5 Glock Upgrades You Should Avoid & 4 You Should Try
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2024
- After years of trying a vast majority of the Glock accessories, I'm sharing some of my least favorite, and some that I have grown to rely on.
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Best upgrades
1. Extra mags (from the maker)
2. 1000 rounds (fire these 1000 rounds, training)
3. Another 1000 rounds
4. Optic/site upgrade
5. Another 1000 rounds and more training.
I wish i did that sooner instead of buying a bunch of guns i barely shoot. Now i shoot to train.
Yep
I'd say, just from time to time buy a box or two of ammo even if you don't need it. So when you're ready to shoot an entire weekend there's no need to run to the store to get more.
Damn, you know your stuff!!!
@@yank98100why'd ya buy a buncha guns yank?
Dude, I wonder how many people you're talking to who can hit a target consistently with a glock at ranges of 100- 250 yards....seriously! Let's bring it back in for us mere mortals bro.
If I'm shooting something at 100+ yards, I don't plan on using a 9mm pistol. Wrong tool for the job.
I didn't get good with a glock until I started shooting my slow precision shots at distance. I can now hit an a zone target with reasonable consistency at 100 yards and fairly easily at 50. Upping my skills at range made me much faster at 25 and in since it really forces you to focus on technique. Everything is muscle memory after that. I still hate my glock but my department issued it so I decided to not suck with it. I can appreciate what it is capable of.
Why are you shooting 100-250 yards with a carry weapon? Lol.
If a threat is 100-250 yards away, I’m running in the other direction
Idk but it isn't you or the 19 people who thumbs upd this.
EDC carry my stock Glock 19 Gen 3 for 18 years with thousands of rounds thru it without any hickups. It's been a reliable beast straight out of the box with minimal maintenance.
I've had my Glock 19 Gen 5 for over a year now, north of 800 rounds and not a single problem. Kind of wish I got the MOS though, but I fell in love with it when I felt it in the hand.
I love how he's recommending not changing essentially anything on your stock Glock but he's pulling out aftermarket parts from his own guns 😂
That’s good, means he’s tried just about everything and doesn’t recommend it if you want a reliable EDC gun. During the video he said “if you know what you’re doing” a lot, so if you shoot competitively or know a lot about the gun then go for it.
AVOID
1:31 aftermarket barrels (unless you want a threaded one)
3:54 upper parts (except for backplate)
5:33 recoil spring (except for competition guns. If you must do it **maybe** get a SS or tungsten guide rod?)
8:33 aftermarket slides
10:56 cerakote (that is not done right)
11:30 **insert dirty jokes here**
12:16 aftermarket mags/baseplates
TRY
13:09 optic (and co-witness sights)
13:57 grip texture
15:24 steel sights
15:58 weapon light
Tyfys
@@MrPordnomel thank you for your sacrifice?
@@willybober2 no, service. Cuz he performed a service that allowed us to bullet-point
Try a p80 frame! With glock parts. That’s the business
Mvp
Honest Outlaw: “Don’t do these mods.”
Also Honest Outlaw: “Here are my personal Glocks with every single one of those mods done to each of them.”
🤣😂🤣
Was about to type out the same exact thing.
That’s probably why he’s saying not to do them… more of a heads up type thing.
Lol
Live and learn. And test. Ive done 💩 I’ll never do again. Done stuff I’ll repeat too. Learn the upsides and downsides
He’s probably telling us that from experience…
I've fiddled a lot with my carry Glocks and ended up just going back to stock. The SOB has got to fire every time when you need it.
this tru.
Why mess with perfection? Maybe better sights.
and most of the things people "dont like" will improve with training
@@tjjohnson4848 Trjicon or steel type night sights, 3 dot are + Glock upgrades ✔. I add HD-orange sights sights to my pistols.
@@tjjohnson4848
Yeah, thats the misunderstanding about 'Glock Perfection' They don't mean its a perfect pistol, they mean its as good as they could make it. Start screwing with the mechanicals and it becomes worse than unreliable, it becomes hazardous.
I actually went to YSS about 2 years ago and it’s nice to see you supporting them, they are good people and help lots of kids including myself
Upgraded all my Glocks with Talon grips and Ameriglo sights.
I tried the Ameriglos but I didn’t like them. I tried True glos and man I love them
@Scott Hughes I went with talon grips…they fill in the finger grooves on my Gen 3 nicely
I'm undecided on the Talon Grips. I like them when I'm shooting, but the sandpaper is too rough for appendix carry (at least for me personally). And the rubberized ones would likely get very slippery if your hands got bloody. I use the rubberized ones now for my carry gun but I've considered taking them off.
@Scott Hughes - Yes...that's why I mentioned it in my original comment...
@Scott Hughes - Ha, no worries. I thought I was going crazy there myself.
Bought my Gen2 back in 1994. Switched out the slide lock so I could get a better grip on it when breaking it down for cleaning. Other than that, it still runs like a top. 28 years and counting.
It blew my mind when you mentioned YSS. I was there back in 2017, it's awesome to hear someone that cares about the program
I’ve really appreciated your reviews and videos over the last few years. Thank you! You are one of 2 UA-camrs I know that don’t saw “Ummm” constantly while talking. Well focused conversation.
Great video. I was just having this exact conversation with an individual the other day. I was telling him, on my carry and defense pistols, I don’t change anything and leave everything stock. Beside what you spoke about, one also has to think if your gun malfunctions because of a defective factory part, you might have a legal recourse with the manufacturer, if you change stuff, you don’t have any legal recourse. You are the only one on you tube I’ve heard give this advise. All the other you tube personalities, encourage people to change parts because they are being paid to say it.
Thank you for being honest.
