The Zoo Hypothesis: The Creepy Solution to the Fermi Paradox
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- What if everything you knew was a lie? Discover the Zoo Hypothesis, a startling theory that suggests we're not alone in the cosmos, but isolated by advanced alien civilizations. Dive in now!
All I know is. We (Earth) better keep an eye open for any Intergalactic Travel Route construction notices!
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@MrPeterheveran you rang?
I'm not to worried, I have my towel.
Thank you for all the fish.
Be careful, that Vogon poetry can be deadly.
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” - Arthur C. Clarke
Great quote, I also use it with regard to the existence of God, as well as the idea of an infinite universe.
Why would it be terrifying if we are or aren't alone?
I understand repeating other people's quotes, but really, do you find it terrifying?
Do you believe in the spirit world or afterlife, other dimensions?
Is their any difference of not being alone if so?
@@fatmayo2293 honestly I just like the quote, but you seem to want more, so…
Think of any interaction between groups on Earth meeting for the first time with a massive power imbalance. How did that turn out for the less powerful group?
We will most likely be the less powerful group in any interaction of this kind as they will be contacting us.
Can you see why that might be scary?
@@kevinmcqueenie7420your just scared to be lonely.
@firstnamelastname9215 and you're just a troll 😂
There are more UA-cam shows presented by this dude than there are grains of sand on all the beaches on earth.
And the guy that does BRIGHT SIDE also does a lot. But he doesn't care if shit is clickbait.
It's lame...dude is astroturfing youtube because he thinks he's the David Attentboro of youtube junk science clickbait. I'm just blocking all the channels he's on, at this point.
@@WhoaBookay go be a loser then
@@WhoaBoGo be a loser then
Just subscribe to every channel u see him on
if we're living in a zoo, my enclosure needs to be cleaned.
Maybe we are the Milky Way’s North Sentinel Island.
Yea we're definitely hostile natives
or we could be California. 😂
The North Sentinelese are enlightened, they're closer to the advanced aliens, they see how terrible psychological capitalists are, and want them to stay away.
Earth is the galactic mobile home park complete with meth lab.
Alien 1- "we found a planet with advanced life forms on it."
Alien 2- "Really? How advanced?"
Alien 1- "They have developed nuclear weapons"
Alien 2- "Oh, so it's intelligent life."
Alien 1- "I wouldn't say that. They have them trained on themselves."
Alien 2: Lets just not talk to them. I watch enough movie, the moment they notice us, it’s bad news
Alien 1: I agree. They got issues with themselves and everything else in their own world, what would they do elsewhere.
Alien 3- They seem to still be under the illusion that they are all separate beings.
Send more mushrooms urgently.
No earth's actually an intergalactic reality show. Haven't you seen South Park?
They put deer, humans, and asians together all on the one planet. Kinda crazy.
And we are making One hell of a show!
the truman show on a planetary scale
They thought they wiped everyone's memory of that, I'm glad to see others remember Earth is the most popular reality show in the universe
It's just a matter of time before humans are voted off.
For aliens, humanity is like the large dysfunctional family next door: there's one or two of them you feel sorry for having to live in that situation who are kind and good, but the rest of the family is so screwed up, irrational, mean and crude that you're glad you have a privacy fence.
What makes you think they are any better than us? Every living creature on earth shows aggression, will kill when required. What makes you think aliens would automatically be all about peace and love? Just this weird anti humanism that is so common today.
I like to think of earth as a third world planet
@@MinnesotaGuy822 imagine if we find another race of aliens and they are the stupid/greedy/violent ones
What an accurate description of Russia
It’s bold of us to assume that they care. I feel like the Fermi Paradox is just the cosmic equivalent of wondering why your crush doesn’t text you back.
Bingo!
Any actual intelligent being would care, even about the smallest activities.....what is more likely is if others do exist , they are too busy worrying about their own struggles for survival.....
@@hawks7775 Or maybe realintelligent beings avoid faux intelligent ones.
@@hawks7775This makes the assumption that we aren't merely ants in comparison. Other animals are routinely demonstrating to be more intelligent than we initially expected, but rarely do we ever bother to consider them and even when we do, we never treat them as equals. If a civilization exists which sees our particle accelerators as closer to that of the invention of fire than what they possess why would they have any reason to care about us?
@@jhemp because we all know they would've been through the same phases as us, the fact that they are ahead of us now wouldn't change how curious they'd be about our intelligence level....we are constantly curious about human history particularly Egyptian or Mayan culture and every level of evolution and the development of not only intelligence but also consciousness.....and if any other beings had intellect enough to want to explore space that tells you a lot about their potential positive and negative situation on their own planet....the phrase necessity is the mother of invention certainly rings true with any living creatures....and curiosity is also at the Frontline of all minds.....
As Jill Tarter said; "go to the Ocean side and scoop up a glass of Salt water - well look here - no life in that - so the entire ocean must be barren of life." That's how far we have gotten so far in our search for ET; one glass of water's worth in an entire ocean.
Yup! That is also exactly how people ignore mountains of evidence, because that glass of seawater has *millions* of different kinds of bacteria, plankton, and even viruses in it.
The skepticism most people have for ET/UFO eyewitness accounts or hard evidence is insane to the point of psychosis. They will call anything a hoax or fake. Hell they'd deny that ET exists even after one got in the shower with them!
Except there's life, you just need the correct tools to find it. So it's even worse.
The reason why we don’t see or hear about E.T.s for reasons of national security or whatnot, and it’s absolutely terrifying. We got sold out as the human race awhile ago, truth is sad and amazing but a higher evolved being reading your thoughts and can paralyze you on the spot or influence you to comm!t $uic!de or remotely pinch the carotid arterie and hav a stroke
Good luck taking a cup of ocean water that is devoid of life. 😂
"If I want sarcasm, I will ask my 11-year-old." - Pliny the Elder.
