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I loved the character named Daniels - A temporal agent to tell the past and future of outcomes in terms of time travel. And even the biggest starship known as Enterprise-J - A universe class starship which reassembled as the NX class, but is beefed up and larger than ever. I have seen this ship in Star Trek Online
I think the one accurate prediction we can always make about the future is that future generations will have a fashion sense that we find to be really dumb. And they'll be looking back on us and saying, "lol, I can't believe people used to wear t-shirts."
We have an explicit prediction from the Organians that Klingons become "the best of friends." So not only is it canon it isn't even strange. Just wait until (and this is when, not if) someone starts dropping hints that the Romulans join.up.
chrismc410 Exactly. I mean I know why Abrams threw the mess that was Star Trek canon out the window, since Star Trek canon is a disaster area, but we need something that moves the prime universe forward very badly There's a lot of people for whom Newtrek just feels like a massive digression/red herring because they were invested in the prime universe.
chrismc410 I was hoping to see more of the origins of the prime universe! more on the eugenics wars and world war III and the "Enterprise" era! its not being able to fill in the gaps of the prime universe history that I find disappointing! They didn't have much time to explore the founding of the Federation or the maiden voyages of various classic starfleet ships! they Encountered a Constitution class vessel in Enterprise and it was 100% authentic! its hard to let go of the prime universe! it feels like the events and milestones meant nothing.
hagamapama With that you need to do : 1) A complete revamped : a complete reset from the beginning No connection Universe crap like having Leonard Nimory as old Spock. Let it go 2) Consistency is paramount 3) a great story line and great story telling 4) have science that make sense otherwise you will make it into star wars 5) Make it human 6) Make something to connect to Earth so that views can relate to. ie have character that or Muslim , Jew or whatever. Once a while visit earth 7) introduce new concept - like TNG or TOS mirror universe 8) Look at in on another prospective IE from a Romulan 9) don't make the federation ALWAYS the good guys. See DS9 thats why that show works. Its more realistic 10) A great Character development and interaction that makes sense instead of JJ version 11) Make Federation a military exploration organisation. Not that JJ version which is a real mess 12) Not copy other show. Ie like DS9 taken from Babylon 5 or when Star Wars did the prequels Paramount decided to do Enterprise against the fans wishes to continue after Nemesis. 13) Have a action that makes sense to have, not just for the sake of it. 14) MAke it realism like what BSG and babylon 5 did. Talking about Adult issue, stop making trek that is dedicated for young children. Do what the new BGS did 15) Take Gravity the film that starred Sandra Bullock, as what Star trek could have been
Same here. Like every Star Trek-Spinoff, it stumbled a bit in the first two seasons but with the Xindi-Arc it came into its own and the 4th Season was awesomesauce all around ... except the last episode which title I won't mention.
southparkfan2717 What?! The show where a tiny science vessel magically survives things that the Enterprise E would struggle with.. Even though she's better armed, better equipped for long-term deep space assignments, oh yeah, and she has an experienced captain and crew.. Voyager had it's moments, but I agree Enterprise was a superior show.
I'm not sure I follow what your saying, other then "Enterprise was a superior show", but it sounds like you're saying Voyager was good, if that's what you're saying, I'm sorry friend, but your mistaken.
The contradiction in Trek is that if these alternate timelines can be scrutinized, it means that they exist, which also means that you never really "change" past, present or future, you simply jump from one timeline to another. For example, the original TV/movies timeline is still out there. Original Spock (and the Narada) simply moved sideways as well as backwards in time and ended up in a parallel universe. To people in the original universe, they simply vanished when they fell into the black hole. But the whole universe's past didn't change. OS just switched tracks so to speak. However, this means you aren't really "saving" anybody's hide but your own when you change the past. The sucky timeline(s) will still be out there.
Reminds me of that TNG Episode where Worf was traveling through many alternate Timelines and at the End you would even see, that there are at least 200k+ Alternate Timelines.. i found the Episode kinda fascinating..
DieHardjagged Exactly. Except that there were a lot of other episodes where changing or protecting the past was supposedly very important. Yoyager's whole finale was about that for example. But if these parallel universes are real, then Admiral Janeway didn't really save *her* Voyager (and Tuvok from his neurological illness), she merely shifted *herself* over into another timeline. To people in her original timeline, she simply flew off into a temporal rift and was never seen again. But *they* would have still remained exactly as they were.
***** Exactly when you go back in time you do not change the universe and erase the Future and create another Future you just create something totally new and totally different people make the Argument that when Nero went back in time he erased the prime universe and created the JJ Abrams universe we see in the movies and the only way we can get back to the prime universe is to restore it by preventing Nero from getting there in the first place, but these people a mistaken they are thinking of something called the Grandfather Paradox theory where you go back it time change something then in order to get back to your reality you have to restore it like when Marty Mcfly had to get the Allmanac from Biff to restore things to the way they were in Back to the Future 2 but as I said that is the Grandfather Paradox theory, the new movies are using Quantum mechanics where you go back in time and you just create something new but the timeline you left still and always will exist Remember the Episode Parallels in Star Trek TNG season 7 when Worf was Shifting to other realities Well he got to a Enterprise and it was the most Advanced one we see and that Data Explains Quantum mechanics how every second the universe Fractures into other Alternate realities every second so with that in mind we go back to Nero when he went back in time from 2387 to 2233 that point where Nero Entered fractured off and became the JJ Abrams universe so Nero did not alter Events or erased timelines he just created something completely new and completely different so the Prime universe still exists.
Daniel Bertazzon Actually, based on some of the evidence, the JJ timeline *already* existed when Nero was shifted into it, placing the point of divergence somewhere even further back in history (some claim during the Enterprise series, others during the film First Contact). This is based on the radically-different technology of the U.S.S. Kelvin, which bore no resemblance to other Starfleet tech we had seen in the original timeline. Since the Kelvin already existed when the Narada appeared in their timeline, that cannot be the point of divergence. Also, it seems likely that if Jim Kirk had been born on a starship (he's supposedly from Iowa), that point would have been mentioned before now, as it would have been a major character point in explaining why he is such an avid space explorer ("I was *born* on a starship!"). In the original timeline, Starfleet did not go "family-friendly" until the late-24th Century, long after Kirk's time. Even if his mother were a Starfleet officer, she would have probably been placed on maternity leave. After all, space travel entails plenty of hazards (e.g. radiation) that could permanently damage a fetus, and original Starfleet would likewise not adopt corrective DNA resequencing until the late-24th Century as well. So between the different technology and the different Starfleet policy, it would appear that the JJ timeline had already diverged even before Nero arrived there. The Narada and the Jellyfish merely got pulled sideways in time, and backward (by different distances) and landed in this other timeline, not unlike Worf hopping between timelines and finding them each having slightly different histories.
Indeed, I have also heard that the JJ vese diverged even before Nero got there because every point does diverse all the time cause as you said the Tech on the Kelvin was advanced too Advanced for that time period they had laser Turrets for example and also had Aliens we never saw before like that Alien Doctor or Nurse with Huge Eyes or that other Alien Dude on the Bridge with the Big Brown head so it was Different even before Nero got there. Enterprise for Example Enterprise was awesome I really liked the third season the Xindi War Arc that is what pulled me into Enterprise it Started with the Xindi prototype weapon attacking Earth Killing millions of people including Trip Tuckers Sister that made it emotional then they destroyed Duras a Klingon that was after Enterprise since season 1 and it ended with Enterprise chasing the Xindi super weapon back to earth and destroying it that was great a series packed with Action from beginning to End but Enterprise was not mentioned in TOTNG DS9 or VOY or all the movies so I think when The Enterprise E went back in time and Stopped the Borg the timeline fractured off into the Enterprise timeline even the creators said the Enterprise timeline was created from the Enterprise E going back in time and stopping the Borg.
You get to play this in STO. And now the new Star Trek. I really hope that they bring the time paradox to the movie. It will link everything and bring everything together in a fantastic way.
Exactly. Enterprise was fucking awful and the whole time travel element of it was what ruined it. That and the whole explanation of Klingons looking the way the did in TOS and not just keeping the already retconned look was just superbly asinine.
@@marcushall6821 The hell? No it isn't, that thing is a beast. Although I'd rather they do some more series before getting to the Enterprise J. They have 200 years of time to catch up to.
I would love to see a new trek. I'm not too bothered what year it is set, although I would quite like to see what happens after Picard/Janeway/Siskos time. I just want it to be set in the usual time-line, not any of the alternate time-lines. (For the most part at least) What happens to the Dominion, does Odo rule them? Are the Borg defeated or do they attack again? Those fluidic space species that attack the Borg - are they powerful enough to win? So many places you could take a future trek series. I just hope its about exploration as much as it is about combat.
