What a wonderful version of this piece of music. Puts a spotlight on the unbridled joy this concerto brings to the lucky listeners. A glorious performance by musicians at the top of their game! Bravo to all involved, what a treat that was!!
Yes, absolutely...and the recording is of a very high standard...you can actually hear the 4 kettledrum-beats...as an opening of - and into this masterpiece!!
Nothing out of Pekka is "off the shelf". Never fails to surprise and delight. As for MCO - I never got the idea of "the magic lies in the silence". Now I understand. Thank you for elevating my Sunday afternoon.
Beethoven will always be a magical musical genius! It really doesn’t matter whether you listen to beautiful violin version or the piano concerto, both are simply awe inspiring masterpieces!
I will say this is an interpretation with a lot more caring about the "Beethoven Sound" than many other interpretations. Pekka Kuusisto may have a somewhat different solution of this, but his and this orchestras presentation of this music is nothing but spledid. Thank you all so much for making this violin consert exiting again!
One can’t fairly discuss a Pekka Kuusisto performance without pointing out that he is one of the leading musical geniuses of our time. I would just listen to him and appreciate his talent, because he is a gift from God.
Yes, this performance reminds me of some of the "smaller, thinner" Geige sounds in some of Beethoven's other works with solo violin parts. Sehr interresant!
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Kuusisto is the only fiddle player I know of who undulates the bow - he does it masterfully without encroaching on the adjacent strings. He conducts in the style of David Grimal - without any arm gestures whatsoever. I like that. Every other soloist who dispenses with a conductor waves his arms around as if the orchestra really needed that much fuss. This can be said to be the Kuusisto/Beethoven concerto and I have no idea why he would want to insert so many of his own notes but there you have it. You can take it or leave it but it is NOT the Beethoven concerto. I wonder when pianists are going to start doing the same thing. (Going into 8:27 a horn holds on to the "a" and it sounds awkward but this is nevertheless a very good orchestra.)
Thank you! I believe at the time this music was new solists had a much greater freedom to play it the way they wanted, in candenzas and so on. With time it has developed a tradition of how to play, even the cadenzas are nowadays schematic. Therefore I like Pekkas playing, it is a big step away from this tradition. You say this is not the Beethoven conserto. Still I only have to listen to this a couple of seconds to recognice "aha, this is Beethovens violin conserto". Best wishes!
@@staffanolofsson8201 That is NOT logical. If what you say were true, piano players would be changing Beethoven's notes too. Cadenzas, yes, the body of the work, no. In any case, I was not criticizing Kuusisto's method - he can do what he wants. In fact, it's the best rendition of the "Beethoven" concerto I've ever heard, although it's not the Beethoven concerto. I would like him to try doing that to the other standard concertos. 🙂
An interesting discussion. What we can agree about is the high quality of this playing. Let me say that I respect your opinion! But improvisation has been a part of early music, and still at the time of Beethoven was a part of building cadenzas. Sometimes Beethoven himself didnt have his score fully written out, as when he played his third piano concerto for the first time in public 1803-04-05. He improvised a bit, even if he had his music in his head! My own opinion is that it is a bit sad that improvisations nowadays are totally excluded in classical music. So therefore I like Pekkas approach to this music. 👍
Yes, this is a very odd version of this violin consert. But who said you cannot play it this way? Perhaps tradition, but skip tradition. I love this interpretation for its sincerity and its way to try to interprete this music in a somewhat new way. Still with all right feelings about this work. And I admire Pekka Kuusisto for daring to do so.
And I also think this playing is an attempt to look on the inside of this work instead of its outside. An effort to bring out the essence of it, instead of its regular outside.
@@mohamedhiber7314 OK, I will call it a Pekka Kuusisto consert, but it for sure sounds very much Beethoven. I myself think this interpretation comes very close to Beethoven, closer then many more "strict" interpretations. Pekka has a wonderful touch in this. He is more Beethoven than many other interpretation. But I agree, we can have different opinions about this.
