The fact that MSund12 may just be a boring login name she's kept since the Golden Age like it's an AOL email address is a pretty good curve ball if you ask me.
Thanks for this vid as always. They always make me think a bit deeper about the lore. Had a few thoughts and comments as I watched this this. MSund12 was probably still originally one of the Maya Vex copies. The latest lore entry makes it clear Maya was too busy trying to keep her sense of self while MSund12 was fighting off the Red and Shadow Legions hack attempts on Nessus. I think it was Ikora who commented on the possibility of the Conductor being an amalgam of copies and/or Maya herself before the reveal. That theory feels like it has slightly more weight with both lore entries you read out here since its likely most of the numbers rushing towards the Echo were Ishtar Collective copies. The latest lore entry gives a pretty decent perspective as well to why Maya is so broken as everything she went through was seemingly just moments for her when in reality hundreds of years had passed. That sense of lost time is crazy. Even if Chioma was somehow alive I think it would have broken Maya. You also made a mistake with Lakshmi. Maybe you just meant the second version with Maya's imprint, but the original was made before Neomuna and was someone Maya knew even before they became an Exo. Anyways I think it will be too late for Maya. All of this feels like its heading towards a darker direction with all the horror aspects in the story and lore.
17:20 saint was able to let go of the fear of losing himself, he shared himself with his relative and became himself expanded and understands all versions are you but you are what you share with. So he let go of his identity but found that he got to keep it and see something beyond. Maya is lost.
lucky him. i wouldnt trust my other selfs if the shared experiences would be only slightly off. too risky without knowing the context of the different experiences. maya was right to stay true to the one self she truly knows but dying (or like even before through the veil) messed her up good.
@@difficiliscarere9838 she believes in singulars or good and evil or identity. Saint understands beyond a singular identity. This Maya may be the original but by denying the rest she has become a queen of lies. I see her as believing in a one true universe but misunderstands that all universes share. We can see and share our mind and our own body is a bridge for things to share through. We share with it and it shares back as us. So we don’t deny but understand so we find our own reflection and not just jump and mess up by predicting too far and missing what lies between or by denying and boxing ourselves in. Maya has boxed herself in and it keeps her from her goal. If she shared herself with the mayas then maybe she could find the potential by becoming. It’s like worrying and believing she’s lost has made her lost by chasing it without being able to let go or change.
I watch your videos from somewhat 2016 or 2017. I played D1 since day one and my understanding of the language improved significantly thanks to you. Thank you Byf for letting me wander in the universe I still keep close to my heart. I'm looking forward to explore your new projects, I believe your talent will grow stronger with each new universe you tackle. Godspeed lore daddy
On the lore this episode,could the "NON-WORM" sleeping in the vex network be what actually escaped the garden and made the Vex by feeding nutrients into the radiolaria?
The part that sticks with me from those two lore entries is the other entities in the Vex net that were trying for the Echo. One sounds A LOT like an Osiris echo; one is trying to reach Elise; and the "Not-Worm" is just a big old question mark. I know Byf has covered these before and they might just be the story team having some fun with us...but you never know what we'll find out there.
I really wish this story was better. Everyone knew Maya was the conductor, the hints were everywhere in Final Shape, I wish we'd gotten to see her as the conductor by the end of act 1 and really see how she's influenced the vex across acts 2 and 3, but like always, minus maybe Savathun, the villains off somewhere doing something thats probably bad but we don't know because for whatever reason we never get to see any of the villains in this game and instead have to read about them for a whole season until the last two weeks where the story ramps from like a 20 to 200 to get things over with.
Maya became an Exo because it was easy for Bungie to reuse a color-scheme destroying faceplate they already had for her voice than make a New Unique one obviously! But fr, I think the Conductor is a Compund being just like the last being made through the Veil, the Witness. The Conductor is an Amalgamation of Multiple Simulated Mayas with the famous Msund-12 being the Prime consciousness. This may be why she has such disdain for “copies or Facimiles” due to being a Combined minds of Multiple Mayas with different Simulated Memories, she is virtually Unique, it’s it’s also why she will never find her “Perfect” Chioma Essei. It’s likely that Maya doesn’t know she is a Compound Being, which is why she thinks she can find a Chioma that “matches” her memories- they don’t exist. Video starts at: 18:15
I would love to see a long project similar to your "origins to present shadowkeep" etc videos for warframe! A high quality totality lore video would be very useful and fun to watch, and could help make a good breakthrough back into covering the game ^^ Looking forward to whatever you work on going forward!
