The Most Overhated Units in DBZ Dokkan Battle
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2024
- In today's video we are looking at the most overrated units in DBZ Dokkan Battle!
There are so many units that just got overlooked or one person starts a campaign against a certain unit and then everyone else just follows suit. Or they may just have a bad experience with the character themselves.
We will be looking at the units that get the most hate from the community and why I think the hate towards each unit is a bit unjustified. I hope you guys enjoy the video and let me know who else you think is overhated! - Ігри
Toppo is like saying u are 2nd place in a race against Usain Bolt but the rest of the runners are children on wheelchairs
Lol I am moreso saying people need to stop saying units like SEZA SSJ3 Goku and INT Gotenks are better than him.
@@legendaryred24 I prefer int gotenks, for me he's more consistent as long as you have a full dodge build. Also toppo is pretty restricted to his teams, while gotenks you can put almost everywhere.
Dodge or die @@DiamondRadar
Just want to clarify that at 5:41, it doesn't mean that agl ui goku has 100% chance to dodge since the 7% dodge chance it is a seperate proc from his 77% chance to dodge
Yeah, what he said is just 100% incorrect
Thank you bro I missed this style of content, this reminds of dbzmoe before whatever happened to him which is unfortunate:(.
Yessirrrrr, don’t do commentary all the time but try to upload one or two videos a week with it
What happened
@@fabriciosantiago566 the repetitive nothing berries of his uploads of just the previous edition of a video with the addition of the new character
Thats what i get
I really like the formatting and the logical arguments for the units shown. I like the INT Gohan tech that was mentioned; I never considered that one prior to this.
Hey appreciate it man😤. Yeah the future Gohan tech is something I thought of the moment I saw his EZA. I was like Gohan was born to create Vegitos🤣🤣
Another thing to note with BlueKu and BlueGeta. People often forget about the Turn 7 condition for them. You could bring a unit like a Teq Trunks, Int Future Gohan, Lr Future Gohan, or Teq Vegito and it could make it way easier to transform. (Teq Vegito and Teq Trunks, and Int Future Gohan are probably the best picks here since they have aged pretty well.)
Also videos like this are nice. You are like the much better version of Dbzmoe as you actually add commentary and your own opinions to the text and ways to use units. Keep up the good work 👍
Appreciate it😤, I just like bringing discussions to the channel and just have fun chatting with y’all about Dokkan. It’s a great time 😌
The problem other than the condition is they are not hitting hard enough. LR PHY Carnival SSJ Trunks hit better than them and also LR TEQ Zamasu too after a few turnl
@@alfinprathama8219 Damage does not matter in a game where it is either defend or die and they can do it that in base until turn 5 and after they fuse
@@legendaryred24 I kinda agree with that, but transforming them is not easy especially with the boss that can one turn kill you
@@alfinprathama8219being fair against realm of gods enemy’s they are good at tanking in slot 1
Glad you’re doing the job Mr. DBZ Moe doesn’t wanna do anymore
I’m glad someone is recognizing int Eza Goathan he is the reason I beat most redzones as someone on global
He is just so good. He helps teams with health conditions out so much
He is still super good on future lol
That’s usually where I run him
@@Juicewrldsuncle fr
how is it surprising that phy ultimate gohan isnt in the video 💀
🤣, I mean some people think he is hated fair enough lol
Beastless Gohan went crazy lmao
before str beasthan was out, he was kinda suck with the lack of ki, bad link and can only guard for 3 turns
@@ankhtokari7895 I honestly can’t find a good linking partner for him that’s the real issue
@@ankhtokari7895 I agree with that
The community should not be hating on 1 ,5 and 6.
Fr
Yup
Okay I can understand Agl UI cause it’s feels 50-50 with him but I can’t wait for his EZA on global. But WHO GAVE everyone a pack on STR Vegito. That’s crazy to think people believe his passive to transform is hard. I think the idea of Int FG is cool but if you bringing these guys to hard events and with the bosses dealing like 500k supers of 1 mil, I don’t think these guys have a hard time turning. Idk what the community is thinking
@@israelgasca9489 fr lol. People get mad at me for me putting SV on here and people still saying Buuhan is better than SV😭. MUI will look way better after his EZA
I feel like the only unit that has a somewhat valid reason for hating them is the buu duo since they’re raw defense. But I agree that the standby is a great help
Yeah it makes sense why they do but they are crazy good in standby
And phy ulthan
@@justindai8401 nah not really
@@legendaryred24 yea, theyre only passable alongside beast. They dont even have a guaranteed super. They build up with supers which is bad, they struggle for ki while not changing orbs
@@justindai8401 ki is resolved with Beast and sure supers aren’t guaranteed but he gets a 70% chance which will proc most of the time. It really ain’t an issue if you get the Ki which Beast makes very easy
People hates unit just because it's not as strong as the best unit in the game or the unit is not that easy to use . They jusr want unit that destroy the game without thinking how to beat the hardest boss . Some incredible unit are hated just because you need to use your brain
Does Lr Fraudhan still get support from Beast if theyre not on the same rotation? If not then it feels like id be wasting that character slot for a much better unit imo
No bc Beast doesn’t have multi turn support. The thing is idk why you wouldn’t link Beast with Ulthan since they share every link
Put 2 Beast Gohan (1 from you n 1 from your friend) for Ulthan You want to have Beast Gohan for each rotation.
