And I felt that was important to point out because I didn’t like this inference of us v them, east v west either you’re brown and religious and homophobic or you’re white secular and love is love… because my gay ass has been hate crimed in the UK! I know a ton of Muslims who are either LGBT themselves or are allies. And the idea of separating this just reinforces racism and makes the queer people who are Muslim or who do live in these countries were told “do you know what they’d do to you there!?” Invisible
Hamas is not LGBTQ-friendly. The organization's stance on LGBTQ issues is aligned with conservative Islamic principles, which generally do not support LGBTQ rights. In Gaza, where Hamas is the governing authority, same-sex relationships are illegal and LGBTQ individuals face significant discrimination, social stigma, and legal repercussions. Reports indicate that LGBTQ individuals in Gaza often live in fear of persecution. Human rights organizations have documented cases of harassment, arrest, and abuse of LGBTQ people by both Hamas authorities and society at large.
Isn’t this a comparable situation to Jews giving aid to the nazi ideology? (Not calling people in Gaza literal nazis but the nazi ideology hates Jews and the Gaza ideology hates gays) because they are people with rights at the end of the day? They just carried out their ideology because they had the money and resources to do so, that’s one of the only reasons why people in Gaza aren’t doing the same thing currently in mass proportions. For example, any openly lgbtq person would likely be brutally killed in gaza yet the lgbq still parade around putting their reputation on the line for it… this just doesn’t make since, I understand caring for human rights but what’s the point if their RELIGION is against their very existence? If anyone has a decent response besides just side tracking the convo or attacking character, I would like to know how you feel. (I don’t support nazis in any form fyi)
Neither is Israel. In fact, the only ones murdering Palestinian LGBTQ right now are the Israelis. Fun fact: Gay marriage is illegal in Israel. Gay Pride is only allowed so the Zionist state can present itself to the millions of gullible Westerners and their elected officials as being more "civilized" and European than the dark--skinned Mohammedan native conservative Palestinians.
Sunan Abi Dawud 4462 Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done. Abu Dawud said: A similar tradition has also been transmitted by Sulaiman b. Bilal from 'Amr b. Abi 'Umar. And 'Abbad b. Mansur transmitted it from 'Ikrimah on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas who transmitted it from the Prophet (ﷺ). It has also been transmitted by Ibn Juraij from Ibrahim from Dawud b. Al-Husain from 'Ikrimah on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas who transmitted it from the Prophet (ﷺ).
This is true but if your response to that is to kill a bunch of the civilians who you claim are being victimized, then you've obviously only made the problem worse, which is the WHOLE point of the video. War crimes don't make their victims more progressive.
Human rights are never conditional, and the requirement that victims be faultless to support their rights is ridiculous. I remember when Mandela came to Australia after finally being freed, and failed to address the First Nations grievances at all, for which I understand those that criticised his lack of care for some of his strongest supporters here however he was also right when he said 'our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians'. We must end this conflict, and push to decolonise for the sake of everyone because these atrocities only fuel more hatred and violence in the future. The truth is, no one of us can be free until everybody is free. - Maya Angelou
>and the requirement that victims be faultless to support their rights is ridiculous Yes, the LGBTQ people in Israel don't need to be faultless not to be driven into the sea. Yet that's what Queers for Palestine wants anyways. >and push to decolonise for the sake of everyone "Everyone" is literally only religious extremist and rich Arab families. Those are the only ones profiting from the destruction of Israel.
30:50 referring to homophobia as "cultural norms" that we need to "respect". despicable. you can support palestine without homophobic apologia. also, the history of free palestine in particular the PLO not mentioned once? would have been apt. 2 unbelievably out of touch people. would have been nice having an expert on.
AS A QUEER TRANS MUSLIM I AM DISCOVERING THAT I AM ONLY JUST DISCOVERING THROUGH THIS VIDEO AND THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE SUCH A LARGE COMMUNITY BOTH FROM WITHIN AND BEYOND PALESTINE. I LOVE YOU ALL. I WISH I COULD HUG EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU AND I WISH WE CAN ALL COMMUNE ONE DAY. COMMUNITY IS ALL WE HAVE AGAINST THE WORLD.
One thing that might be somewhat outside of the scope of this episode, but feels relevant, is that this "divide and conquer" approach is consistently displayed by Israeli leadership, and has been for a long time. It has been reported on some, but rarely on particularly far reaching places, how earlier in his time in politics there, Bibi was part of an effort to actively push forward an Islamic fundamentalist leadership in Gaza, in order to attempt to divide the Palestinian people (who had been organizing under more secular groups), and make it easier for them to continue to maintain the supposed "lack of reasonable people on the other side" which has been constantly used to avoid actually work towards an end to the violence. It is a settler colonial project which was explicitly and openly founded upon that, then as the worldwide attitudes have shifted there has been an ever increasing effort to just jangle more keys to distract the world from that fact. It is despicable, and I am glad to see more people seeing through it, I just hope that this awareness can help bring an end to the slaughter before its too late. Glad to have found my way to this channel recently, stay safe in this increasingly hostile north america y'all! Free Palestine! P.S. the other bit that I heard, though dont have tonnes of confirmation, is that the Israeli government will actively report queer folks who refuse to assist them, to the specific groups that are virulently homophobic, with the active intentions and desire for it to get people killed.
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice anywhere” MLK jr. I also want to add a thank you for opening my eyes to some things I hadn’t considered. I consider myself an ally and progressive in a lot of ways but recognize we all carry implicit bias. I think both things can be true at the same time. People of Palestine do not deserve to be wiped out and destroyed as a people and also carry some religious influences that are harmful to LGBTQ + folks. I do understand the racial component and saw how Muslim folks were talked about after 911 and even then I could think critically that one group of people doesn’t mean people deserve to be treated with such hatred. Hopefully I’m making sense, but I think we can feel sadness for Palestinian people and also feel sadness for the oppression placed on people due to their religion. I think religion is the discussion here and the patriarchal and oppressive practices that make it hard for me to see things from different angles. Thank you for your open and informative talks!!
I do not want to make light of the suffering of people in Gaza, and I won't, it's heartbreaking, nor will I make light of the suffering of the people who were affected by Hamas' October 7th attack (though that Israel/pride flag was cringy). This said, having actually spent a lot of time in the Middle East, including Israel, I can tell you with some authority, that while I can understand having sympathy for the Palestinian people, I find it incredulous that anyone here who doesn't at least accept that as an LGBTQ person, you would have to live in a very deep closet just to survive in Gaza or the West Bank, or for that matter, every single country in the Middle East except Israel. And with that said, it makes it very hard to understand how, regardless of how you feel about the current war, you cannot acknowledge that Israel is the only place you could live in the region in freedom, and that any country that protects your rights deserves your support, even if you disagree with its current policies.
"you would have to live in a very deep closet just to survive in Gaza" didn't you noticed that is exactly what the people of gaza experience under Israel's bombs.
@@jesseshepherd5522 A closet is not a place to live: fortunately, thanks to Israel's liberation army, there will not be any closet left in Gaza soon. I'm so glad to see our LGBTQIA+ rights so well protected for us. Thank you so much Israel.
Are you pretending to post in UA-cam comments from Gaza? Or do you actually claim to be one of the Palestinians who just had their closet blown apart?@@metaldemort
im surprised nobody mentions the gay and miner mutual support that develped in the uk '70-'80s(?) around the "queers for palestine" discussion - supporting them could possibly improve the lgbtq rights and general considerations
At some point I feel like people who tell me to go live in Palestine as a queer person just enjoy the thought of me experiencing violence for being queer
I don't think so. Genuine question though, you are in a liberal part of the world that mostly protects your rights. What do you think you can achieve for those who live in literal Hell on Earth from the security of your home? Who are those you are trying to move, and do you think they care? I doubt you have any actual power to make a difference, so who do you hope would take care of things and possibly put themselves in harm's way? Politicians? The military? If so you'd do more by actually going there yourself, but ofc you won't, nobody expects you to do it. I'm not saying you can't protest but I wonder how big of a difference you're really making for this out of proportion conflict.
They only meant you have no idea what Israel is dealing with. You stand for people who raped, beheaded, murdered, kidnapped people and celebrate death on the streets. All documented. Palestinian Arabs even shared it on social media. Do you prefer not to see it?
@@andjelabozic2317 just them going there in person isn't gonna fix the situation much though, they might just get killed as well for simply being in the area...
@@a84jdu3uc7d They can volunteer to join the military. There's a significant number of them, they can get proper training and go there to provide aid. Of course they could die, but that's a risk they should be willing to take if they care so much. What, you think people on either side of the war go there ready to die? That they go there just because it's that easy?
This openness to talk about pinkwashing as it relates to the Israel and Palestine conflict is appreciated, the layers are topics that needs to be talked about and this segment was very interesting to listen to.
As an Iranian I have to ask my fellow queers, if Palestine becomes free will you live there? I'm sure the answer would be no. So then I have to ask, why would you create a space that will oppress current and future marginalized groups? It's hypocrisy, especially when you live in a country that provides rights and freedoms
True. If global people who are not Palestinians support a one state solution--as both of these two discussants appear to--shouldn't they introduce a strategy to facilitate Hamas opening up on lgbtq+ and femnist issues? Gaza and Hamas are almost completely funded by foreign grants and generates little organic tax revenue. If the world told Hamas to open up on lbgtq+ and femnism, Hamas would have to comply. Why won't the world do this?
They dont understand, they havent been burdened by this culture of hate yet. Ironically the lgbt are gonna be the first to be deleted when their muslim allies show up to rule them.
I only heard this about gay people being unsafe from the west, I come from a country that is Arab-Muslim. There is no gay/trans person in our countries that are being oppressed they made up those ideas that people are being dropped from the roof top, which to me is so odd because I never even heard it?! because it doesn't exist at all ( ofc I do not mean unstable countries because all human rights don't exist there for anyone). I grew up with friends being gay in my school, uni, work and never felt any type of disgust or hate towards them. Someone very close to me is trans, same-sex marriage is not only not allowed in the Middle-east but also in Some African countries and even in some western countries and states in USA, Israel and even Italy where people are mostly liberal. This is not a new phenomena where Queers are ostracized in society.
Same sex marriage is recognized in Israel. Where the f so people get this from? For a long time you couldn’t get married in Israel (you have to travel abroad to get married which isreal would recognize), but that’s not even the case anymore.
I had to stop watching and comment when homonationalism came up. Are you really surprised that people in a country where we secured these rights are going to feel that this country (whomever's country it is) is better than a country where being out carries the real threat of a death sentence, sanctioned by the state?
@@SirSpenace You compare the authoritarian Moscow regime to a country that has many flaws but is a democracy that respects the rights of LGBT people in the case of us gays, and this is what is most important to me as an LGBT person - our rights and safety!
@@atajzur2980 Israel has absolutely zero "respect" for LGBTQ+ people. They've shared outright transphobic videos on their official twitter profiles lol Don't fool yourself, queerness has no place in Zionist colonialism.
