Broadhead Battle! IRON WILL vs SILVER FLAME
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2019
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These are both fantastic broadheads, with excellent reputations & loyal followings. Which will perform better in my tests for flight, durability, edge retention, & penetration?
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Another great video thank you for sharing.
Only Chanel needed for the most in-depth broadhead testing!!!!
Well thank you kindly! Much appreciated brother.
I picked up the Ironwill this year. They had me at the box alone. Lol. Great review. Impressive group at 80.
Good choice! I loved those little boxes :) Check out some of my other vids with the Iron Will and you'll love them even more. They're amazing. Thanks for watching and commenting; much appreciated.
Had me at the Box lol I am going with the 150gr solid Crossbow bolt
Thanks for all you’re hard work doing these test.
Thank you Raymond.
You know,you say you know we dont hunt cinder blocks but if you think about it .. when you have a good pass through and smack a good hard rock or hard tree root , we kinda do hunt rocks
And when you pay 100 $ plus for blades I know I want to use them more than one time ..
So I think your tests are spot on
Right on! Great point. I have done that for sure. Thank you!
John, great review, you really do a thorough job. You are honest and convincing.. thank you for the review.
Thanks JG. I really appreciate you watching and commenting!
@@LuskArcheryAdventures My pleasure, I still want to get you to Ohio, whitetail hunting.. Keep up the good work
Great test, I’m glad I bought the Iron will broad head. Thank you
Remi Thanks Remi. Great choice.
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I am now sold on the Iron Will built like tanks been watching reviews all have been outstanding. You pay for what you get!
Yep
Keep up the good work. Another excellent test.
Outdoor Analytics Thank you sir. Very much appreciated.
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Thank you for the video
You bet Jeff. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Great stuff as always John! I’m probably going to run the Iron Will or the Strickland Helix for my fixed option this fall. I’d watch a head to head of those two a couple times if you made one ;)
Thanks brother. Much appreciated. I've shot the Helix quite a bit. Good head, but for a single bevel there are better, honestly. The Bishop has tested the best and the Cutthroat has done well also.
Lusk Archery Adventures haven’t looked into the Cutthroat, but I did just now. Very budget friendly comparatively! I’ll give them a closer look.
Ironwill is the next broadhead I want to buy next and try out. I see so much good about them.
That's a good choice. They are top top tier.
I personally hunt rocks when I'm super hungry.. great video I have both these heads and love them. I always Look forward to your reviews . Great job bro.
Haha. That's funny. Thanks brother. I really appreciate you watching and commenting.
I am stoked for this, just started the episode. I’d love to see you check out some OZ Cut broadheads next. The hurricane looks awesome
Thank you. I really want to test them out as well. I appreciate you watching.
Lusk Archery Adventures thanks for the content. I first heard about Iron Will from your videos and now you have big names like Cameron Hanes taking a black bear today with the s100
That's really cool. They have gained a big following out West. Thanks Logan.
Cool video John
Thanks brother. Much appreciated!
Those Iron Will broadheads are really tough. I couldn't believe they stuck in that cinder block.
Texas BowHunter Impressive indeed. Thanks for watching and commenting!
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Solid review. I'm running Iron Will BuffHeads on my Cape Buffalo hunt next year.
Thanks Eric. Good choice. What's your total arrow weight and draw weight? Just curious; I'm going on a Buffalo hunt next year as well :)
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I'm running an 80lb Mathews MR8 with a FMJ Dangerous Game shaft, 75grn insert, Iron Will Buff259 head with 25grn impact collars. With the lighted nocks and vanes I'm a shade over 900grn's total weight. I fully expect you to post a vid of your successful buffalo hunt! lol. Which outfitter will you be using? Cheers.
That's a fantastic set up! I'm not totally decided on an outfitter yet; l'm negotiating with a few different ones. What about you?
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks man! I've got my eye on Ken Moody. He's very active over on Bowsite and routinely has cancellation hunts at super solid prices. Good luck with whoever you go with and I'll be looking forward to the footage. Cheers!
Great reviews. Love that you get down to steels & hardness etc. You should check out Widowmaker Archery. Looks similar to the Iron will in 1095 HC. Started by a bloke from Australia who runs buffalo hunts & started producing his own gear. His shafts are heavy, tough as nails & bounce off rocks. Worth a look.