Claiming "we are alone" while fully "knowing" how big the universe is, and how many insane places to find life on earth alone, shows a definite lack of imagination 🖖
Farts too
I'd argue there's a third option. They could exist, they're just not like us, and we don't even know what signatures we should be looking for.
That still falls under the second option
@@ng8tvinfluence78 Ok. Supoose they are the same. When did they start tramsmitting because we have only 200 years of blasting abnormalities
Or, that it is genuinely physically impossible to travel those distances in any reasonable time frame. Or that it's just too expensive to bother with looking into Earth for any of our neighbors.
@@WaywardVethypothetically it’s extremely hard to detect radio signals from another planet. The window in which civilizations use these frequencies is very small. We are already pumping most signals through fiber optic cable etc
I think the zoo hypothesis and this third option. Aliens keep us at a distance, and we wouldn't know where to look regardless.
Aliens: "We don't talk to civilizations that almost trapped themselves with a barrier of space junk."
This is actually what I thought as a kid , that we are that guy that lives next door that has a messy yard
Space debris is exiguous relative to the Earth’s scale.
"Kessler Syndrome" is a bit troubling, but surely fixable eventually with lasers and/or launching sticky globby junk absorbers
@@patsk8872don’t worry about it,most of it will eventually fall back down to an earth devoid of any humans (if these climate alarmists are to be believed)😂
That won’t happen we would invent a space net
My belief about the Fermi Paradox rests on distance and time. I think the great filter between us (and all other intelligent life forms) and an interstellar civilization is that it is way too difficult or even impossible to get between stars. The light speed barrier appears to be a hard rule in our universe. If things with no mass to slow them down all travel at the same speed through a vacuum, then that implies there is some fundamental aspect of space or vacuum that prevents them from going faster. And us massive beings are forced to go even slower.
Thus, even trying to get to the nearest star would be a massive, expensive undertaking of multiple generations. The odds of a ship surviving long enough to get there are slim, and if you want to have actual living humans do it, the odds get close to impossible. Alien civilizations are likely to run into those same limits and reach the same conclusions. Why try to send a probe to another star system when the odds of it working are slim, the cost to do so is high, and the time it would take is so long? There are better things to do. So they all do the same as us, listen and watch, hoping someone else decides to take that leap.
But listening and watching has its own limits. When we look out into space, we're also looking back in time. Look too far away, and we're probably looking at things before any intelligence evolved. So there is a bubble around us within which we aren't looking too far back to see anyone. However, within that bubble is a lot of star systems that are too young, too volatile, or just inhospitable. Not to mention that a planetary system could be very old, but an intelligent civilization took a long time to develop, so even if the system is close, the civilization is too young for us to see, yet. There could be thousands of civilizations that are too far away for us to be able to detect yet, too young for us to be able to detect yet, or too different for us to be able to detect.
That brings me to another issue. The one scientist said we would be able to detect biomarkers on any planet soon, and that's just ludicrous. For one thing, we're still scratching the surface of finding exoplanets. We couldn't see Earth from any real distance because our orbit is too far from our sun to be noticeable, but our type of planet, around our type of star, at our type of distance is the best candidate for life like ours. Planets around red dwarfs may be easier to find, but they are also going to be hit by large amounts of radiation. Any large planets, which are also easier to find, are unlikely to have life like ours. Their moons might, but finding an exomoon is even harder than finding an earth-type planet around a sun-like star.
And even if we did, what would we consider a biomarker? We've found quite a few so-called biomarkers on other planets, and every time there are caveats that certain non-biological processes could make them or that some as yet unknown non-biological process could make them. So even if we found something that was, in fact, made by life, we're unlikely to even be sure we have.
So, in summary, interstellar civilizations may be rare or impossible, and trying to find non-interstellar civilizations out in space is incredibly difficult.
That's what I was going to say, but not so well and with less words!
@@gavinrowe6264 less words might be better...
Scientists seem to have this idea that if we can't reach far enough to detect alien life forms they will reach us, it's just not possible with space being so vast with the restriction of speed and time. All the money spent on space travel should be focused on making our world a better place for all. Earth should be a utopia and it would be if it wasn't for humans not being able to get on.
UFOs have left the chat... 🛸🛸🛸
Oh, and the JWST has already detected biomarkers on an exoplanet. This was one of the intended benefits of building an infrared telescope.
The Universe is so unbelievably vast, even if there are 1,000's of other civilizations out there, imagine 1,000's of people on earth scattered randomly. You would likely never see another person.
Could be said even for just our galaxy
Them: "Take us to your leader. The one that speaks for all of you."
Me: "You may talk to me. Come back in 500 years. We are not ready, yet."
From strictly a numbers point of view only, there's most likely life out there somewhere in the vast expanse of the universe but it's probably (unfortunately or fortunately) not complex life.
The insane amount of things that had to happen jussssstttt right for us to be here right now watching content from the Simon Whistlerverse are simply extraordinary.
I liked the version of the Zoo Hypothesis Carl Sagan included or implied in Contact, it was an interesting take that kind included so many different concerns to the Fermi Paradox, Filters, and what have you; with a Zoos upon Zoos and many Filters kind of implication. The Aliens in Contact have a non interference policy, and only make contact in "baby steps." But they also reveal during their first direct contact with Humans to look into certain maths and at certain stellar features. The end of the book reveals most likely the entire Universe itself is part of a higher level's Zoo or simulation. They discover that in pi there is nothing but 1's and 0's for a very long sequence and then the numerical sequence repeats, better still somehow the 1's and 0's make up or plot out the image of a circle when visually displayed; suggesting our very universe's physics are controlled and this understanding is part of the next "baby step" to joining the galactic and/or universal civilisations.
