Grovit Wrestling Front Face Lock

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  • Опубліковано 11 кві 2009
  • God of Catch as Catch Can Wrestling Billy Robinson and Jake Shannon demonstrate the fine details of the Grovit/Groffit. Known in contemporary Wrestling Circles as the Front Face Lock or Front Head Lock, this staple of the Catch Wrestling arsenal was originally known by the Wigan Wrestlers as the Groffit or Grovit.
    Coach Robinson shows how to apply this devastating submission hold as well as how to use it as a set up for a single leg takedown.
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  • @Kev80ification
    @Kev80ification 8 років тому +77

    Rest in peace Billy!

  • @DanielSmith-pq4yc
    @DanielSmith-pq4yc 2 роки тому +16

    It's really great to see catch Wrestling still being taught and appreciated

  • @O9Angles
    @O9Angles 6 років тому +25

    Excellent, when I was young about 30 to 35 years ago this was still practiced in areas of England , mainly around Yorkshire and other coal mining areas. I remember learning face and neck cranks from my late grandfather about 40 years ago

  • @sukotsutoclone2
    @sukotsutoclone2 10 років тому +46

    I fucking love this technique. I caught people who are more experienced than me with this so many times and it's all thanks to seeing this video.

  • @pcjudosambo
    @pcjudosambo 13 років тому +5

    As a former Judo grappler and a current Sambo grappler, I admire and respect all Catch Wrestlers. They are the all top of the food chain in submission grappling. I personally believe that Catch Wrestling is one the best submission grappling art in the world. I wish we had a good catch wrestling school here in northern Florida.

  • @theodorewurz8424
    @theodorewurz8424 8 років тому +19

    Don't know if anyone noticed but Erik Paulson called out to Josh Barnett to go for this in his fight with Roy Nelson. Completely underused move.

  • @boma23
    @boma23 2 роки тому +8

    A true legend. So great that the MMA explosion re-discovered him and gave him a great last few years, showing everyone that there's nothing new under the sun :)

  • @AverageAsianMe
    @AverageAsianMe 14 років тому +15

    Barnett actually attempted this on Noguiera in their first fight. Barnett actually went from the front choke to the crank.

  • @AZTigerMMA
    @AZTigerMMA 4 роки тому +6

    This man was way ahead of his time , it must have been so exciting for him to see it becoming more popular ! This was cool always liked your guys stuff! Thank you and RIP Billy

  • @dalroache
    @dalroache 3 роки тому +1

    all I can say is WOW so much wisdom n technique I not seen this ever in bjj

  • @CaveSmoker
    @CaveSmoker 10 років тому +18

    RIP Billy Robinson

  • @Thereisonlyonefrankdatank
    @Thereisonlyonefrankdatank 5 років тому +7

    With great respect I say this. It’s because of my experiences in martial arts and because of seeing folks like this that I take nobody for granted and do my best to underestimate no one. I imagine these guys (like some of my teachers) although dont look to tough sitting on a bar stool or big and their not huge or fearsome looking but they’d hand you your ass with a candle in it just as soon as you thought the fight started.
    Been following these guys for awhile now and although this is an old video it’s a fav of mine. So cool Billy could pass some of what he knows on. Would’ve like to met the guy

  • @lightningsmokerXx
    @lightningsmokerXx 10 років тому +46

    Chris Jericho Brought me here (goldberg story)

    • @KJGould
      @KJGould 9 років тому

      Cool, could you tell me when and where he mentioned this video? Like which interview or podcast? Thanks!

    • @lightningsmokerXx
      @lightningsmokerXx 9 років тому

      KJ Gould I can't remember which one it was now.... buy type in something like " Chris Jericho talks about the real fight against Goldberg" on youtube.

    • @guyincognito5706
      @guyincognito5706 5 років тому +2

      thewelshviper Hogan doesn’t necessarily have the reputation for being honest about..anything.

