You can sign up to Dr. Ehrman's course on History, Myth and Legend in Genesis here: emmathorne--ehrman.thrivecart.com/in-the-beginning-tc/ Check out the description for more details and a link to Bart's blog :] I hope you enjoy this video, it was such a wonderful privilege for me to interview Bart and learn that he is as lovely as people say!
Dr Bart can have neither my time nor my money until he addresses his academic dishonesty. It’s wildly unethical for him to misrepresent other scholars that he claims to have read so that he can scoff and strawman.
@@mako9579 review Dr Carriers responses, multiple, to Dr Barts appearance on holykoolaid. If you’d like a video version it’s on GodlessEngineers channel. Regardless of if you agree w Dr Carriers position, Dr Barts actions are intellectually dishonest to the point of being unethical.
What was very striking to me was that he just seems like a genuinely fun and nice guy to have a conversation with. His passion really shines through his words.
Impressive! Dr Bart Ehrman talks such sense. I know that he is highly respected for his works. And you have him on your Show! Such a joy to see this interaction. This is a fine step-up from the likes of low-life Hovind. Lovely to see this little chat. Cheers Emma.
This interview is basically part of a tour through the skeptosphere to plug Ehrman's lecture series. But I agree in principle on the synergistic value of crossover episodes.
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT It is, but Ehrman has been doing more regular interviews and such. I'm sure he and other scholars realize UA-cam is increasing the best way to connect with the public, and especially those interested in their specialty.
I'm always delighted to see how down to earth Dr Ehrman is and his willingness to engage with the UA-cam community. I also appreciate his publication of his lectures and courses, making them available without having to go back to university.
This is wild. I've just spent two days down a Dr. Ehrman rabbit-hole, watching a ton of his videos and learning so much that I never knew about the Bible. Then suddenly he appears on the amazing Emma Thorne's channel!
I had a pair of classes with Dr. Dan Wallace, a one-time debate partner of Dr. Ehrman's. Watching that debate was a starting point for my partner's deconversion experience. We both ended up leaving Christianity, though both had our own journey to get there. Thanks for the part you played in that, Dr. Ehrman!
That's so cool that you got Bart Ehrman on your channel! When I first identified as an atheist ten years ago, just about the first thing I did was get two of his "Great Courses" series and learn about the actual history of the Bible. It was fascinating.
This was one of the few interviews where both participants seem to truly enjoy it. Also, Emma asked Dr Ehrman why he likes what he studies, which few interviewers give the guest a moment to explain why they work hard to deeply understand a topic. Nicely done
Splendid stuff - love actual scholars who aren't clouded by irrational beliefs, congrats for getting him on for this. Also, you're a charming and engaging interviewer, so kudos there too.
Back before I was deconstructing I was in an Apologetics class at my church. Dr. Ehrman helped start the process of deconstructing. I can't recommend his books any more than I already do. This is a crossover I wasn't expecting but I am living for it!
So he attacked your faith with LIES. The bible is objectively true as we speak. Jesus loves you! Neither is there salvation in any other! Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED! Get a king james bible and believe.
@@MichaelAChristian1 Sorry, I can't trust a book that teaches that the Sun ITSELF travels in motion over the Earth in the same way as the Moon does. --- Galileo and Copernicus disproved the bible author's viewpoint, as the " inspired " bible authors believed in the same false cosmology as the Sumero Babylonians. Read Joshua 10:12-13. Maybe you should read, like Ehrman suggested, Genesis 1, as the plants were created on day three, while the Sun was created on day four --- the " inspired" bible authors never knew about photosynthesis nor the Absolute Zero temperatures in outer space.
@@dvonzosch461 There was no death until day 6. There was light on earth to start the first day. Where did the light come from. How readest thou? God created all things. Wake up! Jesus loves you! Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED!
@@MichaelAChristian1 The measurement of a 24 hour day is by the Earth's movement around the Sun, and if the Sun wasn't created until day FOUR, how are the 1st four days measured ? --- you need to think this through, instead of being spoon fed scriptures by your pastor. How did the plants created on day three survive without the Sun, and in the Absolute Zero temperatures of outer space ? Astrophysical science has established that the Earth and the planets were formed from cooled matter _after_ the Sun, yet the Enuma Elish ( Genesis ) creation story claims that the Earth was created before the Sun. Joshua 10:12-13: " Then spoke Joshua to the LORD...Sun, stand thou still.... and thou [ also] Moon...." 13) " And the Sun stood still, and the Moon stayed [ still ] until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies..." --- Joshua commanded _BOTH_ the Sun itself, _and_ the Moon to stand still, not the Earth, which proves that the bible authors believed that the Sun, by itself, traveled in motion over the Earth in the exact same way as the Moon does, and, that it could be magically stopped, dead in the sky, simply by one man's prayer to Yahweh/Jesus ! Habakkuk 3:11 describes the same event: " The Sun AND the Moon stood still in their habitation...." WOW !
I was born and raised a Catholic and did 13 years in Catholic schools. Even way back then we were not taught that Genesis was literal. We did bible stories when really little but as soon as proper schooling started we were taught about science and how the bible should be looked as a way ancient people made sense of the world and how they should live their lives. This creationist thing seems like an American phenomena that's been exported to the christian world.