The fact that you (and many others) completely narrowed whole complex question into only HUMAN life and for most part narrowed it even more by defining human life only by its meaningless technology is self-explanatory...and it kinda is giving you an answer. Because you really are alone if only think you look at is a mirror.
it's not a paradox, it's a mere open question with so many contributing factors to the solution it doesn't even have real implications to the life in the universe.
1) as intelligence is only one of many survival traits its evolution is not granted on a living planet. this alone narrows the multi-planet civilizations into minimum and also limits their technological development due to time potential of the single home planet
2) all species evolve into the specific conditions of their planet, meaning that any migration to other planets and stars will always require full scale terraforming to be possible, which is a major technological step that most of the intelligent life probably wont reach (we haven't)
3) the life expectancy of a civilization might not be very long on a cosmic scale, narrowing down the amount and level of technological civilizations born and the chance they spread to other systems
4) the obvious vast distances of space. the distances are so massive it narrows down the spreading potential of the civilizations again into a fraction of the already small. this also means that those few civilizations who reach this level are bound to spread absurdly slowly across the galaxy, and probably never be able to spread onto another galaxies
5) the space is probably absolutely filled with small space gravel (leftover from planetary collisions and formations) that's nearly impossible to shield but capable of annihilating any unshielded spaceship colliding onto it at traveling speeds. this is especially true inside the solar systems, greatly reducing the amount of civilizations to ever spread out to the stars, as any collision will end an entire colony
6) any radio and similar wave signs of a civilization is minuscule at the cosmic scale, meaning the signs will get lost and distorted to the sheer volume of the background noise of space, and also probably also weakened to nonexistence by the collisions with all the clouds and other matter filling the space. it is also undefined what kind of wave trace should a civilization leave at its different stages of technological development, meaning we don't really even know what we are looking for
7) only technological civilizations give any detectable radio or similar wave trace of themselves to the space, ruling out literally 99,999...% of all life in the universe. while very high concentrations of life technically can be detected via telescopes, we have just barely discovered this technology ourselves and are only starting to study the exoplanets for traces of possible life. and the possibilities of all the different signs a life could leave in its planets trace is not defined, nor is it said that all life will ever effect their planet so much its visible to space.
and these are just from the top of my head. it has literally so many contributing factors and solutions that calling it a paradox by anyone actually studying life has to be either ideological or paid opinion.
1. May be easier to leave our physical form and ascend into other dimensions/realities than space faring.
2. Double slit experiment was indication we're in a simulation and the mindboggling size of the universe isn't really accessible/real.
There really is unlimited reasons and all these fermi paradox, dark forests ect are meaningless until we get more data points.
This video misses one of the core aspects of the zoo hypothesis: that we are unimportant. Humans don't feel the need to "make contact with" every colony of ants, or when every pod of whales. We study them to some degree, but we generally view them as a commodity.
There's no reason why aliens who can master interstellar / interdimensional travel would see us any differently.
As for the "Fermi paradox", it turns out there may not be much of one at all. We really don't do that much SETI. So unless aliens are advanced enough to literally come knock on our door, there may be plenty of technological civilizations we've missed simply because we're not looking.
Perfect example: the "WOW!" signal. Most likely alien signal captured so far. But the monitoring equipment only captured signal strength, not data. We've checked back on that part of space a few times over the decades, but nowhere even close to a 24/7 monitoring - more like a few days every few decade.
Conversely, we've only ever sent one "WOW!" signal ourself, using the aricebo dish as a transmitter. It was thousands of times more powerful than our regular radio traffic and might easily become an alien civilization's "wow" signal.
Love the moment Simon drops his serious voice at the bit where he says hello to any aliens watching! You can literally see the moment the implication in the script hits his brain and he panics slightly 😂
Simple life forms are probably common. Advanced life is probably far less so. But intelligent, space fairing and emission emitting life is going to be the rarest.
Precisely, people assume because humans only took a few hundred thousand years to evolve that this would be the baseline. So in 13 to maybe even 26 billion years there should be more advanced life than us right? Unless we just got unfathomably lucky in the evolutionary timeline.. hence what I like to call the "Lucky Earth" hypothesis.
@itstonberrytime well, we evolved quickly once we got here, but it took billions of years for early humans to even evolve in the first place. And if the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs hadn't hit, there might still be no technologically advanced civilization to find here.
Technological Intelligence is only one of many evolutionary solutions to evolutionary pressures. There is no guarantee that every planet follows a similar trajectory.
@@itstonberrytime The other pretty important aspect to this is how long that life form exists. The universe is old, if advanced life exists for say 30k years and randomly takes rapid leaps forwards like we have in the last couple of hundred years that wipe the entire planet's resources out in that time, before they're able to become an interplanetary species.
What are the chances that we happen to occur in the same timeline as them? That our 200 years of progress and actively looking for them before we run out of resources just happens to line up with the couple hundred years that they are also advanced enough to be space fairing in a 14bn year old universe just seems miniscule, even if it was pretty common.
The other loophole in this problem is the assumption that all life can only happen under similar circumstances to us. They're looking for chemical signals that would be given off after the algae bloom or through activity similar to humans etc. but if life can evolve under many different circumstances it could be right there and we'd just never see it because we can only see chemical signals
That's assuming a lot lol Anything is as likely as the next thing,when you're talking about things that occurr 1 in 1 trillions of trillions.
