I purchased the Timney Alpha and the Johnny Glocks Timney Combat Conversion Kit plus his Timney Enhanced Vex trigger shoe upgrade - making the trigger setup just under $400 - and it still doesn’t work.
@@bunnyoperator ordered the parts separately, installed it myself. I’m having a grinding or friction issue which also creates a timing issue. My slide at times doesn’t return to battery and it causes all sorts of malfunctions.
@@harisbabic333 Thanks for providing the info. It's unfortunate that Timney and shops that run the Alpha aren't openly advising that the Alpha requires fine tuning to get it to function. This is probably why JG alludes that folks should send in their parts, if not entire frame, to him for fitting.
Thanks for all of the detailed information. Very helpful. With this trigger I've had light strikes only with ammo that has Berdan primers. And reset issues too. Swapped in the red spring and it's been fine so far.
Have this trigger in my sct frame with heavy striker spring . The trigger safety shoe was rubbing the frame not letting the trigger reset. A very light sanding at the contact area made it worked perfect . A very Slight downward bend on the trigger bar where it meets the sear got rid of and creep. I have 500 rounds through it with no failures .
Sending mine back without even trying it. Don’t need the potential hassel when there are so many proven triggers available. Thanks for the detailed description of the issues you encountered.
Does your trigger bar with a dimple at the vertical extension? SS did alter their design a from oem G, so good to know your example is working with those parts. Keep it going and report back.
Best video for the Timney Alpha Trigger. I had a gunsmith, who had installed several of them, including 3 on his personal Glocks. He installed it on my Glock 26 gen 3. Well, I got 50 good rounds out of it, before massive reliability problems. The take-up disappeared, and it was like a 1911, right at the wall, which by-passed the safety. Also, it started to not reset, sort of like a dead trigger, but if you kept moving your finger, it would fire, very unsafe. In dry fire it would reset every time, weird. My gunsmith wanted to try and fix it, like bend the OEM connector. I told him take it out immediately. It is not worth having a nice candy ass break, to give up on the 3 best things about a Glock trigger. Reliability, Safety, and that incredible strong tactile Re-Set, especially on the Gen 3.
Very true. Timney's marketing is misleading, and they aren't transparent about the level of mods required. Do you recall if the trigger bars had dimples at the vertical extensions? I will have an updated video to this later. Timney has made a few changes but the problems are still there. There is an inherent design problem paired with their lack of QC.
@@bunnyoperator We called Timney, and they were very polite. My Glock 26, was made in 2001, and has the 3 pins. My gunsmith noticed the locking block looked a little different, so he compared it to a new gen 3 26, he had in the shop. The locking block was indeed a little different. Timney immediately said that they wouldn’t recommend the Timney Alpha in that older gen 3 model. Why couldn’t they warn us before we went through all the trouble installing, and going to range shooting?
ordered in December 2023, same issues, just returned. i got about 70 rounds through then the misfires, dead trigger you mention, not resetting... when id rack the slide, the next chambered round would go off... so unsafe man.
That is unfortunate. I have one of these in my 19 and haven't had any issues through about 300 rds so far. I guess I will have to keep a close eye on it from here forward. Great vid
Have both Gen3 Timney Alpha in my G17, and Gen5 Timney Alpha in my G45. Both triggers purchased early 2021. All stock Glock springs with Glock minus “-“ connectors. 2k-4k rounds on G17. 4K-6k rounds on G45. With all types factory new ammo n factory reloads. Not one single issue on either. I regularly shoot IDPA and occasional USPSA. Only mod I made to Timney trigger was the original kits shipped with one L-Spring which caused trigger pull to be very light and consequently caused a slow trigger reset since same spring used for both. I replaced L-Spring with a McMaster L-Spring; #9287K78, 1lb, 2.25coils, 0.187” shaft diameter. $4.19ea. Had to trim the legs slightly but now have 4-4.5lb trigger pull and snappy reset. I prefer the heavier trigger pull and find that I don’t feel it since Timney is a single stage trigger and not 2 stage as in the stock Glock trigger. When Timney came out with the heavier L-Spring due to slow reset complaints, I gave that a try on both my Glocks, but found I much preferred the reset response using the McMaster spring. My shooting buddy got his Timney Alpha around the same time I did for his Gen3 G19, and also has experienced no issues whatsoever in over 3k rounds. I guess we’re some of the lucky ones with no issues. Hope this helps.
Thank you for your data point. I have also read up of folks swapping their trigger return springs for ones found at the local hardware store. It is pretty much a "use with caution and monitor" trigger. There are too many issues reported for anyone to trust these wholeheartedly and you are correct that there are the lucky examples out there. It is very concerning that so many of these have reported issues, and I am continuously receiving more examples each week. So far the Enhanced Feel Shoe isn't giving me issues but time will tell with that one. Stay tuned for updates as more data is collected.
@@bunnyoperator Unfortunately, my experience with the Timney Alpha was not positive. When it ran well it felt great, but I was getting a combination of light strikes and the trigger safety hanging up on the frame. Eventually I just went back to a stock trigger. I had been on the fence about buying another gun, especially one that cost around 3k, but this whole process made me annoyed enough that I just said fuck it and went and bought the DS9. That's why I was like "thanks Timney". Not for the nonstop problems, but for being the tipping point that got me into a superior firearm.
@@JESSEverything Oh, gotcha. I missed the sarcasm in your initial comment. 😅 Yea, it seems your experience matches most of ours. When it worked it was fine, not wow but fine, and when it didn't work it was a frustrating disaster. There is no way that Timney isn't aware of this yet they continue to push the product as is without consumer advisement. It's misleading, and frankly dishonest of Timney to handle it the way that they are.
Check to see if there's a dimple at the vertical extension. If there is then it's the Gen2 and you might be OK. Still monitor until you're comfortable and remember that this isn't recommended for carry.
I have almost 3000rds through mine and never had a single hiccup. I am running a Nomad 9f frame, factory 17 gen5 slide, Timney kit with Johhny Glocks combat conversion, all other parts are stock gen5. It’s perfect. This gun has sidlined my M&Ps and PDPs.
The JG conversion alters the Alpha from its factory configuration as was the point of this test. Even then some have reported that they still experienced light strikes and sent back to JG for fine tuning.
I have a 1000 rounds through my new g19 gen 3 (CA) and the first mod I added before shooting was the timney trigger. Everything else is stock. I'm shooting Fiocchi reloads and I havent had a single malfunction.
I have two Timneys, in a gen 3 and a gen 5. Neither were fully functional until I got rid of the aftermarket connectors and put in OEM dot connectors. All has been well for about 3500 rounds between them until yesterday when the gen 5 didn't ignite one single Fiocchi small pistol primer.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Was that failure to ignite a one time thing or multiple times? I am getting mixed experiences from folks. Some are experiencing issues at the cross-section/cruciform end and others at the vertical extension/fin end or a combination of both.
I went with the Johny Glock Flat Face Trigger and that is by far the top of the food chain!!!!!! 🔥 🔥 🔥 I can't recommend it enough!!! I run it on my EDC Glock 43X MOS and LOOOOVE IT!!!!
Had an Alpha in my 19x and no problems but now i switched to an 19 Gen5 and let it Stock . Its a shtf and in my mind there is no room for funny Triggers .Best greetings from Austria 🤘🏻
@@bunnyoperatorYes it was 100%Factory 👍🏻 But to be fair - Maybe i dont shoot enough to find any Issue with the Timney ! I think i run 250 Rounds trough it . I am absolute on your side Sir! It would real piss me off if it fails everytime in a competition ☹️
Good that your sample and config works? Do you mind sharing what your setup is? Do report back as time goes on. Some folks here and my personal peers have reported failures down the line.
My Timney trigger in my Gen 5 Glock 34 started failing to reset yesterday. I’m going to look at the internals today. Sucks that so many are having this issue.
You're not the only person this has happened to. Mine failed during a match, and a few others have reported 100% success until later when they started experiencing 60-80% failure.
I have 3 Alphas. I have had one for a month in a gen 4 19, around 750 rounds through it. I have a gen 3 17 with about 500, and a gen 5 19 with about 500 through it. I have had zero malfunctions. If I have any, I will immediately admit it and look for a fix, but so far I have had none. It could be that mine are very new and are updated.
It's very possible. This video is over fairly old now and I have not seen any recent examples in person, so I cannot confirm what Timney is currently doing with the Alpha. The last update that I saw was the addition of the dimple to the vertical extension.
I just put an alpha trigger in my Glock 19 gen 3. I’m praying it works right. I really don’t want to be out $100 and have to mess with reinstalling the factory trigger. :(
I had trouble in a P80 full size frame with double firing. I replaced the trigger mechanism housing with a johnny glock over travel adjustable one and the connector with a Johnny Glock polished 5.0(.) one. This completely resolved my issues. The aftermarket stuff was slightly out of spec, at least enough to matter.
I have the timney trigger in a gen 5 34 and a gen 3 17L. I have had to issues with hundreds of rounds through each pistol. But my friend has had the same problems you have had with light strikes.in his gen 5 19 Thank you for your video.
Thanks for the data. The inconsistencies are the issues. I feel that it's a matter of when their system starts to fail as parts begin to wear. It's not as simple as swapping springs especially with the examples I've seen of alpha bars chipping or deforming from functional installs.
Had the same issue on my just installed Alpha in a Gen3....two fired out of 10 and primer strikes were unbelievably light. Used the supplied .035 hex bit and backed out the take-up screw a turn/turn & 1/8th and problem solved. Compared cases to OEM trigger fired cases and primer strikes were just as deep. Viola - problem solved. I kinda figured this was the issue because the same remedy is used when installing the Sweet Pea trigger in the Ruger LC9S Pro.
Thanks for the info. Interesting that the pre-travel adjustment affected your trigger in that manner. I wonder if it physically changes how the system sits in the frame.
Glad to say I haven't had any issues with my trigger...yet. I installed the trigger in a p80 17 frame with the red trigger spring, as well as installed a ghost 6lb striker spring due to all the videos and posts on light strikes and reset issues. So far 200 rounds no issues.
It seems to be a timing issue but everyone's individual setup seems to vary depending on parts and tolerances. I'm glad that you're not experiencing issues but continue to monitor. There was a point when I didn't experience any issues only for them to resurface the next outing. Additionally, others have reported experiencing issues later and noticeable material loss from the trigger bar.
@@bunnyoperator did u locktite the small retaining screw that you put in the bottom of the trigger housing? Possibly the screw walked out and allowed the drop in sear to move around cause excess friction? Also I think that hitting the top of the trigger bar with some sand paper could help a ton,
@@Minutes-Mils Yes, I did. As for the vertical extension our samples measured to be taller than the OEM but the Alpha physically sat lower in the frame when installed i.e. the vertical extension sat lower, and likely affecting the timing of the plunger. Removing material would be counter to our findings.
@@bunnyoperator interesting find, have you tried a different plunger spring maybe +/- the weight? I do have a reduced power plunger spring installed as well
@@Minutes-Mils One of the setups that have a higher rate of success was using a longer, aftermarket plunger such as Apex. I personally didn't do this as I was testing Timney's claim that it worked in OEM configurations without the need for a smith.
Yeah that's prob why they won't send me a new trigger bar which is fine I ran another 100 rds through it yesterday with about half of them being fast shooting and it's been perfecto...only thing I need is a trigger housing with post travel screw and I would trust it to carry
I put one in my gen 3 Glock 17 OEM lower and it worked fine for about 500 rounds. No noticeable problems from the trigger, although I was rather preoccupied with all of the problems caused by the Zaffiri slide and TiN fluted barrel (feed issues and failure to go into battery- neither was the trigger's fault). Last week, I swapped the Timney trigger and put it into a Lone Wolf frame to use with a Glock 17 slide and a Wilson Combat barrel in a new build for Limited division. I was hoping to use this gun in an upcoming USPSA match, and I needed to function check it for reliability with the new trigger. I had to use the Lone Wolf rear trigger housing because it was tapered differently than the Glock OEM housing to fit the Timberwolf frame. I took it out today and had so many problems I packed up and went home to swap the trigger back to the OEM framed Glock. I had more light strikes than I could count on factory ammo (Blazer brass 115gr), but I would estimate maybe 25-35 light strikes out of 100 rounds (some took three times through the gun before igniting). I experienced a failure to reset of the trigger at least 7-10 times in 100 rounds. Finally, and this was a bit scary, my gun went full auto at one point after a failure to reset and manually racking the slide, but I only had two rounds left in the magazine. I did have a Glock OEM connector in the trigger housing, but I cannot be too angry at Timney for not working in an aftermarket frame that is probably out of spec. After searching and finding this video, it makes sense that the striker is dragging on the trigger bar, causing the light strikes. I am not sure why I was having the reset issues. I am going to put it back into the OEM frame and test it some more for reliability.
That's unfortunate and quite a scary experience. Does your trigger bar haveba dimple at the vertical extension? The system seems to be sensitive to the connection angle and safety plunger as well. The reset issue is due to the trigger return spring design and possible drag on the frame. Frankly the Alpha just isn't executed well.
Sent my G45 in to Timney and told them to make it run. Apparently the Alpha trigger I bought was out of spec. They put in a new unit and one of they're connectors and now it runs flawlessly.
That's good that it worked out for you but it seems your malfunction experience is consistent with other. They don't have connectors on their site for sale or included with the kit, so I do find that interesting. Was there an indication of who made it?
I installed the Gen 3/4 Alpha Trigger with the aftermarket trigger spring on my Shadow Systems DR920 Elite and after 420 rounds (combined indoor gun range and outdoor USPSA Steel Pistol match), not a single light strike issue occurred whatsoever. But what I did differently was I had this trigger professionally installed by a Glock gunsmith. I didn’t want my lack of experience and knowledge causing the malfunction.
@@alexancheta9562 Thanks for the details. Did your smith indicate what needed to be done or tweaked, if at all? The Shadow products are reverse engineered off the Glock Gen 3 TDP, so the specs can vary in addition to the more performance oriented components used for the guts. The data is always useful to help determine the issues folks are experiencing.
Think you had bad luck. My setup P80 17 slide Threaded barrel Ghost connector Timney trigger (of course) Only light strikes I have ever got was when using rifle primers on 9mm. Fixed that with a longer firing pin and now I can use magnum primers and rifle primers in 9mm.
Myself and many others had that same bad luck. Comment section is filled with them as well as positive reports, so it's clear that it's not a fluke but a problem at the Timney end. They even released a firing pin and connector kit for 80 bucks more that only works with the Alpha. Go figure, they knew they had a problem. Yours isn't exactly OEM either, and we've found that aftermarket parts tend to have better success rates with the kit.
