ENGL has that distinct tone! I’ve played several of these small ‘lunchbox’ amps and they’re all missing something. But this one seems to have that punch! Really wanna try this out…perfect for small home studios.
Purchased a Fireball 25 last week. I knew you were a big fan. Very happy with my purchase. I considered the Ironball SE. For me, the Fireball is a better fit. I already have all the other things such as Captor X and lots of pedals. I also wanted a 6L6 power section. I have a Mesa Mk V 25 with EL84s. I'm sure the Ironball SE is a great choice. Thanks for the great video as always.
if you had 2 pick one, your mesa or engl? cuz i want 1 or the other and i cant decide. i know they are different sounds but i can only pick one and i love both
@@iLLuzion1st Sorry for the late reply. I'd choose the Engl. But, it's a close toss up. There are a lot of sounds to explore in the Mesa. The Engl does clean to crunchy on the clean channel, and hi-gain on the other. But, those three sounds lack nothing. The attenuator on the Engl is the best I've used. The noise gate is flawless. The Engl is just easy. I've owned and played a lot of amps and have noticed that I tend to like amps with 6L6 family of tubes. There have been quite a few with EL-84s that I didn't like. But I own two that I do like: the Peavey Classic 20 Mini Head and the Mesa V25.
This is so great cuz I have Mark V 25 and I'm considering getting the Fireball 25. I find the Mark 25 to have quite a massive sound. Do you think the Fireball is in the same ballpark? Does it sound bigger? Smaller than Mark 25?
@@sergejkrynycky728 I ended up keeping the Engl Fireball 25 and letting the Mark V25 go. I prefer the overdrive tone on the Engl. Both amps have great cleans. I like the power attenuation on the Engl and I like the way the clean channel breaks up when pushed. As far as tone, I would describe the Engl overdrive as smoother than the Mesa. They can both sound huge.
I love the Engl sound, I play black and death metal most of the time and use Engl kemper profiles 90% of the time. Had no idea they could be so versatile though
That Squier...in a review with an SG and a Keisel. Take note, folks. Wish my Carvin X100b did that... Thanks for bringing the tone to the masses. Love ya Phil.
Late to the partay - got one yesterday. Very nice I am loving it! clean to mean great tone. Has a different feel and gain structure than a Mesa both pleasing.
Thanks Phil! I was waiting for this video but a deal on a mark v 25 appeared on reverb that I had to grab. Still great to see these low wattage amps packing in the features! They compete and we win.
Yeah, dunno if it's the 6L6s making the difference or not, but the Fireball just sounds a lot more present and lively, where the Ironball sounds pretty boxy.
@@atonofspiders honestly I really like it. Very versatile. I wish it had a foot switch to toggle between some of the options but other than that it sounds awesome.
I love how you play a variety of different styles. Most reviewers just play a few clean riffs and then play nothing but drop C riffs with no tone except bass frequencies, and forget to showcase the variety of sounds the amp can produce
I really preferred the gain of the Fireball over the Ironball. Sounded punchier and not as muddy (the comparison around 11:00). I'll stick with my Revv G20, though.
Phil you been getting better on them guitars....sounding good man. I like you vibrato sound.....not over done. I have the exact SG its a 2011. love that guitar.
I got an ENGL Invader. ENGL gives you several options in foot switches, depending on your budget and your needs. So... I prefer like this, tbh. I bought the Z-9.
@@shorerocks If there is a engl fs for this amp, it would be worth the extra cost. But I also think it needs to be offered as package. I prefer this engl as well. Stay safe and well ✌️ 🎶 🎶
10:59 - imo, and I don't know how you have the mids set on the ironball, but it sounds a lot brighter in those mids compared to the fireball which sounds noticeably scooped.
I think this is the first amp demo I’ve ever heard where I preferred the sound of an overdrive pedal into the clean channel over the sound of the amp itself being overdriven.
