Dominions 5 Novice Tries to Play Yomi (+REVENGANCE) - Campaign Summary And Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 2 бер 2023
- I played some Dominions 5, looking to conquer the world as a faction of dummy demons. But truly it was Dominions 5 that conquered me, and I was forced to resort to barbaric methods. Hence we have a look at two different campaigns as a the same factions, played in different styles and producing different results!
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#dominions5 - Ігри
Yes I have been waiting for the great return!!!
A union of the two most spiffingest of Brits! Surely this day is blessed!
my worlds are colliding what is going on
The great cycle comes about once again, the call of dominions 5 is heard and so claims another victim, praise the gods!
Spiff knows Offy D? Offy D for next Yogscast member
Oh boy! Are we getting a perfectly balanced video on dominions 5!!!???
Dominions 5 is more of a lifestyle than a game, yeah…
Great review. My dream is Dominions 5 is a good UI and and a low(er) skill floor. Sadly I don't think illwinter is gonna oblige.
Edit: One point of disagreement though. I think this game is actually 'anti-meta', insofar that it's so deep that no-one has yet to 'solve' the meta for this game. Certain strategies and builds are definitely better than others, but in the MP community people keep constantly innovating new things, which is where for me the fun derives from.
I honestly.thimk the UI is generally very good. The problem is with a lack of transparency. The mod inspector should be a part of the game, the various damage calculation formulas should be told to you, and you need an easier to view techtree for the spells.
That, and repearing tasks need a way to be done by the batxh, or automated per turn.
Thata the biggest weakness of the UI. Micromagaing gems is hell, and ordering about a hundred commanders takes an hour per turn.
Yomi without scripting the Dai Oni, haha.
Don't worry about copying a guide, you didn't end up implementing the recommended strategy anyway. The supercombatant Dai Oni thing is where you script spells like Ironskin and Fire Shield to make them ultra hard to kill, and then have single Dai Oni wipe out entire armies in melee.
If two armies are moving towards each other, one of them (usually the bigger one) will force the other one to stay where they are. It's one of the things that makes turns unpredictable in this game. The other, theoretically much more annoying way is through magic rituals that capture a province before you get a chance to move because rituals and ritual fights happen before movement (which happens before battles)
My favourite game returns! Offy introduced me to this game and I've been hooked ever since; it's esoteric but honestly the best strategy game I've ever played, and that's coming from over 15 years of mainly playing strategy games. I just hope Dominions 6 brings some quality of life improvements!
By the way, there are ways around the issues you have with the game Offy! You can click the order underneath commanders name rather than pressing space, you can view all commanders and units in the national overview, you can turn on damage numbers and combat logs blow by blow in battle, right clicking a stat tells you the average for a stat so that you can see if a unit is good or bad at that stat, you can right click any unit (enemy or your own) in battle to see their stats so you can compare them, you can see what attributes benefit your nation in the national overview ingame and as you create your god, etc. The game does tell you and give you the tools you need, you just need to turn it on, click and experiment!
Plus you can shift-click in a line to select every unit in order regardless of troop type, allowing you to move blocks of troops onto commanders
Ah yes, the perfect game for someone who doesn't like to read guides!
I guess it will be pretty fun to watch OffyD suffer!
I do appreciate his stance on information being properly displayed to the player in games.
But for tiny indy games like this which have a fairly strong wiki+walkthrough+youtube community oriented sort of learning process it's just going to be nothing but pain for him.
Aaand he picks Yomi. oh dear.
I've made five comments now when I wished I'd made one but I just have to express that I hope you try the game again with hotkeys. It's painful to watch all the unnecessary clicking you do and then complain about how much clicking there is.
Love you and your content. I'd absolutely watch you go in blind with everything else, no strategies, no steam guide builds, blind everything except hotkeys.
That does sound like an improvement, several other people recommended looking those up too. usually I am a 'purist' in that if the game doesn't indicate hotkeys then I shouldn't look up them up for purposes of reviewing its user friendliness. But this is a game where that standard clearly doesn't work, and wasn't considered. Still, I could do some kind of 'knows how the play' playthrough sometime :D
You can have a shorter ictory condition by putting more thrones on the map and not changing the amount you need, that way when you conquer let's say 40% of the map you have enough throne to win.