If you have 2 Beast Gohan in 1 rotation, then just float one of them in the 3rd slot
@@alfinprathama8219 Yep
Int Future gohan has a lot of value rn due to those conditions and that he shares both cold judgement and all in the family with Z sword gohan which gives 45% defense at LL10
well, tbf mui before his eza really was a dodge or die character, since he would even die to sbr normals, and you needed to get hit 3 times for the revive (wich you couldn't even get cuz with 3 normals he fucking died) now that he has his eza he is (arguably) the 3rd best unit in the game since he has a lot more damage, defense, his 100% dodge turn 1, a pretty easy to get revive, etc
Yeah for sure, but people still underrate him even after his EZA, which is why he was included.
@@legendaryred24tbf I also think it has something to do with lr bluevelution vegetas eza, which completely overshadowed lr mui
But that doesn’t also mean lr mui is a bad eza, right?
@@nachozacho1407 Yeah I think that is possible, and so by comparing the two they judged MUI a little bit harder. MUI is still an amazing EZA tho.
great videos in any case if i agree or disagree with a statement i already commented on that with that said saying buuhan is better then vegito is truly crazy like its not like they are frauds in base or som
It is not like Super Vegito is on LR SSBE Vegeta's level or something lol. Buuhan is a whole league below what Super Vegito can do. Buutenks is better than Goku and Vegeta sure just float them off and then use Future Gohan to get the condition it really is not that hard. People who don't choose to play around the condition will take Buuhan, but you build your team smart you'll see SV turn 4 and the unit is world's above Buuhan.
3:56 this i feel is a bit biased, vegito blue CAN and will fraud especially pre-super, even in the Zamasu meta. Hes a really good unit tho
He has 50% DR pre super lol. And on top of that he has 100% dodge after active and has 50 chance to dodge as well. He has less dodge and more DR than Gogeta like what are you on about
@@legendaryred24 oh im talking from personal experience, like, u cant say that hes as good as gogeta. Damage wise Gogeta just blows Vegito’s out of the water and he also has the target skill too, which protects the entire team. Also the team and the half senzu+rainbow orb change. Like theres no argument for Vegito transformed being better than Gogeta. Dont get me wrong, Vegito is still cracked, but hes not Gogeta
@@pocustherulerofzoon I never said Vegito was better than Gogeta but what I stated was that he is on a very similar level especially defensively in which Vegito is better than Gogeta thanks to the damage reduction. GB 100% does more damage and the target skill 100% gives him the edge, but VB performs on a similar level once he is fused.
@@legendaryred24 yeah me personallyh there not on a similare level. Like theyre close but not similare. The only thing Vegito has an advantage on is defense not including dodge. Gogeta does so much more for the team and even by himself
@@pocustherulerofzoon And I agree with that but defense is so important which is why I think he is closer than most people think. Gogeta is still better especially damage-wise and utility-wise.
Another overhated i will put it's LR SOH Trunks
He is definitely one of them as well
omg a dokkan youtuber with actual commentary :000
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I remember before LR vegeto blue was announced I said we didn't need a new vegeto card at that moment and we should get one later everyone called me a vegeto hater (even though I have every one of his units in the game) then when his card dropped and wasn't as OP as everyone wanted while everyone else was crying about it I actually liked the card (and was called a hater for it) ironically enough just like I predicted we did get another vegeto card later that year and he was amazing
Welcome to the Dokkan Community lol
So basically, INT Future Gohan is massively underrated and people need to use him more because he's actually sneaky cracked
Exactly, he is not super insane damage wise but the ability to keep you at 70% is actually very broken weirdly enough lol.
THANK YOU SO GODDAMN MUCH FOR SHINING LIGHT UPON PHY LR ULTHAN! Also, what IS the ideal LR Ulthan build? Crit, dodge, Additional?
Additional and dodge. Additionals are important for Ulthan so I would focus on those first and then invest some dodge as well
I couldn’t tell you verbatim what it would he bc mine is 100% built wrong lol
Its AA > Crit, dodge can be helpful but there is next to no real reason to give it to him, he does most events with 0 risk because Beast, OP & Gogeta basically remove risk from the portion of the fight he can potentially die (turn 5-7)
@@spikyball5883 I mean sure but the turn he can be supered is when you want that dodge
@@legendaryred24 There is no turn he can be supered, the only attack in the game that could touch him in that period is STR Gogetas AOE (which can kill if its post super)
But relying on a 15% dodge is not ideal, crit gives him a considerable damage boost all the time, which you want to focus.
Now THIS is a gentleman who understand dokkan battle 👏🏽👏🏽
Yessirrrr
Phy Lr gohan should’ve always been referred to as “super hero gohan”, since he leads the super hero category and his animations are faithful to his appearance in the super hero movie as a whole. Calling him super hero gohan makes so much sense and is so obvious, that I’m not surprised the dokkan community wasn’t able to think of it
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Vegito is good it’s just he loses all defense buffs after fusing which means you can’t put him in slot 1 which is where I get the damage from.