Well what we know, is what we can see and prove. So unfortunately we only have a sample size of 1, but anywhere on Earth you look, life isn't just there, it's thriving. Talking about extremophiles, and all life we know of is carbon based, there is even some recent studies that suggest silicate based life forms may not be possible. So all we can do is look for the type of life we know exists, rather than attempt to look for something that might exist. I'm confident the universe is teeming with life, but the likelihood of a species evolving to this level of intelligence, without destroying themselves, while also feeling the need to look out or explore space and use their resources for that goal.. seems far less likely to me. I think our particular set of circumstances was unimaginably rare.
We're just an alien 5th grader's science fair project. We're now just hanging around on a dusty shelf in some alien basement with all the other alien household flotsam.
Ah the ending to Krumpus come to mind.
A single celled organism would view a small pond as beyond comprehension in size i have no further comments
If I were advanced, I would not allow such a violent species into the fold.
I imagine them watching us developing the atomic bomb and saying, "Oh, no! The kids found the matches!"
Israel is ruining it for us.
Maybe, but who knows what an alien civilization's view of violence is. Maybe atomic bombs are just like kids playing with matches (like the comment above me). It's all relative.
@-xxMelissaxx- That thing called irrational thought.
@@-xxMelissaxx-I would make the case to say regardless of whether the atomic bomb is viewed as the greatest threat to civilization or as unassuming as a match reaching out to a civilization too xenophobic to see humans born with different skin colors and traditions as being the same species and worthy of respect would be a dumb move. Until humanity is more or less united and we are generally passed the point of war, there doesn't really appear to be any reason they should bother, lest they create an unnecessary risk for themselves. Humanity is too competitive to justify interacting with.
I also like the concept that either we're first to the party or a bit worryingly, we're last to the party, and in fact, everyone else has gone home. That is evolved beyond existing anymore
This is weird.... Literally 2 hours ago I reached the chapter in Professor Chris Impey's book Worlds Without End, which deals with the Fermi paradox, including the Zoo Hypothesis.
It'd actually be weirder if that didn't happen lol With the amount of people on our planet,and the amount of possibilities,it's actually weirder when something DOESNT happen.
It's not weird, somebody with that interest is bound to watch a video like this.
Yeah, no..... that's not weird. It's one of the most discussed topics in science after climate change. If you're really interested in Fermi paradox, One channel has hundreds of videos on the topic; EVENT HORIZON. Featuring just about everyone with credentials in the field.
That is what I say my phone is spying on me.
@@jeffdroog it's the oroximity of me reading the book on my lunch break to the video being published yhst was the coincidence.
I did a doubletake when you mentioned Ian Crawford. I studied Astrophysics at UCL between 1985 and 1988, and he was a post-grad student who did some teaching work.
It's weird how many of these hypotheses end up coming back around to the idea of some sort of higher life form that exists beyond our perceivable reality.
Either we are alone or we aren’t, both are terrifying
Plagiarism has been detected
Bot comment for sure. Didn’t even quote the man.
I think it's just too hard to travel between stars. I believe we will not find a faster than light method and trying to travel at close to light speed is too dangerous because of the amount of "stuff" you would run into. Radiation is a real issue with few options to protect occupants for long space flight. This issue becomes far more dangerous when you get into interstellar space. Gravity issues are also far more critical than is represented by the space industry.
This and rare earth hypothesis are my two number 1 guesses for the fermi paradox.
having two number one guesses might be a paradox lol
@@darrinhearn762you got here 27 minutes before I did! THIS close!!!
I'm going for the simulation hypothesis, seems more logical. Then again the virtual aliens might have put us in a zoo.
This is written by someone that has watched star trek to much. First, we can't even read languages that we invented after they were forgotten. We can't communicate with any life form on earth other than humans. What makes you think they will be able to understand us and vice versa. A computer from 40 years ago can't communicate with a modern computer. What makes you think they could develop a computer language to communicate with us? Second, humans are no more brutal than every species on earth. We just have tools that make it easier. Ants have wars, monkeys keep and hold territory (and raid other monkeys), and animals have no problem wiping each other out if they could. The reason the don't as they get close to wiping their food out, it becomes more scarce and the system rights itself by the hunters starving. Finally, there is no reason why an alien would have fingers, eyes that see in the visible spectrum, etc. We just got lucky. Our intelligence isn't even normal as it happened once.
Everybody is being quiet because of the Dark Forest.
One way to evaluate this theory is to ask what would we do if we were the super advanced civilization coming across a less advanced one?
It is a reasonable possibility that we would study a new species/civilization without directly interfering. We wouldn’t need their resources as there are plenty of solar systems out there and abundance of asteroids to mine.
For me the Rare Earth Hypothesis, Zoo Hypothesis, and the ‘we lack the technology to detect them at these distances’ hypothesis seem the most likely to me.
I...well. Not exactly sure how to respond to this. Your comment is the fundamental script of this video. It's almost as if you saw the title,clicked, muted the video and typed your own take. I guess there's nothing wrong with that. Just a little strange.
No lol Nothing about us should be used as a comparison to something we don't know lol Sit down their kiddo.Maybe read a coloring book.Little more your speed lol
@@marshalljordan5956 He is just really slow.
And what after your study reveals that in time their biology/mind will outdo you if left to it's own devices? That's not going to go down well. The characteristics of lifeform A, it's biology is so different to ours it will think and process signals in their brains 3 times faster and the way they absorb food means that energy wise we can't fight them physically. They move too fast and are too big. You better do something while you're on top and have the advantage.
@@jeffdroog you decided to be unnecessarily rude, and condescending when all they did is express their opinion. So rude and unnecessary. Be a better human being and less like a grumpy old troll.
I don't do alien probing. That's why I bought a car with a Trunk Monkey.
the mach5?
The alien barrier isolating earth, or the solar system might be so advanced no radio waves or anything other could leak through. As for the Hart-Tipler cojecture, this advanced barrier might put up an advanced "wallpaper universe" hiding the real universe around us.