Hey, I just want to let you know that I’m writing an essay involving this video, and also that one of my university profs has included some of your videos in her lectures, so thank you for your videos! They are important
Thank you so much for using your platform for good. I have so much respect for you and for using your voice!! Earlier, I saw the stories on Queering the Map in Gaza... and the stories of the queer people who had to see their crushes die absolutely broke my heart. It makes me so furious that pinkwashing Israelis are trying to use this narrative when they are the reason that Palestinians can't move beyond basic survival.
Really? Israel's the reason? It's not Hamas taking all the money that's supposed to go to Gazans' infrastructure and spending it on tunnels and rockets?
I think you have done a great job of translating some of the big academic concepts into accessible language for general audiences. Will recommend this video to my students and colleagues.
I normally don't comment on videos, but I just wanted to thank you, Matt. Your videos empower me with the language to express my feelings about these issues. This video in particular is important to me. I go to a campus with a lot of conservative Israel-supporting Jews, most of whom are in my small honors cohort. One of them (who is extremely homophobic & bigoted to the point where even the other conservatives are put off by their stances sometimes) tried to use this argument. This person and I didn't get to fully hash this argument out, but I'm sure I will encounter this argument again, so now I can better word my feelings.
There is Nothing wrong with Homosexuality what folks like you do is y'all's business I'm not that way though. But people shouldn't support Hamas or those Associated with them. They are Genocidal & Homophobic. People in the Middle East that are Gay or Christians have had to go to places like Israel or America.
It is also important for you to know the IDF has sent out Leaflets Calls Texts Emails to reduce civilian casualties. They have among the lowest civilian to combatant ratios compared to other countries. The population of Gaza is also projected to go from 2.1 million to 2.18 Million. In war there is going to be Collateral Damage which is the Undesired or Accidental Consequences of conflict. Terrorism is the willful purposeful targeting &/or exploitation of civilians to achieve Political &/or Religious motives. The Difference between the IDF & Hamas is both intent & principle. I also want you to imagine what would happen if the Allied Powers did not go after the Axis Powers. I also want you to ask what would have happened if we didn't go after ISIS. Both cases involved civilian casualties.
As a girl from Bethlehem in Pale🍉، stine, I really want to thank you both for this most wonderful video and discussing this topic and how minorities are exploited for colo، nial purposes.♥️
Minorities are "exploited" when people protect them? And you'd rather have them oppressed and murdered? You don't give a shit about anyone, why keep up the pretense?
Israel and israelis are no colony within the 1967 borders and have full right to exist. Please quit the support for hamas and its actions and it will clear the path to justice. Israelis cant perish in the name of palestinian liberstion
no one is exploiting palestinians for resources. security measures have been put to protect israel and israelis which have full right to live and exist. yes, also extremist jewish settlers do some trouble and I opposed them. but october the 7th happened in the legal part of Israel, where leftists pro peace people live
I think a big part of this is also Islamophobia. Like any other big religion, there are leftist/liberal muslims. I've been pretty much atheist my whole life but I know so many muslims who are feminists, who care about gay/trans rights, it's very hard for me to associate all of Islam to inherently conservative ideologies like many people do. Besides, we don't fight homophobia in Christianity by enacting violence on Christians. I'm so glad for the most part we aren't letting these differences divide us in the fight for justice and liberation for all.
Omg I'm muslim (by birth) and trust me in the religion its actually forbidden to be homophobic and transphobic becuase we're bulding aggression (and oppressing) other people. Even treating them diffrently is seen as heinous in the faith.
You aren't fighting for justice or liberation AT ALL. You can't even admit that Islam is against gays. You have ZERO principles. When it gets even the tiniest bit uncomfortable, your support for anything you pretend to stand for goes out of the window.
Thank you for providing another source to refer to on homonationalism and how Israel use pink washing to justify and distract from their war crimes in Palestine. Both this podcast episode and your instagram posts has been valuable in sharing this information, in my local queer community and beyond I'm sorry the cost of distributing this information is queerphobic pushback. Please know that for any negative feedback you've received, you've touched many more lives in a positive way by platforming this knowledge. Thank you for your work
As a queer Palestinian living in occupied Palestine, I’ve only been treated badly for being queer by zionists (especially Orthodox Jews). I have friends who have been called Arab whores (gay guys) and other homophobic racist slurs. Palestinians, although not the most accepting people of queerness (they were until the British came and enforced laws that criminalize queer behaviors) will not show discontent or hatred to your face, they might hate your guts but are polite enough not to show it. The other community on the other hand is very homophobic and in your face about it.
"Occupied Palestine"- basically since you live in an area under Israeli control, no homophobic Arab has killed you yet. Since when did the Palestinian state ever had gay rights?? They hunt gay men like animals in the West Bank.
New to your channel. I'm 53 and my two senselessness will add to the algorithm. Appreciate the way you communicate with simple language as you go over the topic. Professor Greg Carr does the same.
Really glad that You're using Your platform mindfully, to educate others. Still can't get over what Noah freaking Shnapp posted: "You either stand with Israel or You stand with terrorism" 💀 42:24 WHAT THE HECK
Sunan Abi Dawud 4462 Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done. Abu Dawud said: A similar tradition has also been transmitted by Sulaiman b. Bilal from 'Amr b. Abi 'Umar. And 'Abbad b. Mansur transmitted it from 'Ikrimah on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas who transmitted it from the Prophet (ﷺ). It has also been transmitted by Ibn Juraij from Ibrahim from Dawud b. Al-Husain from 'Ikrimah on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas who transmitted it from the Prophet (ﷺ). Chickens for KFC 🐓🍗🏳️🌈🇵🇸
Had a muslim lover few years ago, who grew up in muslim world. He was forced to do things he didn’t want under threat of life. He said if he opens about himself there, he’d be dead.
@@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 no one said it did. Israel is trying to protect and rescue its citizens lives from a population that claims th.3y r illegitimate colonialists that dont belong, and want to c.0nq4er the territory of the state of Israel. Lgbt rights was nt 3.v3r the justification for @.ny of Israels actions
Wow this comments section really didn't pass the vibe check. For my two cents: loved the video guys 🥰❤️ it's supremely informative and nice to hear a queer Palestinian echoing what many of us in the community feel, namely the sentiment of: "stop weaponising us when it suddenly suits your genny-cidal narrative to be Queer friendly" 😅... Bc the chief people I see online these days pulling the "you'd be unalived in Gaza" card tend to be the same ones who are transparently homophobic, transphobic and generally queerphobic 24/7 in any situation outside of using it as a "gotcha" regarding Palestine. They're trying to "use" my identity to justify colonisation, war crimes and absolute horror, and I'm not ok with it. As someone else in the comments mentioned: you can't "fight for the rights" of the queer people of Palestine if you already buried them under a pile of rubble. That's not how "liberation" works...🤦🏻♀️The prerequisite for progress in queer rights for Palestinians is above and beyond all other things: peace, a permanent ceasefire, and a full restoration of every Palestinian's human rights. Only then is it worth debating those issues, until then it's a deflection of guilt on the part of Isrl and has absolutely no place in any discourse right now. Ps: just started reading "Queer Palestine and the Empire of Critique" by Sa'ed Atshan today and I'm curious to see how his analysis lands. I'm barely in the preface and already I've learned about organisations like Al-Qaws and Aswat who are apparently Palestinian LGBTQ+ organisations I'd not heard of until now 🥰❤️ can't wait to learn more!! And glad you gave them a shout out too! Pps: urgh... I commented this just before the end. Hearing you mention the toll as "ten thousand" people hurts so so much, knowing that as of right now, August 2024, we've already quadrupled that figure and it's showing few signs of slowing 😭💔
@@jacobglenn4152 I do not speak for Hamas, and I don’t represent them. I am Palestinian with also a right to defend myself when an Israeli soldier verbally assaults me and my mother just for not speaking Hebrew. Just to let you know, we were on the way to the church when that happened.
@hkh5199 Sure, you don't represent hamas directly, but the only way this war ends is when Hamas stops attacking. Sorry about what happened to you and your mom, but compared to what happened on October 7th. Sorry, but the consequences of hamas attacking Isreal are that Isreal is attacking you back. Sorry about this, but the sooner you and the rest of the palestinians reject Hamas, the sooner this conflict ends.
@jacobglenn there is no hamas in the west bank. Besides that, asking Palestinians to accept their death so Israelis will stop hastening it is mentally deranged. I don't blame you for being morally bankrupt tho, that is the goal of Israeli propoganda- point everything on Hamas. Something Russia certainly also takes a page out of, justifying their response on Ukraine on the Nazis, but I'm sure you support the Ukrainian right to defend itself. It's easier when the people look like you.
The thing about this podcast is that every episode that comes out, just based off of the title, immediately becomes a must for me to watch and listen to entirely. And I am constantly impressed by the relevance of the content and how well-structured and researched it is. This one though has been most impressive, as the subject is very tough to approach just because of how deeply the narrative has been manipulated and forged internationally for decacdes. I applaude you for your intelligence and clear vision.
Just please stop referring to Israrlies as white.. this is so strange. Most of us are from Arab countries and are what you call "brown". Our issues are not a copy and paste version of your issues.
funny how mizrahim and sepharadim jews love to call themselves white in the west, you're only arabic when it suits you huh ? also bibi's supporters don't say "kill all hamas" or even "kill all muslims" they say "kill all arabs", as a christian arab you guys are white to me.
Im currently taking a class on gender and sexuality in the MENA region and a term that we discuss thati think helps to describe the contrast between western "progressive" countries and the middle east is "fractal orientalism" i highly suggest you look into the term as it goes hand in hand with homonationalism and pink washing
The particular hipocrisy of the West which colonized the middle east and introduced anti-gay laws to that part of the world (the anti-LGBTQIA laws in Palestine are remnants from the British Mandate) is fascinating. This is not to say that these were "LGBT paradises" in pre-colonial days, but it was a non-issue before Western colonial powers codified homofobia in laws imposed on those countries. Now we turn around and condemn those parts of the world we colonised and where we created anti-LGBT judicial structures for the same structures we created.
@@franciscosantossilva4202 Why not break their oppressive tradition? If you’re holding a tradition from colonizers even though they left, you are complicit with them.
Ahahah, OMG, dude, when was the middle east colonized by the West? In the short period between the fall of the Ottoman Empire after WW1 around 1918 and 1948 as the British left? Those 30 years imposed a tradition of anti-LGBTQABCDEFU laws? What the fuck are you talking about?
"Either you stand for humanity or you don't. You either care about human rights or you don't. And if you care about queer rights you need to first and foremost care about the lives of these people. They can't have rights if they are dead" The whole podcast was fantastic and well worth a listen in full, but if anyone has to take away one quick message, it should be this
Israeli peoples right to live is just as important, and this is what the IDF is trying to secure by er. @sing Hamas. Hamas holds responsability for the toll in gaza by turning civillian infrastructure into militsry bases.
