he wasnt too weak in contrary he had so much willpower he was able to maintain his counciousness while being marked by the 3 fingers and in the end he became a lord of the frenzy flame by abandoning his resolve and letting go thus becoming a lord of frenzy
theres a correlation between that and how your character moves about in a sort of gleeful manner during the frenzied flame ending i think that the frenzied flame, and madness in of itself in elden ring, isnt so much madness, as it is hysteria. though i suppose theres an argument to be made that hysteria is a form of madness
@@Quantumact2908 i thinks that the way our character move at the end, is, it's no longer our character but another bastard that taken our body, our place. The guy move in a way, really specifique to his life. i thinks he hase pleasure and has fun when he fight us in the "lord of the frenzy flame" state and when we get him inside us, explode our head and have is fun is own way with the Elden ring.
There’s a theory I have that Madness, or the Frenzied Flame, isn’t something that we harness or channel. I think the Frenzied Flame is harnessing it’s victims. When one becomes the Lord of Frenzied Flame they are fully assimilated into the Frenzied Flame’s consciousness. Like that conversation with the Frenzied Finger Maiden, or when Vyke almost completes the path. That being said there’s something else that makes me love the Frenzied Flame even more. In Midra’s boss theme you can hear the violin of the buried Merchant clan, a massacre that was aimed at the wrong people. They were buried because they were suspected of partaking in the madness, but they weren’t, and they all suffered for it. I think the Frenzied Flame is channeling the sounds of their violins to us in the bossfight as a way of boasting. It’s proud of the aimless, unjust suffering that it caused. Not only displaying it, but once again assimilating it into its identity.
That's what frenzied madness is. You have to submit to the pain, accept it and take pleasure from that pain. That's y Midra was a failed Lord he was in misery trying to endure the pain, until WE tarnished arrived and he gave up and accepted it and he became the Lord.
@@kyle_rune2717yes in my opinion, because the woods were actually quite lively if you see certain pictures in the house of Midra, but I assume Midra and his whole "I must endure" thing turned it into a wasteland like how when you become the lord of frenzied flame you turn everything into basically hell on earth
Ah, reminds me of something I like about Radagon that I’m not sure how to describe. Like… the hammer swings, and Radagon’s body just moves/drifts to wherever it needs to be for that swing to land. Like when he does the big float-up-slam-down attack, it’s like he just intended to “raise the hammer up high and then slam it down on the Tarnished” so what happened automatically was that his entire body floats up with the hammer and then floats forward as the hammer swings as far as it needs to swing to land a hit. It reminds of a “reversing cause and effect” concept I’ve seen in at least two different manga (iirc), like “whatever has to happen for the hammer to hit is what will happen”. Or just a strange full-body telekinesis. Or like he’s being puppeted.
@@Lessen0Radagon moves with a lot more grace than a majority of the bosses in game, you’d expect him to have a lot more heft especially given his state but no he appears almost weightless despite his apparent mass. I think the way he is unaffected by gravity in any negative sense is meant to show his godlike status.
@@yaboismeernoff1717That would be terrible design wise. Malekith is a sekiro boss like in speed and having that much health would make the thing hardly withstandable for a player at that level who can, in the average, beat the Cleargyman.
the only thing so far that i actually dislike about the DLC is how little lore there is on midra and the abyss despite how cool and seemingly significant he his considering its the frenzied flame we're dealing with here.
@@apexways4733 fr. There’s really interesting, potential implications from that picture of him with merika. Hopefully we can at least get some glimpse of their relationship
There's always 3 bosses you can expect to do well against any enemy; Mohg due to Nihil, Maliketh due to destined death, and Malenia because she's Malenia.
The way he moves, so graceful as to appear weightless, is so interesting to watch. Like someone who goes so far into rage that they circle back around to being tranquil. Or, more likely the intended impression, someone relieved of the burden of sanity now finding it in them to revel in the absurd and feeling weightless. Love this dude.
@@VanVungNguyen-he9mt na, lord and god is hyper important in lore, with the frenzy flame too. a lord is someone that can vessel the power of a god. Marika is a god, Miquella became a god and Malenia and Ranni got what it take to become god. But, to be regent, they need a lord, a protector, because, even we, simple tarnished can kill them. The lord is a generally a protector, and somebody that can use the power of their god, has a consort, to rule the world on their own view. The reason for exemple that Godfrey stopped being a elden lord is, because he was a battle junky, and he was not too fond of being a lord without battle ahead. so, he dip out with marika consent, and came back later to try to became elden lord again after being killed on the battlefield has a tarnished. In the case of the frenzy flame, it's simpler. The outer god of the frenzy flame want to whip all of creation. He can infect anythings living, immortal, with a soul to corrupt. Even without a soul, if you have a body, you can be used. But even if he corrupt the might, he cannot push is agenda, so he need to make a strong champion to claim the Elden Ring, he need to make a LORD. That's what Midra is, an attempt to make a champion to claim the Elden Ring, and this is what you can be, if you are hugged by the tree finger. With the power of the elden ring and Marika, the frenzy flame then get what he need to destroy everythings. So, a god and a lord is not the same things, BUT they can have a power similar on their own scale. it's just that they need one another to complete their might. last and all, Melina is at the end, a godess. if she was to accept a concort, she could also make with him a world of his own. but, the problem is, i dont think she want it, because it would be a world shaped by the scarlet rot in part. And she does not want to impede the work of her borther Miquella. Edit : now that i thinks about it, When marika created fused with radaggon one of her general (he was not at the start another part of Marika, he was yet to fuse completly) it was certainly to cheat the system. At all time, you need both a lord and a god to control the world, but, also, you cannot force your view on your lord, and part of his view will become part of your world. So, by making a part of herself lord, she could reing suprem on the world and push her view for all to suffer without anybody to stop her... until the greater will finds the cheat code and patch it with the biggest chancla in the ass. Marika does not take it good, explode the elden ring, then make everyone fight each other to make an age of chaos. The greater will on the other hand, does not take it for a good joke, make Marika the eternal, eternally suffer jesu christ style, and say to everybody "PUT A LORD FOR THIS BITCH TO BE WITH" until then, Marika was grounded. the problem is, no demi-god could win, the Greater will grow impatient and said : "yo, we dont have little people, full of desire, that we throw out of the middle land like trash ? make them come back and promise them a chance to become litteral Elden Lord". So at the end, the real things is, The greater will act has a big boss, that just make sure his law are followed, but he dont care how we make the world after. If we explode it with the frenzy flame, he dont give a shit, if ranni make it anew, if dont care... all that matter to him is that the law of Lord and Gods is followed, and that there is a form of order. (even chaos is a form of order for him, the order of things). the greater will is not the god of the golden order, is just a god of how law must bi abided. the goddess of the golden order was Marika. and i thinks the erdtree are portal, or antenna for other outer god and the greater will to pass on their will. good luck for all that.