12 could be the number of tries it took Rasputin to find the "real" Maya and her group when they were being simulated by that captured vex, maybe any after or before 12 could be the simulated copies.
Ive said this for years but this season, Or episode if you will makes it stand out. Guardians aren't utilizing the full extent of their powers. We cant be. Now that we have acess to both light and dark simultaneously we should be more akin to Maras Tecuens. With the power of the echo maya was able to form herself from the vex network. It makes me wonder what else can be accomplished when memory and matter combine.
isnt it ironic though that maya knows chioma so well that she is correct that chioma actually went into the vex netowrok looking for maya. Except chioma is also doing the same thing as maya they are looking for the version of their partner that made different decisions. chioma looking for a less consumed maya and a maya looking for a chioma that would stand by her
Hey Byf have you ever heard of Star Wars the Old Republic? It's an older game but still has new content coming out and it has huge amounts of lore. It would be great if you would consider it for a future project. I know you are a huge Star Wars fan and this game is just full of lore from the old republic era. It has things like the old sith lords, the discovery of hyperspace, some of the first conflicts with the Mandalorians, etc. All the lore is also available in the game via a codex.
might not be a super active game, but i've always wanted you to cover GTFO. There's surpisingly little lore videos about it that go through it all. I dont know how MUCH lore there actually is to draw from, but I think it would be a worthwhite endevior check.
Excited to see you cover warhammer 40k! Some other deep lore games might be Soul Reaver (just got a graphic novel), Bioshock (or the new game Judas when that arrives), or Halo of course :)
If you’re looking for lore, I think cod black ops zombies might be a good one to do, we don’t have many lore guys in the space and although it’s much different from destiny I think you’d fit right in
I am soo READY for you to cover lore on Space Marine. Warhammer in general is just so rich. Also I did want you to go back to like the ecology breakdown you did for Monster Hunter. Should be a fun one for Wilds giving how Capcom is really pushing to expand the ecology of MH.
Knew you were going to say Space Marine 2 soon as you said new games 😁 Look forward to it. Loved your Doom content, and a new game coming, and obviously Mass Effect at some point, that would be good. Love the lore, and look forward to other games you will cover, especially 40k 😁
I would love to see Halo Lore. Its hard to keep up with the story and what all is cannon. You make things easy to understand and make it digestible lol
Wait, if Maya was able to enter the Veil, then through the Veil enter the Vex Network, does that mean The Vex are always connected to the Veil or that this was possible through paracausal power like when the Guardian entered the Vex Network in Splicer Season? Also, if the Vex are naturally connected to the Veil, how come they can’t use that connection to simulate Paracausality?
I’m pretty sure they’re not connected to the veil, otherwise they wouldn’t be on Neomuna and constantly trying to hack into the cloud arch which is connected to it. It was probably unplugged from the vex net when Maya disappeared, or there was a digital airlock system in place.
@@blackbeltgamer98fire-spitt96 I think that the Veil is always connected to the Vex net because the Network is basically the entirety of the vex consciousness, and the Veil is an artifact of darkness (THE artifact of Darkness) which represents the domain of the mind. The Veil should in theory be connected to all minds in the universe, or at least be able to connect with them. And since it's paracausal maybe the Vax can't interact with it.
I believe this is mentioned in thr strike as thsts how the taken are trying to get to the cloudark system (which is connected to the veil) through the vexnet. I believe thst while there is a connection, it is "guarded" or masked between the cloudark/vexnet As for why the vex aren't paracausal/simulate paracausality, I believe thats more of a "them" thing. Like try introducing the fact thst you csn just break the otherwise unbreakable rules of the universe to a robot. Could they even comprehend that? To pull an example from humans, (this is from top gear/grand tour) one guy is asking "what if you get high/drunk and go driving/go driving without your license?" And the second guy goes "no you cannot do that it is against the rules" and was very adamant about that. The vex are essentially that second guy
I think it is less that the vex are connected to the veil than that the veil is connected to everything and all thinking consiousness. From the lore around the catalyst for quicksilver storm we know that some quantum effects are connected to strand. Furthermore the duality between void and strand we see that void creates the distance between particles and strand govern non local interactions between distant objects. So Maya used the Veil to telepathically connect to the shared mind/simulation of the vex and since the network has shared and available server space it is possible to enter it unlike a human brain that is occupied by it's single consiousnes. So Mayas mind entered or fell into the vex network while her mind was moving around the universe through the Veils conection to everything.