Agreed...keep going forwards. Would love a series that takes place in the distant future, away from the short few centuries we have been seeing so far. We need a fresh perspective, not more prequels or "re-imagined" stories that have already been told. Get creative, writers!
shadowhunter0815 Funny thing is that the BBC was actually talking to the folks at Star Trek: Enterprise a possible crossover ep. It all took place during that time that Doctor Who was shooting it's first season and Ent was shooting season four. Not sure exactly how far along these talks were, but there was some level of communication between the production companies, of course, once Ent got canceled, there was nothing left to talk about. :: shrugs ::
Honestly, I used to like Doctor Who, but it's more fantasy than Sci-Fi, and I don't like fantasy. :/ There IS a crossover in a comic somewhere, actually.
It feels so weird to see such an important battle in Star Trek without epic music and a huge fight between fleets. You only see a few ships go by. Also, they've developed the Enterprise J and they're still using the Prometheus class?
The Enterprise E battled with much older ships, as well as the Dominion War using Kirk era ships. Starfleet is not a military power, in times of peace, one much be aware that most of its reserves are much older ships of the line. While the twenty-sixth century is a bit far-fetched, I agree... against a enemy such as the sphere builders, you would think that they would need every thing they had.
Given how long the Miranda and Oberth classes were in service, seeing a Prometheus class in the 26th Century would not be so strange considering those ships did not go into service until after the Dominion War.
dixievfd55 Plus, an older ship chasis can be retrofitted with newer technology. A very high-tech ship can still reside within the hull of an older design. A good example is the Excelsior-class ship that engages the Defiant in DS9. The hull design is a century old at that point, but the upgrades it received made it a match for one of Starfleet's most advanced warships.
dixievfd55 The k'tinga is one of the klingons most advanced and most upgradable ships that the Klingons have to offer, its definite to have large ammounts of retro-fits to meet the power of the federation
The Galaxy class space frame (IE the basic bones of the ship) was designed to have a 100 year service life... it's not terribly strange to imagine that with proper refits and care, the Prometheus class might still have uses in the field.
Enterprise had such potential. Very little of the cutesy comic-relief of TNG, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager. The dark storylines were intended to start with DS:9, but VOY was the one that got the coolest dark storylines. The problems with Enterprise: they (A) kept on violating the actual established timeline of TOS (a trend started in the movie "First Contact"), and (B) kept on turning T'Pol into an alien sex object rather than a real character.
Honestly, I think the two biggest problems with Enterprise were the *lack* of comic relief, as well as the fact that it came out in the immediate aftermath of 9/11
I think the issue is Bakula was miscast for Captain. He had too much of that Quantum leap stereotype ingrained into himself, it was really hard to get past that.
+steven franklin The Prime Timeline is fine and still exists, that's why the Starfleet Time cops don't give a damn. Though the alternative timeline time cops really should have done something for there own timeline.
+Movies For Newbies I think it depends upon how one should view the Star Trek franchise. Is it the spirit of James Bond? There, you have very different actors portraying the same role very differently from Bond himself to Miss Moneypenny and the American CIA agent Felix Leiter. First we see Bond as a veteran agent. Then we seem him re-imagined as one of the newer and promising agents. Continuity is largely shot to hell as he fights an unfamiliar and newly emerging opponent who many movies earlier he already fought and defeated. If that is the new spirit of Star Trek, then my objections should be discarded. That is what has happened in Star Trek. Now Spock and Uhura are an item. Really? Do we forget the Vulcan background of a mating ritual every seven years? That was not a trivial matter. I always thought that a sharp contrast between Spock and Kirk was the first person was largely celibate while the second was a womanizer.;Has that difference been erased? What about the backstory of Kirk rising through the ranks and emotionally scarred by the death of one of his first commanding officers? Now he just graduates from the Academy and becomes Captain of the flag ship of the Federation. First we saw Vulcan as a philosophical giant in the Federation playing a pivotal role in interstellar diplomacy. Now Vulcan has been destroyed and its survivors are described as members of a race in danger of extinction and the future of their influence has been, at best, curtailed. If one does not care about continuity, then the newest incarnation of the franchise should be judged solely on its own merits. But for someone like me, someone old enough to have watched the original series ;from its very first episode, it is as though an old friend is suffering from amnesia and has become a very different person.
You guys need to stop bashing this series it takes place before kirk's time and it's a very good show. You'd be surprised what happened in the ending of the series. Commander Riker was in it. I am not gonna give it away you need to see what really happened .
The design was based on a loose concept of being like the Galaxy Class, but instead of a town in space, it's a city in space, so it's more of the same just larger. It was also never meant to be looked at very closely, so the skin is low res. Lastly, the producers naturally wanted the ship to have the same hull for as the NX-01, for no good reason. The one thing I really like about it is how weak the connection from the pylons to warp engines appear; it implies better material knowledge.
+Major Diarriah Yes, it supposedly had parks and everything on it that you'd find in a larger city. It was supposed to be a "multi-generational" vessel, where children could be born and live their whole lives on, rather than a tour of duty X years long until their parents got assigned somewhere else.(In fact, we don't get a good "scope" of it's size here, but even ONE nacel was far larger than the whole of the Enterprise D). The designer said that the J was supposed to represent the last of the "3D" exploration of the universe. In this time period, rather than exploring the Galaxy, Starfleet was now able to jump to other galaxies and so was exploring the universe. So ships were supposed to be self contained "worlds", like moving colonies of the federation. A century after "J" was supposed to be the start of "4d" exploration; where instead of exploring the universe, they now began exploring time itself. Was some cool concepts, but anytime you bring time travel in, things get complicated really fast--still I liked that the J was the last "great" starship, because after that, due to the nature of time travel, they didn't need them that large (No need to bring families if you're not technically leaving your point in space--or even if you do, you can explore for 50 years and be back one second later.)
Did any one notice when spheres were destroyed there were no parts left. Like they went to another time line. Like going back to earth to make sure star fleet doesnt exist. But instead they stop war world 3 saving all earthlings to be far more advanced then star-fleet. Goal accomplished LOL.
It's much easier to get around the 1701-J. You follow the red stripe until you see the yellow stripe. Follow that and the Doctor's room is on the right.
+stink stinky Hospitals have colored stripes on the floor like the floor of the 1701-J. The staff give you directions by telling you what color stripe to follow.
"...If the Federation had lost, ...spread threw out the galaxy...whipped out everything..." Uh no... "We Are The Borg...Resistance is futile.." I am I right?
Isnt it be a better job for the "temporal police" we see in voyager to fix it? I mean nothing aguinst Archer, but he has nothing to do with the future.
Yes, in Voyager they already stated they have entire starships that sit out of phase and monitor the time line so they can fix it if shit happens. Cough cough so how did the roms fuck up the time line in J.J Trek..
Baseshocks I think if they ever want to make canon Trek in the Prime timeline (aka the "G1" or original timeline) those dudes are the reset button CBS or Paramount will use.
equenoxe86 I'm just really glad it's a different continuity so that when these movies are finished, we can just have more adventures in the Prime universe and just look back at the Abramsverse movies and titter.
The largest Starfleet ship is the Invincible class ship which has 60 decks. The longest ship actually shown would probably be the Varro Generational ship.
Thor God of Thunder Length alone doesn't mean it was the largest. What about height, width, crew compliment, number of decks? I will admit that it is a big ship though.
you probably did because it is all the rage to insert R2D2 into the new star trek movie, or Serenity flying over head in a Battlestar Galactica scene. They even inserted the classic Enterprise way back in the fleet scene in space in the 2003 Battlestar Galactica.
It extends 50,000 light years in ll directions and it is growing.....umm, yeah, it seemed like the Sphere Builders did in fact spread throughout the galaxy.
My only problem with this is they never considered species like the Borg or the Dominion who would probably be more than a match for the sphere builders. IF he had said they would spread across the quadrant then I wouldn't have any trouble but the Galaxy? good luck :P
If you play Star Trek Online, the Dominion said they wanted no part in fighting the Iconians/Sphere Builders. The Borg don't want to help they want to assimilate. But that's the collective. They're working on their relationship with the Borg Cooperative who are the good borg.
MultiBigJC The Cooperative led by Hugh is awesome but they are nowhere near as powerful as the regular Borg led by a Queen I like Star Trek online too bad it is not cannon
At this point we're killing so many of the Queen's Collective and whatever scraps we leave for Hugh he takes... So the queen is really loosing her strength.
I'm talking about after the final battle of the war. Every major city on cardassia was obliterated from orbit by the Jem'Hadar and they lost almost all of their ships. The Cardassian union was in such bad shape, it had to be occupied by the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans.
The show was cancelled because it was on the now defunct Paramount network. The orientation of Enterprise was that humans were still hot-headed and Vulcans were more emotional. All of the races in Enterprise were less evolved than what we saw in TOS and certainly much less evolved than the characters in TNG. The writers of Enterprise wanted to present their characters as more emotional and less evolved.