@@TheAshube9 did you enjoy digging up an 8 month old comment just to parrot some bs that you read somewhere on the internet just so you could justify a GENOCIDE? Free Palestine 🇵🇸
What's happening in Gaza hasn't left my mind for a long time and it's been very distressing, especially since in this case it is so much harder to do anything to help, I feel very powerless. Here in Germany it's especially hard to speak up publically and protest for Palestine and against the actions of the Israeli government, for obvious reasons.. You'd think that if anything, Germany should recognise and condemn a genocide when we see one, but that doesn't seem to be the case...
Nur gibt es keinen Genozid. Zum besseren Verständnis des Konflikts und der Geschichte empfehle ich Tobias Huch und Mark Reicher. Es sei denn man möchte Terroristen unterstützen. Das tut man nämlich auf den entsprechenden Demos. Da finden sich unter Anderem Flaggen von ISIS, den Taliban und Hamas. Wenn man mit Terroristen übereinstimmt sollte man vielleicht seinen Standpunkt überdenken. Letzten Endes muss man aber auch sagen dass man damit nicht mal die Palästinenser unterstützt. Denn die leiden auch unter Hamas.
Gosh, maybe Germany's just learned their lesson to be cautious about people who openly state that they want to exterminate the Jews, and gain support by claiming to be the victims of Jewish oppression.
Did American GIs hide behind Jews from German artillery? Did Soviet soldiers use concentration camp internees as human shields? The comparison makes it clear how absurd it is to call Israel genocidal.
3:38 Yes dear Matt. You live in the U.S, which doesnt get attacked on daily basis by Terrorattacks for simply existing. The majority of Israelis are descendants (who doesnt have another Nationalty anymore) from Jews that have been aggressively kicked out from There homes in Europe and in the Middle East simply because they were jewish. Do you know how it is to live in a Nation which is still getting bombarded for there existence? From Gaza and from Lebanon. It’s just a bit hypocritical to sit as a jewish person in America in your Home were you dont have to fight of Terrorgroups for your own Existence. I dont say what Israel is doing ist the best solution but what else would it be we dont live there it’s difficult to recommend the exact solution.
I have been watching your videos for a few months now and really enjoyed them. I did not except to see such a well- informed, researched, empathetic point of view on such a complex subject when almost all media and celebrities fail at it. I'm in awe and wish you all the success
@@Rastaferrari829 except israel is not committinf genocide but dealing with an organization that in addition to being homophobic, has perpetrsted medieval atrocities and has promised to repeat th. 3m and is holding over 100 hostages. And has turnt the civillian.i frastructure including hospitals, schools and humanitarian areas into militsry bases
@@Rastaferrari829 it does not, and its not the argument. the israeli argument is the right to get rid of ppl that did october the 7th and are holding h. 0stages, when said people have turnt schools, hospitals and humanitarian zones into military bases with human shields
@@TheAshube9 Comprehension is key because your response has nothing to do with what I said. MY argument was that LGBT+ individuals can support Palestinian right to existence and sovereignty regardless of how they identify. The “Israeli argument” you’re making again does not absolve Israel of their crimes of excessive force in their midst to “get the bad guys”.
@@Rastaferrari829 I agree in principle, but its kind of cringe to protest in representation of a group that is so h8t3d in palestine, u can do so as an individual, I´m also sure theyd appreciate it more. also, "excessive force" is debatable. I dont have the answers but Israel has a right to survive and free its h. 0stages aswell. and the responsability for causing the t. 0ll by employing civillian infrastructure is on hamas first and foremost
The glamorization of the soldiers is just the old british empire propaganda paintings where they have a squad of redcoats bravely fighting off a thousand zulus, when in reality there were loads of them and they were mowing people down with machine guns. Only difference is instead of physical beauty it's romanticized ideas of martial masculinity. Same old trick though, but for a new age and modern values.
The British didn't have machine guns during the Anglo-Zulu war. Most of the art is of the battle of Rorke's Drift where some 250 British defeated 3-4000 Zulus and the Zulus also had rifles btw.
I know that your religion makes it impossible for you to admit, but the Zulus actually won battles against the Brits. In particular they won a major battle before Rorke's Drift. A corollary of the "West bad" ideology seems to be that the West is infititely superior in power to everyone else in the world and never loses to them.
it is not at all ignorant or stupid for queer people to stand in solidarity with Palestine. Gay rights in Israel doesn't make up for the nakba, the apartheid, the settlements, the administrative detention, the current ethnic cleansing, the genocidal rhetoric of the Israeli politicians.
Correct; it's ignorant and stupid for queer people to stand in solidarity with Palestine because they stand in solidarity with Hamas. It's ignorant and stupid for *anyone* to believe the propaganda of people whose stated goal is the extermination of Jews.
Yes it doesn't but it doesn't mean we support a terr0rist group who would murder us on sight. Queer people shouldn't involve themselves in this when it has nothing to do with us.
So what I saw in the comments is that some people (not all) who praise diversity are not only putting people in a box but are also totally xenophobic towards a certain group of people.
just one question, can yout find any picture that shows a bearded islamist dude (or non male cisgednder islamist) or any "palestinian" no matter their sexual identification, showing the rainbow flag?
@@mwagaha3343It means if you are white for example.. will you support an anti white community that might kill white people or outcast them? I think it says something about this society.. And that maybe if they support this kind of behavior then what else they support..
Thank you so much for this. Really. It consumed myself over the past weeks, not being able to put all you said in an organized speech. This has just relieved the pressure on my heart. Thank you.
I can only speak as a queer person, but it infuriates me when people justify oppression with oppression. Using queer oppression to justify genocide is absurd. Its not a competition. We all have liberation or none of us do.
well under a "free palestine" no one will! yes you got some colors on a flag pole but a government beholden to imperialist terrorist organizations that are anti woman, anti lgbt, anti jew and anti freedom! YOU WIN!!
yes! and people who do that just completely forget that there are also queer palestinians
@@inconsistizzyyes and most of those queer Palestinians are seaking sanctuary in Israel. There's a whole documentary about it. On my old podcast I interviewed a Gay Palestinian a few years ago. Look it up. Watch the documentary. Educate yourself. On average there are thousands of gay Palestinians seeking sanctuary in Israel. Trying to flee for their life from Palestine because of how gay people are treated in Palestine.
It angers me when people use words like genocide so loosely and dont realise wich side actually wants to commit genocide its disrespectful to the hostages captured in gaza but also disrespectful to the word just doesnt have a meaning anymore
@martinberg3970 everything Israel has done to Palestine falls under the criteria of genocide and to pretend otherwise is to endorse it
As a queer person from the Middle East I really appreciate you speaking on this. I do not give anyone permission to co-opt my oppression and weaponize it to harm me and my people. That is pure evil and I wholeheartedly reject it!
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I wish safety and freedom for you and your loved ones
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You literally have to be as anonymous as possible because your people and culture have FAILED.
“D3@d people can’t have rights” 👏 Thank you both for this insightful and empathetic episode, you’re both so well spoken ❤️
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It really reminds me of the Iraq war propaganda we were subject too after 9/11.
Like. Retaliating and declaring war on Afghanistan didn't solve any of those issues, it just killed people. Most of whom weren't the Taliban or Alqueda (I may have missed spelled that). And Osama was in a different country. So. It was bad.
But the Iraq qar? Possibly lead to Isis. And had nothing to do with 9/11. We didn't level the Saudis even though they supposedly helped fund it. It didn't help relations with Iran. It may have mad so much shit worse. And for what? This was us solving terrorism? This was winning, and spreading democracy? Even comedians were pointing out this was bs.
The irony of the Pride flag, or even the isreali one. Over rubble. Jewish people have been oppressed. Homosexuality is still illegal on a lot of law books. And yet, we can pretend those flags are standing for liberation... even though it's clearly standing on rubble.
Like you guys say. Dead people don't get those rights. They're dead. This didn't fix anything. It's just rationalizing the crimes. Its using a giant war machine, of a country or state acting out of hurt, or delusional self preservation... rather than addressing what lead to the hurt or violence in the first place.
Ending the occupation of Gaza and the west Bank could save isreali lives, too. But people don't care.
Like. The mental gymnastics to say this helps queer Palestinians is absurd.
He's empathetic?😂 He hates Israeli lgbtq+ people
26:53 "He hasn't specifically said I support you" - that says it all. He is a gay man living in America. His family allegedly doesn't have a problem with him being gay because he lives abroad. If he were living in Gaza he would bring great shame on the family and probably would wind up dead due to honor killing.
Let's admit it.
It has nothing to do with Palestine.
Ur anti West.
Ur anti freedom.
Ur anti decent.
Not pro Gaza.
Ur against anything good.
Bc ur stupid or evil.
As a trans nb person, I'd burn my pride flags before letting them fly over the bodies of the marginalized.
You can't be trans AND nonbinary. First, trans doesn't exist in reality, it's just people playing pretend. But even if it was real, there are only two options. You people can't even get your made-up bullshit straight.
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Hamas is terrorism, not "marginalized".
The pride flag being gleefully displayed in Gaza is so incredibly sick... How many LGBT Gazans are literally dead and buried in the rubble behind that guy?
you're delulu. If there are so many LGBT Gazans, how come they were never flying the pride flag before?
@@TheSilentBattleah yes, if you don't fly a pride flag, you can't be lgbt, apparently.
@@user-ny1wo1vp9rMy God the fucking arrogance....why don't you go there. Go to Palestine with a GoPro on your head, livestream it, and wear a pride flag shirt. Announce aloud every 30 seconds. I would be impressed if you lasted one hour.
It's terrible that shitty people harass and harm people in the United States. But at least queer people can have a life here in the USA.
I want the fighting over there to stop. HAMAS is scum and the murder of the innocent is despicable.
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@@TheSilentBattlejust because they don’t have lgbt flags doesn’t mean they’re not queer, not having a pride flag doesn’t wash out your sexuality.
We must not make perfection a requirement for advocacy because if we do, we will never change. No cause or advocate is perfect, but we strive to be better than we were. That is the only reasonable metric to hold anyone to. Great episode.
Who are 'we'? Gay people are not far-left tools, far-lest and far-right are the same. Israel is the only one gay friendly country in the Middle East. While homophobes of Gaza kill gays and sent to a prison.
Sorry, but you do realize that Hamas literally has a mandate to kill queer people
The problem is you have less compassion for your fellow Americans who do things like disagree with gay marriage for religious reasons, and act like America is terrible and needs to have its systems dismantled, but have no problem propping up a Palestinian country that makes America look like a day at the beach for queer people by comparison. You and other Palestinian supporters are so brainwashed by media and propaganda that you actually think you're advocating for something good. Palestine deserves to be defeated. It's better for the world if Israel goes to war with them and take over the entire area. The world is much messier than the meat boxes you want them to fit in. The idea that these terror attacks are natural responses to so called oppression by Israel is literally parroting the talking points of organizations whose professed goal is to kill all Jews in the world, not just in Palestine and Israel. It blows my mind that this many of you can be this tragically wrong about something.
amen
Idiotic. Asking not to be slaughtered on the spot for being LGBT, not muslim, not vying for the genocide of the Jewish people who are under occupation by the arab invaders, not wearing a thrashbag over your head, isn't asking for "perfection".
May you travel to Gaza and find out the truth there.
