Say Goodbye to the Case 340 Magnum (finding a better tillage tractor)
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Stay tuned until the end to see what tractor will be on the chisel plow this fall. Watch as we test out a couple different tractors to replace the Case. We are hoping to find something with a little more power and hopefully a lot fewer service calls every year.
Just discovered your channel.. loved this comparison of different configurations. Fascinating. I'm subscribed!
Thanks a lot! I try to put out a video every week, so you have a lot of catching up to do 😂
Always exciting to get new equipment! Great to see you tried out several tractors, you don't know how they really perform until you try them yourself!
Thanks jean!
This was very
"edge- you-muh-cay-shun-uhl"!!! Thanks for taking us along for the ride!
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This is my first time ever seeing your channel pop up and the first time I’ve seen it but I’m impressed! You guys do some cool stuff ! I’m subscribing now so I don’t miss out anymore ! Keep up the good of work ! And Thank you for what you do everyday !
Thanks a lot! I’m glad you found us!
Hi Guys, I’m new to the channel and must say I really enjoyed it, great review you gave, I’m looking forward to your next video. Thanks Stephen
Welcome aboard Stephen! Glad to have you here 👍
The pleasure is all mine, I just wish the UK had guys like you and your brother
Excellent video as always!
Thanks
Sweet tractor! Have fun with it
Thanks!
Great video! I admit that I wasn’t all that surprised when the 4WD has slipping since it didn’t have a full weight set. With weights, a 4WD leans into it and can tear some ground up. Still..fun having a new tractor and the IVT/ILS combo will make for interesting viewing for us!
Yes it probably needed some more weights. We were also really disappointed in the ride quality of the big tractor.
Good job of explaining how the IVT works with load & speed set point.
I could explain how it actually works inside but I think i might bore people to death 🤣
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 Hi again, you definitely would not bore me at least. My equipment knowledge is from the 70's, and I appreciate you explaining how the new machines work, inside and out! Also new farming practices. All the automation is amazing. Thanks Much Carl!
Sweet tractor! Congrats!
We love it!
Always a pleasure watching ..so much to learn and understand about farming . someone said its NOT rocket science ,, my take its close
Thanks for watching, Ken! And I appreciate your encouragement 👍
It’s almost impossible for us to determine the quality of your ride. Only you can be the judge of that. From what shown us, you made the right choice. A great upgrade in technology for sure also.
Good choice Carl. 👍🏻
I know how it feels to get a new pc of equipment this 1 makes it really nice for the operator
Yes it does! Now comes the real test. How reliable will it be?
Great demo. I watch another farmer that has the same tractor and he has nothing but great things to say about it.
Good to hear!
I guess it holds true...bigger isn’t always better! Nice tractor! Should make your job better. Enjoyed the informative video Carl.
Thanks Curt!
Wow, that independent front suspension works almost as well as the Roll-O-Matic of the 1950's ;-). Best of luck with the new machine and the rest of the harvest, Carl.
Haha good point! 😂😂
I. Remember the roll o matic front end. On our Olivers, to pull a front tire, just drive one tire up on a board. I needed a jack for the JD tractors.
@@robertheinkel6225 Yep, that was certainly a maintenance disadvantage, but it did make a big difference to the driver doing fieldwork. Be well.
Here in southern Michigan we run a johndeere 9570rt and a case 580 quadtrac for tillage. The case has more power but the johndeere has a smoother ride. We run a case 870 ripper with the case and our salford vertical tillage tool with the Deere. Both tractors are nice but I pefer the 9570rt. I think the 8r is the machine for you but maybe a tracked 9rt would pull better in my opinion. You know as well as I that what works for us might not work for you guys. Our soil types might change how good of traction we get with tracks as well. Nice video stay safe and farm on my friends !
