Oh well gee that was a familiar site , kicking out broken bales at the end. My dad got a 47 new in 1959 , custom baled all over the country with it , with a special H farmall . We were waiting the moon landing in 69 and they had been talking about the cercomferance of the earth compared to the moon . Dad was figuring from his baler notes of how many bales he had record of every bale . He knew the leanth of a bale ,and said it had baled enough hay to go around the earth about five times. I said i believe him , cause i helped him rebuild it a lot of times . Any time you want fix a 47 baler let me know good luck ; Walt
We used to pull a new holland 717 chopper with a 560 gas. Nothing sounds better than those 6 cylinder engines barking under a load. We still have it and a 460, those are a great tractor
I baled hay with the same tractor/baler combination back in the 60s and 70s on my uncle's farm. Only his had a bale thrower. Thanks for the video , brought back a lot of good memories
I had lots of years dealing with knotters not tying for many different reasons.. it's more stressful do to when rain is coming.... One thing I learned is.. keeping the knotters clean and I also use PB blaster on the knotters when I'm done for the day... It seams to help a lot better than if I don't do anything..... Great video thank you for sharing
That's some beautiful first crop. Where I grew up in Oregon usually 1st crop got rained on enough to bleach it a little. It also was a game of dodge the rain to get first crop in the barn without it getting ruined.
In the late fifties we had the Nuffield universal four with the BMC motor and the international B 55 wire tie baler with it's own Wisconsin motor , that's when bales were bales , cheers from Tasmania
We had a 560 diesel that had a 1 row chopper I dont know the number of the chopper. Because I was about 6 years old. But then dad got a 2row gahl chopper and sold the 560 after he got the 856. Boy those were the days. Please God bless these wonderful farmers and their beutiful families ♥️🙏🙏🙏😎🙂
@@ikonseesmrno7300 can't beat a bit of IH kit running so well. They made great machines back in the day, real shame what happened to them. Ironic too, that they got taken over by a Company (Case), whose product was inferior, but they still got to call the shots when deciding which tractors to keep in the succeeding line up. Ditching the 'Snoopys' was a huge blow, love them tractors !
I have just a smaller farm now ,and have the 47 baler and a 560 IH diesel . I used the same baler, it's the one thing I kept from my original dairy farm. For me, I noticed if the hay was dry and the bales were light, it would tie pretty good , but when the hay was tough and bales were heavy, it wouldn't allow you to get anything done, missing too many bales. A guy in the comments said his dad bought a 47 baler in. 1959. So I take it, they were built late 50's early 60's era. Mine would of been better for me, if I changed to a newer thrower, with the wide belt, instead of the #10 thrower with the separate, hard rubber. roller's.
Baled with my late father's IH B46 and B47 balers in Ireland in the 1970s. Both were bought used, not new. The B46 tied OK once you kept the knotters clean and the stationary twine knives sharp. The B47 was a nightmare for missing knots and breaking needles.
I see you have not gone with the round bails. Livestock need a square meal 😅😅😅 This video reminds me so much of haying for the Shipmans as a young Ladd. You earned your pay.
When I was in high school, there were three farms that kept me busy putting up hay. $20 a day per farm was good pay then. Really wish they would have had a pickup wagon though. 😂
making me itchy watching it lol. never had the flu for more then a day. but fresh cut grass or hay. and i got watery eyes sneezing lol horrible allergies. the only time i actually where a mask is throwing hay bails lol
Great video Ikon!! I’m very jealous of that IH baler, it’s just singing right along! I’ve never understood the dislike to the IH square balers, it always seemed to me that the issues people had with them were operator errors more then anything, glad you’re proving they really are good machines!
Thanks!! I do my best to show that IH did make a good baler. Most chuckle or guffaw when the statement arises that this baler pounds out bricks. With twine! 😁 Also, this shows why I said what I did about the NH baler you're getting. Not pooping on the idea by any means.... just saying, it isn't going to do that. ⬆️ It will certainly get the job done though. The 268 I had was only fussy when it was brought out of the barn. It'd tie the first couple bales ok, then tie two together, then it was fine. 🤷♂️ No other complaints about it. Parts shopping for it was a breeze! You can still get most of that baler through Messick's. Provided that hasn't changed by now.
In my part of Iowa IHC didn't sell many bailers. 14T and 24T JD were everywhere, along with New Holland and some older guys ran some Oliver bailers, but I never bailed behind one.