Yes. The Khitomer Accords consisted of two historic peace treaties between the Klingon Empire and the United Federation of Planets and were the first step in reconciliation between the two powers. The accords were signed at the Khitomer Conference in 2293 on the Klingon planet Khitomer. The explosion of the Klingon moon Praxis in 2293 caused severe ecological disasters on the Klingon Homeworld and an almost complete shutdown of the Klingon economy. Following these events, the Klingon chancellor Gorkon initiated peace talks with the Federation in which Captain Spock served as a special envoy to the Empire. The peace conference was first scheduled to be held on Earth, but was later relocated due to Chancellor Gorkon's assassination on his way to Earth. The new venue was Camp Khitomer, on the Klingon planet Khitomer, which was kept secret in order to prevent further assaults. Despite further actions by a Klingon/Federation/Romulan conspiracy, the Khitomer conference was a success and a turning point in Klingon-Federation relations. (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country) Curzon Dax represented the Federation in the negotiations, at which the Romulan Senator Pardek was also present. (DS9: "You Are Cordially Invited"; TNG: "Unification I") As part of the agreement, the Empire relinquished its historical claims to the Archanis sector, which is located in Federation territory on the Klingon border. (DS9: "Broken Link") In 2344, the Battle of Narendra III had a decisive influence on interstellar history. As the Klingons were betrayed by the Romulan Star Empire and witnessed the courage of the Enterprise-C, this event had the effect of finally ending Romulan-Klingon relations and solidifying Federation-Klingon relations. (TNG: "Yesterday's Enterprise")
That picture of a starship was not the Enterprise J. Doesn't make sense. They usually crank out a new ship every 10-20 years, C,D, E, etc. how can 400 years come about and they are only up to J? Doesn't make sense. You mean to tell me Enterprise F lasted 350 plus years before being retired?
Well Enterprise D served until 2371 (its destruction) after that we get the Enterprise E. F, G, H, I,....J, makes 5 Ships. Assuming all known times are correct the NX01 served until 2151 means this is around 2550. we got the Enterprise E roughly 180 Years before these events so 5 new versions in that timespan seem ok to me.
It is also a military alliance, Federation ships are built with tech from every member world. The alliance held back the Klingons, Romans, Dominan etc..
Am I the only one who thinks the Enterprise-J is an ugly ship? I mean, really. An oval saucer that's stupidly wide, a body that's so proportionally small you can't tell where it ends and the pillions begin, and two matchsticks for nacelles.
The 2003 mini series of Battlestar Galactica. The Enterprise shows up way in back in a fleet shot. Also go to google images & search this phrase: starship enterprise in battlestar galactica. Could not be more simple. :)
You know, Im getting pretty sick of the people trying to retcon the series, especially the reboots. Enterprise had plenty of good episodes. Most of Voyager was excellent. The two newest Star Trek films were critically and economically the best over all of the other films COMBINED. Look, I know the original and next generation series are favorites. I personally love TNG since I grew up with it, but calling something bad when numbers and so many other people say youre wrong is only gonna get you flak.
Numbers don't mean shit, the masses run to the theater to see any special effects and big booms, they are like Fry saying "shut up and take my money". Movies are not held to the same standard that they once were. J.J Trek is a Star Wars movie made in the Trek Universe plain and simple.
***** Yes, because copying someone's logical defense of a movie and switching the positive signs to negative is clearly going to win you an argument. Block.
Terribly poor design, 400 years from the NX doesn't make it look very good... sorry but whoever designed it, wasn't thinking... it looked like a quick PS mesh, no evolution went into it. It's not like Enterprise NCC 1701 to the E for instance, there you can see a massive change, new tech and design. Meh... so much of Enterprise the series doesn't make sense to me... and it starts with the theme music... idiots...
***** I still remember the first episode after the start i was like O.o WTF was that? Then i hoped it was something they would just use for the first episode. But no :(.
I think it was a crying shame to even develop this show after the legends of Trek TV. I think it was a terrible idea to create a Trek show that takes place BEFORE KIRK. I mean really? The entire SULIBAN (TALIBAN) thing was just so weak and so obvious. I hated it. I think with the rich eco system and history of Star Trek, the best option would have had to have been a show taking place in the future or after Voyager. I mean we've established so much between TNG, DS9 and VOY that to go forward would have given us so much more to dig into, new worlds, new characters, new fantastic adventures... but no... the writers chucked out, they didn't have it in them, they wanted to play it safe and so they went against exploring new frontiers and so on by creating something that would tamper with the sacred canon... this was my problem. Oh and the crew was pretty weak, the worst Captain, the crew didn't fit, they didn't work well together and the ship was ugly. A series on the building of the Federation on Earth would have been more interesting... but no... they really didn't make Vulcans likeable, they in fact ruined it in many ways and personally I think they messed up more things than expected in the short 4 years they were on the air. But this is my opinion, I love TREK but I skipped Enterprise, because I think it was an insult. They didn't even include Star Trek in the first season, why? It's Star Trek! Also, and finally, my favourite Trek is the Kirk movies, because I grew up with it, then including TNG, but matured in DS9. I think DS9 had the best writing and most daring episodes, I loved DS9. Voyager was pretty much USS Christianity... Find trouble and convince them all they are "doing it wrong". The human racist aspect was a bit too much, everyone had to have human standards, morals and so on. Oh and Janeway needed to get laid or something.. she practically ordered the entire ship into danger as often as possible.. Started off ok though but then... it was Nebula this Anomaly that... repetitively... just my opinion and it's not the absolute truth but it's just how I feel...
Considering just in the lifetime of Picard they built 3 enterprises, D E and F. This being J, 600 years later really seems like not a lot happened after Picard.
Federation taking over Klingons and Romulans ? Nice. :) Never thought the word federation was a hidden word for nazi. Hard to believe that Klingons would just join the federation, ruled over and help it expand whilst they have to wear Earth uniform to be part of a military. No, Klingons are not culturely retarded, Klingons are a proud race and very proud of their warrior instinct and heritage .If you think that Klingons will have to surrender their way of life like we saw Rio talking off her earing because Picard order to do so then you have no idea what trek is. More absurdity from Star Trek simply because the writers were tooooooooo damn lazy to do a proper job and even work hard, and certain fans are gullible to accept any rubbish.that Paramount craps at them -THINK Of course not every the Klingons join the Federation doesn't mean every Klingon wears a star fleet uniform.. It doesn't mean by joining that tghey will be ruled under by the fed . If the Klingons join then it will be unified one where both parties are disolved and form a unified alpah qudaunt society not that rubbish Federation that feeds on NAzium The idea that the federation are ALWAYS the good guys (with exception of DS9 which help trek btw) only promotes racism.
Yep different culture forced to be ruled under by the federation promoting freedom and respect and have . Love your stupidity. Never thought killing civilians and promoting racism is the democracy way - A show that says how "we got Uhra, , Sulu, and one more non white person on the show - we can't be racist" and shows other race as backward , violent, untrustworthy, thuggish, greedy. ( Romulan, Ferengi, Cardassian, KLingon etc etc ) Showing the feds a white mans club with a few scattered of non-whites just please the people oh we not racist . THen Star Fleet in san francisco ? when other nation have reach space Russia, India Japan, Pakistan, China , Europe etc etc... a country like the US that has promoted more mass murderers than all the country combined from ww1 and 2, STar fleet is based there , to promote peace and respect ethnicity and religion. Really ? T . Sure no country is free from faults but the US is founded by enslaving of Africans and exterminating native Americans, yet Star fleet is in US soil to show the Universe thats what we represent a voient enslaving nation ? Really ? .A organisation that respects other ALien race Culture, religion and creed from other worlds but can't even mention of Christians, Jews Hindus, Sikh ( oh yes Khan Noor Singh - a dictator that killed q quater of Earth population) or even Muslims alike I found this glaring stupidty done by writers and it is repeated more obviously by JJ and co.
. Its people like you who go and put the head in the sand. Avoid the problem at hand. Believing in such bullshit as Federation doesn't conquer a planet, then comes the Klingons who are proud race get run by some from eartrh ? And then India and China why the hell do they need someone from the US tell them what to do , why can't they have Star Fleet in New Delih Why is it central in San Fransico US I understand the TOS but TNG should have been in another country like Uganda if star trek wants to be seen as a show that shows humanity to respect people ethics and religion. Quote: "Each species (Romulan, Ferengi, Cardassian, KLingon) are extreme metaphors for some piece of humanity. The Klingons represent humanities violent tendencies, the Ferengi represent greed caused by capitalism, the Romulans and Cardassians represent imperialist greed". Avoiding the issue to make Star trek a clean show. Still promotes racism.
Captain James T. Kirk Also when I said that why STar Fleet is based in San francisco It was rhetorical question to make you think why Parmount and the writers couldn't be bothered putting Star Fleet on netual or even on a place that represent earth better.
Captain James T. Kirk this is the Internet, so you're helping to keep it working as intended! Roddenberry was not a socialist, nor does the Federation depict socialism. The primary purposes of the Federation were 1-Military Coalition against non Federation Powers, 2-Trade & Commerce, 3-Science & Technology Exchange, 4-Cultural Exchange. In fact the original introduction stated that the Enterprise's mission was related to interstellar commerce, not exploration. The Federation was his United States analog. The Romulans were the Chinese. Klingons were the Soviets. They created a cold war triangle that could be used to create cold war stories that mimicked the real world. Kirk's depiction is not as some kind of socialist either. James Kirk was modeled on Horatio Hornblower, a fictional Napoleonic Wars era Royal Navy Officer. Kirk was known for his military prowess above all else. In addition, the starships were depicted as having enough power to destroy planets, at least the Constitution class and above. Roddenberry wasn't anti-military, he was anti-war, like most of us. He was a talk softly and carry a crap load of photo torpedoes kind of guy.