I put one in my gen 5 Glock 34 and it runs flawlessly. I then ordered another Alpha set for my gen 5 Glock 17 and it had a combination of problems at the range. First it wasn’t going into battery every once in a while and the trigger shoe wasn’t resetting. The battery issue was related to the compensator I was testing and quickly remedied that issue, but the trigger reset was due to drag of the trigger bar against the connector in the trigger housing. I switched out the grey ghost connector with a Glockstore double diamond I had on hand and reassembled it and no longer had the trigger bar binding that I had experienced. I was a Glock Armorer until I left the business side a few years back but I have to say that based on my experience the Timney Alpha system may be user installed, but it’s not entirely drop in if you have some out of spec parts.
@@bunnyoperator I completely agree with you based on your video. QC issues or engineering tolerances, it shouldn’t happen with Timney products. I do love the concept and at least with the two that I purchased, I’m satisfied with the performance gain.
@@philc481 Completely agree. It shouldn't happen from a company with such a reputation as Timney. I really hope they get their issues resolved with this system.
@@redbeard7376 Pls do. The more data the better to help others. Do you mind sharing your configuration? Is your 19 all OEM otherwise? Do you know if your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension? Thanks
@@bunnyoperator I'm not sure about the extension. I got the trigger in June, whatever they were doing for gen 5 then,. Stock aside from a 507C optic and a light. Internals stock aside from the trigger. Also got the gun in June.
@@redbeard7376 Next time you pull your slide off look at the "shark fin" on the trigger bar and see if there's a dimple on it. That'll let you know if it's the latest version. The older ones didn't. The dimple was added to help keep the bar aligned under travel allegedly.
TA with lite polish on trigger bar + connector smooth and tight no issue so far under 150 rnds G19 gen5, TA feels similar to GPT shooting to back to back at the range.
Wow, sorry to hear about your issues. I have 2 x Gen 3-4 and a Gen 5 Timney Trigger. They all worked great from the start. Comparing to my OEM Glock, from the start, the Timney struck the rounds with less force, but I didn't really experience light strikes where the round didn't go off. After about a thousand rounds, my OEM striker spring got worn where I did get light strikes. I bought new 6lb striker springs, installed them, and all is well now. The strikes are now comparable to my OEM Glock. Again, sorry to hear your issues.
@@bunnyoperator G17 Gen3: only changed out the barrel (Faxon Firearms Match Series), striker spring (NDZ 6lb spring), Timney Trigger Alpha Glock Trigger, and Wilson Combat fiber optic sights. Everything else is stock. My G19 Gen 5: Faxon Firearm Match Series threaded barrel, Herrington Arms Glock Compensator Gen 5, NDZ Performance 6lb striker spring, Wilson Combat fiber optic sights, Timney Trigger Alpha Glock Gen 5 Trigger, SLR Rifleworks magwell. Everything else is stock. PSA Dagger FS (Glock 45 clone, but Gen 3): SW2 slide cut w/ RMR footprint, Holosun 507C (green dot), Faxon Firearms Duty threaded barrel, Herrington Arms compensator, NDZ Performance 6lb striker spring, Timney Trigger Alpha Glock Gen 3-4 Trigger, SLR Rifleworks magwell. I am currently messing around with my PSA Dagger compact, where I changed out the stock connector to a NDZ Performance 3.5 polished connector, polished the trigger bar, striker safety, and striker lug section that interacts with the cruciform of the trigger bar. Swapped out trigger shoe with angled flat face trigger shoe. I am quite impressed that it dropped the pull weight to 3.5lbs.
@@Styxx2018 Thanks for sharing. Some of your parts definitely alter timing and could contribute to the successful application of the Alpha. It should help folks who choose to stay with the trigger platform.
I shoot M class in USPSA Production with nothing more than polishing and a Glock 'minus' connector. No amount of "upgrade" is worth it if you sacrifice reliability. The more skill you have, the less of these trigger systems you'll need to rely on. There are guys at the range with Timney and JGlock triggers and they are undoubtedly 'nicer' than my setup. But mine goes bang each and every time. Sometimes that adage of "less is more" is absolutely true.
Even OEM components fail or can be limited ergonomically to the individual but that's not the point of the video. People can decide for themselves what works for them and we can see from the comments that there are still folks that favor the Alpha. This video is just one data point.
That's frustrating to hear. I don't like Glocks but use Timney Triggers in my AR's and love them. They should definitely take care of anyone who bought one for their Glocks and make sure their customers are happy.
Their CS was good but product execution just wasn't there. Another viewer pointed out that Timney has recently released a striker and connector kit for $80. It might solve the issues but now the whole kit is near $250 bucks for a gamble. Hard pass.
Hell yeah! I went thru almost the same exact experience and it was 2 months of wasted time. Also I can attest to how slow they were to respond when I told them I wanted my money back…then I had to pay for shipping on my end. This experience also pushed me to try other guns with modified triggers. Other platforms such as LTT berettas and Cajunized CZs have significantly better triggers. At the end of the day a Glock is just a Glock.
Same I've moved away from Glocks. I've yet to see an aftermarket Glock trigger match the factory trigger in my Walther PPQ. The triggers in LTT Berettas and Cajunized CZs are some of the best triggers I've tried. My current favorite trigger in a pistol is the one in my CZ Custom A01-LD. I prefer it to the trigger in my Dan Wesson 1911.
@@pcckwy the best but still reliable trigger that I’ve tried for Glock is the Johnny Glock trigger. Been running it for 4 months. It just costs too much and still not as good as the other triggers I’ve mentioned.
Only issue I’ve had is reset. I actually think mine seems to get dirty from the gun powder along the trigger bar against the frame. I cleaned it and had no issues after that. I do keep an even on powder build up.
Sticky trigger is a common complaint with the Alpha. The choice to position the TRS where it is combined with the anemic spring choices seems to be the causation. I'm glad that you haven't experienced issues otherwise. Do you mind sharing your pistol internals configuration and whether or not your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension?
The only thing I installed was the trigger kit the way it comes. I have no other upgrades to the gun and it’s a Glock 34 Gen 5. I’ll have to check the other part you mentioned when I get off work.
I put the timeny alpha in my PSA Dagger, the break is fantastic, and the reset is too. The pre travel however feels like ass, and very frustrating. Also the tool that is supposed to adjust the pre travel screw didn't fit well and completely stripped my screw head. I had got it to screw in just a bit, and it was too much, i lost blade safety function. I really had a hard time backing that screw back out, and destroyed any future adjustments possibilities.
My first Timney trigger for Glock 19x. Didn’t work, the trigger wouldn’t reset. I was running a Ghost connector and springs and skeletonized striker. Had to bend my connector and remove the springs and striker back to OEM. Worked like a charm.
Keep monitoring. Majority of the problems had to do with timing issues created by out of spec trigger bars. When generation bar did you have, BTW? Was there a dimple on it?
I grinded the markings on the trigger bar and changed the plunger to Apex ultimate on my G17 gen 3. I shot 150 rounds with out a single light strike. I did not even use the 6 pound spring for the striker.
@@bunnyoperator no I bought mine back in June 2021. I will update you if it develop light strike but hopefully not. It's weird that it works on others and not across the board.
@@Anthony74te27 Definitely appreciate the info. Yea, definitely unusual. From measuring the few I've had and others measuring theirs the bars appear to be dimensionally all over the place. It does seem that an aftermarket plunger that is longer than OEM seems to help. That suggests that the Alpha's bar affects timing negatively until adjusted.
@@bunnyoperator I think you are absolutely right, Timney's quality control is all over the place. I'm just glad that after 150 rounds not a single light strike.
Today I shot 200 rounds of 115 Fiocchi & 50 rounds of 115 grain Winchester Service duty FMJ on my G17 and I had 1 light strike. I wiped the black dirt on the plunger and squirt a little oil on top of the trigger bar and it seems to stop it. Not 100% but waaaay better than before.
I have the Timney Alpha in my G34. I have had the exact problems. I took my gun to a gun smith 3 different times. Finally, after messing with it ( fine tuning .) It seems to be running well. Close to 10k thru it now. I do think running the crap out of it has helped as well.
@@smcwhinney69 Yea, tuning is definitely required of this item. It wouldn't be a problem if they were forthcoming with it so people can decide for themselves. They claimed drop in and compatibility with OEM when it's not.
I have a paperweight psa dagger atm...dagger frame, dagger slide, dagger threaded barrel. Timney alpha glock competition trigger, ndz g17 gen 3 pieces for the rest of the smaller pieces except the slide lock lever. Thats from tyrant and i have a comp from them as well. Shadow systems fire control group ndz extractor and engraved backplate. Put a swamp fox red dot and cross armory co-whitness sights. I also have a gogun gas pedal. So my budget pistol is not a budget friendly build....and is getting light strikes at the moment so i have a ghost 6 lb firing pin spring coming. Im confident it will work.
@@jeremybutler2578 Keep us posted. Check to see how the Alpha's vertical extension is engaging the plunger as well. The timing variance should give you an idea if your spring will work.
Report back with your experiences. Check the trigger bar to see if there's a bump at the vertical extension. That should show that it's "gen 3" of the Alpha design.
I also had the issue of the trigger safety tab not resetting at first but it went away after some dry firing. Sucks you had so many issues. I've tried so many aftermarket Glock triggers yet I still haven't found any that I was really happy with. I've pretty much given up on Glocks because of it.
I just installed mine again with a stock striker spring this time. Last time I had so many LPS that it was not shootable. That was with a 3.5 pound firing pin spring. Wish me luck. lol
@@bunnyoperator Timney sent me an updated tigger bar so they say. But I'm still getting lps. I'm going to try a factory 5.5 lb firing pin spring and a 6.0 lb. And go back to my factory trigger safety plunger and spring. Will see what happens. If this doesn't work I give up. Going back to my dependable Apex.
That sux both ways because I was looking to buy 1 of those 2 trigger kits. I'll just stick with my Polished G19X trigger assembly w/ a PSA Dagger SW4 GatorMouth cut Slide. The trigger actually feels better with a more positive reset now that I have a Gen 3 upper on my Gen 5 G19X frame 🤟
The only problem I had with my gen 5 and the alpha kit was it was dragging somewhere with the factory connector. I bent the stock connector then swapped it for a lone wolf. No light primer strikes no malfunctions.
There is a gen 3 trigger with bump at the vertical extension. If they send you a new trigger bar, make sure it has that. I don't have enough data on it yet but some folks have reported it has fixed their issues then again Timney also has their connector and firing pin kit for the Alpha too. Keep us posted.
My Gen 5 Glock 19 Timney Alpha works flawlessly, I also drilled out and added a set screw to prevent the trigger bar creeping further back on cycling. Sucks you had such problems.
Yes, myself and others reporting here. It's a sensitive trigger. Many have reported experiencing issues later, so keep monitoring and inspect if the behavior changes.
I would say i am around 2000-2500 rounds in and no misfires. Man, now I have to question ordering the Gen 3 for my SS DR920 I just got the other day. I wonder if there is less issues with the Gen 5 models. @@bunnyoperator
@@loosegoosageify I have seen failures on 4 different Gen 5 Alphas, so it's hard say. It does seem that using aftermarket components in addition can potentially aid in reliability provided you're tuning the timing.
Damn out of how many? The Gen3 one I want is $113 on OP, I guess given the price I may just have to give it a go. I was already considering that it may not work out since SS says they don't necessarily give their blessing. @@bunnyoperator
@@bunnyoperator Just wanted to double back on my response. I have since put about 3500 rounds on my gen 5 clock 19 and now roughly 1000 or so on my shadow systems dr920 with gen 3 alpha trigger with not a single misfire. I am still contemplating doing the same with the dr920 as did with the g19, adding a set screw to eliminate trigger creep. Seems I have gotten lucky on both my timney alphas.
Glock OEM Performance Trigger -> Johnny Glocks Shoe -> Dot connector -> 6lb Striker Spring = best Glock trigger in existence (that’s actually reliable and has a strong reset)
That's basically a 200+ trigger and well over the cost that I'm willing to spend for marginal gain over OEM. It also doesn't help that the Alpha doesn't work for me to begin with.
Yeah, when binary happens, It can happen faster than fully auto because your manually feeling. As soon as that striker gets pulled back, you can literally release your trigger in. If you're tempo is right, you can shoot way faster.
Where exactly? Also, I put a completely factory 35 slide and it functioned perfectly today. I then swapped a completely factory 17 slide on it and had light strikes on federal 115 ammo
@@SuperBoostedcivic on the shark fin. If there's a dimple it's the 2nd revision of the trigger bar. That just goes to show you how sensitive the design is.
I installed the Timney Alpha Pro trigger in my G17, Gen3. I would get one light primer strike per 400rds. and the unit totally failed at 5500+ rds with continual light primer strikes. I will get a new assy. from Timney per their lifetime warranty, after I send them (at my expense) my broken one, but I ordered a ZEV Tech trigger assy. and will try that next. IMO, the stock Glock trigger makes the gun feel pedestrian and not fun to shoot, especially compared to my 1911 trigger.
Thanks for the data. That's unfortunate. The Alpha definitely requires tuning to get it to function properly. Timney just isn't open about that in the product description. Super misleading.
So I have the Agency Arms trigger for my Gen 5 and I’ve heard a lot of people having problems with the pin walking out also…..that being said I’ve put close to 1800 rounds on it without a problem so far. I am keeping an eye on it though along with my Gen 3 Agency trigger. Hopefully you get the Timney figured out man!
I had the same light strikes on my 19, swapped out to my 17 (brownells slide) rest oem and couldn't be happier. Seems to be a tolerance stacking issue.
Definitely a spec inconsistencies + tolerance stacking. Brownell's slides have been interesting as of late also. Their product review pages pretty much explains it.
I have the 1.0 timney glonk trigger and had issues with light strikes before I switched to a 6lb striker spring there still occasionally is a light strike but not often. Figured it was because there was all ZEV trigger parts and springs installed before I put the timney in and they didnt want to work with each other like oem stuff would have.
I purchased the Timney Trigger for my Glock 31 Gen 4. My problem is the trigger will not reset. At bench it functions just fine. At the range, 2 shots are good, then the trigger will not reset. Usually it takes several minutes to get the slide off the frame. Then at the bench it functions, but upon firing a couple of rounds the trigger is dead.
Thank you very much for Video I have a big issue with Trigger Rest on this Timney Alpha trigger for GEN 5. Small issue immediately after intial installation, and after atlist 1000 rounds become a big issue: Stop to reste
Thanks for the video. I'm getting rid of my Timney Trigger. Can't get the thing to work right. Sent two emails to Timney for assistance and they've ignored both. Regret that I bought this thing.