Oh my God! Why do classical music lovers need to be so conservative? These are the people who sleep during the presentation. Please, soloists have the freedom to create and improvise as they wish in the cadenzas. Music is a dynamic cultural phenomenon. I loved the concert.
First of all: I like this performance. First time I have heard it played like that. I have heard about the first performance ever of the concerto. They played without rehearsal, and did all sort of jokes during the concert. I have looked into the score ( have played the concerto myself many years ago). And there are fermatas all the places they are making small cadenzas. So I will say this is absolutely within the limits of what Beethoven has written in the score. Nice they had the courage to do it
The G drone note in the orchestra, with the G minor key violin solo above, in the Rondo movement (33:36), sounds Middle Eastern but less kitschy than Mozart #5 3rd movement. Never heard this in 40 years of listening to the Beethoven concerto. Amazing!
Well, this was certainly an odd interpretation. 37:34 Quoting from Symphony Nr.7? Does anyone have an explanation of what's happening here? The description offers nothing than standard program notes. 🤔
He simply makes a quotation from the 1st movement of the 7th symphony in order to relate the rhythmic pattern of the finale of the concerto to the aforementioned movement's. Andras Schiff makes quotations from Don Giovanni overture while playing the cadenza of the finale of the 20th piano concerto by Mozart, I think, in order to establish the key relation between those two pieces (d minor,). These are not so weird things to be done.
Which makes sense. Beethoven didn't provide cadenzas so, of course, the soloist has to use ones provided by other violinists (Joachim, Kreisler, et al.). I'm just puzzled by the many OTHER embellishments, of music added by members of the orchestra at the end of phrases. I'm not outraged or appalled by these antics - only curious. Have a safe and interesting week, @@caginn
I swear I heard a quote from a Mahler symphony in the first movement - played by the oboes! I'm not upset by these antics, or the "improvisations" by the soloist and the winds, but I do miss some of the singing melody lines that get swallowed by Pekka's abrupt and extreme dynamics, or rhythmically distorted almost beyond recognition. Definitely defeats expectations - which is what is intended. It's silly, however, to say it's not Beethoven. It's not Furtwangler, Klemperer, Heifetz, or Szeryng - not 20th century tradition in other words. I can't say I prefer it to any of the above, but I listened to it with close attention, which is more than I can say about most of the slavish "traditional" versions I hear nowadays.
Different playing in the cadenzas, and a little different ornaments. And the bridge from the second to the third movement is different. Otherwise it is totally Beethoven. Thank you for asking!
It's a pity that the Mahler Chamber Orchestra together with the DW lend themselves to being part of such a mediocre performance of Beethoven's violin concerto. Who does Mr. Kuusisto think he is to change notes or improvise in one of the most emblematic concertos in the violin repertoire? This has no place even from the point of view of historicism, Beethoven was the musician of the classical period who created the concept of a closed work. Perhaps in his first opus a performer can introduce some delicate personal imprint, however, from the "Eroica" symphony, through his sonata Op. 57 and the quartets Op 59 and until the end of his production, any intervention or change is really disrespectful, but since we live in a time where there are so many recordings and everything is so saturated, there is never a shortage of Mr. Kuusisto who try to do something different at the cost of harming what was written by the composer. I would recommend Mr. Kuusisto pay attention to the intonation before changing Beethoven's notes.
@@isqueirus I had Norrington in mind, TBH. If one of my students played this sloppily i would be embarsssed, the man can't even shift. This isn't Beethoven, more an impression of it. Bah.
Kuusisto's own ornamentations- improvisations are actually much more closer to that period. Performers were much more improvising and using freedom and imagination..Im sure Beethoven himself was playing differently cadenzas each time performing on piano. That makes this performance artistry and discovery rather than reproducting same, what already 100 violinists do. Also it proofs this guy is true musician.
