The triple dice actually averages 16.5 rather than 15, because the average of a single 1-10 die is 5.5, not 5. This also means double die is slightly better on average than a mushroom, as mushroom is a flat 5, while an extra die is 5.5. The mushroom of course does make up for this with consistency, which some people might value over the very slight increase in average roll distance.
@ That’s a really good point, I definitely think mushrooms can be underrated a lot. That’s why mushroom tickets are actually one of my favorite items, since you get a lot of consistent movement from a single item slot.
You are right about the triple dice averaging 16.5 I think about how rolling 1 or 2 is impossible when rolling triple but didn't think it through since rolls are pretty varied 3-30. You overlooked that mushrooms are a +5 modifier on top of the regular die, not a flat 5. A guaranteed 6. They would average 10.5. Thinking about it more, double dice average would average 11? So you're right it could be better but the consistency.
huh. really interesting! i never considered how many spaces it took to get between item shops would alter how competitively viable a board would be but it makes sense. you’ve given me a different way to look at these boards :)
So for me, I find Jamboree to be the most fun I’ve had with Mario Party game in a long time. I think if you’re talking competitive strategic play Superstars could be the better option, but as someone who has been playing nearly daily with friends and/or family, I find Jamboree be more exciting and dynamic.
Jamboree is great! You’re right Superstars has great competitive viability. I see jamboree only adding on to that rotation of competitive Mario Party. Pro mode rainbow galleria adds something unique not seen in other Mario Party too through its mind games.
It's sad that every Mario party game in many years now has broken economy where everybody is flooded with coins. The games would be so much better if coins were hard to get.
agreed. in the older mario party for N64 and gamecube geting coins was not easy there was no lucky spaces or geting paid for going around the map. now today its to easy to get coins. even if someone is bad at mini games and never wins can even be rich from lucky spaces. but they did that because they want everyone to have fun because it is a family game. in mario party 6 the spinny orb was a big deal if you lose 10 coins. in this game the coin trap loseing 10 coins is not even a big deal. you can get that money back easy.
Good perspective! I knew there was something I didn't like about Jamboree outside of how slow the pace is but I couldn't put my finger on it... it's how less common buying items is on a lot of the boards. I think a lot of these boards would benefit from either another item shop, or even just one of those spaces you could pass that always give out a random item (like in Mario Party 6, 7, and 8). The later solution would still lead to coins being in abundance but at least there'd be more item play. Maybe if minigames only rewarded the player in first like the HudsonSoft entries...
A really cool video i saw it once on my homepage and accidentally clicked off the video after that i searched for 2 days in order to find it again and I finally did, did not disappoint
Rainbow Galleria feels like a really great map, but I agree that it needs one more passable shop, or a regular Kamek shop. By making it a one coin shop, they limited the items they were able to put. It can be a drag to have hundreds of coins but struggle to spend them. I also think the 2x price multiplier is pretty bad, and would really benefit if you were able to effect ALL players for 1 turn
I thank you for putting timestamps in the description, but if you change the first one to 0:00 or add another section that starts at 0:00 then the sections will appear on the video progress bar!
Its funny that with most games in general, the more competitive you get the more your opinions will differ. Your list is like a mirrored version of the general discourse for the game. I definitely think that one of my main problems with these boards is that I generally play low turn games which really limits how much of the board I get to experience.
I don't know much about the Mario Party meta is it's cool to see how you think about playing these boards! By the way, galleria rhymes with ballerina :)
I do not. May be worth another deep dive video but essentially: Horror Land has short term and long term play. You need to plan around the day and night cycle Space Land you have a fast way to spend coins through the skeleton key/boo loop and you can manipulate the game state through happening spaces and custom dice. This board does have a no man’s land tho. Woodsy Woods the unpredictable changing signs can make it difficult to plan ahead. It would be fine but the item shops are so far apart it makes it difficult to slow yourself down or speed yourself up. It makes you want to hold on to your items until you get to the loop with the item shop on the lower left or until the star is obtainable.