Thanks for the great objectively presented review! What a dream amp, the Ironball SE, to have in your office at home, but I do see some live playing problems, though. The IRs sound pretty good as far as I could hear, and the effects, well, they ought to at least be good enough for some home studio demo work. I've had the "old" Ironball head for like seven years now, and it, apart from sounding like an Engl head through a speaker, also has a direct frequency compensated output that I have used quite a bit. It needs, however, to have some speaker emulation software added later in the recording software, and this is where you then might hassle with latency problems depending on your setup. It seems that this amp is trying to finally get these issues right for everyone to use. Well done! Apart from enjoying the old Ironball mostly in my office, I have used the Fireball 100 with my band. The nice thing about this is that the custom analog but programmable footswitch that I built for it fits right into either amp, and it does almost the same thing. It fx. turns on the lead channel, gain boost and reverb with one click. This would mean that if I took the Ironball SE to like a really small gig, I would have to make a whole new and now midi based switchboard for it. Because the analog switch input for the reverb is now gone. Now, that's the thing with Engl amps. It's always "bring your own switch!". I can see that it makes sense because most serious players customize their setups anyway, and you quite rarely see analog amp switching boards on a stage, anyway. Who wants to click three buttons when playing a solo? Engl should, in my opinion, have kept the second analog switch input. The one that goes "MVB/reverb" in the back of the old Ironball should have been reconfigured to "MVB/onboard FX" turning all effects on. Then if you don't want delay when you click the switch, dial the delay knob all the down etc. This is a pretty packed back plate with lots of features, and really think removing the MVB/FX is a bad designer choice when everything else is so damn impressive.
Once in a while I see a video of you delivering the knowledge and im kinda sold on the head. Tryin to decide on a half cab has been keeping me up at knight😂🙄... Nailed it.
Thanks Phil for playing this amp. Engl make great gear it has a certain tone quality but look at the options that's German Technology. I own 2 Engl amps the cabs are quality as well. Remember EL34 through a 1 x 12 Vintage 30... I can hear Matchless cleans already, response is not like a 6l6 or KT88, I really liked the Red Dirt into the clean channel, but using the Engl's dirty channel brings back 60's 70's hard rock tones. Not everyone's cup of tea but sounds great even through utubes compresion. Hopefully you enjoyed this companies offerings. I do cheers from down under.
you mention them not caring about hitting a price point, which is great, but I also think this amp is incredibly well priced when you take everything into consideration, from being made in germany, all the features and he incredible tones. To me, what this amp is the ultimate amp to buy if you just want one great amp
Own a engl powerball II since 2009 and it stopped me from looking at amps. I bought it for metal but have played everything from country to prog metal with it live and it sounds great! Re tubed once now and input jack had to be fixed cause I’m rough as shit on everything. This amp looks ridiculous with all their features engl never disappoints! If I we want to downsize from 100watts I’d probably get this.
That iron ball is pretty meaty and a lot smoother in the high end and weirdly I like that more than the Fireball. I was planning to one day get a Fireball 100 as my one ENGL to diversify my amp collection but this has complicated things.
I agree the Ironball sounded smoother in the high end but prefer the sharp snarl of the Fireball. That's the fun of purely subjective matters. Hope you get the amp and tone you're searching for!
Hey Phil can you tell me if thats the Chinese vintage thirty in the cab. I tend to like the Ipswich one better but their roughly the same price. I generally CL a mesa vin 30. anyway i am going to build a custom cab for this head (ironball 20) plus a single 12 cab matching hardwood. Keep jamming man i value your opinion above all others.
I was having a hard time finding a fireball 25 but the Reverb Gods eventually looked upon me with favor. Managed to snag the Fireball 25 and the adorable little vertical 1x12 cab lol.
Does any of you guys know what the riff is that Phil starts playing at 12:37?? Sounds cool and need it in my toolbox! Thanks for any answers in advance
I agree 100% as I prefer the wood & tolex look over the metal housing, but the features of the ironball SE are awesome. I have a Mig-50 ( 50w Bassman clone ) and it is an excellent pedal platform, but it doesn't have any features at all, not even an effects loop. The new EH Mig-50 is a superb amp at about 1/2 the price though if you just need the basics and has a ton of power for those that already have the effects on a pedalboard.