I totally agree with what you say. Plus, if I were Mr. Kuusisto, instead of changing Beethoven's notes, I would concentrate more on the technical part and the intonation which, in his version, leaves a lot to be desired.
It strikes me that Kuusisto has reanimated a living, breathing conversation between composer, soloist(s) and orchestra with this interpretation.
What an interesting interpretation of this magical piece! I love when the orchestra is so obviously enjoying themselves! Bravo!
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And ensemble that embraces improvisation! All too rare. A marvelous performance.
What a wonderful version of this piece of music. Puts a spotlight on the unbridled joy this concerto brings to the lucky listeners. A glorious performance by musicians at the top of their game! Bravo to all involved, what a treat that was!!
Yes, absolutely...and the recording is of a very high standard...you can actually hear the 4 kettledrum-beats...as an opening of - and into this masterpiece!!
This is like a recomposed version, a lot of freedom was taken here. Nice cover
With Pekka as the solist you never know what will happen :-)
Nothing out of Pekka is "off the shelf". Never fails to surprise and delight. As for MCO - I never got the idea of "the magic lies in the silence". Now I understand. Thank you for elevating my Sunday afternoon.
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Beethoven will always be a magical musical genius!
It really doesn’t matter whether you listen to beautiful violin version or the piano concerto, both are simply awe inspiring masterpieces!
I will say this is an interpretation with a lot more caring about the "Beethoven Sound" than many other interpretations. Pekka Kuusisto may have a somewhat different solution of this, but his and this orchestras presentation of this music is nothing but spledid. Thank you all so much for making this violin consert exiting again!
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Spectacular music, very talented musicians, impeccable sound system and a silent audience. It is possible to see the melody with our eyes closed.
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One can’t fairly discuss a Pekka Kuusisto performance without pointing out that he is one of the leading musical geniuses of our time. I would just listen to him and appreciate his talent, because he is a gift from God.
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What a refreshingly original interpretation, bravo!
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Eine Interpretation die dem Konzert in seiner Entstehung/Zeit nahe kommt! Schön!
Zudem ein phantastischer Interpret und Dirigent. Bravo!👍👏
Yes, this performance reminds me of some of the "smaller, thinner" Geige sounds in some of Beethoven's other works with solo violin parts. Sehr interresant!
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You mean, we all love PEKKA KUUSISTO.
Music that restores my faith in humanity.
Indeed, In very trying times
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Kuusisto is the only fiddle player I know of who undulates the bow - he does it masterfully without encroaching on the adjacent strings. He conducts in the style of David Grimal - without any arm gestures whatsoever. I like that. Every other soloist who dispenses with a conductor waves his arms around as if the orchestra really needed that much fuss. This can be said to be the Kuusisto/Beethoven concerto and I have no idea why he would want to insert so many of his own notes but there you have it. You can take it or leave it but it is NOT the Beethoven concerto. I wonder when pianists are going to start doing the same thing. (Going into 8:27 a horn holds on to the "a" and it sounds awkward but this is nevertheless a very good orchestra.)
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Thank you! I believe at the time this music was new solists had a much greater freedom to play it the way they wanted, in candenzas and so on. With time it has developed a tradition of how to play, even the cadenzas are nowadays schematic. Therefore I like Pekkas playing, it is a big step away from this tradition. You say this is not the Beethoven conserto. Still I only have to listen to this a couple of seconds to recognice "aha, this is Beethovens violin conserto". Best wishes!
@@staffanolofsson8201 That is NOT logical. If what you say were true, piano players would be changing Beethoven's notes too. Cadenzas, yes, the body of the work, no. In any case, I was not criticizing Kuusisto's method - he can do what he wants. In fact, it's the best rendition of the "Beethoven" concerto I've ever heard, although it's not the Beethoven concerto. I would like him to try doing that to the other standard concertos. 🙂
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An interesting discussion. What we can agree about is the high quality of this playing. Let me say that I respect your opinion! But improvisation has been a part of early music, and still at the time of Beethoven was a part of building cadenzas. Sometimes Beethoven himself didnt have his score fully written out, as when he played his third piano concerto for the first time in public 1803-04-05. He improvised a bit, even if he had his music in his head! My own opinion is that it is a bit sad that improvisations nowadays are totally excluded in classical music. So therefore I like Pekkas approach to this music. 👍
This is such an exhilarating experience! There is so much power and strength that comes from this classical piece!
