I wanna give YOU a special shout out Jon! Thx to YOU, (& seeing you using the 4s 2700 smart packs in ur night timber x), i bought 2 to finally get my x's CG back where i wanted it. NOW, i can 3d it like i want to!👍👋👋👋👋👋
Jon this is a perfect video for me today. I had the 64mm and liked it but crashed it (to low upside down). Was thinking about the 70mm or V2 Arctic but I think I'm going to get another 64mm. It is so fast, takes off and lands great, looks good in the air and longer flight times, which I'm all about.
Definitely go with the 64mm. If I YT gave me the ability to edit videos afterward, I'd explain why I hate the 70mm. I ended up intentionally wrecking it later after it crashed because it wasn't worth repairing. You can see all of the reasons why you should avoid the 70mm V1 here: ua-cam.com/video/3dFzDQHxK5Y/v-deo.html V2 is supposed to be OK though.
@@TwoBrosRC oh wow, I just watched that final flight of the A-10 70mm. You were sure killing it with that inverted high alpha. But the first crash looked very minor but too much damage. The second intentional suicide crash was epic. I'll definitely stay away from that model now.
I'm glad you see my point of view on it - I had so many complaints about that upload, like I'm supposed to donate a problem to someone else so they can suffer? No thanks, I'll just re-use the parts in a new project.
The X-fly? Send me one and I'll check it out! I'm sure it'll fly similar to the 64mm, there's probably not too many differences aside from things like flaps.
@@TwoBrosRC Yes, the X-Fly, spell check got me. It's a 4S plane and priced at just over $200 No flaps, gear nor rudders, but build quality is very nice.
I have an xfly, it is great quality, but if you're okay with no retracts then it's the most affordable at the 64mm edf range that can really fly with ease. they do sell an improved front nose wheel with spring oleos.. but the stock one is already solid
Pardon my ignorance but I've been flying RC for many years and I have never heard of the acronym CRO, if that is what you were commenting on, over and over. Very nice flying and explanations BTW. Thanks.
Crow - it's not an acronym, it's shorthand for upward aileron reflex with flap deployment. Crow causes the root of the wing to stall before the tip of the wing, which allows your jet to fly at a higher critical AoA without stalling. It's super useful.
@@f86fman None of what I wrote is vetted by an aerodynamicist but is gleaned through research and testing in real-world applications, and from observing how full scale aircraft use similar approaches to prevent stalling at higher AoA. :)
16:20! I agree 1000% on gaming! Im 57, & EVERY day i play 2 hours on PS4, 'BroForce'. (Cant win. Its made that way 🤯!). BUT, ppl laugh when i tell them how to keep ur reflexes at top notch! Without a doubt, it helps me! BUT, how many controllers have YOU destroyed Jon? 😜🤪😁🤓😎😄
Im trying to get into rc planes and I want the A-10 as my first since it’s my favorite plane. Unfortunately I am painfully obsessed with the moody A-10 nose paint and I can’t get anything A-10 related if it isn’t a moody A-10. Can you help me out here?
It looks like they use the shark mouth graphics. The FMS A-10 v1 comes with that stock, or you can talk to Callie Graphics and see if you can get your own ordered from her.
For a beginner I'd recommend a high wing propeller trainer like an AeroScout. Jets are easy to crash - unless you're really familiar with radio-controlled flight, I'd start with a prop or jet trainer and move up to the jet you're interested in.
I have owned both the 64mm e flight and now the 70mm FMS v2 with reflex. and I can very confidently say the FMS is hands Down the best A-10 of the 2 and the wings have a quick disconnect system that makes it very transportable!!! 1 downside though is fms claims u can fit 2 3300 batteries' but sadly there is no way to get them in the jet. 4500 and 5000 fit great! and give you 3.30- and 4-min flight time I think a 6000 Mit fit.
Having flown both, the 64mm beats the 70mm hands down - at least the first version. The second version no doubt still has the squirrelly tracking on the ground which I really hate. I'm not sure I'd get another one. The 64mm is pretty great and can perform inverted high alpha about as good as the 70mm did.
@@TwoBrosRC the v2 70mm is not at all squirrelly on the ground! at least mine is not. on the 64 I hate the glue together tail and on landing if you cut the power to much it loses elevator authority and will noses in and turns into a bounce mess if you're not carefully.