That seems to be a reoccurring theme for Timney. Some people get a response and some are seemingly ignored. Try to get a refund from where ever you ordered from as an alternative.
This review is too factual and “science-y” for me. I like my reviews delving 3 to 4 hours on how “a buddy” observed a problem, another 2 hours into how the Vlogger “felt” and the rest with recommending another untested product as a replacement. 😎
FML. A year later, I purchased the Timney Alpha trigger and had the EXACT same issues PLUS it was firing upon reset. They STILL haven't fixed the issues. Ridiculous.
I bought the timney alpha because A. It was on sale for 99.993 at PSA website and B. An acquaintance of mine has 3 of them on various glocks and highly recommended them. I got it for my gen 5 Glock 19. I have it paired with a ghost Edge 3.5# connector but with the heavier trigger spring not the red one because with the red one the pull was so light it was like there was no wall and there were 2 occasions running warm up draw and shoots where the gun went off when I was still raising it to eye level so I swapped out the springs and gave it some more take up and that setup has been great for just the range and competition with about 200 RDS thru it with no issues....also put 200rds with just the stock connector and the regular spring with less take up and have had no issues at all! A recruit in the militia I help run wanted to do a piece on it in his UA-cam channel which is nothing new with him and my builds so I obliged but the next day when returning it he mentions oh I gave it a nice trigger job for you (I recently taught him the art of trigger jobs on 1911s ajd glocks and ARs) which he won't make that mistake again after the ass chewing I gave him and what his duties are for the next 3 months. Anywho the trigger seems to still be functioning fine but honestly it feels a little...tighter? Stickier? Grippier? Like usually a trigger job lightens up the pull and makes it smoother but I feel like it did the opposite and that it made it slightly tighter on the pull. Regardless I reached out to Timney telling them about the situation and they said while normally this wouldn't be covered under warranty repair or service that they would do me a one time courtesy and replace the trigger bar if I sent it in ..but after watching this video ajd hearing you talk about the variation in measurements of the trigger bars that maybe I should not send it in and just deal with it not habing the coating on the trigger and it being just slightly tighter
That's up to you, buddy. If your bar doesn't have a dimple on it send it in but if it does then that's your call. I don't know what the latest generations of changes have occurred past the new versions with the dimples.
@@bunnyoperator up to me for real? You sure I shouldn't maybe get my mother's opinion? Lol so Timney told me I should not pair the trigger with the ghost connector and that I should put the stock connector back on because it could cause automatic firing in the gun! My reply was yes paired with the red spring like the directions says to do with an aftermarket connector there is an almost imperceivable wall before the break and I could totally see that happening, thanks for affirming my guess that it may do that so that I can try tweaking it a bit and avoid buying a switch online! Will take into consideration when I try adjusting the connector tension! Hehehe
@@OuterHeavenTactical The dimple should be at the trigger bar vertical extension like on the OEM Gen 4 trigger bars. Mine didn't have them but the revised versions that came out later had them, however people have reported that they still had light strikes with that version.
The issue when it happened to me, was the timney trigger bar wasnt riding close enough to the factory connector. Dont bend the trigger bar. Just replace or adjust/bend the connector a little closer to the bar. After doing this, you will get a super crisp reset with no drop safety fails or light strikes. I would never recommend fully polishing this trigger
@@bunnyoperator Gotcha, sorry it isn't working out. There are lots of spec measurements with this trigger that need to be adjusted to create overall proper engagement with oem components. You pretty much have to be a glock-smith to set it up safely
@@The_Sandman___ Totally agree, which is also counter to Timney's claim that a gunsmith isn't needed. This is really unfortunate considering their track record and general acceptance as a leading aftermarket trigger maker. I suppose it should be expected considering how drastically altered the Alpha is from the OEM system.
@@bunnyoperator The hardest adjustment I had to make was the C-washer and screw on the bottom of the trigger pack. It sets the hieght of the seer engagement bar. The installation instructions arent very detailed on this part. The screw and washer must first be fully tightened then backed off one 1/4 turn as well.
@@The_Sandman___ It's also important to note that that C clip addition is their 2nd gen of the Alpha system, and oddly the gen 1 folks without the C clip seem to have better success with the system. Something happened in how Timney did things between gen 1 and gen 2 but they are aware of the issues and don't appear to be addressing the underlying issues leaving the consumer market to make the Alpha work as opposed to fixing the issues on their end.
My glock 19x with alpha trigger went off without me pressing the trigger today at a match. Happened during a reload when I slammed a new magazine in with a round in the chamber.
Woah. Yours might be the first example reported directly to me. Was your 19X OEM otherwise? Do you know which Gen Alpha it was as in if it had a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator all sock internals other than the trigger. I am running a Grey ghost slide other than that the whole gun is stock. Not sure what generation the trigger is. I don't think it has a dimple. I'll check later. I ripped it out yesterday and put the factory one back in. Ordered a glock performance trigger today.
@@bunnyoperator yeah firing pin damaged Contacted Timney they want me to send my firearm out but I already took it to a trusted gunsmith. They advised to not to use the timney trigger with my Zev OZ9 slide. I mean I think I speak for everyone, there’s no point to keep it a Glock completely stock with just a trigger. I’m kinda annoyed about it
Wow. That's really bad. Thank you for making this video. I haven't seen any other videos addressing the issues to this level like you have. Some channels hinted but didn't address the issues. No thanks, Timney. I'll pass.
Yea, it's really unfortunate. I've watched some of those videos also and a few address the like strikes but nothing about the trigger bar extension/fin and other issues.
I run Timney triggers on two Glocks (G17 and G45) and 2 Shadow Systems (XR920 and MR920) with over 5,000 rounds combined and zero malfunctions. Sorry about your troubles but I doubt it is the trigger that is causing the issue.
Please provide your details of your setups. Are your internals OEM? What gen is your G17? Shadow Systems "Glocks" aren't exactly OEM either, so they don't apply to the test here. You assume that it's not a trigger problem based on your anecdote but the data from others in the comment section suggest otherwise.
@@bunnyoperator My Glock 17 and Glock 45 are both Gen 5. The Glock 45 is all OEM except for the trigger and the iron sights-which it is irrelevant. The Glock 17 has a “Minus Connector” and titanium guide rod with OEM spring. The Shadow Systems are basically “improved” Gen 4 Glocks. They are both stock except for the triggers. I understand that your data suggests a trigger problem but it is hard for me to accept your interpretation of the data when I run 4 different systems with several thousands of rounds without a single malfunction, trigger related or otherwise! If I were you I would expedite the pistol to Timney and let them sort it out since they offered. It would solve your problem and help the community that it is experiencing the same issue. Cheers friend and good luck trouble shooting this issue. I know it can be very frustrating.
@@Duda4711 Thank you for the details. It helps to corroborate other theories. I will disagree that the Shadow Systems is "stock". It may be based on the Glock platform but it is not the same just as the Zev and PSA variants are not the same. Variations in dimensions affect timing and parts compatibility. This video covers Timney's claim that the Alpha works with OEM configs without the need for a smith, which was found to be incorrect. The triggers have already gone back to Timney, and it is up to them to identify the issues with them, since neither worked in my OEM configurations including my stock G17 slide. Your suggestion to take up Timney's offer is exactly needing a smith to install the trigger, which goes against Timney's claim. Since this video, myself and others have determined geometry measurements specific to several examples of the Timney Alpha bar. The consensus is that the vertical extension does not depress the plunger enough causing interference with the striker i.e. affecting the timing. Mic-ing the parts, we've consistently determined that although the Alpha's vertical extension is longer than OEM in relation to the bar's main body, when installed our examples physically sat lower in the frame. Bending the vertical extension in addition to using a longer, aftermarket plunger such as the Apex plunger helped to alleviate the issue. We've done extensive testing, and were quite careful with our data before presenting it to avoid slandering a company's product, especially of one with such a long history of positive components. It's not just me with this experience but a collective of others inside and outside the industry, some of which received better CS than I did because they went through official company email channels while I used my personal. That was done intentionally to check Timney's CS response. Regardless, Timney's CS was top notch but their Alpha design did not live up to their claims. That was the point of this video. Their design simply did not account for the tolerance stacking that can occur, and in the several reported examples that are out there on UA-cam and the forums, they didn't accommodate for the margin of error or variances with OEM configurations. Additionally, some folks are now reporting material loss from the trigger bar. We are monitoring those closely as well. We are waiting on additional data before releasing a follow-up video. Don't discredit data because it doesn't match your experiences. Just because it didn't happen to you does not mean it doesn't happen. That being said, the Enhanced Feel Shoes that I received as replacement are performing quite well, which was expected since they don't modify the system internally.
@@bunnyoperator I commend you on your quest to identify the issue. Coincidentally, a close friend just installed a Timney on his G17 gen 4 and immediately started experiencing light strikes. I immediately assumed my arrogant attitude and told him that it was not possible. After attempting to trouble shoot his pistol for several hours I gave up and now I can trully relate to your frustration. I developed a hypothesis that the tolerances for the specs of the new batches (post Covid) are not as rigid as pre-Covid since all of my triggers are older. I thought I would pass that on to see if you can find a correlation between failiures and age of triggers. Good luck!
@@Duda4711 The data does suggest that Gen1 kits performed better although they had their own reported issues, which were supposed to have been alleviated by the C-clip addition but apparently not. Anemic reset as well but that's more of a preference thing.
I try to take everything with a grain of salt and understand that the Internet is overrun with all types of people and their opinions. Yet somehow I’m able to learn a little bit from everyone of them. I’m happy to say that my stuff runs just right. That being said I noticed that you have 19 minutes and 27 seconds of upload that never once mentioned the striker or striker spring which I think most will realize is a factor. I like the pinned comment about the special striker and spring. Imagine that a simple solution.
Their striker and connector combo wasn't available until recently i.e. after my video. My components less the Alpha were OEM as noted in the video and the purpose of this was showing that their Alpha did not work with oem as they claimed on their site. Aftermarket components were not the factor here; however, data suggests that aftermarket components may lead to higher success rates. If you would, please note your setup to help others and provide an additional data point. Thanks
I have an alpha in my gen 3 with about 150rds of blazer brass no issue. If I have any problems though I'll report back. No modifications to the kit I am however running a lighter safety plunger spring from a zev trigger kit. I forgot that was in there. That said if I was buying a kit today I would buy the Glock performance trigger and use the timney shoe. (If you can, have not tried)
@@bunnyoperator it's possible. I got the kit early on when they first hit the market and don't shoot that particular pistol that often but I'll send some lead down range and see what happens. So far it's been alright, but it's still not the best trigger I have. I have a really good feeling apex ffs in an M&P that's pretty clean and a Gray Guns comp kit that's pretty buttery too. I like the idea, but glock did it better by retaining the cruciform.
@@tokin420nchokin Agreed. I suspect the majority of the issues folks are experiencing is due to the unretained trigger bar. There's enough play to cause shift during movement and mess with timing.
I have a Glock 19 Gen 3 with the Alpha installed with a Travis Hailey connector. Complete Slide and barrel is a Grey Ghost Precision, so not so much Glock anymore. Absolutely no issues with various brands of ammo. This is my carry gun and I trust it. The difference between this and a stock Glock is night and day. Trigger feel is closer to my Kimber 1911. Double tapping on multiple targets is a breeze. Please spare me the BS about 3 lbs being too light for a carry gun. My trigger finger and my training is my safety.
I don't think anyone cares about your trigger pull weight. It's on you after all. Good that your combo is working well for you. Did you mod the reset spring or didn't care about the anemic reset?
The problem that a lot of people are having with the timney setup including myself is that some days it runs like a raped ape then some days every 5 rounds is a misfire. In the end the stock Glock trigger is reliable and because it's built to accomadate a larger range of tolerances and still work. The timney trigger feels so good because it has very tight tolerances and modifies the operating mechanism in a way the gun was not designed to accommodate for. I decided to return my trigger because I don't want my gun to stop working when I least expect it or start giving me problems cause its a little bit dirty. That's my take on it.
@@Robbie6298 Pretty much this. Definitely wouldn't use this system for defense purposes. OEM bar at min with whatever shoe fits your fancy should be the aim.
Speaking as a Glock owner myself, I would never expect to have a nice trigger like a race gun for reliability. I love Glock Bc they are simple and RELIABLE when stock. They just are what they are. A LEO gun designed to fire when needed to do so. The trigger tolerance gives the stressed end user the leeway to not accidentally shoot too early. Which, is not what you want in a competition. I'ts a service pistol design. Soooo yea. Its rough like Kalashnikov. Just like you can't make an F150 beat a Ferrari... (Okay hold my beer). No but really its fun to tinker and expand on wonderfully reliable and affordable platforms like Glock. But at the end of the day you either have a purpose built Frankenstein that works or is a dumpsterfire... with that said I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my Timeney pyramid trigger for my G20 SG.... so....w will see what happens!😅
@@attybong Yes, basically. I wasn't the only person in my immediate circle to experience these failures. We even spoke with the folks at TTI and they advised that a lot of tuning was required to hey the Alpha to be reliable. Timney should have never claimed it to be compatible with OEM or alluded that it was a drop-in type trigger system.
@@attybong It definitely is a better executed design than the Alpha but it still requires regular lubing to keep it going. It has been 100% reliable in my testing but note that you can't treat it like the standard OEM trigger and neglect it. LOL
Good video man, gunsmith (FFL) here , just got my first (non tinkerer customer) glock drop off today with a timney install request...trigger is super jank man...super bad drag and upon basic install, slide was completely locked due to the bar "snagging"
@@bunnyoperator gen 3 G17, im actually having to let my homies at our local shop know that they gotta be weary of selling these triggers for more so of a safety precaution / functionality deal
@@TheRealSappii That's a good idea. Timney did release a firing pin and connector kit for the Alpha for 80 bucks more (ridiculous) and still won't publicly admit there's a problem with the Alpha. I've installed it on a buddy's Gen5 with Alpha after he started experiencing light strikes. So far 80% success which is better than the 40% previously but still not promising. I believe their kit alters the timing causing the FP to hit the safety plunger. This is further supported by the longer extension on their FP as well as the different shape and angle of their connecter. I have photos in my IG but will make an update video at some point.