Yes this is nice and I baled with a 560 Diesel and a 445 International baler with a number 15 thrower on it and baled a lot of hay with that for 30 years because I bought it used in 1993. even when it got at night with dew coming on it's still tie real good of course it'll loosen the bales because they got little bit heavier but as long as you stack everything cut side up, breathe out real nice and always made beautiful hay. The knoters tide on top of chamber as long as you kept the chaf clean it always tied very well
Then you didn't know how to clean to chaf off the top of the chamber which which the other balers when a tied it tied 3in above the chamber where the International baler at Ties right on top of the chamber where did Dust chaff is and creates problems if you don't keep it clean therefore these blowers on there just like the big square balers come standard that way now otherwise they'd have the same problem
@@ikonseesmrno7300 oh they worked fine for a while but after they got a little wear on them nobody could make them tie for love or money. Had the dealer's "best baler guy" work on them dozens of times.
Yep and with my luck I'd need it for something in the winter. I did a valve job on my 560 and the 263 just seems so cheap, compared to the 281 in my 450. I can't figure out why they didn't get more power out of it.
@@burrridgefarms The diesel sixes don't have the same stroke as the 4 cylinders did. The 560s would have been a pile of broken parts if it had six pistons with a B&S of 4.125" x 5.25" per cylinder like the 450 does.
Your probably right Ikon, but if I ever get the chance I want to marry a 400, or 450 front to a 560 rear. Mainly for the hyds, I'd make sure to go through the trans on it though.
I will see what can be done. Currently I'm getting ready to make hay & then have to ready some equipment for the upcoming tractor show in a couple weeks. If you don't hear back from me for a bit, just send a reminder.
Is the film edited because I've never seen a IH baler tie over 10 bales in a row without the operator getting off fiddling with it and then being gone for 3 days trying to find needles for it
No sir. There were 5 busted bales out of 140. Three were packed too tight & blew out the twine & the 2 at the end where the knot between balls failed. The other twine ran through just fine using super glue on the ends. I'll be testing that method for a while to see if I just got lucky with the first try or if it's a workable idea. As for the baler, I was once told that, if you find an IH baler that keeps tying, keep it & keep after it. It'll tire out your stackers before it quits. Regards!
And yes, the video is edited for time & picture quality. Once I find a good camera mount, I'll put it on the chamber & let it run while the hay is picked up. Then the audience can decide if it's a good baler or not.
safety rule number one.. you don't get off that tractor with PTO running; it doesn't matter how "experienced" you are; the more comfortable you get with it, the more accident probability will happen; most pro accidents are with older experienced farmers
I do run mine at 540. If your baler seems like it doesn't like it, just adjust the throttle down a bit. Like around 480 - 500 even & go from there. Make sure the pickup is straight, the knotters are good & the twine knives sharp & you should be ok. Good luck!
Keep your eyes peeled. There are still enough balers left over for parts. Still a reasonable amount of help & knowledge on the tractor forums too. Still some good videos to be found here on YT as well. You can also stop back here & ask. I'll do what I can to get you an answer. Good luck!
I got a baler international 47 . I have been trying to get it going. Anyone here in good places to get parts? I need new chains and potentially a gear?
It sounds like the trip dog roller in the knotter drive gear is seized. That's the gear the trip arm roller rides on. To put it simply, the end plate with the knotter brake needs to come off & then pull the knotter stack out to get to the contents of the gear. It's actually a fairly easy job. Just looks difficult. And if you go that route, get a service manual! I'm not sure who makes a good quality reprint for the B47. Just do your research, as reprinted manuals can be a craps shoot. Dark, faded or blurry photos are usually the issue.
Why does the baker move left and then right with each stroke of the plunger? I suspect you have too much play in the drawbar pole on the slide just below the flywheel. Your locking bolt is not closed completely. It is just annoying to watch that.
There is no rigid drawbar on the tractor. Although it is in the fixed position, it still wiggles a bit. The pole on the baler is typically loose for a machine it's age & the latch was replaced recently to eliminate some of the side shake. Combine the two issues & you have what you see here. Regards.
Great video ! But..why not pull a hay rack behind ? Do everything at the same time ! Use to do 2000 bales like this in a day......and often 4 days in a row. But......I do know that they youth of today are out of shape ! Maybe Im bragging ? But I use to do this....baling....then milked 30 cows.....carried the milk to the balk tank........morning and night....then went out and ran 10 miles ( six minute miles) after 10 PM.....then started everything all over again at 5 AM in the morning. Never thought nothing of it. Just farming ! Where has our labor force went to ????? My goodness......no one wants to sweat !