I feel like one of the great bottlenecks that we don't talk about enough is when we speak of Alien Civilizations as a whole. For example, we on earth have gotten to a point of advancement with technology that seems pretty high but may have gone even farther with more peace than conflict, but can a species even exist where they are peaceful enough to innovate without restriction?
I know this might not make sense cause I am terrible with words, however I hope my meaning is discernible.
There's also the most literal version of the zoo hypothesis: Earth is the space equivalent of a national park and no visitors are allowed simply because it's supposed to be left undisturbed.
That being said, my preferred theory is the Rare Earth Hypothesis, followed by the Great Filter hypothesis, where I'd argue the filter is much more likely to be in the past because we're just *that* close to being able to spread across the galaxy already, and once a species starts colonizing other planets, it's incredibly difficult to imagine a Great Filter happening.
There are for sure Great Filters in front of us. AI, ask the most advanced forms of them currently what our chances are of surviving AGI and it's as low as 30% Max Tegmark even said in interview, at home I look at my kids and wonder if they're going to make it re AI. That is alarming all by itself. Most experts in the field think it could happen at any time. How many discoveries and breakthroughs have come by ACCIDENT?
i think faster than light travel will be a huge filter to a real interstellar empire
Whenever the Fermi paradox is discussed, people will inevitably offer "solutions" that only explain hypotheticals of why single planets are silent.
A *solution* to the Fermi paradox requires an explanation that fits every single possible scenario where communicating life could evolve.
There is a simple-ish one. Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. Even if there are 100 billion space-faring civilizations in the observable universe right now, that's still fewer than 1 per galaxy. What ends up happening is you are trying to find any one of 100 billion very specific needles in more than 100 billion needle stacks. Now, assuming Cosmic Inflation/Lambda-CDM is correct and all these galaxies are speeding away from us at ever-increasing break-neck speeds, it actually becomes less and less likely we'll discover them as time goes on, no matter how sophisticated our detection technology gets. Whether we are alone or simply one of a trillion civilizations, it doesn't matter. We are functionally alone in the universe.
Now as far as very simple life is concerned, we'll probably find that it is fairly common and we'll be able to detect it fairly easily in our local neighborhood, if not our own solar system. And probably quite soon.
I think the sheer vastness of both distance and time could keep us separated. Imagine if 10 people were placed at random places in Africa at random times over a 1000 year timespan. Each person's chance of running into another person is very very low. I think we're in a comparable situation.
@@Wulfyrbeautiful said dude. I share this view point. Almost makes it irrelevant if there is or isn’t intelligent life out there.
@@Wulfyrpost your comment as a Comment and not just a Reply to someone else’s comment. Your opinion deserves a bigger audience sir . 👍🏿✌️
@Jamie_Wulfyr that's a scary possibility... because it implies none of those 10 individuals offspring survived and spread out enough to meet the others.
That's sort of the paradox. It's not just "why are there no aliens on other planets" it's *"why haven't **_all_** galaxies been totally occupied".* why is it quiet everywhere?
Even if species are ancient, where are their descendants?
... it boils down to what is killing off everyone?
One thing I think is often overlooked is time. Human civilization has existed, in an astronomical sense, for but a brief moment.
The chances of finding extraterrestrial life, or it finding us, is extremely low. We are such a young species that we're just starting to scratch the surface of this mystery.
Yes we are the only life form that lives in our time, anything outside our solar system is living in a different time. The further we look for life the further back in time we go so why would aliens have advanced any further than humanity? Unless they suddenly appear on our doorstep we would never know they exist.
Omg Simon! You were not the person I expected when I clicked on this. A new channel? I must subscribe!
I'm blocking all his channels. Every show he does is click-bait and pop-science, and now he has just become straight up annoying.
@WhoaBo evidently tens of thousands of people disagree with you and are willfully fueling his career.
Solution to Fermi paradox is biological life never survives the invention of AI.
Another channel?!?! How in the hell is that even possible? Subbed.
We need to get him to start nature graphics or nature projects
You're late. And yes we need nature graphics....
"There are only two possibilities. Either we are alone in the universe or we ar not. Both are equally terrifying."
Arthur C. Clarke.
We are isolated by time, direction, and distance, and so are they. That is all you need to know.
Amen.
The only way you could be so sure is if you yourself are an alien 🤨
Look for a video called 'Over 53 New Alien Dyson Sphere Candidates Detected'. These are within 1500 light years of here, with many only a few hundred ly away.
Also Tabby's Star AKA WTF Star... all the idiotic 'natural' explanations do not fit the evidence, it gets even weirder as that's a star similar to our own... then when someone looked at the long term dimming in 60+ year old data they found that another dozen stars next door to that one have the same unprecedented long term dimming, but *only* the same size/type of stars F -type and G-type... and *only* right next to the first one.
@Hurricayne92 Just to get a message from the nearest star would require 8 years to get a reply at light speed. That's even if it's repeated and you ou know it's coming, and your radio telescope is pointed in the right direction in the right frequency.
The point is, it's incredibly unlikely we will intercept any techno signatures anytime soon, but just in case we win the cosmic lottery, we should still look.
With that said, all you need to know that life exists in the universe is to look in the mirror and realize that everything you're made of exists in abundance throughout the universe.
Exactly, and if not, we are sufficiently isolated and protected by our global narcissism.
Perfect firewall!
I worked for years for a world renowned microbiologist who had been married to a world famous astronomer. you'd think between the two they'd have the answers to the questions as how unique - and therefore insight - could their pairing produce? they did not. the microbiologist felt the astronomical chain of events that led to intelligent life on our planet would be impossible to be recreated elsewhere. but that was human-like life so...i hope when we die we get all the questions we had in life answered
The Dark Forest is by far the creepiest solution to the Paradox. Even more so if you read the Dark Forest book in the three body problem series
Its not really logical though. Any civilization that has the ability to travel to other stars also surely has the ability to discover other civilizations via probes.
