Abilities considered by The Algorithm for this list: Giant Form, Scouter, Dodge, Guard, High DR, Ghost Usher, Revive, Taunt, Stacking, Nullification, Healing, Action Disabling,
@@dms8872a lot of them only last for one turn, so sometimes the enemy can still super, aoe, heal or whatever else it can do even after you use a rage mode
Dude, your channel is seriously special, not to overhype but I've never seen a Dokkan channel or any DB gacha channel have this kind of editing and covering topics that the fandom talks about, but the channels themselves rarely make videos on, means your channel is unique and a ton of people are going to be flocking here in the next few months I think. Keep making content and keep improving man! I can't wait to see the progress you make 👏
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One of strongest abilities: *exists RZ Buu getting 69420% ATK while healing for full hp and early blue zone bosses losing all ATK debuffs in one turn: SHEEEEEEESHHHH
Something you forgot to mention is that Giant Form allows you to bypass character locking cuz if you switch the giant form characters you're actually switching your main rotation characters too, so if a slot 3 gets locked in slot 1 you can just pop a giant form and move the first character portrait to slot 3 and then when the giant form ends they'll have their spots changed
The red zone mission vs Babidi's forces where you had to win with 5 INT units in 7 turns was a nightmare. On my winning run i had to put cheelai in slot 1 for 10 attacks. She dodged 8 including the super!
I really liked your video, because before i watched it, i thought damage reduction would be at least a 5, but you explained all the abilities above it so well and why they are better, that i cant disagree. Imo giant form is really good but i do feel the lack of damage and thats understandable, u can take it all, not die and deal damage!, but currently vs gofrieza, giant form is for defence only, and thats pretty sad. I hope we get a giant form that will deal tons of damage one day
For me Lr Phy Gogeta blue active skill is the strongest thing you can do in the game is just so busted, basically does what piccolo does but with a masive amount of damage
The only time the self target ability is useless is when you face a boss with aoe attacks like str and int omega, but even then, it's just a busted ability.
Bare minimum I think revival is top 5. If you are one of those people like Truth who does everything without items and support memories. To me a revival is powerful ability to have in your back pocket when taking into account how powerful bosses are and how some does cheeky things like sealing, locking, canceling dodge and so on.
ghost usher is the true number one. I'm sorry, the algorithm is wrong. no other ability can fully prevent you from dying. you can still die in the taunt specially when the games reaches new metas, dodge units can still die if they don't or can't dodge, and giant forms deals almost no damage, even if the enemy is glitched, normals can still kill. Yes i'm saying this only because buu exists, he is the one that makes the ability shiny the most, having two turns (if you are using i'm as a leader) where you simply cannot die is just too good. Furthermore almost all other abilities relly on others, dodge units some times have guard or damage reduction, all taunt units have other effects, cell max is more or less the exception, he does gain defense which is technically not an ability but at the same time it is. So yes ghost ushering is the most broken ability
These are all fair points but with the usher you can also delay the attack for the turn and just die right after if all those attacks were placed in slot one, there’s inherent weaknesses to basically every single ability
@@PhizerV I don't really see it has a big problem, when talking about giant form (the other ability that make you immune to damage) at the end of the day the same 3 characters are going to appear, where with the ghost usher you have the next rotation. If you want to protect a weaker character ghost usher truly makes the safest option since other abilities aren't 100% bullet proof. It's not perfect as you said, but it's usage and the fact that it doesn't need other abilities to work amazingly makes it the best in my opinion.
i say taunt is better than giant form, because the down side with giant form is once you are out of it and you didnt beat the boss phase, you will still be stuck with a weak rotation that can get you killed after giant form if that was your reason for using giant form along with doing not much dmg. taunt saves you from the weak rotation all together with the exception of attack alls
Something a lot of players don’t realize is that the turn you come back from giant form, the boss cannot super. So it’s also an attack break that targets the super everytime which combined with the essentially free damage is why it’s so good. Taunt is also nuts but I’d give a slight edge to giant form.