The Eflite a-10 was my 3rd edf (ArrowsRC Marlin and the Eflite Viper 70mm were my start in jets) I still remember on the maiden of the a-10 saying “This is easier to fly and land than the Marlin and the Viper!” The a-10 became the Go-To/Every Time Out EDF. With that said, I had to replace the nose gear pin twice and the entire nose gear assembly once. (Also broke the nose off 5 or 6 times) But that’s on 100+ flights on a really crummy short asphalt runway. I liked the Eflite a-10 so much I bought the Freewing 80mm 12s and over the winter got the Eflite a-10 version 2. I’m thinking there’s something about the wing load, dual rudders and the twin engines that makes the a-10 fun to fly and easy to land. Just checked the FMS 70mm and it’s back ordered. I’d love to get one. Did you post a video on adding crow to it? Good video comparing the two Jon.
It has a flight controller? I can't imagine it being much different than AS3X. If you're used to how it flies already and are happy with it, there's really no need for crow. I just prefer having it so I can keep a nose up attitude and modulate the descent with throttle.
@@TwoBrosRC I’m never happy with my landings. There’s a place I take the big a-10 that’s a grass field about a 1/2 long. I’d fly there more, but it 2 hours away. I land well when the landing strip is 1/2 mile x 1/8 mile wide…. (I should’ve gotten into RC helicopters and boats)
I'm on the fence, EF A-10 2x64m Warthog II or EF Viper 90mm? 🤔 But this comparison is apples to oranges. The FMS A-10 has a WS of 1500mm (59.1in), and the EF A-10 Warthog II has a WS of 45.2 inches (1149mm). So, they're going to fly quite differently, but similar if that makes sense. The smaller twin 64mm EF is going to be nimbler by default. ITE -- the EF twin 64mm looks like more fun, just saying.
@@TwoBrosRC You've convinced me. $430 64mm vs $650 70mm from HH. But it'll be a blast. I'm a Spectrum guy, so the Reflex Functions setup looks very similar to SAFE and AS3X.
@@davidgerlach1132 If you want to consider supporting what we do here, pick up the 70mm A-10 from bit.ly/FMSA10. It's a huge help at no additional cost to yourself. If you'd prefer to pick it up on Horizon's site and it's in stock, let us know and we can get you a link for that too.
Fun fact: the price of the 80mm FW A-10 is in the same ballpark as what I paid for both of these models combined. It'll be something I look into in the future for sure though. Definitely want to compare the 70mm FMS to the 80mm FW.
I love your runway.
Yeah that was a crazy sound on that pull up with the 70mm, lol. With the Tx mixing and all that you make the flying part look pretty easy.
That's the sound of the elevators hitting the jet wash. I'm gonna miss that sound, this jet unfortunately didn't live.
@@TwoBrosRC Yeah I got the notification. You'll have to do the missing man formation in honor of it ☠🦅
I love my 70mm inrunner... but now I'm thinking crow as well.
Thank's Jon for sharing and nice flying 👌 👍
Sure thing man! Thanks for checking it out. The setup vid is live too if you want to know how to do it.
I wanna give YOU a special shout out Jon! Thx to YOU, (& seeing you using the 4s 2700 smart packs in ur night timber x), i bought 2 to finally get my x's CG back where i wanted it. NOW, i can 3d it like i want to!👍👋👋👋👋👋
There you go, dude! Good to hear it.
I would be happy with the cheaper version ! Definitely!! I could never afford the expensive stuff !!
Jon this is a perfect video for me today. I had the 64mm and liked it but crashed it (to low upside down). Was thinking about the 70mm or V2 Arctic but I think I'm going to get another 64mm. It is so fast, takes off and lands great, looks good in the air and longer flight times, which I'm all about.
Definitely go with the 64mm. If I YT gave me the ability to edit videos afterward, I'd explain why I hate the 70mm. I ended up intentionally wrecking it later after it crashed because it wasn't worth repairing. You can see all of the reasons why you should avoid the 70mm V1 here: ua-cam.com/video/3dFzDQHxK5Y/v-deo.html
V2 is supposed to be OK though.
@@TwoBrosRC oh wow, I just watched that final flight of the A-10 70mm. You were sure killing it with that inverted high alpha. But the first crash looked very minor but too much damage. The second intentional suicide crash was epic. I'll definitely stay away from that model now.