..I can’t think of one ‘reputable’ Yt-er that condones changing internals for aftermarket parts FOR “better reliability”, and of course in a situation as you stated would then NOT have recourse with a voiding warranty issue. Plus, there’s the topic of “legal ramifications” when ‘souping’ these pistols up AND getting into an altercation and finding yourself on the witness stand explaining to the jury and prosecution as to “why you felt the need to lighten the trigger”, etc. Wouldn’t want to go down THAT rabbit hole…
Best Glock upgrade is anything else.
Upgraded my G19 ......bought a Shadow Systems MR 920 Elite .......
Man, I love your videos, you tell it like it is. Straight to the point and give your honest opinion. Loving it!!!!
@Honest Outlaw - I’m in Indianola, glad I’m subscribed to your channel. I’ve been finding your videos very helpful.
Only thing I changed in my gen 3 Glock 17 was switching the stock recoil spring for a tungsten guide rod of the same spring weight. 500 rounds later and she still runs like a dream!
Exactly, replaced the plastic recoil guide in my Glock 43X MOS with a pure tungsten guide rod and she shoots flatter now. Money well spent for defensive purposes.
500 rds are not that many at all 😂 Usually shoots thousands
I was just at 500 after changing it when I made the comment is all 😂 I’m up past 5000 now and it’s still running smooth! Went through a couple training courses with it with no malfunctions
I count by 10,000s. Come back when you’ve got a real rd count… 🥱
So basically, your gun functioned 100%, so you modified it so it would function 100%? Ok, great advice chief….thanks a bunch….
I just bought my first Glock, and tbh it seems fine the way it is. I like it; it shoots well, it's accurate and reliable. It's not exciting, but I didn't buy it to be exciting. I bought it to carry on my person in case someone tries to attack me. It does that quite well so far, and without any modifications.
As a long time user of Glocks, I can assure you your Glock is fine; however, there are finer handguns available if your needs change in the future.
@@SectionChief - "Get yourself a Glock and get rid of that nickel-plated sissy pistol"
Yep. No NEED to change anything, just KNOW what defense ammo it runs reliably..EVERY squeeze of the trigger.
@@m118lr To add well made after market steel night sights is ✔. Ameriglos or Trijicon HDs. Both brands are a good upgrade. I'd add Magpul Glock mags are cheap, decent for range training but you may have problems, 9mm mags after a bit. Stick with factory made quality Glock magazines for ccw, duty use.
That’s how I see carry guns. Unless like the grip angle screw with you or something I don’t see a reason not to go with a gun with a track record like the Glocks, J-frames, M&Ps, etc.
I do want some guns for fun that are cool but that’s different for me.
Very helpful. Thanks for taking the time to give an honest review about these upgrades 👌🏼
As always, real good educational video. Thank you Mr. and Mrs. Outlaw!
lots of good advice here for your viewers. ive been a factory certified Glock armorer (and many others as well) for 25 years (LE) and seen many guns altered with non factory parts that did not cycle well that returned to absolutely reliable when factory parts were reinstalled..so listen to this guy ladies and gents this is good info! the most important thing a handgun has to be is RELIABLE! i too like the stippling as offer it to my after hours clients as well. I do not advocate replacing trigger systems with non factory units on duty guns or defensive pistols but cleaning up stock triggers is fine. if you are going to run quality base pad extensions on magazines carried for duty of defense make certain they are tested frequently to insure they will function properly if left fully loaded for long periods of time . the same can be true with non modified mags as well!
Which base pad extensions would you say are the most reliable for Glock?
Good advice from a guy who takes 200 yard (2 football fields lined up) with a 4’ barrel. 😂
Absolutely agree with you on the parts changing, I only change the safety plunger and recoil spring assembly for internal parts, and sights for external! I use only the stainless steel or heavy tungsten rod systems that are captive, and heavier Springs than the factory standard weight. I'm shooting both the 10mm and the .40 S&W, and minimum of 180 grain bullets in both, nothing lighter unless I absolutely have to. In the full size 10mm I went with 24 pound spring, 23 pounds in my 29, and 22 pounds in both my .40s, and they work awesome! My 27 is a bit snappy to shoot with the factory recoil spring assembly so I use the heavy tungsten in it, and stainless steel in my 22 gen5. All of my Springs are round wire, not the flat wire standard type.
Definitely agree with you on the issue of magazines, the Glock mags are great and plentiful and people are very well advised to stick to them! I have no other types around, at all! What do you use for optics? I've never used optics on pistols before, though alot of my friends do, and I see more and more of them being used all the time!
Just bought a g19 mos gen five. It’s getting a tlr7 hl Holosun scs and a diy stipple. Will never mess with the internals. Glock knows what they’re doing much better then I do
100% agree with replacing internal parts. I bought a new trigger kit for my 21 and it came with the "upgraded" extractor .. now she doesn't feed with the 27 round mag sticks. Cerakote should only be on external parts to help protect it IMO. I was looking to get a 29 and upgrading the barrel just for a bit more velocity and weight for follow up controllability but after watching this I'll see how I like it with just training first before going mod-crazy. Great video
One of my favorite extra grip options is bicycle inner tube. Cut it to size and shape and slide it on. It also does a good job of keeping the Glock back straps in place
I did a barrel from kkm non threaded same length for the g20 gen4 for a better supported chamber for reloading and I have to say I am very pleased so far, shoots like a dream.
Dido!👍
I gotta agree with you again,love customizing my glocks. Here's what works for me in barrels 1. Zev barrels 2.True procession barresl and an old Storm Lake stainless barrel all worked perfectly from day one. I've learned the hard way and stick with OEM glock parts only on all my slide except, 1 Glock 17 that has a Apex extractor kit and plunger and a Zev Duty Slide with a RMR cut and she runs perfect.Slides only only recommend Zev duty for defense in G17 or G19 RmR cut,sold my Brownell' slides didn't like them 1 I had to return because of extractor channel and they felt wired to" me during recoil'off balance" on the other hand the Zev duty feel good I own both model for the G17 and G19 .