I've pulled both a flat rack & thrower wagon in that field, but no wagon works better as it is a small 2 acre, canted square piece. It's quicker, easier & there's less stress on the PTO joints dropping the bales & getting them with the New Holland pickup wagon. Unloading can be done by stack or individually. It holds 56 at a time which works out perfect for the couple customers I deliver to or unloading at the side of the field.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 Thanks..... I was just curious. But also......realize the bales will be softer unless tension is adjusted......because the bales behind the plunger helps put tension on the bale about to be tied.
Looks like the baler made good bales. Is that wire tied or twine? Will you be making a video showing how that other piece of equipment works shown at 5:48?
It's twine tie & works good, thanks! If YT doesn't take down this link, my video on that machine is here: ua-cam.com/video/GEPY5r98wJ0/v-deo.html The inverter is a great machine, but it's hard to find a decent gear on the 560 to pull it. Recently, I've settled on 5th gear with the TA back. That puts me at about 5 - 6 MPH which is perfect for it.
Oh well gee that was a familiar site , kicking out broken bales at the end. My dad got a 47 new in 1959 , custom baled all over the country with it , with a special H farmall . We were waiting the moon landing in 69 and they had been talking about the cercomferance of the earth compared to the moon . Dad was figuring from his baler notes of how many bales he had record of every bale . He knew the leanth of a bale ,and said it had baled enough hay to go around the earth about five times. I said i believe him , cause i helped him rebuild it a lot of times . Any time you want fix a 47 baler let me know good luck ; Walt
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Thanks! I needed that. Reminds one reason we quit milking cows. Bless.
We used to pull a new holland 717 chopper with a 560 gas. Nothing sounds better than those 6 cylinder engines barking under a load. We still have it and a 460, those are a great tractor
717 was one great chopper. You could hear that cut and throw sing for miles in heavy grass when I was younger.
I baled hay with the same tractor/baler combination back in the 60s and 70s on my uncle's farm. Only his had a bale thrower. Thanks for the video , brought back a lot of good memories
old 560 working shitting bricks surging a little bit got to love it :)
I had lots of years dealing with knotters not tying for many different reasons.. it's more stressful do to when rain is coming.... One thing I learned is.. keeping the knotters clean and I also use PB blaster on the knotters when I'm done for the day... It seams to help a lot better than if I don't do anything..... Great video thank you for sharing
That's some beautiful first crop. Where I grew up in Oregon usually 1st crop got rained on enough to bleach it a little. It also was a game of dodge the rain to get first crop in the barn without it getting ruined.
This brings back memories of the 1980s and 90s i used to bale with a farmall 560 and a 47 baler
Glad you enjoyed! It is a great setup for making hay.
Great video going old school
In the late fifties we had the Nuffield universal four with the BMC motor and the international B 55 wire tie baler with it's own Wisconsin motor , that's when bales were bales , cheers from Tasmania
That is some nice looking hay !
Thanks Sandra! It turned out great!
We had a 560 diesel that had a 1 row chopper I dont know the number of the chopper. Because I was about 6 years old. But then dad got a 2row gahl chopper and sold the 560 after he got the 856. Boy those were the days. Please God bless these wonderful farmers and their beutiful families ♥️🙏🙏🙏😎🙂
I think this is my fave IKON made video thus far. Geez you got a nice patch of land mate. It's your Green Acres!😻
Didja see Mr Pup?? He was out smashing mice with his snout. 😁
Can't beat classic machinery doing its thing. Real nice setup and looks like some great hay as well.
The hay turned out great! Thanks for tuning in!!
@@ikonseesmrno7300 can't beat a bit of IH kit running so well. They made great machines back in the day, real shame what happened to them. Ironic too, that they got taken over by a Company (Case), whose product was inferior, but they still got to call the shots when deciding which tractors to keep in the succeeding line up.
Ditching the 'Snoopys' was a huge blow, love them tractors !
I have just a smaller farm now ,and have the 47 baler and a 560 IH diesel . I used the same baler, it's the one thing I kept from my original dairy farm. For me, I noticed if the hay was dry and the bales were light, it would tie pretty good , but when the hay was tough and bales were heavy, it wouldn't allow you to get anything done, missing too many bales. A guy in the comments said his dad bought a 47 baler in. 1959. So I take it, they were built late 50's early 60's era. Mine would of been better for me, if I changed to a newer thrower, with the wide belt,
instead of the #10 thrower with the separate, hard rubber. roller's.
Baled with my late father's IH B46 and B47 balers in Ireland in the 1970s. Both were bought used, not new. The B46 tied OK once you kept the knotters clean and the stationary twine knives sharp. The B47 was a nightmare for missing knots and breaking needles.