    • @nycd4766
      @nycd4766 4 роки тому +1

      Lmao, yo me too 😂

    • @tritchie6272
      @tritchie6272 4 роки тому

      @thewelshviper While I have my doubts about Hogan's story I suppose it's possible for a young Hogan to catch an Old Verne with something like this. However I would like to point out that when it comes to actual Wrestling a young Vern Gagna was miles better than Hogan. Although Hogan was alot bigger and a much better showman. Maybe I'm getting old but I'm starting to gain an appreciation for some of the real oldtimers that could actually Wrestle. Like Gagna and Lou Thez.

  • @Xaymot
    @Xaymot 15 років тому +3

    I love it when you drag out those scientific wrestling guys for a free-bee. Everything Billy Robinson does and says is a brilliant revelation in pain.

  • @coldworld5
    @coldworld5 12 років тому +1

    Billy Robinson is in his 70's and he'd still fuck me up with ease, guys a beast.

  • @justin21491
    @justin21491 11 років тому +7

    "YOU feel it come here!" LOL good stuff catch wrestling is no joke.

  • @TakingItToTheMMAT
    @TakingItToTheMMAT  15 років тому +6

    It's the JKD Mentality "Take what is useful..." You can learn from anyone if you have an open mind and heart. And with coaches at the level of Billy Robinson or Guro Dan Inosanto, your game and perspective can change just in one session.

  • @KidThomsonMediaProductions
    @KidThomsonMediaProductions 5 років тому +7

    this seems like an old Wigan move. Love it.

    • @davidian2097
      @davidian2097 4 роки тому

      Same... love the brutal art over jiu jitsu the gentle...

    • @owlblocksdavid4955
      @owlblocksdavid4955 4 роки тому +2

      @@davidian2097 I did BJJ for half a year (found out it existed... through this video, actually. It's a long story from HEMA to BJJ, but I only was ever able to find the latter nearby, and felt I didn't have time to keep up with it). Anyway, I'm not sure I'd describe it as "gentle".

    • @davidian2097
      @davidian2097 4 роки тому

      Owlblocks David i know... its atleast as tough as cacc... its just the expression ppl use

    • @kurtbrewski7050
      @kurtbrewski7050 3 роки тому

      @hashbeen 1985 Yeah but I think it's only considered a chancery if they were to let go of the arm and lock their hands together.

  • @cinimatics
    @cinimatics 10 років тому +44

    Be careful with that. It works great, but if you really crank you could badly injure a guys neck.

    • @Libertariandude
      @Libertariandude 5 років тому +15

      This hold is also taught in Special Forces combatives as a finishing hold as in a hold meant to kill.

    • @davidian2097
      @davidian2097 4 роки тому +5

      Once they get the head folded and cross faced... if you really put your hips into it thats a broken neck for sure

    • @SortaDopeIGuess
      @SortaDopeIGuess 2 роки тому +3

      Thats the point. Supposedly Jericho used it on Goldberg in a backstage fight. Point being that Goldberg - ex NFL player will prob be bigger and stronger than any guy you will fight on the street and if it slowed him down - it will slow anyone down.

    • @MrEparis
      @MrEparis Рік тому +1

      Just like boxing. It's better having previous training. If it seems easy...

  • @randomhero20022
    @randomhero20022 15 років тому

    I like how you guys are really open to learning new techs from different arts. Thanks for sharing!

  • @runningsuperska
    @runningsuperska Рік тому +1

    What a fantastic teacher. His great legacy.

  • @popcornr35
    @popcornr35 12 років тому +1

    I love the quick switch to a single leg. That was fantastic. Quick and efficient.

  • @thebigandgreat1
    @thebigandgreat1 13 років тому

    all hail the King of Catch - Mr. Billy Robinson and Mr. Jake Shannon!

  • @TheRogueMonk
    @TheRogueMonk 13 років тому

    GOLDEN GOLDEN this guy should have been alive forever .. he is a museum of knowledge .. and i just saw him today . worth thousand martial art videos i seen in youtube.