Ghost usher should be easy 1. its just straight up better than dodge bcs it protects the full rotation, its better than taunt bcs of aoe's and its also better than giant form bcs the giant form doesnt protect against normals. Only case you can make in this is that giant forms can actually deal some dmg but even piccolos dmg is almost negligable by now. i would also argue taunt > giant form bcs the only edge giant form has over taunt is aoe's but normals are a lot more common than aoe's. Otherwise great list.
Giant form is the strongest ability in this game bar none. The things you can enable with it just makes it hard to compete with period. Not only does it cancel out the turns potential incoming attacks. But also enables you to do dumb amounts of free damage. And if that wasnt nuts enough, you can enable really dumb shenanigans like orb manipulation and extending turns of turn based effects like passive guard that only lasts a few turns or other buff based effects because giant form pauses your turn count. Let's say you're in a phase of a fight and you have a turn or 2 left on your guard or damage reduction. You can pop a giant form and clear the hp bar of the phase and hop into the next phase and not really waste your turn effects. For what giant form does its objectively the strongest ability in the game.
giant forms are almost always automatic and not an active skill like op. Most of the time they just get in the way when you dont want it. It's also only one turn unlike most of the things on this list. Id rather a unit have guaranteed guard or an automatic 50% dr rather than just a giant form
Dodge at number 3 is ridiculous, I wouldn't put it anywhere over number 8 and never, ever, above damage reduction or guard, because outside of the few goats who get 100% dodge, it's an unreliable mechanic that's just waiting to screw you over when you least need it whereas DR and guard tell you precisely what damage you are shaving off. %dodge chance is only as good as the other defensive abilities of a unit. When you only have to worry about super attacks, yeah, 70% dodge means that 7 times out of 10, you will take no damage from that super attack which is pretty good. But what happens when the unit can't take normals anymore? Dodge or die, RNG fest, a last resort I won't rely on unless forced to. Dodge is awful, its usefulness is highly conditionnal and one of the highest sources of frustration in Dokkan. Hell, ZLR STR UI Goku is already getting thrown out of his teams... well first because his teams got a slew of busted units post 9th anni, but also because he's the number 1 cause of death on them, his defense is already getting outscaled by the hardest post SA normals leading him to literally dying in 2 hits if he doesn't dodge. There's a reason why 100% dodge is appearing more and more, because it's the only way dodge can even compete with other defensive abilities.
How is revive higher than scouter when revive always has value and can save you and scouter can help you forsee your own death Revive just has more value
7:55 id have to disagree they were decent for a month they had mid defence (back then not they get destroyed) and their guard didnt help for crap his dodge was the main reason he was relevant but everything else in this vid is good, sorry i had to be a karen but i hate this unit to hell, personal vandeta tbh
Dodge is definitely miss tbh. DR and Guard are superior since they're always more or less guaranteed and easy access. On the other hand characters with dodge most of the time suck defensively and get destroyed if they miss. And since bosses with dodge nullification keep appearing it's pretty hard to place it in a higher place than the other abilities i just listed. Dodge really is just big meh, if it works amazing, if it doesn't you're dead. I'd rather not take any more chances considering this game already is big RNG.