I remember hearing a discussion about Eurovision - how Israel gets to participate and Palestine doesn't. The response was well what would Palestine send anyway (Bashar Murad for starters!). Silly example but some people can't even conceive of Palestinians producing art, music, comedy, poetry, philosophy. Same islamophobic and colonial thinking that has left so many indifferent to a genocide.
Actually, the reason why Palestine isn't in the Eurovision Song contest is that to participate, a country needs to follow a few criteria, mainly have a national public broadcaster that is a member of the European Broadcasting Union.
@@idogonen3075 it wasn't a conversation about the actual logistics of participating. I think it was an expression of the colonial idea that Palestine is a backwards place without a culture - in contrast with Israel and its "European values", it is not a place that could produce e.g. music, dance or comedy of any interest. Anyway, FREE PALESTINE.
you know bashar murad 😍 he deserves so much nore recognition, i love his music so much
Agreed, that's def a silly and ignorant sentiment. There are a multitude of reasons as to why it would be difficult, and maybe even a bad idea to include Palestine(like idk if we should put Bashar in that kind of danger lol, I love him too much) as a competitor at the moment, but entry wise they could just let the palestinian girls and gays figure it out and they'll get a good ESC entry.
@KattReen you've just said it yourself, these people are IN DANGER when their fellow Palestinians know who they really are. Just because you know some frilly gay western Palestinians who arent like that, you cannot excuse the rampant and murderous history of glaring human rights abuses aimed directly at gay people in that country. You literally proved all the skepticism of them to be correct and accurate, and you've done so with your own concerns. You people are just in denial.
As a muslim brown woman that is not a part of the LGBTQIA community, THANK YOU for your voice!! You are incredible and so very eloquent. You have a fan in me
10 years imprisonment for gays in Palestine . Facts look it up
Are you going to share your comment with your family members? 🤦♂️
@@mattpowell6291 yes and? I am always fascinated by the millions of assumptions people from the west have about brown people even though most of them have never stepped foot outside of their country lmao.
And where's your voice in attacking any homophobic violent and demonic "liberation" movements?
@@cuppeach6880
Where's yours? Look into the NIFB. They're a "Christian" cult who want a lot of people to be unalived.
Marsha said it very succinctly: "No Pride for some us without Liberation for all of us." Thank you and Moe for talking about this. 💙
Even if it kills Marsha?
If you're not smart enough to know that The punishment for being gay in Gaza is the death penalty and torture. Don't speak.
How about 'Blacks for KKK'?! M*rons!
If Marsha is in Gaza she may have to hide her identity to exist, but she can't hide from the IDF bombardment, which doesn't spare queer people.
@@MK_ULTRA420Do u even know who Marsha is? If you knew you would know the answer to your question.
Speaking to homonationalism, as a black queer person, I've had mixed feelings even about the country my parents are from. In fact, especially where they are from. For me, it's seeing my family, extended family and Nigerian family friends be extremely homophobic and transphobic and just growing up knowing that there's this inherent hatred towards a big part of you. From the people who are supposed to love you. You can imagine my coming out wasn't the easiest thing. There are still some things that I hide from my parents. I've grown up wishing that I was white, for a multitude of reasons, but mainly because I've seen (apparently) how much better I could've been treated. And how many times I've been told that "we're not like the whites, we don't go by British standards" in terms of punishment and whatnot. I've associated a lot of the abuse and homophobia with my parents' home country. I can't even call it my own home country. I remember watching the episode in sex education where Eric goes to Nigeria and joins the queer scene and it blew my mind that there even would be one. I know gay Nigerians exist but, the idea that there's a queer community in Nigeria just feels so inaccessible to me.
During my childhood, I found myself hating Nigerians. Not necessarily people who are ethnically Nigerian, but people who live in Nigeria. I hated the country. Even now I have mixed feelings about it. I've had less intense, but still mixed feelings of other African countries and the mixed feelings extend to other places where homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, etc is prevalent, with the exception of the west because it's where I grew up, in the UK I have at least some protections 😅 I can't get over the fact that if I took one step in any of those places, I would have all of those isms shoved in my face all at once and my life would be hell, if I would even get to live at all.
It's good to put a word to these kinds of feelings- to understand where your biases and sometimes isms come from and how you can address them. Even so, while I've been affected by homonationalism, I can still see from a mile away that it's fucked up to claim progression with a pride flag over a freshly bombed area. I think you'd have to be pretty fucking delusional
Thank you for sharing.
At least you've realized western sensibility is not a universal principle anywhere in the world except western countries.
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm somebody who is queer and I internalized I deserved rights, equal opportunity, and prosperity like cis straight people only after I moved to a country with better laws. It took years for me to even think I was deserving of those things. It pains me greatly that country has more than 500 anti-LGBT+ laws submitted this year. I am also proud that many activists are making sure these laws don't pass, year after year, while back home seems hopeless. I think it's important for people in the diasporas from countries with less protections to acknowledge our feelings like you did in this comment, and to also point out every time that just because we have this feelings, it is not acceptable to paint any country as retrograde, savages, uncivilized, and ultimately as a moral duty to murder their people's. Not because we would believe it, but because unfortunately the homonationalism and pink washing strategies will use our stories as reasons for destroying other people's. As many others have said, just because I lived through homophobia doesn't mean I condone the annihilation of a peoples and their children. Truly, oppressors can only see one path forward: to conquer or to be destroyed. And for many seeking liberation, we want the path of no destruction and no conquering.
@@burningspoonful But guess what? Wanting to live, not wanting to be abused and wanting to be happy are pretty universal feelings.
@antonioscendrategattico2302 thanks for saying something as obvious as "the sun is bright", did you have a point?
Or were you trying to use that to conflate hamas' death squads with Israeli tolerance of gays?
The photo of the rainbow flag in front of a an apocalyptic wasteland the UN secretary general called “a graveyard for children” is one of the most vile, perverse images I’ve ever seen
It’s beyond dystopian. The Israelis have lost the plot.
Yes.
They've been like this for a long time, we just have smartphones now.
So many aspects are dystopian. I’ve been reading about the autonomous sentry guns the IDF use and use of AI to generate locations to target from the air. So much of the death has zero accountability. Who’s responsible when a child is shot by a robot for running up to a fence?
Not to mention that the ultra right that’s taken over the Israeli government is hardly into drag race. The finance minister Smotrich literally refers to himself as a fascist homophobe. Those are his own words. Try being out around the ultra orthodox and you’d be taking your life into your hands. They’re like an even more vicious KKK with nuclear weapons. Same-sex marriage isn’t even legal in Israel.
I lived in Saudi for 3 years as an Instructor at a university .
I was so far in the closet (Genderqueer, Omnisexual, Demi-romantic) that I was in Narnia.
It was not my favorite place.
However, the number of conservative Westerners that would use the idea of their "civilized" countries being superior because of their queer rights while simultaneously arguing that places like the USA had "gone too far" was disgusting.
Even if a place was scary to live for me doesn't mean I'm ever going to use that to justify violence against entire groups of people.
But if you had the opportunity to choose one or the other nation to live in, which one would you choose: the country and people who tolerate your lifestyle and have laws in place to protect it, or the monarchy that actively executes people for who they love to screw and throws them off buildings?
@@aceboogisback9946 your question is irrelevant. So if you would rather live in the US, you want Saudi Arabia to go through a genocide? Stay on topic.
@@aceboogisback9946You can't airstrike your way to human rights.
You're not gay. Why would a non gay person care about homophobia?
@@cuppeach6880
OP is qu33r.
I'm pansexual and nonbinary, also qu33r. The people that hate gay people hate me, and hate OP.
Besides, they never stop purging with one set of targets.
Solidarity with all oppressed people
And animals
Intersectionality, period.
@@wet_jojo1015 God no. Intersectionality is the number one thing dividing the west. The more it's pushed, the more people see each other as enemies and instead sympathise with those who want to destroy them.
@@wet_jojo1015Nah, screw that dumb shit. All it did was give weak and stupid people excuses to be weak and stupid, creating more weak and stupid people.
You do realize a place like Gaza would never tolerate queer people. Like. Ever. They would throw you off the highest building in the street. That's not me being a negative asshole. That's the truth.
The freedom of one group of oppressed peoples does not, should not, and CAN NOT come from the colonization and further oppression of another group of peoples. Thank you for another phenomenal episode Matt.
the colonisation and oppression is from the Arab Nazi and Muslim Sharia countries - backuped by antiwestern socialist dictator ships and parties - just like in the 20. century. and btw, without western anticolonialism back then most people would not exist, live still in slavery, human rights were unknown and so on. and apart from that it makes no sense to measure the perpectives of the past with the same as today, there were many other colonialist/imperialist movements (but not as enlighten, pro human rights ideas (they ARE FROM WHITES/THE WEST!) who were much worse. already this single sided history clittering by left wing antisemitic/antizionist, racist movements like the 'intersektionalism' is responsible for most human right violations of the planet, and most existing dictator ships and terror attacks AND attacks on queers! it has consequences if one supports bad ideologies which obviously twist the reality! and 'Palestine' is an islamic/arabic imperialist/colonialist project anyway. one just has to open the eyes. it is NOT a liberation projects (just like it was not back then the Iran when the same left wings together with islam destroyed the pro western government which led to the now anti democratic, anti queer, anti female right, antisemitic/antizionist Sharia Regime, also one who is a real imperialist/colonialist regime. people like you are responsible for that! you support nothing than real oppression, real antiliberalism, antisemitism/antizionism, homophobia and oppression of female and human rights! and everyone could know that.
Can you go to the dictionary and copy and paste the definition of colonialism…. Because clearly your don’t know
so.. when the Arabs colonized the region...
Jewish population in Islamic middle eastern countries in 1948. Algeria 140,000. Egypt 75,000. Iraq 135,000. Morocco 265,000. Syria 30,000. Tunisia 105,000. Yemen 63,000. Lebanon 5,000. Libya 38,000. Today there's approximately 3,000 across those countries. From 850,000! Now look at Palestinians in Israel. 1948 there's 150,000. Today there's 2.6 million. You tell me where the ethnic cleansing is happening? Where's the oppression happening?
As a gay man I can tell you grew up fatherless😂
I have never heard "this is not the oppression olympics" used in this sense, and it opened something in my mind.
This was really excellent.
Princess knows. Excellence knows Excellence.
Has and their enablers are no victims. So many Palestinians want to kill Jews period.
this was disgusting and utterly pathetic. please don't think that all gay people are far-left zombies. Israel is the only one gay-friendly country in the Middle East, only this matters.
perfect example of privileged white activist talking from the comfort of his western house when mercenaries from impoverished families keep him safe(And he probably calls them "boots of opressors and militaryu complex" or some other leftist woke term). we dontt fight for any gay activist or women who dont want to wear hijab. we are not on a secular crusade in the middle east . we are middle eastern. most jews in israel are mizrahi jews who unlike the white privileged european jewish person in the video dont have anywhere else to go,and we had to escape the rest of the middle east because of mass pogroms and legislation against us(privilege christians and yazidis in the middle east didnt have so they were massacred by the hundreds of thousands). they like to bring up 1948- why wont they mention all the massacres by islamists preceding it like 1929 hebron and safed massacre in 1929 or 1921 nabi musa pogroms? we are having secular state on our ancestors lands because its what good for us. and the islamists and pan arab "freedom fighters" massacre millions and the leftist cheer them.