A good idea, I think that would make things more fun, the second half of the campaign isn't really needed if things went good enough in the first half.
I've only started the video but it might be useful to right click units more to inspect units. It would explain what the fire is on the ogre or whatever at the start. Edit: you found it soon after. You can inspect units, spells, blessings, items, just about anything by right clicking on it.
Most of the UI has handy keyboard shortcuts and you can see them if you hit ? on most screens.
I think the reason the river didn't freeze over was because your dominion generates heat and winter only applies -1 Heat or something, which isn't enough to turn the borders into Cold.
There is friendly fire for everything but melee attacks, archery and spells, elemental auras included.
Dominions 5? AGAIN!? YES!
the last videos you did on this game were amazing! happy to see more
Would be fun to see you try a multiplayer game of this, as it would probably slowly reveal a ton of more hidden mechanics when others use them. possibly would have time as its mostly one turn a day. The online groups I know would be ecstatic to see someone like you play.
This fills me with nostalgia. My first game of Dominions was all the way back when the Dom 3 was the latest version. I knew nothing and i chose MA Abyssia, basically because i liked the description. Turns out fireproof infantry with good stats and lots of fireball spam is something even a complete newb can handle. Then i tried EA R'Lyeh, and let's just say it didn't fhtagn well.
And btw - Yomi demons that get slapped into their ghost form during battle but manage to hang in till the end of it actually regain their flesh next turn, not die. You may be thinking of "undying" bless that allows troops to go into negative hp, that's a different thing altogether.
In the case you play this game again, here are three important tips: You can press F1 to show a "commander screen" where you can see, select and move the camera to every commander you have. Related to the first tip, you can press "?" on *every screen* to show the complete list of commands, different screens show the different commands available. (you can even press "?" in the map, nation making screen and even the magic speels list and command order screen, among any other to show every input possible to do anything) I recommend you use "?" often in any future playthrough. Finally, you can also select a range of units with "shift + left click" in the army screen.
I think that ? thing is the secret that I was lacking, a few other people suggested that too. That commander screen sounds good too. Realistically I think the true answer is to just find someone's tutorial on youtube and watch that for all the tips, but somehow that also feels like cheating - I'd like the devs the make an 'official' guide if there isn't one already, with only mechanical info and no meta info or winning formulas spoiled right off the bat.
@@OffyDGG I can't quite recall if they made a manual for Dom 5, but there *is* a manual for Dominions 4 which should only have a small amount of disinformation in it.
This channel is beginning to look very promising.. I'll sub for now.. content peeks my interest for sure
the dominions guide is pretty comprehensive too! Its one of the better things about the series
I love watching Devin play some videogame that I would hate!
I got Dominions over the holidays and its bizarre to play. The game looks like a Flash game but has so many features, tiny little stats, and even minor stuff like units getting debuffs for old age the game is always surprising you
Omg I thought you were just "The Kings and Generals-voice" No idea that you made content on your own too :D
Yep, one of the internet's many secrets :D In fact it was doing random gaming videos that somehow connected me to K&G many years ago!
23:00 one of the inbetween turn messages enev tells you about the handbook that you can print out, yes an actual THICCCCC handbook, it's so vast that rarely anyone reads all of it, but that's the seemingly intendet way of learning the game, so you have no place to complain there and at least for me, the real way to learn the basics of the game (like typing: "?" in any screen opens a cheat sheet for key commands, which can do most of what you wanted up to this point in the video) is by watching beginners guide videos on UA-cam, it actually helped me when I started playing and the few most important core parts are explained in those (also getting the information on commanders and units is as difficult as right-clicking on them, pressing: "n" selects the next commander without orders btw)
Honestly dominion is such a fun game to watch hope you try it more often
To be fair, the game does have a hundreds pages long pdf manual you're supposed to get somewhere that does give you info.
The old classic, well I certainly didn't notice such a thing. Slap that on the title screen if it's important, I say.
@@OffyDGG You might not notice because it's an entirely fantasy setting, but the game actually comes more from a wargaming tradition. Expecting players to look for and read manuals is just a part of that. Back in ye olden times before the game was on steam (DOM3 and earlier) the game actually came with a thick ring-binder version of the manual if you bought the physical copy. I still have that lying around somewhere i think...