A comparison between this Engl and a GrandMeister Deluxe 40 from Hughes & Kettner would be awesome. I would like to go for amp of this category, but dont know which one to get.... Any recommendation would be very appreciated.
Wait, you can shove the top handle into the amp? This is the first time I see this feature. So it would be possible to stack something else (small) on top of it? Like a Kemper?
Good review, awesome amplifier, I like the power soak feature and other nice additives. I enjoy the power soak feature on my lunchbox 5150. The blue and red channels with 5 preamp tubes. I also enjoy power scale amplifiers. Specs don't mention but I have to assume it's a solid state bridge rectifier and not a tube rectifier. I like it almost enough to sell my Suhr badgerhead 18 Watt, though probably not. I would really like to see a power scale model with switchable diode to tube rectifier this would be great in the Engl 25.
I’m curious, between the Engl Ironball SE and the Revv G20...Revv is about 200 bucks cheaper I think, but they are pretty close and both have a good amount of features, although the Engl seems to have a few more. But I’d be curious what other people think or have to say between the two amps. Also for about half the price I have been looking really seriously at the Peavey Invective MH for a while now.
I cant speak to the ironball, but I just sold my fireball 25 to go for a revv d20… the cleans on the revv are so much better and I prefer to just run my helix into the clean channel over the dirty channel on the fireball.
Do you know if the SE's IR can be controlled from an external FX unit's MIDI such as the GT1000? I'm trying to avoid using my Z9 and my effects unit at the same time. I can't find any videos on using this head's MIDI with an external unit.
from what my ears say the fball came through more detailed in the mids and thats everything, no faffing about, down to the diff tubes and tran, i figure, thanks for the share pm i nearly got the se with the does it all mentality but it always should be tone first, it was like mp3 to cd, im in the old world where music had value
@@bradleyd417 I am enjoying the Ironball SE quite a bit, it’s a major upgrade from the original Ironball. The archon is louder. It does loud very well. The archon is also a really good pedal and platform. Where the Ironball can take pedals, I don’t think it shines in that area. The noise gate on the Ironball is a blessing the archon needs one. Overall both amps are great and have different voices and do different things. If you are a bedroom or studio player. The Ironball is better aimed towards that. I turn on the Ironball more lately because I can play it at night with the speaker off. Hope that helps.
I have the E606 and I'd miss Presence for BOTH Channels. BTW, there is MIDI switches for Tap-Tempo etc. and nobody is demoing this. Likely due to huge MIDI Boards gone out of fashion. I want to hear the IR variations but fallen asleep watching this. It's only a Metal Amp with Stock Preamp Valves. I use Svetlana V1 & GT 75%Distortion (same as SRV used) in V2 which also adds 10% Headroom for the MV Boost on the Pedal. I can hear how you think the Fireball 25 is better but again I can hear you had the SE on a Power-Soak setting rather than at 20W. Yes you are right, it does breakup easy when in a big hall but is ample for small Pubs. The Fireball 25 would be great to have an SE of that also. I'd miss the reverb too much as it includes a Chorus on that.
ENGL has that distinct tone! I’ve played several of these small ‘lunchbox’ amps and they’re all missing something. But this one seems to have that punch! Really wanna try this out…perfect for small home studios.
Amp techs are going to love this one if it ever comes across their bench :)
I love the way Engl Amps sound, and their versatility. They really know what they're doing. Thanks
Purchased a Fireball 25 last week. I knew you were a big fan. Very happy with my purchase. I considered the Ironball SE. For me, the Fireball is a better fit. I already have all the other things such as Captor X and lots of pedals. I also wanted a 6L6 power section. I have a Mesa Mk V 25 with EL84s. I'm sure the Ironball SE is a great choice. Thanks for the great video as always.
if you had 2 pick one, your mesa or engl? cuz i want 1 or the other and i cant decide. i know they are different sounds but i can only pick one and i love both
@@iLLuzion1st Sorry for the late reply. I'd choose the Engl. But, it's a close toss up. There are a lot of sounds to explore in the Mesa. The Engl does clean to crunchy on the clean channel, and hi-gain on the other. But, those three sounds lack nothing. The attenuator on the Engl is the best I've used. The noise gate is flawless. The Engl is just easy. I've owned and played a lot of amps and have noticed that I tend to like amps with 6L6 family of tubes. There have been quite a few with EL-84s that I didn't like. But I own two that I do like: the Peavey Classic 20 Mini Head and the Mesa V25.