SM2?! oh HELL YEAH, fuck yeah even. but like someone else suggested, maybe going into the Halo lore would be pretty cool! It would certainly be cool to see what kind of Halo projects you could conjure
Great video as always my man. As for your question of other stuff to look into, would be nice to see your take on Warhammer 40k or Fantasy would be nice (You're going to look into Space marine 2 which is nice) Saw you saying something about Dragon Age Lore which got me excited. DnD is also an option and maybe some Dragon's Dogma? Whatever you go with I'm hyped to see.
I'd actually love for him to do comparisons between the Chapters and what we can learn from how they see the world. The world of 40k does contain some uncomfortable topics to consider when it isn't just a fight for survival, like how the chapters trade axioms and those same axioms often create rifts between them.
Byf one game lore you could cover is Path Of Exile it’s a 100% honest to god free to play game and I think the lore in that game is really rich. Also the sequel is coming out near the end of the year
Ashermeir didn't lose himself in the VexNet. He's still in there driving Brakion mad as the Mind tries to find and eliminate him. A task Brakion is doomed to repeat for eternity.
I should also note it's just as likely (And probably will be the case) that Maya is being played by the Vex. Remember, the Vex *want* a future where they and they alone are the supreme entity. Mayas plan to infect everyone with radiolaria and turn them into Vex only helps them in that goal. Kind of sad that this is the sort of derivative storytelling they've fallen to.
As for other game lore; Maybe Mass Effect? Only asking as I just finished the trilogy for the first time 2 weeks ago and would love some more lore on it.
When did we lose Asher Mir? When he found the info on the Veil but wasn't able to deliver it to us? Also, wasn't Insight Terminus part of the base game?
Mithrax said something along the lines that he couldn't hear Asher anymore, implying that he dissolved into the network having finished his purpose in delivering us the data.
I know this won't happen but Byf trying to cover the mess that is Fnaf lore would be amusing. At the very least would love to see this as an April Fools of some kind at some point.
I think the Chioma we heard in the recordings, either died to the Vex, and didn’t join the network, or she did go into the network, and searched for Maya. But was shortly subsumed by the Vex. Either way, because of Maya, Chioma lost the will to go on. Love can border on obsession, Maya is a prime example.
Her last entry does talk about going into the network to find Maya. I wonder if she had the same fortitude to survive. Personally, I hope we find her and she tells Maya to knock it off.
@@justcallmeness Maybe. For me, her last entry seemed vague. But, it still may be a challenge to find *that* particular Chioma, among hundreds of copies. Considering how broken down, and at a loss she was, I feel Chioma *would* slap the shit out of Maya. Worst thing she could say? “You’re JUST like Clovis”! With how deeply she hated Clovis, Chioma telling her she’s no different, would be a knife through the heart.
I just wanted to note to you that Conductor is still a copy. Every exo that exist IS a copy of the original. The Conductor is ironically the original copy of the real Maya that died on Neomuna. Not any of the 227, which you are right about. For anyone that doesnt know much lore about the Exo, Elsie Bray's lorebooks, tied with Clovis's is all about Exo, Vex, and Clarity. There is a reason Clovis has 2 versions of himself. That is why the ExoHead in Deep Stone refers to itself as confidential Intelligence and quote "I am an exact replica of Clovis I's consciousness". The same goes for every exo. If you have played Cyberpunk, then you must know about Soulkiller. Well, the exact same thing happens in Destiny with exos. The original Elsie was terminally ill. So when she "became" an exo, she was basically soulkilled and Clovis kept a few backups of her consciousness to boot up in case one of her exos was destroyed. Which, it has happened. Point being: The Conductor is THE closest/approximate version of Maya when she died in that chair on Neomuna. The other 227 copies wouldve been doing whatever they were doing at that point and wouldnt have had a mind for torturing clovis or any of the events that happened under Msund12. So when she says is an architype a facsimile, she wouldnt recognize that she is ALSO a copy and NOT the original. But what does make her original is that, again, she isnt anything like the 227 and just the continuation of the original Maya that died on Neomuna. Sorry t=for the long lore. I just wanted to make clear about what she really as an exo.
@cl4-tpgaming they have a tendency to make generic posts on everything, this one in particular is using a script of a copy paste comment. They use it for engagement mainly or spam links. Better to report and move on.
Wait a minute, there's a log where Chioma says she's going to merge with the Vex before her death to try and find Maya. So Chioma IS in there somewhere!