Thankyou for this video!
I just purchased a Glock 26 and so far I’ve only changed to truglo sights and added the handle extension!
I was going to buy a barrel and all new top half springs etc… NOW, I think I’ll just change my backplate and get a sick holster. 🙏🔥
My boss at a gun store where I used to work was once asked, “What’s the difference between factory and aftermarket magazines?”
He answered, “Life and death.”
I was at a pistol match a few weeks ago and a swat officer was running his duty gun. Glock 34 with a light and a red dot. He was running an OEM magazine and had a failure, of course he cleared and got back to firing so quickly it was barely noticed. Any gun can fail at anytime, and messing with a stock pistol can increase those odds.
@@pollock56th..got that right. Exactly
What about them magpul mags? Never had an issue with those.
@@JohnSmith-xv2ob even oem magazines can fail, I never had a mag pul fail, a glock oem magazine failed once and a shield arms magazine once. Train to quickly get the malfunction cleared.
Too many people trade 10 rounds for sure, for 15 rounds "for maybe" with those Shield Arms mags.
I’d recommend a tungsten guide rod and spring. The ones from Glock store are already put together and you can shop by gun model. They really really cut down on recoil and make it run smoother but, it’s really everyone’s personal preference that’s why guns and the gun community is great it’s all about what you like/want.
Please define smoother….
noun: smoother; plural noun: smoothers
1. a device or substance used to give something a flat, regular surface or appearance.
I changed my factory gen 5 barrel for a wheaton arms cold hammer forged barrel. I did this mainly for the increased barrel life. I have had 0 issues for over 15 thousand rounds through my 19xand I'm loving it. In terms of accuracy it's not a major difference maker. I also have the tungsten guide rod from the glock store. Last mod i have is I just added some ameriglo sights on it. Great video and I love the practicality as well as the proven truthful information. Keep up the great content.
Thanks Honest Outlaw I always enjoyed your very educational videos that you put out. I agree on about adding customization and changing your stock gun. I it does change reliability on your firearm. The only thing I change on my glock 48 was the slide. I got a new slide from zaffiri precision. Since the glock 48 I bought when it first came out was not a mos model. I wanted the option to have a mos slid. Just swap all the the firing components unto the new slide. Haven't had any issues so far. Thanks again for the videos and I look forward to watching more.
Timney alpha trigger! I have one in a gen 3 19 and one on a gen 5 34 that I carry for duty every day….super reliable trigger that is just SMOOTH!
The Timney alpha trigger is not a duty trigger. It lives on the borderline of primer ignition depending on the ammo because the Timney sear does not hold the firing pin lug very far back, therefore it barely compresses the firing pin spring. That is partly why it is so light and why Timney only advertises them as Competition triggers.
@@bench175 if I use it on duty it’s a duty trigger.
@@robcranston6030 I agree with you Rob! I have tried many aftermarket triggers over the years. The Timney alpha is the best one I’ve found. All my Glocks are fitted with the Timney.
That’s great your agency gives you that option. I’ve only worked for agencies that make you get an armories to change the grips.
look into the Johnny Glock's combat conversion for the timney triggers
I upgraded my G23 with a stainless steel guide rod from the Glock store and they have a good chart to show weight. I went up 1lb and it works great never had a issue. I also did the competition spring kit and 3.5 ghost. The reset is amazing and I love it 😊
I plan to add a stainless after market Glock Store Glock 22 gen 4 recoil spring to my gun. I don't plan to shoot 5000rd 10000rd for at least 6-8yr. I'd add that Glock Store slide lock, disassemble is worth the $. I've put GS parts on 6, 7 Glock models since 2014 or so. Very well made, speeds up field strip, cleaning.
My steel guide rod has 1500 rounds under it's belt. Not a problem. The polymer would probably be fine but c'mon, it's steel. The sights is the only thing I would change with Glock.
Ive changed everything on all of my glocks and they run excellent. Ets mags work great do not buy promags.
I broke the glock stainless steel guide rod. Went to titanium. Testing higher power for the woods. Too many bear encounters
@@pitchforkpeasant6219 Do yourself a favor if you are betting your life on it use bear spray.
Awesome I was always told to get a upgraded spring and rod. I am a LE Firearms Instructor and so many say to change it , but you cleared that question up for me. I am also a G34 fan , it’s Glock 9mm 1911, I love it . It’s really easy to drive to the target, thanks again you are great and honest, no pimping out to these manufacturers.
Have you done a review of the 7.5 Bruno?
This is the most helpful Glock you tube video I’ve seen so far!!!!! Thank you
I'll admit I'm a gun novice. The second handgun I bought was a glock gen 5 g19 for the ambidextrous slide release. I bought that because of the known reliability. I now have other guns, but I love the stock glock, never fails. Sadly I'll say it has stood up better than my 1911 lol. But this video is a great assurance that I went right with the Glock.
Thank you for the great information. I have never owned a Glock but have been thinking about getting the model 20 in 10mm. I just watched hickor45 who’s videos are great and in his Glock 10mm video he changed the barrel over to a stainless steel barrel so he could shoot lead bullets. He just mentioned he had done that and didn’t elaborate on it although he said he normally likes to leave well enough alone. That would be the reason I would change out the barrel but surly would not want to affect reliability. Thank you again for your great video.
A coating I have had very good results with is DLC. On barrels, slides, and safety plungers. It's VERY durable, and very low friction.
I love how are you guys are straight to the point not a bunch of jargon and just yada yada yada some people just talk so much and half the shit they say makes no sense extra yes I just wanna hear videos that has full good content ! U it man !!