Yes good point about the tracks! We used to run a caterpillar 85D as a tillage tractor. The old flat tracks left a lot to be desired in ride quality and performance. Sometimes the wheels would slip inside the tracks if you were chiseling in the snow or went though a wet spot. I’m sure the newer tracks are a big improvement over the old flat track cat. I’d really love a John Deere quad track, but we’d have to sell a pretty big field to afford one. 😂
My brother has a 8310R with that same front suspension and a 8335R without it, definite difference in how the ride.
Yes it’s like night and day! I wish the grain cart tractor had it now
That 8370R tractor looks and works great. I just hope any repairs on all that brain power doesn't cost a arm and leg.
I hope so too. We already spent all our arms and legs fixing that darn red tractor the last few years 😂
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 if it’s red, leave it in the shed!
How was the big tractor weighted compared to the 8370r? Like ballast in the tires? Cast iron weights? Might have explained the slip.
Tires and weighting may have played the performance of the “bender”.
Hi, I've really been enjoying your videos and learning lots. Thanks for showing how the yield plots work on the iPad. Could you maybe explain how/why you select different seed types and makers for different types of soils. Also I'm interested in some of spreadsheets you utilize (was a database guy). This is all new to me but you make it fascinating! Thanks
Good ideas Jeff! You and my wife would get along great. She’s a real spreadsheet person. We will be buying seed in about a month so that will be a good time to talk about that!
Fancy tractor. Very advanced. Your a JD salesman now.
Haha put me on the payroll 😂
Great vid. I was surprised at the two Deere's. I thought the big one was going to outpull but I was wrong.
Same here.
Curious on the specs between each tractor... thought for sure that 4wd should have easily won unless the weight isn't there. For strictly tillage, I don't think 4wds can be beat in that aspect due to its sheer mass/weight.
Farming 4G I wish we could have weighed the four wheel drive. The 8370R weighs 35,800.
Hi Carl. Tractor would even be better if it had Michelin tires on it. I got 8370 with them with 3000 hours. They show very little wear. Pull like a mule. Great video 👍
Yes it has Michelin Agribib tires all the way around 👍
Great video! How deep is the new one pulling the chisels? Maybe I missed it but I seen you measure magnum at 9" deep.
8.5 to 9 inches
Great video. I am wondering how a tracked tractor would do doing that job? I was shocked by the 9 series tractor. I thought it would it just completely annihilate the 8370. Can you plow faster than 6mph? I always thought the faster you go and how deep your plowing gets you better results? Maybe I'm wrong. I know you got to have speed and power when disking to get the soil to achieve better results.
Yes good point! It would have been interesting to test a track machine as well. We were similarly shocked by the poor performance of the big tractor. We are running 6mph with the chisel because that’s about as fast as we can pull it before the implement wants to start bouncing and doing a poor job of leveling.
Sweet... I would have thought bigger the better... To much wheel on the ground? Not enough weight? What's your opinion why the bigger wasn't the best..
I think it needed more weights. I also think the front suspension and the ivt helps the 8370R keep the wheels on the ground and transmit power smoothly.
Can’t believe you guys are going 9 deep with a chisel lol
How deep do you go?
In my experience a properly weighted articulated tractor will pull more and ride better than a fwa . Also I think a hard pulling heavy tillage tractor is better equipped with a powershift or manual transmission that is easier and cheaper to repair .If that ivt craps itself out of warranty you'll need a second mortgage on your farm and sell your first born.
I do agree maybe that 4x4 was not weighted quite right. But it’s pretty hard to beat the ride quality that this independent front suspension provides. Hopefully the ivt holds up!
Yayy no more bouncing for Carl 👍🏻😊
Hi. I get that bigger is not always better n I get the independent suspension, but what is the tilage (?) actually doing to the ground? Nice that you could show all 3 tractors doing the same job. You should submit this video to the company as a selling point for them. Peace to you and yours
Hey you should watch my video from last year! ua-cam.com/video/t9TR87Do6hA/v-deo.html
What is the make/model chisel plow you were running?
Landoll 2111
I'm curious to know what you think about the john deere 2 years later. You can't go wrong with a case ih in my opinion.
It would have been interesting to see what you thought of Challenger 1038.