That's due to a difference in religion. Catholics have sources outside the bible like saints and the Pope, while the different branches of protestant Christianity only rely on the bible and their interpretation of it. And of course if your only source of knowledge of God is the bible, then the bible cannot be wrong or else the very foundation of your belief falls apart.
@@vegeta4693214 Interesting. I guess a lot also depends on the pope at that moment but nevertheless I can't imagine Catholics ever going back to the bad old days of "fire & brimstone" and heretic hunts.
@@shegocrazy Because catholics have hierarchy. A single priest can go crazy and ask to go back to witch hunts, but the church would reject him. On the other hand, a Baptist pastor can go crazy and do the same, but there isn't any higher pastor to tell him he's nuts.
As a former journalism instructor, good interviews should sound like a conversation (without a list of questions to "get through"). This is a VERY good interview. Kudos Emma.
I've worked with Dr. Ehrman a few times for webinars/broadcasts during my tenure working for UNC. From all accounts, and from my experiences, a very stand-up human being and a very intelligent and rational researcher. Definitely check out his channel as well for some long-form talks/presentations. Worth the watch.
Really enjoyed your talk with Dr Ehrman, it really shows how much you are growing that you can get such a renowned scholar on. Keep up the great work. =]
Visit his channel and listen to his podcasts if you're open to having a critical view of your faith. He isn't seeking to deconvert anyone, I too aren't looking to dissuade you from your faith.
Jesus loves you! Read Genesis. Read John. You literally live in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ 2022 by a 7 day week as FORETOLD. It is OBJECTIVELY TRUE as we speak. Get a king james bible an believe. Jesus loves you!
I am so glad I could catch this on replay. This makes a rather awful day so much better. So thrilled to have found this channel, I have thoroughly enjoyed every video I have seen. Take care Emma, and thank you for this great collaboration.
Cultural context of each book, knowledge of how it has morphed over time, context of what was trying to be told at the time it was written. Context is essential in understanding ancient stories as the mindset of storytelling itself has changed dramatically over time. For example, if you read myths from The Egyptian Book of the Dead, they are using storytelling to explain the existence of the physical world through metaphor. If you had no understanding of that, and read it, it would just seem like a bizarre drama about incest and sibling rivalry.
@@thetypingape2073 What is the CONTEXT of those verses written thousands of years ago and are OBJECTIVELY TRUE AND YOU HAVE SEEN IT COME TO PASS. You live in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ 2022 by a 7 day week as FORETOLD! Jesus loves you! Your life is precious! Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED!
The best that the 21st century has offered to the science of history studies, religious studies and folklore studies is Bart Ehram. That is why we should only listen to and read Ehram’s lectures and papers, not anyone else’s. Anyone who has at least read Ehram’s blogs knows how good he is and I don’t think anyone else has to challenge Ehram. And I’m not kidding, Ehram is really superior in his own field of science. And the fact that Ehram is so popular and so genius proves that Ehram is right in his opinions. And that’s an even bigger reason why we should only listen to Ehram on this subject. And therefore, on the other hand, it is good that there are even some smaller universities that reject the studies of all other scholars except Ehram in their teaching. And that's how it should be. In this debate, too, Ehram proved why, by far.
This is the most comfortable and cheerful I've seen Ehrman in what seems to be ages. I also really appreciate Ms Thone who asks intelligent questions and then steps aside from her own ego to hear what Dr. Ehrman has to say. A *lot* of other UA-camrs could learn a valuable lesson from her.
Bart was instrumental in my "Deconversion." (For fundamentalist Christians, I recommend "Forged" by Bart.) Now I get to see two of my favorites in one video! Great job Emma :)
@@vernonchitlen8958 Even if you prove the theory of biogenesis false, it still doesn't make your claim true. Those are separate issues. The theory of biogenesis can be false while Christianity still being false. You realize that you believe a magical being created all life out of nothing? (Without trying to explain how that would be even possible.) So in the end, who is actually required to have more "faith"? At least science is trying to explain how something like the life that we see has occurred. One last thing to think about: Genesis makes many claims about how life came to be on this planet. Do you believe that is all scientifically accurate? (There is mountains of evidence that disprove the Genesis accounts.) How many peer reviewed papers have been written about how the Genesis accounts are true? You may want to work on your own skepticism of your religion a bit more before jumping on the defensive there buddy.
@@vernonchitlen8958 OK then demonstrate to me spontaneous creation works. Show me some water turned into wine. Or some mud into a creature. Then we can settle this debate once and for all. I would love to see all the scientific awards you would win by demonstrating that you can create something from nothing. You are committing the same fallacy as someone who doesn't do or read the research themselves. You're trusting on something you can't verify, your holy book, to tell you where life came from. Who wrote this book? What background in science do they have? Can you be sure they actually heard from god and aren't making shit up? Again, none of this proves that Jesus rose from the dead. Show me, better yet, prove to me that Jesus rose from the dead? You are very gullible to believe that Jesus rose from the dead, and take it as fact, when you're equally extremely skeptical of a scientific theory. Science doesn't claim a theory to be always true. If you can prove that it is false, the theory is revised. With Christianity, it is the complete opposite: No matter how many times you prove their faith to be false, they never revise their beliefs. How much evidence do we have to present to Christians before they realize their mistake in believing in a false God? I know this is your grand defense in a god, but none of it does any good in defending your holy book. I'm not a scientist, but I know for a fact that the bible is a book of fiction.