I'm glad you see my point of view on it - I had so many complaints about that upload, like I'm supposed to donate a problem to someone else so they can suffer? No thanks, I'll just re-use the parts in a new project.
great video and info !!!
Thanks man!
I'd like to get your opinion on the X-Fly A-10 compared to these higher end ones. Great flying!
The X-fly? Send me one and I'll check it out! I'm sure it'll fly similar to the 64mm, there's probably not too many differences aside from things like flaps.
@@TwoBrosRC Yes, the X-Fly, spell check got me. It's a 4S plane and priced at just over $200 No flaps, gear nor rudders, but build quality is very nice.
I have an xfly, it is great quality, but if you're okay with no retracts then it's the most affordable at the 64mm edf range that can really fly with ease. they do sell an improved front nose wheel with spring oleos.. but the stock one is already solid
Pardon my ignorance but I've been flying RC for many years and I have never heard of the acronym CRO, if that is what you were commenting on, over and over. Very nice flying and explanations BTW. Thanks.
Crow - it's not an acronym, it's shorthand for upward aileron reflex with flap deployment. Crow causes the root of the wing to stall before the tip of the wing, which allows your jet to fly at a higher critical AoA without stalling. It's super useful.
@@TwoBrosRC Thanks for the explanation. And to think I teach about aeronautics at the NMUSAF. Better get read up on this.
@@f86fman None of what I wrote is vetted by an aerodynamicist but is gleaned through research and testing in real-world applications, and from observing how full scale aircraft use similar approaches to prevent stalling at higher AoA. :)
16:20! I agree 1000% on gaming! Im 57, & EVERY day i play 2 hours on PS4, 'BroForce'. (Cant win. Its made that way 🤯!). BUT, ppl laugh when i tell them how to keep ur reflexes at top notch! Without a doubt, it helps me!
BUT, how many controllers have YOU destroyed Jon? 😜🤪😁🤓😎😄
Controllers? None to my knowledge. I used to beat my dad on the Sega Genesis and he'd smash controllers though!
It sounded like wind whoosh coming off the wings on that emergency climb.
That and a bit of the wings flexing significantly too.
Im trying to get into rc planes and I want the A-10 as my first since it’s my favorite plane. Unfortunately I am painfully obsessed with the moody A-10 nose paint and I can’t get anything A-10 related if it isn’t a moody A-10. Can you help me out here?
It looks like they use the shark mouth graphics. The FMS A-10 v1 comes with that stock, or you can talk to Callie Graphics and see if you can get your own ordered from her.
@@TwoBrosRC ok. So would a free wing f22 or a-10 be better for a beginner? Both of these planes are my favorites
For a beginner I'd recommend a high wing propeller trainer like an AeroScout. Jets are easy to crash - unless you're really familiar with radio-controlled flight, I'd start with a prop or jet trainer and move up to the jet you're interested in.
@@TwoBrosRC ah you should make a video about that, I’m sure a lot of people have my question.
I have owned both the 64mm e flight and now the 70mm FMS v2 with reflex. and I can very confidently say the FMS is hands Down the best A-10 of the 2 and the wings have a quick disconnect system that makes it very transportable!!! 1 downside though is fms claims u can fit 2 3300 batteries' but sadly there is no way to get them in the jet. 4500 and 5000 fit great! and give you 3.30- and 4-min flight time I think a 6000 Mit fit.
Having flown both, the 64mm beats the 70mm hands down - at least the first version. The second version no doubt still has the squirrelly tracking on the ground which I really hate. I'm not sure I'd get another one. The 64mm is pretty great and can perform inverted high alpha about as good as the 70mm did.
@@TwoBrosRC wait that's not what you say in this video or am reading this wrong!?
@@TwoBrosRC the v2 70mm is not at all squirrelly on the ground! at least mine is not. on the 64 I hate the glue together tail and on landing if you cut the power to much it loses elevator authority and will noses in and turns into a bounce mess if you're not carefully.
@@brian1740 You should watch our recent content on this jet. We released another vid after this going over why we don't like it.
The Eflite a-10 was my 3rd edf (ArrowsRC Marlin and the Eflite Viper 70mm were my start in jets) I still remember on the maiden of the a-10 saying “This is easier to fly and land than the Marlin and the Viper!” The a-10 became the Go-To/Every Time Out EDF. With that said, I had to replace the nose gear pin twice and the entire nose gear assembly once. (Also broke the nose off 5 or 6 times) But that’s on 100+ flights on a really crummy short asphalt runway.