I’ve driven a 1050. They are really nice 👍
Interesting seen a well heal 1466 International dualed with 20.8 X42 weighed down with weights. Pumping 250 hp pulling same tillage 6 mph and we cannot bring this tractor to her knees
You pull a 13 shank Coulter chisel with a 1466???
Thanks
Thanks!
You’ll love it , have one 4 years already!! Love it!!
Already a fan!
In the eternal words of Tim the Toolman Taylor, MORE POWER - usually works
Haha yeah! (Grunt grunt)
Is there a reason you don't follow the planter lines when you do tillage? (I am sure there is a good reason because everyone seems to run across the fields at an angle)
Great question! Going at an angle helps work out the ruts made by the equipment going up and down the rows all year.
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 Makes perfect sense, cheers
Have you ever tried a Quad Track tractors ?
No but I’d love to! They are just so dang expensive!
Excellent. But why do you guys over the pond always say RPMS and not RPM?
Hmm. Now that I think about it that doesn’t make any sense 😂😂
According to Mike Mitchell, a farmer up in Saskatchewan they are going away from tracked tractors and going back to tires. He says that you just can't get the power to the ground on quad track machines. On one of his quad tracks he as over 4000 lbs of weights on the back tracks and still couldn't make it work as hard as it was supposed to.
I've never heard Mike say that in any of his Videos. Are you sure you aren't mixing things up here? Now I might be wrong here but what I've understood their wheeled tractors can't get the power on the ground. Thats why they traded off the 1050s (or are at least trying to) and getting new deere and case Quadtracks.
Just curious I’m kind of looking for a newer case IH tractor 340 is a bit more than I need just was wondering where are you traded it in and I live about 15 or 20 minutes from where you were at so didn’t know if you kept it real local
Yeah it went to Bodensteiner. I’m not sure if they still have it or if it’s already sold.
I will check with Rowley
Case IH has a CVT VARIABLE TRANSMISSION ALSO DID U TEST IT.
We did not because we didn’t want another case.
That tractor came from Kalona Iowa at my old dealership I worked at. I wonder who’s it was first.
It’s a one owner tractor from Amana Farms.
Would of been nice to see you try the bigger magnum as well
Well we were not wanting another magnum. We were looking for a better ride than the case front axle can deliver.
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 I guess I’m just a case fan but I understand your decision 👍🏻👍🏻
Hey Carl, this was a great video. One question - who was the guy driving the tractors?
Thanks! That was my friend Josh. His uncle owns the big farm.
can you next time please shoot the video outside view more so that we can get to hear and see the ploughing and performance much better ..nice video i like the JD
We just traded our 2017 8345r on a 2020 9370r. I hope it’s different then the one showed in the video
I’m sure it will work just fine for you. We were purposely trying to overwork these tractors just to see what they were capable of. You can almost always add a bunch more weight to those articulated 4 wheel drives.
You made your neighbor cry 😢
Nah he’s a tuff guy 😂
So what is the chisel plow? Is it a Landoll? 7 shank, 9 shank?
Landoll 13 shank
try the Kirowez K-744R if you can get a hand on it in the USA!
good n strong and not too expensive! greetings! 🤭
I just looked them up. There is one in South Dakota and two in Canada
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 give it a try, we have several tractors in constant use, also in hardest wintertime and the are really stable. I know USA is John Deere Country, you have also very good brands (New Holland; Fendt etc.) but to be honnest, its also the price who counts. Kirowez uses Mercedes Benz Engines and also Cummins from USA. Spareparts should be no problems. Russian brands dont get displayed when you ask Google for tractors in several Top Tens, but thats a political thing and i am a 100% apolitical person.. 🤭 I belive the nearest dealer for you is in Thornhill, Ontario, which is in Toronto. A US Dealer in Canada? Ok, i dont know it before (thats this political thing..😔) but anyway! Greetings from the Ural Mountains! 👍😉
I hope that 9360r can get it, its less power than what the other r has but it has a lot more weight to it
I think it needs more weight.
nice up grade
It’s awesome!