Captain James T. Kirk Why is it so hard to for you understand that have Unified Earth to have Paris as its ccapital? Dumb Ass stop oneing up your comment Only you are as sad to do so. Just face it you and JJ Trek are all facist. Roll in your silly comments
Enterprise NEVER happened! About 3/4 of Voyager NEVER HAPPENED. The New Movies NEVER HAPPENED (with Chris Pine etc). Join me in the crusader to restore OUR Star Trek through a righteous fan retcon crusade!
Actually it did happen. The old Spock is evidence that it did happen, and Kirk has some of his memories, and Scotty got to reverse engineer his own invention ahead of time...so....yeah...it definitely happened, even though it's not part of the timeline any more.
Al the Bartender: "You're starting to think you're here to save the galaxy." Archer: "I'm not?" Daniels: "Who are you talking to?" Al: "Not directly." Archer: "What about indirectly?" Daniels: "Your file never mentioned mental instability!" Al: "Who knows what Don Quixote can accomplish?" Daniels: "Maybe you're not up to this, Captain."
The Federation doesn't truly mothball ships, they keep a reserve of capable ships in classes that aren't politically friendly, and have shipyards in reserve for emergency. The first time such extreme measures as mass battleship production and dreadnought fielding happened is during the Dominion Wars and the brief Borg Encounters saw the few warships kept active as flagships fielded, and mostly destroyed.
It's possible, as that would answer some of the cardassian looking interiors of the E-J. It's interior looks like a merge of pretty much everyone's technology.
true, in modern-day militaries, ships/planes are in service for 40 years minimum, the B52 for example has been around over 60 years now with constant re-fitting and upgrades. we have also seen that the Federation doesnt really do battleships on a mass production scale either, so maybe the Prometheus's were maintained and updated just in case of war. We have seen the Federation dig into their moth-balled fleets in times of emergency, and it would make sense to bring out the battleships right?
I guess Archer took a few...Quantum Leaps
(Insert comedic drum roll here)
SpeedyEric1 *ba da, dum-tiss*
Too bad they didn't have EMHs back in those days. It would have made for a good Dean Stockwell cameo.
Dean Stockwell DID appear on Enterprise.
Foebane72 he did?
We dont serve time travellers here!
A time traveler walks into a bar,
Ha ha, that's simple but brilliant. I am going to tell this joke to anybody who understands science fiction.
dont worry you will understand it 10 years ago
It's bigger on the inside...
Dats what I keep tellin my girlfriend !~lol
Delluminati ASK DONALD T-RUMP !~lol
The Vulcan Science Division has determined time travel is impossible.
"Science Vulcan Directorate has determined that time travel is... not fair..."
Vulcans, when we are obviously not right, but want to be, we get all stubborn and pouty like little children.
Well the vulcan science division... is wrong.
Wow. Someone should have told them there is no such thing as "time" in the first place.
The Vulcan Science Division has determined that time travel is...not fair
I loved the character named Daniels - A temporal agent to tell the past and future of outcomes in terms of time travel.
And even the biggest starship known as Enterprise-J - A universe class starship which reassembled as the NX class, but is beefed up and larger than ever.
I have seen this ship in Star Trek Online
Did you find out where he ends up in the future?
Who knew our characters on STO were at the Battle of Procyon V, the battle Archer was just watching
Really? All I've been doing is handling Borg and Tholian attacks. I haven't been on a mission for a long time, I'm not even up to date ^^"
Except that Daniels lists Klingons as members of the Federation. Whoops.
the worst STF of all time
Vanguard Detonados the story episode Ragnarok is pretty damn epic.
Hmm, I do captain a Prometheus-class ship.
What's funny
In Star Trek Online, you partake in the Battle of Procyon V.
Yup. I like to imagine that the Prometheus that goes right in front of the bow of the Enterprise is my ship the USS Sitting Bull
@@klein2042 as soon as I saw the nova class I said hey that's me.
really ??? I just got a galaxy class ship when does that happen ?
@@ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010 It's one of the Temporal War episodes you play in.
Am I the only one thinking that Daniels' uniform looks like someone decided to made clothing out of Twizzlers?
Jon Locke *Licorice
or weatherproofing strips.
It looks a bit like Section 31 uniforms
I think the one accurate prediction we can always make about the future is that future generations will have a fashion sense that we find to be really dumb.
And they'll be looking back on us and saying, "lol, I can't believe people used to wear t-shirts."
maybe he is borg?
So.. Klingons eventually join the federation.. Cool
We have an explicit prediction from the Organians that Klingons become "the best of friends." So not only is it canon it isn't even strange.
Just wait until (and this is when, not if) someone starts dropping hints that the Romulans join.up.
They want forward. Just not JJ Abram's forward. They want the Prime Universe back at the fore and the established timeline back.
chrismc410 Exactly. I mean I know why Abrams threw the mess that was Star Trek canon out the window, since Star Trek canon is a disaster area, but we need something that moves the prime universe forward very badly There's a lot of people for whom Newtrek just feels like a massive digression/red herring because they were invested in the prime universe.
chrismc410 I was hoping to see more of the origins of the prime universe! more on the eugenics wars and world war III and the "Enterprise" era! its not being able to fill in the gaps of the prime universe history that I find disappointing! They didn't have much time to explore the founding of the Federation or the maiden voyages of various classic starfleet ships! they Encountered a Constitution class vessel in Enterprise and it was 100% authentic! its hard to let go of the prime universe! it feels like the events and milestones meant nothing.
hagamapama With that you need to do :
1) A complete revamped : a complete reset from the beginning No connection Universe crap like having Leonard Nimory as old Spock. Let it go
2) Consistency is paramount
3) a great story line and great story telling
4) have science that make sense otherwise you will make it into star wars
5) Make it human
6) Make something to connect to Earth so that views can relate to. ie have character that or Muslim , Jew or whatever. Once a while visit earth
7) introduce new concept - like TNG or TOS mirror universe
8) Look at in on another prospective IE from a Romulan
9) don't make the federation ALWAYS the good guys. See DS9 thats why that show works. Its more realistic
10) A great Character development and interaction that makes sense instead of JJ version
11) Make Federation a military exploration organisation. Not that JJ version which is a real mess
12) Not copy other show. Ie like DS9 taken from Babylon 5 or when Star Wars did the prequels Paramount decided to do Enterprise against the fans wishes to continue after Nemesis.
13) Have a action that makes sense to have, not just for the sake of it.
14) MAke it realism like what BSG and babylon 5 did. Talking about Adult issue, stop making trek that is dedicated for young children. Do what the new BGS did
15) Take Gravity the film that starred Sandra Bullock, as what Star trek could have been
I love Enterprise so much! I really wish people would give it the respect that it deserves so much!
Same here. Like every Star Trek-Spinoff, it stumbled a bit in the first two seasons but with the Xindi-Arc it came into its own and the 4th Season was awesomesauce all around ... except the last episode which title I won't mention.
Agreed, especially when to many people give the god awful show Voyager praise.
southparkfan2717
What?! The show where a tiny science vessel magically survives things that the Enterprise E would struggle with.. Even though she's better armed, better equipped for long-term deep space assignments, oh yeah, and she has an experienced captain and crew.. Voyager had it's moments, but I agree Enterprise was a superior show.
I'm not sure I follow what your saying, other then "Enterprise was a superior show", but it sounds like you're saying Voyager was good, if that's what you're saying, I'm sorry friend, but your mistaken.
southparkfan2717 I guess I should've tagged the first bit with *Sarcasm on, Sarcasm off.*
I love how you can see the Dauntless
And we now know why Dauntless class ships were there, and Prometheus, and Novas, and Vor'chas...
That was us...
That means that half of them are retarded and can't close portals within 15 minutes :^)
This is the 26th century. By then the dauntless design had been copied and became an actual federation ship
Did you see the defiant behind her
Nice to see the Prometheus class is still around two centuries after it was introduced
Bakula did a fantastic job as Archer
The contradiction in Trek is that if these alternate timelines can be scrutinized, it means that they exist, which also means that you never really "change" past, present or future, you simply jump from one timeline to another. For example, the original TV/movies timeline is still out there. Original Spock (and the Narada) simply moved sideways as well as backwards in time and ended up in a parallel universe. To people in the original universe, they simply vanished when they fell into the black hole. But the whole universe's past didn't change. OS just switched tracks so to speak. However, this means you aren't really "saving" anybody's hide but your own when you change the past. The sucky timeline(s) will still be out there.
Reminds me of that TNG Episode where Worf was traveling through many alternate Timelines and at the End you would even see, that there are at least 200k+ Alternate Timelines.. i found the Episode kinda fascinating..