@@Ocacadordecasadas the videos about which “abilities” are strongest, that means the abilities themselves, with no consideration of the units they arbitrarily happen to be on
Ok I think like Dodge is a little bit too high ( Did Truth pay you or something 🤣) Like I would have put it at 5 behind Scouter or Ghost Susher. Like if you only included 70% to 100% dodge I would have been ok with it but you include all form of dodge ( 30% and 50% too ) And I can't see any way to put them above ghost. Like all the argument you use to put Target at 2 are applicable to Ghost too ! Like with Ghost : 1. You also protect your weaker unit 2. You also denied boss action And more since you denied action, if the boss can heal or can't canarage anymore ( because target don't stop the enenemies to heal and carnage attack are not stop by the target so for those boss , Ghost is far better ) + Ghost don't force to put the unit on the 3rd slot because when you target with beast or Gogeta it's better to put them there to have maximum damage. ( it can fuck your rotation sometime when you are force to target early because the boss lock the wrong unit in slot one ) ghost don't have that problem ! +Even if we take a 100% dodge unit like teq Caulifa if she dodge all attack of the turn and your 3rd slot got kill or if she dodge all and the carnage just kill you is it really better and just stoping the boss for doing anything ???? Like for real ? I can't put dodge about a ability that protect the whole rotation I can see dodge above scouter ( even if to me if we are taking about 30% or 50% , or dodge or die caracther I'm taking scouter all day long ! ) but not above Ghost susher let's be for real ! there a reason so few unit have it ( with so many restriction ) compare to dodge
I’m sorry but scouter being below dodge is the worst take I have ever seen on this game also ghost ushers are better than target mechanics that’s just wrong revive is also pretty low considering it’s essentially the same thing as a ghost usher or a lock on or a giant form where you can’t die for a turn so I just don’t understand how you could think those things are the case
With Scouters, you can easily just forsee your own death. Ghost Ushers, in my experience, can just delay attacks onto potentially weaker units on another rotation, like how the TEQ Androids could do against Red Zone Broly on AGL Cells team since that team didn’t have a plethora of slot one units. Revives are great but they also tend to happen deeper in fights which docks them a bit
@@PhizerV I mean this just isn’t true unless you’re talking about hypotheticals where you run weak characters scouters and ghost ushers are strong because they mix with the other defensive mechanics but do more of the work also I disagree with the deep in the fight thing being an issues with revives because one you’ll get them when you die if you die at the start if you don’t then later on it’ll save you
on the topic of defensive abilities, is it just me or are sealing and stuns useless? to me they are, because every end game fight has disable seals and stuns making them pointless to even have on super attacks
Abilities considered by The Algorithm for this list:
Giant Form, Scouter, Dodge, Guard, High DR, Ghost Usher, Revive, Taunt, Stacking, Nullification, Healing, Action Disabling,
Dam
That’s a lot
So, where is rage forms like teq berus, agl 1st form cell, str namek goku. They are kinda like giant forms but not necessarily the same.
@@dms8872a lot of them only last for one turn, so sometimes the enemy can still super, aoe, heal or whatever else it can do even after you use a rage mode
You mentioned stun
People forget LR 9y Gogeta heals 54% HP for 4 turns from transformation. So he has 2 guaranteed 54% heals. It's so useful.
The good old "You are NOT transforming LR STR Super Vegito" ahh moment
People overhate 9th anniversary lol.
Broly and Gogeta are one of the strongest units in the game.
@MetalGodMasino gogeta has got me killed so many times 😭 all he had to do for me was dodge ONE attack and bro failed that 😭
He doesn’t have any dodge in his kit?
@@ImShy-hn7ec transformed he does
Disabling action would be 100x better if it disabled the super attack anywhere but if the boss wasn’t going to super then it disabled the next action.
It’d be BUSTED
It'd be gamebreaking.
Disables the normal then the enemy supers 😂💔
@@PhizerV Only if you have scouter, else it would just still be a gamble
Dude, your channel is seriously special, not to overhype but I've never seen a Dokkan channel or any DB gacha channel have this kind of editing and covering topics that the fandom talks about, but the channels themselves rarely make videos on, means your channel is unique and a ton of people are going to be flocking here in the next few months I think. Keep making content and keep improving man! I can't wait to see the progress you make 👏
Agreed, he's killin it
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Also LR TEQ Z Broly's!
It is wild how your montage is good and your video is super clean, but having only 8 k follower
Its rising fast. When i joined he was at 2.06k i think
The production value of buddy’s video is really fucking good. Genuinely surprised how underrated your channel, you do great work. Imma be here for a while, Keep it up!!
One of strongest abilities: *exists
RZ Buu getting 69420% ATK while healing for full hp and early blue zone bosses losing all ATK debuffs in one turn: SHEEEEEEESHHHH
Something you forgot to mention is that Giant Form allows you to bypass character locking cuz if you switch the giant form characters you're actually switching your main rotation characters too, so if a slot 3 gets locked in slot 1 you can just pop a giant form and move the first character portrait to slot 3 and then when the giant form ends they'll have their spots changed
Something I've never even thought about doing
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The red zone mission vs Babidi's forces where you had to win with 5 INT units in 7 turns was a nightmare. On my winning run i had to put cheelai in slot 1 for 10 attacks. She dodged 8 including the super!