It's just amazing to me that some people can believe in Biblical inerrancy or a literal interpretation of the Bible given the many, many contradictions.
Wow Emma,it didn't take Hovind long to respond to this video. He must have one of his minions constantly checking your channel. Great vid,keep up the good work.
C'mon. Can't we live in a fantasy world? Kinda like Genesis. In my fantasy world Kent is actually watching these full videos and they are slowly unravelling his world view. Let me have this... ❤ don't mess with my happiness 😋
Ehrman's doctorate is in bible studies, from a seminary. He's not a 'real doctor' like, for example, someone with a PhD in History from a real university department.
@@Grim_Beard Ancient languages rather than bible studies, and that seminary is accredited, unlike the diploma mill where Kent bought his phoney diploma. He is certainly more of an academic than Kent will ever be.
@Grimbeard his PhD is from Princeton Theological Seminary and is focused on the New Testament as an ancient text. He’s every bit a “real” academic and scholar (e.g. doctor)
I appreciate that Dr. Ehrman can draw a distinction between "Truth" and "Meaning." Both concepts have relevance to our existence as humans, but they are neither synonymous nor interdependent.
I have heard and read the Bible, in its entirety, literally DOZENS of times in my life, even went to a Christian College and got the equivalent of a minor in Bible, and never ONCE did I notice the contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2 with the plants. It's insane what your brain will gloss over when you're taught that you have to believe something is 100% true and inerrant and has no contradictions.
It's an exercise in doublethink; the ability to hold two contradictory facts in your head at the same time, to seamlessly switch between them, and believe both to be true.
also it is almost obligatoir that the first 2 verses are translated and read as two seperated lines. when they are read as one sentence ( as someone did on the net) you get a different story. It seems the subject of that sentence is in verse 2 while verse 1 is an indication of when verse 2 happened. A kind of resuffle putting the subject up front and the time indication last gave me this: Void and formless was the earth with the spirits of the gods hovering above the face of the floods and darkness covering the deeps, when at the start the gods shaped the heavens and the earth. probably someone with knowledge of Hebrew would disagree and argue that "bara""can only mean "create" and not "giving shape. Another scolar told that Genesis 1 can best be interpretated as a metaphore for sunrise on a new day. Quite a different take then those apologists who shout that when you don't take Genesis 1 as a historical fact you deny Jesus. Ehrman himself is the best exemple, by taking Genesis metaphoric and believing in a historic Jesus, that the apologist vieuw is utterly stupid.
A great vid and a swell guy! Dr. Ehrman's perspective on and enthusiasm over the topic is refreshing to say the least and definitely a palette cleanser considering certain other videos talking about Genesis.
Sorry, one other comment here. It’s very helpful to distinguish between “literal” and “historical.” Just because a narrative is non-historical doesn’t mean it’s best interpreted non-literally. To use one of Ehrman’s examples, “David Copperfield” does not narrate historical events, though it has a realistic historical setting. But “David Copperfield” isn’t meant to be read figuratively or allegorically. Similarly there are stories in Genesis that can’t be taken seriously today as historical reports, but that doesn’t mean you have to resort to a figurative interpretation. You can also conclude that the authors/editors intended to present a historical narrative, but they were incorrect; or you can conclude that the authors/editors didn’t intend to present a historical narrative, but later readers have misunderstood the genre; or some other variation. Historical narratives can also be clothed in allegory; that isn’t quite what’s happening in Orwell’s “Animal Farm,” but it’s close enough to get the point.
Just found your channel! Ironically, I'm in the midst reading Dr. Ehrman's book "God's Problem" regarding suffering and the biblical view. Fantastic interview! Already loving your content!
Excellent video Emma, I love you more each time... I think you are a delight to listen to. I particularly like that you have reduced the length of your videos to a more digestible 15-20 min. Greetings from Colombia and cheers!
Thanks Emma, now I have a new reading list to get through.🤣🤣🤣😂😁 Very good stuff. My wife had the pleasure of attending a talk he gave at her work. Genesis was one of the first WTFs I had that eventually led to atheism
@@chewyjello1 She works for NPR and it was more of a presentation rather than a lecture. He was on a book tour. One of the best parts of working at NPR is their tiny desk concerts. Musicians that come in for interviews are invited to do a short performance for the staff. Most agree.
Emma ; you are intelligent and come across fantastically . 27 yrs old and so far more learned than other weak people . Good luck to you and your life style . Keep it up ,,, well worth listening to . 😘
I'm Catholic, and I know that for about the last several hundred years most serious Catholic scholars have been very honest with their understanding of sources and meanings of the most ancient parts of the Old Testament and this Doctor is very spot on, totally. The Catholic Church accepts Genesis 1 and 2 as metaphorical and accepts modern theories of Cosmological and Biological beginnings and formations. Hence, why I love alot of channels like this one and am still a Christian.
So jealous you had a chance to chat with Dr. Ehrman; I've learned so much from him, taken a few of his online webinars. Will seriously consider this course as well. Thanks Emma, for a great job! Subscribed and looking forward to more from you.