He has 50% DR????
I saw truth's tier list and got surprised by how low str vegito is ranked
Me too, after I saw that I was like nah they disrespected my GOAT😤
Did I watch a different video, cause truth placed str vegito on 5, above teq piccolo. That doesn't seem low.
@@DiamondRadar yes
@@DiamondRadar yes
@@DiamondRadar ion even remember the vid but 5 is pretty damn good
They should better remove both ally and HP condition to transform Vegito easily or dropping a new valuable standalone Vegito Blue to make the fans satisfied. The downplay on this guy is just unbelievable and can't be tolerated
Fr
No Fr. Vegito is my fav unit and he just needs a stand alone. And vegito blue from the 5th year was alright, until he ezad, he’s monstrous but we need a new one fr
@@Ianakiona217 yeah but we'd have to wait a bit since we got LR SSJ gogeta on jp not too long ago and they like to release LRS of vegito and gogeta together or close to each other so we probably won't see him for the rest of the year, unless it's a TUR to which I'm hoping it's a transforming base DBZ vegito
Nah the hp condition is fine, but the turn restriction should be slightly lower
z duo is getting MEGA BUFFED due to the massive majin buu saga buffs rn, you can slap them on agl ssj3 goku's team and they'll do great despite being on a 170% lead
and you can crutch their standby
sadly, they're not great in the zamasu/short fight meta, but once movie bosses rush or more long fights come out they'll be cooking with that insane defense after stacks + their standby
also their fully charged standby attack is no1 in terms of animation imho that shit is iconic
agreed. I love all of the buu boys animations a whole ton and they really dont deserve the hate
I wouldn’t be glazing LR PHY Z Duo standby because I just died one tap from a boss when the standby was activated it specifically did 283k dmg
283k from a Super is not bad at all against the 9th anni meta… you were already low on health, but you also need to get orbs. He can get caught if he doesn’t get orbs
did you picked like 1 orb for them tf
@@MrDantevergil90 fr lol
4:57 honestly their base isnt as bad as people say either. They can at least tank normals well enough once stacked.
Fr
I don't like STR Vegito because he can't tank at all on Global. I can't even clear Fighting Legend GT Goku with him. I was running a mid team for fun and he got caught while all of my other OLDER units that don't have EZAs were tanking every hit.
I was more so referring to him after his EZA
@@legendaryred24 that’s fair, I heard he’s like top ten after it. I play on global so I haven’t gotten a chance it try it yet.
@@jackattack4754 that is fair
Yo dude, where's INT TOM Goku? I like him and people keep clowning on him, or PHY Raditz?
💀, those units are actually bad😭
@@legendaryred24the ezas gonna come in clutch, trust me bro 🤫
@@supersonic7212 better hope so🤣
lr phy beast gohan was strong on realease now better with the new, people just hated the fact he didn't transform in beast, (global) you can still do all the content without any problem with double phy beast, at anniversary he's gonna have some problem you have beast str to help to launch 18m, ah also yo can stilkl do all the content pre anniversary with double z duo lr
Exactly
Id say the actuallly sizeable gap from Toppo to Vegeta is pretty noticeable, especially considering that once transformed Vegeta just has no problem tanking no matter the turn while toppo is more tecnical.
I mean I agree to the since that you don’t have to play around conditions with Vegeta but Toppo is more effective against the final boss when you transform to GOD than Vegeta . That is why imo Toppo is closer to Vegeta than people think bc of how good he can be if you hold is transformation for the end
@@legendaryred24 yeah i def agree with you that hes kinda underrated. People are gonna underrate an unit when its Vegeta and Toppo and they are like 2 tiers above every other TUR
@@pocustherulerofzoon True
Mui goku getting disrespected like that is crazy considering he can literally build fully up on turn 1. I don't know about you guys but 1m defence + 77% dodge + 7% dodge + 77% health revive is pretty good.
Exactly
People hate too much on PHY beast cause he wasn't actually a " playable beast " despite the fact he did jack shit in the movie
Fr
And that he was bad
5:40 Sorry to be like that but mui’s dodge works like 77% then 77% 7%(separate proc) then 77% 14%(separate proc) etc.
I’m pretty sure his dodge itself stacks I thought 🤔. Ik Gotenks doesn’t but I could’ve swore MUI’s was
@@legendaryred24 if it did stack like that it would be absolutely insane but there have been no characters that can actually do that(hirudegarn doesn’t count)
@@NotFidy yeah I was gonna say uh doesn’t Hiru do that
for the entirety of watching this video; my dyslexic ass was thinkin it was a top overrated vid
Oof
Finally, someone who respects AGL VB. My goat probably has the best set of OSTs imo too
Yessirrrr
He how are you? I hope you will respond to this comment I will leave you: I wanted to tell you that in my opinion Gohan from the future can easily make you the new events of 2024 (such as the Blue zones) is the "key" to the team if you don't have characters like Gamma 1 and 2 LR or other characters, not to mention that the Beast+Future Gohan LR STR couple is fucked up, PG first slot with guard+dr and the other with 80 dr. Gohan int is also stupidly broken to give 50% buff to both Beast but also Vegeta Evo, i really love Future Gohan INT, cuz even if you get low from hp can tank ALL the punch of the game (i mean double digit) , he don't tank the special but it's the same thing for the rest of the 95% of the characters in the game but it's Amazing how a Eza exit on September 2023 called "fraud" Is stronger than Zamasu AGL or Gotenks (i joke for Gotenks but not for Zamasu) (i hate evasion) I hope you read this comment and have a good evening.