The edits where Amazing and I just wanted to know
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Is no one gonna talk about how carnival is speeled wring (btw the editing in this video is so good)
First scouter I remember was STR Jeice
This gonna sound crazy but what editing software do you use by chance ?
My editors use a mix of Premiere Pro and After effects
Top 10 units that only OGs understand! TEQ Guldo, INT Turles, INT General Blue, STR Arale.
the editing of this video is so clean and top tier, love the in depth explanations and appealing visual!!
I really liked your video, because before i watched it, i thought damage reduction would be at least a 5, but you explained all the abilities above it so well and why they are better, that i cant disagree. Imo giant form is really good but i do feel the lack of damage and thats understandable, u can take it all, not die and deal damage!, but currently vs gofrieza, giant form is for defence only, and thats pretty sad. I hope we get a giant form that will deal tons of damage one day
Nice video keep it coming
If TEQ Zamasu’s ability to nullify every attack was on more units it would probably be like at least 3 on this list
Loving the content frfr
For me Lr Phy Gogeta blue active skill is the strongest thing you can do in the game is just so busted, basically does what piccolo does but with a masive amount of damage
I believe the first unit to have the scouter ability was actually str f2p jeice from 2018 @11:00
"STR SSJ3 VEGETA" IS THE GOAT!
He had the longest life in dokkan!
He was viable from 2015 till literally almost now! His SEZA will be insane!
I would scoot scouter down to 7 and move both guard and DR up 1 each but besides that the rest of the list i agree with. Solid vid man
You should do a top 10 best Heroes/Crossover units :3 love your work btw
What about a top 10 weirdest design units/ ezas. Not bad ezas, but ones that are weird to use or are just strange in general
Nice job 👍
I'm suprised TEQ UI wasn't mentioned at all during the dodge section
The only time the self target ability is useless is when you face a boss with aoe attacks like str and int omega, but even then, it's just a busted ability.
Bare minimum I think revival is top 5.
If you are one of those people like Truth who does everything without items and support memories.
To me a revival is powerful ability to have in your back pocket when taking into account how powerful bosses are and how some does cheeky things like sealing, locking, canceling dodge and so on.
"LR Angel Goku & Vegeta /Super Gogeta" NEEDS HIS EZA!
ALSO LR TEQ SSJ Z Broly!
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I want a unit that has all of these abilities rolled into 1 😆
Stun would be the strongest ability if it wasn’t banned in almost every fight. At least when u reach a certain turn against cell max he can be stunned
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We might experience a character to have a domain that disables Stun,seal and De-buff ATK and DEF nullification :)
Great point!!!
dfe agl trunks would make me feel something...
@@Siramez if what I say becomes a unit then yea that unit would prolly have a resurgence when he has an EZA
ghost usher is the true number one. I'm sorry, the algorithm is wrong. no other ability can fully prevent you from dying. you can still die in the taunt specially when the games reaches new metas, dodge units can still die if they don't or can't dodge, and giant forms deals almost no damage, even if the enemy is glitched, normals can still kill. Yes i'm saying this only because buu exists, he is the one that makes the ability shiny the most, having two turns (if you are using i'm as a leader) where you simply cannot die is just too good. Furthermore almost all other abilities relly on others, dodge units some times have guard or damage reduction, all taunt units have other effects, cell max is more or less the exception, he does gain defense which is technically not an ability but at the same time it is. So yes ghost ushering is the most broken ability
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@@KuroFrog I'm sorry, the truth is harsh
These are all fair points but with the usher you can also delay the attack for the turn and just die right after if all those attacks were placed in slot one, there’s inherent weaknesses to basically every single ability
@@PhizerV I don't really see it has a big problem, when talking about giant form (the other ability that make you immune to damage) at the end of the day the same 3 characters are going to appear, where with the ghost usher you have the next rotation. If you want to protect a weaker character ghost usher truly makes the safest option since other abilities aren't 100% bullet proof. It's not perfect as you said, but it's usage and the fact that it doesn't need other abilities to work amazingly makes it the best in my opinion.