Thanks Andrew. I will look into those. Thanks for the suggestion.
Most likely will be shooting iron wills this year! Thanks for the info john
Kyle McDonald Good choice Kyle. Thanks brother.
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Ty for the video 🥤🥱🍿
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Awesome
Thanks Aaron. I really appreciate you watching and commenting.
Iron Will hands down. Extremely sharp out of the box. Cut my finger taking it out of the box !!!!
👍👍😮.
They are really sharp! I handle a lot of broadheads, but have cut myself with Iron Wills more than any other.
Hi. Fyi it's worth checking out red series or the Overkill by Grizzlystick.
I just ordered the maasai in 200gr to check it out. I was impressed, I would put the qad exodus as the sharpest BH I have but my fingers on, and the maasai is a close second to that and only single bevel. Its pretty to.lol
Thank you for the suggestion.
Just came across your video's. Amazing broadhead tests - interesting and fun. I know there's a bunch of variables to consider & I know you enjoy using lots of different broadheads, however, for Deer, Moose, & Elk, what would your top three broadheads be??? Thanks For Your Time: Shawn
Thanks Shawn. I really appreciate you watching and commenting. I love doing this stuff and hope it's helpful for others. After testing so many different heads, I've realized there are a lot of them that are good and will get the job done. And much of the choice comes down to budget, shot distance, and personal bow set up. But at this point, my top choices for a Fixed are: Iron Will, Exodus, and Bishop. And for a Mechanical are: Afflictor and Sevr 1.5"
Thank you for your terrific post Sir.
Very informative indeed.
I’m a new sub too.
After viewing your video I’ve just ordered 2 new sets of broad heads.
125 gr wide and 150 gr v’s.
I am looking forward to hunting with them in the fall in Eastern Canada.
Keep up the great work Sir.
Kindest regards,
David
P.S.
As an aside, how do you like your new BowTech?
I just replaced my last bow with the BowTech BT Mag X.
I LOVE IT! I’ve owned a few shooters in my day and it is without a doubt the finest bow I’ve ever owned.
Ha me again Sir for your post. I’ll be eagerly following your videos both past and future.
In this time of global uneasiness, I do hope that you and all of your loved ones are staying both healthy and safe. And if anyone you know has unfortunately become ill, I wish a full and speedy recovery Sir.
Cheers
Well thank you David. What an encouraging comment. I really appreciate it. And man, I am LOVING my SR6. It is the most accurate, easiest to tune, smoothest, and fastest bow I've ever had.
I noticed that on the 60 and 80 yard shots even though they grouped very well one of the arrows was a little knock out that's most likely a arrow tune adjustment but I would like to know which broadhead it was.
Well, I understand why you would think that, but this was actually do to the movement of the arrow within the target itself.
I was told if an arrow was passing through an animal and the tip breaks off a solid broadhead it will continue to push forward in a more or less straight line and penatrate, where a bent broadhead will cause the whole arrow shaft turn and try to push through the animal sideways, bringing the forward momentum to a stop much faster
It can do that. But it completely depends on the bend and what it hits. That's why I prefer a head that doesn't bend or break :) The advantages of a bent head is that they still keep cutting inside an animal...but can hinder penetration. A broken blade may penetrate better, but make a very small hole; or the broken blade end can also hinder penetration and only one blade cutting can also veer the head off its course. By and large, I'll take a head that bends slightly over one that breaks.
Very nice, is they any way to test the quietness of broadheads? Thank you for sharing and good shooting!
I've tried that with a decibel meter in flight, but it was difficult to quantify. The solid heads will always be much quieter.
Wow! That Iron Will is the real deal! Thinking of switching to a 2 blade head which I think the Iron Will is even though it has the bleeders. Curious if you have to tune your setup much when using these heads? Also I hate to be that "why don't you do this or could you do that" guy. But... I would love to see how the heads would do into the plywood from an angle shot since we sometimes don't get a chance to shoot straight into our targets while hunting. Thank you for taking the time to share your videos/adventures. I really appreciate the work you put in.
Charles Byrum They penetrate extremely well on angles also. Could have shown that but I thought it would be apparent. I have at least 5 other vids here on my channel involving and testing the Iron Will in other tests.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors Thanks for the reply, I will check out the other videos now.