I have a gen 3 and gen 5. Gen 3 had 2 light strikes out of 100 and gen 5 has pretty serious striker drag and cant get teigger to reset. Going to polish the hell out of it and go from there
Glock 34 Gen 5. This pistol shoots flawlessly in stock form. The alpha will not shoot at all with a loaded mag. It will work every time when fed single shot without the mag installed. I think the loaded mag is able to lift the slide enough to not let the striker block disengage. The trigger bar is late lifting up the block or is not lifting high enough. The loaded mag has a lot of upward push on the slide. Talked to Timeny and they have a new trigger bar to fix this problem as of 09/15/2022
@@bunnyoperator no light strikes but when the trigger resets, it does just enough to be able to shoot again but not enough to where the red safety sticks back out, so basically I could take my next shoot just pulling the side of the trigger without touching the trigger safety. it's taking a long time to stick out, in some case 5 -8 seconds after I release the trigger. I feel like the red spring is still to weak and also the trigger safety rubs ever slightly with the frame and it delays it.
@@JC-gy5bh That's the same issue I experienced initially with the 2nd trigger. The sticky tab on mine eventually went away on it's own but it's definitely concerning. It could be the pretravel adjustment on yours but might not be considering that it resets enough to fire.
Glock 34 gen 5 timney alpha trigger. Reset sticks with silver spring. Trigger bar rubs up against right slide relese lever. If you wiggle the slide release or hold it down while using the trigger it clears the trigger bar and works fine. Seems to me when the bar comes out of the trigger shoe, it comes out crooked, effectively making the trigger bar move to the right and slide against the slide release. Going to try the putple spring and see what happends. Thanks for the awesome video!
It does seem that the bar being un-captured moves under travel and creates timing issues. Of course I dislike how they handled the trigger return spring design as well. Un-captured and weak AF. 😂
I have the Timney in my OZ9C without issue but it has the JG combat upgrade. I have about 1500 rds through it. I also have one for my OZ9 but haven’t installed it. I really don’t mind the stock ZEV trigger on a range gun just don’t care for the rolling break as a carry option.
It's good that it works for you. I do caution that the Alpha was specifically designed as a competition trigger not carry. Johnny Glock has his mod for carry though.
I purchased one last week and emailed them yesterday asking why is it taking so long to ship. The response was "my apologies for the delay and that you were not notified. We experienced an issue in production with those triggers, but it has been resolved and we will be fulfilling orders soon. About 2 to 3 weeks." smh makes me want to cancel my order
There must be an issue with your firing pin block..it might be that the trigger bar does not push firing pin block fully so as it causes premature setting of your firing pin that causes dud or light strike on the primer,just check on that and you'll be fine..GlockDoctor
I suspect that's exactly what it is. I am using OEM slide components, and have swapped slides to the same result. The test confirmed that the Alpha did not work with OEM components as they advertised and it's not the end user's responsibility to make their trigger work.
@@bunnyoperator saw a guy use a clear backplate and try an mic striker distance. .5mm less on the Timney the recommendation was to go to a 6 lb trigger spring to make up for the lost spring compression/ firing pin velocity. Agreed though, Timney should do a little more research although this is designed for a Glock not a polymer 80 mine didn’t work in my polymer 80 either. False resets wierd trigger feel. GTG in my dagger, with a lil massaging on the frame for the safety blade.
Well I haven't gotten the sluggish reset worked out. I may have a light trigger strike waiting to greet me when I get to the range but I ain't made it that far yet. I've tried both springs in the kit to no avail and then ordered the Johnny Glocks return spring and while it was better it still didn't fix the problem. This trigger is sluggish to reset and its an intermittent problem. Sometimes it works just fine and sometimes it doesn't. One thing I know for sure, I refuse to put anymore money into this. I'm gonna go back to my Agency trigger I've had enough.
A friend at the local range recently updated his gen 3 g19 with a Timney. He liked it except that he too was having about one light strike per magazine. I have a g19 with a Ghost Rocket connector, which requires some tuning. I have access to a mill so I was able to get rid of almost all of the overtravel. Quite frankly, I like my trigger better with just a $30 connector change.
I haven't shot with my Timney trigger yet but it sure feels like it's going to have light strikes. The snap sound and feel of dry firing the trigger verses my factory triggers in my 17, 27, 43 and 42 is way less of a sound and snap feel than with the Timney trigger. 1 light strike out of 100 rounds is unacceptable. I've never had a light strike out of a Glock. The factory Glock trigger bar catches the firing pin, then as you pull the trigger it further compresses the firing pin spring, giving it a harder strike on the primer. The Timney trigger doesn't compress the firing pin spring beyond the compression it's under when it's cocked.
Your firing pin might be contacting the plunger. The general consensus is that the Alpha affects timing, and sometimes to the point of causing malfunctions. Allegedly there is a new trigger bar out but I haven't seen one yet. I do know that the firing pin & connector kit they also sell did not solve my buddy's problems.
@@bunnyoperator If they have the plunger timing off, that's a big screw up. The shape of the trigger bar should be pretty simple to design and they can simulate the movements in Auto CAD before they machine the stamp mold used to stamp out the trigger bars. I would think a company known for great and expensive triggers would be above making that mistake. But then again, here is your video showing it causing your gun to fail.
@@CarbonGlassMan What's interesting is another commenter noted that there is a revised trigger bar with indentation dimple on the vertical extension similar to the Gen4 oem bar. They're probably thinking that would stabilize the bar but I'll wait for feedback on that. I'm sure we remember the folks stating the drag and heavier weight felt from the oem Gen4 due to the dimple.
@@bunnyoperator I don't believe that the dimple is there to stabilize the bar but to distinguish between the revised bar and the one being replaced. The new bar's striker block disconnecter is about .020" higher.
@@bunnyoperator I never liked the gen 4 trigger. I have a gen 4 G17 and one of the first things I did to it was replace the gen 4 trigger with a gen 3 trigger bar with a Ghost connector. After that it felt just like my gen 3 G23.
@@ferdivisser1983 There's a Gen 2 bar out now but Timney hasn't made it public knowledge at all. They're handling this worse than the Sig P320 voluntary upgrade. 😂
I have the gen 5 alpha trigger I installed it myself on my Glock 19 gen 5 and I have well over 2,000 rounds through it I have not had one malfunction out of it
Just purchased the timney alpha trigger for my glock 17 gen 5 and I hope it doesn't have the light strike issue :/. Also purchased the Johnny glock's trigger. Will test it out and see on weekend.
@@bunnyoperator Ordered right before watching your video, from black box customs. I'm not sure yet, it's sitting in the post office and will pick it up tomorrow. I'm planning to try it out on weekend and see.
@@bunnyoperator so, the trigger bar doesn't have a dimple on it and I started seeing some marking on the trigger bar caused by the firing pin block having contact with it. That is not a good indicator, to me seems the firing block have contact with the trigger bar possibly adding friction and slowing the firing pin down. I observed a few times the trigger is not able to reset by itself. Not sure lubricating will solve the problem.
@@jasonliu3202 Thanks for reporting back. That's a previous gen trigger bar. If you're experiencing problems, email Timney for a replacement gen3 bar. The FP is dragging or contacting the plunger in the examples I've seen. It causes a timing alteration basically. Connector contact is apparently also a factor with this system. As for the lag in reset, if you're using the red spring already then it's either the shoe dragging on your frame, the bar dragging elsewhere, or the pre travel setting needs adjustment. Everyone seems to have a different experience with these. Good luck.
@@bunnyoperator I tried both the red spring and the silver one. Red doesn't seem to have the reset issue but the silver does. I prefer the silver tho feel like it has shorter pre-travel. I will try lubricating it to see if these things improved. I'm planning to visit the range tomorrow and do some live firing test. Thanks for the suggestions!!
So I've been going through these issues on my own for a while. I've noticed they are very picky about the connector, they don't like being dirty, they like the red spring best, and frame to slide fit is important. I've discovered something this weekend, look at your firing pin/ striker. I noticed my safety ledge was damaged, I replaced my striker and it stopped working! I tried to dry fire it a few times and it would only break on the second try if at all. Replaced the old striker and it worked fine. When I looked at the new striker that hadn't been fired it was already getting the same wear. I bet your lite strikes are firing pin drag. Strangely enough I haven't had light strikes until today when I put a 4 pounds striker spring in it when I put the old striker back in it.
What a coincidence... Timney released a Firing Pin & Connector kit for 80 bucks specifically for use in the Alpha kit. Now the total kit is nearly 250 bucks for something that may or may not work with your Glock.
Had the same issue. "Fixed" it by shooting a countless amount of rounds through the gun and letting the mechanical action and "natural" wear of the parts do their work. But i agree this was extremely annoying. My light strikes indicated that the slide was out of battery due to their offcenter nature.
I’ve had the same issues and was able to get the light strike ratio down from 1:2 to 1:5 with polishing. It’s still not acceptable though. I’ve had four attempted emails with their customer service and have only gotten one reply. It’s frustrating and a damn shame.
@@bunnyoperator I really wanted it to work. I've installed and used a few earlier versions and they have been ok. I wish the triggers that have gone out in the past 6 months have been as good (but haven't).
New Timney runner here, What’s ups with all these aftermarket kits failing , the whole point is to be improved over stock. I’m getting double fires, and some safety plunger drag
I hear ya. It's saddening. Reach out to Timney and see what they say. Another follower mentioned that Timney took 2 weeks to reply and stated that a replacement trigger would be sent in 2-weeks due to back order. I am wondering if they've altered the design for new inventory. I guess we'll know eventually.
@@bunnyoperator Maby I got the “corrected version” from yours which now causes it to double fire now 1/10 times . Idk not a single dud though yet so somethings going on over there
Yeah I have one on my glock19x and I got several light primer strikes and a few times it lagged with the trigger reset. I'm putting the stock trigger back in
@@irongiant_actual OK there is a gen 3 (technically), so you could try to request a replacement bar from Timney CS if you want to keep trying it. There's also a striker/connector kit for 80 bucks more but that just makes the whole thing way too expensive. 😂
I purchased the Timney Alpha and the Johnny Glocks Timney Combat Conversion Kit plus his Timney Enhanced Vex trigger shoe upgrade - making the trigger setup just under $400 - and it still doesn’t work.
Damn, that sucks. You ordered the parts separately or had him do the work?
@@bunnyoperator ordered the parts separately, installed it myself. I’m having a grinding or friction issue which also creates a timing issue. My slide at times doesn’t return to battery and it causes all sorts of malfunctions.
@@harisbabic333 Thanks for providing the info. It's unfortunate that Timney and shops that run the Alpha aren't openly advising that the Alpha requires fine tuning to get it to function. This is probably why JG alludes that folks should send in their parts, if not entire frame, to him for fitting.
Ima send my Glock 29 because some how it’s not just right my other ones are good but this one is funky
@@elramo13 Keep us posted
Thanks for all of the detailed information. Very helpful.
With this trigger I've had light strikes only with ammo that has Berdan primers.
And reset issues too. Swapped in the red spring and it's been fine so far.
Have this trigger in my sct frame with heavy striker spring . The trigger safety shoe was rubbing the frame not letting the trigger reset. A very light sanding at the contact area made it worked perfect . A very Slight downward bend on the trigger bar where it meets the sear got rid of and creep. I have 500 rounds through it with no failures .
Thanks for the info. Don't see a lot of user end feedback on the SCTs over the P80s. Probably because it's serialized.
At the insane high price i would expect it to run flawless out the box which it clearly doesnt as claimed. No go for me
Exactly what happened with mine.
Sending mine back without even trying it. Don’t need the potential hassel when there are so many proven triggers available. Thanks for the detailed description of the issues you encountered.
Agreed. Had I known I would've passed from buying at all. The shills on social media fooled me on this.
installed mine in a SS DR920P and it's been flawless after over 700 rounds
Does your trigger bar with a dimple at the vertical extension? SS did alter their design a from oem G, so good to know your example is working with those parts. Keep it going and report back.
Best video for the Timney Alpha Trigger. I had a gunsmith, who had installed several of them, including 3 on his personal Glocks. He installed it on my Glock 26 gen 3. Well, I got 50 good rounds out of it, before massive reliability problems. The take-up disappeared, and it was like a 1911, right at the wall, which by-passed the safety. Also, it started to not reset, sort of like a dead trigger, but if you kept moving your finger, it would fire, very unsafe. In dry fire it would reset every time, weird. My gunsmith wanted to try and fix it, like bend the OEM connector. I told him take it out immediately. It is not worth having a nice candy ass break, to give up on the 3 best things about a Glock trigger. Reliability, Safety, and that incredible strong tactile Re-Set, especially on the Gen 3.
Very true. Timney's marketing is misleading, and they aren't transparent about the level of mods required. Do you recall if the trigger bars had dimples at the vertical extensions?
I will have an updated video to this later. Timney has made a few changes but the problems are still there. There is an inherent design problem paired with their lack of QC.
@@bunnyoperator We called Timney, and they were very polite. My Glock 26, was made in 2001, and has the 3 pins. My gunsmith noticed the locking block looked a little different, so he compared it to a new gen 3 26, he had in the shop. The locking block was indeed a little different. Timney immediately said that they wouldn’t recommend the Timney Alpha in that older gen 3 model. Why couldn’t they warn us before we went through all the trouble installing, and going to range shooting?
@@gracedagostino5231 Yes, that is unfortunate. I don't believe a disclaimer was added, which is irresponsible.
ordered in December 2023, same issues, just returned. i got about 70 rounds through then the misfires, dead trigger you mention, not resetting... when id rack the slide, the next chambered round would go off... so unsafe man.
That is unfortunate. I have one of these in my 19 and haven't had any issues through about 300 rds so far. I guess I will have to keep a close eye on it from here forward.
Great vid
Yes, keep watching. The issues arose later for some of the folks I've spoken to.
Have both Gen3 Timney Alpha in my G17, and Gen5 Timney Alpha in my G45. Both triggers purchased early 2021. All stock Glock springs with Glock minus “-“ connectors.
2k-4k rounds on G17.
4K-6k rounds on G45.
With all types factory new ammo n factory reloads.
Not one single issue on either. I regularly shoot IDPA and occasional USPSA.
Only mod I made to Timney trigger was the original kits shipped with one L-Spring which caused trigger pull to be very light and consequently caused a slow trigger reset since same spring used for both. I replaced L-Spring with a McMaster L-Spring; #9287K78, 1lb, 2.25coils, 0.187” shaft diameter. $4.19ea.
Had to trim the legs slightly but now have 4-4.5lb trigger pull and snappy reset. I prefer the heavier trigger pull and find that I don’t feel it since Timney is a single stage trigger and not 2 stage as in the stock Glock trigger.
When Timney came out with the heavier L-Spring due to slow reset complaints, I gave that a try on both my Glocks, but found I much preferred the reset response using the McMaster spring. My shooting buddy got his Timney Alpha around the same time I did for his Gen3 G19, and also has experienced no issues whatsoever in over 3k rounds.
I guess we’re some of the lucky ones with no issues. Hope this helps.
Thank you for your data point. I have also read up of folks swapping their trigger return springs for ones found at the local hardware store.
