Ginger Baker Throwback Thursday From the MI Vault
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2015
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I keep coming back to this. There are three guys who just sitting at the drums with no other musicians can keep me engaged and fascinated. Baker, Tony Williams, and Steve Gadd.
Steve Gadd is brilliant indeed
Never tire of watching this particular you tube video
Ginger used a series of specific note values, displaced rudiments, stickings/flams, flam taps, paradiddles, double paradiddles, and rolls in his solos and drove those into his toms and snare in a wide variety of ways syncopating his double paradiddle 6-strokes against his hi-hat and bass drum to get his African rhythmic effects. Undoubtedly, he had his own sound from his drum tuning and from his stick attacks on the rims. He organizes his solos in a series of rudimental and rhythmic themes played at mid to fast tempos.and cut time.with his simple note values being subdivided to add a more complex sound to his playing.
Finally, someone who understands basic drum rudiments and what his solos were about. Good comment. As a drummer myself I understand. Thank you.
I feel very bad for Ginger because as he fields the audience members' questions a professional healthcare provider can readily hear his poor pulmonary function (shortness of breath). In virtually every photo or video of him, there's the ubiquitous cigarette, either between his lips or in one of his hands. By the time he quit using smack, the damage to his heart and lungs was irreparable.
Over the years, heroin weakened him significantly, but chain smoking was his death knell.
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That is so true..
RiP Ginger
It's sad he only lived to the young age of 80.@@Roy-or6ev
Yes that's Ginger Baker! be well sir
RIP King Baker!I could watch and listen to Ginger all day long and do so often.I am 55 years old and in the last few months have developed a strong desire to learn how to play.Been listening to Cream for years but watching these clips and live concert footage has lit a fire under my ass to play.I sang in bands for years and would always play on our drummers kit(or try to) and could keep simple beats in his absence so we could at least practice.Screw it,I'm going for it!
Thank you Ginger for your contributions and you will never be equaled,as originals cannot be.Again,rest in peace Mr Baker.
Cream pre-dated Zeppelin by two years. If people could only realize how groundbreaking Ginger's drumming was...
What's funny is that Cream's reunion concert predated Led Zeppelin's reunion concert by two years, as well. :'D Symmetry is beauty.
Jesse Jay Allen try telling that to any zeppelin fans. Similar to beatle fans in the era of the 60s and 70s, they didn't get the whole picture.
@@VegetabIeMan well as a member of the Led Zeppelin cult (often mistaken for satanism) i can recognise Ginger's playing and ground breaking drumming but that may also be because i do actually play drums so...
@@rainsong7327 well that's fair enough, I think his playing is like that since its very African inspired, the solo could be danced to but it isn't anything like Bonham's solos etc
In my personal opinion, people have surpassed him, but you’re completely right about people not realizing how important he was for that time
Ginger Baker, THE best drummer Britain has ever produced, and arguably the best of all time. Art Blakey, Max Roach etc are the only ones who could argue. RIP Ginger Baker!
Gradually, all of those cats came to appreciate Ginger's prowess as a skins man.
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I set my metronome up to his different time signatures. It was fucking flawless.
He kept a constant rhythm and beat throughout his solos using his high-hat, not his bass. This left him open for double bass rolls when needed. How many of us could do this?
Ginger is one of the most interesting drummers i've ever watched play...
say what you will about ginger. this guy knows what drumming is really all about
True
Huxxy - Ginger doesn’t know what drumming is about. Please explain why he doesn’t. And explain who does.
@@huss03 That one video has only 6k views and it was upload 13 years ago wtf!! Never made it on the algorithm
@@huss03 Dude relax man. I was confused on why it had such low views compared to the other shit videos that get millions. I was actually impressed by that guys drumming.
@@huss03 Plus I'm the one who liked your comment
My watch was running slow so i just set it to Gingers hi-hat.
MorbidManMusic Ginger’s hi-hat cut time into symmetrical little pieces. His most inhuman quality is his sense of time.