A bit late to comment, but the way to the manual actually is on the title screen. Tools & Manuals -> Manuals & Introduction Videos sends you to a page on their website with the dom5 manual pdf and some videos for beginners.
Yeah it probably should be pulled out to the main screen so it only needs one click, but technically it is listed on the main menu already.
Now how much help the manual would have been to you is debateable. The manual is decent to explain the basics, but even ignoring the appendices listing literally every nation, spell, item, and national unit in the game, it still takes 102 pages to get through the mechanics and interface.
This is good stuff
Praise Devin to enhance his power. Especially here. He will need it.
Yes, more Dominions 5! Thanks for the upload, OffyDaddy!
Something interesting I just noticed is in both this video and your last Dominions video. A faction waving Purple colors gave you a run for your money. Somethings up with these purple factions I can smell it.
46:48 "I literally don't know, and to some extent I can't know... There are some clues I could glean, but I didn't even go through the effort of doing that, though that's mainly because I didn't expect to ever actually come to a correct conclusion, so I just didn't attempt it." -A prophetic discursive on the nature of the godhead.
ah yes, I remember this one. glorious
i loved the "left and right click are backwards to every other game in the universe".
actually PSO2 also has this issue :D
Two fun facts! Dominions 6 is out, and two your able to raise your faith (candles)_ by building more temples in game.
The best illustration for Dominions 5 is this: you can play as an underwater nation. You would think an underwater nation would be safe, since, you know...underwater. People need magic to even attack you, and most of the time, you can attack them right out. So, solid position, right?
It is not.
The underwater world is the home of the Thunderdome: because resources are hard to come by under the waves, you either rush down and kill every other underwater nation, or you get crushed, plain and simple. You aren't the last person to fight for their life. You're the _first._
Welcome to Dominions.
That is exactly what happened to me on my first playthrough as the cthulu faction a couple of years back, I was very unsettled to see large land armies coming at me across the sea bed :D
The game has a manual explaining many game mechanics.
Brings me back, games with manuals.
Congratulations on almost scratching the surface of Dominions 5. :P
Yeah the UI is the biggest drawback here. It's gotten a lot better over the years, believe it or not, but it's obviously never been a development priority.
Now go play the game in MP, which is where it really shines.
'So that changes to some extent what the factions are like'
Changes to a major extent what the factions are like. Most nations are significantly different between ages, and ones that aren't usually have enough differences to prevent them from feeling like they were cloned.
Unless you're Vanheim, of course, but how can you improve on the vanir?
Get elfed.
1:29:35 press "a", while hovering over a unit and it'll select every unit in its squad
I recommend checking out Conquest of Elysium 5! It's made by the same developers and is more of a Master of Magic (or HoMM) -like take in this fantasy world. IMO it still has the depth of something like dominions 5 but its much easier to explore on your own without having to rely on outside meta knowledge to play the game effectively. It feels like a fun little fantasy world to experiment and have fun with whatever faction you're playing as
Yomi is my fav faction, as if I am playing Melkor / Morgoth with massive Balrogs and the orcs spreading chaos and hell
The huge demon army spam that builds up towards the end is pretty cool, I enjoyed the wave of evil crushing all in its path
There is a mod for morgoth in dom 5. It called dominions of middle earth
So this is how the Dyson Sphere Program experts felt.
Dominions is a 4x, but its combat plays more like a ttrpg, ot tcg. And consequently the way you suceed at it is also similar. You need to funnd broken synergistic interactions and edge case exceptions, and tailor them specifically against those of your opponent.
Pro tip, you can use ? to see any of the hotkeys
you can bless sacred units outside your dominion but for your god to be effected by your bless effects it must be inside your dominion.
Yeah, and specifically the god also automatically blesses everyone with them while in own dominion, so there was no need to micromanage that for those fights.
The regeneration and other powerful effects of a bless are incarnate, which means the god has to be alive somewhere on the map for them to be available, but non-incarnate blesses can be activated by any priest with the blessing spell. The AI will usually cast it even if you give them no commands, but you might not have enough priests to bless everyone, or they might move out of range.