I have to say that one of the most impressive scholarly observations about Genesis is that of Britain's Samuel Rolles Driver' (1846-1914) cf. his comments in his commentaries (1904-1926) on Genesis1-11. Driver: (1904) : "We have in the first chapter of Genesis the Hebrew version of an originally Babylonian legend respecting the beginning of all things...Israel stripped the old legend of its pagan deformities. Its shape and outline survived. But its spirit was changed, its religious teaching and significance were transformed..." (p.31) "In fact, no archaeologist questions that the biblical cosmogony, however altered in form and stripped of its original polytheism, is, in its main outlines, derived from Babylonia." (p. 3) "The evidence of archaeology, geology, biology, and allied sciences points to the conclusion that man,so far from having begun his existence upon the globe in the happy surroundings of an Eden, has slowly emerged from a state of savagery, in which he was, externally at least, little removed from the brute creation. His primitive condition was not one of harmony and happiness, but that of fierce conflict against opposing forces. "Pain and death prevaiied upon the earth before man made his appearance, and have, it would seem, been prime factors in his evolution." cf. (p. 36. Samuel Rolles Driver. The Book of Genesis with introduction and notes. 6th edition. 1904. London. Westminster Commentaries. Regards, Walter R. Mattfeld
Loved this. Immediately subscribed and got Bart's class. It's currently in an unedited form without slides, and it's still fascinating. I've been fighting nutbar theocrats for 40 years, and I still learned dozens of things about the OT that I hadn't known before.
Hi, Emma! I recently subscribed to your channel, and I got to know about you from the last episode of "Truth Wanted". Love your accent, by the way! You're charming, and your content is delightful. Thanks for bringing in Dr. Bart Ehrman!!! I'll be checking out his books as soon as possible. 😃
You can sign up to Dr. Ehrman's course on History, Myth and Legend in Genesis here: emmathorne--ehrman.thrivecart.com/in-the-beginning-tc/
Check out the description for more details and a link to Bart's blog :] I hope you enjoy this video, it was such a wonderful privilege for me to interview Bart and learn that he is as lovely as people say!
Dr Bart can have neither my time nor my money until he addresses his academic dishonesty. It’s wildly unethical for him to misrepresent other scholars that he claims to have read so that he can scoff and strawman.
@@arsenicjones9125 Fine. Bye.
@@arsenicjones9125 Could you elaborate on that?
@@mako9579 review Dr Carriers responses, multiple, to Dr Barts appearance on holykoolaid. If you’d like a video version it’s on GodlessEngineers channel. Regardless of if you agree w Dr Carriers position, Dr Barts actions are intellectually dishonest to the point of being unethical.
@@paulmorris6177 big boi. I did leave. W/o watching any of the video or even completing the ads.
What was very striking to me was that he just seems like a genuinely fun and nice guy to have a conversation with. His passion really shines through his words.
Impressive! Dr Bart Ehrman talks such sense. I know that he is highly respected for his works. And you have him on your Show! Such a joy to see this interaction. This is a fine step-up from the likes of low-life Hovind. Lovely to see this little chat. Cheers Emma.
It's honestly adorable how passionate Dr Ehrman is about this topic, what a great chap!
I cannot believe how good these collaborations are getting. First there was Paulogia with Steingard, now this?! 😍🥰
This interview is basically part of a tour through the skeptosphere to plug Ehrman's lecture series. But I agree in principle on the synergistic value of crossover episodes.
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT It is, but Ehrman has been doing more regular interviews and such. I'm sure he and other scholars realize UA-cam is increasing the best way to connect with the public, and especially those interested in their specialty.
Hello Kris
I'm always delighted to see how down to earth Dr Ehrman is and his willingness to engage with the UA-cam community. I also appreciate his publication of his lectures and courses, making them available without having to go back to university.
This is wild. I've just spent two days down a Dr. Ehrman rabbit-hole, watching a ton of his videos and learning so much that I never knew about the Bible. Then suddenly he appears on the amazing Emma Thorne's channel!
It’s a sign from…?
I absolutely love religious discussions like this!! Settling down with my knitting and my biscuits for this one
Question - do you become so engrossed that you find yourself knitting biscuit cosies? Agree that these discussions are priceless.
@@jonathanpeden9930 🤣
I had a pair of classes with Dr. Dan Wallace, a one-time debate partner of Dr. Ehrman's. Watching that debate was a starting point for my partner's deconversion experience. We both ended up leaving Christianity, though both had our own journey to get there. Thanks for the part you played in that, Dr. Ehrman!
Today? What a treat! I’ll listen whilst I tile. You’ll be a good accompaniment to grout to Emma!
"Good accompaniment to grout" 🥇
That's so cool that you got Bart Ehrman on your channel! When I first identified as an atheist ten years ago, just about the first thing I did was get two of his "Great Courses" series and learn about the actual history of the Bible. It was fascinating.
This was one of the few interviews where both participants seem to truly enjoy it. Also, Emma asked Dr Ehrman why he likes what he studies, which few interviewers give the guest a moment to explain why they work hard to deeply understand a topic. Nicely done
Splendid stuff - love actual scholars who aren't clouded by irrational beliefs, congrats for getting him on for this.