One of the best comments i've ever heard.
It’ll still drag towards the end of the vid.
Amen brother. Doesn't matter what the hands are doing, that foot keeps time. Only time it stops is to use the other bass to produce even more magic..
Maybe THE best drummer of all time. Only Art Blakey and Max Roach could argue that with him, in my humble opinion. Half human, half octopus.
White African drum kit wizard. Awesome.
I don't think I've ever seen a drummer do a triplet roll from snare to right tom to left like Baker does often here... Maybe I just never took time to notice. None the less and needless to say Mr. Baker was a very unique talent in a field that has had countless number of people make a go at it.
To be sincere, his jazz sounds more like afrobeat, like its very deep in the roots of african drumming, it sounds really, really good!
theclash435 he lived and studied drumming styles in Africa.
Yeah, that African beat. Boil a big pot of water and get ready to throw whitey in so the cannibals can have a tasty meal.
like he said, phil seaman introduced him to it and said he was the only one who got it
@@duncansutherland47 only after Crean he was into African drumming long before and as Clapton said the emphasis is on the first beat not the second like western drummers
Ginger Baker is a natural,percussive genius!
His drums sound incredible.
RIP to the greatest drummer to ever live! You inspired me and the world with your drumming.
Absolutely ThE GREATEST.
The best in every genre of music
I can hear Jack Bruce in there in so many places, just answering Ginger's phrases.
Ginger was it for me. The most musical of drummers, his solos had a beginning, middle and end. They told stories. They made sense. They were MUSIC. His play also was so unique...you KNEW it was him without having to look.
Well said man. Ginger made the drums sing
Only 590 thumps up? So many Metalheadz and no one is investigating the true Gods of Rock? This man is four metronomes in one person!! Love it!!
Very true. Hahahha
Ginger could make pots and pans sound like a $10,000 drum kit.
I just love the sound of his drums.
Reason why Ringo is great. He says something in every Beatle song. Ginger was great.
If u listened to Ginger talking earlier, he said the drummer is there to compliment the other musicians. The drummer can actually help make the musicians play better. That is exactly Ringo’s style. Ringo was no Ginger Baker, but he understood what his job was in the Beatles. No one at the time could have been better for that particular job. Except possibly Charlie Watts.
RIP Ginger you will be missed.
The Swiss watch, of drummers.
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I will never forget the quote Ginger had about Bonham… “He couldn’t time his way out of a nut sac.” He is my favorite drummer hands down. I love his technique or whatever you call it.
or his quote about keith moon..."he couldn't swing a cat"
The skinny, ginger, argumentative tw&t would never have said that to Bonham in person.
Ginger Baker is one of the greatest and most influential drummers ever.
Too bad he was unnecessarily jealous of John Bonham
This is the most laid back, talkative and jovial I've ever seen Ginger during a demonstration/lesson/Q&A. Why couldn't he always be this nice. A truly brilliant drummer. Maybe the best...
He was nice when Jack wasn't around!!!
The best ever
He had degenerative arthritis of the spine. Probably in the early stages, here, but in his last few years he was in permanent pain. He used to say “God is keeping me alive - and in as much pain as possible - to punish me for my past deeds” I think that had a lot to do with why he was so cranky near the end.
I was thinking the same. This seems to be the perfect period where he's old enough to be experienced but not as cranky as he got a little later.
"Go on Ginge, punish those skins." We used to shout.
Few if any drummers can build a solo like Ginger.
23:12 The two minute lecture I really needed to hear.
Ginger Baker was the guy who brought me to pick-up the drumsticks seriously. I LOVE the sound of his drums and the way he applies the rudiments around the whole drum kit!