INT Future Gohan is truly the key to success
@@legendaryred24 wait, i don't know if you're serious or you're joking on me...?
@@ByronLoveAphrofdite no fr he is amazing
@@legendaryred24 oh thanks Dude 🤝🗣️🔥
Finally someone gets the good part of vegito
6:58 int future Gohan is like the helper of all these fusion characters
@@TMHDACOOL fr lol
Ikr🤣
Btw the only problem i think is with int future gohan is that at 55% he takes waayyy too much damage if he is 70% hp or above
Yeah that can be a problem but it isn’t a horrible one to have. You’ll heal some of it anyways if you are running future and Zamasu. He won’t get you killed tho unless they super you above 70% HP
@@legendaryred24 Tru tho .... I'm However impressed with how zamasu is handling himself in the post 9th anni meta.. bro is still really good
@@godgito3158 Lowkey he should've been on this list too. Everyone underrates him bc he sucks after turn 5 like Goku and Vegeta, but it really is not hard to go into infinite.
@@legendaryred24 yea and even after turn 5 or so... he still has 40% Dr and in 2nd slot with agl zamasu in 1st slot he can still tank normals fairly well...
@@godgito3158 yeah he doesn’t eat Supers well after turn 5 tho
Welp that settles it I gotta go build my int future gohan
He’s GOATED
I know the Vegito side of the tag blue bros was pretty good but that doesn’t change the fact that their base fucking sucks
Not if you know how to transform them… their guard and dodge is fine for the first 5 turns
@@legendaryred24 Yeah I guess but from what I’ve seen they are kind of dodge or die characters
@@WhiteHog If you keep them out of slot 1 they don’t get the defensive buff. Of course when you float them they won’t have it but they still are fine. Plus most of the time minus Zamasu you are not fighting a AOE enemy by turn 4
@@legendaryred24 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm alr
Nah their base is good at least back then. Guard with 50% dodge and def in 1st slot is rlly good. His transformation condition is also pretty good
RAAAAAH I LOVE INT FUTURE GOHAN
WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ARM🗣️🗣️
🤣🤣🤣🤣
VB as as gogeta blue made me laugh so much.
It is meant to say they are similar defensively. Otherwise no they aren’t. But they are extremely similar defensively
BRO HAS GOOD TAKES OMGGGG
Appreciate it😤
Bruh int eza future gohan help a vegetto twice surprising to me
He is the key to their success
@@legendaryred24 wow
@@tadeopena8009 He is just that guy
I really wish agl vb got a better transformation condition man... i really vbs animations kit
Fr
@@legendaryred24 🥲🤧🤧
PHY Ultimate Gohan was one of the most annoying characters to use on release. He struggles for Ki so bad and when you finally did get the Ki needed for the 70% chance of an additional super in his passive, he performs a normal 😂
He was awful on release I will not lie lol. Beast makes him so much better
The Reason There's Hate About Toppo Was Bc He Had To Fingerblast Vegeta in G.O.D Mode 💀💀💀
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my goat int future gohan as always being the best dude ever. (Except if no trunks sometomes)
Fr
I hate lr agl vb because he is very restrictive you HAVE to take into account many things when playing with him and that makes it not very fun for me
I can agree with that. It does require A LOT to make it work
“What did they dew?!”
Who?
@@legendaryred24 the units
@@goldendestiny_ Right but wdym by what did the do?
@@legendaryred24 what did they do to get hate?
@@goldendestiny_ I couldn’t tell you tbh. They just get hated on for no reason 😭
MUI isn’t even dodge or die he can take normal and he’s my goat 72 straight dodges
He is just too good, never disrespect the GOAT MUI😤
I just don’t like base Toppo because he’s annoying, and I don’t mean as a unit
Also don’t like “M”UI Goku because there’s no M
lol fair
funny enough I have both LR Buu bros & Blue bros.
Same
here is the ACTUAL reasons why people don't like these units:
Toppo: Not a Saiyan, or rather, Vegeta > Toppo
Gohan: His ass is NOT transforminginto Beast
Blues: Don't start off as Vegito
Z Spirit Bomb: Idk about this one
MUi: How can you HATE this unit???