To save yourself a ton of time if you play this in the future, start studying the hotkeys! The first one to know is "?", which will tell you (almost) all the hotkeys relevant to your current screen. Seriously, I know that a big chunk of the gameplay is micromanagement, but you CAN speed that up massively with hotkeys.
Although in one case you seem to have found the hotkey before the... cold...key? Anyway, you don't have to press space to bring up commander actions. You can click where it says "defend" on their portrait.
An example of a timesaver:
"a" to select every unit on a line.
You can tell which god's dominion is in a province by clicking the candles in the top left, then hovering over the dominion part in the box you get. But yeah, I agree, it's not easy to find information. And this only works if it's your own province.
One of the guys has been posting this around the Dominions MP discords, its pretty funny to see the average new player perspective after playing the game for so long.
The big draw of this game is the complexity of the stats and magic system. Ideally you see what your opponent is doing, go in and find some combination of units, items and magic that beats it, and try to roll them with it. At the same time they're trying to do it to you, which can produce interesting play and counterplay. However it doesn't always happen that way. Almost never in SP and sometimes not even in MP.
And you are meant to mess with the bless system and gods to find a useful combo rather than just reading about it online, but unfortunately you can't really do that until you know a bit more about your units.
I hope illwinter (its 2 guys, not 1, but close enough) sees this. Even though I like the complexity of the game, I don't think they quite grasp how many people they're losing from just the UI, opaque systems, and the lack of basic things like a tutorial.
Funny thing is you could probably make a tutorial campaign through event system modding, though honestly the devs should do it instead of the community.
This game is so nice, should have a little more automation options tough.
Also, with Age of Wonders 4 coming out soon, any chance for showcase of 3?
Haven't even started with the 'age of' type game on this channel, but I'd love to try out new ones sometime. I still haven't played the old classic age of mythology, or any of the age of wonders games
YES DOMINION!!!
Baby Joby!!!
Right now im only watching Marco Pierre White videos and this.
I can't imagine how long it took to export/upload this video
Rendering and uploading is good real life gameplay, you get to watch a number go up, would recommend
@@OffyDGG it's better when you have some control over the number though
only the rendering gods can control these things, surrender to their will
always wondered how much more following this game would get if it only had a proper budget - not even for graphics, but for UI and tutorial designers. maybe it will get Dwarf Fortress treatment one day and actually become enjoyable to play by most humanoids
it still is fun now, but damn it takes a while to learn it
The game is honestly isnt any harder to play than the usual 4x. It just gets tedious as you get many armies out.
It would've been nice to see you pull off the spirit of the build it just once with 2-3 kitted out and scripted dai-oni. It's impressive just how much they can do with a full set of gear and a few buffs. Turning on auto-orders for new commanders would save you some clicks, but yeah the ui is lacking and you can tell this game was programmed incredibly lean. Hopefully some competent people can improve on and help with Illwinter's creation, but for now he makes it at his pace.
You are probably right, but in my desire to not be cheating too hard I only skim read it so I was basically implementing something vaguely based on the build!
Almost none of the things yomi spawns is sacred the amanjaku are other then that your focused on sacred summons like shikhome and tengu and dai oni. I would love to show you a build or two I have for yomi
It's funny to watch Devin play games, because he complains just as much for games he likes, as for games he dislikes.
Wait can't you just click on the stats and the game tells you exactly what they do?
Dominions 6 has beenannounced they did say they are working on the ui
Ah maybe one day a dominions game that more people can reasonably play will appear, that is good news!
@@OffyDGG I am sorry to inform that while they do plan to make progress, I wouldn't get my hopes too high. :(
Like the idea of Dominions, agree that the user interface is appalling though. As a campaign develops, you get bogged down in the tons of clicks and micromanagement. Units look really blocky and similar and so on. Some say it's not a game to play the AI, that it is meant for multiplayer.
Dominions is the best strategy game ive ever played and a contender for the best competitive game ive ever played. Almost 4k hours in and im still learning every game.
The foolish Order Yomi
Yomi is a very bad faction for new players troops suck you have to relay on commanders and mages in ways you wouldn't think of
If you do come back to the game F1 gives you an overview of where all your commanders are
You picked like the 2nd worse faction lol
Damn my man will have a headache playing this. I will be surprised if he comes away liking it.