  • @RoaringTiger281
    @RoaringTiger281 15 років тому +1

    This was excellent guys! Very well taught and explained!

  • @dialupking
    @dialupking 15 років тому +1

    Sick!! I love the discussion on the technique. Very informative techinques

  • @zootedsuit
    @zootedsuit 12 років тому

    Wow I learned a hell of alot by watching this. Thanks for the post!

  • @MrLucasBS
    @MrLucasBS 12 років тому +1

    I practice BJJ but i recognize these wrestling techniques are really good, thnx for the videos man.

  • @BigStickCombat
    @BigStickCombat 13 років тому

    Excellent video, excellent instruction.

  • @Tom86
    @Tom86 15 років тому

    Wow, Billy Robinson is a one of a kind!

  • @Cryptosifu
    @Cryptosifu 10 років тому +19

    Robinson is the best

  • @bobdownie.2806
    @bobdownie.2806 2 роки тому

    Good sacrifice throw from that face lock, nasty old school shit.

  • @dragonballjiujitsu
    @dragonballjiujitsu 10 років тому +3

    Beautiful technique.

  • @AmericanCombatAssoc
    @AmericanCombatAssoc 15 років тому +1

    Great move! My favorite move to use in tournaments. NAGA considers this move a neck crank so only intermediate and advanced can use it.

  • @liljjisback
    @liljjisback 12 років тому +5

    Billy's hand covers the whole back of his neck, geez!

  • @luchador1764
    @luchador1764 14 років тому

    if given the opportunity, i wud dedicate my life to training under that man. i would literally leave everything i loved and knew behind and did just that for the rest of my life.

  • @TakingItToTheMMAT
    @TakingItToTheMMAT  13 років тому +1

    @edsheadsaid Well said. Well said. A lot of times, Coach Kiser and I laugh simply because the brilliance of the instruction or the technique itself leaves us speachless. No words can describe our appreciation for the level of skill and yet, we are delighted to be a part of experiencing it.

  • @MrJalostotitlan
    @MrJalostotitlan 2 роки тому

    great video.

  • @johnmatos8081
    @johnmatos8081 3 роки тому

    Awesome technique!!

  • @RichMorti
    @RichMorti 14 років тому

    I love how the two dummy's are trying to make light of the pain and Robinson doesn't smile, he just carries on.

  • @OtterpopSlaughterMop
    @OtterpopSlaughterMop 14 років тому

    I really like the part about dropping the hips in, the way I learned was to lean forward on to the lock/fulcrum. Just dropping your weight in a bit seems much more effective.

  • @ventwilliams3352
    @ventwilliams3352 5 років тому

    Best coach EVER.

  • @RenegadeRanga
    @RenegadeRanga 3 роки тому

    Catch is a savage form of wrestling but awesome.

  • @Bdubb0110
    @Bdubb0110 12 років тому +2

    In the video "War Department Martial ArtsTraining - Part 1" at 5:10 they do a similar move but instead of the left hand grabbing a tricep it secures an underhook which establishes more control. However both moves will snap your neck in between c3-c5 which control breathing and other vital functions. So be careful with this one!!!

  • @yromlaw
    @yromlaw 11 років тому

    muito bom. excelente técnica.

  • @IgnatiusCheese
    @IgnatiusCheese 11 років тому

    Holy shit that's brutal. When my unborn daughter comes of age I'll put the boy she brings home in one of those beauties. Thank you Billy Robinson !

  • @skraddypoo
    @skraddypoo 13 років тому

    Gorgeous.

  • @realitycheckineffect
    @realitycheckineffect 2 роки тому

    I like these guys

  • @agustinrico3304
    @agustinrico3304 3 роки тому

    Imagine what a prime billy Robinson would look around these guys, he already looks huge around them and yet when your much older and especially for athletes the spine degrades so imagine the prime billy around these guys showing them these moves

  • @Halbared
    @Halbared 2 роки тому

    Brilliant.