I see you have not gone with the round bails. Livestock need a square meal 😅😅😅 This video reminds me so much of haying for the Shipmans as a young Ladd. You earned your pay.
When I was in high school, there were three farms that kept me busy putting up hay. $20 a day per farm was good pay then. Really wish they would have had a pickup wagon though. 😂
Cool beans Ikon!!!😅
one man show with these.
making me itchy watching it lol. never had the flu for more then a day. but fresh cut grass or hay. and i got watery eyes sneezing lol horrible allergies. the only time i actually where a mask is throwing hay bails lol
Great video Ikon!! I’m very jealous of that IH baler, it’s just singing right along! I’ve never understood the dislike to the IH square balers, it always seemed to me that the issues people had with them were operator errors more then anything, glad you’re proving they really are good machines!
Thanks!! I do my best to show that IH did make a good baler. Most chuckle or guffaw when the statement arises that this baler pounds out bricks. With twine! 😁 Also, this shows why I said what I did about the NH baler you're getting. Not pooping on the idea by any means.... just saying, it isn't going to do that. ⬆️ It will certainly get the job done though. The 268 I had was only fussy when it was brought out of the barn. It'd tie the first couple bales ok, then tie two together, then it was fine. 🤷♂️ No other complaints about it. Parts shopping for it was a breeze! You can still get most of that baler through Messick's. Provided that hasn't changed by now.
What a neat setup- nice video!
Many thanks! Glad you enjoyed!!
In my part of Iowa IHC didn't sell many bailers. 14T and 24T JD were everywhere, along with New Holland and some older guys ran some Oliver bailers, but I never bailed behind one.
Yes this is nice and I baled with a 560 Diesel and a 445 International baler with a number 15 thrower on it and baled a lot of hay with that for 30 years because I bought it used in 1993. even when it got at night with dew coming on it's still tie real good of course it'll loosen the bales because they got little bit heavier but as long as you stack everything cut side up, breathe out real nice and always made beautiful hay. The knoters tide on top of chamber as long as you kept the chaf clean it always tied very well
Red power for the win!
That combination will rake in the morning, makes bales all afternoon and grind a load of cob corn in the evening without breaking a sweat.
That's cool!!
Hey gerl! 💕 Thanks!!
The end of that video pretty much sums up our experience with the 430 and 435 balers we had.
Just had no luck with them?
Then you didn't know how to clean to chaf off the top of the chamber which which the other balers when a tied it tied 3in above the chamber where the International baler at Ties right on top of the chamber where did Dust chaff is and creates problems if you don't keep it clean therefore these blowers on there just like the big square balers come standard that way now otherwise they'd have the same problem
@@ikonseesmrno7300 oh they worked fine for a while but after they got a little wear on them nobody could make them tie for love or money. Had the dealer's "best baler guy" work on them dozens of times.
Looks good Ikon👍 I love the sound of a 282 but won't own one, the 263 in my 560 is enough of a pain🤣
The 282 can be a pain indeed. But they sure do sound good!
Yep and with my luck I'd need it for something in the winter. I did a valve job on my 560 and the 263 just seems so cheap, compared to the 281 in my 450. I can't figure out why they didn't get more power out of it.
@@burrridgefarms The diesel sixes don't have the same stroke as the 4 cylinders did. The 560s would have been a pile of broken parts if it had six pistons with a B&S of 4.125" x 5.25" per cylinder like the 450 does.
Your probably right Ikon, but if I ever get the chance I want to marry a 400, or 450 front to a 560 rear. Mainly for the hyds, I'd make sure to go through the trans on it though.
That happened to me many times. We had an international 37 baler
560 still earnin her keep...
She was really punching out the bales there.
can you do a video explaining the function of the trip bar and metering wheel?
I will see what can be done. Currently I'm getting ready to make hay & then have to ready some equipment for the upcoming tractor show in a couple weeks. If you don't hear back from me for a bit, just send a reminder.
Is the film edited because I've never seen a IH baler tie over 10 bales in a row without the operator getting off fiddling with it and then being gone for 3 days trying to find needles for it
No sir. There were 5 busted bales out of 140. Three were packed too tight & blew out the twine & the 2 at the end where the knot between balls failed. The other twine ran through just fine using super glue on the ends. I'll be testing that method for a while to see if I just got lucky with the first try or if it's a workable idea.
As for the baler, I was once told that, if you find an IH baler that keeps tying, keep it & keep after it. It'll tire out your stackers before it quits. Regards!