Also, you're a charming and engaging interviewer, so kudos there too.
Back before I was deconstructing I was in an Apologetics class at my church. Dr. Ehrman helped start the process of deconstructing.
I can't recommend his books any more than I already do.
This is a crossover I wasn't expecting but I am living for it!
So he attacked your faith with LIES. The bible is objectively true as we speak. Jesus loves you! Neither is there salvation in any other! Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED! Get a king james bible and believe.
@@MichaelAChristian1 objectively true? yeah okay lmao
@@MichaelAChristian1 Sorry, I can't trust a book that teaches that the Sun ITSELF travels in motion over the Earth in the same way as the Moon does.
--- Galileo and Copernicus disproved the bible author's viewpoint, as the " inspired " bible authors believed in the same false cosmology as the Sumero Babylonians.
Read Joshua 10:12-13.
Maybe you should read, like Ehrman suggested, Genesis 1, as the plants were created on day three, while the Sun was created on day four
--- the " inspired" bible authors never knew about photosynthesis nor the Absolute Zero temperatures in outer space.
@@dvonzosch461 There was no death until day 6. There was light on earth to start the first day. Where did the light come from. How readest thou?
God created all things. Wake up! Jesus loves you!
Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED!
@@MichaelAChristian1 The measurement of a 24 hour day is by the Earth's movement around the Sun, and if the Sun wasn't created until day FOUR, how are the 1st four days measured ?
--- you need to think this through, instead of being spoon fed scriptures by your pastor.
How did the plants created on day three survive without the Sun, and in the Absolute Zero temperatures of outer space ?
Astrophysical science has established that the Earth and the planets were formed from cooled matter _after_ the Sun, yet the Enuma Elish ( Genesis ) creation story claims that the Earth was created before the Sun.
Joshua 10:12-13:
" Then spoke Joshua to the LORD...Sun, stand thou still.... and thou [ also] Moon...."
13) " And the Sun stood still, and the Moon stayed [ still ] until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies..."
--- Joshua commanded _BOTH_ the Sun itself, _and_ the Moon to stand still, not the Earth, which proves that the bible authors believed that the Sun, by itself, traveled in motion over the Earth in the exact same way as the Moon does, and, that it could be magically stopped, dead in the sky, simply by one man's prayer to Yahweh/Jesus !
Habakkuk 3:11 describes the same event:
" The Sun AND the Moon stood still in their habitation...."
WOW !
Way to go Emma! Your content has been getting better and better and I’m stoked to have discovered you this year!
I was born and raised a Catholic and did 13 years in Catholic schools. Even way back then we were not taught that Genesis was literal. We did bible stories when really little but as soon as proper schooling started we were taught about science and how the bible should be looked as a way ancient people made sense of the world and how they should live their lives. This creationist thing seems like an American phenomena that's been exported to the christian world.
That's due to a difference in religion. Catholics have sources outside the bible like saints and the Pope, while the different branches of protestant Christianity only rely on the bible and their interpretation of it. And of course if your only source of knowledge of God is the bible, then the bible cannot be wrong or else the very foundation of your belief falls apart.
@@vegeta4693214 Interesting. I guess a lot also depends on the pope at that moment but nevertheless I can't imagine Catholics ever going back to the bad old days of "fire & brimstone" and heretic hunts.
@@shegocrazy Because catholics have hierarchy. A single priest can go crazy and ask to go back to witch hunts, but the church would reject him. On the other hand, a Baptist pastor can go crazy and do the same, but there isn't any higher pastor to tell him he's nuts.
@@vegeta4693214 true
As a former journalism instructor, good interviews should sound like a conversation (without a list of questions to "get through").
This is a VERY good interview. Kudos Emma.
Great work Emma. Not so much as an interview and more of a conversation with Bart. Beautifully done. 👍👍👍
I've worked with Dr. Ehrman a few times for webinars/broadcasts during my tenure working for UNC. From all accounts, and from my experiences, a very stand-up human being and a very intelligent and rational researcher. Definitely check out his channel as well for some long-form talks/presentations. Worth the watch.
What a happy coincidence, I was looking for a just
You are an excellent interviewer. Fantastic job!
Marvelous episode Emma, will watch again later.
Keep up the good work!
Really enjoyed your talk with Dr Ehrman, it really shows how much you are growing that you can get such a renowned scholar on. Keep up the great work. =]
Amazing, as a Christian myself, I've never heard such fresh takes on it, Dr Bart seems awesome!
Visit his channel and listen to his podcasts if you're open to having a critical view of your faith. He isn't seeking to deconvert anyone, I too aren't looking to dissuade you from your faith.
Jesus loves you! Read Genesis. Read John. You literally live in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ 2022 by a 7 day week as FORETOLD. It is OBJECTIVELY TRUE as we speak. Get a king james bible an believe. Jesus loves you!
Amen !! The Word of God gets sweeter everyday !! 🙏
He's a nincompoop.
1. Love the eye makeup
2. Dr. Ehrman is a true legend
I always love listening to Dr. Ehrman in these types of UA-cam interviews. Thanks Emma!