I'm sorry but this is is trash knowing that roll em Raceway has the highest rank. Its very dull and very dumb to lose a star when the boo space is easy enough to reach
I personally hate roll em raceway. Between the happenings, turbo dice, and the other players fucking me over, i feel like i miss all or most board events (shop, star, boo, pit stop) and just end up rolling my single dice with no items on a linear board, destined to end the game with 0-2 stars max for each player. Not enjoyable in my eyes
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I know a lot of people hate this board. It feels really bad landing on the happening space right before the shop at the beginning of the game. The first lap of the board can play slow but after you start item chaining it feels like peak Mario Party for me. You can avoid buying turbo dice and buy triple dice instead but it may still somehow end up in your inventory through jamboree buddies or at the pit stop at which point you have to think about how greedy you want to be. You can try to save your items to avoid landing on those happening spaces. The theme of this board turned me away at first since it is generic, I didn't come in with a bias of wanting to like it. However, the more I played it the more I learned about it's depth especially with the right jamboree buddies at 30 turn games. We all have our favorites tho and if we were playing together I'd be willing to play something we can agree on.
I have a question about Roll 'em Raceway that I've had really bad luck trying to test, but maybe someone here knows? Turbo dice stop you from claiming your coins from koopa for finishing a lap, but does crossing the line still increase how many coins you'll get the next time?
i think superstars is probably a more strategic/skill based game, but jamboree is definitely more chaotic and wacky basically i play jamboree for boards (since i like almost every board in jamboree) and superstars for minigames and stuff
In the beginning Rainbow Galleria was my favorite board, but after playing 30 turns on Roll'em Raceway, I changed my mind. Now I glad to see I am not the only one to find Roll'em Raceway amazing. It's crazy given that, at first glance, it's a simple linear board. However I would say it should be played with 30 turns. Pro mode with 12 turns feels too short for this board.
Roll'em Raceway seems like a mixed bag in the community but I don't blame them. The theme is unoriginal and the layout seems more simple than mario's at first. The more you play the more you learn about the board, especially with the different jamboree buddies. You put it better than I did in the video, 30 turns is better than pro mode on this board but this game's pace is so slow I bet most people are scared to even try it. We gotta stick together! 🤣
@@awesomeaustenkittyI’ve heard of horror stories. People getting stuck in that bowser loop for 10 turns+ it’s so sad because this board has some good layout design otherwise. I really wanted to like this board. 😢
Yes I will be making more videos! Thanks for taking the time to hear me out. I have a video in the works and a couple of ideas lined up. Thanks for your support 😃
Apologies I should have added more of my thoughts! pro mode lucky spaces give you a choice between double dice and coins whenever you land on them. The farming loops makes that aspect of pro mode particularly pronounced. I think it speeds up the board overall. Can’t farm gold pipes -can be good or bad cuz it does take some planning to be able to do that on this board. The lack of tide shells from shops in pro mode is odd. Pick your poison. 😮
Yeah I can but I really don’t think the boards change too much. Wigger’s becomes a little better in pro mode because it prevents people from farming the gold pipes (second half of game gold pipes are in stock and that first loop is ~14 spaces, 10 coin koopa helps create this problem) but I would still rather play Mario’s rainbow castle over any version of wiggler’s if that makes sense.
Superstars has better mini games. Jamboree has better graphics and board looks. I wish they just ported over the mini games plus new ones. And rainbow galleria is A+ or S ranked board roll em raceways is sooo good too.
Just some random things I want to say about this game, because I don't get to talk about it much. Chance time is really broken in this game at a high level, you can time the first two dice blocks ensuring you're able to receive a certain thing from a random player, if you're good enough. I like throwing down hexes on spaces such as item spaces and lucky space, because they're the most likely to be custom dice block'd to, and will allow you to pressure an opponent not to receive that benefit. I know it's what everyone is saying, but I really wish you could turn off the jamboree buddies, they're a huge slog for pacing and are a bit too random to be fun. Especially for the minigames you have no shot at winning if a good player gets the advantage, like Luigi's, Rosalina's and Yoshi's. The choice to add skeleton key doors to bowser's keep is very strange to me, both of them are really weak imo. Otherwise the map is super fun for it's insanity. Definitely good in a casual setting. I really enjoy rainbow galleria as a more casual player, since it's just really fun, even if it's sort of random. I wish there was one more functional item shop though, maybe on the third floor near the green stamp? I think it'd make the board so much better. The price modifiers on the board also just don't matter that much. I mostly agree with the goomba lagoon rating, it's really interesting. People just don't know how to counter the gimmick, since it requires some smart item play. It can feel pretty bad to be stuck on the island loops sometimes, which drags it down, but the decision making is great here. Roll em raceway at #1 is really shocking to me, but I do see how the item play is very complex. It definitely fully allows you to take advantage of the bloated economy. My ranking: #7: Mario's Rainbow Castle #6: Wiggler's Tree Party #5: Roll-em Raceway #4: King Bowser's Keep #3: Goomba Lagoon #2: Rainbow Galleria #1: Western Land Great video! I did a lot of yapping in this comment bc I just enjoy talking about it, but I'm definitely subbing if more stuff like this is coming :)
Getting good at chance time is something you want to do if you want your friends to hate you hahaha. I will get good at it and I will share my findings. Goomba lagoon should be respected, you really do have to be smart on that board. Roll'em raceway especially works if you have the jamboree buddies I mentioned in play. For example, you can use DK to boost you after you pass one of the four passable spaces of the board. Yoshi can get you to use turbo dice even if you don't want to buy them. You can use custom dice to use boo 4 times in two turns through the happening spaces if you are well positioned with a buddy. There is other unique decisions like that on this board. But 'ey we all got our own favorites 🙂
I think pro mode Rainbow Galleria's custom dice vs general movement mind game is really worth trying out since it doesn't exist in any other Mario Party. Superstars Horror Land is worth playing AT LEAST every year 😆
The triple dice actually averages 16.5 rather than 15, because the average of a single 1-10 die is 5.5, not 5.
