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Solid State Logic UF8, UC-1, UF-1 DAW Controllers | Custom Stand & Workflow
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- In this video, I show my new workflow with my SSL DAW Controllers.
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I think it should be fairly easy for SSL to add a configurable option to make the UF8s automatically bank to follow the UC1 or UF1 for those who want that. That I think would be the best solution.
Right?! The banking should be easily solved with some updates.
Lets hope so
The Link plugin …..
Thank you for doing this uncle Dave… humble as always …
you rock🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Thanks very much!!
For now I'm gonna stick with my Softube Console MK3 and Faderport 16 .... I tried the new Icon V1-M and had to return it for another which I also returned... sure would be nice if someone came out with a control surface that had extended fader options without adding more transport controls etc.... thanks for all your videos Uncle Dave.
You're very welcome
Yeah, you’d think someone would have invented that by now.
Great vid! Thanks for sharing your setup. Love those SSL stands! There is another stand manufacturer for these SSL controllers named Mixer Mounts. I am looking at them since I am in Canada...cheers!
Cool. Thanks for watching!
There’s no better midi controller than mp midi when it’s coupled with stream deck via soundflow pro tools shortcuts you barely don’t touch the mouse or even look at the screen that often. I have shortcut on my streamdeck that opens mpmidi plugins on all my main busses vocals busses drum, music, bass , perc , background vocals etc. They all fit on one page of my stream deck with an ssl console (plugin alliance) it feels like I’m in front of a huge ssl console in a press of a button
Cool. Thanks for sharing
I’d like to see this
Rig is super clean. bravo
Thanks! 👍
This is great Dave. It’s got me thinking. First things first is a monitor arm I think 🤔
Go for it!!
Great Desk! Looks Good! 1 point of attention: background music is a bit too loud... But great that you took the time for this explanation video💯
Thanks for watching
Look amazing Dave 🙂
Thank you
That stand is amazing. Def going to check out the link. Thx so much
No problem 👍
I love your desk, I have 3 XTouch Controllers and now I'm going to add, UF1 and UC1. This will add greater flexibility!
NICE!!
You make the best videos man.
Hey, thank you so much!!
Thanks Dave for all what you do. You made me chose Studio One and From the days of your first demos of this eco system I bought them and never regret It. Heres my 2 cents about this video: I recomend keeping one of the UF-8. 1-Imagine, working on drums and moving tracks to tracks, instead of banks of 8 with direct access? 2-Features in Layers and plugin opening/closing? 3- UF-1 can follow UF8 select or be independent. I prefer independent wich benefits EX: UF-8 for chanels in banks mixing and UF-1 moving in the Bus region with SSL Meter plugin saves a lot of larges moves, when Busses are on the far right, like you do. I have been thinking for a long time about physical setup. Your's Is the best for me but just narrower for more easy access. You should try with the 3 units only. Have a great day!
Thanks for the suggestion. :)
Seems to me , that would be a perfect setup if you didn’t need to do much banking. But who only uses 16 channels these days? Thankful & grateful for your honest interpretation!😃👍🏽
My thoughts exactly
Thanks for the coverage of the SSL controllers. I have been considering the UC-1 + either UF-8 or UF-1. I am leaning toward the UF-1 for a few reasons. 1. I have limited space. 2. Cost. 3. The DAW track following issue. Having said that, I use Luna and Logic Pro so there may be better integration with the UF-8. I also thought I'd suggest that in the future, the UF-8 might get an update that resolves the issue.
The UF-1 is a great choice. I think you'll be very happy with it
I originally bought a faderport 16 then “upgraded” to the uf8,uc1, uf1 set up… I held on to the faderport and now find myself going back to it because it integrates so well with S1. Plus the footprint is so much better for a desktop set up… Adding just a Uc-1 almost makes it perfect.. I do love the Uf-1 so going to try the uf-1/uc-1 combo and see how that works… def like the smaller foot print idea. When mixing i like the fader set up but when tracking I prefer a clean desktop. Great video Dave. Look forward to watching you dive further into this topic!
Thanks for watching!