Thank you Charles!
It looked like the arrow with Silver Flame hit the target on an angle on the penetration test. This will really hurt penetration. I like the width of cut of the Silver Flame but like the Iron Will overall. I will probably never get either for my whitetail hunting because of cost though. I will probably just go with the Muzzy Trocar for cross bow & stick with the MX-3's for compound. Especially since I only shoot 15 yds max at animals. BTW, you are an amazing shot. I have never shot that good.
Thank you brother. I really appreciate you watching and commenting.
Well presented..Great test ..How do you compare the Iron Will to the Bishop 3-Blade 200 grain ? I’m working on a 710 grain foc shaft for 2019.. Does Iron Will Make 3 Blade 200 grain broadheads ?
bob peck Iron Will does not make a 3 blade. The Bishop rules in 3 blades and single bevels. Thanks for watching and asking!
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When it is possible I want to see the text with the new Northern Broadheads Evo
Thank you Marco. I'm sure they will get the job done. There is a lot about the head that looks good, and I applaud any company that finds a niche in the market. It takes a lot of work to create and launch a broadhead company. And they are half the price of a German Kinetics, which is nice. They are similar to the GK Silver Flames, but I doubt they have quite the same level of quality. I prefer a steel or titanium ferrule in a fixed blade head. But I know there are many good heads, like Silver Flames and Magnus that do fairly well with aluminum. That being said, I have to reserve any final judgement because I have not personally tested them.
I like the style of the german broadhead , but what was the idea of using aluminum ? The american broadhead is just built like a tank 😉👍🇺🇸
Jimmy Britt Right? If you’re going to build an expensive, top tier head to take down the biggest animals, I don’t get it either.
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So what is the difference between German Kinetic silver flame and the Alaskan supply/ Grizzlystik silver flame apart from the fact that Grizzlystik uses better steel than German Kinetic?
Well, the GK steel actually holds an edge much better and is less prone to edge chatter than the AK Supply versions.
I was hoping you would be testing some of the new broadheads.....like the Zeus
vfonte218 I did begin testing them the other day. I’ve been very impressed by the flight!
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I enjoy your videos do you plan on testing the rage nc in the near future thanks
Thanks Lou. Much appreciated brother. I would like to test those as well. I have a friend that just tested a pack and two of the three didn't open on entry. He sent them back. Hopefully they will fix that problem. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures thanks for the info i was planning on trying hypodermic crossbow broadhead with collar they look well made can't wait to try this season.
Good deal. Please let me know how they perform for you :) Good luck
The Iron Will website says the ferrule is stainless steel on all the product pages, solid, vented, and the buff series... Is the website wrong or did they change the construction?
It depends on the weight of the head. The ferrule varies from Stainless to Titanium based on the weight.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I see, I was comparing the 200gr
Thanks!
@@LuskArcheryAdventures does the 150s have titanium or stainless?
What is the best fixed blade with bleeders in your honest opinion 🤔
So many great options. It depends on the animal being hunted, but hard to beat the Iron Wills.
Let’s see another test now that iron will makes a wide cut!!!! German kinetic xl vs iron will wide cut!
That would be good. But the Wide is a lot tougher. They use a grade 5 titanium that is much stronger than 7075 aluminum.
1. how heavy is the arrow? (no broadhead)
2. how heavy is the broadhead?
I mentioned all that in the vid, I believe...but it was a while ago. My arrow without the head is 335 gr. The heads are 125.
Shot today iron wills 150 grain at 60...bullseye next to my field tips
Yeah, they fly VERY well.
Is the swhacker 150 grain 3 inch relevant enuff to do a review on?
That's a good question Tommy. Perhaps it is, but I'm just not a big fan of the way they open from the front, as opposed to a rear deploying mech. They just don't get a nice entrance hole. Now, if you blow all the way through an animal, it won't matter. But if you don't get a pass through, you will have very very little blood to follow. For turkey though, that head would be awesome.
Thx John! 70 30 inch. 615 grain. It intrigues me for some reason. Got my cutthroat BH u recommended. They r great but the eat a block target up, cause a lot of damage!:) thx again.