I liked the Eflite a-10 so much I bought the Freewing 80mm 12s and over the winter got the Eflite a-10 version 2. I’m thinking there’s something about the wing load, dual rudders and the twin engines that makes the a-10 fun to fly and easy to land.
Just checked the FMS 70mm and it’s back ordered. I’d love to get one. Did you post a video on adding crow to it?
Good video comparing the two Jon.
Seems like the FW80 is a solid jet for sure. I did post the setup for the 70mm a couple of days ago.
@@TwoBrosRC I’d love to have Crow on the Freewing 80mm a-10. Not sure what I’d be getting myself in for if I tried bypassing the flight controller.
It has a flight controller? I can't imagine it being much different than AS3X. If you're used to how it flies already and are happy with it, there's really no need for crow. I just prefer having it so I can keep a nose up attitude and modulate the descent with throttle.
@@TwoBrosRC
I’m never happy with my landings. There’s a place I take the big a-10 that’s a grass field about a 1/2 long. I’d fly there more, but it 2 hours away. I land well when the landing strip is 1/2 mile x 1/8 mile wide…. (I should’ve gotten into RC helicopters and boats)
@@jeffhenderson934 Landings improve with technique and practice. You'll get it.
What would you say the stall speed is of the eflite version ?
25ish MPH.
I'm on the fence, EF A-10 2x64m Warthog II or EF Viper 90mm? 🤔 But this comparison is apples to oranges. The FMS A-10 has a WS of 1500mm (59.1in), and the EF A-10 Warthog II has a WS of 45.2 inches (1149mm). So, they're going to fly quite differently, but similar if that makes sense. The smaller twin 64mm EF is going to be nimbler by default. ITE -- the EF twin 64mm looks like more fun, just saying.
You'd have to fly both to compare. While the 64mm is a little more agile, the 70mm is way more fun.
@@TwoBrosRC You've convinced me. $430 64mm vs $650 70mm from HH. But it'll be a blast. I'm a Spectrum guy, so the Reflex Functions setup looks very similar to SAFE and AS3X.
@@davidgerlach1132 If you want to consider supporting what we do here, pick up the 70mm A-10 from bit.ly/FMSA10. It's a huge help at no additional cost to yourself. If you'd prefer to pick it up on Horizon's site and it's in stock, let us know and we can get you a link for that too.
also, do you have any up 5mm on your Elevators?
This is a two year old vid, unfortunately we can't help here anymore as we don't own either of these aircraft anymore.
What are your GoPro settings ?
I shoot in 5.3k 60fps using 100 to 400 ISO, with a slightly blue white balance.
@@TwoBrosRC which view ?
View?
@@TwoBrosRC wide view , horizontal View, narrow view , zoomed in view ?
Wide
when you are inverted and testing for N CG are you at about 75% throttle? cheers. Mark 🇬🇧
Closer to half if I'm recalling correctly.
When you say “crow” do you mean ailerons up or ailerons down?
Ailerons up, flaps down.
Hi , for you which one is better ?
The 64mm for sure. My mind is made up on that one.
On windy sound days, You need to do voice over, missed a lot of what you were talking about.
Our format has changed significantly since this video posted. If you're curious, here's an example: ua-cam.com/video/vukYu9Sumo0/v-deo.html
which is more beginer frendly
The 64mm by far - in stock setup. Not so much with what I did to it, but it's still pretty beginner friendly.
what CG at on the 64 mm?
This is a two year old vid, unfortunately we can't help here anymore as we don't own either of these aircraft anymore.
None of those. Freewing 80mm A-10
Fun fact: the price of the 80mm FW A-10 is in the same ballpark as what I paid for both of these models combined. It'll be something I look into in the future for sure though. Definitely want to compare the 70mm FMS to the 80mm FW.
@@TwoBrosRC Comparison has been done, jury is out.
But has it been done with crow? 😉
I give up,.... What is Crow?
Flaps down, ailerons up.
Ahh, interesting... thanks for the clarification.
F M S
S M F
Wind is killing your voice
We don't shoot content like this anymore specifically because of wind.
WTF is crow?
It's demonstrated in the vid.