This also means double die is slightly better on average than a mushroom, as mushroom is a flat 5, while an extra die is 5.5. The mushroom of course does make up for this with consistency, which some people might value over the very slight increase in average roll distance.
@ That’s a really good point, I definitely think mushrooms can be underrated a lot. That’s why mushroom tickets are actually one of my favorite items, since you get a lot of consistent movement from a single item slot.
You are right about the triple dice averaging 16.5 I think about how rolling 1 or 2 is impossible when rolling triple but didn't think it through since rolls are pretty varied 3-30.
You overlooked that mushrooms are a +5 modifier on top of the regular die, not a flat 5. A guaranteed 6. They would average 10.5. Thinking about it more, double dice average would average 11? So you're right it could be better but the consistency.
huh. really interesting! i never considered how many spaces it took to get between item shops would alter how competitively viable a board would be but it makes sense. you’ve given me a different way to look at these boards :)
Thank you for hearing me out! I'm glad to be able to offer a different perspective 🙂
So for me, I find Jamboree to be the most fun I’ve had with Mario Party game in a long time. I think if you’re talking competitive strategic play Superstars could be the better option, but as someone who has been playing nearly daily with friends and/or family, I find Jamboree be more exciting and dynamic.
Jamboree is great! You’re right Superstars has great competitive viability. I see jamboree only adding on to that rotation of competitive Mario Party. Pro mode rainbow galleria adds something unique not seen in other Mario Party too through its mind games.
It's sad that every Mario party game in many years now has broken economy where everybody is flooded with coins.
The games would be so much better if coins were hard to get.
agreed. in the older mario party for N64 and gamecube geting coins was not easy there was no lucky spaces or geting paid for going around the map. now today its to easy to get coins. even if someone is bad at mini games and never wins can even be rich from lucky spaces. but they did that because they want everyone to have fun because it is a family game. in mario party 6 the spinny orb was a big deal if you lose 10 coins. in this game the coin trap loseing 10 coins is not even a big deal. you can get that money back easy.
either that or the economy Is adjusted for inflation
Good perspective! I knew there was something I didn't like about Jamboree outside of how slow the pace is but I couldn't put my finger on it... it's how less common buying items is on a lot of the boards. I think a lot of these boards would benefit from either another item shop, or even just one of those spaces you could pass that always give out a random item (like in Mario Party 6, 7, and 8). The later solution would still lead to coins being in abundance but at least there'd be more item play. Maybe if minigames only rewarded the player in first like the HudsonSoft entries...
A really cool video i saw it once on my homepage and accidentally clicked off the video after that i searched for 2 days in order to find it again and I finally did, did not disappoint
Thanks for listening! I’m glad you enjoyed it! 😆
yeah now i understand why people say YT search system is beyond garbage, i only re-found this only when searching on my liked videos
Rainbow Galleria feels like a really great map, but I agree that it needs one more passable shop, or a regular Kamek shop. By making it a one coin shop, they limited the items they were able to put. It can be a drag to have hundreds of coins but struggle to spend them. I also think the 2x price multiplier is pretty bad, and would really benefit if you were able to effect ALL players for 1 turn
Is this optimal?