RIP Mr Baker
As a drummer playing for a very long time , 3 guys influenced me in different ways, Buddy ,Ginger ,and Billy. And i've met and seen just about every great from Bellson, to Roach ,Weckl to Chambers ,Lang to Donati , Tony to Elvin. For me the mark of a great drummer is an original fingerprint ,for certain Baker has always had his own fingerprint. With your eyes closed you can never mistake Ginger for anyone else. The first time I heard him I knew instantly that rock music and more correctly ( fusion ) melding jazz,rock and blues music would all change. This video is wonderful to me , because we hear some of Gingers thoughts and we also hear some interesting observations on why he plays what he plays. His comment about Ludwig drums and Zildjians made me smile ,because I used Ludwig drums exclusively during the 60's and 70's. I also appreciated his take on world beat rhythms, I still love the way he plays to this day. Baker raised the bar during his Cream days ,and even now brings his knowledge and creativity to any music he plays. Viva Ginger Baker!!!!
Deagledrumzz Wow, great comment! Thanx for that!!!
Ginger and Billy definitely have a style that's massive and very intense but they also knew when to lay it back and flow with the music. I hold them very high for sure!
I have concluded that the fusion genre is a fusion of funk and jazz; fusing together swing shuffle grooves and funk (also called soul) grooves. For me Ginger Baker might have time and swing but is not a funky groove drummer with soul and did not influence the development of fusion
Actually your take is wrong, fusion is 2 or more musics that are joined together. It does not matter if it's flamenco and reggae ,or reggae and latin ,or jazz and ska ,or jazz ,rock,reggae,world beat and samba. Once you fuse things together it's fusion, if funk is not in the music it still can be fusion. And if you take funk and fuse it with reggae, samba,latin etc it is also fusion.As for Baker not influencing fusion, man I suggest you understand the meaning of fusion music. Probably the most important drummer of the 60's because of what he brought to the table.
Yeah, that's why Cobham called Ginger the first fusion drummer...
This buy blows my mind. He is very talented. Ginger Baker will go down as one of the greatest drummers of all time.
Yes, it was a good buy for sure. Spell-check- it's a concept
this buy buy buy
ThE GREATEST
Gingers a pure rhythmic machine! He has a style all his own and his feeling and energy comes out of that. I always see a lot of comments that put him up against a lot of big names. I think if your actually listening to his technique and really watching him you'll understand why he's his own player!
Agreed.
Exactly Ginger is one of the greats regardless of who's techincally better
Amazing
Comparing one ARTIST to another ARTIST is like comparing "BLONDES" to "REDHEADS"
These Ludwigs sound smooth as butter
It's the drummer playing that makes a kit sound good but yes they sound awesome I agree. Biased as I own a Ludwig kit myself.
I’ve been listening to Ginger since he played with Graham Bond at the Marquee in Wardour ?Street - I seriously think his mind is wired up differently to us ordinary folk!!!!
That applies to all the greats who play any instrument. Good point.
Exactly
@David Roberts not so, heroin dulls your senses, it usually would just leave you incapable. I’ve seen Ginger play both straight and out of his head and he is just head and shoulders above any other drummer I’ve heard. This video is a perfect example - he is playing several rhythms at once. Incredible. I love. It that he intersperses his playing with talking about his early career with Graham, Dick, Jack, alexis - that’s in my days of living in London and doing all the jazz and blues clubs. Great days.
@@lizbourn4192 Right about Ginger, but Lestrum B is also right about any great musician being wired differently in their brain, drugs or no drugs
Arguably one of the best ever, so love listening to him play
Arguably so, but arguably not. I don't care for his playing, but each to her/his own taste.
why? argue about it then
This video is a jewel.If you don't believe that he is the best or you aren't turned on by his playing it all boils down to a personal opinion,which everyone is entitled to and I don't try to change anyone's cause it's not my business.I think this video is very informative and shows a very polite and courteous Ginger Baker that is always overshadowed by his genuine disdain for nonsensical interviews and interviewers with the same questions he's answered a hundred times over.I have yet to see a clip where he has disrespected anyone seeking knowledge about his craft.Let us not forget that his last 10 years or so were days of agonizing pain and illness and I truly believe battling regrets for his reckless years of carefree living and alot of poor decisions which he freely admits.Those who have fallen from the top usually hide and fall into obscurity.Not so with Mr Baker who had no problem telling the world I was broke at the time, or am currently broke.That takes humility and integrity,two words rarely seen in a Ginger Baker story.Frankly I am so sorry I missed the opportunity to get to see him play live or at the functions such as this.One of my regrets.Love ya Ginger and thank you for the music and advice.May you rest in peace.