  • @williamallen7679
    @williamallen7679 7 років тому

    Wow, great application and techniques! How do you use that or other catch wrestling moves to counter someone striking, or kicking you? Can this be used effectively in a street fight? Are there any DVDs on this art?

  • @MrPotatoesLatkie
    @MrPotatoesLatkie 13 років тому +1

    @petealk12 You could also say it's the wrestling killer, since it would shock and, put in awe any Folk wrestler who tried a double leg take down.

  • @morgall
    @morgall 13 років тому

    man..billy robinson is one brutal old man

  • @joekoe97
    @joekoe97 12 років тому +1

    God damn that guys old but he's still ripped and I bet he could clear out a bar if he wanted.

  • @TakingItToTheMMAT
    @TakingItToTheMMAT  13 років тому +2

    @hitlergoonie4life Yeah, a broken neck doesn't hurt that bad when you think about it. It'll just kill you or leave you without sensation from the neck down.
    I'm with all of you about respecting the legends. And the best way to show that respect is to attend their seminars, buy their DVD's and their books. Help them put food on the table sharing their art.
    And when I see you at the next Scientific Wrestling Certification you can show me how you stoically take a submission.

  • @brottarnacke
    @brottarnacke 13 років тому

    I think it's pretty natural to laugh a bit when you feel pain, IF you trust the instructor enough to know that the pain won't lead to injury. Kinda similar reaction as to when something tickles real bad. I don't really see anything wrong with laughing and having fun neither, as long as you keep focusing on what you're doing.

  • @kennethmedaris8424
    @kennethmedaris8424 5 років тому +2

    Billy was the policeman off wrestling, Handling any trustbusters.

  • @jamesptah9993
    @jamesptah9993 5 років тому

    Perfect!!!!!

  • @KJGould
    @KJGould 12 років тому

    he underhook is the half halch, something Billy Robinson and other wrestlers teach as well.

  • @josecavazos1869
    @josecavazos1869 3 роки тому

    I would kill to have a catch wrestling school where I'm from.

  • @xAristaicx
    @xAristaicx 12 років тому

    I've been training BJJ for 3 years, and man do I love the catch wrestling moves! A lot of it may be banned in BJJ, but all in all it is very effective! Good for MMA! This front face lock is a perfect example. It is banned in most jits comps, except it is still a legit submission haha and it is freakin' nasty! Attacking the cervical vertebrae of the spine, and also the fact that it can come on so fast is what makes it a dangerous sub. Must be careful with this one!

  • @samluke8121
    @samluke8121 14 років тому +1

    Catch as catch can wrestling,born in Wigan,England.

  • @Dvalb
    @Dvalb 14 років тому

    those guys are HUGE!

  • @089hlj
    @089hlj 11 років тому +1

    -So much better than most of the conventional judo/jiu-jitsu

  • @WoodyGyo
    @WoodyGyo 12 років тому

    Not just streetfighting, I use it in sparring all the time. You're right, really does kill a guy's movement.

  • @rustyshackleford735
    @rustyshackleford735 2 роки тому +1

    Hulk Hogan did a shoot in a show host that was bad mouthing pro wrestling and legit put him to sleep with this move.

  • @XanderMarshall
    @XanderMarshall 11 років тому

    catch wrestling is influenced by Jui-jitsu more so than the other way around. Even back then, Catch was an ever-evolving classical hybrid wrestling style.

  • @ScotteDio
    @ScotteDio 12 років тому

    The old man has massive hands.

  • @popcornr35
    @popcornr35 12 років тому +1

    Being taught by a legend? I'd be giggling like a little school girl as well!