The Dark Forest isn't that logical a solution since applying it to human history suggests we shouldn't have today's nearly global interconnected civilisation.
Thank you, I’ve been thinking this about the Fermi paradox for ages!
The surest indication that there is intelligent life in the universe is that it has never made an attempt to contact us.
I'm not sure which possibility is more terrifying- that we're not alone, or that we are
It's one of those existential dread things, lol. But we probably won't know either for a long time. Or ever. But, hey! Who's to say we don't find out tomorrow?
Not only you are terrified but also mr Clarke
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”' - Arthur C Clarke.
Being alone is much more terrifying... Imo
There's always one person copying Arthur C Clark's quote trying to sound clever and insightful.
@@EdwardHinton-qs4ry Kinda backfires when the audience is somewhat well read. Sort of makes one look an ass. All one has to do to avoid that pitfall is GIVE CREDIT. Then one appears intelligent, well read, and graceful.
I like the dark forest theory. Advanced civilizations that last hide themselves, because anyone who broadcasts where they are is inviting attack by something more powerful than they are.
Something more powerful like what? If they're powerful enough to be afraid of, then they are powerful enough to leave a probe in every solar system without much trouble at all.
That probe could then have a rocket and fuel to crash a large comet onto any planet that starts to advance enough to use stored energy on the planet that could have been used by the aforementioned aggressive "something"...
Basically, if natural observations of biological human scale consciousness was not valued, we statistically should expect to have been crowded out already (not abnormally early or spread out).
Since an abundance of otherwise unsolved mysteries about the largest scale structuring of the universe exists (see dark energy, dark matter, cosmic inflation, the axis of evil, and anisotropic background radiation) it is less likely that simple distance/time explanations to the Fermi paradox are true.
That leaves the set, or group, of explanations of which the zoo hypothesis is a member of, with weaker nature preserve and biodiversity emergence support types of explanations being in the same vein or category, but with less micromanaging and direct control compared to a zoo.
Immediately apparent is that that their budget for tolerating emerging biodiversity would be limited by their overall position, and that an emerging species that replaced itself with runaway growth machines would undoubtedly trigger an immune response, and that helping to support and predict the emerging of new life, as opposed to looking for more advanced civilizations, would allow the more advanced civilizations to direct observational resources elsewhere in a type of very long view cat and mouse dynamic.
I like the scene in "Independence Day" where the ingénue hippy chick goes up on the top of the building and waves her "Welcome, Aliens!" cardboard sign at them, moments before she, everyone on the roof with her, the building and most of the city are vaporized by the alien ships atomic bomb-like death ray.
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**Some** aliens might be nice and noble, friends you haven't met yet. Others could make their living by being predators and parasites, exploiters like us. It's not true that every life form you meet is nice, so having a safe refuge is important. #Klingons #Borg
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I’m glad there are people much smarter than me who dedicate their entire lives working on things like this - because I enjoy just breathing in all of the information they come up with through observation and experimentation.
Philosophy and science are amazing, to behold their results.
Astronomy was my favorite elective in high school. I thoroughly enjoy every bit of it.
Also glad I don’t have to work on these issues ‘cause I genuinely just don’t think I could. Space and time are enigmatic. I’d probably go insane.
The entire mass of information we know is tiny compared to what we don’t. But it still makes me proud to be human. We’re impressive as fuck despite our flaws.
Within hundreds of thousands of years, a blink in celestial timescales; we went from fish - to banging rocks and sticks together, to the point where we can create near-limitless energy with nuclear and solar power.
We’re some genius-ass fish.
This hypothesis assumes that the technology to travel/communicate hundreds (probably thousands) of lightyears between civilizations is remotely possible.
It's my darkest fear, and I assume everyone else's since no one wants to imagine that there could be a practical limit to our technical progress and capabilities.
It's the most bleak answer (and most likely) that explains the Fermi paradox.
We don’t need to receive communication though. Where are the giant alien megastructures like Dyson swarms or whatever else advanced aliens might build?
@glyngreen538 The technology to build those may not be obtainable. Besides, even if you could build a Dyson swarm, why would you? It's a lot of effort to harvest energy you have no use for. What would you do with all of that juice? Especially if there's a practical limit for technology. (No wormholes, no warp drive, no Epstein/Expance Fusion Drive, no terraforming, no "subspace communication." Everything you have seen in science fiction may be literally impossible.
I don't want to think this is true because I don't want humanity to be virtually trapped on this planet. It's the bleakest answer to the problem. But if warp drive existed, we would have seen someone else with it by now.
I read a book called Space Rogues: The Adventures of Wil Calder that speaks about this very thing. In the book our solar system is basically North Sentinel Island. Nobody is allowed out and nobody is allowed in. I wouldn't be surprised if there are civilizations so far advanced from ours that we can't see them and they don't want anybody messing with us.
We are the biggest and best show in the Universe, bugs are the cameras and spiders are the directors.
I think the issue is distance combined with the universal speed limit, a.k.a. the speed of light. There may be other advanced civilizations out there, but they are so far away that even their radio signals haven't yet reached us.
By the time they do, the civilization could have come and gone. Such is the scale of our universe
I love the idea as it would explain so much, but it's also much more terrifying in a way.
Does the Caterpillar - know how to be a Butterfly - ' as above - as below ' - filterz are In Our Mindz alone !🇨🇦
The wow signal is the brainfart you are potentially referring to.