@@cristodemonte1690 "until the greater will finds the cheat code and patch it with the biggest chancla in the ass." I'm not sure which event(s) you're referring
@@amirrezahidari5244 someone summarized it pretty well under a different video; Nanaya was connected to the Three Fingers and tried to raise a Lord of Frenzied flame, but they were too weak to absorb the Three Fingers, only their spine survived. She seems to have lead a group of scholars lead by Midra towards studying the flame in another attempt, and unlike most, he was able to retain his sense of self after he was infected as well as absorb a much higher dose of the Frenzy Flame than most. When the Hornsent discovered his research, and the nature of the Frenzy Flame and its power to destroy spirits, they sent the inquisition to eradicate them. Midra was executed by that sword, but as we can see he was too strong and could not die. Despite being in absolute agony he refused to give into the flame, and has been confined to his manor ever since. The player pushes him past the breaking point after suffering so long, and her gives up holding the flame back. As he did not absorb the Three Fingers he is not as powerful as we are in the LoFF ending, but he was closer than anyone to ascending, so he gains a partial transformation.
@@Houseoholikermakes you question the nature of the frenzied flamed… what is it? Did the three fingers create it? Did Marika? How long has it existed in the world?
@@bofa722 yes Big flowy graceful moldy fabric beats gaudy frenzy head That thing would block your vision more than a greathammer sometimes on top of probably being BLINDING
I also wanted his big phase 2 explosion he does. It would be the frenzy version of Scarlet Aeonia, pretty much. Especially because I find the spell he gives is quite disappointing, and I feel there are better frenzy spells already in the game.
I find it interesting that outside of the manor you see a bunch of headless corpses impaled with the same thing as midra. Implying that he was just one of many failed lord of frenzy.
They were all executed for studying the frenzied flame. The Hornsend put those spikes in them to suppress the flame. That is why Midra has that big barb in him and that is also the reason why it has holy damage and doesn't cause frenzy build up or fire damage when the player wields it. The sword Midra wields has nothing to do with the frenzied flame, it is a holy tool used to suppress his madness. Because of that, he has to suffer eternally to keep the "boss" we fight away.
Those were Midra's late staff/followers, executed as part of the inquisitions purge. My going theory is that these executed followers are the origins of the Aging Untouchables that roam the abyssal woods. Their number doesn't quite match up, though.
@@INMGrunge The Greatsword of Damnation is made from unalloyed gold, the same stuff which Miquella made his needles from to help Malenia. Unalloyed gold seems to suppress the influence of Outer Gods, so of course that would also mean whatever Outer God is behind the Flame of Frenzy.
The ones executed outside are just followers of Midra, not failed Lords. Midra tried to become the Lord of Frenzied Flame but failed until we came along and pushed him over the edge.
@@coconuts5792 If you have been playing this game for a while, you should already know that bosses deal higher damage when using their own weapons or spells / incantations.
@@coconuts5792 so there are different tick values on all sources of scarlet rot, for example the dragon breath scarlet rot deals 20% more damage than the scarlet rot applied by the ash of war the dlc added, similarly the tick damage of scarlet rot applied by the swamp in caelid is significantly less than what is applied by the lake of rot, and Malenia's scarlet rot is by far the strongest. in all cases, the tick damage is % based.
For the lord of frenzied flames, his movements are quite elegant, you would expect the highest degree of madness from him, like crazy unconventional movements that are pretty much impossible to dodge but I guess he was so crazy that he went back to serene 😂
It's not him anymore, it's the Frenzied Flame. It doesn't seem to be "crazy", in the human sense of the word, it's an ancient god that wants everything to return to the way things were before existence, life, souls, matter, etc. It's also quite clear in having this goal, it seems, so it not acting wild and crazy makes sense.
@Chinelinone can only hope. As it stands, my Emperor of Frenzied Flame character burned the Lands Between to cinders, escaped to the Land of Shadow & Melina may never find me, but whatever happens next, I just don’t know. From has a nasty habit of leaving a lot of loose ends untied.
I mean that’s how I won. Mimic pulled an Undertaker with Aeonia, died, and then my 0 Flask self had to dodge Midra for a while waiting for his final 1/10th HP to drain. Very tense, very cool.
It's kinda hillarious how anyone who can just tank the lava from Rykard makes almost all of his other skills useless since none of them are intended to his close range.
I'm convinced that Marika is the primary source of Madness in the lands between. As we know, Madness manifests with tremendous rage, loss, pain, and sorrow. And We've also learned that everything Marika has done is essentially one huge emotional response to her own own trauma.
y'know what i hate about Madness? it's that it does absolutely nothing to bosses. Oh sure, sleep can either put bosses to sleep, or stagger them, but madness won't even take a small chunk of health? what's even the point if it's a PvP exclusive stat?
y'know what i hate about Break stance? it's that it does absolutely nothing to other players. Oh sure, sleep can either put other players to sleep, or stagger them, but Break stance won't even proc in PVP? what's even the point if it's a PvE exclusive stat?