YES. I wish I knew this 10 years ago! For upper small parts, OEM is always better. I only swap barrels with reloads, and springs (as you said) should only be changed if necessary. I’ve noticed the smaller the pistol is, the more sensitive to small changes it will be. Any changes in slide weight (cuts,optics, etc) might force you to get into the spring experimentation game. I’ve only had one pistol cerakoted, and it took 500 rounds of wear-in before it ran well again. Again-I wish I knew this a long time ago…
Can cosign this one. Switched the recoil spring once on my Glock 48. For a while, it ran fine...better even. Then, one day, while disassembling it for cleaning, it dug into the frame and jammed it for 2 weeks. Thankfully, it wasn't loaded.
First thing I did with my Glock 19 Gen 5 was to change out the sights and added a Holosun 507c red dot with metal co-witness sights while keeping everything else stock. I also got rid of the free Glock magazine loader and created my own that loads 15 rounds in about 36secs using a syringe style loading method.
You should be able to load 15 rounds in about 35 seconds just by your hand. After reading your comment I just tried to load my 17 round factory mag. Took 38 seconds
@@toptiertech7291 LOL, good for you. LOL
@@magspeedloader oh are your widdle feelings hurt because you wasted your time making a loader?
@@toptiertech7291 🤣🤣🤣 LOL
I recommend the maglula. Not really necessary for loading 1-2, but it definitely saves my thumbs on a full range day.
My recoil spring was plastic on my glock. Snapped and shot out the front... I replaced it w/ the Tungsten spring... LUV LUV LUV IT!!!
Nice commentary informative Don’t care who you are or what you do we learn new things from different perspectives every day. Have a blessed day brother
Only things I ever replaced were the factory sights with trijicon sights and the connector with a ghost inc 4.5lb connector. Everything else is stock and has never let me down.
All I’ve done is sights, “trigger polish”, and a G34 slide lock because “extension”
I installed a tungsten carbide guide rod in my friends 40 caliber glock, so it would mitigate recoil and muzzle flip so his wife would be able to shoot it. She loves it, and it worked amazingly.
Was that an oem replacement?
I did one thing he said not to (recoil spring). I haven't had any problems, but I still have the stock one. I also did the 25¢ polish job on the internals, and it is smooth as glass. Of course I replaced the trigger too (Apex) but didn't lower the trigger pull to keep it safe. Thanks not only for the advice but the explanations. Take care.
I learned the last 3 years of twiddling with Glock OEM, good aftermarket , cheap aftermarket parts is to label them. I took inventory of each pistol I bought. Gut it them, took pictures of the parts, labeled them and in some cases marked them. Plastic baggies, daily vitamin pill containers are perfect for return springs, ejectors, extractor, firing pins, spring cups, etc. Oem parts are better made, crudely "finished". Good aftermarket parts are highly polished and fit expertly. Questionable parts stick like a sore thumb. Sometimes they work, sometimes they SUCK. Sometimes the cheap parts complement the OEM parts. It's a plethora, hodgepodge of things. Great video.
Extended Slide release is a must for me. Plus I've had luck with shadow extractors. I also like Maritime cups.
What are the benefits of maritime cups?
@@jeremyfreeman1659 less light strikes. As in none for me. The idea of shooting underwater is silly but less light strikes.
I also use KKM barrels. I find they improve groups a bit and I have thousands of round through several guns with no probs. Great video
I bought stainless KKMs for my 2 M&P 4.25 model pistols. Well made, durable. Note, KKM offers 🚑🚒🚓 mil discounts. ✔
I have four Glocks with stock barrels and never needed anything else.
I added a threaded gold tin barrel from wheaton arms to my g19 and a slide from DWS. Looks 👌🏽 shoots like a dream.
Nice video, I have plenty of guns and shoot alot. But I can't pretend to know everything, I appreciate the advice and insight on what actually works.
Bought a G20 for hiking. It bulged brass at the base so it was questionable if it was safe to reload. Ordered KKM barrel longer than factory to get extra velocity and no more bulged brass. Extra barrel length made the gun cycle so fast the brass would eject and hit the slide denting the brass. Installed MUCH heavier recoil spring to slow down slide. Did the job, and brass is saveable from weaker loads, still gets dented on the super hot stuff. Hoping that adding a reddot will add enough weight to slow the slide a Bit more. Just gets hard to justify when getting the slide cut costs almost the same as a XDME with an optic ready slide.
That bulging you saw was because Glock uses unsupported barrels to increase reliability. And a lot of the aftermarket barrels are supported. I'm not a very big fan of unsupported barrels. I'd rather put in a supported barrel and clean it a little more often.
@@davidwagner2280 Yes. The KKM barrel is fully supported. It came very highly recommend. And I see why, it is top notch.
I had to switch out for a heavier recoil spring on my G20. When shooting heavy buffalo bore hard cast it was blowing the primers out. The heavier spring fixed the problem and no reliability issues, even shooting light 40 cal for practice.
@@warren3665 Are you running a gen 3 or 4? Where did you get the recoil setup? I had to order mine from eBay, because no reputable company carries a heavier setup for gen 4, that I could find.
I got an aftermarket KKM barrel for my glock 20 so i can shoot hard cast out of it. It’s not recommended to shoot that through a stock barrel. But that’s specifically because I was wanting it for bear defense.
@Scott Hughes Yes, here in Europe we all have blow up stock barrels from shooting lead bullets.
I had a great Cerakote grey Glock 20 gen 4 10mm, 2.5yr. 0 problems with factory 10mm, Glock magazines. I bought a match grade stainless Storm Lake .40 converted barrel in 2018. The pistol cycle fired ok but about every 50-100 .40S&W rounds, it had a minor flub. The .40 and 10mm are off size wise by about 1mm. The Glock 20 gen 4 had a few after market parts; Glock Store, Tango Down. The Glock grey coating held up, no issues(NIB from Glock).