What I’m more curious about, is why “Maya” is a familiar name to Cayde. My guess: there is a lore tab in which a female scientist, likely Maya, leaves a message for Clovis with her resignation. She tells him off and states she will report his inhumane experiments to the board. And he will be shut down. She leaves. Cayde was one of the subjects that were forced/volunteered for the Exo program. Perhaps he knew Maya from her time on Europa? It’s ironic how much she parallels Clovis: manipulated by a higher power, used as a pawn but never realizes it, and dies to hubris only to come back lost to madness.
Hi byf. I know you asked for different games to do the lore for and whatever you do will be great. I know what I am about to ask is a big task, but the game that I would say would be DnD lore. I know that is a big ask, but I would imagine you would be great for doing lore within the world of DnD.
I don't think MSund-12 is the original Maya that entered the vexnet through the veil. I think given the lore the copies of Chioma and Maya give us in the mission and esp the noting of a number of Maya copies going missing, presumably during a state "Sunderesh Incident" that the Conductor is the Original Maya, AND the copy MSund-12 AND many other copies of Maya that were absorbed or possibly joined of their own will into the consciousness that is the Conductor, not dissimilar to the witness expect all its minds are Maya Sunderesh. It might not even be impossible that Laksmi-2 is also part of that joined consciousness, though the lore book explains already WHY Maya picked Laksmi as an appearance.
I mean if you're looking to cover lore of other games, yeah Dragon Age like you said would be cool. Perhaps Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Halo, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Cyberpunk 2077, DOOM, Devil May Cry, or Gears Of War could be good ones to do too.
Great video. When it comes to your question, if you went back to doing some Warframe videos would be cool. I know it can be difficult to balance different live service games.
Even as destiny declines your community has you're back on whatever future plans/content you have for your channel. I've been with this channel since d1 and ill stick with it throughout.
If you are considering the dragon age saga you should start from the beginning. In terms of other lore universes to cover, I think Mass Effect us a much better fit and it will give you plenty of content. Monster hunter is definetly the top choice, but sadly we are still a while away from Wilds. Maybe a commentatore short seire on Monhan worlds to kick things off? The game is still massively popular
The fact that MSund12 may just be a boring login name she's kept since the Golden Age like it's an AOL email address is a pretty good curve ball if you ask me.
Maybe just her grade school computer lab username she kept: MSund12 = Maya Sundaresh (Class of XX12)
@@s_t_r_a_y_e_dor birth year 2X12?
Honestly going back and covering old Halo Story & Lore would be super interesting!
This whole Bungie ship is cooked. Plus there's too many books
@@LUCKY1i1K7NGno such thing
No it wouldn't
@@LUCKY1i1K7NGit’s positive people like you that keep the world going
@@ljpr360 hell yea man, I read the halo reach novel and it was great. There’s a lot of lore outside the games that I would love to hear in Byf’s voice
Byf doing Space Marine? Oh that's something I can't wait to see!
Thanks for this vid as always. They always make me think a bit deeper about the lore. Had a few thoughts and comments as I watched this this.
MSund12 was probably still originally one of the Maya Vex copies. The latest lore entry makes it clear Maya was too busy trying to keep her sense of self while MSund12 was fighting off the Red and Shadow Legions hack attempts on Nessus. I think it was Ikora who commented on the possibility of the Conductor being an amalgam of copies and/or Maya herself before the reveal. That theory feels like it has slightly more weight with both lore entries you read out here since its likely most of the numbers rushing towards the Echo were Ishtar Collective copies.
The latest lore entry gives a pretty decent perspective as well to why Maya is so broken as everything she went through was seemingly just moments for her when in reality hundreds of years had passed. That sense of lost time is crazy. Even if Chioma was somehow alive I think it would have broken Maya.
You also made a mistake with Lakshmi. Maybe you just meant the second version with Maya's imprint, but the original was made before Neomuna and was someone Maya knew even before they became an Exo.
Anyways I think it will be too late for Maya. All of this feels like its heading towards a darker direction with all the horror aspects in the story and lore.
17:20 saint was able to let go of the fear of losing himself, he shared himself with his relative and became himself expanded and understands all versions are you but you are what you share with. So he let go of his identity but found that he got to keep it and see something beyond. Maya is lost.
lucky him. i wouldnt trust my other selfs if the shared experiences would be only slightly off. too risky without knowing the context of the different experiences. maya was right to stay true to the one self she truly knows but dying (or like even before through the veil) messed her up good.