It is pretty much a "use with caution and monitor" trigger. There are too many issues reported for anyone to trust these wholeheartedly and you are correct that there are the lucky examples out there.
It is very concerning that so many of these have reported issues, and I am continuously receiving more examples each week.
So far the Enhanced Feel Shoe isn't giving me issues but time will tell with that one. Stay tuned for updates as more data is collected.
Thank you for McMaster info. I can’t find exact match of k78. Can you help please
Great video with solid content as always. You gave it way more effort than most would to try and make it work. Thanks for always educating us fans
I'm not normally a gear reviewer type but it was necessary to share my experiences and the experiences of others for this item.
I absolutely LOVE the Timney Alpha. It's the reason why I got frustrated enough to rage purchase my Masterpiece Arms DS9 Commander. Thanks!
That's good your experience was positive. Care to share your setup? Glock gen, Alpha gen, internals configuration, round count after install, etc...
@@bunnyoperator Unfortunately, my experience with the Timney Alpha was not positive. When it ran well it felt great, but I was getting a combination of light strikes and the trigger safety hanging up on the frame. Eventually I just went back to a stock trigger. I had been on the fence about buying another gun, especially one that cost around 3k, but this whole process made me annoyed enough that I just said fuck it and went and bought the DS9. That's why I was like "thanks Timney". Not for the nonstop problems, but for being the tipping point that got me into a superior firearm.
@@JESSEverything Oh, gotcha. I missed the sarcasm in your initial comment. 😅 Yea, it seems your experience matches most of ours. When it worked it was fine, not wow but fine, and when it didn't work it was a frustrating disaster. There is no way that Timney isn't aware of this yet they continue to push the product as is without consumer advisement. It's misleading, and frankly dishonest of Timney to handle it the way that they are.
I Just ordered one before watching this video. I hope they fixed all the issues by now.
Check to see if there's a dimple at the vertical extension. If there is then it's the Gen2 and you might be OK. Still monitor until you're comfortable and remember that this isn't recommended for carry.
@@bunnyoperator I’ll check, thank you. Yes would be my plinking gun only.
I have almost 3000rds through mine and never had a single hiccup. I am running a Nomad 9f frame, factory 17 gen5 slide, Timney kit with Johhny Glocks combat conversion, all other parts are stock gen5. It’s perfect. This gun has sidlined my M&Ps and PDPs.
The JG conversion alters the Alpha from its factory configuration as was the point of this test. Even then some have reported that they still experienced light strikes and sent back to JG for fine tuning.
I have a 1000 rounds through my new g19 gen 3 (CA) and the first mod I added before shooting was the timney trigger. Everything else is stock. I'm shooting Fiocchi reloads and I havent had a single malfunction.
I have two Timneys, in a gen 3 and a gen 5. Neither were fully functional until I got rid of the aftermarket connectors and put in OEM dot connectors. All has been well for about 3500 rounds between them until yesterday when the gen 5 didn't ignite one single Fiocchi small pistol primer.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Was that failure to ignite a one time thing or multiple times?
I am getting mixed experiences from folks. Some are experiencing issues at the cross-section/cruciform end and others at the vertical extension/fin end or a combination of both.
Use oem spring only!
I went with the Johny Glock Flat Face Trigger and that is by far the top of the food chain!!!!!! 🔥 🔥 🔥 I can't recommend it enough!!! I run it on my EDC Glock 43X MOS and LOOOOVE IT!!!!
Nice
Had an Alpha in my 19x and no problems but now i switched to an 19 Gen5 and let it Stock . Its a shtf and in my mind there is no room for funny Triggers .Best greetings from Austria 🤘🏻
@@ochi5.56 💯 agree. Was your 19X factory other than the Alpha? Do you recall if the trigger bar had a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperatorYes it was 100%Factory 👍🏻 But to be fair - Maybe i dont shoot enough to find any Issue with the Timney ! I think i run 250 Rounds trough it .
I am absolute on your side Sir! It would real piss me off if it fails everytime in a competition ☹️
@@ochi5.56 Thank you for providing the data point.
Worked perfect out of the box.🤷♂️ on a gen3. Left in the heavier recoil spring and used the lighter trigger return spring. Zero issues.
Good that your sample and config works? Do you mind sharing what your setup is? Do report back as time goes on. Some folks here and my personal peers have reported failures down the line.
My Timney trigger in my Gen 5 Glock 34 started failing to reset yesterday. I’m going to look at the internals today. Sucks that so many are having this issue.
You're not the only person this has happened to. Mine failed during a match, and a few others have reported 100% success until later when they started experiencing 60-80% failure.
I have 3 Alphas. I have had one for a month in a gen 4 19, around 750 rounds through it. I have a gen 3 17 with about 500, and a gen 5 19 with about 500 through it. I have had zero malfunctions. If I have any, I will immediately admit it and look for a fix, but so far I have had none. It could be that mine are very new and are updated.
It's very possible. This video is over fairly old now and I have not seen any recent examples in person, so I cannot confirm what Timney is currently doing with the Alpha. The last update that I saw was the addition of the dimple to the vertical extension.
I just put an alpha trigger in my Glock 19 gen 3. I’m praying it works right. I really don’t want to be out $100 and have to mess with reinstalling the factory trigger. :(
@@CityWokChicken I don’t have any experience with the gen3 triggers, but I shoot my gen 4s and my gen 5 a couple times a week and still no issues.
From another review i was going to buy it. I decided to look at a few videos and now im not sold on the idea.
It's definitely not drop-in or compatible with oem parts that's for sure.
I love mine
I had trouble in a P80 full size frame with double firing. I replaced the trigger mechanism housing with a johnny glock over travel adjustable one and the connector with a Johnny Glock polished 5.0(.) one. This completely resolved my issues. The aftermarket stuff was slightly out of spec, at least enough to matter.
It's definitely a picky system that requires tuning
I have the timney trigger in a gen 5 34 and a gen 3 17L. I have had to issues with hundreds of rounds through each pistol. But my friend has had the same problems you have had with light strikes.in his gen 5 19 Thank you for your video.
Thanks for the data. The inconsistencies are the issues. I feel that it's a matter of when their system starts to fail as parts begin to wear. It's not as simple as swapping springs especially with the examples I've seen of alpha bars chipping or deforming from functional installs.
Had the same issue on my just installed Alpha in a Gen3....two fired out of 10 and primer strikes were unbelievably light. Used the supplied .035 hex bit and backed out the take-up screw a turn/turn & 1/8th and problem solved. Compared cases to OEM trigger fired cases and primer strikes were just as deep. Viola - problem solved. I kinda figured this was the issue because the same remedy is used when installing the Sweet Pea trigger in the Ruger LC9S Pro.
Thanks for the info. Interesting that the pre-travel adjustment affected your trigger in that manner. I wonder if it physically changes how the system sits in the frame.
@@bunnyoperator it allows the trigger bar to move further back mitigating obstruction with the rst of the fire control linkage
Glad to say I haven't had any issues with my trigger...yet. I installed the trigger in a p80 17 frame with the red trigger spring, as well as installed a ghost 6lb striker spring due to all the videos and posts on light strikes and reset issues. So far 200 rounds no issues.
It seems to be a timing issue but everyone's individual setup seems to vary depending on parts and tolerances.
I'm glad that you're not experiencing issues but continue to monitor. There was a point when I didn't experience any issues only for them to resurface the next outing. Additionally, others have reported experiencing issues later and noticeable material loss from the trigger bar.
@@bunnyoperator did u locktite the small retaining screw that you put in the bottom of the trigger housing? Possibly the screw walked out and allowed the drop in sear to move around cause excess friction?
Also I think that hitting the top of the trigger bar with some sand paper could help a ton,
@@Minutes-Mils Yes, I did. As for the vertical extension our samples measured to be taller than the OEM but the Alpha physically sat lower in the frame when installed i.e. the vertical extension sat lower, and likely affecting the timing of the plunger. Removing material would be counter to our findings.
@@bunnyoperator interesting find, have you tried a different plunger spring maybe +/- the weight? I do have a reduced power plunger spring installed as well
@@Minutes-Mils One of the setups that have a higher rate of success was using a longer, aftermarket plunger such as Apex.
I personally didn't do this as I was testing Timney's claim that it worked in OEM configurations without the need for a smith.
Yeah that's prob why they won't send me a new trigger bar which is fine I ran another 100 rds through it yesterday with about half of them being fast shooting and it's been perfecto...only thing I need is a trigger housing with post travel screw and I would trust it to carry
I put one in my gen 3 Glock 17 OEM lower and it worked fine for about 500 rounds. No noticeable problems from the trigger, although I was rather preoccupied with all of the problems caused by the Zaffiri slide and TiN fluted barrel (feed issues and failure to go into battery- neither was the trigger's fault). Last week, I swapped the Timney trigger and put it into a Lone Wolf frame to use with a Glock 17 slide and a Wilson Combat barrel in a new build for Limited division. I was hoping to use this gun in an upcoming USPSA match, and I needed to function check it for reliability with the new trigger. I had to use the Lone Wolf rear trigger housing because it was tapered differently than the Glock OEM housing to fit the Timberwolf frame. I took it out today and had so many problems I packed up and went home to swap the trigger back to the OEM framed Glock. I had more light strikes than I could count on factory ammo (Blazer brass 115gr), but I would estimate maybe 25-35 light strikes out of 100 rounds (some took three times through the gun before igniting). I experienced a failure to reset of the trigger at least 7-10 times in 100 rounds. Finally, and this was a bit scary, my gun went full auto at one point after a failure to reset and manually racking the slide, but I only had two rounds left in the magazine. I did have a Glock OEM connector in the trigger housing, but I cannot be too angry at Timney for not working in an aftermarket frame that is probably out of spec. After searching and finding this video, it makes sense that the striker is dragging on the trigger bar, causing the light strikes. I am not sure why I was having the reset issues. I am going to put it back into the OEM frame and test it some more for reliability.
That's unfortunate and quite a scary experience. Does your trigger bar haveba dimple at the vertical extension? The system seems to be sensitive to the connection angle and safety plunger as well. The reset issue is due to the trigger return spring design and possible drag on the frame. Frankly the Alpha just isn't executed well.
Sent my G45 in to Timney and told them to make it run. Apparently the Alpha trigger I bought was out of spec. They put in a new unit and one of they're connectors and now it runs flawlessly.
That's good that it worked out for you but it seems your malfunction experience is consistent with other.
They don't have connectors on their site for sale or included with the kit, so I do find that interesting. Was there an indication of who made it?
Thank you for your advise, I am so sorry for you to go thru all kinds of trouble. Take care and please us more advise.
I installed the Gen 3/4 Alpha Trigger with the aftermarket trigger spring on my Shadow Systems DR920 Elite and after 420 rounds (combined indoor gun range and outdoor USPSA Steel Pistol match), not a single light strike issue occurred whatsoever. But what I did differently was I had this trigger professionally installed by a Glock gunsmith. I didn’t want my lack of experience and knowledge causing the malfunction.
@@alexancheta9562 Thanks for the details. Did your smith indicate what needed to be done or tweaked, if at all? The Shadow products are reverse engineered off the Glock Gen 3 TDP, so the specs can vary in addition to the more performance oriented components used for the guts. The data is always useful to help determine the issues folks are experiencing.
Think you had bad luck.
My setup
P80
17 slide
Threaded barrel
Ghost connector
Timney trigger (of course)
Only light strikes I have ever got was when using rifle primers on 9mm. Fixed that with a longer firing pin and now I can use magnum primers and rifle primers in 9mm.
Myself and many others had that same bad luck. Comment section is filled with them as well as positive reports, so it's clear that it's not a fluke but a problem at the Timney end. They even released a firing pin and connector kit for 80 bucks more that only works with the Alpha. Go figure, they knew they had a problem.
Yours isn't exactly OEM either, and we've found that aftermarket parts tend to have better success rates with the kit.
I put one in my gen 5 Glock 34 and it runs flawlessly. I then ordered another Alpha set for my gen 5 Glock 17 and it had a combination of problems at the range. First it wasn’t going into battery every once in a while and the trigger shoe wasn’t resetting. The battery issue was related to the compensator I was testing and quickly remedied that issue, but the trigger reset was due to drag of the trigger bar against the connector in the trigger housing. I switched out the grey ghost connector with a Glockstore double diamond I had on hand and reassembled it and no longer had the trigger bar binding that I had experienced. I was a Glock Armorer until I left the business side a few years back but I have to say that based on my experience the Timney Alpha system may be user installed, but it’s not entirely drop in if you have some out of spec parts.
In our experiences the Timney parts were certainly varied in specs.
@@bunnyoperator I completely agree with you based on your video. QC issues or engineering tolerances, it shouldn’t happen with Timney products. I do love the concept and at least with the two that I purchased, I’m satisfied with the performance gain.
@@philc481 Completely agree. It shouldn't happen from a company with such a reputation as Timney. I really hope they get their issues resolved with this system.
I haven't had any issues after 900 rounds,. I guess I'll check back if there is an issue. Gen 5 Glock 19
@@redbeard7376 Pls do. The more data the better to help others. Do you mind sharing your configuration? Is your 19 all OEM otherwise? Do you know if your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension? Thanks
@@bunnyoperator I'm not sure about the extension. I got the trigger in June, whatever they were doing for gen 5 then,. Stock aside from a 507C optic and a light. Internals stock aside from the trigger. Also got the gun in June.
@@redbeard7376 Next time you pull your slide off look at the "shark fin" on the trigger bar and see if there's a dimple on it. That'll let you know if it's the latest version. The older ones didn't. The dimple was added to help keep the bar aligned under travel allegedly.
@@bunnyoperator Yes, it has what looks like a half circle pressed coming out of it so that must be the dimple.
@@redbeard7376 Yes, that's correct. Glad we confirmed which one you have.
TA with lite polish on trigger bar + connector smooth and tight no issue so far under 150 rnds G19 gen5, TA feels similar to GPT shooting to back to back at the range.
Similar, although I think the GPT behaves a little more consistently. The Alpha definitely has the better shoe.
Wow, sorry to hear about your issues. I have 2 x Gen 3-4 and a Gen 5 Timney Trigger. They all worked great from the start. Comparing to my OEM Glock, from the start, the Timney struck the rounds with less force, but I didn't really experience light strikes where the round didn't go off. After about a thousand rounds, my OEM striker spring got worn where I did get light strikes. I bought new 6lb striker springs, installed them, and all is well now. The strikes are now comparable to my OEM Glock. Again, sorry to hear your issues.
That's the way it is sometimes. Do you mind sharing the configurations of your Glocks? As in are they running OEM or aftermarket parts?