@Scott Hughes maybe if you shoot three thousand hard cast lead bullets in a row without cleaning
@Scott Hughes yeah I'm aware they say not to. But as long as you clean it every now and again you should be ok. I mainly reload all my peestol ammo with berry's copper plated bullets which aren't technically raw lead bullets and they shoot fine. But I've shot a few straight lead hard cast loads out of OEM and I was fine. Just have to be more aware I guess. But the good thing about Glock is tons of aftermarket barrels so you can shoot all the lead you want! Zev and like wolf come to mind
I have the TLR7-A mounted on my AR and it's great. Very small and lightweight and still plenty of light for me.
The only thing I did on my Gen 3 Glock is the good ole 25 cent trigger job and honestly it really helped with no reliability problems at all. The good thing was it makes the trigger feel nicer but does not make it too lightweight where it's unsafe. Although if you didn't know what you're doing you could really screw something up.
I've never had any problems with anything I've picked up from Zev.
However, I did play around with trigger pull a bit and ran into the light primer strike issue. Just returned the firing pin spring to stock to resolve it.
I prefer to keep things out of the box, except for the New York trigger, installed by a Glock-certified tech. Really fixes the squishy trigger issue and would look good in a court if you wound up as a defendant.
My go-to handgun is a Gen4 G31, and it’s been a great gun. Gen4 grip texture is outstanding right out of the box, and they have the enlarged mag release from the factory. Only things I’ve added are an extended slide release and night sights. Extended slide release is easier to manipulate for me, but I did have to adjust my grip a little to avoid lock-back failures. Never had a problem with the factory sights over years of use and carrying, but I wanted them to be usable in the dark, so I eventually upgraded to some AmeriGlo tritium 3-dots. They work good and are very visible in the dark, but I wish they didn’t have such sharp corners on the rear sight. Definitely given me a few scratches over the years.
I also have a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel for it. Definitely not as well-made or reliable as the factory barrel, but it works great for practice. In fact, I think the occasional malfunction during practice can be a good thing.
G31 I like it! One of my go to’s!
I've owned a few drop in Alpha LWD barrels & KKMs. KKMs with a OEM Glock, slide will do fine. LoneWolf Alphas can cause a few jams, problems but after a few 100 factory rounds can smooth out.
Awesome video brother nice to see somebody so honest about everything why make a mistake if you can learn from one great stuff man keep it up.
Great start to a rainy Sunday! Love the videos
Your friend had issues with cerekote because the Shadow 2 has veey tight tolerances compared to a glock or polymer gun. So adding an extra layer of paint in between the already tightly fit slide and internals is asking for a problem.
I've had guns Cerakote before and I've bought NIB factory Glocks with regular Cerakote. 🎨. I'd suggest; 1 find a well run, certified Cerakote shop or gun smith. 2 Do not have barrels Cerakoted. I had a factory new Glock 22 gen 5 barrel, Cerakote Elite. The tolerances, fit were tight too. Barrel got a lot of scuffs, scratches from the Glock recoil guide rod. 😖 3 If you are looking at Cerakote, see the new E or Elite series. My gen 5 Glock 22 MOS coated with Elite, Concrete grey looks sharp, has 0 rust, no major scuffs or streaks other than the barrel-recoil guide rod area(contact). I'd suggest Elite for any gen 4 or gen 5 series Glocks.
I had Glock sights actual wear down. I had a G17 i bought in 91 and a G22 in 93. They were my carry guns for years. The plastic sights never broke but eventually wore down after 20 years of in and out of holster. Have metal Trijicons on them now.
How do you “wear out” sights..just REALLY curious?
I like the overall QC of the Trijicon brand HD pistol sights. They are bright, durable, steel. HDs are duty, defense style are + BUT be aware a scuff or scratch may cause a sharper edge. 😖 Wayne Novak, the WV gunsmith designed great carry-ccw sights that address concealment. Rounded, blended for ccw.
I find the OEM Glock sights absolute garbage both because they are plastic and I just hate the sight picture huge dot thick front sight post and that U white outline in the rear is horrible. When I buy a new Glock I know it will cost me 150 for new sights. Love Glocks hate the sights
@@m118lr the man said from holstering in and out after 20 years
I strongly agree with about replacing slides parts. I had nothing but jams in my pistol. I put the stock one back and it ran like a champ!
What do you recommend for a red dot for a Glock 40 for defense
You might like the Grip Force Adapter, especially on your older gen guns.
They help me get a higher grip on the gun, and control recoil better.
I worked for a big box sporting goods retailer based out of Texas for 10yrs. Yes i worked the gun counter. We recieved a glock from glock with a broken OFF rear sight.
Also i have been using a stainless guide rod spring system for a couple years in my g17s gen 3 and have had NO ISSUES. I currently carry gen 5 g19 and have left it STOCK except for the sights. I use the ameriglo pro i dot sights. AWESOME!
I bought a " pure tungsten guide " and actually appreciated the less recoil and better accuracy provided for my Gen 5 19.
I just ordered a few items from them for my Glock 22 Gen 4 to reduce recoil. Hopefully I get the same experience
I have a Glock 17, Glock 26, and S&W Shield 2.0.
The only things I've changed on the Glocks are, added Tritium sights, extended slide lock(getting old and hands and fingers don't work as well as they used to), and Talon Grips.
The Shield stayed the same straight out of the box.
MCarbo makes amazing spring options for Glocks. I have a M Carbo Gen4 spring kit in my Shadow Systems DR920 and 1000 rounds flawless. With a 3.5 connector and the shadow flat face trigger.