Without a doubt. He would have told you so.
Without a doubt. He would have told you so.
RIP man. Your spirit and sound forever
the most enjoyable playing and listening drummer of any genre ever
Goodneas, what a monster on drums!
Brilliant. Baker, Billy Cobham, Ian Paice, Peart, my top four drummers of the 70's.
Great choices 😊
Ginger Baker is the Hendrix of rock drummers. When he came on the scene, he showed other rock drummers what was possible and helped open up their own potential.
incredibly underrated
No doubt. He has no predecessors.
Like Charlie Watts....he's a jazz drummer. That's why he wipes the floor with rockers
Stephen Kane underrated? 😂
This is laughable! Baker is excellent without question. However, there are many significantly better. In no way is he the Hendrix of drumming. Btw, SRV plays much cleaner and blows Hendrix away. Hendrix would say that himself. Actually, Hendrix called Terry Catz the greatest guitarist ever.
Longest time I've seen him without a cigarette dangling from his mouth!
A true drum god! Those ethnic beats are nothing short of awesome!
Buddy Rich was said to be the best technician, ever, but Ginger Baker's play is far more evocative. He takes you places. Not that I'd ever get in a car with the guy.
I personally love rythem and the drums. I play by ear and now I am beginning to understand why I loved his playing and intstinctively loved the sound of Ludwig drums and Zillgen cymbals.
When I first heard Ginger on drums with Cream, on a vinyl record in the 60's, I thought he may have had 4 arms and four legs! That was my first initial impression of him. Could one man play so many rhythms at once? The answer of course, is yes!
GB was a great & crazy guy and may be the best drummer of all time...RIP Mr.Baker
.. serious natural drummer.. a rarity these days
+finn casey-knight ain't even the word brother,
nate smith
His analysis was very good. I would have asked him about African versus Arabic rhythms. African makes your hips go forward and aft. Arabic drums make your hips move right to left. Why? Interesting. Should have asked if both bass drums are the same? What did he think of modern double pedals on one bass drum with two strikers?
MorbidManMusic Ever hear the Ginger Baker Trio-Ramblin’ ? Print out the tabs and try to play that, if I can read.... ginger could read and arrange
This is a fascinating drumming and history lesson. Thank you for sharing.
The greatest sense of timing I've ever heard. One of the top 5 jazz drummers in the world!
+Itsa Farce ????????
timpepper peters If all you can do is "????????" then you don't know about Ginger Baker!
+Itsa Farce Screwthat dude hes just another dousche bag whos trying to get a rise out of people!!!Ginger is one of the best!!!
Pay the haters & trolls no mind because none of them can do this. Talk is cheap
lets hear it.
The other 4 might be Max Roach, Elvin Jones, Tony Williams and Steve Harris
Fantastic drummer.
RIP - Drum us some lightening and thunder from above… knowing how creative Ginger Baker is, I think he might do it!
You can appreciate his African jazz influence on this, it's like the Duracell bunny hitting the drum without missing a beat, however I did see ginger drop his drum stick and played like it never happened,RIP the ginger the great, what a geezer ✌️
@DadisDad were you not loved as a child
@DadisDad so this prick had a few music lessons & thinks he's Bach,dude,stop talking shit, your embarrassing yourself 😂"I've had music lessons" I mean really 🙄
Like that he incorporates rudiments so much. Especially the paradiddle-triplet variations. Ginger is still the double-bass king.
