2013 Ford C-MAX vs Toyota Prius V Hybrid Mashup Review
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2012
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The 2013 Ford C-Max and Toyota Prius V are both family hauling Hybrids. In fact they compete for the exact same buyer. They both seat 5 people, they both get at least 40 MPG, they both have a gas engine and an electric motor, they both use their brakes to regenerate power back into the batteries that they both also have under and behind the rear seats. So calling this is a mashup review might be a bit of stretch as both hybrids live and compete in the exact same market segment.
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Guys, I would like to say that the production quality of your shows is getting better and better. Well done! It is certainly a lot of work to produce as many videos as you do and you are doing so superb!!!
Great video guys! I have to say again you two are by far my favorite auto journalists!
FYI: We'll have a First Drive C-Max Energi review for you by the end of the week.
What trim package did your demo on the Prius?
How come those 3 big guys did not sit in the back of the Prius V
Audio issues. Sound cuts out at 0:05, comes back in at about 0:15, but drops again at 2:40 and doesn't pick up again until 3:54. More audio problems after that.
I don't like hybrids, will never even consider buying one. However, I just drove the C-Max 2500 miles by myself and I am very impressed. Going 85 on the highway is as easy as in my 2008 535xi, and I averaged 34 mpg over the trip. I fell in love with the car. The handling, the size, the personality. If I was in the market for a cheap family car I would buy a C-Max.
You guys make GREAT car review videos!
Dude! You are the FIRST to figure that out! You just made my day.
"It's all in the reflexes."
Nathan, isn't the C-MAX supposed to have some fancy schmantzi seating gizmos for the back seats, or was that EU models only?
After putting on 30k miles, I'm actually getting 49.7 mpg average with the Prius V wagon with everyday driving (below 80 mph). It's a pretty decent car that doesn't lack passing power.
I agree. The videos are much more polished and professionally done and it shows. From shaky cameras to this polished videos. It's really a huge improvement. Well done.
Love all your videos!
Audio issues??
I cant hear audio in the last half I tried on my phone computer and tablet same thing
We know, but don't worry we have plenty of regular mashups in the pipeline in the weeks ahead. Ford provided the Prius V to test so we couldn't pass up the opportunity to compare the two vehicles.
Excellent comparison review!
shouldnt it be compared to pruis c instead?
excellent review guys
What’s up with the audio or is it just me?
Pls do a lotus evora review...
I would love to see nathen get into the car
How about a tour of the dashboards? I would have appreciated a description of acceleration and how good the braking is. How about cornering? Compare safety features such as airbags. Road noise level? GPS? Cargo space?
Cornering is what you would expect from a 3,600 lb car. Everything else is pretty great. Ford infotainment control system can be problematic but usually just turning the car off and turning it back on fixes any problems with volume control for instance sometimes that freezes up and you can't change it other than that I haven't had much problems with it for 10 years now except for two times that it started blowing just hot air then I had to turn the car off get out lock it and get back in and turn it back on just turning it off and locking it doesn't work for some reason but like I said it only happened twice in 10 years so no big
The breaking is excellent to the point of you have to learn not to press too hard on this car because the brakes are super grabby
Lmao “Take my butt!” 🤣🤣🤣 had me dying.
Ford makes it sound like it's all theirs. I know for a fact that they are now using an in-house continuously variable transmission of their own design.
Great review
C-Max hybrid owner here.... I only get 38.8 MPG :(
2013 Prius V 34-35mpg consistent average and 2008 Prius 40-41 mpg. Don't feel so bad from another real current owner of the TWO priuses.
Carlos Carroll maybe you drive it too hard? We get better than that on ours but I drive like grandpa. Yes the Toyota will get better MPG but the C-Max is way more fun to be in and drive. More powerful and quieter with a much nicer interior. There's more to life than just great gas mileage. Prius no doubt has the reputation for reliability but it's boring and slow, I have one also so should know. When it's time to trade my Prius I'll probably be getting a C-Max Energi.