Vegito: "WAH WAH I WANT VEGITO NOW!!"
lol fr, Vegeta is better than Toppo mostly bc of the teams he is on, and others yeah pretty much just cherry picking their kits bc they aren’t the character they wanted or they have to earn the hype character
You might just be the new DBZmoe
Yessirrrrr
Not trying to hate or nothing but like most of these takes are dumb I agree with the toppo stuff the Gohan stuff is kinda valid but almost any new-ish unit can look good next to beast the blue duo is good on global but him and int Gohan get dunked on on Jp post year 9 no one is saying the buu duo standby is bad that’s not the problem the problem is you can’t ignore their garbage base form that will get you killed like 99% of the time before the standby you can’t just gloss over that I don’t really see anyone complaining about Ui Goku but if they are they are just ignorant or unlucky plus the 7% build up is a separate proc Str Vegito is insane but again no one is complaining about Vegito it’s that most times he’ll just die in base but he does receive a little to much hate and again the int Gohan debate is invalid post year 9
The takes would not be posted here if they did not exist. Super Vegito gets hated on constantly bc of yes transformation condition and same AGL VB. MUI gets hate bc people label him dodge or die which again is true, but the way they built him makes it work, Z Duo yes we know they suck base, the pay off (especially if you have a weaker box) is you get one of the most broken units in the game for the long fight portion. Most bosses do not do enough damage early into fights to endanger Z Duo too much compared to the short meta, but again still a risk running them.
The Gohan point being next to Beast is more so the fact that he had Ki issues. That was the reason he suffered a lot. Beast helps his Ki deficiency and is his best linking partner. Yes everyone is gonna “look good” next to Beast, but Ulthan’s flaws being fixed are more so bc he actually has a linking partner now who also gives 3 ki upon being hit. Yes he benefits from the other stuff as well, but it is the fact that he actually has a true linking partner now.
Blue Duo generally is fine in the new meta but you do have to transform them quick. VB’s 100% dodge after active and 50% Dr is very nice and can handle a lot more than you think but again it is risky to run him still. INT Future Gohan yes he can get caught in the extremely difficult fights like Gogeta, but he’s still very useful he just has to stay under 70% HP or he will get blasted away.
All in all you have to realize I’m not saying these units are a must run on every account and if you don’t then what are you doing. The point is prove they are more valuable then where people are placing them. Ulthan is not a bag of rocks, LR STR Super Vegito is better than Buuhan and a few others, AGL VB is wayyyy better than people have him, Toppo is way closer to Vegeta than people think if not in some situations better, Z Duo has aged way better than most of the 8th anni units due to their standby etc. Of course the units have holes but a lot of them have been fulfilled over time and on top of that some units got better value bc of the meta shift like Z Duo(yes Ik they can easily get caught in the new meta, but their standby is invincible with you get their orbs)
Z duo suck ass without dupes
sadly i think agl blue bois is justified now esp with this content they get destroyed if thier guard and dodge runs out on top with the awful transformation skill.
I’ve legit never had issues with them at all. Bosses do enough damage to get you under 70% and again if you struggle to maintain that Future Gohan helps maintain that help under 70%. Their transformation especially in long fights is not an issue. Just float them on turn 4 if you worry about pulling it off.
@@legendaryred24 yeah but not everyone has future gohan. And most of the time they get killed before blue bois get to do anything. floating off is good until they do aoe supers.
@@Trsshpandasa7867 yeah but on turn 4 they have dodge and guard still they can handle an AOE from Super Buu. Then once you float them off they can transform to VB immediately on reappearance
The people hsting on toppo are all global players 😂😂. Mfs who actually have the unit knows how Good he is
lol fr
saying lr fraudhun is now good is absolutly stupid as you can put any other unit in the same spot as his and they will perform the same if not better as gohan can just end up with double normals the reason why he was a fraud in the first place is because he needs to do supers to build up and NOT ATTACKS if it was attacks i would have agreed but because its supers Im sorry but i cant cause he creates a hole in the unbreakable fortress called the super hero team ill be honest and say he is still bad and the only use for him is for him to active beast's links you said he tanks som normals BUT HE DOESNT EVEN TANK ALL NORMALS ofc its hard for most characters to tank double digits of broly, beast, trunks and gogeta blue but you gotta understand if he super once and can take like 400k from a normal now he is not completely garbage ofc because he is a kind of supporting character for beast and he still does decent damage but at this point he is just out aged but still im sorry I cant see it I just dont know why you would run this fraud instead of som other better unit then him in my opinion he is not even top 30 even agl vb is better then him with their shit ass condition as they tank basically the same and if you run them on the same setup you can get them tranformed after 7 turns without any problems just run future gohan on the team like you could put most characters in the same spot of fraudhan's and still beat the event
I never said LR Ulthan is a top-tier unit you need to run, but what I am saying he is much better than what people think even to your point. You are saying other units can do the same, right so what? Beast directly helps Ulthan to get his supers WHICH HE DOES. And you saw in the video he tanks double digits from UI Omen while hitting for 18 mil per super. His supers are no longer an issue since Beast provides so much ki to Ulthan and now he can perform on a great level. I am not saying he is better than any of the 9th anni super heroes units but he is better than (minus Piccolo) all the ones before. You are just missing the overall point of the flaws that Gohan once had people are saying he still has, which he just doesn't now. He gets his supers, he gets his ki and Beast can take normals away from Ulthan so he can super freely while providing Beast his 7 links. He also has ki blast null which helps a lot in these tough fights. He is nowhere near bad now, you can easily get is 24 ki allowing you get that additional super.