Right? I hate using Single Bevels on my targets! If I can get a thinner target or one that's been shot a lot, it's much easier cause I can just push the arrow through and unscrew the head. They're so hard to pull back out cause of that rotation.
What is your favorite broadhead for whitetail
That's a good question. It would really depend on my set up, but right now it's the Sevr 1.5 and the Iron Will Wide.
great job on the video and being clear about everything but my gripe is you need to watch the mic gains or just a new mic all together as you are maxing it out and clipping the audio.
You are right. Sorry about that. It all depends on what device your listening on and where you are listening. I received many complaints that the audio was too quiet and was told to max it out and let people use their volume control to lower it, as they can only increase it so much. But I did get two new cameras and hope it will be better. Thanks for the input
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Great test as always...my only suggestion is that when u compare their flight...shoot a standard field tip to compare against...just a thought
David Buurma Yeah, I should have done that. I shot the field points at those ranges as well, and they were hitting the same place. But I should have done three shot groups. Thanks for the feedback!
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What makes the German Kinetic so much better than the Alaska Bowhunting Supply?
They use a different hardening process. ABS was making them too hard so they became brittle and sometimes fractured. And the GK hold an edge much better.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures so you can confirm this with data that it can hold an edge better? Are you sure that they still have the same rockwell rating? Are GK sub zero quenched?
your videos are good but the sound in my headphones is really scratchy fyi
Yeah, this was an older video. I've upgraded my mics and editing a lot since then. Sorry about that.
I don’t think you would notice a difference shooting either of those heads at an animal, similar design similar results . One has better metal , which isn’t per say necessary. In the end which one can you get cheaper . The German kinetic is gonna have a slightly wider cut.
Yeah, I really don't like to do Broadhead Battles like this one when the dimensions are so different. This was the last time I did that. I only do it now if the dimensions are very similar or if the heads are both made by the same company. But the score sheets I provide can be used to compare heads in each of the data points I test for.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures oh it was great video , I enjoyed it. I like the testing , whether it’s real world or not
Does not SURPRISE that the iron will penetrated better do to decrease surface of the iron will. As for tunability, which would be easier. Also, noise of broadheads! Thanks! Still sticking with the Sevr...
Yep. Thanks Michael.
Id love to see you review the kudu point broadheads!
Thanks for the suggestion. I've tested a ton of single bevels. The Kudu are great heads, but would not be my top pic for a single bevel due to their design, but maybe I'll get around to testing them at some point. I do appreciate your watching and commenting and suggesting!
Bishop should fire their marketing team for not naming the arrow the FOCking Mammoth
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Thank you for watching and commenting, but I'm sorry I cannot understand what you have written.
6:25 that's what she said.
Haha!
Nice Video, but you are comparing apples with pears. Why don't you compare the same models? There are models from ironwill with a similar design as those from German Kinetics (V series) but you take two completely different ones.
Yeah, I understand that. If someone would send me some of those, I would gladly test them. In my recent broadhead battles, like within the last year, I have limited them to heads that have very similar specs, for the very reason you stated. In this case, I happened to have these two heads around and decided to compare them.
So Grizzlystik is a knockoff of German Kinetic?
Not a knock off, cause they have the license to make them...but not the same as the original.
Lusk Archery Adventures kinda like how Magpul has an open patent on their MLOK mounting system. any weapon accessory company can make MLOK compatible parts, they just have to fill out a form from Magpul
$2000 for 3 arrows.....insanity!!!
Yeah, not in everyone's budget for sure! But for those who can afford them, they are amazing.
Any chance on seeing the new daysix heads?
Perhaps I will at some point. I am not a big fan of S30V steel for broadheads. Solid uses the same steel. It's fine for knives, but it is not very good at impact resistance. Even in knives, it is known for being prone to chipping. For broadheads it just doesn't make sense. They do get really sharp, and they are very non-corrosive, and they do hold their sharpness--but the edge chatter and chipping is just not worth the price. There are better options for the money. A2 Steel is a way, way, way better option. Google SV30 for knives and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Not much of a comparison sir with one being premium materials and one being market standard. Also I have to mention one is solid and one is vented lol.
Yeah, since this vid, I stopped doing Battles unless the heads have the same dimensions.