@@bunnyoperator G17 Gen3: only changed out the barrel (Faxon Firearms Match Series), striker spring (NDZ 6lb spring), Timney Trigger Alpha Glock Trigger, and Wilson Combat fiber optic sights. Everything else is stock. My G19 Gen 5: Faxon Firearm Match Series threaded barrel, Herrington Arms Glock Compensator Gen 5, NDZ Performance 6lb striker spring, Wilson Combat fiber optic sights, Timney Trigger Alpha Glock Gen 5 Trigger, SLR Rifleworks magwell. Everything else is stock. PSA Dagger FS (Glock 45 clone, but Gen 3): SW2 slide cut w/ RMR footprint, Holosun 507C (green dot), Faxon Firearms Duty threaded barrel, Herrington Arms compensator, NDZ Performance 6lb striker spring, Timney Trigger Alpha Glock Gen 3-4 Trigger, SLR Rifleworks magwell. I am currently messing around with my PSA Dagger compact, where I changed out the stock connector to a NDZ Performance 3.5 polished connector, polished the trigger bar, striker safety, and striker lug section that interacts with the cruciform of the trigger bar. Swapped out trigger shoe with angled flat face trigger shoe. I am quite impressed that it dropped the pull weight to 3.5lbs.
@@Styxx2018 Thanks for sharing. Some of your parts definitely alter timing and could contribute to the successful application of the Alpha. It should help folks who choose to stay with the trigger platform.
I shoot M class in USPSA Production with nothing more than polishing and a Glock 'minus' connector.
No amount of "upgrade" is worth it if you sacrifice reliability. The more skill you have, the less of these trigger systems you'll need to rely on.
There are guys at the range with Timney and JGlock triggers and they are undoubtedly 'nicer' than my setup. But mine goes bang each and every time. Sometimes that adage of "less is more" is absolutely true.
Even OEM components fail or can be limited ergonomically to the individual but that's not the point of the video. People can decide for themselves what works for them and we can see from the comments that there are still folks that favor the Alpha. This video is just one data point.
That's frustrating to hear. I don't like Glocks but use Timney Triggers in my AR's and love them. They should definitely take care of anyone who bought one for their Glocks and make sure their customers are happy.
Their CS was good but product execution just wasn't there. Another viewer pointed out that Timney has recently released a striker and connector kit for $80. It might solve the issues but now the whole kit is near $250 bucks for a gamble. Hard pass.
Hell yeah! I went thru almost the same exact experience and it was 2 months of wasted time. Also I can attest to how slow they were to respond when I told them I wanted my money back…then I had to pay for shipping on my end.
This experience also pushed me to try other guns with modified triggers. Other platforms such as LTT berettas and Cajunized CZs have significantly better triggers. At the end of the day a Glock is just a Glock.
Same I've moved away from Glocks. I've yet to see an aftermarket Glock trigger match the factory trigger in my Walther PPQ. The triggers in LTT Berettas and Cajunized CZs are some of the best triggers I've tried. My current favorite trigger in a pistol is the one in my CZ Custom A01-LD. I prefer it to the trigger in my Dan Wesson 1911.
@@pcckwy the best but still reliable trigger that I’ve tried for Glock is the Johnny Glock trigger. Been running it for 4 months. It just costs too much and still not as good as the other triggers I’ve mentioned.
@@vmanshooting JG is definitely solid. He does have a carry package for this trigger but that's the same as sending it to a gunsmith. 😂
I have a CZ myself DA/SA I did springs and a nicer shoe myself, wow way smoother pull, now 7da2.5sa pulls!
Only issue I’ve had is reset. I actually think mine seems to get dirty from the gun powder along the trigger bar against the frame. I cleaned it and had no issues after that. I do keep an even on powder build up.
Sticky trigger is a common complaint with the Alpha. The choice to position the TRS where it is combined with the anemic spring choices seems to be the causation.
I'm glad that you haven't experienced issues otherwise. Do you mind sharing your pistol internals configuration and whether or not your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension?
The only thing I installed was the trigger kit the way it comes. I have no other upgrades to the gun and it’s a Glock 34 Gen 5. I’ll have to check the other part you mentioned when I get off work.
I put the timeny alpha in my PSA Dagger, the break is fantastic, and the reset is too. The pre travel however feels like ass, and very frustrating. Also the tool that is supposed to adjust the pre travel screw didn't fit well and completely stripped my screw head. I had got it to screw in just a bit, and it was too much, i lost blade safety function. I really had a hard time backing that screw back out, and destroyed any future adjustments possibilities.
That's unfortunate. See if they'll warranty exchange or refund you.
My first Timney trigger for Glock 19x. Didn’t work, the trigger wouldn’t reset. I was running a Ghost connector and springs and skeletonized striker. Had to bend my connector and remove the springs and striker back to OEM. Worked like a charm.
Keep monitoring. Majority of the problems had to do with timing issues created by out of spec trigger bars. When generation bar did you have, BTW? Was there a dimple on it?
I grinded the markings on the trigger bar and changed the plunger to Apex ultimate on my G17 gen 3. I shot 150 rounds with out a single light strike. I did not even use the 6 pound spring for the striker.
Nice. Looks like you've found your formula. Keep us posted on long term use. Your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator no I bought mine back in June 2021. I will update you if it develop light strike but hopefully not. It's weird that it works on others and not across the board.
@@Anthony74te27 Definitely appreciate the info. Yea, definitely unusual. From measuring the few I've had and others measuring theirs the bars appear to be dimensionally all over the place. It does seem that an aftermarket plunger that is longer than OEM seems to help. That suggests that the Alpha's bar affects timing negatively until adjusted.
@@bunnyoperator I think you are absolutely right, Timney's quality control is all over the place. I'm just glad that after 150 rounds not a single light strike.
Today I shot 200 rounds of 115 Fiocchi & 50 rounds of 115 grain Winchester Service duty FMJ on my G17 and I had 1 light strike. I wiped the black dirt on the plunger and squirt a little oil on top of the trigger bar and it seems to stop it. Not 100% but waaaay better than before.
I have the Timney Alpha in my G34. I have had the exact problems. I took my gun to a gun smith 3 different times. Finally, after messing with it ( fine tuning .) It seems to be running well. Close to 10k thru it now. I do think running the crap out of it has helped as well.
I'm now very happy with this set up. But took some time.
@@smcwhinney69 Yea, tuning is definitely required of this item. It wouldn't be a problem if they were forthcoming with it so people can decide for themselves. They claimed drop in and compatibility with OEM when it's not.
I have a paperweight psa dagger atm...dagger frame, dagger slide, dagger threaded barrel. Timney alpha glock competition trigger, ndz g17 gen 3 pieces for the rest of the smaller pieces except the slide lock lever. Thats from tyrant and i have a comp from them as well. Shadow systems fire control group ndz extractor and engraved backplate. Put a swamp fox red dot and cross armory co-whitness sights. I also have a gogun gas pedal. So my budget pistol is not a budget friendly build....and is getting light strikes at the moment so i have a ghost 6 lb firing pin spring coming. Im confident it will work.
@@jeremybutler2578 Keep us posted. Check to see how the Alpha's vertical extension is engaging the plunger as well. The timing variance should give you an idea if your spring will work.
I just ordered one. I hope the newer ones are in spec. Thanks.
Report back with your experiences. Check the trigger bar to see if there's a bump at the vertical extension. That should show that it's "gen 3" of the Alpha design.
I also had the issue of the trigger safety tab not resetting at first but it went away after some dry firing. Sucks you had so many issues. I've tried so many aftermarket Glock triggers yet I still haven't found any that I was really happy with. I've pretty much given up on Glocks because of it.
We'll see how the enhanced feel shoe works out.
Yessssssss
I just installed mine again with a stock striker spring this time. Last time I had so many LPS that it was not shootable. That was with a 3.5 pound firing pin spring. Wish me luck. lol
Prayers, my friend.
@@bunnyoperator Timney sent me an updated tigger bar so they say. But I'm still getting lps. I'm going to try a factory 5.5 lb firing pin spring and a 6.0 lb. And go back to my factory trigger safety plunger and spring. Will see what happens. If this doesn't work I give up. Going back to my dependable Apex.
@@russdennis7026 Keep me posted, buddy.
Yes, my internals were all OEM except the Timney.
@@bunnyoperator Good to know. Thank you.
That sux both ways because I was looking to buy 1 of those 2 trigger kits.
I'll just stick with my Polished G19X trigger assembly w/ a PSA Dagger SW4 GatorMouth cut Slide.
The trigger actually feels better with a more positive reset now that I have a Gen 3 upper on my Gen 5 G19X frame 🤟
Probably for the best unless you just like to experiement.
The only problem I had with my gen 5 and the alpha kit was it was dragging somewhere with the factory connector. I bent the stock connector then swapped it for a lone wolf. No light primer strikes no malfunctions.
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us.
I've got one in a p80. Works great. Prob about 800 rounds through frame. Used oem slide and internals and aftermarket slide
Thank you for the data point.
@@bunnyoperator I have 3 in my p80 and it has been awesome.
My trigger has never worked. Continues to have light strikes. Will reach out to timney for a resolution. Thanks for the video.
There is a gen 3 trigger with bump at the vertical extension. If they send you a new trigger bar, make sure it has that. I don't have enough data on it yet but some folks have reported it has fixed their issues then again Timney also has their connector and firing pin kit for the Alpha too.
Keep us posted.
My Gen 5 Glock 19 Timney Alpha works flawlessly, I also drilled out and added a set screw to prevent the trigger bar creeping further back on cycling. Sucks you had such problems.
Yes, myself and others reporting here. It's a sensitive trigger. Many have reported experiencing issues later, so keep monitoring and inspect if the behavior changes.
I would say i am around 2000-2500 rounds in and no misfires. Man, now I have to question ordering the Gen 3 for my SS DR920 I just got the other day. I wonder if there is less issues with the Gen 5 models. @@bunnyoperator
@@loosegoosageify I have seen failures on 4 different Gen 5 Alphas, so it's hard say. It does seem that using aftermarket components in addition can potentially aid in reliability provided you're tuning the timing.
Damn out of how many? The Gen3 one I want is $113 on OP, I guess given the price I may just have to give it a go. I was already considering that it may not work out since SS says they don't necessarily give their blessing. @@bunnyoperator
@@bunnyoperator Just wanted to double back on my response. I have since put about 3500 rounds on my gen 5 clock 19 and now roughly 1000 or so on my shadow systems dr920 with gen 3 alpha trigger with not a single misfire. I am still contemplating doing the same with the dr920 as did with the g19, adding a set screw to eliminate trigger creep. Seems I have gotten lucky on both my timney alphas.
Glock OEM Performance Trigger -> Johnny Glocks Shoe -> Dot connector -> 6lb Striker Spring = best Glock trigger in existence (that’s actually reliable and has a strong reset)
That's basically a 200+ trigger and well over the cost that I'm willing to spend for marginal gain over OEM. It also doesn't help that the Alpha doesn't work for me to begin with.
Yeah, with my customzev. I have dead trigger. It's because you're striker. Bar is not resetting back to the upright position quick enough.
Yeah, when binary happens, It can happen faster than fully auto because your manually feeling. As soon as that striker gets pulled back, you can literally release your trigger in. If you're tempo is right, you can shoot way faster.
I have the same issue with the light strikes....guess I need to stick with ZEV triggers. I have 13 with no issues.
Does your trigger bar have a dimple at the vertical extension?
Where exactly?
Also, I put a completely factory 35 slide and it functioned perfectly today. I then swapped a completely factory 17 slide on it and had light strikes on federal 115 ammo
@@SuperBoostedcivic on the shark fin. If there's a dimple it's the 2nd revision of the trigger bar.
That just goes to show you how sensitive the design is.
Nope no dimple, I looked at a new one that is still in the box that I have and it has one. Glock started having that dimple on Gen 4 trigger bars.
@@SuperBoostedcivic Right, Glock did that for left handed shooters. Timney did that to try and fix their spec issues but it didn't work. 😂
I installed the Timney Alpha Pro trigger in my G17, Gen3. I would get one light primer strike per 400rds. and the unit totally failed at 5500+ rds with continual light primer strikes. I will get a new assy. from Timney per their lifetime warranty, after I send them (at my expense) my broken one, but I ordered a ZEV Tech trigger assy. and will try that next. IMO, the stock Glock trigger makes the gun feel pedestrian and not fun to shoot, especially compared to my 1911 trigger.
Thanks for the data. That's unfortunate. The Alpha definitely requires tuning to get it to function properly. Timney just isn't open about that in the product description. Super misleading.
So I have the Agency Arms trigger for my Gen 5 and I’ve heard a lot of people having problems with the pin walking out also…..that being said I’ve put close to 1800 rounds on it without a problem so far. I am keeping an eye on it though along with my Gen 3 Agency trigger.
Hopefully you get the Timney figured out man!
Yes, as with anything continue to monitor and check over your equipment.
I had the same light strikes on my 19, swapped out to my 17 (brownells slide) rest oem and couldn't be happier. Seems to be a tolerance stacking issue.
Definitely a spec inconsistencies + tolerance stacking. Brownell's slides have been interesting as of late also. Their product review pages pretty much explains it.
I have the 1.0 timney glonk trigger and had issues with light strikes before I switched to a 6lb striker spring there still occasionally is a light strike but not often. Figured it was because there was all ZEV trigger parts and springs installed before I put the timney in and they didnt want to work with each other like oem stuff would have.
Hard to say. I've found that each person's issues vary. The Timney specs aren't consistent either.
I purchased the Timney Trigger for my Glock 31 Gen 4. My problem is the trigger will not reset. At bench it functions just fine. At the range, 2 shots are good, then the trigger will not reset. Usually it takes several minutes to get the slide off the frame. Then at the bench it functions, but upon firing a couple of rounds the trigger is dead.
That's terrible. Have you ID'd the causation?
Thank you very much for Video
I have a big issue with Trigger Rest on this Timney Alpha trigger for GEN 5. Small issue immediately after intial installation, and after atlist 1000 rounds become a big issue: Stop to reste
That is definitely a common experience. Reach out to their CS to see if they have a solution for you or can issue you a refund.
Thank you very much for your advice
Thanks for the video. I'm getting rid of my Timney Trigger. Can't get the thing to work right. Sent two emails to Timney for assistance and they've ignored both. Regret that I bought this thing.
That seems to be a reoccurring theme for Timney. Some people get a response and some are seemingly ignored. Try to get a refund from where ever you ordered from as an alternative.
This review is too factual and “science-y” for me.
I like my reviews delving 3 to 4 hours on how “a buddy” observed a problem, another 2 hours into how the Vlogger “felt” and the rest with recommending another untested product as a replacement. 😎
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Love ya, buddy.