Perhaps the universe is observing us 😮
" INTELLIGENCE " be harder to Discover among OUR SOUP WORLD 🍀
I like the theory that WE are they advanced alien civilization. We’re one of the first to develop and we’re ahead of everyone else.
Zoo Earth sounds remarkable close to a theology. All hail our alien keepers.
At least we don't YET seem to have large religions growing around it, lets hope it stays that way.
South park did an episode on it, Earth is an intergalactic reality TV show
It makes sense that world peace would be a prerequisite.
But when you throw time into the argument, it tends to nullify everything doesn't it? It shouldn't be 'where is everybody' but 'when was/will be everyone'. The probability, given 13.7 billion years, that two or more species should exist and meet at the same time is infinitesimal, if not nil.
Why do the observers have to be in our universe? Our zoos recreate whole habitats for animals. If we're talking about a galactic habitat, it should be universally large. Especially since there is a known area beyond our ability to ever reach. It sounds like a good spot to put the figurative speaking, observer window.
The biggest problem with the Fermi Paradox and any of its solutions is the sheer scale of the universe. I remember doing the math once and if we assume one habitable body per star system and that Earth's history is relatively similar to any other life-bearing planets, then the percentage of those habitable worlds having even industrial civilizations is so low that we could expect the nearest alien civilization at over 60 MILLION light years away. Aliens would be so far away that if they pointed their telescopes at earth, theyd see the end of the dinosaurs and wouldnt think twice about us being anything special.
The most likely answer is that the universe is filled with life, even complex life and futuristic civilizations. But its just too damn big to matter
I have one for you.
Aliens are not part of this model.
This universe is one of an infinite number of universes currently being simulated on a quantum computer as a model designed to create evolving civilizations that hit the fermi paradox.
Someone in another reality asked a quantum computer how to solve the paradox and we infinite universes are the simulation to find the answer.
The amount of information you provide talking at such pace seems to stretch time.
I'm glad so many people are now realising that the vastness of time and space provide a reasonable solution to the alleged paradox.
Well, I find this Zoo Theory more credible than that Game Theory drivel about why there hasn't been any contact.
I think space-time itself is probably the great filter. I mean, the universe is only 14 billion years old, although I did see something about it possibly being twice that old but then I never saw it again so I don't know if I just imagined that or what lol. Anyway, not only are we moving away from each other in space and time but it's actually speeding up and the likelihood of the timelines for the species matching up and then the time it would take to reach each other, it doesn't seem very likely. Like I'm almost certain that we aren't alone completely but I also don't know if we really understand the scale of the universe at all, we are learning new things everyday. Things we used to take for granted are always coming into doubt. I don't think I would ever believe in the zoo hypothesis, I just don't believe that is a very realistic scenario lol. I also choose not to believe the dark Forest hypothesis just because that is terrifying. So maybe this is all just me rationalizing to minimize my own anxiety lol.
Thanks for the entertainment at work! 😂
One man’s zookeeper, another man’s God.
"There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years...."
Huh. Imagined this myself a decade ago, called it not a zoo, but a prison as we're dangerous, violent and unpredictable monkeys....
They're already here and have been around for tens of thousands of years.
*"Send more Chuck Berry."*
*If only they had been recording TV shows since 1936 on. Hardly any exists from the early days before 1960.*
There's the Farm Hypothesis too where they're observing humans and humans are secretely being harvested..
Often overlooked in the question of does life exist elsewhere in the universe is what it must mean to not only exist but have the potential to travel across the insane vastness of space. It is easy to recognize that the mere fact that we ourselves exists, is proof, in itself, that life evolves within our universe. It is also easy to notice that because the basic building blocks that allowed us to exist are common across our universe and thus making it highly likely that life has or will also evolve in other parts of the universe as well. But so what if it did or does? How does that matter to us? If life evolved elsewhere at the same time we have, or 10,000 years in the past or future on some planet thousands of light years away, we will never know about it. There may be millions of other life forms on other planets that come and go, maybe even living for millions of years before their planets are destroyed by changes within their own solar system. We’d likely never know about any of them if they or us don’t reach significant space travel technology. Especially if, like us, they are intent on destroying themselves before they reach such technological advancement to venture not only into space, but beyond their own solar system.
Any civilization who has that level of space travel technology also has significant destructive technology, meaning they are easily capable of destroying themselves just as much as we are capable of destroying all life on Earth with our level of technology. But do they also have sufficiently advanced mental and social development to survive having such destructive technology? Or are they like a five year old playing with a hand grenade, like we appear to be?
The quest to understand the potential existence of extraterrestrial life prompts profound reflections on the nature of technological evolution, societal progress, and the delicate balance between advancement and self-destruction. The premise that other intelligent life forms have likely reached technological sophistication to venture into space raises critical questions about the crucial interplay between mental, social, and technological development.
The crux of the matter lies in whether a civilization can transcend its innate aggressive tendencies, the very instincts that fueled dominance on their home planet. As a species advances technologically, the hope is that it also undergoes parallel mental and social growth, creating a harmonious equilibrium that safeguards against self-destruction. The ability to traverse vast cosmic distances implies a certain level of maturity in managing the complexities that arise from technological prowess. In other words, any species that might visit us on Earth, must not only have developed significant space travel technology, but must also have developed mentally and socially sufficiently to survive having lower levels of significant destructive technologies, or they would not exist to visit us here.
In contemplating the cosmic perspective of an advanced alien species, it becomes plausible that they would hold a deep appreciation for the vastness of the universe and recognize the rarity of life itself and even more so for other evolving civilizations, especially those existing concurrently with them. This awareness could instill in them a sense of respect for emerging civilizations and maybe also scientific curiosity for how other species progress through this transition and what causes some to succeed while others fail. For this and other reasons, they may be keenly interested in discovering new, evolving species, like humanity. However, this curiosity might be tempered by a cautious restraint, as they understand the potential dangers posed by civilizations that have not yet reached their level of developmental maturity. It is not hard to appreciate that if you feel constrained from interfering, a five year old playing with a hand grenade might be wisely observed from a distance.