This is so great cuz I have Mark V 25 and I'm considering getting the Fireball 25. I find the Mark 25 to have quite a massive sound. Do you think the Fireball is in the same ballpark? Does it sound bigger? Smaller than Mark 25?
@@sergejkrynycky728 I ended up keeping the Engl Fireball 25 and letting the Mark V25 go. I prefer the overdrive tone on the Engl. Both amps have great cleans. I like the power attenuation on the Engl and I like the way the clean channel breaks up when pushed. As far as tone, I would describe the Engl overdrive as smoother than the Mesa. They can both sound huge.
Great video Phil! It helped convince me to by the Engl Ironball SE. Thanks!
They both sound killer. Love that German build-quality.
No.
Yes. Both killer.
@@shane011471 hmm. You should post a tear down on UA-cam.
@@shane011471 yes! Do that
@@shane011471 exactly
I love the Engl sound, I play black and death metal most of the time and use Engl kemper profiles 90% of the time. Had no idea they could be so versatile though
That's why I got my heart set on the Fireball. It goes all the way to utter brutality but different than a recto or 5150ish sound.
The Ironball has been pretty fun.
I love hearing you play, brother!
I was not expecting to like the clean channel of the Ironball as much as I did! Wow.
Thank you! I was so confused on which to buy. SE is the choice!
That Squier...in a review with an SG and a Keisel. Take note, folks. Wish my Carvin X100b did that... Thanks for bringing the tone to the masses. Love ya Phil.
You're right. That Squier sounded beautiful
Wow Phil nice bit of chugging! That Kiesel into these amps *rips* !!!
My favorite video you’ve ever done. And that says a lot. You’ve been a total inspiration to me and my own personal podcast. Much love.
Phil I don’t know if you’ve been playing more lately or what but your playing sounds great and the SG sounds dope!
Most impressive is that clean channel. Sounds beautiful and full.
Been eagerly awaiting this video! Thank you!
Late to the partay - got one yesterday. Very nice I am loving it! clean to mean great tone. Has a different feel and gain structure than a Mesa both pleasing.
Both Engl amps are so versatile! Awesome demo, Phil!
Thanks Phil! I was waiting for this video but a deal on a mark v 25 appeared on reverb that I had to grab. Still great to see these low wattage amps packing in the features! They compete and we win.
I like the features of the ironball but the full size tubes of the fireball is where it’s at IMO
🤘🏼🤘🏼
Yeah, dunno if it's the 6L6s making the difference or not, but the Fireball just sounds a lot more present and lively, where the Ironball sounds pretty boxy.
Holy cow that cab sim sounded INSANE! Great review, Phil!
Really liked the Neil Zaza at 11:30. Haven't heard I'm Alright in a while.
sounds awesome, great work Phil
The perfect video. Thanks.
the best review on these amp thanks a lot. I really need Fireball 25 MK II for example
Thanks Phil for helping me decide on this amp.
I bought an Ironball based on this video. It’s amazing. Thank you so much. This is exactly why I’m a subscriber!
What cabinet do you suggest using with the Ironball? Is this amp loud enough for a small bar type venue?
A lot of cool features on the Ironball. I just purchased a Egnater Tweaker and love it but maybe eventually I’ll try one of these.
What do you think of the Egnator? I’ve been looking into them and they seem pretty rad
@@atonofspiders honestly I really like it. Very versatile. I wish it had a foot switch to toggle between some of the options but other than that it sounds awesome.
I love how you play a variety of different styles. Most reviewers just play a few clean riffs and then play nothing but drop C riffs with no tone except bass frequencies, and forget to showcase the variety of sounds the amp can produce
Great miced up Work here, sounds amazing
Nice JEM of a DEM :)
Well done going over what an interested shopper is wanting to know about these. Had an eye on these for months
I really preferred the gain of the Fireball over the Ironball. Sounded punchier and not as muddy (the comparison around 11:00). I'll stick with my Revv G20, though.