You were not impressed with the articulated tractor because of slip & slip I believe you said, I’ve noticed JD’s seem to not have the weight balanced compared to CIH Steiger’s do. A CIH Steiger unweighted pulls better than a comparable JD, not sure why those type of JD need to have weight added to get comparable pull, that could of been issues with it, just my thoughts. You could do a comparison of both & see if it’s an accurate observation, I’ve run an unweighted CIH Steiger 435 & don’t get the hop or slip, jut JD’s running by me seem to have it unless you see weights hanging everywhere on them. Hope that slip & hop doesn’t scare you away from the articulated tractors. Great video Thanks.
We have had so much trouble with this case 340 in the first 1400 hours and have had such poor dealings with the service department at the red dealership that we were ready to get away from that mess. It was the only thing on the farm that wasn’t green, so we really weren’t considering other brands. I will admit that I’ve always wanted a big red quad track though 💪
The issue with a 9360r is that you have a much larger frame tractor with the same HP so a fair comparison needs to be probably a 9410r more HP to compensate the weight
So is it worth dragging all the extra weight around if the smaller row crop tractor can handle it?
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 depends what other jobs the tractor has weight can be your friend or enemy
Bella macchina
The 8000 series are little monsters
Yes indeed they are
Really surprised it out performed the big 4wheeler 🙄
Same here! I think you could see how stunned we were 😂
I would think you would need at least 400hp. Just curious
The 370 is doing a good job
The 8370r has a little more horsepower than the the 4wdrive so it kinda showed that it could pull better
Yes but the IVT is slightly less efficient than the power shift, so it is a pretty fair fight.
Use only what you need. You've got to pay for it, and the more money you pour into a tractor, the longer it takes to pay it out. I presume the tractor you picked was less expensive than the large one.
The big four wheel drive would have cost a bit less to trade for, however they are less versatile and harder to sell. The one we were looking at was the smallest articulated four wheel drive available, which makes it far less desirable in terms of resale value. The tractor we bought has PTO and 3 point hitch so it is capable of doing everything our other big tractor can do. In a pinch we could put this one on the side dress applicator, grain cart, or even the planter if something major happened to the other one. The big 4x4 would not be able to do those things because it only has hydraulics and a drawbar.
And trying to run both tractors both having ivt for a real test
My employer just bought a 8400R to replace an older Steiger. Everyone's question was will it pull the same field cultivator and VT. Answer is it does it easy and with a much better ride and driver convenience.
They are amazing machines 💪
Hmm, i'm gobsmacked, but if your happy with it i'm happy for you.
Haha is it the change in color or the fact that the little tractor outpulled the big one?
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 They do make bigger Red tractors Carl
Get a Steiger 620 quad track and be done with it, get something bigger so it doesn’t have to work as hard
So you did get a different chisel right
Not this season. This all came together too late to get the chisel trade done before we needed to get rolling. But at least now we have a tractor that can pull it!
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 ok thanks
one thing you wanna watch with the narrower front tires is them wearing excessive.. it seems with the horsepower those front tires are to small for the tillage. we replaced ours to a 16.9 tires and dual setup and it seems to help
Good info thanks!
The JD is more tractor than the CaseIH isn't it?
Nice tractor Would like to drive it and trade in my JD lawn mover here for one that would cut my grass quicker. Any way to trade? Let me know. Winter is coming in our area as I type this. Jim
Better hurry!
How about the Case Quad Trac 580, 600, or 620hp. Welker and Larson use them and even the Millennial Farmer is trying one.
I was thinking the same thing.
@@larjomack8576 i think its the repairs they are trying to avoid. MFer is taking advantage of a free piece of iron.
@@patrickc8190 What repairs are you referring to? I realize the people mentioned who are using QuadTrakcs are being given a tractor to use for XX amount of hours. What I am more curious about is if Case-IH was ever in the picture, other than being traded off, or if John Deere was pretty much the sole choice? No problem with me either way, just curious. I do know my wife's cousin sold a few QuadTracs to John deere people when he was selling for Case-IH and I'm sure the reverse happens with some frequency also.