@@f1r3v giant form is literally just usher but it can last 3 turns
dodge give a weakness almost all the basic will hit you harder that a unit with guard or dr
i say taunt is better than giant form, because the down side with giant form is once you are out of it and you didnt beat the boss phase, you will still be stuck with a weak rotation that can get you killed after giant form if that was your reason for using giant form along with doing not much dmg. taunt saves you from the weak rotation all together with the exception of attack alls
Something a lot of players don’t realize is that the turn you come back from giant form, the boss cannot super. So it’s also an attack break that targets the super everytime which combined with the essentially free damage is why it’s so good. Taunt is also nuts but I’d give a slight edge to giant form.
@@TheeBeastly1000 cool story unfortunatly bosses normals are easily over 1million now and giant forms do not protect against normals
I fucking hate piccolo jr's giant form, it always activates in the most inopportune moments 😭
Infinite Zamasu has straight up damage negation how is that not the strongest 😭
Doesn’t protect the team, bad restriction
Ghost usher should be easy 1. its just straight up better than dodge bcs it protects the full rotation, its better than taunt bcs of aoe's and its also better than giant form bcs the giant form doesnt protect against normals. Only case you can make in this is that giant forms can actually deal some dmg but even piccolos dmg is almost negligable by now. i would also argue taunt > giant form bcs the only edge giant form has over taunt is aoe's but normals are a lot more common than aoe's. Otherwise great list.
Giant form is the strongest ability in this game bar none. The things you can enable with it just makes it hard to compete with period.
Not only does it cancel out the turns potential incoming attacks. But also enables you to do dumb amounts of free damage. And if that wasnt nuts enough, you can enable really dumb shenanigans like orb manipulation and extending turns of turn based effects like passive guard that only lasts a few turns or other buff based effects because giant form pauses your turn count.
Let's say you're in a phase of a fight and you have a turn or 2 left on your guard or damage reduction. You can pop a giant form and clear the hp bar of the phase and hop into the next phase and not really waste your turn effects.
For what giant form does its objectively the strongest ability in the game.
Giant Form is BROKEN busted
giant forms are almost always automatic and not an active skill like op. Most of the time they just get in the way when you dont want it. It's also only one turn unlike most of the things on this list. Id rather a unit have guaranteed guard or an automatic 50% dr rather than just a giant form
i would prefer ghost usher ability tbh
Dodge at number 3 is ridiculous, I wouldn't put it anywhere over number 8 and never, ever, above damage reduction or guard, because outside of the few goats who get 100% dodge, it's an unreliable mechanic that's just waiting to screw you over when you least need it whereas DR and guard tell you precisely what damage you are shaving off.
%dodge chance is only as good as the other defensive abilities of a unit. When you only have to worry about super attacks, yeah, 70% dodge means that 7 times out of 10, you will take no damage from that super attack which is pretty good. But what happens when the unit can't take normals anymore? Dodge or die, RNG fest, a last resort I won't rely on unless forced to. Dodge is awful, its usefulness is highly conditionnal and one of the highest sources of frustration in Dokkan. Hell, ZLR STR UI Goku is already getting thrown out of his teams... well first because his teams got a slew of busted units post 9th anni, but also because he's the number 1 cause of death on them, his defense is already getting outscaled by the hardest post SA normals leading him to literally dying in 2 hits if he doesn't dodge. There's a reason why 100% dodge is appearing more and more, because it's the only way dodge can even compete with other defensive abilities.
Super attack nulification/super attack counters? Basically limited dodge plus you can do some damage with it
True, it’ll be on the list when I do Top 10 MORE Defensive Abilities
Giant form only weakness is just to be annoying to play because you need to wach 12 time the same super attack doing 3 m damage
Wild guess before watching... Dodge
EDIT: damn it, I was close😉
How is revive higher than scouter when revive always has value and can save you and scouter can help you forsee your own death
Revive just has more value
I like your content but cool down with all the effects and edits, it makes the video difficult to watch
7:55 id have to disagree they were decent for a month they had mid defence (back then not they get destroyed) and their guard didnt help for crap his dodge was the main reason he was relevant but everything else in this vid is good, sorry i had to be a karen but i hate this unit to hell, personal vandeta tbh
how u gonna put ghost usher a spot apart from taunt when its legit the same thing if not better
Dodge is definitely miss tbh. DR and Guard are superior since they're always more or less guaranteed and easy access. On the other hand characters with dodge most of the time suck defensively and get destroyed if they miss.