David Church Yeah I'm around 43-45 with my c-max but I've heard that they do vary greatly from car to car which is a shame. a lot of it I've heard has to do with the weather and if you are driving it in the cold more often than not (which the cold really does hamper the mpg quite a bit). if you're planning on driving 20 miles or so then I would recommend the energi model if not I would suggest the sel version. The energi model actually gets less gas mileage than the se and sel models due to it weighing more. But if mpg isn't your main concern then by all means go for the energi (it's the green thing to do!).
I drive long distances everyday , lol so I don't get much 😂😂😂, 37.2mpg
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Yeah if you're doing a lot of highway driving it will Def hurt the mileage but that 37.1 number seems low. Is it an se or sel? Ford originally had put that it gets 47 mpg on the window stickers but had to change it to 42 (I believe) due to a lot of customer complaints of not getting even close to the 47 mpg. Plus it is a car that is ment to be driven a certain way (like a grandpa) to get the most out of it gaswise. It's Def a nice vehicle that I have no complaints about other than storage in the back, but it's a hybrid that's what's expected.
I drove it yesterday. Very well done. Allot of room.
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OMG! You were in L.A!? I wish I knew! I would have bought you some coffee!
Thanks so much Nathan!
We found ourselves facing this very decision when buying our first hybrid, and ultimately chose the C-max. In the end it came down to the fact that the Prius V had no option for power adjustable driver's seat.
anyone else missing audio ?
another great review....c max lost me with lack of rear seat recline and move fore/aft.
This video claims 47mpg for the C-max, but when I look it up, why am I seeing "37 highway, 42 city"?
One Wheel Man Ford had to revise their numbers and send out checks to owners of the C-Max
I think that globalization of the platforms, parts and technology has helped all automakers. I remember when some American automakers sold new vehicles that were already rusting. Things are SO much better now.
Questions:
1. What was your experience of first driving a car? What did you feel, enjoy, understood that could be examined under questioning?
2. Is a car built by what it really is, or just by how professional the company is? For example, hype and build-up of a brand name when its not much at all?
3. Is there a car company that's really about ride quality, dependability and technology innovation? If so, do they really stand by those standards and is talk really about the final product?
I would take the Prius V, I'm not into European-style American cars. And did ford make their own hybrid system? Or do they still share it with Toyota?
Thanks for the kind words about our videos. Very much appreciated!
I know from reading your replies on every online automotive online site you love your Toyotas. We'll have to wait for long term testing however. I actually love the C-Max for what it is. And it competes very well against Toyota, which is good for us! I love competition!
-from a Toyota owner
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Good point on Natural Gas too.
Ive never seen one of these on the road
...because Hydrogen tanks are so light (hint: around 500 pounds in a BMW Hydrogen 7). You do know the Clarity is almost identical in weight to the Cmax, right?
@John Hitstein $5 says that has everything to do with the drivers, and that fact that the cmax is a slightly sportier drive as far as the extra power. Give the average driver more power, and they'll use it. Obviously, this greatly affects gas mileage.
I am glad to see Ford with a Hybrid competitor. If seat comfort is that much of an issue, I would use it to negotiate a lower price. It is not too difficult to install aftermarket seats. I am 6'2'' and have driven an 05 Prius on several 1,000 + mile interstate road trips. Plenty of room and no discomfort issues.
I would like to see Ford become a leader in the field. I am sure they will get better each year.
Seats suck. Super hard to the point I've added foam under car seat covers to fix that problem, which looks a bit ghetto. Stupid hippie soy foam for green points. Huge mistake.
I would actually wait until Ford makes a smaller, more inexpensive version of the C-Max, much like what Toyota did with the Prius C; something that's closer to $20,000 than $25,000. In the meantime, I'm getting almost 43 mpg with my 2012 Focus, so I'm good for now. Great vids, guys.