One thing I've noticed in these Malenia fights is that she's not really that strong, but she will *ALWAYS* win due to the fact that she can heal This healing ability isn't really shown against the player cause she can literally hit us twice and we're dead, but against opponent's with a large health pool, it really shines and pushes her further
@@vincetiusbennikhagatraperk4622 I doubt she was under Miquellas spell, Malenias love for him was genuine, Miquella also loved Malenia greatly, going as far as to cast away the Golden order just for her Also Malenia was sent to kill Radahn by Miquella so Miquella could hypnotize Radahn in Moghs body And Malenia knew of this plan, so I doubt that if she knew that Miquella was gonna hypnotize someone else that she wouldn't just connect the dots and realized she's also being hypnotized
the Fire Giant did surprisingly well i guess his fire resistance helped a bit, but getting stuck behind that rock might be Midra's greatest blunder against him
seeing how Midra performed against Radan and Mohg really drives home just how much of Mohg's restructured body contributes to revived Radan's strength lmao
@@willienelsonmandelayeeehaw2203 no, the owner of the channel can adjust their damage and damage negation scadutree max level gives you 2x boost to damage and 3x boost to damage negation which can be done easily by the owner of the channel, or just use the NG+7 variant unlike madness, it's pretty hard to force a type of status effects on bosses, or to make them susceptible to madness which was already coded by the game so that it doesn't work on them
Ok so here are so things we know for sure. And things that are just speculation about Midra. Things we know 1. He was claimed by the three fingers but not on his own as he didnt want to be the inheritor. 2. The Horsent impaled him. (I think thats why there is a sword in his head idk bout that) 3. They burned everything around him leaving him to mourne. 4. His wife nanaya asked him to keep living for them all. 5. He goes against this because of the tarnished ultimately succumbing to the lord of frienzied flame. Speculation 1. He is the first inheritor of the frienzied flame 2. He was the first to burn the erdtree. And yeah thats all I got. Pretty interesting character. Hope to know more about him.
he was not the first frienzied flame inheritor since we can find the torch of nanaya on a corpse not far away from the boss and it has this discription "A torch made by attaching a dying flame of frenzy to a small spinal column. In a distant land, in an age long past, was born a man who failed to become the Lord of Frenzied Flame. All that remains of him is cradled gently by Nanaya" so yeah there was another that was the inheritor of the frenzied flame prior somewhere far away.
@@sirsunman7826I think Midra almost became the lord of Frenzy, but failed. He was executed by the Hornsent inquisitors for this, but the apotheosis attempt left him immortal. Nanaya kept the few embers of his attempt and attached it to his spinal cord. She then told Midra to endure, possibly to keep him suffering so his next apotheosis ritual would be successful, which it then is.
After watching Boss vs bosses for many videos, i finally understand that Malenia is not that strong, the only advantage she had more than other bosses is Scarlet Aeonia. Once you dodge that move, the rest is not that hard
@@paris5831 The more important factor is that because the DLC has the whole Scadutree Fragment system, they had to make DLC bosses' scaling way higher than those in the base game. We are fortunate enough to get a considerable buff in the DLC, these poor bosses don't.
Like, it's not even the debuff itself but the fact she gets a free nuke at the start of the second phase that no AI can dodge and also puts her out of range in case you could knock her out of it. There are boss vs boss videos where she literally won because she did the nuke back to back, at the start and 3 seconds later 😂
21:45 there is something oddly epic about watching two beings corrupted by the power of outer gods fight it out, its almost like the outer gods themselves are choosing which of them lays claim to the land.
Honestly it's kinda sad that Malenia still wins against most of the bosses just because the AI can't handle scarlet aeonia, and scarlet aeonia does so much fucking damage.
Man i was really hoping vyke gets more attention in this dlc unless theres more lore about him but i wish we can get more from him like he's in the game cover for the game damnit
Maliketh was so close, poor doggo! I’m also convinced that Malenia can take down almost any boss, as long as the AI doesn't figure out that it should avoid the Rot.
I'm not sure whats up but I do not remember status effects doing anywhere near that damage, bleed's only supposed to do 10% plus arcane scaling not a third of Midra's hp.
Pretty interesting, generally Godskin Duo and Maliketh are showstoppers for those PVE fights because black flame is so good at destroying health bars and here he just walked over all of them lmao.
midra's first human form phase was skipped lol.. he does have 2 phases in frenzied flame mode like how radagon and godfrey(steam at each half of the main phases increasing aoes as a example) has subphases..
I think to make the fights a little fair for the base game bosses, reducing the defense and maybe the attack of the dlc bosses is in order since Scadutree Blessings are recommended to simply progress. We know the base game bosses are too weak at this point outside of the absolute strongest. Midra was a weak, frail old man, yet look how strong the Lord of Frenzied Flame became after using him as a vessel. Imagine if we had to fight a Demigod or Empyrean who had become his vessel.
I feel like you should be able to proc madness on at least the demigods. Just make em pretty resistant to it. It’s just got so many cool mechanics n lore behind it, but it’s not really worth doing a full build around in PvE outside of p good damage from some spells
Midra wouldve won against Malenia if not for how Madness not working on bosses for no reason while her stupid 100% rot shit will always proc cuz AI cant dodge it.Even a brief stun would be okay not even need a visceral attack window.
@@CalmingVisionary You know that Radahn fought armies before her showed up, right? Like...Radahn was alone and Malenia was assisted by all of her Cleanrot Knights. The lore states that Radahn IS THE STRONGEST DEMIGOD, you cannot change that. Malenia was defeated but surprised him with her cancer nuke. And guess what? Now she's half dead and sleeping forever below a tree and the chad general is still fightning, undefeated.
Yes That Mod Show Everyone How Stronger Radahn is. Especialy The reason of Pre-Radahn on Elden Ring Caelid Demo. That Mod Radahn The Star Conqueror is Amazing. He Meteor Everyone 3 Time in phase.
I love how once someone reaches peak madness, they become serene instead. There's not a single jitter in Midra's movements, and neither in our tarnished when they become the lord of the frenzied flame. It's such a cool detail.