I'm not fond of changing springs, and triggers on guns. The sights are a different story because they don't interfere with dependability. I've always thought that the gunsmiths at Glock, S&W, Beretta, they make a lot of $$ designing these guns and smarter than the average Joe so better to leave factory. And the DA can't bring it up if you have to use it. Love the videos👍👍
I know this is for Glocks, but I personally swapped out the recoil spring on my Security-9 from the stock 17lb to a stainless steel 20lb and it made a sizable difference. Very good change if you know why you’re doing it and what it does.
What noticeable differences?
Yall should do stress tests on OE glocks vs glocks with customizations. Would be pretty cool, ie windows vs serrations vs trigger upgrades vs optics vs combinations vs classic out of the box. Also great content yall are killing it
With the guide rod and spring assembly, if the stock is a 15 lbs spring, I use a 15 lbs spring on the tungsten guide rod. Never had any issues.
I always do three things to my glocks.
Tritium sights, Tungsten guide rod, and a mag well. If it's older and the coat is wearing off, I will send it in for a new Nitride.
It's good practice to keep the recoil spring stock on the Gen 4+ and any of the 9mm guns prior to gen 4 are GTG. I highly recommend you UP the recoil spring a few pounds in the early .40/10mm models. They use an underpowered spring and they were increased woth Gen 4. Glocks generations are in effect the approved upgrades to things they could've done better, so I see no reason why you can't natch those changes if you know what you're doing.
My glock 23 still runs like a Honda civic with a #20 wolff spring and rod and #6 striker spring (for stubborn primers).
Did a trigger job and all that. Now, I should mention this has taken me 2 years of wasting a lot of time, patience and money.
What ammo are you typically running in your G23 and what benefits did you capture by moving to a 20# recoil spring? My range/training ammo is factory 180gr, but my defense/carry ammo is 135gr. I'm concerned that if I bump up the spring weight in my G23 Gen3 from the current 17lb to, say, the 20lb, it'll short stroke on the 135gr. (I run a tungsten guide rod). Thoughts?
@rem700longunner for starters, I would ditch the tungsten guide rod. Counterintuitively, ot increases felt recoil amd tungsten is brittle and the guode rods are prone to snapping amd cracking. The steel don't weigh much (good thing) amd will never break. I'd switch to a steel uncaptured rod from Wolff and switch to Wolff springs. i have never had a single malfunction in my g23 build, even limp wristing left handed with no mag. Shoot exclusively 165-180 gr but I prefer 165 gr +p gold dot loads from underwood and I train with federal syntech 165 mainly, but it doesn't really matter what I feed my glock; as long as it's 165 gr it'll cycle. Keep in mind I also tuned every other spring including the mags to match the recoil spring/cyclic rate of this specific glock. Glock springs all have to balance together for the proper reliability we have come to expect from a glock to manifest.
It depends on the energy you're generating with those 135 gr rounds but at that point I think you should just convert to a G32 and shoot .357 sig. You'd be shooting 125 gr 9mm hollow points at over 1400 fps using bottlenecked 40 casings.
I personally stay away from those light loads for that exact reason. They're also not that effective for self defense from the research and testing I've done.
I carry and practice with 165 gr. In my opinion it's just the right mix of mass and velocity. BIG FAN of the Underwood Gold Dot 165 gr +p but it's been difficult to source lately. Winchester ranger t bonded is a nice alternative but my go to would obviously just be a regular Gold Dot. Sig v crown also work well. As do Hornady critical duty. The Underwood / +p loads push about 1150 fps out of the g23 barrel. Standard loads push about 1050 fps. I won't get into the math but basically the energy from a 40 being fired moves the slide back with about 20% more force than 9mm for obvious reasons despite pushing the same velocities so running a 20 or 22lb spring is ideal for gen 2 and gen 3 glock 23 shooting standard loads, a fact glock likes to avoid acknowledging and a fact "glocksmiths" who paid for a 2 hr armored course still can't accept.
If you have a gen 5 they really got the recoil springs right in the 40 there. 9mm was a little too stiff so they switched back to a lighter spring (old gen 4 weight) for the 9mm lineup in gen 5.
If you insist on using those light loads for self defense then you may actually want to try a lighter recoil spring for those, maybe 14-16 lbs, and see how that feels. While you pickup the guide rod amd spring from Wolff you might as well grab a 20 lb spring for 7 extra dollars so you can try it.
It basically directs the recoil energy into a more straight back into the palms and wrist feel as opposed to the standard "snap" from a 40. Feels much more like 357 sig in fact. Highly recommend it.
I've even shot old random assorted rounds I found in a storage container and the whole mag cycled and locked back without issue. It's worth a shot.
@rem700longunner if that's too long to read I get it. Mainly 165 gr. Brand is irrelevent and functions 100% with everything I feed it.
Ejection pattern is better especially combined with gen 4 ejector and enhanced extractor. Felt recoil is more of a straight back press into the wrists and palms instead of an upward "snap" so typical of .40 glocks.
Basically all I did was make the spring weights what they should've always been. People praise the gen 5 40s because of how much better the recoil is, amd ots entirely possible to emulate with a 20/22 lb spring and steel rod. Alternatively they have gen 3 dual spring style rods you can try but I can't recommend them as I stick with Wolff and get great results
$10 skateboard grip tape would be a decent alternative to Talon grips, only downside is it isn't precut etc for your specific firearm, that said you'll have a ton of material to work with
Fellow Iowan here, I am in your area quite a bit. Good to see someone in my state is putting out good content. As an LEO I’d like to be able to ask questions, if you can help me out I’d like to hear from you. My extra money is going to my local food pantry.
This video helps a lot got my 1st Glock a couple of days ago the 19x
You're right, people generally don't understand springs, their function and how to tune them. Do your research.