FML. A year later, I purchased the Timney Alpha trigger and had the EXACT same issues PLUS it was firing upon reset. They STILL haven't fixed the issues. Ridiculous.
Yup, folks continue to report issues up to the latest generation with mixed reviews of CS response.
I bought the timney alpha because A. It was on sale for 99.993 at PSA website and B. An acquaintance of mine has 3 of them on various glocks and highly recommended them. I got it for my gen 5 Glock 19. I have it paired with a ghost Edge 3.5# connector but with the heavier trigger spring not the red one because with the red one the pull was so light it was like there was no wall and there were 2 occasions running warm up draw and shoots where the gun went off when I was still raising it to eye level so I swapped out the springs and gave it some more take up and that setup has been great for just the range and competition with about 200 RDS thru it with no issues....also put 200rds with just the stock connector and the regular spring with less take up and have had no issues at all! A recruit in the militia I help run wanted to do a piece on it in his UA-cam channel which is nothing new with him and my builds so I obliged but the next day when returning it he mentions oh I gave it a nice trigger job for you (I recently taught him the art of trigger jobs on 1911s ajd glocks and ARs) which he won't make that mistake again after the ass chewing I gave him and what his duties are for the next 3 months. Anywho the trigger seems to still be functioning fine but honestly it feels a little...tighter? Stickier? Grippier? Like usually a trigger job lightens up the pull and makes it smoother but I feel like it did the opposite and that it made it slightly tighter on the pull. Regardless I reached out to Timney telling them about the situation and they said while normally this wouldn't be covered under warranty repair or service that they would do me a one time courtesy and replace the trigger bar if I sent it in ..but after watching this video ajd hearing you talk about the variation in measurements of the trigger bars that maybe I should not send it in and just deal with it not habing the coating on the trigger and it being just slightly tighter
That's up to you, buddy. If your bar doesn't have a dimple on it send it in but if it does then that's your call. I don't know what the latest generations of changes have occurred past the new versions with the dimples.
@@bunnyoperator simple like near the front of the trigger bar near the shoe?
@@bunnyoperator on the plunger detent part? It has dimple
@@bunnyoperator up to me for real? You sure I shouldn't maybe get my mother's opinion? Lol so Timney told me I should not pair the trigger with the ghost connector and that I should put the stock connector back on because it could cause automatic firing in the gun! My reply was yes paired with the red spring like the directions says to do with an aftermarket connector there is an almost imperceivable wall before the break and I could totally see that happening, thanks for affirming my guess that it may do that so that I can try tweaking it a bit and avoid buying a switch online! Will take into consideration when I try adjusting the connector tension! Hehehe
@@OuterHeavenTactical The dimple should be at the trigger bar vertical extension like on the OEM Gen 4 trigger bars. Mine didn't have them but the revised versions that came out later had them, however people have reported that they still had light strikes with that version.
I know of 4 timneys on glock platform with zero issues. I would recommend But just like with all things sometimes you get a lemon
Very true, and it's unfortunate that so many are reporting these lemons for this particular kit. Do you mind sharing details of your setups for data?
The issue when it happened to me, was the timney trigger bar wasnt riding close enough to the factory connector. Dont bend the trigger bar. Just replace or adjust/bend the connector a little closer to the bar. After doing this, you will get a super crisp reset with no drop safety fails or light strikes. I would never recommend fully polishing this trigger
My connector is an OEM dot, and it would've been counter to the claim that it worked with OEM components as drop in.
@@bunnyoperator Gotcha, sorry it isn't working out. There are lots of spec measurements with this trigger that need to be adjusted to create overall proper engagement with oem components. You pretty much have to be a glock-smith to set it up safely
@@The_Sandman___ Totally agree, which is also counter to Timney's claim that a gunsmith isn't needed. This is really unfortunate considering their track record and general acceptance as a leading aftermarket trigger maker. I suppose it should be expected considering how drastically altered the Alpha is from the OEM system.
@@bunnyoperator The hardest adjustment I had to make was the C-washer and screw on the bottom of the trigger pack. It sets the hieght of the seer engagement bar. The installation instructions arent very detailed on this part. The screw and washer must first be fully tightened then backed off one 1/4 turn as well.
@@The_Sandman___ It's also important to note that that C clip addition is their 2nd gen of the Alpha system, and oddly the gen 1 folks without the C clip seem to have better success with the system. Something happened in how Timney did things between gen 1 and gen 2 but they are aware of the issues and don't appear to be addressing the underlying issues leaving the consumer market to make the Alpha work as opposed to fixing the issues on their end.
My glock 19x with alpha trigger went off without me pressing the trigger today at a match. Happened during a reload when I slammed a new magazine in with a round in the chamber.
Woah. Yours might be the first example reported directly to me. Was your 19X OEM otherwise? Do you know which Gen Alpha it was as in if it had a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator all sock internals other than the trigger. I am running a Grey ghost slide other than that the whole gun is stock. Not sure what generation the trigger is. I don't think it has a dimple. I'll check later. I ripped it out yesterday and put the factory one back in. Ordered a glock performance trigger today.
@@Schultz344 I appreciate the info. It'll help others experiencing similar issues.
Ordered one of these from Optics Planet. Hopefully ive researched enough to get this running like my timney rifles triggers
It's a totally different design concept than the cassette triggers for long guns. Regardless, best of luck and do report back.
Wow I’ve never seen they’re trigger fail ! I’ve ran about 4,000 rounds through mine and has been perfect since day one. Maybe I got lucky 😳
Results seem to vary. It seems that early adopters have had better success than gen 2 adopters.
Brian, I put it in my Gen 4 34 and had these same issues. I had to go back to my OEM trigger.
Timney trigger destroyed my firing pins
Worked for for 200rds then stopped
@@captainohsowavy Oh, damn. What was the damage?
@@bunnyoperator yeah firing pin damaged
Contacted Timney they want me to send my firearm out but I already took it to a trusted gunsmith. They advised to not to use the timney trigger with my Zev OZ9 slide. I mean I think I speak for everyone, there’s no point to keep it a Glock completely stock with just a trigger. I’m kinda annoyed about it
Wow. That's really bad. Thank you for making this video. I haven't seen any other videos addressing the issues to this level like you have. Some channels hinted but didn't address the issues. No thanks, Timney. I'll pass.
Yea, it's really unfortunate. I've watched some of those videos also and a few address the like strikes but nothing about the trigger bar extension/fin and other issues.
Works perfect in my gen 4 glock 19. Under 3 lb trigger pull and no reset issue.
Thank you for your data point. I'm assuming all OEM internals without modification needed? Did you install?
@@bunnyoperator i guess its not working when you using light striker spring or it has 10k+ ride. When using all stock - works well.
@@eugenetacklberry7318 No, mine was all stock as was other folks.
Thx for this info. The one I purchased would fire on the reset. They need to pull these.
Oh snaps. It went binary on you?
I run Timney triggers on two Glocks (G17 and G45) and 2 Shadow Systems (XR920 and MR920) with over 5,000 rounds combined and zero malfunctions. Sorry about your troubles but I doubt it is the trigger that is causing the issue.
Please provide your details of your setups. Are your internals OEM? What gen is your G17? Shadow Systems "Glocks" aren't exactly OEM either, so they don't apply to the test here.
You assume that it's not a trigger problem based on your anecdote but the data from others in the comment section suggest otherwise.
@@bunnyoperator My Glock 17 and Glock 45 are both Gen 5. The Glock 45 is all OEM except for the trigger and the iron sights-which it is irrelevant. The Glock 17 has a “Minus Connector” and titanium guide rod with OEM spring. The Shadow Systems are basically “improved” Gen 4 Glocks. They are both stock except for the triggers. I understand that your data suggests a trigger problem but it is hard for me to accept your interpretation of the data when I run 4 different systems with several thousands of rounds without a single malfunction, trigger related or otherwise! If I were you I would expedite the pistol to Timney and let them sort it out since they offered. It would solve your problem and help the community that it is experiencing the same issue. Cheers friend and good luck trouble shooting this issue. I know it can be very frustrating.
@@Duda4711 Thank you for the details. It helps to corroborate other theories. I will disagree that the Shadow Systems is "stock". It may be based on the Glock platform but it is not the same just as the Zev and PSA variants are not the same. Variations in dimensions affect timing and parts compatibility. This video covers Timney's claim that the Alpha works with OEM configs without the need for a smith, which was found to be incorrect.
The triggers have already gone back to Timney, and it is up to them to identify the issues with them, since neither worked in my OEM configurations including my stock G17 slide. Your suggestion to take up Timney's offer is exactly needing a smith to install the trigger, which goes against Timney's claim.
Since this video, myself and others have determined geometry measurements specific to several examples of the Timney Alpha bar. The consensus is that the vertical extension does not depress the plunger enough causing interference with the striker i.e. affecting the timing.
Mic-ing the parts, we've consistently determined that although the Alpha's vertical extension is longer than OEM in relation to the bar's main body, when installed our examples physically sat lower in the frame. Bending the vertical extension in addition to using a longer, aftermarket plunger such as the Apex plunger helped to alleviate the issue.
We've done extensive testing, and were quite careful with our data before presenting it to avoid slandering a company's product, especially of one with such a long history of positive components.
It's not just me with this experience but a collective of others inside and outside the industry, some of which received better CS than I did because they went through official company email channels while I used my personal. That was done intentionally to check Timney's CS response. Regardless, Timney's CS was top notch but their Alpha design did not live up to their claims. That was the point of this video.
Their design simply did not account for the tolerance stacking that can occur, and in the several reported examples that are out there on UA-cam and the forums, they didn't accommodate for the margin of error or variances with OEM configurations. Additionally, some folks are now reporting material loss from the trigger bar. We are monitoring those closely as well. We are waiting on additional data before releasing a follow-up video.
Don't discredit data because it doesn't match your experiences. Just because it didn't happen to you does not mean it doesn't happen. That being said, the Enhanced Feel Shoes that I received as replacement are performing quite well, which was expected since they don't modify the system internally.
@@bunnyoperator I commend you on your quest to identify the issue. Coincidentally, a close friend just installed a Timney on his G17 gen 4 and immediately started experiencing light strikes. I immediately assumed my arrogant attitude and told him that it was not possible. After attempting to trouble shoot his pistol for several hours I gave up and now I can trully relate to your frustration. I developed a hypothesis that the tolerances for the specs of the new batches (post Covid) are not as rigid as pre-Covid since all of my triggers are older. I thought I would pass that on to see if you can find a correlation between failiures and age of triggers. Good luck!
@@Duda4711 The data does suggest that Gen1 kits performed better although they had their own reported issues, which were supposed to have been alleviated by the C-clip addition but apparently not. Anemic reset as well but that's more of a preference thing.
I try to take everything with a grain of salt and understand that the Internet is overrun with all types of people and their opinions. Yet somehow I’m able to learn a little bit from everyone of them. I’m happy to say that my stuff runs just right. That being said I noticed that you have 19 minutes and 27 seconds of upload that never once mentioned the striker or striker spring which I think most will realize is a factor. I like the pinned comment about the special striker and spring. Imagine that a simple solution.
Their striker and connector combo wasn't available until recently i.e. after my video. My components less the Alpha were OEM as noted in the video and the purpose of this was showing that their Alpha did not work with oem as they claimed on their site. Aftermarket components were not the factor here; however, data suggests that aftermarket components may lead to higher success rates.
If you would, please note your setup to help others and provide an additional data point. Thanks
I have an alpha in my gen 3 with about 150rds of blazer brass no issue. If I have any problems though I'll report back. No modifications to the kit I am however running a lighter safety plunger spring from a zev trigger kit. I forgot that was in there. That said if I was buying a kit today I would buy the Glock performance trigger and use the timney shoe. (If you can, have not tried)
Yup, the Zev plunger would definitely adjust timing, so your setup might continue to work until parts wear.
@@bunnyoperator it's possible. I got the kit early on when they first hit the market and don't shoot that particular pistol that often but I'll send some lead down range and see what happens. So far it's been alright, but it's still not the best trigger I have. I have a really good feeling apex ffs in an M&P that's pretty clean and a Gray Guns comp kit that's pretty buttery too. I like the idea, but glock did it better by retaining the cruciform.
@@tokin420nchokin Agreed. I suspect the majority of the issues folks are experiencing is due to the unretained trigger bar. There's enough play to cause shift during movement and mess with timing.
I have a Glock 19 Gen 3 with the Alpha installed with a Travis Hailey connector. Complete Slide and barrel is a Grey Ghost Precision, so not so much Glock anymore. Absolutely no issues with various brands of ammo. This is my carry gun and I trust it. The difference between this and a stock Glock is night and day. Trigger feel is closer to my Kimber 1911. Double tapping on multiple targets is a breeze. Please spare me the BS about 3 lbs being too light for a carry gun. My trigger finger and my training is my safety.
I don't think anyone cares about your trigger pull weight. It's on you after all. Good that your combo is working well for you. Did you mod the reset spring or didn't care about the anemic reset?
The problem that a lot of people are having with the timney setup including myself is that some days it runs like a raped ape then some days every 5 rounds is a misfire. In the end the stock Glock trigger is reliable and because it's built to accomadate a larger range of tolerances and still work. The timney trigger feels so good because it has very tight tolerances and modifies the operating mechanism in a way the gun was not designed to accommodate for. I decided to return my trigger because I don't want my gun to stop working when I least expect it or start giving me problems cause its a little bit dirty. That's my take on it.
@@Robbie6298 Pretty much this. Definitely wouldn't use this system for defense purposes. OEM bar at min with whatever shoe fits your fancy should be the aim.
Speaking as a Glock owner myself, I would never expect to have a nice trigger like a race gun for reliability. I love Glock Bc they are simple and RELIABLE when stock. They just are what they are. A LEO gun designed to fire when needed to do so. The trigger tolerance gives the stressed end user the leeway to not accidentally shoot too early. Which, is not what you want in a competition. I'ts a service pistol design. Soooo yea. Its rough like Kalashnikov. Just like you can't make an F150 beat a Ferrari...
(Okay hold my beer). No but really its fun to tinker and expand on wonderfully reliable and affordable platforms like Glock. But at the end of the day you either have a purpose built Frankenstein that works or is a dumpsterfire... with that said I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my Timeney pyramid trigger for my G20 SG.... so....w will see what happens!😅
in my experience, sometimes light strikes can be caused by a mismatch in striker and trigger spring weights ..
That would be the culprits when tuning but I was using OEM internals.
@@bunnyoperator then it's really the trigger system after all
@@attybong Yes, basically. I wasn't the only person in my immediate circle to experience these failures. We even spoke with the folks at TTI and they advised that a lot of tuning was required to hey the Alpha to be reliable. Timney should have never claimed it to be compatible with OEM or alluded that it was a drop-in type trigger system.