Pretty cool set up amigo.👍🏾
-Regarding the UC1 fader not following the UF8 fader, I see it as a plus because you can access 2 different tracks at once if you wanted to (for example volume, mute, solo, pan etc.) without interfering with the board (the UF8’s). Since you can also have up to 4 UF8’s connected, you may have more than one person/producer/mixer sitting at the desk at one time and having redundant access across-the-board is a plus for my workflow instead of one person controlling everything.
The SSL‘s modular design gives anyone the option to build the set up that works best for them and their needs.
FYI, my current set up is (2) UF8’s, a UF1 and a UC1 and when it comes down to just mixing and manual automating (after the production phase), I’d never give up my faders my friend…make sure you choose wisely before getting rid of the UF8’s lol😉. ✌🏾
Ok, thanks
Great video! I really wanted my UF8's and UF-1 to work for me but it was almost too much for me to configure and not enough for me in other aspects as a PT user. I ended up swamping them out for Avid S1's and it's been a way better. Yes I know they will work best with PT because thats what they were primary made for but I would have loved for the UF-1 to work at the very least that was a cool piece of gear! Who know maybe down the line I'll get one again. I will agree with what you said about having faders in front of you and whether you need them for ITB work. For me I've worked on a console enough to understand the workflow and limitations on a console. It makes sense and you can move a lot quicker in theory because you have full channel strips, sends, panning ect in the best spot it can be while tracking or mixing. But when it comes to working on a controller if I really wanted to make use of the controller I had to rethink the way I work to make it make sense. Sure there are some plugins that map out to the controller and you can set up plugins but you are still having to use the screen or mouse sometimes. It was very hard for me to let go and try my best not to use the mouse and use my $1500 controller lol I can't say that it sped up my workflow but it did make me feel more comfortable with using my ears way more and not look at my screen and have more trust. Looking forward to your next video!
Yea, if you use PT then the Avid controllers make way more sense. Thanks for watching!
I am very interested to see if the workflow is better with just UC1 and UF1. Great video showing the quirks
Yes, I like the UC-1 & UF1 workflow much better......that's just me :)
Dave, have you put an SSL channel strip on each channel and select the "Plugin Mixer" layer on the UF8 and the UF1. The Plugin Mixer layer can be set up in the 360 software. I have the exact same setup and, when setup correctly, it scrolls and banks flawlessly with my DAW (Studio One).
Thanks for the tip
Those are some amazing stands I must say.
They certainly are
I just have the UC-1 and UF-1. I don't have room on my Argosy Halo desk for a UF-8 also. Seems to work just fine.
Great, Thanks!
Dave. You are onto it. Youve nailed it. YOU NEED ONLY ONE FADER.. OR 24, 36 OR 48. Basically just the one fader. Or the exact (and maximum )number of faders, youll consistently want to use. They do look good end to end, but its more of a mind f#@k than people could believe. I have a Tascam US2400, its one unit of 24 faders plus a master fader. Using Reaper it banks 24 channels to 48 with one button push. Reaper mirrors this onscreen. While this is a lot better than what you are dealing with and describing, ultimately id prefer to have 48 faders out in front of of me! Hey Dave, keep up the great work. Love your stuff!
Yea, looks great but its not as functional as I would have liked. That's for sure
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy be cool if you get the frame made for the stripped down version! Always watch your vids. Maybe one day make a 32 fader 'console' with the Behringer units? Itd be a fun comparison!
It seems to me that SSL should be able to give you options to sync the faders. Also, a split to lock a bank of faders to the busses seems like it would be fairly simple to add to the software. Thanks for the content
Thanks for watching!
In my opinion, ditching the UF8's, and relying solely on the UF1's fader, would be a bg mistake. You'll loose the most important thing with using fader control surfaces. Being able to balance several channels (faders) simultaneously. If you rely on a single fader, you can just as well ditch the whole thing, and go back to ming with the mouse.
I'm not familiar with Studo One, Can you lock specific channels n the DAW, to faders on the control surface? Here's what I would do, if I had your setup. I would set up one of the UF8s to dynamically scroll with the selected channels n the DAW. Then I would lock the faders on the other UF8 to bus channels (drum-bus, guitar bus, vocal bus, etc.). Then you can scroll around the individual channels, and at the same time have constant access to the important mIx-buses. In MY opinion.