The notion that these advanced beings would refrain from direct interaction until we reach a comparable level of development suggests a patient observation, driven by the belief that true progress must emerge from within each unique civilization. It is highly likely that every species will not benefit from the solutions that worked for other species. They might not perceive themselves as mentors but rather as guardians, intervening only when the threat of self-annihilation looms large, offering a chance for continued growth and development.
Implicit in this perspective is the idea that humanity's journey towards maturity involves overcoming a certain "power addiction." The call to recognize the importance of balance in our interactions, both with each other and the natural world, underscores the need to transcend the dominion-centric mindset. While acknowledging the indispensable role of technology in our expansion into space, the argument advocates for a nuanced approach-one that respects the delicate equilibrium of nature rather than seeks to dominate it.
We as a civilized species need to recognize power addiction is holding us back. Nature tends toward brief states of balance in a universe that is in constant motion (meaning change). We must learn to live with each other and with the rest of our natural systems instead of trying to dominate them. I am not saying technology has no place, it certainly does, or we would never expand into space. But we must learn to do so with the goal being working toward balance, not dominance.
In this vision, the ultimate barrier to encountering extraterrestrial life lies not in the vastness of space but in our own ability to cultivate a sustainable and balanced coexistence. It posits that only when humanity learns to live in harmony with itself and the natural world will we be ready to join the cosmic community of advanced civilizations-a journey that necessitates a collective shift towards balance and away from dominance.
Of course we're not alone. It's the Lizard Overlords.
Yes. Their among us . Think they are winning.
@@milamber82 LOL! Simon would know. He's one of them. Allegedly. LOL!
This entire video kept reminding me of the Galactic Milieu Series by Julian May
So Fermi can ask where is everyone? But why doesn't anyone ask "should we not assume we can hear everyone easily?". I believe the inverse square law and orbital mechanics won't allow any "willy nilly" signal to make it even a fraction of the distance it'd take to reach its destination intact. Our signals of I love Lucy and Breaking Bad hardly make it out of the solar system still readable and all y'all believe Fermi so much you're dumbfounded by the silence that doesn't exist lol. Pro tip, if you want to send a signal to another solar system, try doing a Homan transfer to line up that star directly in your velocity vector and pump out the strongest signal you can. Not only that you shouldn't broadcast it through the celestial plane, which limits your targets. Anything less than that and you're fooling yourself! SETI, ifing you're listening, get an SV platform. In conclusion, unless these potential aliens are doing exactly that...none of their TV shows will ever be received by us. Start thinking outside the ole box instead of pondering dumb shit from the 50s or whenever ole boy lived.
It may be that we simply haven’t received this light or that the earth has a way of shielding us, radio signals absolutely do not travel on forever, at least they are past anything that could even nudge the most sensitive of photo receptors, it’s almost like using your remote to point it at the TV, you will notice when the batteries are low or even if you have a big room that the remote only works pointing in the TVs direction and/or the remote doesn’t work when it’s so far away and this remote definitely is emitting infra red light, infact you can see this light with an oculus headset which technically upgrades you vision to see a wider spectrum of light, maybe one day the oculus will be as big as a pair of glasses and we can see Wi-Fi and everything like seeing though walls :)
During Fermi's lifetime, the "Einsteinian" figure within the scientific community was Einstein. Calling Fermi "Einsteinian" does him a grave disservice, as if he were some lesser being to be compared to the master, but he was easily on a level with Einstein.
Imagine being an old version of yourself and hearing news that confirms either results. Crazy
You said something which I found quite spooky!! When talking about human consciousness being digital, can you imagine making copies of your own consciousness! And then loading that consciousness into .... something.....! I think a lot closer than 100,000 years before that is possible. Mind blowing hey!!
We've only been beaming our presence into the universe through electro magnetic signals for about a century. Even at the speed of light, the range where these signals can be picked up is tiny on an interstellar scale. We're just another needle in a huge galactic haystack. And that's probably the same for any other civilisation, if they exist. Detecting a distant civilisation is a huge challenge in itself, let alone actually travelling there.
Now we wait for the Dark Forest Hypothesis video.
The one filter no one seems to recognize is ecological collapse, likely driven by over-exploitation and under-valuation of biodiversity and the habitability from which all long term progress would depend.
I had no idea Factboy was the host of this channel!
He is slowly taking over my UA-cam viewing habits…
Damn it, I thought this was a Decoding the Unknown, taking a giant dump on this "theory". But, making money off of both sides of an argument is a true Chad move. Well done, sir.
I wanted it to be you, Simon. I'm glad I was right. Carry on, sir.
Due to sheer astronomical scale its safe to say we're not alone but the time between means youll never know of the others exsistence beyond the hypothetical and any species that cared enough to study interstellar life would need to spend centuries to actually observe their progression
Subscribed for the Alien video and hopefully more of them.
Great video Simon! I have another possibility to consider that would warrant a quarantine... economics
Aliens might just want a bunch of workers, our culture, or our biological resources.
If China or India offered a bunch of workers for a starship...?
Forget that, I'd like this comment to serve notice that Aliens can have access to my entire legally downloaded library of videos, shows, and music in exchange for a spaceship. Thanks!
We are either the reality show as shown on that episode of South Park, or the freak show next to the wide spot on the road off of a backcountry, 2 Lane Rd. that the aliens intentionally avoid.
Definitely better than the Dark Forest theory