Okay, but that was not what we were talking about. He wanted to know why 2 different reviewers had very different opinions about the handling.
In addition, where exactly do you plan to get your hydrogen? If you get it from natural gas, it's cheaper and more efficient to just burn the NG in an Atkinson cycle engine coupled to a hybrid. If you get it from water, you need staggering energy inputs from power plants...most likely nuclear (BTW, how is nuclear not green?). But in the end it's always less efficient than just making electricity and charging a battery.
Good point but I said the car was less pretentious, not the drivers
Remember also this is the US version. Car companies are convinced we want mushy cars. The first thing they do is soften up the suspension and overboost the steering, then add 350 lbs to pass US impact tests. In Europe the average C-max is probably a diesel with a manual transmission. For some reason they expect to actually put some effort into driving the car...
Oh, you mean the fact that the C-max has JUST been launched and millions of affected Priuses with brake issues mean that the Prius's safety record is more pristine than the C-max's? Makes sense now.
Well, I grew up in Los Angeles and my family’s business is still there (Aadlen Bros Auto Wrecking) which was a big part of my life. I still have good friends and a few family members there too. So, I miss Disneyland, the beach, good food and an amazing car culture. Denver is what I prefer: great people, real adventure potential, a lack of pretentiousness, affordable housing, it’s a real sports town and has incredible beauty. I’ll take Denver over L.A. any day. Thanks for watching!
As the video stated, they make their own now.
I own an '08 Prius, w/157k miles on it. I did get a chance to drive the C-Max earlier today, and was inpressed with how sprite this car is! Comparing it to my Dad's '12 Camry Hybrid, I like the C-Max better.. Both cars are good vehicles, but I think Ford is going to steal some Prius sales from Toyota..
Looks like the electric Focus' big brother! Here's hoping they made it a little more fun to drive than the Prius family, and the battery tech less costly as well.
So at 5:34, Roman asks the Ford guy how they get such fantastic numbers. Simple. Go look at the Ford site now. 42 mpg city, 37 highway. Don't get me wrong . . . I like the C-Max. Almost bought one, but after driving both, the Toyota won in our household. They are both good cars (for their purpose), with each having their pros vs the competitors cons. It really comes down to which one YOU like better. Spend some time with the entertainment system in both cars! Really. Either one could be a deal maker or breaker, depending on what you like.
Don't regret your choice. Stay out of Cmax - very unreliable (2013, 80 k miles).
Actually, the automakers do the fuel economy testing based on EPA defined test parameters then send them the numbers to be published on the window sticker. The EPA does not test most vehicles (only something like 10% of cars are spot checked by the EPA to verify claimed fuel economy).
Unfortunately this means the mpg's published on the sticker is mostly at the discretion of the automakers. Hence it is more difficult to meet those numbers in some cars than others in the real world.
the aftereffects are a bit out of sync in the beginning
This is a guess: I think they had to install simple fold flat seats that compensated for the space where the Li-ion batteries go. I think you're right about the EU models. Those crafty Europeans get all the good stuff!
Why doesn't anyone pair a Diesel engine with an electric only drive system?
You guys are FUNNY together!!!
Nathan seems to be wearing a version of a T shirt that Kurt Russell wore in Big Trouble in Little China.
If so, I say, good call my man!
The original 2001 Prius got better than 40 MPG combined. The Prius V gets 42 combined. The Prius is tested and has millions of miles logged. We'll see if the C-Max can also do the same.
Toyota recalls 7.43 million cars - Oct. 10, 2012 - NUFF SAID!!
The electric power steering in this one is very light and feels over-boosted. Also, this C-Max comes only as a hybrid which means it has several pounds of battery weight. It changes the driving dynamics. Still, it's more exciting to drive than the Prius V. Thanks for watching!
I'm glad that a American auto maker is actually for once making cars that is up to par with Japanese automakers and quality. GO FORD!