Space land a tier? Man I hated that map
Ah yes, Goomba Lagoon
Where i can spend half the game on half of the board left to spin in circles for a turn and a half
Great design
I've had a rocky relationship with that board (no pun intended)
I thank you for putting timestamps in the description, but if you change the first one to 0:00 or add another section that starts at 0:00 then the sections will appear on the video progress bar!
I added youtube chapters to the video thank you!
this will do very well against the cpus and my family
100th sub! you need more subs! looking forward to what else you put out!
Its funny that with most games in general, the more competitive you get the more your opinions will differ. Your list is like a mirrored version of the general discourse for the game. I definitely think that one of my main problems with these boards is that I generally play low turn games which really limits how much of the board I get to experience.
I don't know much about the Mario Party meta is it's cool to see how you think about playing these boards! By the way, galleria rhymes with ballerina :)
Do you have a video on your initial rankings of the MPS boards? I 100% agree with your placements but I'm curious on your thoughts.
I do not. May be worth another deep dive video but essentially:
Horror Land has short term and long term play. You need to plan around the day and night cycle
Space Land you have a fast way to spend coins through the skeleton key/boo loop and you can manipulate the game state through happening spaces and custom dice. This board does have a no man’s land tho.
Woodsy Woods the unpredictable changing signs can make it difficult to plan ahead. It would be fine but the item shops are so far apart it makes it difficult to slow yourself down or speed yourself up. It makes you want to hold on to your items until you get to the loop with the item shop on the lower left or until the star is obtainable.
I'm sorry but this is is trash knowing that roll em Raceway has the highest rank. Its very dull and very dumb to lose a star when the boo space is easy enough to reach
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Hey, I’m your 50th subscriber! This is very high quality content, and you deserve more subscribers!
I appreciate the support and kind words! Thank you.
Good content, and analysis of the choices. However the pacing is a bit slow due to the pauses between sentences
I appreciate the input. I know the quality of this video is improves as it goes on. I was talking fast on the racetrack board hahaha.
I personally hate roll em raceway. Between the happenings, turbo dice, and the other players fucking me over, i feel like i miss all or most board events (shop, star, boo, pit stop) and just end up rolling my single dice with no items on a linear board, destined to end the game with 0-2 stars max for each player. Not enjoyable in my eyes
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I know a lot of people hate this board. It feels really bad landing on the happening space right before the shop at the beginning of the game. The first lap of the board can play slow but after you start item chaining it feels like peak Mario Party for me. You can avoid buying turbo dice and buy triple dice instead but it may still somehow end up in your inventory through jamboree buddies or at the pit stop at which point you have to think about how greedy you want to be. You can try to save your items to avoid landing on those happening spaces. The theme of this board turned me away at first since it is generic, I didn't come in with a bias of wanting to like it. However, the more I played it the more I learned about it's depth especially with the right jamboree buddies at 30 turn games. We all have our favorites tho and if we were playing together I'd be willing to play something we can agree on.
I have a question about Roll 'em Raceway that I've had really bad luck trying to test, but maybe someone here knows? Turbo dice stop you from claiming your coins from koopa for finishing a lap, but does crossing the line still increase how many coins you'll get the next time?
Yes, it does count as a lap even if you use Turbo Dice. Your coin bonus will increase the next time you speak with Koopa.
What sites, social media accounts, channels, etc. can I visit to learn more competitive analysis for this game?
i think superstars is probably a more strategic/skill based game, but jamboree is definitely more chaotic and wacky
basically i play jamboree for boards (since i like almost every board in jamboree) and superstars for minigames and stuff
In the beginning Rainbow Galleria was my favorite board, but after playing 30 turns on Roll'em Raceway, I changed my mind. Now I glad to see I am not the only one to find Roll'em Raceway amazing. It's crazy given that, at first glance, it's a simple linear board. However I would say it should be played with 30 turns. Pro mode with 12 turns feels too short for this board.
Roll'em Raceway seems like a mixed bag in the community but I don't blame them. The theme is unoriginal and the layout seems more simple than mario's at first. The more you play the more you learn about the board, especially with the different jamboree buddies. You put it better than I did in the video, 30 turns is better than pro mode on this board but this game's pace is so slow I bet most people are scared to even try it. We gotta stick together! 🤣
@@Kenithoas someone who only waited to do a 30 turn casual game of Bowser’s keep BLIND with no prior knowledge
Freaking Hell
WHAT WAS I THINKIIIIIING
@@awesomeaustenkittyI’ve heard of horror stories. People getting stuck in that bowser loop for 10 turns+ it’s so sad because this board has some good layout design otherwise. I really wanted to like this board. 😢
Learn to time chance time and it goes from a "risk" to an opportunity
Forbidden tech? Timing chance time does have its roots all the way back from the first Mario Party. I think I'll take a serious look at that. Thanks!