while its true that his biggest weakness is now gone my problem with him is not tanking omen ui goku normals thats most characters can do like its not something speciel the REAL normals are gogeta normals cell max normals that can tear threw his guard and trunks normals after super even if you come and say but he can be protected but the problem is that he isnt really fixed again the problem wasnt just his ki but the fact that only on super he build up his passive which makes him inconsistant as well as he will die from the aoes of gogeta which is the hardest fight in the game now i understand your arguement yes he became better but in the same time he became worse because the powercreep hits him as well look at the fact that he was a type advantage against ui omen which means his guard was still up which in most fights it wont be up and with that if your arguemnt will be the beast active again that doesnt make him better that makes beast more insane litteraly being able to carry saibaman threw this fights which again I wanna ask why would you run him in the first place im not saying top 10 unit im not saying top 20 unit im not even saying top 30 unit this guy is much much much lower on the list and yes we will compare him to orange piccolo as he came out IN THE SAME TIME AS HE!! he does ok damage like at this point his damage is not super crazy or anything cause ya know a year past and characters like broly beast the gammas and gogeta came out as well as tons of other characters which in the end make me ask again why would you run this fraud of character in the first place? people sure can down play him i agree but its not that he should be ranked higher he is ranked where he should be @@legendaryred24
i just dont see him get close to top 20 lr and im saying LR forget about tur @@legendaryred24
@@yanyannolife326The issue is you are calling him a fraud while also saying while not run these shiny new 9th anni characters over a character that released before the 8th anni. That is a dumb and invalid argument. It is like saying LR STR FP Cooler was a fraud when LR STR GT Duo came out. On top of that we hit the biggest power creep in dokkan history so if you wanna say well 9th anni makes him still look bad well then look at Piccolo in those fights as well lol he doesn't handle them too well either. In fact I will make the argument and say NO UNIT pre 9th anni that has not been EZA'd is a fraud by your standards. Why run PHY Toppo and the LR Ginyu Force when you can just run Beast's team. Why summon for Goku and Buu when you can just run Super Heroes, that is just a dumb argument. We already knew Ulthan was not gonna be able to handle the 9th anni powercreep, but uh news flash neither can any unit pre-9th who has not had a recent EZA either. The point I am stating and I will state once more is you need to use Beast to take the problems away from Ulthan and before you say well he can even do that for a Saibamen so invalid, but a Saibamen is not guarding for the first two phases of a fight and doing 20 mil damage per super and then you reach the final boss you pop Beast and then he's fine. I want you to name 30 units not from the 9th anni or later (On JP's schedule) that are better than LR Ulthan I'll wait bc I am almost certain you will not have more than maybe 5. Which will prove my point he was overheated on release and Beast made it so he can reach the potential he was supposed to reach. He is very good in short fights, especially with Beast and that value will be known once the meta shifts back, which it will.
you wants names for characters who are better then him and do more? easy orange piccolo 23rd goku 17 and 18 fusion zamasu the z duo the gt duo ssj4 goku sword of hope trunks future gohan agl lr ssj gohan ssj trio, vegeta and trunks, str kid gohan and piccolo I can continue you gotta understand im not here to talk about aging gracefully or not but you prob will get the same result if you even put the lr gods from the 7th year anniversry I could tech continue but like I feel like I proved my point unless you want me to say more characters cause I CAN even teq gohan does better job then him only because he potentially can reach 20 mil at the start of the fight with his intro up doesnt make him do better then most characters as damage is not the problem of his ITS THE FUCKING DEFENCE and now fights go for more then 3 turns you know? saying he is done his job by being under beast active doesnt make him a runable unit it makes him a high risk low reward character take him to redzone movie boss rush take him to supreme battle specticle take him to actual tough bosses and see what he can do yes he aged out but thats the fucking point he is an aged out unit like 99 precent of the game its not a shame its just that the meta has changed you know its long fights that are ruling right now now ofc the ui fight is still a decent fight which is nice that he does good there guarding for the 2 turns doesnt cut it you know how many people laugh on eza super vegeta because his 5 turn guard? you could very much just put him next to beast and act like people are fools for laughing on him and he just have 1 more turn of guard compare to lr beastless gohan im calling him a fraud because he was and still a fraud he never became the goat by any means the real goat is lr beast being able to carry him to win on his back Im sorry but I simply not seeing it like I used him and I ran him in the new hard fights so I know he is still the same fraud 1 million defence post super does not cut it anymore he gets washed by gogeta the only fight I can hear you out on is the beast fight as beast only super in slot one then sure you can hide him kinda @@legendaryred24
Phy gohan still sucks defensively because of how long the new fights are.
He can still struggle for sure, but the video isn’t to make a point like everyone needs use Ulthan. It is more so he is a useable unit 😂
Legendryred is teh better version of dbzmoe
Change my mind.
Appreciate it🫡
@@legendaryred24 your welcome bro
Vegeto Blue isn't close to one of the best Units in the game: Gogeta.
He 100% is lol, in terms of defense that is. Otherwise no, the utility Gogeta has is insane same with damage.