Holy crap! Super excited to see this collab. Ehrman has been very helpful for me in my deconstruction process. Love it
I am so glad I could catch this on replay. This makes a rather awful day so much better. So thrilled to have found this channel, I have thoroughly enjoyed every video I have seen. Take care Emma, and thank you for this great collaboration.
This was very entertaining and informative :D Looking forward to more videos like this!
Fascinating, as always. Very pleased that you labelled each speaker; we would never have known who was who without that!
Context is essential in understanding this stuff. Love it. Hope you do more like this.
Do you mean context of the book of genesis to ancient Israelites?
Cultural context of each book, knowledge of how it has morphed over time, context of what was trying to be told at the time it was written. Context is essential in understanding ancient stories as the mindset of storytelling itself has changed dramatically over time. For example, if you read myths from The Egyptian Book of the Dead, they are using storytelling to explain the existence of the physical world through metaphor. If you had no understanding of that, and read it, it would just seem like a bizarre drama about incest and sibling rivalry.
@@thetypingape2073 What is the CONTEXT of those verses written thousands of years ago and are OBJECTIVELY TRUE AND YOU HAVE SEEN IT COME TO PASS. You live in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ 2022 by a 7 day week as FORETOLD! Jesus loves you! Your life is precious! Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED!
The best that the 21st century has offered to the science of history studies, religious studies and folklore studies is Bart Ehram. That is why we should only listen to and read Ehram’s lectures and papers, not anyone else’s. Anyone who has at least read Ehram’s blogs knows how good he is and I don’t think anyone else has to challenge Ehram. And I’m not kidding, Ehram is really superior in his own field of science. And the fact that Ehram is so popular and so genius proves that Ehram is right in his opinions. And that’s an even bigger reason why we should only listen to Ehram on this subject. And therefore, on the other hand, it is good that there are even some smaller universities that reject the studies of all other scholars except Ehram in their teaching. And that's how it should be. In this debate, too, Ehram proved why, by far.
This is the most comfortable and cheerful I've seen Ehrman in what seems to be ages. I also really appreciate Ms Thone who asks intelligent questions and then steps aside from her own ego to hear what Dr. Ehrman has to say. A *lot* of other UA-camrs could learn a valuable lesson from her.
Congratulations on getting an A list guest. Great interview..😊
This is one of my favorite Ehrman discussions so far. You're an excellent interviewer, Emma!
Bart Ehrman was one of the first few voices that led me to change my thinking on the Bible.
Bart was instrumental in my "Deconversion." (For fundamentalist Christians, I recommend "Forged" by Bart.)
Now I get to see two of my favorites in one video! Great job Emma :)
@@vernonchitlen8958 Even if you prove the theory of biogenesis false, it still doesn't make your claim true.
Those are separate issues.
The theory of biogenesis can be false while Christianity still being false.
You realize that you believe a magical being created all life out of nothing? (Without trying to explain how that would be even possible.) So in the end, who is actually required to have more "faith"? At least science is trying to explain how something like the life that we see has occurred.
One last thing to think about: Genesis makes many claims about how life came to be on this planet. Do you believe that is all scientifically accurate? (There is mountains of evidence that disprove the Genesis accounts.) How many peer reviewed papers have been written about how the Genesis accounts are true?
You may want to work on your own skepticism of your religion a bit more before jumping on the defensive there buddy.
@@vernonchitlen8958 OK then demonstrate to me spontaneous creation works. Show me some water turned into wine. Or some mud into a creature.
Then we can settle this debate once and for all.
I would love to see all the scientific awards you would win by demonstrating that you can create something from nothing.
You are committing the same fallacy as someone who doesn't do or read the research themselves.
You're trusting on something you can't verify, your holy book, to tell you where life came from.
Who wrote this book? What background in science do they have? Can you be sure they actually heard from god and aren't making shit up?
Again, none of this proves that Jesus rose from the dead. Show me, better yet, prove to me that Jesus rose from the dead?
You are very gullible to believe that Jesus rose from the dead, and take it as fact, when you're equally extremely skeptical of a scientific theory.
Science doesn't claim a theory to be always true. If you can prove that it is false, the theory is revised.
With Christianity, it is the complete opposite: No matter how many times you prove their faith to be false, they never revise their beliefs. How much evidence do we have to present to Christians before they realize their mistake in believing in a false God?
I know this is your grand defense in a god, but none of it does any good in defending your holy book.
I'm not a scientist, but I know for a fact that the bible is a book of fiction.
Good way to start/pick up a nasty day that didn't start well. Thanks for the video. :)
You can tell this will be good because they both have awesome sweaters
What an amazing interview! Love Dr. Ehrman
It's just amazing to me that some people can believe in Biblical inerrancy or a literal interpretation of the Bible given the many, many contradictions.
It's a pleasure to see you talking with someone knowledgeable on the subject. It's a breath of fresh air after Hovind and his ilk.
Holy Shit ive been binge watching this guys lectures/debates recently, they're really fascinating and entertaining!
Lovely interview Emma, thanks. Bart's passion and enthusiasm is wonderful, engaging and contagious!
Just purchased Dr. Ehrman's course 1 minute ago! So excited!!! Thanks Dr. Ehrman and Emma!
Wow Emma,it didn't take Hovind long to respond to this video. He must have one of his minions constantly checking your channel. Great vid,keep up the good work.