Yes drum rudiments was the basis of his overall playing. As a young drummer in the late 60s and early 70s, it took me awhile to figure this out, but I did. Also listening to Carmine Appice was a great instructor also.
@@ufafgd I have the original Carmine Appice book as well as I attended a drum clinic conducted by Carmine Appice..a great drummer in his genre of music. I still use some of his grooves and figures taught to me by my first drum set instructor who's style was very much influenced by Carmine Appice.
Glad this was posted. As a fanatic Baker fan, this was a clinic and he demonstrated playing of which I hadn't heard on record, live, or video before.
Its like a firework of strokes when he plays
From cream on 66'-68' going forward this guy was the OG double bass master everyone else followed RIP! MR.BAKER
RIP, Ginger. There was no one like you.
this is priceless
A master musician at work.
Footwork is also amazing. Double bass original
first thing i noticed. double bass is too often, it's just 4/4 that looks awesome but is not much to listen to.
In the " heavy rock / blues " world he s an original with Carmine .
But as he said in clinic , Louie bellson , Dave Black , Sam Woodyard. ED shaughnessy and even Buddy rich at times used Double bass before Ginger .
You can hear the Max Roach, Art Blakey, Elvin Jones influences very heavy here and especially Max Roach. A very nice performance!!!
He LOVED Max's drumming. Huge influence on Baker.
Thats definitely never to be heard live again ,a truly unique 👌 approach and timely execution, I've never heard any drummer sound this way,godspeed sir
Ludwig drums sounding awesome!!
Just like Gene Krupa, Ginger was both jazz and rock and roll at the same time.
I love that drum set! Sounds amazing! Ginger doing what he does best with them. The great old Ludwig kit days.
Tssss! these are 6 ply "modular" all maple shells, nothing to do with the original 1968 three ply maple/poplar/maple /re-rings shells.
@@frankfertier34 Yeah but that's about the best I've heard those sound. I had some. They work for him.
Astonishing Ginger Baker. Ginger, Ginger, GINGER... You are BEST DRUM Ever Bar none! Thanks for all the best beats Ginger! Nothing will ever top the Astonishing Ginger Baker!!
Witnessed Ginger Baker at MI in '88 or '89. He was a little drunk as he strolled on stage with a bottle of Heineken. He jammed with Tim Bogert definitely and maybe Paul Gilbert? He had a lit cigarette hanging off his lip most of the time and at one point while playing - this left an impression - he spit the butt into the air and tapped it with a drumstick into space w/out missing a beat.
LOL, I was there; graduated PIT in '89. He was definitely drunk and a lot more sloppy than this video. For some reason I remember that he sounded kind of silly explaining to a room full of music students that if you divide a note up into three equal parts it's called a triplet. Was it Paul Gilbert or Chris Wyatt?
I also remember someone asking him if he moved to Africa because he wanted to study the drumming and his was response was no, he just wanted to live in Africa.
Ginger Baker and Tim Bogert is one hell of a combo! One of the greatest drummers and imo the greatest rock bass player playing together. Must have been nice 👍🏻
@@bartmuller7727 GINGER BAKER = one of the greatest drummers ever, NO ONE even comes close to his originality. Drunk or not drugs or not, crabby guy or not, a legendary drummer like NO one else
Master class by The master
That last solo especially is amazing. great time changes and polyrhythms against the double bass drum ostinato. lots of 3 over 4. 2 over 3.
He was the best Ginger Baker in the world
Lol Jack Bruce
I like many drummers but the best soloist I ever heard was Baker, Like Eric Clapton said Ginger had time, and was a true musician
I was there, a fantastic moment with Ginger
Amazing.
Excellent!