Just sold my fireball 25 to go with a revv d20 instead… I agree!
@Nilly Sigger What he's hearing in the room could be quite different than what we're hearing after it being recorded and compressed.
Phil you been getting better on them guitars....sounding good man. I like you vibrato sound.....not over done. I have the exact SG its a 2011. love that guitar.
You should buy one of those mate!! I've never heard you sound better!!
Really nice job, demo and comparison.
I struggle to understand why an amp that is so complete, doesn't have a footswitch specific to the amp. It's a fantastic amp that's missing its pedal.
I got an ENGL Invader. ENGL gives you several options in foot switches, depending on your budget and your needs. So... I prefer like this, tbh. I bought the Z-9.
@@shorerocks If there is a engl fs for this amp, it would be worth the extra cost. But I also think it needs to be offered as package. I prefer this engl as well. Stay safe and well ✌️ 🎶 🎶
Buy hx effects and call it a day.
Just bought the Fireball. Sounds great and better than many other amps I cross-shopped it against. 5150 iii 50w, MT15, DSL.
Crickey! I certainly looks like Phil enjoyed this amp.
It's a bit too complicated for me but it looks like it would be great for some people.
Love your playing on this video. sounds sick.
SOUNDING GREAT Phill !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...amp sounds good too!
Sounds awesome. Love that SG and Blue Tele.
Great review. Sounds like an excellent amp and German built to add. Quality!
THAT SG IS SO SICK!!!!!! Saving for a Fireball currently.
Holy moley what an amp!
Damn I know what company I'm going with when I upgrade to a new amp. Great video!
I love that white Flying V. Very cool Phil
I love that the Ironball has an iron cast cover. Sounds like one should imagine it. Distant and eerie. I like it to blend with Soldano.
I feel like Engl took the best parts of an IR and multi-FX pedal and smashed them together into a tube amp. Nice!
10:59 - imo, and I don't know how you have the mids set on the ironball, but it sounds a lot brighter in those mids compared to the fireball which sounds noticeably scooped.
I think this is the first amp demo I’ve ever heard where I preferred the sound of an overdrive pedal into the clean channel over the sound of the amp itself being overdriven.
Thanks for the great objectively presented review! What a dream amp, the Ironball SE, to have in your office at home, but I do see some live playing problems, though. The IRs sound pretty good as far as I could hear, and the effects, well, they ought to at least be good enough for some home studio demo work. I've had the "old" Ironball head for like seven years now, and it, apart from sounding like an Engl head through a speaker, also has a direct frequency compensated output that I have used quite a bit. It needs, however, to have some speaker emulation software added later in the recording software, and this is where you then might hassle with latency problems depending on your setup. It seems that this amp is trying to finally get these issues right for everyone to use. Well done!
Apart from enjoying the old Ironball mostly in my office, I have used the Fireball 100 with my band. The nice thing about this is that the custom analog but programmable footswitch that I built for it fits right into either amp, and it does almost the same thing. It fx. turns on the lead channel, gain boost and reverb with one click. This would mean that if I took the Ironball SE to like a really small gig, I would have to make a whole new and now midi based switchboard for it. Because the analog switch input for the reverb is now gone. Now, that's the thing with Engl amps. It's always "bring your own switch!". I can see that it makes sense because most serious players customize their setups anyway, and you quite rarely see analog amp switching boards on a stage, anyway. Who wants to click three buttons when playing a solo?
Engl should, in my opinion, have kept the second analog switch input. The one that goes "MVB/reverb" in the back of the old Ironball should have been reconfigured to "MVB/onboard FX" turning all effects on. Then if you don't want delay when you click the switch, dial the delay knob all the down etc.
This is a pretty packed back plate with lots of features, and really think removing the MVB/FX is a bad designer choice when everything else is so damn impressive.
Engl amps are fantastic. I like the Screamer much better than the other ones, it fits my style better.
Once in a while I see a video of you delivering the knowledge and im kinda sold on the head. Tryin to decide on a half cab has been keeping me up at knight😂🙄... Nailed it.