I think the European measurements are based on the Imperial gallon. As such, the results for most European vehicles will be significantly different than the U.S. vehicles. Thanks for watching!
hybrids have low rolling resistance tires, they don't handle as well as regular tires, but they do gain mpgs
Not in the city, though. A lot of gasoline powered vehicles tout high 30s or even 40s for highway gas mileage, but I am not aware of any that come close to that in the city. My Honda Civic claims 39 mpg highway, but doesn't come close to that in the city. In this market segment, it is what you get in the city that really matters.
BTW...making batteries is an absolute cakewalk compared to making fuel cells covered in precious metals. I'm perfectly ok with battery life...the Ford Escape hybrids have proven themselves more than capable of over 400k miles in Taxi duty which is about as extreme as it gets.
Anyone who knows why the Prius is only rated at 40 MPG combined in the states?
In Europe, the regular Prius is rated at 72.4 MPG combined, and the Plug-in does even better.
I am glad that ford chose to actually put things like sound deadening and good quality interior materials rather than go the prius route and leave those things out to save weight.
that is exactly what I would buy the C-Max plug-in hybrid, if only it would be available in the Philippines;)
40 mpg??????? There are gas powered cars that get close that mileage. What the point?
Electrolysis is typically around 50% efficient in practice. 70 is the upper limit...that's pretty bad when you factor in: 60% efficiency in generating electricity (being generous and using the best combined cycle numbers), then 60% efficiency in making hydrogen, then 15% loss in compressing it, then 50-60% max efficiency in the fuel cell, then 95% charging efficiency in the battery, then 98% motor efficiency. That's about 17% efficiency. Compared to .6*.95*.98 for an electric car which is 56%
3607 vs. 3582 is 25 lbs difference, so it's almost entirely immaterial.
Without even getting into the challenges associated with actually producing commercially viable fuel cells and storage tanks that are both inexpensive and efficient, I think you're nuts.
Battery technology has both a better promise than fuel cells and is currently better in practice. Technology is progressing in batteries like computer chips in the 90s. "Well to wheel" efficiency of a H2 FC car is ~= prius.
I'd agree with that. The problem lies when the prices get a lot closer. Would you pay $15k for a Versa or $19k for a Prius C? Those would be similiarly equipped prices. The Prius C is an excellent car at that price for what you get with its technology. Sure, it might take you 5 years to recoup that money in Gas savings, but it also keeps more value based on it being A.) a Toyota, and B.) a Hybrid.
It also depends on the driver, and how they drive! I have a 97 Chrysler LHS It is only supposed to get 25MPG HWY when it was NEW! I can push 30MPG HWY!
Mine was made at the Wayne Assembly Plant in Michigan.
Fair enough. The car doesn't choose the driver. Good vid look forward to the next.
oh you guys! I want a C section Now! Opps, I mean C-MAX
Recall is a common nightmare for automakers whether the problem is minor or major. No automakers want to face bad publicity or lawsuit. Recall is not a big concern to buys. Buys are more concerned about what they get for what they paid for. In this sense, Toyota clearly emerges as the winner. In the long run, RELIABILITY AND QUALITY are key factors that make people want to buy toyota over and over again regardless of how many bad publicity toyota has had. People know and trust toyota.
Fair point. Clarity not in mass production yet, and it does weight 3,500 vs Cmax 3,600 (Standard civic 2,700). I don't think the future are electric gas hybrids. I think that's more like HDDVD's. Clarity uses electric motor, powered by hydrogen, the most abundant material in the universe, it could be cheaper to produce than gasoline, produces ZERO emissions. Electric cars aren't exactly green if they get their power from a nuclear or coal power plant grid, then need more in 86 miles.
Say what you want, but when I walk up to my car with my son in one arm, purse and groceries in the other, I wouldn't mind having the gate open. It looks kind of slow, but I think it's a potential back-saver!