Midra in lore: Too weak to become the true lord of the frenzied flame
Midra in gameplay: Literally kills god
If that's with Midra's weak body. Imagine this power on the Tarnished that already killed a god beforehand
he wasnt too weak in contrary he had so much willpower he was able to maintain his counciousness while being marked by the 3 fingers and in the end he became a lord of the frenzy flame by abandoning his resolve and letting go thus becoming a lord of frenzy
@@angrykfcnoises1492We would be cooked against Prime Midra 💀
@@angrykfcnoises1492his remembrance literally says he was took weak
@@oddllamasquad9737 yeah more like he was very strong to suppress the frienzied flame within but too weak to wield it efficiently
15:30 Okay, that was pretty cool. Blasting him out the sky right before he strikes.
What a cinematic moment.
Look like he was waiting this moment kkkk
I'm surprised it was possible. That sort of animation is usually uninterruptible.
@@shiwanabeI guess the damage threshold to get Placcidusax out of the animation is so high that you usually don't have time to do it.
@@dethkruzermight be possible now with carian sovereignty. That ash does so much poise damage it's nuts.
its kinda interesting how gracefully midra moves during his fight despite being lost to the madness.
theres a correlation between that and how your character moves about in a sort of gleeful manner during the frenzied flame ending
i think that the frenzied flame, and madness in of itself in elden ring, isnt so much madness, as it is hysteria. though i suppose theres an argument to be made that hysteria is a form of madness
@@Quantumact2908 i thinks that the way our character move at the end, is, it's no longer our character but another bastard that taken our body, our place. The guy move in a way, really specifique to his life. i thinks he hase pleasure and has fun when he fight us in the "lord of the frenzy flame" state and when we get him inside us, explode our head and have is fun is own way with the Elden ring.
There’s a theory I have that Madness, or the Frenzied Flame, isn’t something that we harness or channel. I think the Frenzied Flame is harnessing it’s victims. When one becomes the Lord of Frenzied Flame they are fully assimilated into the Frenzied Flame’s consciousness. Like that conversation with the Frenzied Finger Maiden, or when Vyke almost completes the path.
That being said there’s something else that makes me love the Frenzied Flame even more. In Midra’s boss theme you can hear the violin of the buried Merchant clan, a massacre that was aimed at the wrong people. They were buried because they were suspected of partaking in the madness, but they weren’t, and they all suffered for it. I think the Frenzied Flame is channeling the sounds of their violins to us in the bossfight as a way of boasting. It’s proud of the aimless, unjust suffering that it caused. Not only displaying it, but once again assimilating it into its identity.
That's what frenzied madness is. You have to submit to the pain, accept it and take pleasure from that pain.
That's y Midra was a failed Lord he was in misery trying to endure the pain, until WE tarnished arrived and he gave up and accepted it and he became the Lord.
Its said on an item that the madness brings tranquillity after
I guess this fight confirms that those who become the lord of frenzied flame literally lose their heads.
I think it’s meant to symbolize the lord losing his mind
and the abyssal woods is the example of what happens to the lands between if we choose the frenzied flame ending
@@kyle_rune2717I think we just burn everything though that is a slight possibility
@@kyle_rune2717yes in my opinion, because the woods were actually quite lively if you see certain pictures in the house of Midra, but I assume Midra and his whole "I must endure" thing turned it into a wasteland like how when you become the lord of frenzied flame you turn everything into basically hell on earth
@@kyle_rune2717I'm pretty sure we literally just burn everything to the ground
That Mogh fight was a close one. Wasn't expecting him to pull that off.
I was surprised he axtually survived long enough to pull off his nihil attack
15:50 yeah btw his first dialogue be like "That Mad Sun of the B*tch Here F*ck".
I actually bet on Mohg, because the main point of Midra seems to be massive HP pool, and Bleed deals %-based damage.
Mohg is very resistant to fire which is probably why he lasted as long as he did.
testament to the design of the boss( I fucking hate him )
21:53 That pool of rot and madness would be Miyazaki's wet dream for a swamp
Shouldve made abyssal woods a madness swamp 🗿
3/10 not enough swamps...
STOP GIVING HIM IDEAS!
Miyazaki: double status buildup swamp mmm
We all know Miyazaki wants to do deathblight swamp but bandai doesn't let him do it
I still don't think that is the end of his dream. Next game or DLC properly have lake that build up Death Bliss to make us suffer. 💀
Any fight with Margit always makes me chuckle because he can get practically one shot and he’ll still say “thou art of passing skill” like 😂😂😂
Well, they were of enough skill to pass him. 😂 all of them were.
I really like how Midra moves, his body is just a puppet to the giant Frenzy Flame, so it moves with the flame as its center of mass.
Ah, reminds me of something I like about Radagon that I’m not sure how to describe. Like… the hammer swings, and Radagon’s body just moves/drifts to wherever it needs to be for that swing to land. Like when he does the big float-up-slam-down attack, it’s like he just intended to “raise the hammer up high and then slam it down on the Tarnished” so what happened automatically was that his entire body floats up with the hammer and then floats forward as the hammer swings as far as it needs to swing to land a hit. It reminds of a “reversing cause and effect” concept I’ve seen in at least two different manga (iirc), like “whatever has to happen for the hammer to hit is what will happen”. Or just a strange full-body telekinesis. Or like he’s being puppeted.
@@Lessen0Radagon moves with a lot more grace than a majority of the bosses in game, you’d expect him to have a lot more heft especially given his state but no he appears almost weightless despite his apparent mass. I think the way he is unaffected by gravity in any negative sense is meant to show his godlike status.
Give more credence to my theory that the Frenzied Flame represents the sun.
0:25 he had to sneeze before the fight
Lmao 😂
😂
Midra : "Excuse me let me sneeze for a moment" *fires a death beam*
THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLISHNESS 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Quite literally fire
🔥👄🔥
@@shiningstar737🎉. C bb C V V v. C C vc ,? V😮 😢. Iultimately 😊you joo😊
i ask you forgive me… dearest nanaya…
Enough
Maliketh being one of the few who can put pressure on midra is lvery lore accurate
2nd phase maliketh is one of the most brutal bossfights
it's only "Okay" because he's got half his health left
@@crysosisback7115 i hate it, if they would give him a 2nd fase with full health like melenia, its a 10/10 for me, i love maliketh
@@yaboismeernoff1717 Oh god no please no 😂
@@yaboismeernoff1717That would be terrible design wise. Malekith is a sekiro boss like in speed and having that much health would make the thing hardly withstandable for a player at that level who can, in the average, beat the Cleargyman.
the only thing so far that i actually dislike about the DLC is how little lore there is on midra and the abyss despite how cool and seemingly significant he his considering its the frenzied flame we're dealing with here.