Both sound awesome!
Thanks Phil for playing this amp. Engl make great gear it has a certain tone quality but look at the options that's German Technology. I own 2 Engl amps the cabs are quality as well. Remember EL34 through a 1 x 12 Vintage 30... I can hear Matchless cleans already, response is not like a 6l6 or KT88, I really liked the Red Dirt into the clean channel, but using the Engl's dirty channel brings back 60's 70's hard rock tones. Not everyone's cup of tea but sounds great even through utubes compresion. Hopefully you enjoyed this companies offerings. I do cheers from down under.
you mention them not caring about hitting a price point, which is great, but I also think this amp is incredibly well priced when you take everything into consideration, from being made in germany, all the features and he incredible tones. To me, what this amp is the ultimate amp to buy if you just want one great amp
Out of the two I prefer the fireball,I don’t really need the extra features
Did they forget people are paying $2,000 for KLON and King of Tone? Lmao
I love mine, been playing it none stop.
What cabinet do you suggest using with the Ironball? Is this amp loud enough for a small bar type venue?
Own a engl powerball II since 2009 and it stopped me from looking at amps. I bought it for metal but have played everything from country to prog metal with it live and it sounds great! Re tubed once now and input jack had to be fixed cause I’m rough as shit on everything. This amp looks ridiculous with all their features engl never disappoints! If I we want to downsize from 100watts I’d probably get this.
Seems like ENGL built an amp for the both major player types.....the ones who want simple and the ones who like all the effects built in! Killer!
It seems like it would he nice to get away from all the wiring, and set up of a pedal board. I can see the lure.
Great review 👌
Dam Engl Fireball and Ironball is a win win. Thanx Phil
Really helpful comparison between the Ironball and Fireball - thanks! Gonna go for the Ironball myself, shame the Fireball is better looking though
Whenever I come to your channel I feel the GAS!
That iron ball is pretty meaty and a lot smoother in the high end and weirdly I like that more than the Fireball.
I was planning to one day get a Fireball 100 as my one ENGL to diversify my amp collection but this has complicated things.
I agree the Ironball sounded smoother in the high end but prefer the sharp snarl of the Fireball. That's the fun of purely subjective matters. Hope you get the amp and tone you're searching for!
Nice Balls!🤣
I had to say! Great amps definitely on my wish list!
Hey Phil can you tell me if thats the Chinese vintage thirty in the cab. I tend to like the Ipswich one better but their roughly the same price. I generally CL a mesa vin 30. anyway i am going to build a custom cab for this head (ironball 20) plus a single 12 cab matching hardwood. Keep jamming man i value your opinion above all others.
Hi Phil,
Great video!!
Do you like the two Engle Amps better than the Grandmiester 40??
I was having a hard time finding a fireball 25 but the Reverb Gods eventually looked upon me with favor. Managed to snag the Fireball 25 and the adorable little vertical 1x12 cab lol.
Does any of you guys know what the riff is that Phil starts playing at 12:37?? Sounds cool and need it in my toolbox! Thanks for any answers in advance
Nice, SG sounds Great.
I agree 100% as I prefer the wood & tolex look over the metal housing, but the features of the ironball SE are awesome. I have a Mig-50 ( 50w Bassman clone ) and it is an excellent pedal platform, but it doesn't have any features at all, not even an effects loop. The new EH Mig-50 is a superb amp at about 1/2 the price though if you just need the basics and has a ton of power for those that already have the effects on a pedalboard.
MOST impressive...thanks!
No mids for me,please!!!
Ironball SE wins!!!❤❤❤
Thanks for the video Phil! Not too much of an amp guy so a lot of it went over my head but enjoyed it nonetheless
I saw coffee maker in the thumbnail and all I gotta say is SOLD!
A comparison between this Engl and a GrandMeister Deluxe 40 from Hughes & Kettner would be awesome. I would like to go for amp of this category, but dont know which one to get.... Any recommendation would be very appreciated.
Never played an ENGL, but now I’m interested
Amazing review man.. Can u please tell us your recording setup.. Are u solely using the zoom mic only? Where is it positioned?