@@larjomack8576 they have a bad taste in their mouth from repairs they had to do with case, I know as I have gone thru with it. I wouldn't take a case if they were giving them away.
Quadtracs are also way more expensive.
Would it not be wise to consider operating the tractor at an optimum RPM vs ground speed for the specific task at hand? Perhaps to extend the life of the engine/transmission as well as optimum efficiency? That's the basic method of operating jet engines....utilizing thrust/engine speed instrumentation to optimize flight conditions.
"Nothing runs like a deere"
"chased by a magnum"
I think the magnum spent more time in the shop or parked in the yard with a service truck than it did working ground the last two years 😂
Nothing smells like a JOHN !
are you going to miss case 340 magnum???
Nope! That tractor spent almost as much time in the shop as it did in the field 😂
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 may i ask why?
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Always a good day when there's one less red tractor around. Congrats!
Exactly 😂
340 hp to 370 hp not a fair comparison, but you like JD.
NoT a FaIr CoMpArIsOn
Shut up
He never said it was fair. They wanted a BIGGER higher hp tractor for a reason they were comparing to see how much hp made a difference
We needed a bigger tractor. The contest was between the two green tractors. The red one was just there for reference.
case 380 is a better tractor or a 939 fendt
New Holland T8 ☝🏻
Wouldn’t that cause us just as many headaches as the case in terms of maintenance and repairs?
Well, it has long been a turn of a dice; you might get the same machine as your neighbour, he is happy about his and you're not. All man made so everything can malfuction...
Mainly T8 because of the optional rear tracks to help solve the slip issues, same with Claas Axion if there is a dealer around you. 🤔
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 I think either you mistreated the tractor/overworked it, or just got a bad one. Never seen anyone around my location have any spot of trouble out of the cases. The John Deere’s though, that’s another story
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Not smart enough to know all that fancy stuff but I hope you guys can get to JD with the "right-to-repair" movement. You need to be able to fix that fancy stuff yourself. One thing mentioned in passing was the radar that gave true ground speed versus wheel speed. Presumably that details wheel slippage. Any idea how it works and how much difference is there between true speed and wheel speed. I presume that your employer's tractor? How do decisions get made on the purchase of such huge capital items? Who decides the purchase needs to be made? How is the final decision on which tractor made?
The gps that we had installed is giving us ground speed now. Wheel slip is around 8-15% when pulling real hard. The decisions on things like this are made as a group. We discuss what we need and what will get the job done best, but the ultimate yes or no comes from the man that writes the checks.
Thoughts
1 The boss must need some depreciation before year end.
2 I think those articulated tractors are designed to be loaded down with additional weight.
3 That was fascinating about the engine speed when you turn at the end. How in the heck does that pick up RPM's instead of stalling when the chisels go back into the soil?
4 What causes power hop? Ive been told lower tire pressure helps that.....Im skeptical
5 When chiseling I aim for 6.5 to 7 MPH been known to go faster.
6 Does any no-till get done by you or around the neighborhood? How about cover crops?
7 Did anything get broadcast on the field before chiseling?
1. What makes you think that? We traded a 1400 hour tractor for a 2600 hour tractor. We needed more power and this was the most cost effective way to do it. We also wanted to get away from all the trouble we were having with the red tractor and the red dealership.
2. Agreed
3. When the tractor starts to get a load on it the engine speeds up and the transmission shifts down to put the power to work.
4. Actually adding pressure to your front tires can help reduce power hop. Less flex and less bounce.
5. That’s too fast around here. If you hit a rock 8 inches deep at 7.5 mph it’s not a good deal. Also, the chisel gets to bouncing if we go too fast.
6. We no till all of our beans. We also plant rye as a cover crop after our beans and then no till corn into the rye the next spring.
7. Hog manure
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 We have a couple decisions to make with depreciation in mind.