And yes, the video is edited for time & picture quality. Once I find a good camera mount, I'll put it on the chamber & let it run while the hay is picked up. Then the audience can decide if it's a good baler or not.
safety rule number one.. you don't get off that tractor with PTO running; it doesn't matter how "experienced" you are; the more comfortable you get with it, the more accident probability will happen; most pro accidents are with older experienced farmers
My 47 breaks about every 4th bale. Every thing is adjusted right supposedly any thoughts
Is the twine breaking at some point or are the knots failing?
I just got a 47 and going to run it on my 560 as well. What rpms are you running?
I do run mine at 540. If your baler seems like it doesn't like it, just adjust the throttle down a bit. Like around 480 - 500 even & go from there. Make sure the pickup is straight, the knotters are good & the twine knives sharp & you should be ok. Good luck!
i purchased one of these balers recently for $250 needs both knotters tho i hope to find some to save her from the scrap yard
Keep your eyes peeled. There are still enough balers left over for parts. Still a reasonable amount of help & knowledge on the tractor forums too. Still some good videos to be found here on YT as well. You can also stop back here & ask. I'll do what I can to get you an answer.
Good luck!
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hey Ikon that twine issue at the end
I did great in scouts, really. Those knots though...
Hay, hay!
no problems with the knotters??
I've had very few problems with the knotters over the years & nothing this year, besides poor twine. Thanks for tuning in!
I got a baler international 47 . I have been trying to get it going. Anyone here in good places to get parts? I need new chains and potentially a gear?
Sure. What are you looking for? There's only the one chain on the baler & most gears can still be found new or used.
Does anyone here know why my international b47 baler wants to just keep tying knots even without wheel up the back engaging ?
It sounds like the trip dog roller in the knotter drive gear is seized. That's the gear the trip arm roller rides on. To put it simply, the end plate with the knotter brake needs to come off & then pull the knotter stack out to get to the contents of the gear. It's actually a fairly easy job. Just looks difficult. And if you go that route, get a service manual! I'm not sure who makes a good quality reprint for the B47. Just do your research, as reprinted manuals can be a craps shoot. Dark, faded or blurry photos are usually the issue.
Thank you mate I thought that was the case but my old man was trying to tell me it would have to be something more then just that, thank you so much 🙂
Is your property where crazydave4455 used to farm?
Not sure of who you are speaking of. I live in SE Wisconsin, if that helps.
Why does the baker move left and then right with each stroke of the plunger? I suspect you have too much play in the drawbar pole on the slide just below the flywheel. Your locking bolt is not closed completely. It is just annoying to watch that.
There is no rigid drawbar on the tractor. Although it is in the fixed position, it still wiggles a bit. The pole on the baler is typically loose for a machine it's age & the latch was replaced recently to eliminate some of the side shake. Combine the two issues & you have what you see here.
Regards.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 It is making very nice bales, you must have everything adjusted correctly inside the bale chamber 👍
@@allannantes8583 Thank you Allan, I do the best with what's here.
Great video ! But..why not pull a hay rack behind ? Do everything at the same time ! Use to do 2000 bales like this in a day......and often 4 days in a row. But......I do know that they youth of today are out of shape ! Maybe Im bragging ? But I use to do this....baling....then milked 30 cows.....carried the milk to the balk tank........morning and night....then went out and ran 10 miles ( six minute miles) after 10 PM.....then started everything all over again at 5 AM in the morning. Never thought nothing of it. Just farming ! Where has our labor force went to ????? My goodness......no one wants to sweat !
I've pulled both a flat rack & thrower wagon in that field, but no wagon works better as it is a small 2 acre, canted square piece. It's quicker, easier & there's less stress on the PTO joints dropping the bales & getting them with the New Holland pickup wagon. Unloading can be done by stack or individually. It holds 56 at a time which works out perfect for the couple customers I deliver to or unloading at the side of the field.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 Thanks..... I was just curious. But also......realize the bales will be softer unless tension is adjusted......because the bales behind the plunger helps put tension on the bale about to be tied.
I'm going to bale this year with a massey 10 baler and a farmall 300 row crop, but I think you hay looks better than mine
That sounds like a good setup & you'll always have a chance to make better hay.
Looks like the baler made good bales. Is that wire tied or twine? Will you be making a video showing how that other piece of equipment works shown at 5:48?
It's twine tie & works good, thanks! If YT doesn't take down this link, my video on that machine is here: ua-cam.com/video/GEPY5r98wJ0/v-deo.html
The inverter is a great machine, but it's hard to find a decent gear on the 560 to pull it. Recently, I've settled on 5th gear with the TA back. That puts me at about 5 - 6 MPH which is perfect for it.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 Interesting machine. Works like a hay rake