And since bosses with dodge nullification keep appearing it's pretty hard to place it in a higher place than the other abilities i just listed. Dodge really is just big meh, if it works amazing, if it doesn't you're dead.
I'd rather not take any more chances considering this game already is big RNG.
Skill issue
Question, why is the taunt superior to the ghost usher? One protects from AOEs. The other doesn't
Aoe right now only matters in one fight,taunt helps everywhere,and most times the super is what really matters
@@Ocacadordecasadaswhat does taunting have over ushers, except a risk to get killed
@@godther1391 The fact none of the ushers are runable except buu who most times os turn 7+,again aoe is not a problem at the moment
@@Ocacadordecasadas is it about the characters or the ability though? did u watch the fucking video?
@@Ocacadordecasadas the videos about which “abilities” are strongest, that means the abilities themselves, with no consideration of the units they arbitrarily happen to be on
Ok I think like Dodge is a little bit too high ( Did Truth pay you or something 🤣) Like I would have put it at 5 behind Scouter or Ghost Susher. Like if you only included 70% to 100% dodge I would have been ok with it but you include all form of dodge ( 30% and 50% too ) And I can't see any way to put them above ghost.
Like all the argument you use to put Target at 2 are applicable to Ghost too ! Like with Ghost :
1. You also protect your weaker unit
2. You also denied boss action
And more since you denied action, if the boss can heal or can't canarage anymore ( because target don't stop the enenemies to heal and carnage attack are not stop by the target so for those boss , Ghost is far better )
+ Ghost don't force to put the unit on the 3rd slot because when you target with beast or Gogeta it's better to put them there to have maximum damage. ( it can fuck your rotation sometime when you are force to target early because the boss lock the wrong unit in slot one ) ghost don't have that problem !
+Even if we take a 100% dodge unit like teq Caulifa if she dodge all attack of the turn and your 3rd slot got kill or if she dodge all and the carnage just kill you is it really better and just stoping the boss for doing anything ???? Like for real ? I can't put dodge about a ability that protect the whole rotation
I can see dodge above scouter ( even if to me if we are taking about 30% or 50% , or dodge or die caracther I'm taking scouter all day long ! ) but not above Ghost susher let's be for real ! there a reason so few unit have it ( with so many restriction ) compare to dodge
I’m sorry but scouter being below dodge is the worst take I have ever seen on this game also ghost ushers are better than target mechanics that’s just wrong revive is also pretty low considering it’s essentially the same thing as a ghost usher or a lock on or a giant form where you can’t die for a turn so I just don’t understand how you could think those things are the case
With Scouters, you can easily just forsee your own death. Ghost Ushers, in my experience, can just delay attacks onto potentially weaker units on another rotation, like how the TEQ Androids could do against Red Zone Broly on AGL Cells team since that team didn’t have a plethora of slot one units. Revives are great but they also tend to happen deeper in fights which docks them a bit
@@PhizerV I mean this just isn’t true unless you’re talking about hypotheticals where you run weak characters scouters and ghost ushers are strong because they mix with the other defensive mechanics but do more of the work also I disagree with the deep in the fight thing being an issues with revives because one you’ll get them when you die if you die at the start if you don’t then later on it’ll save you
on the topic of defensive abilities, is it just me or are sealing and stuns useless? to me they are, because every end game fight has disable seals and stuns making them pointless to even have on super attacks
Prior to Cell Max it was basically useless outside of SBR
High chance to dodge is 70% while medium chance is 50% right?
50% and 30%
great chance is 70%, high chance is 50% and medium chance is 30%
What is the argument for taunt to be higher than ghost usher on this list ?
where is infinite zamasu??? he can’t take damage!!!
My guess is because of his pretty bad active condition
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I’m so fucking astonished that I’m shafted rn I have nothing🥲