Give it time lol lore channels will find something hopefully
😢it’s soul tradition that tragedy in short words and good person die
@@apexways4733 fr. There’s really interesting, potential implications from that picture of him with merika. Hopefully we can at least get some glimpse of their relationship
At least the horror aspect of the abyss worked for me, I was on edge the entire time.
@@TravisSgyatt There's a picture of him with Marika?! I thought it was his wife Nanaya, her corpse was slumped down on a chair.
15:33 was crazy!
Pure cinema
Imposible!!! 🫨
Just like anime
"Yes fly into the chaos, dragonlord"
The way he shot that shit outta the sky! Like damn!
No one escapes the eye beams
There's always 3 bosses you can expect to do well against any enemy; Mohg due to Nihil, Maliketh due to destined death, and Malenia because she's Malenia.
destined death, bleed and rot deal percentile damage so the stupid hp scaling of DLC bosses doesn't matter.
The way he moves, so graceful as to appear weightless, is so interesting to watch. Like someone who goes so far into rage that they circle back around to being tranquil. Or, more likely the intended impression, someone relieved of the burden of sanity now finding it in them to revel in the absurd and feeling weightless. Love this dude.
Midra's body looking like a puppet and the center of mass is the Giant Bulb of Fire
21:45 Now that was cinematic. Burning the Scarlet Aeonia. The Lord of Frenzied Flame vs the Goddess of Rot.
A lord Vs a god
@@DESTINED_DRAGON both of them could be considered a god bruh
@@VanVungNguyen-he9mt na, lord and god is hyper important in lore, with the frenzy flame too. a lord is someone that can vessel the power of a god. Marika is a god, Miquella became a god and Malenia and Ranni got what it take to become god. But, to be regent, they need a lord, a protector, because, even we, simple tarnished can kill them. The lord is a generally a protector, and somebody that can use the power of their god, has a consort, to rule the world on their own view.
The reason for exemple that Godfrey stopped being a elden lord is, because he was a battle junky, and he was not too fond of being a lord without battle ahead. so, he dip out with marika consent, and came back later to try to became elden lord again after being killed on the battlefield has a tarnished.
In the case of the frenzy flame, it's simpler. The outer god of the frenzy flame want to whip all of creation. He can infect anythings living, immortal, with a soul to corrupt. Even without a soul, if you have a body, you can be used. But even if he corrupt the might, he cannot push is agenda, so he need to make a strong champion to claim the Elden Ring, he need to make a LORD.
That's what Midra is, an attempt to make a champion to claim the Elden Ring, and this is what you can be, if you are hugged by the tree finger.
With the power of the elden ring and Marika, the frenzy flame then get what he need to destroy everythings.
So, a god and a lord is not the same things, BUT they can have a power similar on their own scale. it's just that they need one another to complete their might.
last and all, Melina is at the end, a godess. if she was to accept a concort, she could also make with him a world of his own. but, the problem is, i dont think she want it, because it would be a world shaped by the scarlet rot in part. And she does not want to impede the work of her borther Miquella.
Edit : now that i thinks about it, When marika created fused with radaggon one of her general (he was not at the start another part of Marika, he was yet to fuse completly) it was certainly to cheat the system. At all time, you need both a lord and a god to control the world, but, also, you cannot force your view on your lord, and part of his view will become part of your world.
So, by making a part of herself lord, she could reing suprem on the world and push her view for all to suffer without anybody to stop her... until the greater will finds the cheat code and patch it with the biggest chancla in the ass.
Marika does not take it good, explode the elden ring, then make everyone fight each other to make an age of chaos.
The greater will on the other hand, does not take it for a good joke, make Marika the eternal, eternally suffer jesu christ style, and say to everybody "PUT A LORD FOR THIS BITCH TO BE WITH" until then, Marika was grounded.
the problem is, no demi-god could win, the Greater will grow impatient and said : "yo, we dont have little people, full of desire, that we throw out of the middle land like trash ? make them come back and promise them a chance to become litteral Elden Lord".
So at the end, the real things is, The greater will act has a big boss, that just make sure his law are followed, but he dont care how we make the world after.
If we explode it with the frenzy flame, he dont give a shit, if ranni make it anew, if dont care... all that matter to him is that the law of Lord and Gods is followed, and that there is a form of order. (even chaos is a form of order for him, the order of things).
the greater will is not the god of the golden order, is just a god of how law must bi abided. the goddess of the golden order was Marika. and i thinks the erdtree are portal, or antenna for other outer god and the greater will to pass on their will.
good luck for all that.
@@VanVungNguyen-he9mt nope
@@cristodemonte1690 "until the greater will finds the cheat code and patch it with the biggest chancla in the ass." I'm not sure which event(s) you're referring
15:26 Plasidusax: Thundercloud form!!
Midra: parries with Piercing Rifle from Bloodborne
What did Midra do to deserve to suffer like this?
Being impaled by the GREATSWORD OF DAMNATION must be tense 😅
The sword is anchoring his head on so he doesn't become frenzyman
I really want to know the lore behind him
He's simping for some lady named Nanaya
@@amirrezahidari5244 someone summarized it pretty well under a different video;
Nanaya was connected to the Three Fingers and tried to raise a Lord of Frenzied flame, but they were too weak to absorb the Three Fingers, only their spine survived.
She seems to have lead a group of scholars lead by Midra towards studying the flame in another attempt, and unlike most, he was able to retain his sense of self after he was infected as well as absorb a much higher dose of the Frenzy Flame than most.
When the Hornsent discovered his research, and the nature of the Frenzy Flame and its power to destroy spirits, they sent the inquisition to eradicate them.
Midra was executed by that sword, but as we can see he was too strong and could not die. Despite being in absolute agony he refused to give into the flame, and has been confined to his manor ever since.