Damn 🤦♂️ Now i need the Iron ball SE.
I don't know if i need to keep my RectoVerb 25 or get rid of it?? 🤔
Once u try engl you never go back mate
Seems pretty great
Holy hell that’s a lotta knobs and switches!
Wait, you can shove the top handle into the amp? This is the first time I see this feature. So it would be possible to stack something else (small) on top of it? Like a Kemper?
Good review, awesome amplifier, I like the power soak feature and other nice additives. I enjoy the power soak feature on my lunchbox 5150. The blue and red channels with 5 preamp tubes. I also enjoy power scale amplifiers. Specs don't mention but I have to assume it's a solid state bridge rectifier and not a tube rectifier. I like it almost enough to sell my Suhr badgerhead 18 Watt, though probably not. I would really like to see a power scale model with switchable diode to tube rectifier this would be great in the Engl 25.
Phil - how does it compare to the hughes and kettner grandmeister 40? seems like a lot of similarities....comparison video would be great!
If my kid was playing and asked for an amp, this would be the one, it would last forever if he wanted!
I’m curious, between the Engl Ironball SE and the Revv G20...Revv is about 200 bucks cheaper I think, but they are pretty close and both have a good amount of features, although the Engl seems to have a few more. But I’d be curious what other people think or have to say between the two amps. Also for about half the price I have been looking really seriously at the Peavey Invective MH for a while now.
I cant speak to the ironball, but I just sold my fireball 25 to go for a revv d20… the cleans on the revv are so much better and I prefer to just run my helix into the clean channel over the dirty channel on the fireball.
G20 is a bit more muddy/flubby than the Ironball which is hella tight. I've had both.
Do you know if the SE's IR can be controlled from an external FX unit's MIDI such as the GT1000? I'm trying to avoid using my Z9 and my effects unit at the same time. I can't find any videos on using this head's MIDI with an external unit.
So do I buy the iron ball or a revv...
⚓️ Thanks Phil 😎
The 25 sounds better on clean, yet he SE sounds better with gain. Good Amps.
Hey Phillip McKnight which amp do you like better Engl Ironball SE Head or Marshall SC20H JCM800?
from what my ears say the fball came through more detailed in the mids and thats everything, no faffing about, down to the diff tubes and tran, i figure, thanks for the share pm i nearly got the se with the does it all mentality but it always should be tone first, it was like mp3 to cd, im in the old world where music had value
That sounds killer
Hey Phil can you get a db meter so we can get an idea about room volume. I am really about to pull the trigger on one of these.
Mine comes tomorrow! Pretty excited. I love my Archon 25. However this seems like a better studio tool.
@Gorlag How do you like it? How does it compare to your Archon?
@@bradleyd417 I am enjoying the Ironball SE quite a bit, it’s a major upgrade from the original Ironball. The archon is louder. It does loud very well. The archon is also a really good pedal and platform. Where the Ironball can take pedals, I don’t think it shines in that area. The noise gate on the Ironball is a blessing the archon needs one.
Overall both amps are great and have different voices and do different things. If you are a bedroom or studio player. The Ironball is better aimed towards that. I turn on the Ironball more lately because I can play it at night with the speaker off. Hope that helps.
@@gorlagOv That certainly does help. Thank you so much!
Sweet tone!
I have the E606 and I'd miss Presence for BOTH Channels.
BTW, there is MIDI switches for Tap-Tempo etc. and nobody is demoing this. Likely due to huge MIDI Boards gone out of fashion. I want to hear the IR variations but fallen asleep watching this. It's only a Metal Amp with Stock Preamp Valves. I use Svetlana V1 & GT 75%Distortion (same as SRV used) in V2 which also adds 10% Headroom for the MV Boost on the Pedal.
I can hear how you think the Fireball 25 is better but again I can hear you had the SE on a Power-Soak setting rather than at 20W. Yes you are right, it does breakup easy when in a big hall but is ample for small Pubs. The Fireball 25 would be great to have an SE of that also. I'd miss the reverb too much as it includes a Chorus on that.
Diese Amps rocken!
Great now I want another amp now
i like the Ironball, and that wild Kiesel