C'mon. Can't we live in a fantasy world? Kinda like Genesis.
In my fantasy world Kent is actually watching these full videos and they are slowly unravelling his world view.
Let me have this... ❤ don't mess with my happiness 😋
I very much enjoyed this discussion. I love creation myths and what they tell us about cultures.
Did not expect this to ever happen! This made my day! Love both of you
Two amazing people casually chatting about a fascinating subject. I love it.
You have the most beautiful voice I have ever heard! I wish Apple had a setting on the iPhone for Siri’s voice to be “ the Emma Thorne”
Thank you for the interview, the link to the course and for all your amazing content.
Wow, what a get, well done. I love Ehrmans work.
We love Bart and listen to his weekly podcast with Megan 👍😍😎
Thank you for interviewing Bart Ehrman!
Should be interesting if I'm remembering correctly; "Genesis contradicts Genesis" 😁
You can always tell a _real_ Doctor.
You mean his thesis doesn't start with "Hello, my name is Bart Ehrman"?
Ehrman's doctorate is in bible studies, from a seminary. He's not a 'real doctor' like, for example, someone with a PhD in History from a real university department.
@@Grim_Beard Ancient languages rather than bible studies, and that seminary is accredited, unlike the diploma mill where Kent bought his phoney diploma. He is certainly more of an academic than Kent will ever be.
@Grimbeard his PhD is from Princeton Theological Seminary and is focused on the New Testament as an ancient text. He’s every bit a “real” academic and scholar (e.g. doctor)
Are they the ones with the script pads who insist you get jabs ? Those guys ,?
I appreciate that Dr. Ehrman can draw a distinction between "Truth" and "Meaning." Both concepts have relevance to our existence as humans, but they are neither synonymous nor interdependent.
Totally didn't see this collab coming-awesome!!
Refreshing af while binge watching your channel 🤗
Emma might be a new favorite youtuber lol ive watched a lot of the backlog now.
Fantastic! Bart's work and Tim O'Neill's History for Atheists really helped me out.
I have heard and read the Bible, in its entirety, literally DOZENS of times in my life, even went to a Christian College and got the equivalent of a minor in Bible, and never ONCE did I notice the contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2 with the plants. It's insane what your brain will gloss over when you're taught that you have to believe something is 100% true and inerrant and has no contradictions.
It's an exercise in doublethink; the ability to hold two contradictory facts in your head at the same time, to seamlessly switch between them, and believe both to be true.
also it is almost obligatoir that the first 2 verses are translated and read as two seperated lines.
when they are read as one sentence ( as someone did on the net) you get a different story. It seems the subject of that sentence is in verse 2 while verse 1 is an indication of when verse 2 happened.
A kind of resuffle putting the subject up front and the time indication last gave me this:
Void and formless was the earth with the spirits of the gods hovering above the face of the floods
and darkness covering the deeps,
when at the start the gods shaped the heavens and the earth.
probably someone with knowledge of Hebrew would disagree and argue that "bara""can only mean "create" and not "giving shape.
Another scolar told that Genesis 1 can best be interpretated as a metaphore for sunrise on a new day.
Quite a different take then those apologists who shout that when you don't take Genesis 1 as a historical fact you deny Jesus.
Ehrman himself is the best exemple, by taking Genesis metaphoric and believing in a historic Jesus, that the apologist vieuw is utterly stupid.
Looking forward to this, always love a new vid from Emma :D
A great vid and a swell guy! Dr. Ehrman's perspective on and enthusiasm over the topic is refreshing to say the least and definitely a palette cleanser considering certain other videos talking about Genesis.
Loved that - you asked all the right questions of an interesting chap.
Emma you've gained another subscriber! You're unique honestly!
What a lovely person to listen to speak. I'm sure his course is fantastic. Great video.
Seeing her videos each week gives me so much joy
Sorry, one other comment here. It’s very helpful to distinguish between “literal” and “historical.” Just because a narrative is non-historical doesn’t mean it’s best interpreted non-literally. To use one of Ehrman’s examples, “David Copperfield” does not narrate historical events, though it has a realistic historical setting. But “David Copperfield” isn’t meant to be read figuratively or allegorically. Similarly there are stories in Genesis that can’t be taken seriously today as historical reports, but that doesn’t mean you have to resort to a figurative interpretation. You can also conclude that the authors/editors intended to present a historical narrative, but they were incorrect; or you can conclude that the authors/editors didn’t intend to present a historical narrative, but later readers have misunderstood the genre; or some other variation. Historical narratives can also be clothed in allegory; that isn’t quite what’s happening in Orwell’s “Animal Farm,” but it’s close enough to get the point.
omg I'm so excited you had Bart Ehrman on your channel! I love his books! His research has helped me so much!
Thanks for this conversation.
Thank you for setting this up. It is an amazing thing to see.
Just found your channel! Ironically, I'm in the midst reading Dr. Ehrman's book "God's Problem" regarding suffering and the biblical view. Fantastic interview! Already loving your content!
Excellent video Emma, I love you more each time... I think you are a delight to listen to. I particularly like that you have reduced the length of your videos to a more digestible 15-20 min.
Greetings from Colombia and cheers!