The Prius is small. The whole point was to compare midsize cars that can carry soccer balls, kids backpacks, and other stuff. Hence they chose the V
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Really? My 2010 Fusion Hybrid has a lifetime average of 43.3 MPG and 127k miles on it with zero issues, battery running strong too. I was pleasantly surprised that it just keeps humming along with oil changes every 8k miles and on my second set of tires. I too was extremely nervous sinking over $25k into a hybrid car, but it has by far paid for itself and is pretty slick since I have the 502A package.
Perhaps you should drive a modern Ford vehicle.
The headrest thing!! I always asked that!! The phone numbers too.. "555-..."
im confused now, in Europe Ford is well known for their sharp handling and the similar C-Max there is no exception, but in this review you guys find it numb. Don't get me wrong, i have not driven one myself but now im not sure to trust who now.
Why not enjoy the extra power if you're not penalized for it? Heck you get more power and more MPG. Sounds like a deal to me...
Pretty good video, but the whole beach intro was a waste of time. Your editor also misspelled "chief" in the CG identifier. Please emphasize that the MPG numbers are EPA figures, not real world. Car and Driver just got 32 MPG's in a 600 mile test of the C-Max, and even fewer in the V.
i'm not surprised because you can get 40MPG from a FR-S if you have a light foot... so getting 40mpg on a hybrid should be no problem for someone with a heavy foot.. also i think the Prius C is the main competitor for the C-max not the Prius V
47 city and 47 highway, look people a hybrid actually worth looking at.
NG could be more efficient, but how it's obtained isn't always safe ie. fracking. Hydrogen from water is no more complex or energy intensive than removing crude oil from thousands of feet below any surface and turning it to useable gasoline, oils, etc. Experts have said the process of removing hydrogen from water and putting it to use in a vehicle is no more energy intensive than the process with oil. Nuc Plants are sort of green, but definitely not entirely.
The Prius V is a lot larger than the C-Max. I don't understand why they're comparing these two, it should be the C-Max vs the regular Prius, or even the Prius C. The Prius V gets mid-40 MPG vs the regular Prius' 50 MPG because it's a lot larger. Also, in light of Ford's wrong EPA figures, the Prius V's MPG is equal if not better than the C-Max's...and that's for being a bigger car too!
Based on MotorTrend review, Prius V is still more fuel efficient @39mpg vs ford cmax @ 37mpg actual. Prius V 2014 will even surpass any competitors @60mpg. And to top it all, it has tested reliability.
The Prius C does get better mpg BUT they were talking about the Prius V not the C. Maybe the whole C-Max/Prius V mashup thing was a bit of a throw off? Good day!
Yeah I looked this up. Edmunds didn't do extensive testing and only tested like what 250 miles, not even a tank. Ford stated IN THEIR MANUAL (p. 196) that it learns within the first 1000 miles and at the 2-3k mile fuel economy will improve. Nice try though...
The C-Max gets mpgs in the high 30s in the city. Which is still really good, but not as good as the Prius which has no sound deadening and is surprisingly noisy at high speeds. What was Ford thinking when they published the 47 number? However, other than the seats, it is a good car. It's fun, sporty even.
I got like 1500 back from Ford when they determined that the miles per gallon were closer to like 43-44, I forget, and due to my using it in my work and putting high mileage on it they actually paid me thousands to meet with their engineers and talk about what I liked about the car and what I didn't so I got an excellent deal paid 40 probably got like five to seven or eight thousand dollars back for meeting with their Engineers so that worked out pretty well for me
I won't argue the reliability. However, Toyota is milking the Prius train and simply rehashing the same product with slightly newer skin and now 4 new different sized versions.
Now Ford enters with a Prius competitor and is looking very well. Competition is good for US. Don't be upset Ford has introduced a competitor, be glad. Now Toyota has to make innovative moves. Hopefully they'll do that in the driving experience department.