Front wheel assist...is 4 wheel
Sort of...
ILS is a fantastic must have
Yes it is!
Nice trade! Red gone John Deere green is new boss of tractors.
We are happy with it
I will take an articulated tractor over a straight frame tractor any day.
Personally a red guy myself
The sad news comes when you pull up to the fuel tank.
Yeah it burns about a gallon more than the magnum. But we were pulling the chisel about an inch and half deeper
If u added 2 ton of weights to the front of the mx you wouldn't of needed to trade it
Now that I’ve ran the John Deere for a season it would be really hard to go back. The transmission and suspension are fantastic.
If money had allowed for 4wd I would have tried atleast a 9410r if not a 9470r.
We were looking at a 9420R but it was down in Oklahoma so there wasn’t a chance to try it. We really didn’t like the ride quality in the big 4 wheel drive
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 I’m just used to it I guess. I’ve spent 90% of my lifetime tractor time in a deere 8960 and a deere 9220 with the active seat.
Its common sense.
340 and 8370.
30hp difference.
But he Deere is actually more than 30 horse bigger than the 340. They rate their hp differently. And we wanted to know how they would perform for traction.
Unfare because of weight different and hp but you can believe what you want
I don’t think I explained very well. We wanted a bigger tractor. So we were just trying to figure out what these bigger tractors could do compared to what we already had. It wasn’t supposed to be fair. The reason we went from red to green is because everything else on the farm is already green and we get great service from our John Deere dealers. There are very few case dealers nearby and the service has been pretty lackluster.
Why would you down grand to a john deere a casih 620 ifs quad is what you really need.
Well...
1. We have had more trouble with that magnum in the first 1400 hours than we have with all of our John Deere tractors combined in the last 10 years.
2. We have experienced pretty poor service from the one case case dealer that’s within a half hour drive.
3. We have three John Deere dealers within a 20 minute drive.
4. We have gotten great service from our JD dealers.
And quad afs quads are really expensive
8370 looked slower with 40 more horse.
It is a little deceiving on the video. The tires were spinning a lot more on the case so it looks faster
How could anybody swap a beautiful case for one of them green things 🤮🤮 I’m slightly biased 😂
Haha we are biased too
It comes to a point that whatever works best for your farm and is more efficient and makes you more money than it will work then. I’m personally a jd guy, but I’ll by a case or new holland if it means that I save on cost and efficiency.
@@nicholashartsock2830 agree with you 100% I was only joking because I’m a die hard case man👍👍
Nicholas Hartsock that’s why we originally got that case. We saved around $30,000 on the trade vs getting an equally sized John Deere. Over the course of the first 1,400 hours we have spent close to that amount in repairs with no help from case or the dealership that sold it to us brand new. Our John Deere tractors sometimes break down too (not nearly as often) but the dealership has to worked with John Deere on product improvement programs and has taken pretty good care of us. They rebuilt the clutch packs on a 5 year old tractor with 2,200 hours on it and John Deere picked up 85% of the bill.
@@noelcxl2037 I know, I figured I’d give you some crud😂😂
Apples vs Oranges ! Bigger tractor different transmission. There is a bunch of brands that will smoke your John with the same specs. 55 yrs. experience with farm equipment.
Yes maybe you are right but we have three John Deere dealers within a 20 minute drive and they provide excellent service. I’d hate to have another red tractor after all we went through with that magnum.
You're running a 340 horsepower tractor against a John Deere 370 horsepower tractor so what is the surprised the dear has more horsepower big deal and do they weigh the same I don't think so
That was the whole point. We already knew from running the 340 for two years that it was barely big enough to do what we wanted. We were shopping for a bigger tractor and we needed to know if the 370 John Deere was going to be big enough. We also wanted to figure out if a four-wheel-drive articulated tractor would work better.
I don't think you guys know how to tire up and balast a tractor
I’m not sure what you are referring to. If you mean the 9360R that belongs to our neighbor. And the other two tractors were set up by the dealer