I believe that some of the issues that you are having might be caused by inherent problems with the MCU protocol. Once you are using SSL gear, you can try installing their 360 Link software ( believe it installs automatically with the latest version of the 360 software. Then you'll install a 360 compliant plugin on every channel. This solves some problems with syncing mixer channels with faders. Unfortunately is does not work with non-union channels, such as MIDI and VCA channels.
One thing I'd love to see you test is, if the UF8 follows the channel visibly settings in the DAW. For some reason, no-one has bothered with the important feature. Having hundreds of channels that are hidden n the DAW clogging up the control surface is very annoying.
Thanks for the suggestuons
Oh wow ! Thank you for this video. Please provide the Amazon link. Because I want one of those Liquid Stands.
Do a quick search, you'll find it
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy I meant to say, an affiliate link. Do you have one for it ?
I have 1 x UF8 with the UC1 and UF-1. The UF8 means I can record multiple tracks of automation simultaneously.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Dave. If you could only choose one way of working between your Origin 32 or totally ITB, factoring in sound quality and ergonomic flow...which would you choose and why?
On the Origin, all day every day. Not even a close comparison. Go watch and follow that channel and you'll know why. I have made several vides about the topic.
I think that in terms of controllers to work pro is as follows
1. minimum 24 faders ideally 32
2. make a static mix and then create busses summarizing the session.
3. don't do the banking 8 by 8 this will drive you crazy but 24 by 24 if you have 24 faders so that you only have 2 banks and no more
4. don't have separate controllers, the faders must be linked together
use the beatibul stand for just the faders, propably you need to buy another one, and put a nice stand just for the channel strip on the top of the desk that you can easily remove when you go to do other activities.
sell the remain controller 🙂
Not a bad suggestion.
Add (2) more 8-channel fader packs. Then, you'll have 32 channels (i.e. your analog SSL desk) with very little to no banking you'll have to do.
I dont think I have the rom for that....LOL
Nice!
Thanks for watching!
It looks great but it seems more effective and efficient to go with one of the faderports and the softube console. The only way I see that beating a faderport is looks. That presonus faderport is ugly but it works like it should especially with Studio One. I feel like the next generation of SSL with have all if that worked out. They may have their own DAW.
The fader port has most of the same issues as the UF-8. I did videos on them a couple of yers ago
Aren't you using one of the UF8s as the DAW controller in the center section of the Origin desk, or are you only using the UC1.UF1 for that purpose now?
Nope. No UF8 on my Origin. you must have not been following my channel Mixing Music Analog. The UF8 has been gone for almost a year. :)
For presonus S1, Faderport 16 and Softube MKII-III seem to be the most seamless. Those bank issues are pretty much nonexistent for me.
Cool, thanks!
How about creating a board that sits on the keyboard stand that could also accommodate your mouse and computer keyboard ,like a genesys black.
Maybe....will see
Same problem here with just the UF1. It only has one bank, after that it doesn't follow. UC-1 works perfectly indeed. In plugin mixer mode it does follow but with that you can't utilize your UF1 to the max. Such a shame and it should be more clear when people purchase these kind of controllers.
That's why I made the video! come here when you want to know the truth about a product
I have a studio live 32. Would you go this route or use the studio live if you had the choose?
Yes, I do not live the StudioLive for DAW control. Go watch my videos that I did on the SL32 last year.
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy can you put the link to the one you're talking about in this comment section?
Hmm I wonder if the Console 1 MKIII in multiple's would bank as suppose to in Studio One? They could be placed under that new stand Dave. He should start building for Console 1 by the way.
I'll let him know about your request.
I'm with you get rid of the uf8's it just make sense they work with a lot of tracks...it would confuse me
I find it easier to work with just a UC-1 & UF1
I wonder if they’ll do a SSL nucleus?
Good idea!
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy I sent them a message about it, hopefully they will. 🤞🏾
So what’s the beat you gonna sell the origin now? You might have it pegged now, bro all that outboard gear- that’s how i rock! The 8 & the 1- tall rack for my outboard. I use Ableton though. But I’m a writer. I can’t stand ProTools- Ableton is the way for me.. I have songs up same name.. I don’t think you’re too far away from me either. I’m in Palm Beach.
LOL...you could not be more incorrect.
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy which part?
Keeping the origin?
Did you sell the vm1?
No, they are being given away as part of our mixing contest
www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com/mixing-master-class-mixing-contest