DieHardjagged
Exactly. Except that there were a lot of other episodes where changing or protecting the past was supposedly very important. Yoyager's whole finale was about that for example. But if these parallel universes are real, then Admiral Janeway didn't really save *her* Voyager (and Tuvok from his neurological illness), she merely shifted *herself* over into another timeline. To people in her original timeline, she simply flew off into a temporal rift and was never seen again. But *they* would have still remained exactly as they were.
***** Exactly when you go back in time you do not change the universe and erase the Future and create another Future you just create something totally new and totally different people make the Argument that when Nero went back in time he erased the prime universe and created the JJ Abrams universe we see in the movies and the only way we can get back to the prime universe is to restore it by preventing Nero from getting there in the first place, but these people a mistaken they are thinking of something called the Grandfather Paradox theory where you go back it time change something then in order to get back to your reality you have to restore it like when Marty Mcfly had to get the Allmanac from Biff to restore things to the way they were in Back to the Future 2 but as I said that is the Grandfather Paradox theory, the new movies are using Quantum mechanics where you go back in time and you just create something new but the timeline you left still and always will exist Remember the Episode Parallels in Star Trek TNG season 7 when Worf was Shifting to other realities Well he got to a Enterprise and it was the most Advanced one we see and that Data Explains Quantum mechanics how every second the universe Fractures into other Alternate realities every second so with that in mind we go back to Nero when he went back in time from 2387 to 2233 that point where Nero Entered fractured off and became the JJ Abrams universe so Nero did not alter Events or erased timelines he just created something completely new and completely different so the Prime universe still exists.
Daniel Bertazzon
Actually, based on some of the evidence, the JJ timeline *already* existed when Nero was shifted into it, placing the point of divergence somewhere even further back in history (some claim during the Enterprise series, others during the film First Contact). This is based on the radically-different technology of the U.S.S. Kelvin, which bore no resemblance to other Starfleet tech we had seen in the original timeline. Since the Kelvin already existed when the Narada appeared in their timeline, that cannot be the point of divergence.
Also, it seems likely that if Jim Kirk had been born on a starship (he's supposedly from Iowa), that point would have been mentioned before now, as it would have been a major character point in explaining why he is such an avid space explorer ("I was *born* on a starship!").
In the original timeline, Starfleet did not go "family-friendly" until the late-24th Century, long after Kirk's time. Even if his mother were a Starfleet officer, she would have probably been placed on maternity leave. After all, space travel entails plenty of hazards (e.g. radiation) that could permanently damage a fetus, and original Starfleet would likewise not adopt corrective DNA resequencing until the late-24th Century as well.
So between the different technology and the different Starfleet policy, it would appear that the JJ timeline had already diverged even before Nero arrived there. The Narada and the Jellyfish merely got pulled sideways in time, and backward (by different distances) and landed in this other timeline, not unlike Worf hopping between timelines and finding them each having slightly different histories.
Indeed, I have also heard that the JJ vese diverged even before Nero got there because every point does diverse all the time cause as you said the Tech on the Kelvin was advanced too Advanced for that time period they had laser Turrets for example and also had Aliens we never saw before like that Alien Doctor or Nurse with Huge Eyes or that other Alien Dude on the Bridge with the Big Brown head so it was Different even before Nero got there. Enterprise for Example Enterprise was awesome I really liked the third season the Xindi War Arc that is what pulled me into Enterprise it Started with the Xindi prototype weapon attacking Earth Killing millions of people including Trip Tuckers Sister that made it emotional then they destroyed Duras a Klingon that was after Enterprise since season 1 and it ended with Enterprise chasing the Xindi super weapon back to earth and destroying it that was great a series packed with Action from beginning to End but Enterprise was not mentioned in TOTNG DS9 or VOY or all the movies so I think when The Enterprise E went back in time and Stopped the Borg the timeline fractured off into the Enterprise timeline even the creators said the Enterprise timeline was created from the Enterprise E going back in time and stopping the Borg.
You get to play this in STO.
And now the new Star Trek. I really hope that they bring the time paradox to the movie. It will link everything and bring everything together in a fantastic way.
No, just no, thank gawd they did not!
Exactly. Enterprise was fucking awful and the whole time travel element of it was what ruined it. That and the whole explanation of Klingons looking the way the did in TOS and not just keeping the already retconned look was just superbly asinine.
The best thing about this entire series was finding out that the hot Orion slave girls.....were in fact ....NOT slaves at all!
+Bill Kennedy
Really?
Pretty much. The rest of it was a snore fest.
Bill Kennedy
What episode was that in?
I can't think
Those chicks they got plays those Orion slave were hot I can see why Archer and Kirk wanted a piece of green pussy
Enterprise J seems like the perfect choice for the new series.
+equenoxe86 wait what, there is a new one comming?
Hell ya
Enterprise J? Hell no that thing is garbage straight up trash doo doo boo boo horrible and ungodly awful. It's just terrible.
@@marcushall6821 The hell? No it isn't, that thing is a beast. Although I'd rather they do some more series before getting to the Enterprise J. They have 200 years of time to catch up to.
@@marcushall6821 i agree 100% that is the most butt ugly contraption to ever disgrace a ST screen.
loved the 'j' before all these hipters came in! Long Live the J, the first and largest complete universe class battleship!
I would love to see a new trek. I'm not too bothered what year it is set, although I would quite like to see what happens after Picard/Janeway/Siskos time.
I just want it to be set in the usual time-line, not any of the alternate time-lines. (For the most part at least)
What happens to the Dominion, does Odo rule them? Are the Borg defeated or do they attack again? Those fluidic space species that attack the Borg - are they powerful enough to win? So many places you could take a future trek series. I just hope its about exploration as much as it is about combat.
UKFreedomFighters what if the Borg assimilate a changeling? Would they be able to shape shift?
Well we are getting a trek show that takes plays after nemisis so you got your wish
Agreed...keep going forwards. Would love a series that takes place in the distant future, away from the short few centuries we have been seeing so far. We need a fresh perspective, not more prequels or "re-imagined" stories that have already been told. Get creative, writers!
Picard is slowly touching on a lot of subjects you mentioned
THis question gets anwered today in 2023 ;D
You know what would have been funny?
A blue policephonebox just casually flying bye that window.
Lol
shadowhunter0815
Funny thing is that the BBC was actually talking to the folks at Star Trek: Enterprise a possible crossover ep. It all took place during that time that Doctor Who was shooting it's first season and Ent was shooting season four. Not sure exactly how far along these talks were, but there was some level of communication between the production companies, of course, once Ent got canceled, there was nothing left to talk about. :: shrugs ::
+shadowhunter0815 REFERENCES
ThePersonWhoPlaysGames
Honestly, I used to like Doctor Who, but it's more fantasy than Sci-Fi, and I don't like fantasy. :/
There IS a crossover in a comic somewhere, actually.
Would have liked to see more of enterprise j
Am I the only one here who likes the Enterprise-J?
it looks like a FUCKING pancake. How can you like that?
WackyTraveler I lost it when I read this. But the "pancake" saucer is pretty much the same shape of the enterprise-d. Maybe that's why I like it
yes
vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/f/fd/20160711143521_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160715223751 The STO model it got is pretty cool :3
No, I like Enterprise-J too
Like that lowkey comment that the Klingons eventually join the federation
+John Smith Well the Klingons didn't have the rep yet of being the major dickheads that Kirk knew, so he knew it wouldn't matter much to Archer.
Too soon man, I finished midnight for the first time yesterday, what a roller coaster.
after the dominon wars the alliance was made
In Star trek online the 28th century federation ambassador is a klingon
And that humans barely rated a mention...
so this is happening at around the same time as the STO mission Ragnarok. Nice.
It feels so weird to see such an important battle in Star Trek without epic music and a huge fight between fleets. You only see a few ships go by. Also, they've developed the Enterprise J and they're still using the Prometheus class?
The Enterprise E battled with much older ships, as well as the Dominion War using Kirk era ships. Starfleet is not a military power, in times of peace, one much be aware that most of its reserves are much older ships of the line. While the twenty-sixth century is a bit far-fetched, I agree... against a enemy such as the sphere builders, you would think that they would need every thing they had.
Given how long the Miranda and Oberth classes were in service, seeing a Prometheus class in the 26th Century would not be so strange considering those ships did not go into service until after the Dominion War.
dixievfd55 Plus, an older ship chasis can be retrofitted with newer technology. A very high-tech ship can still reside within the hull of an older design. A good example is the Excelsior-class ship that engages the Defiant in DS9. The hull design is a century old at that point, but the upgrades it received made it a match for one of Starfleet's most advanced warships.
Eric Dugdale There is also the even older K'tinga class cruiser the Klingons kept upgrading.
dixievfd55 The k'tinga is one of the klingons most advanced and most upgradable ships that the Klingons have to offer, its definite to have large ammounts of retro-fits to meet the power of the federation
The Galaxy class space frame (IE the basic bones of the ship) was designed to have a 100 year service life... it's not terribly strange to imagine that with proper refits and care, the Prometheus class might still have uses in the field.
love the uniforms from the planet dune
pulsar94605 Arrakis
I was thinking the same thing
Which..... Patrick Stewart was in....... exclamation point.