@@difficiliscarere9838 she believes in singulars or good and evil or identity. Saint understands beyond a singular identity. This Maya may be the original but by denying the rest she has become a queen of lies. I see her as believing in a one true universe but misunderstands that all universes share. We can see and share our mind and our own body is a bridge for things to share through. We share with it and it shares back as us. So we don’t deny but understand so we find our own reflection and not just jump and mess up by predicting too far and missing what lies between or by denying and boxing ourselves in. Maya has boxed herself in and it keeps her from her goal. If she shared herself with the mayas then maybe she could find the potential by becoming. It’s like worrying and believing she’s lost has made her lost by chasing it without being able to let go or change.
I would love to hear you talk about mass effect lore, honestly
I watch your videos from somewhat 2016 or 2017. I played D1 since day one and my understanding of the language improved significantly thanks to you. Thank you Byf for letting me wander in the universe I still keep close to my heart. I'm looking forward to explore your new projects, I believe your talent will grow stronger with each new universe you tackle. Godspeed lore daddy
On the lore this episode,could the "NON-WORM" sleeping in the vex network be what actually escaped the garden and made the Vex by feeding nutrients into the radiolaria?
I am so stoked for Space Marine 2, I would absolutely watch a lore video on it. Love what you do
I’d be incredibly interested in Byf doing a Warhammer/Space Marines series. So much lore there it’s hard to know where to start.
The part that sticks with me from those two lore entries is the other entities in the Vex net that were trying for the Echo. One sounds A LOT like an Osiris echo; one is trying to reach Elise; and the "Not-Worm" is just a big old question mark. I know Byf has covered these before and they might just be the story team having some fun with us...but you never know what we'll find out there.
I really wish this story was better. Everyone knew Maya was the conductor, the hints were everywhere in Final Shape, I wish we'd gotten to see her as the conductor by the end of act 1 and really see how she's influenced the vex across acts 2 and 3, but like always, minus maybe Savathun, the villains off somewhere doing something thats probably bad but we don't know because for whatever reason we never get to see any of the villains in this game and instead have to read about them for a whole season until the last two weeks where the story ramps from like a 20 to 200 to get things over with.
Maya became an Exo because it was easy for Bungie to reuse a color-scheme destroying faceplate they already had for her voice than make a New Unique one obviously!
But fr, I think the Conductor is a Compund being just like the last being made through the Veil, the Witness. The Conductor is an Amalgamation of Multiple Simulated Mayas with the famous Msund-12 being the Prime consciousness. This may be why she has such disdain for “copies or Facimiles” due to being a Combined minds of Multiple Mayas with different Simulated Memories, she is virtually Unique, it’s it’s also why she will never find her “Perfect” Chioma Essei. It’s likely that Maya doesn’t know she is a Compound Being, which is why she thinks she can find a Chioma that “matches” her memories- they don’t exist.
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you should do dark souls/elden ring if your looking for more content to cover. id enjoy watching that
Theres no enough lore channels on World of Darkness and Cyberpunk is starting to get traction as well.
I'd be down for hearing more Warframe lore. They've had more content since last time covered
I would love to see a long project similar to your "origins to present shadowkeep" etc videos for warframe! A high quality totality lore video would be very useful and fun to watch, and could help make a good breakthrough back into covering the game ^^ Looking forward to whatever you work on going forward!
were here for the new content Byf much loveo
Stoked for whatever worlds you explore. Space Marine is a fantastic idea.
Warhammer 40K lore from Byf? Hell yeah
12 could be the number of tries it took Rasputin to find the "real" Maya and her group when they were being simulated by that captured vex, maybe any after or before 12 could be the simulated copies.
Ive said this for years but this season, Or episode if you will makes it stand out. Guardians aren't utilizing the full extent of their powers. We cant be. Now that we have acess to both light and dark simultaneously we should be more akin to Maras Tecuens. With the power of the echo maya was able to form herself from the vex network. It makes me wonder what else can be accomplished when memory and matter combine.
Got so excited about you doing space marine 2.
Oh Mass Effect definitely is something I'd love to see from you Byf
who up MSunding they 12 rn?
Lakin my shmi 2.
She maya on my sund till I resh
Yalls brains are in sync
Ever since I started chioing ma esi I’ve never looked back
Conducting deez nutz frfr 💯
isnt it ironic though that maya knows chioma so well that she is correct that chioma actually went into the vex netowrok looking for maya. Except chioma is also doing the same thing as maya they are looking for the version of their partner that made different decisions. chioma looking for a less consumed maya and a maya looking for a chioma that would stand by her
Hey Byf have you ever heard of Star Wars the Old Republic? It's an older game but still has new content coming out and it has huge amounts of lore. It would be great if you would consider it for a future project. I know you are a huge Star Wars fan and this game is just full of lore from the old republic era. It has things like the old sith lords, the discovery of hyperspace, some of the first conflicts with the Mandalorians, etc. All the lore is also available in the game via a codex.