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Great artist and orchestra! Original 🔥
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never heart it like that. Great, incredible....
Yes, this is a very odd version of this violin consert. But who said you cannot play it this way? Perhaps tradition, but skip tradition. I love this interpretation for its sincerity and its way to try to interprete this music in a somewhat new way. Still with all right feelings about this work. And I admire Pekka Kuusisto for daring to do so.
Thanks for sharing your opinion on the matter!
And I also think this playing is an attempt to look on the inside of this work instead of its outside. An effort to bring out the essence of it, instead of its regular outside.
Just don‘t call it Beethoven concerto then .
@@mohamedhiber7314 OK, I will call it a Pekka Kuusisto consert, but it for sure sounds very much Beethoven. I myself think this interpretation comes very close to Beethoven, closer then many more "strict" interpretations. Pekka has a wonderful touch in this. He is more Beethoven than many other interpretation. But I agree, we can have different opinions about this.
It made my heart lighter :) Spectacular performance :)
30:47, that's new to me, nice touch. Also I like the slightly Scottish sounding cadenza.
Bravo!!!
Oh my God! Why do classical music lovers need to be so conservative? These are the people who sleep during the presentation. Please, soloists have the freedom to create and improvise as they wish in the cadenzas. Music is a dynamic cultural phenomenon. I loved the concert.
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First of all: I like this performance. First time I have heard it played like that. I have heard about the first performance ever of the concerto. They played without rehearsal, and did all sort of jokes during the concert. I have looked into the score ( have played the concerto myself many years ago). And there are fermatas all the places they are making small cadenzas. So I will say this is absolutely within the limits of what Beethoven has written in the score. Nice they had the courage to do it
Thanks. I believe music sometimes has to expand limits set by tradition.
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참 좋습니다(very good)!
Bravo. Great performance
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What a smooth playing from Pekka!🤓
Sencillamente una Obra de Arte Musical.
Grandioso . Beethoven...
beautiful ❤
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The violin seems a bit submerged, but I truly enjoy hearing the "assisting" instruments so clearly.
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Absolutely beautiful song. 🎼💛
The G drone note in the orchestra, with the G minor key violin solo above, in the Rondo movement (33:36), sounds Middle Eastern but less kitschy than Mozart #5 3rd movement. Never heard this in 40 years of listening to the Beethoven concerto. Amazing!
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Belíssimo.
Fantastic interpretation! Too bad Beethoven only wrote a single violin concerto.
Nice.
Well, this was certainly an odd interpretation. 37:34 Quoting from Symphony Nr.7? Does anyone have an explanation of what's happening here? The description offers nothing than standard program notes. 🤔
He simply makes a quotation from the 1st movement of the 7th symphony in order to relate the rhythmic pattern of the finale of the concerto to the aforementioned movement's. Andras Schiff makes quotations from Don Giovanni overture while playing the cadenza of the finale of the 20th piano concerto by Mozart, I think, in order to establish the key relation between those two pieces (d minor,).
These are not so weird things to be done.
Which makes sense. Beethoven didn't provide cadenzas so, of course, the soloist has to use ones provided by other violinists (Joachim, Kreisler, et al.).
I'm just puzzled by the many OTHER embellishments, of music added by members of the orchestra at the end of phrases.
I'm not outraged or appalled by these antics - only curious. Have a safe and interesting week, @@caginn
When Pekka Kuusisto plays you never know what will happen!
Yes, time for some folk music at 37:34! A combination of Finnish and Balkan folk music I believe. I like it!