The player pushes him past the breaking point after suffering so long, and her gives up holding the flame back.
As he did not absorb the Three Fingers he is not as powerful as we are in the LoFF ending, but he was closer than anyone to ascending, so he gains a partial transformation.
@@Houseoholikermakes you question the nature of the frenzied flamed… what is it? Did the three fingers create it? Did Marika? How long has it existed in the world?
I just LOVE the slow walk he does
It pretty much shows his dominance and bad-assery of being a Lord of Frenzied Flame
I can't believe we didn't get his rags and frenzy head as armor. From pls
Fr I was bummed by that
honestly i couldnt care less if we didnt get the head, i want the big flowy yellow rags, they look so cool
@@MamaTrixxieAsmr bro would rather wear moldy fabric instead of the literal manifestation of an outer-space rage-god 😭😭😭
@@bofa722 yes
Big flowy graceful moldy fabric beats gaudy frenzy head
That thing would block your vision more than a greathammer sometimes on top of probably being BLINDING
I also wanted his big phase 2 explosion he does. It would be the frenzy version of Scarlet Aeonia, pretty much. Especially because I find the spell he gives is quite disappointing, and I feel there are better frenzy spells already in the game.
Margit: like 10% health left
Also Margit: Well, thou art of passing skill.
I find it interesting that outside of the manor you see a bunch of headless corpses impaled with the same thing as midra. Implying that he was just one of many failed lord of frenzy.
I believe, it is more so that he happened to be marked, but resisted. They just came to wipe them all out because they had a marked one among them.
They were all executed for studying the frenzied flame. The Hornsend put those spikes in them to suppress the flame. That is why Midra has that big barb in him and that is also the reason why it has holy damage and doesn't cause frenzy build up or fire damage when the player wields it. The sword Midra wields has nothing to do with the frenzied flame, it is a holy tool used to suppress his madness. Because of that, he has to suffer eternally to keep the "boss" we fight away.
Those were Midra's late staff/followers, executed as part of the inquisitions purge. My going theory is that these executed followers are the origins of the Aging Untouchables that roam the abyssal woods. Their number doesn't quite match up, though.
@@INMGrunge The Greatsword of Damnation is made from unalloyed gold, the same stuff which Miquella made his needles from to help Malenia. Unalloyed gold seems to suppress the influence of Outer Gods, so of course that would also mean whatever Outer God is behind the Flame of Frenzy.
The ones executed outside are just followers of Midra, not failed Lords. Midra tried to become the Lord of Frenzied Flame but failed until we came along and pushed him over the edge.
Damn, only Malenia was able to defeat Midra. It's also good to know that Midra is not immune to Scarlet Rot.
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Yes he is not immune but scarlet rot dont make this fucking big damage.
@@coconuts5792 If you have been playing this game for a while, you should already know that bosses deal higher damage when using their own weapons or spells / incantations.
@@coconuts5792 so there are different tick values on all sources of scarlet rot, for example the dragon breath scarlet rot deals 20% more damage than the scarlet rot applied by the ash of war the dlc added, similarly the tick damage of scarlet rot applied by the swamp in caelid is significantly less than what is applied by the lake of rot, and Malenia's scarlet rot is by far the strongest. in all cases, the tick damage is % based.
i think if it was run again, maliketh and mohg both had good chances of defeating him too
Fun fact: Midra has the highest HP of any boss in the game, excluding Rykard
For the lord of frenzied flames, his movements are quite elegant, you would expect the highest degree of madness from him, like crazy unconventional movements that are pretty much impossible to dodge but I guess he was so crazy that he went back to serene 😂
It's not him anymore, it's the Frenzied Flame. It doesn't seem to be "crazy", in the human sense of the word, it's an ancient god that wants everything to return to the way things were before existence, life, souls, matter, etc. It's also quite clear in having this goal, it seems, so it not acting wild and crazy makes sense.
Organized chaos
Lmao Midra was so done with Placidusax's bs, as soon as he showed himself getting out of the cloud form he lasered his ass straight out of the sky😂
Midra slow-walking towards Placidusax while literal world-shattering lightning hails down in every direction is absolutely terrifying.
15:30 This is the first time I've seen Placidusax get stopped in the middle of his special attack. 💀
“Lord of Frenzied Flame,… I shall follow you as far as you may travel… to deliver you what is yours…: Destined Death…”
@Chinelinone can only hope. As it stands, my Emperor of Frenzied Flame character burned the Lands Between to cinders, escaped to the Land of Shadow & Melina may never find me, but whatever happens next, I just don’t know. From has a nasty habit of leaving a lot of loose ends untied.
Ok so, now we know Scarlet Rot basically trivializes this boss
been knew
The devs didnt want melania to lose to anyone lol
@DLC1990 She loses to Bayle
not even the flame can purge that rot
I mean that’s how I won. Mimic pulled an Undertaker with Aeonia, died, and then my 0 Flask self had to dodge Midra for a while waiting for his final 1/10th HP to drain. Very tense, very cool.
9:14 that was badass
Right on cue with the music so badass
It's kinda hillarious how anyone who can just tank the lava from Rykard makes almost all of his other skills useless since none of them are intended to his close range.
I sure do love seeing my favorite fromsoftware boss:THE KING IN YELLOW beating the shit out of all the lesser bosses.
Midra and Messmer were the best fights in the DLC, both were fast had wonderful movesets but always felt fair and on even footing with the player.
I'm convinced that Marika is the primary source of Madness in the lands between. As we know, Madness manifests with tremendous rage, loss, pain, and sorrow. And We've also learned that everything Marika has done is essentially one huge emotional response to her own own trauma.
bro has not read the lore, when silksong?
@@samueljetstreamrodrigues1864 Just one more year bro...
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@@bofa722 yea its over for their sanity
The flame is primordial. Supposedly being as old, if not older than the crucible. Nothing to do with Marika.
@@samueljetstreamrodrigues1864 ah yes silksong
Midra vs Fortissax
"I see in regards to PvP status ailments, we are evenly matched."
"Indeed. Let us settle this with our mitts, then."