VB is King
Fr
why z duo hated? i find them better than gt duo
Because of how bad they can be in base. If they don’t quad super they die. To me they are only better than the GT Duo bc of their standby
@@legendaryred24 i use them both and i usually die because of the gt duo, the z duo tanks well to me
@@holychad1909 I think it can go either way tbh, but again the standby is much better for the Z Duo. They both suck defensively before standby tho.
They only have raw defense and rely on super more than gt duo. Also the gt duo have much lore utility with the 80% support and revive
this video is 50% useless (respectfully)
- I litterally never read hate about MUI Goku after the release of his EZA
- the way you try to defend Blue boys is simply wrong. Your only point is the hp restriction, but that‘s not the only problem of the unit. It‘s the round restriction. especially on Global, where most of the endgame content is „fast“ content or stages you don‘t need 10 rounds to win, you just can‘t get vegito out. Or just for 1-2 rounds. If you start a RZ and Vegito is in slot 7 you can get him out in round 7. that‘s just useless because you need to keep Blue boys alive for this amount of time. the hate is „right“
-Z Duo you talk about the bad baseform and the good standby. you really want to say a unit don‘t deserve hate if it‘s just usable in his standby to tank attacks and dealing 0 damage till you get out of standby? Broo
-str Vegitto don‘t get hate. worst case they got hated by bad/new players who simply have 0 glue about dokkan
last but not least fraudhan and toppo, valid points. They don‘t deswrve the amount of hate they get
Every unit I list on here get/ got hate on some shape or form. Whether you are connected enough to the dokkan community to see it is different but it was there and was/ is rampant. AGL MUI is still labeled dodge or die, STR Vegito is labeled a fraud bc feel like they can never transform him, and we are not talking about Global met a so 100% the point for the Blue Bois stand. I’m not talking about Global who are 6 months behind actual difficult content. But even then the issue is not the turns. Turn 7 is not that big of a deal since a good amount of units get to there best form around this time and that is the worst case scenario for VB. His best case is turn 5, which is perfect especially bc again we are in a long fight meta. Z Duo I can see where you are coming from but his standby is the most broken thing in the game minus Beast rn. You take 0 damage and you get to fully charge a nuke… he is extremely helpful especially against 9th anni fights which are longer and don’t start out as hard which allow you to stack Z Duo and then get them to standby which they will be in the rest of the fight while charging a nuke.
WHAT?! People hate toppo?!
Unfortunately
@@legendaryred24 After seeing the video, yeah no. Toppo ain’t the problem. It’s the players trying to play him brain dead. Ima pull this man on global when he arrive just for this unjust hate he is apparently getting from lack of skilled players.
Fradhan is still butt n Global
Yes he is lol
1:36
It's pretty much too late to defend this unit, not only he got outdone hard by Piccolo, he also wasn't the unit people wanted him to be, so everyone dismissed him as trash, me included, he can of course look good on turns where he gets lucky with supers, but that's about it. He will forever be remembered as Beastless Gohan.
2:56
Ah, the Blue Losers, every single time I've brought them to any kind of hard content they don't dodge the super and get immediately oneshot in slot one, the spot they are supposed to shine in, it's seriously flabbergasting that the same team that made Zamasu did this two losers too, no amount of coping will make me use them again, since most hard content punishes you for trying out bad units by limiting the attempts per day, and no, I am not bringing another unit to babysit him, why not just bring two competent units that can work by themselves right away instead.
4:07
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA, no, unless you show me Blue Zone clears with them with no items used.
Seriously, what were they thinking? This two might be the worst aging anniversary units ever, excluding the 5th year anniversary LR's (pre-eza) of course.
They would be good if phase 1's didn't oneshot you too now.
5:03
How the tables have turned, huh?
This dude isn't bad, it's just that LR Evo Blue Vegeta is the second best unit in the game, and this guy is simply not competing with that.
6:21
Same story as when they released pretty much, pre transform they are trash, post transform they are extremely good, but good enough to make me babysit them into becoming usable? Ehh, maybe I guess? Solely to reminisce about the good old days when I got them for the first time, can't say the same about the Blue Jobbers.
No. VB and Gohan objectively suck. Gohan has no purpose anymore and he provides nothing except trash defense to the team and VB is just a risk to run and even post transformation he already aged out. No damage and no defense.
VB 100% does not suck lol. A unit with 100% dodge after ba active and then after has 50% DR with 50% sucks alright buddy. Gogeta and Vegito Blue are the same unit defensively so idk what you are on about. Gohan yes he lost his use but he does not suck. He can handle most of the hard content (I’m not referring the #1 bosses) and be able to handle this pressure. The issue is you are comparing him to these 9th anni monsters. Compare him to the units that came out around his time and you’ll find very little units that can stand up to these crazy bosses yet Gohan gets all the hate because he’s “fraudhan” yet there are maybe 10 units pre 9th anni that can even handle 9th anni content.
@@legendaryred24 all 2023 units aged out. We are in a new meta. Idc if you came 5 years ago you cannot perform in new content you suck. 500k defense with 50% DR before attacking isn't good. Not to mention how bad future saga is atm and I am not trying to die while attempting to get mid out. That 100% dodge active is a one and done. Other than that he provides nothing. Cannot tank cannot deal damage. Not to mention there are many better slot 1 units than him so why sabotage my team by putting this loser in slot 1?