@Kenitho hey no problem
I’ve only ever seen the Wiggler get angry when it moves and someone is on it? Is this coincidence or can it happen without someone on him?
nice video. will you be making more videos? i subbed
Yes I will be making more videos! Thanks for taking the time to hear me out. I have a video in the works and a couple of ideas lined up. Thanks for your support 😃
Why do you say the goomba board is the same pro mode when you say longer games are better on it?
Apologies I should have added more of my thoughts! pro mode lucky spaces give you a choice between double dice and coins whenever you land on them. The farming loops makes that aspect of pro mode particularly pronounced. I think it speeds up the board overall. Can’t farm gold pipes -can be good or bad cuz it does take some planning to be able to do that on this board. The lack of tide shells from shops in pro mode is odd. Pick your poison. 😮
Can you do a ranking of all the boards with pro rules?
Yeah I can but I really don’t think the boards change too much. Wigger’s becomes a little better in pro mode because it prevents people from farming the gold pipes (second half of game gold pipes are in stock and that first loop is ~14 spaces, 10 coin koopa helps create this problem) but I would still rather play Mario’s rainbow castle over any version of wiggler’s if that makes sense.
Broi been on da grind 🗣️🔥👀
Good vid :)
I love your videos. ❤❤❤
Superstars has better mini games. Jamboree has better graphics and board looks. I wish they just ported over the mini games plus new ones. And rainbow galleria is A+ or S ranked board roll em raceways is sooo good too.
Superstars mini games were much better. A lot of people are hoping they just port the mini games from the other modes in jamboree over 😅
Nogla is probably gonna watch this
Just some random things I want to say about this game, because I don't get to talk about it much.
Chance time is really broken in this game at a high level, you can time the first two dice blocks ensuring you're able to receive a certain thing from a random player, if you're good enough.
I like throwing down hexes on spaces such as item spaces and lucky space, because they're the most likely to be custom dice block'd to, and will allow you to pressure an opponent not to receive that benefit.
I know it's what everyone is saying, but I really wish you could turn off the jamboree buddies, they're a huge slog for pacing and are a bit too random to be fun. Especially for the minigames you have no shot at winning if a good player gets the advantage, like Luigi's, Rosalina's and Yoshi's.
The choice to add skeleton key doors to bowser's keep is very strange to me, both of them are really weak imo. Otherwise the map is super fun for it's insanity. Definitely good in a casual setting.
I really enjoy rainbow galleria as a more casual player, since it's just really fun, even if it's sort of random. I wish there was one more functional item shop though, maybe on the third floor near the green stamp? I think it'd make the board so much better. The price modifiers on the board also just don't matter that much.
I mostly agree with the goomba lagoon rating, it's really interesting. People just don't know how to counter the gimmick, since it requires some smart item play. It can feel pretty bad to be stuck on the island loops sometimes, which drags it down, but the decision making is great here.
Roll em raceway at #1 is really shocking to me, but I do see how the item play is very complex. It definitely fully allows you to take advantage of the bloated economy.
My ranking:
#7: Mario's Rainbow Castle
#6: Wiggler's Tree Party
#5: Roll-em Raceway
#4: King Bowser's Keep
#3: Goomba Lagoon
#2: Rainbow Galleria
#1: Western Land
Great video! I did a lot of yapping in this comment bc I just enjoy talking about it, but I'm definitely subbing if more stuff like this is coming :)
Getting good at chance time is something you want to do if you want your friends to hate you hahaha. I will get good at it and I will share my findings. Goomba lagoon should be respected, you really do have to be smart on that board. Roll'em raceway especially works if you have the jamboree buddies I mentioned in play. For example, you can use DK to boost you after you pass one of the four passable spaces of the board. Yoshi can get you to use turbo dice even if you don't want to buy them. You can use custom dice to use boo 4 times in two turns through the happening spaces if you are well positioned with a buddy. There is other unique decisions like that on this board. But 'ey we all got our own favorites 🙂
Let’s be opps? ❤
Conclusion: Just play Superstars
I think pro mode Rainbow Galleria's custom dice vs general movement mind game is really worth trying out since it doesn't exist in any other Mario Party. Superstars Horror Land is worth playing AT LEAST every year 😆
Goomba lagoon is :(