Cant sleep. Byf's soothing voice will hopefully do the trick.
might not be a super active game, but i've always wanted you to cover GTFO. There's surpisingly little lore videos about it that go through it all. I dont know how MUCH lore there actually is to draw from, but I think it would be a worthwhite endevior check.
Well best of luck going down the 40k rabbit holes, I'll look forward to that. Just a warning there... is so much lore.
Excited to see you cover warhammer 40k! Some other deep lore games might be Soul Reaver (just got a graphic novel), Bioshock (or the new game Judas when that arrives), or Halo of course :)
I need a byf lore through of the entire dragon age series asap
I’d love to see Byf do some lore telling for the ODDWORLD universe 😅
If you’re looking for lore, I think cod black ops zombies might be a good one to do, we don’t have many lore guys in the space and although it’s much different from destiny I think you’d fit right in
I'm down for some Byf x Dragon Age content. That world has some great lore.
Awesome video as always Byf! I really hope you cover some Halo at some point.
I will be sat for any Halo videos you make
I definitely recommend Dragon Age, and perhaps Space Marine? Both of them come with lots of lore
Oh my god yes please! I'd love for you to do Dragon Age content!
I am soo READY for you to cover lore on Space Marine. Warhammer in general is just so rich. Also I did want you to go back to like the ecology breakdown you did for Monster Hunter. Should be a fun one for Wilds giving how Capcom is really pushing to expand the ecology of MH.
Knew you were going to say Space Marine 2 soon as you said new games 😁
Look forward to it.
Loved your Doom content, and a new game coming, and obviously Mass Effect at some point, that would be good.
Love the lore, and look forward to other games you will cover, especially 40k 😁
I would love to see Halo Lore. Its hard to keep up with the story and what all is cannon. You make things easy to understand and make it digestible lol
"Confused? Good!"
I would very much love to hear stories about monster hunter !!
Wait, if Maya was able to enter the Veil, then through the Veil enter the Vex Network, does that mean The Vex are always connected to the Veil or that this was possible through paracausal power like when the Guardian entered the Vex Network in Splicer Season?
Also, if the Vex are naturally connected to the Veil, how come they can’t use that connection to simulate Paracausality?
I’m pretty sure they’re not connected to the veil, otherwise they wouldn’t be on Neomuna and constantly trying to hack into the cloud arch which is connected to it. It was probably unplugged from the vex net when Maya disappeared, or there was a digital airlock system in place.
@@blackbeltgamer98fire-spitt96 I think that the Veil is always connected to the Vex net because the Network is basically the entirety of the vex consciousness, and the Veil is an artifact of darkness (THE artifact of Darkness) which represents the domain of the mind. The Veil should in theory be connected to all minds in the universe, or at least be able to connect with them. And since it's paracausal maybe the Vax can't interact with it.
I believe this is mentioned in thr strike as thsts how the taken are trying to get to the cloudark system (which is connected to the veil) through the vexnet. I believe thst while there is a connection, it is "guarded" or masked between the cloudark/vexnet
As for why the vex aren't paracausal/simulate paracausality, I believe thats more of a "them" thing. Like try introducing the fact thst you csn just break the otherwise unbreakable rules of the universe to a robot. Could they even comprehend that? To pull an example from humans, (this is from top gear/grand tour) one guy is asking "what if you get high/drunk and go driving/go driving without your license?" And the second guy goes "no you cannot do that it is against the rules" and was very adamant about that. The vex are essentially that second guy
I think it is less that the vex are connected to the veil than that the veil is connected to everything and all thinking consiousness. From the lore around the catalyst for quicksilver storm we know that some quantum effects are connected to strand. Furthermore the duality between void and strand we see that void creates the distance between particles and strand govern non local interactions between distant objects.
So Maya used the Veil to telepathically connect to the shared mind/simulation of the vex and since the network has shared and available server space it is possible to enter it unlike a human brain that is occupied by it's single consiousnes. So Mayas mind entered or fell into the vex network while her mind was moving around the universe through the Veils conection to everything.
I can only imagine byf doing warhammer lore
I would love to see a breakdown of the existential lore of nomansky
Right off the bat, two Goblins getting that new classic drip.
SM2?! oh HELL YEAH, fuck yeah even. but like someone else suggested, maybe going into the Halo lore would be pretty cool! It would certainly be cool to see what kind of Halo projects you could conjure
Byf have you considered possibly doing Soulslike games lore. Would love to see you do Lies of P.