Amazing. thanks for that
Fabulous !!!! UP the GINGERHOOD :))
Holy shit. Not only this video, not only Ginger, but all the videos you guys have put up! I could listen all day, and I probably will. :)
I love his general attitude about music and love for it so much. I've grown up as a guitarist, but have a natural sense of time and intuition towards percussion and listening to Ginger always propels me towards pursuing drums
Absolutely amazing
Ginger sense of time is amazing I think that what makes him one of best drummer ever he makes it look so easy
luv the sound of his drums
I have LOVED GB since Childhood... his talent can do NO WRONG & ive never been a big fan of Jazz but look up Marty Grosz please. He played his ACOUSTIC guitar about a year ago at 87 & that 1 of very few who can swing jazz with that acoustic beast & make good all that jazz! Js
RIP Mr. Baker. Still my eternal idol #1
i can enjoy this without melodic instruments, and i am not a drummer
Because you can play with melodic with a drum kit
amazing
Great stuff. Splendid performance..., he really plays what he says!
"its not the notes you play - its what you say"
"It's not how fast you play, it's what you say!"
It's not how fast you play it's what you say!!
Ginger....Where to start about such a legendary artistic visionary as a drummer! AMAZING stuff!
Wonderful, insightful piece - both the playing and the stories in the middle section.
Ginger’s time is perfect. I recall an old Rolling Stone Interview where he was talking about recording in the studio with Cream. The recording engineer couldn’t believe that every take of a song came out exactly the same length of time. Like if it was 3 minutes and 10 seconds it would be the same on every take.
I thought I would just peek in on this clinic for a minute. 55 minutes later and I’m still watching. I’ve always seen Ginger Baker as a sort of enigma. It’s hard to understand all the experiences that have shaped Ginger, but between the documentary on him (Beware of Mr. Baker) and the John McLaughlin biography (Bathed in Lightning) you can sort of begin to picture how he came into his own. Phil Seamen was his hero, and Phil was known as THE English jazz drummer in the 50’s/60’s club circuit. Phil played Ginger a few African drum recordings, which forever turned Ginger in a new direction. Phil also introduced Ginger to his first shot of Heroin, the same night he played the African records...so, take what you will from that. Regardless, the man was an impeccable drummer, and that shows, considering he never practiced toward the end.
Theres a John mclaughlin documentary? and was Baker in it?
I believe it was Dicky DeVere who first supplied Ginger with heroin, apparently Phil Seaman was horrified. So it says in his autobiog…
Great musician.
Fantastic+Great Ludwig!!! ProS!!!
Never misses a beat!!
Check out 'Coward of the County' (credited to Ginger Baker and the Denver Jazz Quartet to Octet, aka DJQ2O), I would argue it was GB's finest moment on record and him playing at his peak. A great group, with compositions by Ron Miles (who also passed away recently, I believe). The CD is hard to come by but it's available to stream.
A more unusual but equally enjoyable release is 'Palanquin's Pole' by Ginger Baker's African Force, it's just him and four African percussionists in concert in 1987 (there are also some studio tracks with horns, guitar and bass overdubbed over the live drum/percussionist recordings). These tracks were reissued on CD several years ago, should be easy to find a copy or hear it on a streaming service.
One of the main reasons why i wanted to play the drums was because of this fella.
GB is great ! I’ve only taken to him lately watching his shenanigans on interviews and documentaries which fascinate me, but I’ve just realise how much of a unique and naturally gifted drummer he is, nobody can take that away from him, the JH of drums....not boring
Great drummer and a naughty crabby guy, doesn't make him a bad person like lesser people think
its not clean but thats the charm ,its like listening to Elvin playing rock
Tonally it's not clean but as far as tempo goes it's clean as fuck
His journey overland in 1971 in his range rover across the Sahara to play drums with the Nigerian drummers was truly amazing in itself as was his love of Polo which I love now after watching a game of Polo at Shogram near Tirich Mir base camp the highest mountain in the Hindu Kush. The timing like Gingers was perfect as we had no idea there was a polo match going on and watching elders on horseback charging after the guy with the goat carcass amazed us. Its traditional there and has been going on for centuries.
Great to see. Posted on my birthday before the beginning of the end (a move).
THE BEST DRUMMER EVER,,,THIS IS MASTER CLASS !!