Enterprise had such potential. Very little of the cutesy comic-relief of TNG, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager. The dark storylines were intended to start with DS:9, but VOY was the one that got the coolest dark storylines. The problems with Enterprise: they (A) kept on violating the actual established timeline of TOS (a trend started in the movie "First Contact"), and (B) kept on turning T'Pol into an alien sex object rather than a real character.
+steelcaress Amen!!
Honestly, I think the two biggest problems with Enterprise were the *lack* of comic relief, as well as the fact that it came out in the immediate aftermath of 9/11
I think the issue is Bakula was miscast for Captain. He had too much of that Quantum leap stereotype ingrained into himself, it was really hard to get past that.
Too bad Enterprise J couldn't have stopped the destruction of Vulcan and restore the prime timeline.
+steven franklin , was wondering where they were. lol
+steven franklin The Prime Timeline is fine and still exists, that's why the Starfleet Time cops don't give a damn.
Though the alternative timeline time cops really should have done something for there own timeline.
+Movies For Newbies I think it depends upon how one should view the Star Trek franchise. Is it the spirit of James Bond? There, you have very different actors portraying the same role very differently from Bond himself to Miss Moneypenny and the American CIA agent Felix Leiter. First we see Bond as a veteran agent. Then we seem him re-imagined as one of the newer and promising agents. Continuity is largely shot to hell as he fights an unfamiliar and newly emerging opponent who many movies earlier he already fought and defeated. If that is the new spirit of Star Trek, then my objections should be discarded. That is what has happened in Star Trek. Now Spock and Uhura are an item. Really? Do we forget the Vulcan background of a mating ritual every seven years? That was not a trivial matter. I always thought that a sharp contrast between Spock and Kirk was the first person was largely celibate while the second was a womanizer.;Has that difference been erased? What about the backstory of Kirk rising through the ranks and emotionally scarred by the death of one of his first commanding officers? Now he just graduates from the Academy and becomes Captain of the flag ship of the Federation. First we saw Vulcan as a philosophical giant in the Federation playing a pivotal role in interstellar diplomacy. Now Vulcan has been destroyed and its survivors are described as members of a race in danger of extinction and the future of their influence has been, at best, curtailed. If one does not care about continuity, then the newest incarnation of the franchise should be judged solely on its own merits. But for someone like me, someone old enough to have watched the original series ;from its very first episode, it is as though an old friend is suffering from amnesia and has become a very different person.
+steven franklin Beautifully stated, I couldn't agree more. Waste of money, both of these reboot films..
+Movies For Newbies But does "3" look anymore promising than ST:Into Darkness?
I`ve always wanted a standalone series based on that war of 26-th century
Ever play Star Trek Online?
Barrel Rider correct me if im wrong but is STO legitimate canon?
Matthew Henery I'm not 100% sure. It would still make an awesome series though
@@promethian0.063 I know I'm responding to a year old comment but yes, STO is Canon to a certain point
STO is nothing for me, be it labelled as canon or not
You guys need to stop bashing this series it takes place before kirk's time and it's a very good show. You'd be surprised what happened in the ending of the series. Commander Riker was in it. I am not gonna give it away you need to see what really happened .
Had an ad with Patrick Stewart before this. So Awesome
This is way better than discovery.
The Enterprise J is awesome
Enterprise j is my favorite star ship,i got to see it 2 years ago as well as the,NCC 1701F,G,J& (Z)
50k lightyears in all directions is pretty much the entire galaxy.
dominion ?? are they around?
It does seem a bit far as that probably includes most of all the quadrants at that point.
damn, the jemHdar part of the federation too lmfaooo , or maybe the changlings are lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
yes but it would still be just 0.00000000001% of the entire visable universe.
But it would be our entire galaxy.
Actually it looks a lot like the Cardassian interiors from DS9. Almost wonder if they dragged stuff out of storage in order to build this one-use set.
The thing is, he'd asked Daniels those questions earlier, and Daniels refused to divulge the answers for fear of contaminating the timeline.
The proper line before the fade at 0:30 should have been "Oh boy."
So if it extends 50.000 Ly that means it has a diameter of 100.000ly, which is almost the entire milky way ...
Yeah your right!
Feel old?
Would it make the sphere builders come in contact with the Borg and other powerful species?
Kind of like the Great Nothing from Neverending Story.
One of my favourite classes.
In 400 years time, we wear uncomfortably hot and restrictive rubber tyre suits, and our spaceships are empty, and have an evil desktop aesthetic.
The design was based on a loose concept of being like the Galaxy Class, but instead of a town in space, it's a city in space, so it's more of the same just larger. It was also never meant to be looked at very closely, so the skin is low res. Lastly, the producers naturally wanted the ship to have the same hull for as the NX-01, for no good reason. The one thing I really like about it is how weak the connection from the pylons to warp engines appear; it implies better material knowledge.
+Major Diarriah
Yes, it supposedly had parks and everything on it that you'd find in a larger city. It was supposed to be a "multi-generational" vessel, where children could be born and live their whole lives on, rather than a tour of duty X years long until their parents got assigned somewhere else.(In fact, we don't get a good "scope" of it's size here, but even ONE nacel was far larger than the whole of the Enterprise D).
The designer said that the J was supposed to represent the last of the "3D" exploration of the universe. In this time period, rather than exploring the Galaxy, Starfleet was now able to jump to other galaxies and so was exploring the universe. So ships were supposed to be self contained "worlds", like moving colonies of the federation.
A century after "J" was supposed to be the start of "4d" exploration; where instead of exploring the universe, they now began exploring time itself. Was some cool concepts, but anytime you bring time travel in, things get complicated really fast--still I liked that the J was the last "great" starship, because after that, due to the nature of time travel, they didn't need them that large (No need to bring families if you're not technically leaving your point in space--or even if you do, you can explore for 50 years and be back one second later.)
An Oversized and a beefed up version of the NX class
Or it could imply that they are folding subspace.
Star Trek Onlines Story doesn't seem to be very far off the Canon Railway. I actually like it.
Would love to see a show about the Enterprise J, a Star Trek show set 400 years in the future sounds very appealing.
As Data once said: "Ba doom boom!"
Did any one notice when spheres were destroyed there were no parts left. Like they went to another time line. Like going back to earth to make sure star fleet doesnt exist. But instead they stop war world 3 saving all earthlings to be far more advanced then star-fleet. Goal accomplished LOL.
It's much easier to get around the 1701-J. You follow the red stripe until you see the yellow stripe. Follow that and the Doctor's room is on the right.
+stink stinky Hospitals have colored stripes on the floor like the floor of the 1701-J. The staff give you directions by telling you what color stripe to follow.
Daniels rubber band outfit is very distracting
I like to think that that is just a special suit that changes to look like his other clothes
feel like they should have somehow gotten the original enterprise to meet up with the enterprise d with Picard bc that would be amazing
Did I see a Prometheus class zooming by a couple times?
The captain of the Enterprise J is named Captain Parcher Kirkard.
"...If the Federation had lost, ...spread threw out the galaxy...whipped out everything..."
Uh no...
"We Are The Borg...Resistance is futile.."
I am I right?
In STO you find out that this isn't the first universe that the sphere builders tried it on. They accindaty destroyed the others...
THROUGHOUT AND WIPED, NITWIT. NO YOU'RE WRONG
The fridge logic issues I have with this scene would require the melting of every item in said fridge to explain.
Imádom ezt a sorozatot!
Isnt it be a better job for the "temporal police" we see in voyager to fix it?
I mean nothing aguinst Archer, but he has nothing to do with the future.
Unfortunately, the show isn't about the time police, it's about Archer. Sigh :(
Yes, in Voyager they already stated they have entire starships that sit out of phase and monitor the time line so they can fix it if shit happens. Cough cough so how did the roms fuck up the time line in J.J Trek..
Baseshocks I think if they ever want to make canon Trek in the Prime timeline (aka the "G1" or original timeline) those dudes are the reset button CBS or Paramount will use.
equenoxe86 I'm just really glad it's a different continuity so that when these movies are finished, we can just have more adventures in the Prime universe and just look back at the Abramsverse movies and titter.
Is the Enterprise J the largest starship in the Trek Universe? The ship in The Next Generation has 42 decks I believe.
The largest Starfleet ship is the Invincible class ship which has 60 decks. The longest ship actually shown would probably be the Varro Generational ship.
Enterprise J, is over 2 kilometres long
Thor God of Thunder Length alone doesn't mean it was the largest. What about height, width, crew compliment, number of decks? I will admit that it is a big ship though.
Actually the Enterprise J is just under 2 miles long
Kelly Rose Just over 2 kilomitres is roughly the same as just under 2 miles.