It seems Sundaresh is a dark mirror of Osiris. Cool
I would really love to hear lore stuff from you about Monster Hunter.
Dragon Age and Byf, I need that
I would love to hear some Monster Hunter or Halo lore maybe even Marathon.
can we please get a marathon lore video next?
The byf warhammer arc incoming 😈
Great video as always my man. As for your question of other stuff to look into, would be nice to see your take on Warhammer 40k or Fantasy would be nice (You're going to look into Space marine 2 which is nice) Saw you saying something about Dragon Age Lore which got me excited. DnD is also an option and maybe some Dragon's Dogma? Whatever you go with I'm hyped to see.
I'd actually love for him to do comparisons between the Chapters and what we can learn from how they see the world.
The world of 40k does contain some uncomfortable topics to consider when it isn't just a fight for survival, like how the chapters trade axioms and those same axioms often create rifts between them.
The 12 might refer to Subject 12, the Vex platform that created the simulated Ishtar teams.
YOOO I’m down for space marines. Never played the games but they sound sick
I think the soul reaver series would be a good one to look into.
If you're going to do a dragon age lore, please do it from the start of the games. I would love a full dragon age lore videos.
Need me a byf Star Wars deep dive
Thanks StarForgeSystems
The qugu is the voice maya is hearing !
Byf one game lore you could cover is Path Of Exile it’s a 100% honest to god free to play game and I think the lore in that game is really rich. Also the sequel is coming out near the end of the year
Ashermeir didn't lose himself in the VexNet. He's still in there driving Brakion mad as the Mind tries to find and eliminate him.
A task Brakion is doomed to repeat for eternity.
I should also note it's just as likely (And probably will be the case) that Maya is being played by the Vex.
Remember, the Vex *want* a future where they and they alone are the supreme entity. Mayas plan to infect everyone with radiolaria and turn them into Vex only helps them in that goal.
Kind of sad that this is the sort of derivative storytelling they've fallen to.
I would like you to cover the confusing pieces of Black Myth: Wukong in the voice of Byf
As for other game lore; Maybe Mass Effect? Only asking as I just finished the trilogy for the first time 2 weeks ago and would love some more lore on it.
I would love for you to go into the lore behind DOOM, Halo, Fallout, or Mass Effect.
Titan Squad !
When did we lose Asher Mir? When he found the info on the Veil but wasn't able to deliver it to us?
Also, wasn't Insight Terminus part of the base game?
Mithrax said something along the lines that he couldn't hear Asher anymore, implying that he dissolved into the network having finished his purpose in delivering us the data.
“We are losing too many Chiomas”
I know this won't happen but Byf trying to cover the mess that is Fnaf lore would be amusing. At the very least would love to see this as an April Fools of some kind at some point.
I think the Chioma we heard in the recordings, either died to the Vex, and didn’t join the network, or she did go into the network, and searched for Maya. But was shortly subsumed by the Vex. Either way, because of Maya, Chioma lost the will to go on. Love can border on obsession, Maya is a prime example.
Her last entry does talk about going into the network to find Maya. I wonder if she had the same fortitude to survive. Personally, I hope we find her and she tells Maya to knock it off.
@@justcallmeness Maybe. For me, her last entry seemed vague. But, it still may be a challenge to find *that* particular Chioma, among hundreds of copies. Considering how broken down, and at a loss she was, I feel Chioma *would* slap the shit out of Maya. Worst thing she could say? “You’re JUST like Clovis”! With how deeply she hated Clovis, Chioma telling her she’s no different, would be a knife through the heart.
Would love to hear your takes on Legend of Zelda lore
I think no man Sky has quite a small but interesting story that would tie nicely to space games like destiny
I just wanted to note to you that Conductor is still a copy. Every exo that exist IS a copy of the original. The Conductor is ironically the original copy of the real Maya that died on Neomuna. Not any of the 227, which you are right about. For anyone that doesnt know much lore about the Exo, Elsie Bray's lorebooks, tied with Clovis's is all about Exo, Vex, and Clarity. There is a reason Clovis has 2 versions of himself. That is why the ExoHead in Deep Stone refers to itself as confidential Intelligence and quote "I am an exact replica of Clovis I's consciousness". The same goes for every exo. If you have played Cyberpunk, then you must know about Soulkiller. Well, the exact same thing happens in Destiny with exos. The original Elsie was terminally ill. So when she "became" an exo, she was basically soulkilled and Clovis kept a few backups of her consciousness to boot up in case one of her exos was destroyed. Which, it has happened. Point being: The Conductor is THE closest/approximate version of Maya when she died in that chair on Neomuna. The other 227 copies wouldve been doing whatever they were doing at that point and wouldnt have had a mind for torturing clovis or any of the events that happened under Msund12. So when she says is an architype a facsimile, she wouldnt recognize that she is ALSO a copy and NOT the original. But what does make her original is that, again, she isnt anything like the 227 and just the continuation of the original Maya that died on Neomuna. Sorry t=for the long lore. I just wanted to make clear about what she really as an exo.