  • @smagator
    @smagator 12 років тому +1

    is this ma kazushi sakaraba old trainer ?i have read that saku had a british instructor of catch when he started : please answer

  • @MrPrestige350
    @MrPrestige350 12 років тому +1

    Nice instruction, thanks. On a side note, wow, the years have not been kind to Trey Parker, Jesus......hes got some city miles on him :(

  • @OtterpopSlaughterMop
    @OtterpopSlaughterMop 14 років тому

    Also, that man is a goddamn monster.

  • @yumtoyl2263
    @yumtoyl2263 10 років тому +1

    "You feel it!" lol

  • @OctoBox
    @OctoBox 6 років тому

    King Robinson

  • @superd0076
    @superd0076 5 років тому

    RIP Billy

  • @jiujitsumexico
    @jiujitsumexico 6 років тому +1

    anybody knows where does the word "Grovit" come from? Big respect to Master Robinson RIP

  • @ironchic713
    @ironchic713 12 років тому

    When do we learn the "Yoga Flame" technique, Jake?

  • @mmafanuk
    @mmafanuk 13 років тому

    I wonder if this would work if you've sprawled on someone after they've shot in? I'll usually go for the anaconda but sometimes I cant synch it up on my bicep if they guy is really big

  • @smagator
    @smagator 12 років тому

    @gzeuskraiste thank you so much

  • @WildHunt25
    @WildHunt25 13 років тому

    At full force/speed, would this be more likely to kill, paralyze, or just leave the person in a halo for a while (on an average healthy person)?

  • @sleepykid156
    @sleepykid156 14 років тому

    catch as catch can is a wrestling style from britain i think, unlike Greco Roman and Freestyle, joint lock submission can be used to win the match

  • @centrodeestudosdejiujitsue3672
    @centrodeestudosdejiujitsue3672 6 років тому

    oss

  • @seanquigley88
    @seanquigley88 8 років тому

    snap , crackle and pop

  • @cdlravenwolf
    @cdlravenwolf 14 років тому

    You would think that having the honor to be taught by a legend and a great wrestling teacher would keep someone from giggling like a school girl everytime they feel pain.

  • @3Pillers
    @3Pillers 2 роки тому

    👍

  • @judorican973
    @judorican973 11 років тому

    Catch wresting Effective!

  • @ashleyf1817
    @ashleyf1817 5 років тому

    Bet he was one mean dood in the day

  • @mariamamart8086
    @mariamamart8086 3 роки тому

    In this 0:04 that guy is Brazilian Catch Wrestler Marco Ruas but he is so strange !!!!!!!!
    🧐🤔🧐🤔

  • @harlo1979
    @harlo1979 7 років тому

    Brutal move ends a fight

  • @franktower9006
    @franktower9006 3 роки тому

    Ramsey Dewey brought me here.

  • @sanderknol
    @sanderknol 2 роки тому

    At the end of the video I misheared "The fun face lock is what it's called in wrestling now." Not that's an ironic name that will stick with me for a while. The fun face lock XD

  • @XanderMarshall
    @XanderMarshall 11 років тому

    They were about even. It's only natural that when they came in contact, they influenced each other. The guard game is uniquely found in kodokan judo/juijitsu. Catch has no guard game.

  • @mnemrod
    @mnemrod 14 років тому

    catch -as catch can speaks for itself... if you're a real or a pro wrestler you'll learn or figure it out...

  • @calamarcap
    @calamarcap 15 років тому

    I'm pretty sure that's Marlon Brando.
    The size of his hands! jajaja

  • @jesman1985
    @jesman1985 12 років тому

    old schools serious..

  • @KJGould
    @KJGould 12 років тому

    Knock when it hurts.

  • @jumpoi
    @jumpoi 2 роки тому

    I came here after a chris jericho - goldberg story

  • @Yerammur
    @Yerammur 14 років тому

    in salt lake city

  • @KJGould
    @KJGould 14 років тому

    I think Billy is in Arizona, not Utah

  • @CreepX
    @CreepX 5 років тому

    That neck says he's not a wrestler.