Depends on weather or not they are in the same time period. A "Voyager" era cube against "Big-J" means a quick death for the Borg cube.
you probably did because it is all the rage to insert R2D2 into the new star trek movie, or Serenity flying over head in a Battlestar Galactica scene. They even inserted the classic Enterprise way back in the fleet scene in space in the 2003 Battlestar Galactica.
It extends 50,000 light years in ll directions and it is growing.....umm, yeah, it seemed like the Sphere Builders did in fact spread throughout the galaxy.
only halfway throughout the galaxy. The Milky Way galaxy is 100,000-120,000 light years across.
www.astrodigital.org/astronomy/milkywaygalaxy.html
John Doe that 50,000 light years would enough to destroy the life in the galaxy.
Anyone else notice the Dauntless fly by the window at 1:07?
Prometheus at 0:23
YES!
Damn.. i never noticed the Dauntless and the other Ships at first..
Noel Ruppenthal gotta love that dauntless design
Well not exactly what I was remembering but well done never the less. What I saw was just a clip from the show with a Leap effect added at the end.
if you look closely at the window at 1:08 you can see a dauntless class which was never even a fed vessel but still a cool little Easter egg
discount Benedict Cumberbatch
My only problem with this is they never considered species like the Borg or the Dominion who would probably be more than a match for the sphere builders. IF he had said they would spread across the quadrant then I wouldn't have any trouble but the Galaxy? good luck :P
If you play Star Trek Online, the Dominion said they wanted no part in fighting the Iconians/Sphere Builders. The Borg don't want to help they want to assimilate. But that's the collective. They're working on their relationship with the Borg Cooperative who are the good borg.
MultiBigJC The Cooperative led by Hugh is awesome but they are nowhere near as powerful as the regular Borg led by a Queen I like Star Trek online too bad it is not cannon
At this point we're killing so many of the Queen's Collective and whatever scraps we leave for Hugh he takes... So the queen is really loosing her strength.
I'm talking about after the final battle of the war. Every major city on cardassia was obliterated from orbit by the Jem'Hadar and they lost almost all of their ships. The Cardassian union was in such bad shape, it had to be occupied by the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans.
At least they found a use for the hundreds of years of old tires collected on Earth. They made them into the future uniforms.
Why does Archer always seem angry?
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How was Enterprise your favorite ST show if you thought the lead character was an ass?
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The show was cancelled because it was on the now defunct Paramount network. The orientation of Enterprise was that humans were still hot-headed and Vulcans were more emotional. All of the races in Enterprise were less evolved than what we saw in TOS and certainly much less evolved than the characters in TNG. The writers of Enterprise wanted to present their characters as more emotional and less evolved.
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Daniels sends Archer to a future where Discovery never happened and Star Trek continuity isn't ignored.
You would think that the Sphere Builders would have attracted the Borg's attention.
Why do you think they switched to sphere's themselves?
1 main time line
+ 12 time lines up over main time line
+12 time lines down under main time line
*sigh* Do I have to wear that stupid looking,uncomfortable outfit to be on Enterprise J???
Apparently!
what the hell kind of starfleet uniform is that
+Jonathan Roberson Daniels is from the 31st century. And the uniform that he's wearing is called a Temporal Jumpsuit
+Jonathan Roberson The Federation was taken over by the Arrakis Fremen.
+Jonathan Roberson Kind of funny if you might ask an ancient Roman soldier what he'd think of modern military uniforms of today.
+rkmugen not enough feather
+Delluminati
And too many pants
It's 400 years in the future, a big mac now costs $150,000.
Daniels uniform looks Borg in origin
Wait what Klingons? They formally join the Federation at some point?
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Ehh. I'd complain but the Organians hinted at it waaaay back in TOS.
Yes.
The Khitomer Accords consisted of two historic peace treaties between the Klingon Empire and the United Federation of Planets and were the first step in reconciliation between the two powers. The accords were signed at the Khitomer Conference in 2293 on the Klingon planet Khitomer.
The explosion of the Klingon moon Praxis in 2293 caused severe ecological disasters on the Klingon Homeworld and an almost complete shutdown of the Klingon economy. Following these events, the Klingon chancellor Gorkon initiated peace talks with the Federation in which Captain Spock served as a special envoy to the Empire. The peace conference was first scheduled to be held on Earth, but was later relocated due to Chancellor Gorkon's assassination on his way to Earth. The new venue was Camp Khitomer, on the Klingon planet Khitomer, which was kept secret in order to prevent further assaults. Despite further actions by a Klingon/Federation/Romulan conspiracy, the Khitomer conference was a success and a turning point in Klingon-Federation relations. (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country)
Curzon Dax represented the Federation in the negotiations, at which the Romulan Senator Pardek was also present. (DS9: "You Are Cordially Invited"; TNG: "Unification I")
As part of the agreement, the Empire relinquished its historical claims to the Archanis sector, which is located in Federation territory on the Klingon border. (DS9: "Broken Link")
In 2344, the Battle of Narendra III had a decisive influence on interstellar history. As the Klingons were betrayed by the Romulan Star Empire and witnessed the courage of the Enterprise-C, this event had the effect of finally ending Romulan-Klingon relations and solidifying Federation-Klingon relations. (TNG: "Yesterday's Enterprise")
Shiirow Lol, almost as good as the Mass Effect "backstory." ;-)
Shiirow They were never a part of the Federation though. Simply allies.
Right. The implication here is that the Klingons eventually join up.
TheClassiestFox
The episodes never got up the 10th Enterprise (J), so there might still be developments between F and J
please star trek, never ever do time travel bs again lol
time travel is awesome tho! loved the USS relativity.
and the captain of the enterprise j for that particular battle was captain checkov....brought from the past to the future to help
The Dauntless? Yup. And could have sworn I caught sight of a Prometheus and a Sabre class in there as well.
Wait did he say that Klingons joined the Federation?
***** one day, when to battle Species 8427, the Undine. Also during the Iconian War . . . i hope it is canon tho
+Gerick Glockner STO is not canon
Matthew Scarisbags damn it
@@personplaygame6310 it is now...I'm from the future. They are even making star trek picard tie in to STO.
@@personplaygame6310 It is now part owned by CBS so it is now officially Canon.
That picture of a starship was not the Enterprise J. Doesn't make sense. They usually crank out a new ship every 10-20 years, C,D, E, etc. how can 400 years come about and they are only up to J? Doesn't make sense. You mean to tell me Enterprise F lasted 350 plus years before being retired?
Well Enterprise D served until 2371 (its destruction) after that we get the Enterprise E. F, G, H, I,....J, makes 5 Ships. Assuming all known times are correct the NX01 served until 2151 means this is around 2550. we got the Enterprise E roughly 180 Years before these events so 5 new versions in that timespan seem ok to me.
Well between A-D was just under 100 years. So it's possible, some can last longer than others.
Only if they refrain from blowing them up every time when a movie comes out :p
LeWille00 My thoughts exactly.
Whoever said the order of the alphagam never changes?
I Like it this Show my friends. Was Coolest. Thanks.
It is also a military alliance, Federation ships are built with tech from every member world. The alliance held back the Klingons, Romans, Dominan etc..
Am I the only one who thinks the Enterprise-J is an ugly ship? I mean, really. An oval saucer that's stupidly wide, a body that's so proportionally small you can't tell where it ends and the pillions begin, and two matchsticks for nacelles.
I wish people would stop using that nasty "J" model image...
The NCC-1701-J i designed when i was a kid was cooler. :p
The 2003 mini series of Battlestar Galactica. The Enterprise shows up way in back in a fleet shot. Also go to google images & search this phrase: starship enterprise in battlestar galactica. Could not be more simple. :)
I can't wait for the new Enterprise
You know, Im getting pretty sick of the people trying to retcon the series, especially the reboots. Enterprise had plenty of good episodes. Most of Voyager was excellent. The two newest Star Trek films were critically and economically the best over all of the other films COMBINED.
Look, I know the original and next generation series are favorites. I personally love TNG since I grew up with it, but calling something bad when numbers and so many other people say youre wrong is only gonna get you flak.
Numbers don't mean shit, the masses run to the theater to see any special effects and big booms, they are like Fry saying "shut up and take my money". Movies are not held to the same standard that they once were. J.J Trek is a Star Wars movie made in the Trek Universe plain and simple.
Baseshocks Did I mention CRITICALLY best? That means qualitative, not quantitative you dumb shit.
***** Yes, because copying someone's logical defense of a movie and switching the positive signs to negative is clearly going to win you an argument.
Block.
Jeroscope
LOL critics....
Baseshocks Yes. They tend to be people with actual credibility.
Terribly poor design, 400 years from the NX doesn't make it look very good... sorry but whoever designed it, wasn't thinking... it looked like a quick PS mesh, no evolution went into it. It's not like Enterprise NCC 1701 to the E for instance, there you can see a massive change, new tech and design. Meh... so much of Enterprise the series doesn't make sense to me... and it starts with the theme music... idiots...
But.... It's been a long road.... from getting from there to here though...