A nuanced, well thought out refutation of the pink washing. As a white cis father of a mtf daughter and an openly bisexual in rural Utah I appreciate actual discourse that can lead to education and possibly change.
I like no one... I have No feelings for gender
It's not right that Jews get literally white washed, and their heritage erased , because many are white passing.
@@Faris_GamingRobloxokay cool?
I appreciate You 💛
You literally have a gay son you harmed by brainwashing them into thinking theyre a woman trapped inside a gay man's body.
Holding up a pride flag that says "in the name of love" after massacring thousands of innocent Gazans (including queer ones) is just insane.
Put yourself in the soldier's shoes: He is fighting people that would see him dead twice over: both for his religion and his sexual orientation.
American LGBT people like to go on about how _"the first Pride was a riot"_ and call for a _"Trans Day of Rage"._ Yet here is an individual proudly defying an extreme-right theocracy, and they are tone-policing him.
@@maxjoechl5663interestingly enough, he is also _supporting_ a far-right theocracy.
@@mikey-wl2jt "far-right theocracy"
You just say theocracy, the far-right is implied.
@@MK_ULTRA420 legit
@@MK_ULTRA420W
As a queer Desi, I know those types of posts and actions are why nonwestern places often conclude LGBT come from colonialism even though colonizers erased those things. A lot of our countries are worried the movements will be psyops
So blame the queer community for these homophobic countries homophobia when they were put in the same place by colonial powers? Please make it make sense
Hi namaste from India Jai shree Ram 🚩🕉️📿🙏🏾
True. As a queer Indian, it's so weird to see American leaders try and justify their colonial dreams as civilizing the 'barbarians' while at the same time treating the same minorities they are claiming to save in our countries worse and worse by day.
@@alinachrist8416what the hell are you talking aboyt the West are the only places that tolerate your sinful ways
Well, Islamic cultures have always criminalized non-heterosexual lifestyles since these are prohibited in Islamic scriptures which outright call them disorderly and unnatural!
I’m glad the UA-cam algorithm has finally stepped up by showing me your account, this is truly some excellent content.
So well articulated! Matt, your bravery in speaking up has inspired thousands of others to do the same. Thank you!
People say Palestinian queers aren’t a thing? Well I’m standing right here….
Can you be more specific about where here is?
Let me guess: You're not standing in Palestine and saying that?
@@AlexReynard Queers in Palestine preferred pronouns: was/were.
@@boatbutch Is/was/were aren’t fucking pronouns
Wtf is wrong with you
Its so cool that Sarah Schulman wrote back to you! I read Conflict is Not Abuse last year. It was a really interesting read even if I didn’t buy all of her points! I'll have to also check out the book you mentioned.
Super happy that you brought up Al Qaws, a Palestinian gay rights NGO whose offices are in Jerusalem and Haifa.
Telling that their offices are in Israel and not a Palestinian city.
Not really, because Palestine doesn't actually control any part of Jerusalem at the moment. @zvezda4701
@@jecarlin jerusalem / Ramallah is in Palestine.... ever seen a map :)
@@jecarlin your mentally slow aren’t you
This popped up on my feed, and so this was my introduction to you. It was a lovely time to meet you and Moe. Thank you for such a thoughtful, nuanced account of the academia, politics, propaganda. Hearing your voice as a queer American Jew was especially important, but it is equally vital to hear a queer Palestinian voice, especially someone with family in Gaza (if you're reading your comments, we grieve with Moe ❤).
Gays for Hamas is like blacks for kkk. Hamas and most Muslim countries kill u for being gay
This was also my first introduction to you, and I'm really glad I clicked!
נעביך
>a queer Palestinian voice, especially someone with family in Gaza
Yeah a queer Palestinian voice, who is now living in Israel, because they had to flee Gaza, lol.
I appreciate dialogue on this issue. I am originally from Pakistan and identify as Muslim and a number of my close family members identify as LGTBQ+. There is a small but growing number of Muslims and South Asians who reject all oppression. We stand with the LGTBQ+ community and some of us are a part of it also.
What is Israel doing for the gay and lesbian Palestinian Muslims? Besides bombing and killing them ?!
Israel and Palestine are im war of religion not in war of racism.
They have laws which protect gay and lesbian Jews and Arabs. What is Palestinian government doing for gays and lesbians? Ah, yes, they are killing them. Almost forgot.
@@chinthorat4the war isn't religious its politically based, religion is simply an excuse to cover up their colonialist mindset.
Lol ur telling me there are lgbtq openly in pakistan ?😂...yes and there is democracy in Afghanistan
Well what they did for them was blackmail queer Palestinians to put them if they don’t do their bidding. Israel is absolutely abhorrent
“I bet you wouldn’t go to Gaza” gives “try that in a small town”
Ya exactly!!!
You wouldn't be welcomed in Gaza
@@carreviewer6345 no one is w-lcome in G-za atm cuz they’re going through a g-nocide
@@eypu999just write the fucking words out goddamnit
@@moreoptions9071 or what?
I first heard the term "Homonationalism" is a video called something along the lines of "the queer politics of Eurovision".
I was so glad for this term because i finally had a word for what i was seeing all around me.
Tho i disagree with the idea of some that Homonationalism is only utilised by Queer white people who agree with all the other oppression going on. I mostly see it by people homophobic themselves.
In germany pointing out homophobia, sexism, religious intolerance etc. in immigrant communities and among refugees is a very common tactic of the AFD who oppose all that in Germany.
Yes, it's a really widespread tactic by right-wingers.
They tell queer people how dangerous immigrants will be to their rights while opposing queer rights themselves.
They tell women immigrants pose a danger to them while they themselves love sexism and oppose feminism.
They tell workers that immigrants will take their jobs while being against protections for workers.
They just use immigrants as scapegoats for everything, including people they hate.
Here is the tea. Two things can be right at the same time, and I feel that some leftist don't understand there is gonna be massive issues that may occur taking a lot of immigrants that are intolerant especially to parts of your culture and don't want to integrate well. This is why in Europe euro sceptics and far right leaders and policies are growing. We have to be careful and understand what the other side is saying. Because if we are just blind to our ideology without noticing that these people actually don't share our values and sometimes fight directly against it and also haven't integrated well. Something needs to be done. Or the one on the right that seem to have a solution as we keep having none but ignoring it can harm our movement by not just the right side of our politics but the people we are bringing in on mass
Hi, i just wanted to say that i think
that being homophic or not has nothing to do with integrating. Most people have prejudices because they were either raised that way or have not had any real interaction with people who have a different sexuality. I'm constantly getting Stereotyped just because of my Religion and Nationality.
If anyone's curious, it's a great video by Verilybitchie, which covers the ways in which Israel used its previous Eurovision win to encroach on Palestine and further 'Brand Israel' and is even more relevant today given it doesn't look like the EBU has any intention of removing them from Malmö 2024.
@@hopeintruth5119 You are forgetting tho that the "dont want to integrate" goes two ways. The concept of integration is an interesting one, because it always puts all the responsibility on the migrant. Never on the culture that demands integration. In Germany, finding a Job Takes longer when you have an Arab sounding Name. Finding a flat Takes longer. Finding a flat in a neighbourhood that isnt known for its immigrant tenants? Thats another can of Worms.
Then you have the attitudes of people, constantly questioning why youre there, If youre Here legally, where your parents are from, assumptions about your values that are shoved onto you. im German but live in the UK, i have some experience with that one.
Euro sceptics dont really Care If migrants integrate themselves. They wouldnt want them even If they did. They dont Talk about the migrants that integrate themselves, of which there are a Lot. But theyre Not newsworthy. Theyre quiet. Instead, you whip Up a storm about criminal Cases that make it on TV. The women who wear traditional clothes and Look different. And you use that to chip away at the concept of the EU, on Migrant Problem at a time. It's a scape goat, and im tired of people pretending that xenophobis would disappear If all migrants suddenly became model citizens.
Countries having their own social media presence isn’t all that unusual, they’re usually run by some sort of foreign affairs department. Since they’re run by the government that would explain why the Israeli governments ones are deranged
Only safe place in the middle east. Perhaps you need to join them in the muslim world. Victim status and hatred of the west your commonality.
Your ability to self reflect and question yourself is so powerful. Pure honesty and integrity.
I just want to say thank you.
the podcast keeps getting better and better. I was looking forward for this episode and I really love the light you showed in the war that Israel declared on Palestine. The way you explained everything wrong with the whole propaganda images of Isreali soldiers carrying pride flags in the rumbles of Gaza streets, was incredibly well put together and the fact that you invited someone with family from Gaza was very thoughtfull and is something that is rare to see even in this overheated climate. The interview just like any other was well constructed and the questions were just right, I cannnot explain how incredible this podcast is, it is very clear that you put a lot of work and efford in your content and I cant thank you enough. I am waiting forward for the next one❤.
Matt literally mocked a bloodstain of a dead Israeli from October 7th. he is a monster.
Seeing the pride isreal flag / pride flag on top of ruined Gaza seems like a slap in the face…..
how come you've never seen a pride flag in gaza before?
@@TheSilentBattle Good question.
@@TheSilentBattle What have you seen of Gaza besides demolished landscapes??? Nothing I'll bet.
It is a slap in the face, and that's what it's there for
@@TheSilentBattleyou literally did not get the point on why that was problematic 💀
"The family is sick from the smell of death." Wow my heart hurts 😣
this is such an important video! As queer people we have to fight for the liberation ALL!! None of us are free until all of us are free!
That could only work if they were saying that about us, and they aren't.
@@seto749 If all of us wait for other people to fight for our rights before we fight for theirs, then nothing will ever happen. Solidarity has to start somewhere. It has to start with us.
@@seto749who's "they"
@@katrineknudsen1380 It is true that everyone can't follow the "Speak only when you're spoken to" rule, but you do know what happens when the weakest group unilaterally disarms first. The best we'll ever get is Jam Every Other Day.
@@elpocakoca120 Almost everyone else to whom we're being told we should make ourselves subservient. The video is correct that colonization isn't the answer, and there are things those who may be a step or two ahead on the path need to understand about the situation of those working to catch up. But this video takes explanations of non-white homophobia as valid excuses for it. That is going too far.
I recall watching the Netflix doc how to become a tyrant talking about the all women bodyguards of Muammar Gaddafi and how it was paraded as a strong example of female empowerment, and this propaganda stuff with the female IDF soldiers feels so similar 😵💫
You're thinking of it from the wrong direction. Gaddafi genuinely was quite progressive in many areas but ofc the west had to make him appear super evil bc he wanted to nationalise the land.