Your videos are always full of depth and content. I look forward to each new episode!🦉💴🟥
@@cl4-tpgaming My demon kin in the Necronomicon, do you understand it's a bot
@cl4-tpgaming they have a tendency to make generic posts on everything, this one in particular is using a script of a copy paste comment. They use it for engagement mainly or spam links. Better to report and move on.
@@Randomperson462 Plus, they usually have their a$$ or t!ts as their profile picture
@@Randomperson462 Also, the generic names are a pretty good giveaway as well
Wait a minute, there's a log where Chioma says she's going to merge with the Vex before her death to try and find Maya. So Chioma IS in there somewhere!
Could the 12 in Msund12 just be an Exo Number? Like Maya has reset 12 Times as an Exo? Like Banshee, Cayde, etc.
Get in the robot, Chioma.
The Universe is capitalized… 13:13
What I’m more curious about, is why “Maya” is a familiar name to Cayde. My guess: there is a lore tab in which a female scientist, likely Maya, leaves a message for Clovis with her resignation. She tells him off and states she will report his inhumane experiments to the board. And he will be shut down. She leaves. Cayde was one of the subjects that were forced/volunteered for the Exo program. Perhaps he knew Maya from her time on Europa? It’s ironic how much she parallels Clovis: manipulated by a higher power, used as a pawn but never realizes it, and dies to hubris only to come back lost to madness.
Cayde used to be her bodyguard
Cayde was her bodyguard after he became an exo I believe at the same time he met Micah before she became an exo
Space marine, or that universe sounds cool
Hi byf. I know you asked for different games to do the lore for and whatever you do will be great. I know what I am about to ask is a big task, but the game that I would say would be DnD lore. I know that is a big ask, but I would imagine you would be great for doing lore within the world of DnD.
Serious game id be interested: CoD Zombies
Funny thing id like to see in byf style: Mr Qi from Stardew Valley (or stardew entirely)
I don't think MSund-12 is the original Maya that entered the vexnet through the veil. I think given the lore the copies of Chioma and Maya give us in the mission and esp the noting of a number of Maya copies going missing, presumably during a state "Sunderesh Incident" that the Conductor is the Original Maya, AND the copy MSund-12 AND many other copies of Maya that were absorbed or possibly joined of their own will into the consciousness that is the Conductor, not dissimilar to the witness expect all its minds are Maya Sunderesh. It might not even be impossible that Laksmi-2 is also part of that joined consciousness, though the lore book explains already WHY Maya picked Laksmi as an appearance.
I mean if you're looking to cover lore of other games, yeah Dragon Age like you said would be cool. Perhaps Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Halo, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Cyberpunk 2077, DOOM, Devil May Cry, or Gears Of War could be good ones to do too.
Doom eternal has a very complex lore that would be fun to explore
Great video. When it comes to your question, if you went back to doing some Warframe videos would be cool. I know it can be difficult to balance different live service games.
I think branching into warframe lore would be perfect for your channel.
Apparently, there's a Byf look and soundalike who does Warhammer lore named Sandman of Terra 😂
Even as destiny declines your community has you're back on whatever future plans/content you have for your channel. I've been with this channel since d1 and ill stick with it throughout.
15:44 maybe the echo is like a parasite that had to ride out in a potential made real so it could be free and it’s using her, like with crow.
big question for you . where is the conducter's chair ?
Wonder if the angles mayas talking about are the same savathun is looking for
So what do you guys think we’re gunna turn her into? Im thinking a pulse rifle. Or maybe a arc handcannon.
If you are considering the dragon age saga you should start from the beginning.
In terms of other lore universes to cover, I think Mass Effect us a much better fit and it will give you plenty of content.
Monster hunter is definetly the top choice, but sadly we are still a while away from Wilds.
Maybe a commentatore short seire on Monhan worlds to kick things off?
The game is still massively popular
i would love to see u explain the lore of halo space Marine and genshin impact actually it has realy good lore
Plot twist ikora is chioma