@@bunnyoperator would the glock performance trigger be better than timney?
@@attybong It definitely is a better executed design than the Alpha but it still requires regular lubing to keep it going. It has been 100% reliable in my testing but note that you can't treat it like the standard OEM trigger and neglect it. LOL
Good video man, gunsmith (FFL) here , just got my first (non tinkerer customer) glock drop off today with a timney install request...trigger is super jank man...super bad drag and upon basic install, slide was completely locked due to the bar "snagging"
Oh, man. That's bad. What gen Glock was it?
@@bunnyoperator gen 3 G17, im actually having to let my homies at our local shop know that they gotta be weary of selling these triggers for more so of a safety precaution / functionality deal
@@TheRealSappii That's a good idea. Timney did release a firing pin and connector kit for the Alpha for 80 bucks more (ridiculous) and still won't publicly admit there's a problem with the Alpha.
I've installed it on a buddy's Gen5 with Alpha after he started experiencing light strikes. So far 80% success which is better than the 40% previously but still not promising. I believe their kit alters the timing causing the FP to hit the safety plunger. This is further supported by the longer extension on their FP as well as the different shape and angle of their connecter.
I have photos in my IG but will make an update video at some point.
I have a gen 3 and gen 5. Gen 3 had 2 light strikes out of 100 and gen 5 has pretty serious striker drag and cant get teigger to reset. Going to polish the hell out of it and go from there
That sounds consistent with what I've seen. Do both have a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator no only the gen 5 does. Gen 3 has no dimple
@@brodemode8126 OK, dimple is Gen 2. Sucks that you're experiencing that issue with their latest gen.
Glock 34 Gen 5. This pistol shoots flawlessly in stock form. The alpha will not shoot at all with a loaded mag. It will work every time when fed single shot without the mag installed. I think the loaded mag is able to lift the slide enough to not let the striker block disengage. The trigger bar is late lifting up the block or is not lifting high enough. The loaded mag has a lot of upward push on the slide. Talked to Timeny and they have a new trigger bar to fix this problem as of 09/15/2022
Interesting. They stated that they have a new trigger bar design?
@@bunnyoperator The new trigger bar has a "dimple" stamped on it, I will have the new one tomorrow.
@@careycustomrifle If you've got IG or FB, could you send photos to me? Thanks
@@bunnyoperator OK, FB
I'm having issues as well with the Timney, seems like everything said was too good to be true... very disappointed with it.
That's unfortunate. Are you experiencing light strikes as well? Anything else?
@@bunnyoperator no light strikes but when the trigger resets, it does just enough to be able to shoot again but not enough to where the red safety sticks back out, so basically I could take my next shoot just pulling the side of the trigger without touching the trigger safety. it's taking a long time to stick out, in some case 5 -8 seconds after I release the trigger. I feel like the red spring is still to weak and also the trigger safety rubs ever slightly with the frame and it delays it.
@@JC-gy5bh That's the same issue I experienced initially with the 2nd trigger. The sticky tab on mine eventually went away on it's own but it's definitely concerning. It could be the pretravel adjustment on yours but might not be considering that it resets enough to fire.
Glock 34 gen 5 timney alpha trigger. Reset sticks with silver spring. Trigger bar rubs up against right slide relese lever. If you wiggle the slide release or hold it down while using the trigger it clears the trigger bar and works fine. Seems to me when the bar comes out of the trigger shoe, it comes out crooked, effectively making the trigger bar move to the right and slide against the slide release. Going to try the putple spring and see what happends. Thanks for the awesome video!
It does seem that the bar being un-captured moves under travel and creates timing issues. Of course I dislike how they handled the trigger return spring design as well. Un-captured and weak AF. 😂
I have the Timney in my OZ9C without issue but it has the JG combat upgrade. I have about 1500 rds through it. I also have one for my OZ9 but haven’t installed it. I really don’t mind the stock ZEV trigger on a range gun just don’t care for the rolling break as a carry option.
It's good that it works for you. I do caution that the Alpha was specifically designed as a competition trigger not carry. Johnny Glock has his mod for carry though.
I purchased one last week and emailed them yesterday asking why is it taking so long to ship. The response was "my apologies for the delay and that you were not notified. We experienced an issue in production with those triggers, but it has been resolved and we will be fulfilling orders soon. About 2 to 3 weeks." smh makes me want to cancel my order
That seems to be consistent with what others have told me about their warranty triggers. Timney is really dropping the ball here.
There must be an issue with your firing pin block..it might be that the trigger bar does not push firing pin block fully so as it causes premature setting of your firing pin that causes dud or light strike on the primer,just check on that and you'll be fine..GlockDoctor
I suspect that's exactly what it is. I am using OEM slide components, and have swapped slides to the same result. The test confirmed that the Alpha did not work with OEM components as they advertised and it's not the end user's responsibility to make their trigger work.
@@bunnyoperator saw a guy use a clear backplate and try an mic striker distance. .5mm less on the Timney the recommendation was to go to a 6 lb trigger spring to make up for the lost spring compression/ firing pin velocity.
Agreed though, Timney should do a little more research although this is designed for a Glock not a polymer 80 mine didn’t work in my polymer 80 either. False resets wierd trigger feel. GTG in my dagger, with a lil massaging on the frame for the safety blade.
@@anubis8680 Thanks for sharing your experiences!
@@anubis8680 Nice. Thanks for sharing
After 500 round on my gen 5 Tim trigger tit started to have reset issues. I probably have to clean it more n polish my trigger bar.
Keep monitoring. Some folks experience problems later on. In my experience it definitely seems sensitive to debris.
Well I haven't gotten the sluggish reset worked out. I may have a light trigger strike waiting to greet me when I get to the range but I ain't made it that far yet. I've tried both springs in the kit to no avail and then ordered the Johnny Glocks return spring and while it was better it still didn't fix the problem. This trigger is sluggish to reset and its an intermittent problem. Sometimes it works just fine and sometimes it doesn't. One thing I know for sure, I refuse to put anymore money into this. I'm gonna go back to my Agency trigger I've had enough.
I appreciate the update. Thank you for sharing with everyone.
I polished the tail on the striker and the bar on the Timney added a higher pound striker spring and it runs like a rabbit now. Installed on a 19
You had to fix a timing issue that shouldn't have been an issue from the start. That's the problem. Does your trigger bar have a dimple on it?
@@bunnyoperator i didn't mind, i am constantly tinkering with guns, parts have to be fit to the pistol sometimes.
@@driddle8534 That's your prerogative but did your trigger bar have a dimple at the vertical extension?
no i dont think so
@@driddle8534 Ok, it's still the Gen1 bar then. Thanks
A friend at the local range recently updated his gen 3 g19 with a Timney. He liked it except that he too was having about one light strike per magazine. I have a g19 with a Ghost Rocket connector, which requires some tuning. I have access to a mill so I was able to get rid of almost all of the overtravel. Quite frankly, I like my trigger better with just a $30 connector change.
That seems to be the general consensus. I don't find it to be worth the potential problems.
I have not run the trigger kit but running the enhanced feel trigger shoe in my g19 g5. Ran 500 rounds with it and so far, so good.
The shoe has been so far so good. Mine needed a little pretravel adjustment but it's been running fine so far.
I haven't shot with my Timney trigger yet but it sure feels like it's going to have light strikes. The snap sound and feel of dry firing the trigger verses my factory triggers in my 17, 27, 43 and 42 is way less of a sound and snap feel than with the Timney trigger. 1 light strike out of 100 rounds is unacceptable. I've never had a light strike out of a Glock. The factory Glock trigger bar catches the firing pin, then as you pull the trigger it further compresses the firing pin spring, giving it a harder strike on the primer. The Timney trigger doesn't compress the firing pin spring beyond the compression it's under when it's cocked.
Your firing pin might be contacting the plunger. The general consensus is that the Alpha affects timing, and sometimes to the point of causing malfunctions. Allegedly there is a new trigger bar out but I haven't seen one yet. I do know that the firing pin & connector kit they also sell did not solve my buddy's problems.
@@bunnyoperator If they have the plunger timing off, that's a big screw up. The shape of the trigger bar should be pretty simple to design and they can simulate the movements in Auto CAD before they machine the stamp mold used to stamp out the trigger bars. I would think a company known for great and expensive triggers would be above making that mistake. But then again, here is your video showing it causing your gun to fail.
@@CarbonGlassMan What's interesting is another commenter noted that there is a revised trigger bar with indentation dimple on the vertical extension similar to the Gen4 oem bar. They're probably thinking that would stabilize the bar but I'll wait for feedback on that. I'm sure we remember the folks stating the drag and heavier weight felt from the oem Gen4 due to the dimple.
@@bunnyoperator I don't believe that the dimple is there to stabilize the bar but to distinguish between the revised bar and the one being replaced. The new bar's striker block disconnecter is about .020" higher.
@@bunnyoperator I never liked the gen 4 trigger. I have a gen 4 G17 and one of the first things I did to it was replace the gen 4 trigger with a gen 3 trigger bar with a Ghost connector. After that it felt just like my gen 3 G23.
Wish i saw your video before i bought it. I'm having same problems!
That sucks. Which Glock gen do you have and does your trigger bar have a bump on the shark fin?
@@bunnyoperator 19Gen4, no the trigger bar is flat. Very disappointed on buying it!
@@ferdivisser1983 There's a Gen 2 bar out now but Timney hasn't made it public knowledge at all. They're handling this worse than the Sig P320 voluntary upgrade. 😂
I have the gen 5 alpha trigger I installed it myself on my Glock 19 gen 5 and I have well over 2,000 rounds through it I have not had one malfunction out of it
Thanks for the feedback. Do you know which generation you have? Does the trigger bar have a dimple? Do you have any aftermarket internals?
Nice video. Appreciate the info.
I'm glad it was helpful
Just purchased the timney alpha trigger for my glock 17 gen 5 and I hope it doesn't have the light strike issue :/. Also purchased the Johnny glock's trigger. Will test it out and see on weekend.
Good luck! Does your alpha have a dimple on the trigger bar (apparently that's an indication that it's gen3)? Where did you order from?
@@bunnyoperator Ordered right before watching your video, from black box customs. I'm not sure yet, it's sitting in the post office and will pick it up tomorrow. I'm planning to try it out on weekend and see.
@@bunnyoperator so, the trigger bar doesn't have a dimple on it and I started seeing some marking on the trigger bar caused by the firing pin block having contact with it. That is not a good indicator, to me seems the firing block have contact with the trigger bar possibly adding friction and slowing the firing pin down. I observed a few times the trigger is not able to reset by itself. Not sure lubricating will solve the problem.
@@jasonliu3202 Thanks for reporting back. That's a previous gen trigger bar. If you're experiencing problems, email Timney for a replacement gen3 bar.
The FP is dragging or contacting the plunger in the examples I've seen. It causes a timing alteration basically. Connector contact is apparently also a factor with this system.
As for the lag in reset, if you're using the red spring already then it's either the shoe dragging on your frame, the bar dragging elsewhere, or the pre travel setting needs adjustment.
Everyone seems to have a different experience with these. Good luck.
@@bunnyoperator I tried both the red spring and the silver one. Red doesn't seem to have the reset issue but the silver does. I prefer the silver tho feel like it has shorter pre-travel. I will try lubricating it to see if these things improved. I'm planning to visit the range tomorrow and do some live firing test. Thanks for the suggestions!!
So I've been going through these issues on my own for a while. I've noticed they are very picky about the connector, they don't like being dirty, they like the red spring best, and frame to slide fit is important. I've discovered something this weekend, look at your firing pin/ striker. I noticed my safety ledge was damaged, I replaced my striker and it stopped working! I tried to dry fire it a few times and it would only break on the second try if at all. Replaced the old striker and it worked fine. When I looked at the new striker that hadn't been fired it was already getting the same wear. I bet your lite strikes are firing pin drag. Strangely enough I haven't had light strikes until today when I put a 4 pounds striker spring in it when I put the old striker back in it.
What a coincidence... Timney released a Firing Pin & Connector kit for 80 bucks specifically for use in the Alpha kit. Now the total kit is nearly 250 bucks for something that may or may not work with your Glock.
I checked my striker and the safety ledge is damaged. :/
@@P00RKN00W that's no good. 😕
Had the same issue. "Fixed" it by shooting a countless amount of rounds through the gun and letting the mechanical action and "natural" wear of the parts do their work. But i agree this was extremely annoying. My light strikes indicated that the slide was out of battery due to their offcenter nature.
Thank you for the data point. Ours didn't appear to be a friction issue but a timing issue.
I had other "issues" besides "light strikes "how about multiple unwarranted discharges... YIKES!
Was your trigger fully resetting?
I’ve had the same issues and was able to get the light strike ratio down from 1:2 to 1:5 with polishing. It’s still not acceptable though. I’ve had four attempted emails with their customer service and have only gotten one reply. It’s frustrating and a damn shame.
Yes, that is quite unfortunate. Glad to see that you're speaking out as well.
@@bunnyoperator I really wanted it to work. I've installed and used a few earlier versions and they have been ok. I wish the triggers that have gone out in the past 6 months have been as good (but haven't).
@@Khoimike Agreed. I suspect it's a manufacturing and QC process issue.
New Timney runner here, What’s ups with all these aftermarket kits failing , the whole point is to be improved over stock. I’m getting double fires, and some safety plunger drag
I hear ya. It's saddening. Reach out to Timney and see what they say. Another follower mentioned that Timney took 2 weeks to reply and stated that a replacement trigger would be sent in 2-weeks due to back order.
I am wondering if they've altered the design for new inventory. I guess we'll know eventually.
@@bunnyoperator Maby I got the “corrected version” from yours which now causes it to double fire now 1/10 times . Idk not a single dud though yet so somethings going on over there
@@luckeypolishing That's not a good thing either, well for timing. 😅 Are you running OEM otherwise?
@@bunnyoperator yes all oem, yeah range employees be like 🤔
@@luckeypolishing 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah I have one on my glock19x and I got several light primer strikes and a few times it lagged with the trigger reset. I'm putting the stock trigger back in
Did your trigger bar have the dimple on it by chance?
@@bunnyoperator none that I could see
@@irongiant_actual OK there is a gen 3 (technically), so you could try to request a replacement bar from Timney CS if you want to keep trying it. There's also a striker/connector kit for 80 bucks more but that just makes the whole thing way too expensive. 😂
@@bunnyoperator yeah I'm not gonna fuss with it anymore. Just gonna sell it and let it be someone else's problem lol
@@irongiant_actual 🤣