You know, Midra's pretty elegant when he's not kicking my ass.
Seeing Malenia and Midra nuke each other was so hilarious😂🤣
y'know what i hate about Madness? it's that it does absolutely nothing to bosses.
Oh sure, sleep can either put bosses to sleep, or stagger them, but madness won't even take a small chunk of health? what's even the point if it's a PvP exclusive stat?
y'know what i hate about Break stance? it's that it does absolutely nothing to other players.
Oh sure, sleep can either put other players to sleep, or stagger them, but Break stance won't even proc in PVP? what's even the point if it's a PvE exclusive stat?
Remind me again why you’re comparing a gameplay mechanic to a status effect?
I hate to break it to ya but elden ring is much much more of a pve game than a pvp game@faking2221
Yeah it kinda stops it from being this super dangerous thing like in the lore when a majority if enemies just treat it like its normal fire lol
@@theguildmaster3502 The game gets PvP balanced patches. Get over it.
03:46
Midra "oh shit I'm in the way of this guy's dope entrance"
As my friend who uses an entire frenzied flame build says:
“AHHHHH CHAOS…..SWEET RELENTLESS CHAOS!!!!!!!!!(spams rapture emote)”
Midra's movement mixed with his theme. Its basically a dance with madness
Gideon doing his impression of I'm sure all of our first attempts on Midra😂.
One thing I've noticed in these Malenia fights is that she's not really that strong, but she will *ALWAYS* win due to the fact that she can heal
This healing ability isn't really shown against the player cause she can literally hit us twice and we're dead, but against opponent's with a large health pool, it really shines and pushes her further
And also victim of Miquella as well. Even Strongest, She also get Hypnotized.
Yeah, she basically gets twice the health because of it, like the two phases weren't giving her a lot of that.
this person does not level vigor lol
She can heal but also has low hp
@@vincetiusbennikhagatraperk4622 I doubt she was under Miquellas spell, Malenias love for him was genuine, Miquella also loved Malenia greatly, going as far as to cast away the Golden order just for her
Also Malenia was sent to kill Radahn by Miquella so Miquella could hypnotize Radahn in Moghs body
And Malenia knew of this plan, so I doubt that if she knew that Miquella was gonna hypnotize someone else that she wouldn't just connect the dots and realized she's also being hypnotized
2:18 Look at the dragon's right hand, standing perfectly on top of that rock and not clipping through!!!
its interesting that the only ones that even stand a chance are also wielding the influence of an outer god
the Fire Giant did surprisingly well
i guess his fire resistance helped a bit,
but getting stuck behind that rock might be Midra's greatest blunder against him
Midra failing his rapid fire frenzied burst due to rock shenanigans almost cost him
Truly the depths of his foolishness
Holy 15:30 has to be one of the most epic boss interactions I’ve seen. Thanks for the amazing content.
seeing how Midra performed against Radan and Mohg really drives home just how much of Mohg's restructured body contributes to revived Radan's strength lmao
21:43 Midra's being like
"Oh you call that a nuke? I'll show you what real nuke is"
Honestly it would be cool if malenia could be inflicted with madness, prob would have made that fight more fair
@@EconomyCrashes
yeah, it's very unfair for a guy literally called Lord of Frenzied Flame
He's insanely nerfed because of gameplay pvp mechanics
@@Omar-um4nn so is every other boss because they can't benefit from scadutree fragments
@@willienelsonmandelayeeehaw2203
no, the owner of the channel can adjust their damage and damage negation
scadutree max level gives you 2x boost to damage and 3x boost to damage negation
which can be done easily by the owner of the channel, or just use the NG+7 variant
unlike madness, it's pretty hard to force a type of status effects on bosses, or to make them susceptible to madness which was already coded by the game so that it doesn't work on them
Mohg were so close
yes
Yeah
yup
well mohg deals pure hp% damage with nihil
@@ieatwalnut9088 yeh, all bleed does
Morgot: Well, thou art of passing skill…
Midra: my brother in Chaos, you are already melted away.
3:39 I never noticed the sun/moon re-appear in the background when Rahdahn dies
The difference between dlc and base game looks unreal tbh
I now present to you.....
*BIBLLICALLY ACCURATE MAN*
If Midra had done his five hit frenzy combo instead of the two hit one, he would’ve killed Malenia.
his kill on maliketh was CRAZY
Knew my girl Malenia would get the job done "And I have never known defeat..."
Ok so here are so things we know for sure. And things that are just speculation about Midra.
Things we know
1. He was claimed by the three fingers but not on his own as he didnt want to be the inheritor.
2. The Horsent impaled him. (I think thats why there is a sword in his head idk bout that)
3. They burned everything around him leaving him to mourne.
4. His wife nanaya asked him to keep living for them all.
5. He goes against this because of the tarnished ultimately succumbing to the lord of frienzied flame.
Speculation
1. He is the first inheritor of the frienzied flame
2. He was the first to burn the erdtree.
And yeah thats all I got. Pretty interesting character. Hope to know more about him.
he was not the first frienzied flame inheritor since we can find the torch of nanaya on a corpse not far away from the boss and it has this discription
"A torch made by attaching a dying flame of frenzy to a small spinal column. In a distant land, in an age long past, was born a man who failed to become the Lord of Frenzied Flame. All that remains of him is cradled gently by Nanaya"
so yeah there was another that was the inheritor of the frenzied flame prior somewhere far away.
@@sirsunman7826I think Midra almost became the lord of Frenzy, but failed. He was executed by the Hornsent inquisitors for this, but the apotheosis attempt left him immortal. Nanaya kept the few embers of his attempt and attached it to his spinal cord.
She then told Midra to endure, possibly to keep him suffering so his next apotheosis ritual would be successful, which it then is.
After watching Boss vs bosses for many videos, i finally understand that Malenia is not that strong, the only advantage she had more than other bosses is Scarlet Aeonia. Once you dodge that move, the rest is not that hard
Well it is a dlc and after two years players have everything so they had to make the dlc bosses more intense
im sure you figured that out many months ago and not literally just 12 hours ago. Are you storytelling/socializing?