@@felixhenson9926 that's pretty interesting, I admit not being the most informed on this subject and I have been pretty dubious of American depictions/coverage of foreign governments, especially those that we declared war against, tripled if they are remotely socialist leaning. I do think it's fair to say the modern western perspective on him is flawed, but I still believe that the female empowerment campaign in the military still serves its purpose more as propaganda rather than actual desire for gender equality
Not directly linked to Palestine and Israel but more on the homonationalism point- a while ago I was invited to give a talk to a section of the company I work for because I’m actively involved in the company’s LGBTQ network, where I’ve written articles and done podcasts to talk about queer history and politics within the company’s intranet. I was invited to talk about queer issues and a representative from the women’s network was invited to talk about sexism/feminism and both of us were supposed to talk about these things through the lens of the Qatar World Cup (because that’s what was on at the time). I was asked in front of hundreds of people questions about how does it make me feel to have all this go on in a country where I couldn’t be myself and my answer to them was, I’m a lot less concerned for me in the UK thinking about what I’d do if I hypothetically went to Qatar than I am about the LGBTQ people already living there. I can decide to go or not but there’s people already there.
And I felt that was important to point out because I didn’t like this inference of us v them, east v west either you’re brown and religious and homophobic or you’re white secular and love is love… because my gay ass has been hate crimed in the UK! I know a ton of Muslims who are either LGBT themselves or are allies. And the idea of separating this just reinforces racism and makes the queer people who are Muslim or who do live in these countries were told “do you know what they’d do to you there!?” Invisible
I needed this so badly. Was outta content to listen to at work
Tysm for posting this 😭
Hamas is not LGBTQ-friendly. The organization's stance on LGBTQ issues is aligned with conservative Islamic principles, which generally do not support LGBTQ rights. In Gaza, where Hamas is the governing authority, same-sex relationships are illegal and LGBTQ individuals face significant discrimination, social stigma, and legal repercussions.
Reports indicate that LGBTQ individuals in Gaza often live in fear of persecution. Human rights organizations have documented cases of harassment, arrest, and abuse of LGBTQ people by both Hamas authorities and society at large.
Isn’t this a comparable situation to Jews giving aid to the nazi ideology? (Not calling people in Gaza literal nazis but the nazi ideology hates Jews and the Gaza ideology hates gays) because they are people with rights at the end of the day? They just carried out their ideology because they had the money and resources to do so, that’s one of the only reasons why people in Gaza aren’t doing the same thing currently in mass proportions. For example, any openly lgbtq person would likely be brutally killed in gaza yet the lgbq still parade around putting their reputation on the line for it… this just doesn’t make since, I understand caring for human rights but what’s the point if their RELIGION is against their very existence? If anyone has a decent response besides just side tracking the convo or attacking character, I would like to know how you feel. (I don’t support nazis in any form fyi)
Neither is Israel. In fact, the only ones murdering Palestinian LGBTQ right now are the Israelis. Fun fact: Gay marriage is illegal in Israel. Gay Pride is only allowed so the Zionist state can present itself to the millions of gullible Westerners and their elected officials as being more "civilized" and European than the dark--skinned Mohammedan native conservative Palestinians.
Sunan Abi Dawud 4462
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.
Abu Dawud said: A similar tradition has also been transmitted by Sulaiman b. Bilal from 'Amr b. Abi 'Umar. And 'Abbad b. Mansur transmitted it from 'Ikrimah on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas who transmitted it from the Prophet (ﷺ). It has also been transmitted by Ibn Juraij from Ibrahim from Dawud b. Al-Husain from 'Ikrimah on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas who transmitted it from the Prophet (ﷺ).
This is true but if your response to that is to kill a bunch of the civilians who you claim are being victimized, then you've obviously only made the problem worse, which is the WHOLE point of the video. War crimes don't make their victims more progressive.
Literally how does that justify the thousands of lives in gaza taken from Israel's bombings?
Human rights are never conditional, and the requirement that victims be faultless to support their rights is ridiculous. I remember when Mandela came to Australia after finally being freed, and failed to address the First Nations grievances at all, for which I understand those that criticised his lack of care for some of his strongest supporters here however he was also right when he said 'our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians'. We must end this conflict, and push to decolonise for the sake of everyone because these atrocities only fuel more hatred and violence in the future.
The truth is, no one of us can be free until everybody is free. - Maya Angelou
So.....Never?
@@drmodestoesq Pretty much, since change requires a willingness to address to issues.
>and the requirement that victims be faultless to support their rights is ridiculous
Yes, the LGBTQ people in Israel don't need to be faultless not to be driven into the sea. Yet that's what Queers for Palestine wants anyways.
>and push to decolonise for the sake of everyone
"Everyone" is literally only religious extremist and rich Arab families. Those are the only ones profiting from the destruction of Israel.
Are you Australian?
THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING ON THIS I LOVE YOU EVEN MORE NOW.
30:50 referring to homophobia as "cultural norms" that we need to "respect". despicable. you can support palestine without homophobic apologia. also, the history of free palestine in particular the PLO not mentioned once? would have been apt. 2 unbelievably out of touch people. would have been nice having an expert on.
AS A QUEER TRANS MUSLIM I AM DISCOVERING THAT I AM ONLY JUST DISCOVERING THROUGH THIS VIDEO AND THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE SUCH A LARGE COMMUNITY BOTH FROM WITHIN AND BEYOND PALESTINE. I LOVE YOU ALL. I WISH I COULD HUG EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU AND I WISH WE CAN ALL COMMUNE ONE DAY. COMMUNITY IS ALL WE HAVE AGAINST THE WORLD.
Queer trans Muslim is just like a Muslim eating pork
LOL!! I got $100 for you if you act gay in a filled Mosque!!
as a queer muslim i also feel the same way, sending love
Buddy read the Quran. Or watch @apostateprophet
You can’t be a Muslim and part of the LGBTQ
queer muslim sound like a oxymoron
One thing that might be somewhat outside of the scope of this episode, but feels relevant, is that this "divide and conquer" approach is consistently displayed by Israeli leadership, and has been for a long time. It has been reported on some, but rarely on particularly far reaching places, how earlier in his time in politics there, Bibi was part of an effort to actively push forward an Islamic fundamentalist leadership in Gaza, in order to attempt to divide the Palestinian people (who had been organizing under more secular groups), and make it easier for them to continue to maintain the supposed "lack of reasonable people on the other side" which has been constantly used to avoid actually work towards an end to the violence. It is a settler colonial project which was explicitly and openly founded upon that, then as the worldwide attitudes have shifted there has been an ever increasing effort to just jangle more keys to distract the world from that fact. It is despicable, and I am glad to see more people seeing through it, I just hope that this awareness can help bring an end to the slaughter before its too late.
Glad to have found my way to this channel recently, stay safe in this increasingly hostile north america y'all! Free Palestine!
P.S. the other bit that I heard, though dont have tonnes of confirmation, is that the Israeli government will actively report queer folks who refuse to assist them, to the specific groups that are virulently homophobic, with the active intentions and desire for it to get people killed.
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice anywhere” MLK jr.
I also want to add a thank you for opening my eyes to some things I hadn’t considered. I consider myself an ally and progressive in a lot of ways but recognize we all carry implicit bias. I think both things can be true at the same time. People of Palestine do not deserve to be wiped out and destroyed as a people and also carry some religious influences that are harmful to LGBTQ + folks. I do understand the racial component and saw how Muslim folks were talked about after 911 and even then I could think critically that one group of people doesn’t mean people deserve to be treated with such hatred. Hopefully I’m making sense, but I think we can feel sadness for Palestinian people and also feel sadness for the oppression placed on people due to their religion. I think religion is the discussion here and the patriarchal and oppressive practices that make it hard for me to see things from different angles. Thank you for your open and informative talks!!
I do not want to make light of the suffering of people in Gaza, and I won't, it's heartbreaking, nor will I make light of the suffering of the people who were affected by Hamas' October 7th attack (though that Israel/pride flag was cringy). This said, having actually spent a lot of time in the Middle East, including Israel, I can tell you with some authority, that while I can understand having sympathy for the Palestinian people, I find it incredulous that anyone here who doesn't at least accept that as an LGBTQ person, you would have to live in a very deep closet just to survive in Gaza or the West Bank, or for that matter, every single country in the Middle East except Israel. And with that said, it makes it very hard to understand how, regardless of how you feel about the current war, you cannot acknowledge that Israel is the only place you could live in the region in freedom, and that any country that protects your rights deserves your support, even if you disagree with its current policies.
"you would have to live in a very deep closet just to survive in Gaza"
didn't you noticed that is exactly what the people of gaza experience under Israel's bombs.
"If the butchered people from 10/7 were in the closet they'd still be alive." - that's how you sound, with stupid comparisons like that.@@metaldemort
@@jesseshepherd5522
A closet is not a place to live: fortunately, thanks to Israel's liberation army, there will not be any closet left in Gaza soon.
I'm so glad to see our LGBTQIA+ rights so well protected for us.
Thank you so much Israel.
Are you pretending to post in UA-cam comments from Gaza? Or do you actually claim to be one of the Palestinians who just had their closet blown apart?@@metaldemort
@@jesseshepherd5522
You seem to seriously think anybody who dare to counter Israel's pinkwashing has to be or is pretending to be gazan?
im surprised nobody mentions the gay and miner mutual support that develped in the uk '70-'80s(?) around the "queers for palestine" discussion - supporting them could possibly improve the lgbtq rights and general considerations
Yup, that's exactly what I was thinking of when I heard this discussion. It's a great argument actually.
At some point I feel like people who tell me to go live in Palestine as a queer person just enjoy the thought of me experiencing violence for being queer
I don't think so. Genuine question though, you are in a liberal part of the world that mostly protects your rights. What do you think you can achieve for those who live in literal Hell on Earth from the security of your home? Who are those you are trying to move, and do you think they care? I doubt you have any actual power to make a difference, so who do you hope would take care of things and possibly put themselves in harm's way? Politicians? The military? If so you'd do more by actually going there yourself, but ofc you won't, nobody expects you to do it. I'm not saying you can't protest but I wonder how big of a difference you're really making for this out of proportion conflict.
They only meant you have no idea what Israel is dealing with. You stand for people who raped, beheaded, murdered, kidnapped people and celebrate death on the streets. All documented. Palestinian Arabs even shared it on social media. Do you prefer not to see it?
@@andjelabozic2317 just them going there in person isn't gonna fix the situation much though, they might just get killed as well for simply being in the area...
@@a84jdu3uc7d They can volunteer to join the military. There's a significant number of them, they can get proper training and go there to provide aid.
Of course they could die, but that's a risk they should be willing to take if they care so much. What, you think people on either side of the war go there ready to die? That they go there just because it's that easy?
No, they enjoy the thought of you experiencing violence for supporting terrorists.
Commenting for the engagement. I would love this conversation to reach more people.
I would love for you to stop acting out. N-word wannabe.
Thank you for using your platform ❤
Edit: Thank you Moe for sharing your story! It's incredibly valuable
Thanks for making an episode on this. Extremely important
Sara Schulman is such a G. “Conflict is not abuse” is one of my faves
This openness to talk about pinkwashing as it relates to the Israel and Palestine conflict is appreciated, the layers are topics that needs to be talked about and this segment was very interesting to listen to.