Just can't justify bishops arrow cost. I can see the broadheads being as pricey as they are but $1999 for 3 arrows?!
Haha. Yep; certainly not for everyone. But there are people who have those kind of budgets.
Just jealous wish I was a doctor or dentist or lawyer so I could afford those arrows
WishN I Was FishN Haha. Yeah. You’d be surprised by how many people buy them. Before these I used a footed Easton Hexx with 75 gr brass inserts and they did quite well in my destruction tests as well.
WishN I Was FishN I’m none of the above and I can afford them.
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No offense to anybody out there, but these air these arrowheads are not made to go through what they made to go through flesh
Yes of course. I fully understand that. The point of the tests is to provide comparative analysis between different heads, under the harshest conditions. At the same time, a hard impact on bone, especially at angles, can be much more damaging to a broadhead than a straight impact on steel or concrete. My data help people know what a head can and cannot handle. The viewer can decide whether that's important to them or not. But if one head can handle something another one cannot, all other things equal, I know which one I'm going with.
Bow is good broad heads are good but man quit plugging those arrows they cost as much as the bow.....really? I get it you got the hook up but my 250 dangerous game fmjs where 80 bucks for 6 sorry never wanted to be a hater but common man. Look em up people the arrows boss be shooting ain’t for us common folk
WishN I Was FishN Yeah, I hear you. For all my Broadhead destruction tests, I get a ton of questions about what arrows I’m using. So it saves me a lot of time to introduce them in the video. Thanks for watching and for the feedback.
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Kinda unfair to compare a vented against a unvented broadhead. i'd still feel German Kinetics makes a far superior hunting head than a Iron Will. I own them both and killed hogs with both.
Yep, I agree it's unfair. Nowadays, I make sure that "broadhead battles" are of more similar design.
I haven’t even watch the video yet and this is stupid why would you compare the XL to the iron will? You should use the standard silver flame
Well, if you watched the video you'd see why I did it. The XL has .3" less of a cut than the Iron Will. If I went to the smaller Silver Flame, it would be way way less. Then that wouldn't be a fair comparison.
Lusk Archery Adventures it doesn't matter if it's a little less of a cut, the four blade versus the two blade regardless of total cutting surface is still not a good comparison. I like all your testing, it's great information please don't get me wrong, I just disagree with comparing a four blade to a two blade
I disagree when comparing GK vs ABS Silver Flame. 440C is much better than 440B and ABS has actually made the head easy to get in the US. Both have tight tolerances.
Well, thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts.
They shouldn’t be even compared to one another, they are so different, I don’t even wanna watch the video
Why do you say that? Both premium heads; similar cutting diameter, same price, and 125 gr.
Lusk Archery Adventures two blade, versus a four blade. And dented it versus solid. To me that's two major differences. Like I said in my other message I totally enjoy all the knowledge and information you're putting out but at least I can voice my opinion
Lusk Archery Adventures also I actually own both not the exact models you were testing but I'm a bit of a Brodhead whore, if you will. LOL I love testing and using all different types of pads with the exception of expendables which I don't touch. I'm a big fan of both of those, and I'd say at one of my other I Favorites is a two bladed VPA
Ha, I just drew a highly sought-after once in a life time cinder block tag here in ohio.
Nice. Then you know which head to use :)
@LuskArcheryAdventures yup. Cause once you draw it you'll never get another chance to enter the cinder block lottery ever again 🤣
Now have to decide how I want to mount it, debating on a pouncing pose or a frontal pose lmao. Maybe have the cinder block pouncing on a mountain lion or black bear
Let’s see another test now that iron will makes a wide cut!!!! German kinetic xl vs iron will wide cut!
Thanks for the suggestion. If you donate the heads, I'll do the test :) They are really pricey. But the IW would win hands down. The ferrules are much stronger and the steel is much more resistant to impact.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures there is more behind steel. A2 vs 440b so when steel is more chrom then automatic it is not so hard . so when you mean the IW is harder then also they earlyer rust than the GK. This is simply metalurgy. And the Rockwell from 440b is 55-60 and the A2 is 58- 63 so when you say the iron will is harder that is more in mind than in reality. Sorry shooting on Stones says nothing to me . And try to sharp them booth . you will see - the hardener steel is not everytime the best choyce.