For grip improvement I often like the tread traction tape like you'd put on your pickup step/bumper, stair treads, etc. "Tread safety tape" (name may vary) is available in home depot, etc., usually in the paint dept. and comes in a long enough roll that you'll never run out. I have a parkerized Browning Hi Power and it's worn and very slick, some tape pieces in all the right contact points (front of slide where serrations would be, grip areas, thumb rest points, etc.) work fantastically well. Glocks definitely benefit from this *semi-permanent* (the word you were looking for) solution and using a heat gun/hair dryer to warm, form and adhere the tape is a good idea. The texture is a bit rough at first but wears into the texture you want, not out of it.
The other thing I always use is the plastic, recoil spring buffer that's a "donut" that goes between the end of the guide rod and slide which reduces the hard impact and lengthens slide and rod wear. As for felt recoil, any difference in feel is negligible.
One warning about lights, people let ego control their decision making process when they buy a weapon light. It has to be the best name brand and light up 100yds. This is often a big mistake *unless* your going to be fighting outdoors, at night, at distances of 50+ yds.
Having a weapon light with too much power in a home/close quarters situation is going to wash out your target, flood back in your face and impress your vision and give a very good target for your opponent to shoot.
If you're going to be using a light for your house and lighting up a hallway, 200 is enough and 300 is plenty. Getting 500 and more lumens on a defensive pistol is going to hurt you as much as help. As for type...
Get a 2-300 lumen light with a quick connect clamp and an activation switch that is ambidextrous and easily activated. The brand just needs to be one with good ratings over expensive labels. I have a $40 light on my Glock 17 that uses a CR123 battery, rubber covered, push button, 3 function (low, high, strobe) contact switch at rear of the light so either thumb works (I don't like the side-activated switches so much) and it's momentary or detent capable. It's strong enough to light a hallway or room, clearly identifying what im aiming at without blinding me in the process. It's also not too heavy or bulky. I can't remember the name off hand but itcwas an eBay find. I've had it for several years, good battery life and no malfunction whatsoever. I'm not saying don't get a name brand, I'm just saying you don't *have* to. The biggest thing is to remember, enough light is important, too much light is a detriment so, decide what environment you'll be in and buy accordingly. Are you really going to be facing bad guys outside at 100 yards and need to identify the color of their eyes? Probably not.
*A tip...*
When using your light inside, such as a hallway, have your weapon in a low ready position and shine your light *down,* letting it reflect up onto your target, it will not identify your face as a good place for them to shoot/hit as you're moving to your safe zone nor blind yourself as well as them.
You can move the light to their face quickly enough and still blind and identify the target without hindering yourself in the process.
If you're shooting a Glock at 150 to 200 yards I'm not sure what kind of gunfight you're in. That kind of shooting is done with a rifle. You should turn around and beat feet if you're shooting that far away in a gunfight
Pistol sniping with an adrenaline rush doesn't sound like a good combo
That one long-slide with the comp, dot, etc is badass!!
Your barrel tip makes sense, I put together a p80 and PSA slide with griffen armament barrel, run through parts that are made by a common well known even PSA.
Am I the only one crazy enough that got mine converted to .460 Rowland and actually conceal carried it for a few years?
A man of culture.
Yes I believe you are
@@robcranston6030 I mean who doesn't love the energy of a 44mag in a former 45acp frame? The only reason I stopped carrying it, after talking to a friend lawyer, is because apparently if used in self defense the judge and jury would nail you, citing the fact that you willingly used an overpowered and "inhumane" amount of force.
God help whoever attempts to rob/assault you. Then again, hope your aim is good 🤷🏻♂️
@@mariorossi9300 that’s ridiculous. If you want to carry an RPG for self defense you shouldn’t have to worry about anything inhumane unless of course you get the granny behind you with the back blast accidentally.
I did a ghost inc trigger kit for the firing pin spring and safety spring, and never had a light strike. I used the heavier of the two springs included in the kit for the pin though, the lighter one has a lot of reliability issues, I've heard, so I didn't use the competition spring.
Im gonna check these out... The reviews are all positive from what I see
I bought a stainless steel rod and spring captured. Dropped it in. Never did and tinkering with it. Works perfect
Thank you I have a Glock 43X MOS on the way and have wondered about some of this.
I have done every mod to my gen 3 17 that you warned against and had no issues so far after almost 1000 rounds, but I will say I spent way too much money on making it look cool. Could've bought a staccato with all I've spent on the glock and I should've.
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez let's hope you don't have to use it and your $2000 doesn't end up in a police evidence room
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez you wanted a "combat" handgun, yet you sent 2k on riceing it out.
It is all about the quality of parts. There is a ton of crap parts out there whose main benefit is they look Tacticool.
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez that’s 5000 rounds of 9mm. So much training.
@@mc4906 That's not his fault though; that's the police stealing shit because nobody stops them.
I'm gonna press back on the "not replacing recoil spring"
I replaced my factory recoil spring on my 26 and the added weight and rigidity has tightened my group and reduced jams A LOT!
Are you getting a lot of jams on your Glock? As a general rule, it's very hard to make a Glock malfunction.
If your Glock was jamming with the factory recoil spring, then that thing was completely worn out…. a new factory spring would have fixed the issue too
..sounds like an ammo problem to me.
I plan to drop in a stainless Glockstore brand gen 4 recoil guide rod in my used Glock 22. I agree with HO that you do not 🚫 need fancy recoil guide rods. Another You Tube, Glock guy said you are best served by keeping the factory Glock part in the firearm.
@@masonboard I agree with HO that when you start to mix, match Glock parts 🤔 factory, light, heavy, Ti coated, stainless etc you may be asking for new problems. I would also agree the KKM Glock barrels do have + quality. I have 2 new LWD 🐺 after market Glock 22 gen 4 series. .40 and 9mm/9x19mm. I'll see how they do.