As an Iranian I have to ask my fellow queers, if Palestine becomes free will you live there? I'm sure the answer would be no. So then I have to ask, why would you create a space that will oppress current and future marginalized groups? It's hypocrisy, especially when you live in a country that provides rights and freedoms
True. If global people who are not Palestinians support a one state solution--as both of these two discussants appear to--shouldn't they introduce a strategy to facilitate Hamas opening up on lgbtq+ and femnist issues?
Gaza and Hamas are almost completely funded by foreign grants and generates little organic tax revenue. If the world told Hamas to open up on lbgtq+ and femnism, Hamas would have to comply. Why won't the world do this?
@@AnAn___ Exactly, if Palestine becomes free it won't be a secular democracy, it will be a oppressive Islamic theocracy
They dont understand, they havent been burdened by this culture of hate yet. Ironically the lgbt are gonna be the first to be deleted when their muslim allies show up to rule them.
FR they want the only middle eastern country that IS LGBT friendly to be gone 💀
I only heard this about gay people being unsafe from the west, I come from a country that is Arab-Muslim. There is no gay/trans person in our countries that are being oppressed they made up those ideas that people are being dropped from the roof top, which to me is so odd because I never even heard it?! because it doesn't exist at all ( ofc I do not mean unstable countries because all human rights don't exist there for anyone). I grew up with friends being gay in my school, uni, work and never felt any type of disgust or hate towards them. Someone very close to me is trans, same-sex marriage is not only not allowed in the Middle-east but also in Some African countries and even in some western countries and states in USA, Israel and even Italy where people are mostly liberal. This is not a new phenomena where Queers are ostracized in society.
Same sex marriage is recognized in Israel. Where the f so people get this from? For a long time you couldn’t get married in Israel (you have to travel abroad to get married which isreal would recognize), but that’s not even the case anymore.
I had to stop watching and comment when homonationalism came up. Are you really surprised that people in a country where we secured these rights are going to feel that this country (whomever's country it is) is better than a country where being out carries the real threat of a death sentence, sanctioned by the state?
This podcast keeps getting better 💫
The meme of that guy with the skateboard... you mean Steve Buscemi? 😂😂
Ask your Muslim friend what is a "LUTTY"?
as an Israeli Arab ,I know alot of gay palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank. they ALL live in Tel Aviv!
Not being allowed to leave isn't the same as being free lol I'm sure plenty of gays live in Moscow too, that doesn't make it a haven for them.
You are not Arab.
israel is the only refuge for lgbt people from the middle east
@@SirSpenace You compare the authoritarian Moscow regime to a country that has many flaws but is a democracy that respects the rights of LGBT people in the case of us gays, and this is what is most important to me as an LGBT person - our rights and safety!
@@atajzur2980 Israel has absolutely zero "respect" for LGBTQ+ people. They've shared outright transphobic videos on their official twitter profiles lol
Don't fool yourself, queerness has no place in Zionist colonialism.
pride flags over rubble are the most offensive thing I've seen in my whole queer life
Grateful for each episode & the care you put into these but especially this one, thank you ❤
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Hey, I just want to let you know that I’m writing an essay involving this video, and also that one of my university profs has included some of your videos in her lectures, so thank you for your videos! They are important
Very interesting and good video. Content like this is very much needed
Thank you so much for using your platform for good. I have so much respect for you and for using your voice!! Earlier, I saw the stories on Queering the Map in Gaza... and the stories of the queer people who had to see their crushes die absolutely broke my heart. It makes me so furious that pinkwashing Israelis are trying to use this narrative when they are the reason that Palestinians can't move beyond basic survival.
Really? Israel's the reason? It's not Hamas taking all the money that's supposed to go to Gazans' infrastructure and spending it on tunnels and rockets?
I think you have done a great job of translating some of the big academic concepts into accessible language for general audiences. Will recommend this video to my students and colleagues.
Thank you Matt, for all you are doing
I normally don't comment on videos, but I just wanted to thank you, Matt. Your videos empower me with the language to express my feelings about these issues. This video in particular is important to me. I go to a campus with a lot of conservative Israel-supporting Jews, most of whom are in my small honors cohort. One of them (who is extremely homophobic & bigoted to the point where even the other conservatives are put off by their stances sometimes) tried to use this argument. This person and I didn't get to fully hash this argument out, but I'm sure I will encounter this argument again, so now I can better word my feelings.
There is Nothing wrong with Homosexuality what folks like you do is y'all's business I'm not that way though.
But people shouldn't support Hamas or those Associated with them.
They are Genocidal & Homophobic.
People in the Middle East that are Gay or Christians have had to go to places like Israel or America.
It is also important for you to know the IDF has sent out Leaflets Calls Texts Emails to reduce civilian casualties.
They have among the lowest civilian to combatant ratios compared to other countries.
The population of Gaza is also projected to go from 2.1 million to 2.18 Million.
In war there is going to be Collateral Damage which is the Undesired or Accidental Consequences of conflict.
Terrorism is the willful purposeful targeting &/or exploitation of civilians to achieve Political &/or Religious motives.
The Difference between the IDF & Hamas is both intent & principle.
I also want you to imagine what would happen if the Allied Powers did not go after the Axis Powers.
I also want you to ask what would have happened if we didn't go after ISIS.
Both cases involved civilian casualties.
As a girl from Bethlehem in Pale🍉، stine, I really want to thank you both for this most wonderful video and discussing this topic and how minorities are exploited for colo، nial purposes.♥️
I used Google Translate so if there is a mistake let me know😊
Minorities are "exploited" when people protect them? And you'd rather have them oppressed and murdered?
You don't give a shit about anyone, why keep up the pretense?
Israel and israelis are no colony within the 1967 borders and have full right to exist. Please quit the support for hamas and its actions and it will clear the path to justice. Israelis cant perish in the name of palestinian liberstion
no one is exploiting palestinians for resources. security measures have been put to protect israel and israelis which have full right to live and exist. yes, also extremist jewish settlers do some trouble and I opposed them. but october the 7th happened in the legal part of Israel, where leftists pro peace people live
Such an enlightening episode, thank you for platforming Moe.
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I think a big part of this is also Islamophobia. Like any other big religion, there are leftist/liberal muslims. I've been pretty much atheist my whole life but I know so many muslims who are feminists, who care about gay/trans rights, it's very hard for me to associate all of Islam to inherently conservative ideologies like many people do. Besides, we don't fight homophobia in Christianity by enacting violence on Christians. I'm so glad for the most part we aren't letting these differences divide us in the fight for justice and liberation for all.
That's very true, though it must also be states that being LGBT has very low acceptance in Palestine, Saudi Arabia, etc
Omg I'm muslim (by birth) and trust me in the religion its actually forbidden to be homophobic and transphobic becuase we're bulding aggression (and oppressing) other people. Even treating them diffrently is seen as heinous in the faith.
They are feminists because they do not understand the Quran
bet you live on the west most islâmic countries are homophobic.
You aren't fighting for justice or liberation AT ALL.
You can't even admit that Islam is against gays. You have ZERO principles. When it gets even the tiniest bit uncomfortable, your support for anything you pretend to stand for goes out of the window.
Thank you for providing another source to refer to on homonationalism and how Israel use pink washing to justify and distract from their war crimes in Palestine. Both this podcast episode and your instagram posts has been valuable in sharing this information, in my local queer community and beyond
I'm sorry the cost of distributing this information is queerphobic pushback. Please know that for any negative feedback you've received, you've touched many more lives in a positive way by platforming this knowledge. Thank you for your work
The fucked up, weak people of society should never be given any power. Your decadence is the same shit that contributed to the fall of Rome.
As a queer Palestinian living in occupied Palestine, I’ve only been treated badly for being queer by zionists (especially Orthodox Jews). I have friends who have been called Arab whores (gay guys) and other homophobic racist slurs. Palestinians, although not the most accepting people of queerness (they were until the British came and enforced laws that criminalize queer behaviors) will not show discontent or hatred to your face, they might hate your guts but are polite enough not to show it. The other community on the other hand is very homophobic and in your face about it.
Hope ur ok and u get out of there one day :(
"Occupied Palestine"- basically since you live in an area under Israeli control, no homophobic Arab has killed you yet. Since when did the Palestinian state ever had gay rights?? They hunt gay men like animals in the West Bank.
New to your channel. I'm 53 and my two senselessness will add to the algorithm. Appreciate the way you communicate with simple language as you go over the topic. Professor Greg Carr does the same.
Really glad that You're using Your platform mindfully, to educate others.
Still can't get over what Noah freaking Shnapp posted: "You either stand with Israel or You stand with terrorism" 💀
42:24 WHAT THE HECK
Sunan Abi Dawud 4462
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.
Abu Dawud said: A similar tradition has also been transmitted by Sulaiman b. Bilal from 'Amr b. Abi 'Umar. And 'Abbad b. Mansur transmitted it from 'Ikrimah on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas who transmitted it from the Prophet (ﷺ). It has also been transmitted by Ibn Juraij from Ibrahim from Dawud b. Al-Husain from 'Ikrimah on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas who transmitted it from the Prophet (ﷺ).
Chickens for KFC 🐓🍗🏳️🌈🇵🇸
Disgusting religion
Thank you. You are eloquent and your words seem both heartfelt and careful. That combination is too rare ❤
Had a muslim lover few years ago, who grew up in muslim world. He was forced to do things he didn’t want under threat of life. He said if he opens about himself there, he’d be dead.
That doesn’t justify another people’s oppression
@@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 no one said it did. Israel is trying to protect and rescue its citizens lives from a population that claims th.3y r illegitimate colonialists that dont belong, and want to c.0nq4er the territory of the state of Israel. Lgbt rights was nt 3.v3r the justification for @.ny of Israels actions
@@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 you realize people flee palestine to live in isreal due to persecution and oppress created by hamas right?
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Lol it does
Wow this comments section really didn't pass the vibe check. For my two cents: loved the video guys 🥰❤️ it's supremely informative and nice to hear a queer Palestinian echoing what many of us in the community feel, namely the sentiment of: "stop weaponising us when it suddenly suits your genny-cidal narrative to be Queer friendly" 😅... Bc the chief people I see online these days pulling the "you'd be unalived in Gaza" card tend to be the same ones who are transparently homophobic, transphobic and generally queerphobic 24/7 in any situation outside of using it as a "gotcha" regarding Palestine. They're trying to "use" my identity to justify colonisation, war crimes and absolute horror, and I'm not ok with it.
As someone else in the comments mentioned: you can't "fight for the rights" of the queer people of Palestine if you already buried them under a pile of rubble. That's not how "liberation" works...🤦🏻♀️The prerequisite for progress in queer rights for Palestinians is above and beyond all other things: peace, a permanent ceasefire, and a full restoration of every Palestinian's human rights. Only then is it worth debating those issues, until then it's a deflection of guilt on the part of Isrl and has absolutely no place in any discourse right now.