@@TheStockwell In the score Beethoven has placed cadenza markings all over the place. So it is actually in the score. Normally just not done.
I swear I heard a quote from a Mahler symphony in the first movement - played by the oboes! I'm not upset by these antics, or the "improvisations" by the soloist and the winds, but I do miss some of the singing melody lines that get swallowed by Pekka's abrupt and extreme dynamics, or rhythmically distorted almost beyond recognition. Definitely defeats expectations - which is what is intended. It's silly, however, to say it's not Beethoven. It's not Furtwangler, Klemperer, Heifetz, or Szeryng - not 20th century tradition in other words. I can't say I prefer it to any of the above, but I listened to it with close attention, which is more than I can say about most of the slavish "traditional" versions I hear nowadays.
Thanks for sharing your take on the performance!
Exquisite rendition of a classic composition
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私のこの曲のベスト盤は、オイストラフですが、この演奏も結構いいですねぇ。
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change the title: Beethoven violin concerto cover.
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Can someone please tell me why this performance is different why it is not like other performance of this piece did they change it?I can't understand
Different playing in the cadenzas, and a little different ornaments. And the bridge from the second to the third movement is different. Otherwise it is totally Beethoven. Thank you for asking!
@@staffanolofsson8201 Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question
I think I will stick to Szeryng
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It's a pity that the Mahler Chamber Orchestra together with the DW lend themselves to being part of such a mediocre performance of Beethoven's violin concerto.
Who does Mr. Kuusisto think he is to change notes or improvise in one of the most emblematic concertos in the violin repertoire? This has no place even from the point of view of historicism, Beethoven was the musician of the classical period who created the concept of a closed work. Perhaps in his first opus a performer can introduce some delicate personal imprint, however, from the "Eroica" symphony, through his sonata Op. 57 and the quartets Op 59 and until the end of his production, any intervention or change is really disrespectful, but since we live in a time where there are so many recordings and everything is so saturated, there is never a shortage of Mr. Kuusisto who try to do something different at the cost of harming what was written by the composer.
I would recommend Mr. Kuusisto pay attention to the intonation before changing Beethoven's notes.
So he's a better composer than Beethoven, eh? Ornamentation is one thing, just ignoring Beethoven is quite another.
No, he is more like Currentzis. According to him (Currentzis) nobody understood Beethoven until he himself came along to enlight all of us🤡🤡
@@isqueirus I had Norrington in mind, TBH. If one of my students played this sloppily i would be embarsssed, the man can't even shift. This isn't Beethoven, more an impression of it. Bah.
Kuusisto's own ornamentations- improvisations are actually much more closer to that period. Performers were much more improvising and using freedom and imagination..Im sure Beethoven himself was playing differently cadenzas each time performing on piano. That makes this performance artistry and discovery rather than reproducting same, what already 100 violinists do. Also it proofs this guy is true musician.
Beethoven concerto doesn't need so much change ! horrible
I totally agree with what you say.
Plus, if I were Mr. Kuusisto, instead of changing Beethoven's notes, I would concentrate more on the technical part and the intonation which, in his version, leaves a lot to be desired.
I am not an expert but, reading the orher opiniões, you both seem to be quite isolated....what can I say....loved it....fantastic❤
@@mariajosepereira100 do you even understand what you said?
This is not Beethoven's violin concerto. It's okay to play a variation on Beethoven's concerto, just call it for what it is.
I think i have a pretty open mind in general but i have to say I really don't like this version, sorry.
Too much. Way too much.
It is no Beethoven 😢
Yeah, just a shame that Beethoven was better at it
Absolutely horrible in every way...he should be banned
Nobody should be banned. Not even you, that wants someone to be banned. 😉
Horrible
This is not a chamber work and should not be performed by a chamber orchestra! Didn't bother listen.
Then you missed an interesting experience. Beethoven's orchestra would not have been much bigger than this, by the way.
Bravo 🌞