@@legendaryred24 also if there are 10 pre 9th anni units that can handle the meta, that means those 10 are good. Gohan isn't one of them. He cannot handle the new content so he sucks. End of story.
@@patricklitterallyit4164 you are missing the point of the video, I’m not saying the units are a must add now and use them as your premium options. Like dude there are 9th anni units that just came out of course you are using LR AGL FP Broly or LR STR Beast. What I am saying is they can handle the pressure if you do not have the new shiny premium units. I’m not saying to handicap yourself to use them but they aren’t awful units by any means these units are not hard to use at all. Especially VB. Gohan does require a little more work to make him good but he does the damage and has his guard (yes ik it goes away just pop Beast and he’ll be fine). VB has way more than 500k defense chief idk what VB you’ve been using lol. 1 mil defense 50% DR and 50% chance to dodge with 4 additionals at 11 mil and super effective against all types. He is literally Gogeta Blue without the extra dodge. If you like GB, VB is the exact same thing without the target skill.
@@patricklitterallyit4164 lol ight buddy, Gohan can handle the meta that is what I am saying he handles most of “Blue Zone” just fine he gets his additionals and gets his Ki thanks to Beast. I’m not telling you here is the secret Gogeta Blue killer I am saying people over hate these units for no reason while giving love to units like Future Gohan who can’t do a thing in 9th anni content lol. And back to VB sure future sucks but why are you stuck using VB on future? All you need is one person from future to be on the team.
LR Fruadhan is still bad. Lets all be fr now lol
Not really lol
@@legendaryred24 Unfortunately thats just the straight up truth, especially if we keep getting AoEs or even super AoEs he'll get worse and worse over time for hard content
@@Justicek02nd AOE’s are not present in the hardest fights at all so that’s not an issue
@@legendaryred24 Considering a new RZ dropped with AoE supers. So that can screw him, Old easier fights like zamasu still screw him... after her guard is up he simply can not hang unless you're using gogeta to protect him making him unable to even tank normals. Yeah he isnt good. Anyways have a good one nice content :)
hating Leasthan cuz he is bad for harder content : ✔
hating Leasthan cuz he doesnt have beast : ✔✔✔✔✔✔✔
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„The most overhated units“
And you mention beastless.
His hate is justified especially with the way the build up the hype for an actual beast gohan. Furthermore releasing his kit back in 2022 wasn’t great either.
He is by no means overhated.
Moreover blue boys also get justified hate due to how boring their base form is and their animations.
Also with all the respect vegito transformed isn’t as strong as phy gogeta blue. Gogeta does have way more utility, damage, more dodge chance, higher attack stats due to crit chance, target ability etc
It’s like comparing a coughing baby to a nuclear bomb.
@@user-qt6vd8ry1p not really damage sure he has crit chance, but numbers are very similar while VB can dish out 4 supers at 11 mil with super effective against all types, GB 100% has more utility, and yes more dodge, but VB also has 50% DR so if he gets hit he’s not getting blasted the same way GB would. Really the reason of statement for that was bc they are similar in terms of defense and without crit on GB damage as well not necessarily the target skill and etc just base performance
Blue Bois hate for “basic animations and base form” doesn’t even make sense. That’s just hating to hate that point/ a personal preference for then a valid reason to hate.
You just mentioned the exact reason why he was over hated as well for Ulthan. He is over hated bc he was advertised as Beast and we didn’t get Beast that is it, case closed. He is still one the best pre 9th anni units in the game and is still able to handle a majority of tough fights in this game (not talking about Gogeta Blue or movie boss rush or SOH Trunks) but people hate on him as if he can’t do anything which he can, and he can do it even better now next to Beast which helps the holes in his kit. These units are 100% overhated because of responses like these. You didn’t mention a single useage issue with these units you just listed reasons to hate them for no reason
@@legendaryred24 gogeta has way higher atp with his 18 ki and 12 ki sas (and also does more consistent sas)
For reference I saw the video of dokkan world where both were in a rotation and had gt vegeta as a support. Furthermore enemies do have way higher defense so crit do sadly matter.
Finally while it’s true vegito has the better slot 1 defense due to 50% dr it sadly doesn’t matter in the long run due to his sot being rather low. Rn his typing is great thats why he can hold up slot 1 against str gogeta blue though against other typing he most likely dies.
Thats why gogeta blue > vegito blue easily combined with the fact that gogeta has also his team protecting abilities, rainbow orb changing and two turn healing.
@@legendaryred24 I think overhated is the wrong title for your video. Underrated is more fitting because I think you mean how those units hold up in the current meta like blue boys and beastless ? In terms of content both have good fights beastless has cell max and blue duo can perform well against str gogeta
what is Dokkan even about
Team Building game where you have to build teams in order to take down crazy bosses. Plus summoning and gathering characters
@@legendaryred24 DBL Candy Crush hard mode without PvP?
@@SandshrewEnthu1 DBL the tapping simulator?
@@legendaryred24 DBL the grinding simulator
beastless is trash
Skill issue
Buuhan is better than super vegito, sorry buddy
lol no he isn’t