Ps: just started reading "Queer Palestine and the Empire of Critique" by Sa'ed Atshan today and I'm curious to see how his analysis lands. I'm barely in the preface and already I've learned about organisations like Al-Qaws and Aswat who are apparently Palestinian LGBTQ+ organisations I'd not heard of until now 🥰❤️ can't wait to learn more!! And glad you gave them a shout out too!
Pps: urgh... I commented this just before the end. Hearing you mention the toll as "ten thousand" people hurts so so much, knowing that as of right now, August 2024, we've already quadrupled that figure and it's showing few signs of slowing 😭💔
Yeah the comments section on this one is unhinged, sad really as this is a brilliant video
I respect you with all of my heart, thank you. -a West Bank Palestinian 🇵🇸
Bless you, stay safe and strong
@hkh5199 Tell hamas to stop attacking Israel and accept they have the right to defend themselves.
@@jacobglenn4152 I do not speak for Hamas, and I don’t represent them. I am Palestinian with also a right to defend myself when an Israeli soldier verbally assaults me and my mother just for not speaking Hebrew. Just to let you know, we were on the way to the church when that happened.
@hkh5199 Sure, you don't represent hamas directly, but the only way this war ends is when Hamas stops attacking. Sorry about what happened to you and your mom, but compared to what happened on October 7th. Sorry, but the consequences of hamas attacking Isreal are that Isreal is attacking you back. Sorry about this, but the sooner you and the rest of the palestinians reject Hamas, the sooner this conflict ends.
@jacobglenn there is no hamas in the west bank. Besides that, asking Palestinians to accept their death so Israelis will stop hastening it is mentally deranged. I don't blame you for being morally bankrupt tho, that is the goal of Israeli propoganda- point everything on Hamas. Something Russia certainly also takes a page out of, justifying their response on Ukraine on the Nazis, but I'm sure you support the Ukrainian right to defend itself. It's easier when the people look like you.
The thing about this podcast is that every episode that comes out, just based off of the title, immediately becomes a must for me to watch and listen to entirely. And I am constantly impressed by the relevance of the content and how well-structured and researched it is.
This one though has been most impressive, as the subject is very tough to approach just because of how deeply the narrative has been manipulated and forged internationally for decacdes. I applaude you for your intelligence and clear vision.
Just please stop referring to Israrlies as white.. this is so strange. Most of us are from Arab countries and are what you call "brown". Our issues are not a copy and paste version of your issues.
He didn’t, the book does.
funny how mizrahim and sepharadim jews love to call themselves white in the west, you're only arabic when it suits you huh ? also bibi's supporters don't say "kill all hamas" or even "kill all muslims" they say "kill all arabs", as a christian arab you guys are white to me.
Powerful video, ty
Im currently taking a class on gender and sexuality in the MENA region and a term that we discuss thati think helps to describe the contrast between western "progressive" countries and the middle east is "fractal orientalism" i highly suggest you look into the term as it goes hand in hand with homonationalism and pink washing
The particular hipocrisy of the West which colonized the middle east and introduced anti-gay laws to that part of the world (the anti-LGBTQIA laws in Palestine are remnants from the British Mandate) is fascinating. This is not to say that these were "LGBT paradises" in pre-colonial days, but it was a non-issue before Western colonial powers codified homofobia in laws imposed on those countries. Now we turn around and condemn those parts of the world we colonised and where we created anti-LGBT judicial structures for the same structures we created.
Then why do the Palestinians uphold the anti-gay laws from the colonial period??
@@lockdown1776 because that’s how tradition is created. I would recommend reading Eric Hobsbawm’s The Invention of Tradition.
THIS!!! I do not see enough people taking about this.
@@franciscosantossilva4202 Why not break their oppressive tradition? If you’re holding a tradition from colonizers even though they left, you are complicit with them.
Ahahah, OMG, dude, when was the middle east colonized by the West? In the short period between the fall of the Ottoman Empire after WW1 around 1918 and 1948 as the British left? Those 30 years imposed a tradition of anti-LGBTQABCDEFU laws? What the fuck are you talking about?
I was very pleasantly surprised by the discussion. Really awesome to see this discussion!
Just want to say that I appreciate you making this & I'm sorry about the crazy comments like wow
"Either you stand for humanity or you don't. You either care about human rights or you don't. And if you care about queer rights you need to first and foremost care about the lives of these people. They can't have rights if they are dead"
The whole podcast was fantastic and well worth a listen in full, but if anyone has to take away one quick message, it should be this
Israeli peoples right to live is just as important, and this is what the IDF is trying to secure by er. @sing Hamas. Hamas holds responsability for the toll in gaza by turning civillian infrastructure into militsry bases.
@@TheAshube9 did you enjoy digging up an 8 month old comment just to parrot some bs that you read somewhere on the internet just so you could justify a GENOCIDE?
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
This is extremely, extremely good. Matt - you are a treasure.
No, he's justifying the oppression of gay people in Islamic majority countries.
What's happening in Gaza hasn't left my mind for a long time and it's been very distressing, especially since in this case it is so much harder to do anything to help, I feel very powerless. Here in Germany it's especially hard to speak up publically and protest for Palestine and against the actions of the Israeli government, for obvious reasons.. You'd think that if anything, Germany should recognise and condemn a genocide when we see one, but that doesn't seem to be the case...
Nur gibt es keinen Genozid. Zum besseren Verständnis des Konflikts und der Geschichte empfehle ich Tobias Huch und Mark Reicher.
Es sei denn man möchte Terroristen unterstützen. Das tut man nämlich auf den entsprechenden Demos. Da finden sich unter Anderem Flaggen von ISIS, den Taliban und Hamas. Wenn man mit Terroristen übereinstimmt sollte man vielleicht seinen Standpunkt überdenken.
Letzten Endes muss man aber auch sagen dass man damit nicht mal die Palästinenser unterstützt. Denn die leiden auch unter Hamas.
Gosh, maybe Germany's just learned their lesson to be cautious about people who openly state that they want to exterminate the Jews, and gain support by claiming to be the victims of Jewish oppression.
Calling it a genocide is taking a clear side and identifying it as good vs evil. This is very far from being the case
Did American GIs hide behind Jews from German artillery? Did Soviet soldiers use concentration camp internees as human shields?
The comparison makes it clear how absurd it is to call Israel genocidal.
Matt, I know this is 9mo old but I love you for this.
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3:38 Yes dear Matt. You live in the U.S, which doesnt get attacked on daily basis by Terrorattacks for simply existing. The majority of Israelis are descendants (who doesnt have another Nationalty anymore) from Jews that have been aggressively kicked out from There homes in Europe and in the Middle East simply because they were jewish. Do you know how it is to live in a Nation which is still getting bombarded for there existence? From Gaza and from Lebanon. It’s just a bit hypocritical to sit as a jewish person in America in your Home were you dont have to fight of Terrorgroups for your own Existence. I dont say what Israel is doing ist the best solution but what else would it be we dont live there it’s difficult to recommend the exact solution.
I have been watching your videos for a few months now and really enjoyed them.
I did not except to see such a well- informed, researched, empathetic point of view on such a complex subject when almost all media and celebrities fail at it.
I'm in awe and wish you all the success
"Dead people can't have rights." A very good point
In Gaza, governed by Hamas, homosexuality is explicitly criminalized, and individuals can face imprisonment and other legal penalties.
Ok… still does not absolve Israel of genocide, and LGBT+ people don’t have to stop their empathy for people who may not support them.
@@Rastaferrari829 except israel is not committinf genocide but dealing with an organization that in addition to being homophobic, has perpetrsted medieval atrocities and has promised to repeat th. 3m and is holding over 100 hostages. And has turnt the civillian.i frastructure including hospitals, schools and humanitarian areas into militsry bases
@@Rastaferrari829 it does not, and its not the argument. the israeli argument is the right to get rid of ppl that did october the 7th and are holding h. 0stages, when said people have turnt schools, hospitals and humanitarian zones into military bases with human shields
@@TheAshube9 Comprehension is key because your response has nothing to do with what I said. MY argument was that LGBT+ individuals can support Palestinian right to existence and sovereignty regardless of how they identify. The “Israeli argument” you’re making again does not absolve Israel of their crimes of excessive force in their midst to “get the bad guys”.
@@Rastaferrari829 I agree in principle, but its kind of cringe to protest in representation of a group that is so h8t3d in palestine, u can do so as an individual, I´m also sure theyd appreciate it more. also, "excessive force" is debatable. I dont have the answers but Israel has a right to survive and free its h. 0stages aswell. and the responsability for causing the t. 0ll by employing civillian infrastructure is on hamas first and foremost
"the meme with the guy with the skate board"
Kids these days don't recognize Steve Buscemi. Oh dear
Well duh he's not been in anything for over a decade
The glamorization of the soldiers is just the old british empire propaganda paintings where they have a squad of redcoats bravely fighting off a thousand zulus, when in reality there were loads of them and they were mowing people down with machine guns. Only difference is instead of physical beauty it's romanticized ideas of martial masculinity. Same old trick though, but for a new age and modern values.
How do you feel about Zulu imperialism?
The British didn't have machine guns during the Anglo-Zulu war. Most of the art is of the battle of Rorke's Drift where some 250 British defeated 3-4000 Zulus and the Zulus also had rifles btw.
I wouldnt consider october the 7th perpetrstors as people honestly. And if they operated from open areas civillians would be safe
I know that your religion makes it impossible for you to admit, but the Zulus actually won battles against the Brits. In particular they won a major battle before Rorke's Drift. A corollary of the "West bad" ideology seems to be that the West is infititely superior in power to everyone else in the world and never loses to them.
it is not at all ignorant or stupid for queer people to stand in solidarity with Palestine.
Gay rights in Israel doesn't make up for the nakba, the apartheid, the settlements, the administrative detention, the current ethnic cleansing, the genocidal rhetoric of the Israeli politicians.
Correct; it's ignorant and stupid for queer people to stand in solidarity with Palestine because they stand in solidarity with Hamas. It's ignorant and stupid for *anyone* to believe the propaganda of people whose stated goal is the extermination of Jews.
😂😂😂 yh really
Yes it doesn't but it doesn't mean we support a terr0rist group who would murder us on sight. Queer people shouldn't involve themselves in this when it has nothing to do with us.
Chickens for KFC man
@@jacobglenn4152 this comment is terrible
So what I saw in the comments is that some people (not all) who praise diversity are not only putting people in a box but are also totally xenophobic towards a certain group of people.
just one question, can yout find any picture that shows a bearded islamist dude (or non male cisgednder islamist) or any "palestinian" no matter their sexual identification, showing the rainbow flag?
It is true that most (probably vast majority) of Palestinians aren't pro LGBT. Does this mean they deserve to die?
@@mwagaha3343It means if you are white for example.. will you support an anti white community that might kill white people or outcast them? I think it says something about this society.. And that maybe if they support this kind of behavior then what else they support..
tolerance paradox, can't tolerate the intolerant.
Thank you so much for this. Really. It consumed myself over the past weeks, not being able to put all you said in an organized speech. This has just relieved the pressure on my heart. Thank you.