I'd love to see a group discussion video with Emma, Stephen (Rationality Rules), Drew (GM skeptic), and Paul (Paulogia).
Love the video! He's one of my favourite Bible scholars! Well, that was a massive nerd phrase. Anyways, thanks for the lovely video
Love you Emma and all your videos! You are such a ray of sunshine.
Well done getting Bart on! I love his analysis.
Excellent episode! So interesting, so engaging... great content thank you :)
Thanks Emma, now I have a new reading list to get through.🤣🤣🤣😂😁 Very good stuff. My wife had the pleasure of attending a talk he gave at her work.
Genesis was one of the first WTFs I had that eventually led to atheism
Now I have to ask...what field does your wife work in that allows her to attend Bart Ehrman lectures as part of the job? I want that job lol!
@@chewyjello1 She works for NPR and it was more of a presentation rather than a lecture. He was on a book tour. One of the best parts of working at NPR is their tiny desk concerts. Musicians that come in for interviews are invited to do a short performance for the staff. Most agree.
@@KRWoodworks Ahh! That sounds awesome! I love the NPR podcast Invisibilia....you just reminded me, I should see if they have any new episodes out.
Y’all match nicely!
Emma ; you are intelligent and come across fantastically . 27 yrs old and so far more learned than other weak people . Good luck to you and your life style . Keep it up ,,, well worth listening to . 😘
I'm Catholic, and I know that for about the last several hundred years most serious Catholic scholars have been very honest with their understanding of sources and meanings of the most ancient parts of the Old Testament and this Doctor is very spot on, totally.
The Catholic Church accepts Genesis 1 and 2 as metaphorical and accepts modern theories of Cosmological and Biological beginnings and formations. Hence, why I love alot of channels like this one and am still a Christian.
So jealous you had a chance to chat with Dr. Ehrman; I've learned so much from him, taken a few of his online webinars. Will seriously consider this course as well. Thanks Emma, for a great job! Subscribed and looking forward to more from you.
Emma great interview today . You have become one of my favorite. !
I am a firm believer in Genesis, even though Phil Collins has left the band.
The only Genesis album I can listen to all the way through is "Nursery Cryme."
@@grantcarpenter6685 Selling england by the pound, lamb lies down on broadway, trick of the tail and wind and wuthering is top tier
Steve Hackett is still touring, and performing the classics. He truly was the soul of the classic line-up.
You mean Peter Gabriel.
@@drzaius844 You are right. I am so used to bands of my younger days losing members, and I had been listening to some old Queensryche before posting.
I have to say that one of the most impressive scholarly observations about Genesis is that of Britain's Samuel Rolles Driver' (1846-1914) cf. his comments in his commentaries (1904-1926) on Genesis1-11.
Driver: (1904) :
"We have in the first chapter of Genesis the Hebrew version of an originally Babylonian legend respecting the beginning of all things...Israel stripped the old legend of its pagan deformities. Its shape and outline survived. But its spirit was changed, its religious teaching and significance were transformed..." (p.31)
"In fact, no archaeologist questions that the biblical cosmogony, however altered in form and stripped of its original polytheism, is, in its main outlines, derived from Babylonia." (p. 3)
"The evidence of archaeology, geology, biology, and allied sciences points to the conclusion that man,so far from having begun his existence upon the globe in the happy surroundings of an Eden, has slowly emerged from a state of savagery, in which he was, externally at least, little removed from the brute creation. His primitive condition was not one of harmony and happiness, but that of fierce conflict against opposing forces.
"Pain and death prevaiied upon the earth before man made his appearance, and have, it would seem, been prime factors in his evolution." cf. (p. 36. Samuel Rolles Driver. The Book of Genesis with introduction and notes. 6th edition. 1904. London. Westminster Commentaries.
Regards, Walter R. Mattfeld
Wow just blown away you were able to interview him! Epic! And I have been wanting to take a course by him!
Ahh!!! I love that you were able to chat with him! So exciting
This is a great show Emma. You are on the way up girl!
Loved this. Immediately subscribed and got Bart's class. It's currently in an unedited form without slides, and it's still fascinating. I've been fighting nutbar theocrats for 40 years, and I still learned dozens of things about the OT that I hadn't known before.
Hi, Emma! I recently subscribed to your channel, and I got to know about you from the last episode of "Truth Wanted". Love your accent, by the way! You're charming, and your content is delightful. Thanks for bringing in Dr. Bart Ehrman!!! I'll be checking out his books as soon as possible. 😃
Thanks for your content and for being one of the most brilliant, clearest minds I have encountered. Keep on with the good job! GRAZIE!
Thank you so much! ;~;
@@EmmaThorneVideos you are very welcome!
If I were on a long distance plane trip and these two were in the seats next to me, that would be the best trip ever. This was a real treat.
When you realize there are people actually debating the legitimacy of an old myth. This is like debating if superman is real.
Excellent questions. You made the interview sound like a conversation. Alot of preparation must have been put into this video.
What's great interview! Also, how exciting that you got to do this!
You're really blowing up, Emma!
You scored, Emma! Dr. Ehrman. Whew!.
So envious you got to speak with Dr. Ehrman!
Hi Emma, great interview, Bart is such a wonderful scholar and writer, and you are a gifted interviewer. Keep up the great work