***** Oh the PAIN THE PAIN THE PAIN!!!!!!! ;)
Stephen Nostromo
I thought that's what Tattoo said when Kh...Eh, Mr. Roarke accidentally stepped on him...LOL (I know...bad joke)
*****
I still remember the first episode after the start i was like O.o WTF was that? Then i hoped it was something they would just use for the first episode. But no :(.
I think it was a crying shame to even develop this show after the legends of Trek TV. I think it was a terrible idea to create a Trek show that takes place BEFORE KIRK. I mean really? The entire SULIBAN (TALIBAN) thing was just so weak and so obvious. I hated it. I think with the rich eco system and history of Star Trek, the best option would have had to have been a show taking place in the future or after Voyager. I mean we've established so much between TNG, DS9 and VOY that to go forward would have given us so much more to dig into, new worlds, new characters, new fantastic adventures... but no... the writers chucked out, they didn't have it in them, they wanted to play it safe and so they went against exploring new frontiers and so on by creating something that would tamper with the sacred canon... this was my problem. Oh and the crew was pretty weak, the worst Captain, the crew didn't fit, they didn't work well together and the ship was ugly. A series on the building of the Federation on Earth would have been more interesting... but no... they really didn't make Vulcans likeable, they in fact ruined it in many ways and personally I think they messed up more things than expected in the short 4 years they were on the air. But this is my opinion, I love TREK but I skipped Enterprise, because I think it was an insult. They didn't even include Star Trek in the first season, why? It's Star Trek! Also, and finally, my favourite Trek is the Kirk movies, because I grew up with it, then including TNG, but matured in DS9. I think DS9 had the best writing and most daring episodes, I loved DS9. Voyager was pretty much USS Christianity... Find trouble and convince them all they are "doing it wrong". The human racist aspect was a bit too much, everyone had to have human standards, morals and so on. Oh and Janeway needed to get laid or something.. she practically ordered the entire ship into danger as often as possible.. Started off ok though but then... it was Nebula this Anomaly that... repetitively... just my opinion and it's not the absolute truth but it's just how I feel...
I never ever managed to get myself to watch this series.
Considering just in the lifetime of Picard they built 3 enterprises, D E and F. This being J, 600 years later really seems like not a lot happened after Picard.
Federation taking over Klingons and Romulans ? Nice. :) Never thought the word federation was a hidden word for nazi. Hard to believe that Klingons would just join the federation, ruled over and help it expand whilst they have to wear Earth uniform to be part of a military. No, Klingons are not culturely retarded, Klingons are a proud race and very proud of their warrior instinct and heritage .If you think that Klingons will have to surrender their way of life like we saw Rio talking off her earing because Picard order to do so then you have no idea what trek is. More absurdity from Star Trek simply because the writers were tooooooooo damn lazy to do a proper job and even work hard, and certain fans are gullible to accept any rubbish.that Paramount craps at them -THINK
Of course not every the Klingons join the Federation doesn't mean every Klingon wears a star fleet uniform.. It doesn't mean by joining that tghey will be ruled under by the fed . If the Klingons join then it will be unified one where both parties are disolved and form a unified alpah qudaunt society not that rubbish Federation that feeds on NAzium
The idea that the federation are ALWAYS the good guys (with exception of DS9 which help trek btw) only promotes racism.
Yep different culture forced to be ruled under by the federation promoting freedom and respect and have . Love your stupidity. Never thought killing civilians and promoting racism is the democracy way - A show that says how "we got Uhra, , Sulu, and one more non white person on the show - we can't be racist" and shows other race as backward , violent, untrustworthy, thuggish, greedy. ( Romulan, Ferengi, Cardassian, KLingon etc etc ) Showing the feds a white mans club with a few scattered of non-whites just please the people oh we not racist . THen Star Fleet in san francisco ? when other nation have reach space Russia, India Japan, Pakistan, China , Europe etc etc... a country like the US that has promoted more mass murderers than all the country combined from ww1 and 2, STar fleet is based there , to promote peace and respect ethnicity and religion. Really ? T . Sure no country is free from faults but the US is founded by enslaving of Africans and exterminating native Americans, yet Star fleet is in US soil to show the Universe thats what we represent a voient enslaving nation ? Really ? .A organisation that respects other ALien race Culture, religion and creed from other worlds but can't even mention of Christians, Jews Hindus, Sikh ( oh yes Khan Noor Singh - a dictator that killed q quater of Earth population) or even Muslims alike
I found this glaring stupidty done by writers and it is repeated more obviously by JJ and co.
. Its people like you who go and put the head in the sand. Avoid the problem at hand. Believing in such bullshit as Federation doesn't conquer a planet, then comes the Klingons who are proud race get run by some from eartrh ?
And then India and China why the hell do they need someone from the US tell them what to do , why can't they have Star Fleet in New Delih
Why is it central in San Fransico US I understand the TOS but TNG should have been in another country like Uganda if star trek wants to be seen as a show that shows humanity to respect people ethics and religion.
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"Each species (Romulan, Ferengi, Cardassian, KLingon) are extreme metaphors for some piece of humanity. The Klingons represent humanities violent tendencies, the Ferengi represent greed caused by capitalism, the Romulans and Cardassians represent imperialist greed".
Avoiding the issue to make Star trek a clean show. Still promotes racism.
Captain James T. Kirk
Also when I said that why STar Fleet is based in San francisco It was rhetorical question to make you think why Parmount and the writers couldn't be bothered putting Star Fleet on netual or even on a place that represent earth better.
Captain James T. Kirk this is the Internet, so you're helping to keep it working as intended! Roddenberry was not a socialist, nor does the Federation depict socialism. The primary purposes of the Federation were 1-Military Coalition against non Federation Powers, 2-Trade & Commerce, 3-Science & Technology Exchange, 4-Cultural Exchange. In fact the original introduction stated that the Enterprise's mission was related to interstellar commerce, not exploration. The Federation was his United States analog. The Romulans were the Chinese. Klingons were the Soviets. They created a cold war triangle that could be used to create cold war stories that mimicked the real world.
Kirk's depiction is not as some kind of socialist either. James Kirk was modeled on Horatio Hornblower, a fictional Napoleonic Wars era Royal Navy Officer. Kirk was known for his military prowess above all else.
In addition, the starships were depicted as having enough power to destroy planets, at least the Constitution class and above. Roddenberry wasn't anti-military, he was anti-war, like most of us. He was a talk softly and carry a crap load of photo torpedoes kind of guy.
Captain James T. Kirk Why is it so hard to for you understand that have Unified Earth to have Paris as its ccapital?
Dumb Ass stop oneing up your comment Only you are as sad to do so. Just face it you and JJ Trek are all facist.
Roll in your silly comments
Enterprise NEVER happened! About 3/4 of Voyager NEVER HAPPENED. The New Movies NEVER HAPPENED (with Chris Pine etc). Join me in the crusader to restore OUR Star Trek through a righteous fan retcon crusade!
Shall I start my computations for time warp?
Mogh Yes
Oooh, oooh, can we ignore the events of The Next Generation and some of Deep Space Nine, too? Because, that would be SOOO hardcore!
Derek Bates no
Actually it did happen.
The old Spock is evidence that it did happen, and Kirk has some of his memories, and Scotty got to reverse engineer his own invention ahead of time...so....yeah...it definitely happened, even though it's not part of the timeline any more.
lol so true
I was thinking I had seen it before, looked close to Borg drones but not as close to fremen hehe
That one guy's... uniform?... looks like something Pinhead from Hellraiser would wear.
Al the Bartender: "You're starting to think you're here to save the galaxy."
Archer: "I'm not?"
Daniels: "Who are you talking to?"
Al: "Not directly."
Archer: "What about indirectly?"
Daniels: "Your file never mentioned mental instability!"
Al: "Who knows what Don Quixote can accomplish?"
Daniels: "Maybe you're not up to this, Captain."
RIP Dean Stockwell.
All we need is to see the Enterprise-H and I and then we'll have seen all the Enterprises from the original to the J
But will it be pronounced “aytch” or “hatych”? No Scottish captains, please!
Bakula himself said he hated the time travel plot between used instead of something fresh.
The Federation doesn't truly mothball ships, they keep a reserve of capable ships in classes that aren't politically friendly, and have shipyards in reserve for emergency. The first time such extreme measures as mass battleship production and dreadnought fielding happened is during the Dominion Wars and the brief Borg Encounters saw the few warships kept active as flagships fielded, and mostly destroyed.
It's possible, as that would answer some of the cardassian looking interiors of the E-J. It's interior looks like a merge of pretty much everyone's technology.
The dyson ship is there too
It appears so. Possible considering the Miranda class cruiser was in service for over a hundred years.
true, in modern-day militaries, ships/planes are in service for 40 years minimum, the B52 for example has been around over 60 years now with constant re-fitting and upgrades. we have also seen that the Federation doesnt really do battleships on a mass production scale either, so maybe the Prometheus's were maintained and updated just in case of war. We have seen the Federation dig into their moth-balled fleets in times of emergency, and it would make sense to bring out the battleships right?