@@paris5831 The more important factor is that because the DLC has the whole Scadutree Fragment system, they had to make DLC bosses' scaling way higher than those in the base game. We are fortunate enough to get a considerable buff in the DLC, these poor bosses don't.
Like, it's not even the debuff itself but the fact she gets a free nuke at the start of the second phase that no AI can dodge and also puts her out of range in case you could knock her out of it.
There are boss vs boss videos where she literally won because she did the nuke back to back, at the start and 3 seconds later 😂
Self healing, and a big one at that, was the biggest issue to fight against in her boss battle. If not for a healing she'd be far easier to defeat.
0:23 Even he started laughing😢
21:45 there is something oddly epic about watching two beings corrupted by the power of outer gods fight it out, its almost like the outer gods themselves are choosing which of them lays claim to the land.
Can't wait for a Frenzied Flame army invades Leyndell sort of video.
28:48 now that looks amazing
Seeing Gideon get completely bodied always brightens my day
Margit after losing 70% percent of his health bar in 2 hits:
i guess you have SOME skill!
I’m looking forward to seeing Midra (or any of the new enemies) fight the NPC’s in the future.
Good content, btw
He really turned Placidusax’s lighting into his own badass backdrop
“Well… thou art of passing skill.”
*dies*
I swear the fights with the Fire Giant always make for a dramatic, close fight no matter who he's fighting.
Honestly it's kinda sad that Malenia still wins against most of the bosses just because the AI can't handle scarlet aeonia, and scarlet aeonia does so much fucking damage.
Well, it's pretty much lore-accurate.
radahn in his prime lost to it in the story as well
@@darkfyre1618 meh, malenia would realistically get smoked by frenzy flame. She's overhyped lore wise
@@Piriphu A reminder that she has no eyes....
@@darkfyre1618
so? Frenzied Flame can burn existence itself and can burn the Scarlet Rot
Rykard: "But I'm surrounded by lava!"
Midra, Lord of the Frenzied FLAME: "I missed the part where that's my problem."
The best boss in elden ring
That fight he had with maliketh was dope also the way that fortisaax fight started too was dope
Man i was really hoping vyke gets more attention in this dlc unless theres more lore about him but i wish we can get more from him like he's in the game cover for the game damnit
nah he just the cover art, sry for spoiler
Maliketh was so close, poor doggo! I’m also convinced that Malenia can take down almost any boss, as long as the AI doesn't figure out that it should avoid the Rot.
Lord of Frenzied Flame is like Elden Ring's Ghost Rider. Nice work❤❤❤
thanks
@@EldenRingFights you're welcome❤❤❤
Someone needs to make a mod that scales bosses to make the fights more even
I'm not sure whats up but I do not remember status effects doing anywhere near that damage, bleed's only supposed to do 10% plus arcane scaling not a third of Midra's hp.
These shots are amazing!
24:01
25:33
Pretty interesting, generally Godskin Duo and Maliketh are showstoppers for those PVE fights because black flame is so good at destroying health bars and here he just walked over all of them lmao.
26:58 the walk...
Watching Midra's AI just get completely confused by the Fire Giant's arena having rocks in it was really interesting.
that helmet should have been included in the dlc
midra's first human form phase was skipped lol.. he does have 2 phases in frenzied flame mode like how radagon and godfrey(steam at each half of the main phases increasing aoes as a example) has subphases..
Midra at 21:42 was like: Two can play that game
3:46 Midra: Yeah fuck this. I'm out of here.
U clearly forgot to scale the base game bosses
So, Midra is basically undefeated. Undefeated, unless you count Melanias bs rot flower attack…but I won’t count that.
I think to make the fights a little fair for the base game bosses, reducing the defense and maybe the attack of the dlc bosses is in order since Scadutree Blessings are recommended to simply progress. We know the base game bosses are too weak at this point outside of the absolute strongest.
Midra was a weak, frail old man, yet look how strong the Lord of Frenzied Flame became after using him as a vessel. Imagine if we had to fight a Demigod or Empyrean who had become his vessel.
I DIDNT NOTICE HOW MUCH RANGE HIS ATTACKS HAD DEIUM
Seems like Malenia learned something from "let me solo her". I can see she improved
Not really. They just designed her opponent to be very weak against rot lol
Yeah She not Really That Strongest. She really Identical with that Atomic Guy reference.
I feel like you should be able to proc madness on at least the demigods. Just make em pretty resistant to it. It’s just got so many cool mechanics n lore behind it, but it’s not really worth doing a full build around in PvE outside of p good damage from some spells
Midra wouldve won against Malenia if not for how Madness not working on bosses for no reason while her stupid 100% rot shit will always proc cuz AI cant dodge it.Even a brief stun would be okay not even need a visceral attack window.
Mohg was so close. With some better RNG I think he could’ve won.
Malenia sempre apelando pra podridão... Se nn fosse isso, ela seria solada pela maioria dos chefes kkkk
Que legal ver um brasileiro aqui também 🤙
@@PatrickDosSantosLima Hehe... Digo o mesmo, brother 🤙
Dónde encuentro el jefe del minuto 5:42?
i wait to see Consort Radahn and Malenia. it will be epic battle
yes
Radahn will absolutely wreck her just like in lore
@@faking2221Malenia literally turned him into a mindless zombie.
@@CalmingVisionary You know that Radahn fought armies before her showed up, right? Like...Radahn was alone and Malenia was assisted by all of her Cleanrot Knights. The lore states that Radahn IS THE STRONGEST DEMIGOD, you cannot change that. Malenia was defeated but surprised him with her cancer nuke. And guess what? Now she's half dead and sleeping forever below a tree and the chad general is still fightning, undefeated.
Yes That Mod Show Everyone How Stronger Radahn is. Especialy The reason of Pre-Radahn on Elden Ring Caelid Demo.
That Mod Radahn The Star Conqueror is Amazing.
He Meteor Everyone 3 Time in phase.
I love how once someone reaches peak madness, they become serene instead. There's not a single jitter in Midra's movements, and neither in our tarnished when they become the lord of the frenzied flame. It's such a cool detail.
He is so fabulous