I watch a few different shows and yours is tops. I put you right there with the old timers but a younger view. Jerry m Hickok, very knowledgeable.
Thank you
Thank you so much! I was thinking about replacing the recoil spring, but not now. I'll just stay stock since it's my carry weapon.
I know you could get guns that have factory upgrades on them but I still like Glocks. They are reliable out the box, the trigger eventually gets better. The sights suck but for its main purpose, self defense, they are fine. Also my PCC uses Glock mags, as do many PCCs so that's another reason why I like Glocks. Not to mention the aftermarket.
That said I did upgrade the sights with Amerigo sights with blacked out rear is just easier for me. Talon grip and extended mag release and slide release. All cheap upgrades.
Glock triggers never get better without working on them and aftermarket springs/parts. All of my glocks have beautiful triggers none of them left untouched....and all of my glocks i would absolutely trust my life with to go bang when needed.
The two upgrades I do on all my Glocks are real sights (typically Trijicon HD) and a trigger guard undercut. Neither impact reliability whatsoever. I do like a quality stipple job but it’s not a “must have”. Light is a must for home defense and a “nice to have” on a carry gun but I don’t consider it a modification. I did build out a ZEV Glock 19 with all the bells and whistles but it’s just s range and competition toy.
I love this channel. Thank you for the content!
I like adding a tungsten rod with regular factory spring set up. So far I have done this with a g30, g17, g19 and g43x MOS and have not noticed any issues with misfeed or jams compared to factory rod and spring. 100% agree about aftermarket barrels though. Only used 2 (Lone Wolf and I dont even remember the other brand. Both times resulted in excessive problems.
Only changes I made to my carry Glock 26:
Shadow Systems (Meprolite) iron sights to match presentation with my DR920.
Johnny Glocks 5.5(?) connector to give me a nice "two stage" trigger.
LTT baseplate dingus for safer reholstering.
Strike Industries +2 baseplates.
The Timney alpha trigger is an amazing upgrade at a ridiculous price of $150. Doesn’t mess with the reliability or safety of the Glock, as the usual trigger “upgrades” would. Or even changing the trigger shoe and bar on my 43x made a world of difference. Last things I think are also important- depending on the shooter and size of gun- are extended slide releases (like $30 directly from Glock) and extended magazine release (also made by Glock. Vickers tactical also has an affordable one).
Timney Alpha trigger is known for not being drop safe. Load a mag with a dummy round on top, charge the pistol, then drop it from 6 feet on carpet from several angles to check the drop safety.
@@5jjt Actually, after looking at all of the videos posted and articles written about drop safety for a year and a half, I'm convinced that the trigger IS drop safe. A few UA-camrs early on speculated it might not be, but couldn't actually demonstrate it. In the 18 months since the trigger was released, I have not seen a single report of an accidental discharge.
@@GunWillTravel yup,been tested all over UA-cam.
That trigger fully cocks the striker..
@@GunWillTravel One guy demonstrated it pretty well with a cutaway model and showed how little force it took to set off the sear and it was only like a pound or less of pressure. I was going to get one but I'm a little cautious because of that. I've always been leery or carrying a gun with no external safeties, but at least I feel pretty confident in Glock's factory standard internal safeties and trigger. It's when you start tinkering with that things get a little dicey for me. I haven't seen anyone perform any actual drop tests. You know of some videos demonstrating it?
In a subcompact gun, I would consider adding a treaded barrel to lengthen the barrel slightly, to add 50-75 fps velocity. The only concealment parameter affected is overall length, which may or may not be a problem, depending on your concealment set up.
I did the same, took a g23 and dropped in a lone wolf that is slightly longer, does not effect my carry device. Also I have a after market recoil spring, filed down after market mag release, and a extended Glock Mag for my pinky. This is my gone. I have lots of guns, but this one is mine. I can shoot more accurately with a P320 XFIVE LEGION, Look in the real world you find stuff that your more accurate with but it does not make it the right carry for you.
Are you sure you gain that much in fps? Typically a threaded barrel barely adds an inch if even at all. I'm thinking you gain 20fps at most. Have you chrono'd the difference?
I've not chronometer any of my weapons, but I've seen many articles on that subject. Yes, there is significant increase per inch of barrel length increase.
Gotta Rail mounted compensator for my p80, functions flawless and definitely has less recoil overall, makes it easier to get back on target plus there's no need for a threaded barrel.
Great video brother I just got a Glock 27 and this did make things easier for me to make the decision on what and what not to do
20 years ago upgrades for your Glock made sense. Today, you can upgrade your Glock by buying something like a PDP. If you don't like an out of the box Glock there are suitable alternatives. I don't consider lights and optics upgrade. They are accessories. In any case there is no upgrade that will make 95% of shooters better. The pistols are already more accurate than virtually any shooter in a high stress DGU.
I disagree.
@@mikebussy3334 i disagree with your disagreement due to your lack of actually saying something
Great break down. The irony here is that the improvements from the manufacturers like with the Gen 5 Glock, never would have happened if it wasn't for the explosion of people taking it on themselves to fiddle around. Just how it works with an actual free market. God, bad, worse, better, seems to be the pattern. Cheers.
Exactly. Same deal with everyone sending their slides off to be milled for red dots
great point.
Aftermarket barrels for the glock have a pretty valid use beyond what is mentioned.
If you are a handloader who uses hard cast lead, the polygonal style rifling is bad for that. People have stated that its lands and grooves on the gen 5, but i’ve seen conflicting information. my gen 4 had polygonal style rifling so i had to get a conventional lands and grooves barrel.
I got the +4 mag extension for my Glock G48 from ‘glock store’ and i can say it is very reliable and highly recommend for 43x and g48 owners