I Was Wrong About The Rx 7800 XT!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- I Was Wrong About The Rx 7800 XT!
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Audio's sounding excellent Paul, you're watchable again, thank you.
Yay 🥳. I can listen to your babbling again loud and clear 🤣🤣
None are available there all sold out in the USA from all the major online sellers
So buy the 6800 or 6800XT. lol How do you still not understand this?
Easy .. I don't want to deal with used hardware even if I can find it new. I have faith in FSR 3 so that means I will need to wait till they are back in stock. Hopefully within a day or 2.
I think we all get too caught up in the naming. The 6800xt wasn't a bad card to get for 500$ a month ago, so rhe 7800xt shouldn't be a bad card to get for the same price now. I do think if they just called it a 7800 it would get higher praises
It was AMD's choice to make this the successor card to the 6800 XT by naming it as such. That why they can up the price. This is really a 7700 XT in disguise and apologists will let AMD slide once again by saying things like "don't get caught up in the naming." You absolutely SHOULD get caught up in the naming if the intent is anti-consumer behavior.
@@Lionheartx675nah it's the 6800 successor, and the price point matches. It's biggest issue is the generational price: performance increase happened already, but with RDNA2
Get caught up in the price not the name, who tf cares what it's called. Compare it to the thing that was the same price before it
There are names and tiers for a reason. Can I call my Camaro a Corvette and sell it for twice the price? What you go by is what should the next gen card be that beats a 6800XT. That would be a 7700 non XT. And what did a 6700 non XT go for last gen? $299? So a card that beats a 6800XT this gen should be $350 or less. Remember that current 7 series cards from both AMD and Nvidia should always beat the 8 series ti and xt variants of last gen. So a 7800XT that only matches the 6800XT is a failure at any price over $350. Nvidia and AMD are pulling the wool over your eyes and you are accepting it.
@@InnuendoXPit should be a 700xt class having the performance of the older gen 800xt class
Omg the USB mic is back! So good hearing your thoughts clearly! Love ya
Dude, this mic and your levels are amazing! I’ll consume your content again now!
The stock 7800 XT won't beat the 6800 XT but the AIB's do. I just bought a XFX merc 7800 XT for 560 euro (in the netherlands) and because of better cooling and higher clock/boost speed it performs actually very well, it sometimes gets close to a Nvidia 4070 ti and a 4080.
I got the triple fan Gigabyte for $500 before sales tax (7.5%), absolutely massive cooler Techtesters say its at least 5% faster than reference model.
High quality AIB 7800 XTs are close to 6950 XT, but they cost more like $550. So 7800 XT is currently the best midrange card in terms of frame per dollar, but only because alternatives are so bad...
I got a Red Devil 7800xt in The Netherlands and I've never seen a card be this cool. Only 55 degrees under load and it runs really well even compared to my old 3090 in my other PC.
Dude, saying it almost gets as fast as a 4080 is disingenuous, you’re looking at what COD or another specific game which favours AMD? I own a 7900XTX and it trades blows with the 4080. I’m happy for you and your purchase, but the 7800XT absolutely doesn’t compete with the 4070Ti let alone the 4080.
It's a price cut masquerading as a launch and everyone is eating it up because that's how bad Nvidia sucks right now. ✌
You mean Nvidia and AMD BOTH suck this gen
Good thing Intel ARC exists 🤣🤣
The price cut already happened with RDNA 2, there's no way AMD was gonna undercut their own older supply when it's still selling well. Maybe we'll see these prices drop in a year, maybe. Depends what Nvidia does.
Agreed although I think 7800XT as a 7800 makes sense but 7700 would be equivalent to last gen.. same with 4060ti, would be good enough as 4060 but really 4050ti. Alot of people are now swallowing this and tempering expectations but they aint takin my money... not this gen. Totally agree with your reaffirmed stance !
That isn't what anything means, has never meant anything, and will never mean anything.
@@vyor8837 Ok, so the company will always have control over the production, the price and don't care what I think.. thanks for the straight talk, still doesn't change my opinion or my expectation 😁
@@AKMcF why would the 7700xt be equivalent to the 6500xt or 6600xt? The 6600xt used the N23 die, the 7700xt uses a cut down N32 one.
You have your Geographical perspective.
High end RDNA2 has been scarce in Latinamerica for a year and a half, finally getting a high end GPU from AMD other than a 7900 XT or 7900 XTX is good.
They sold out in my area of the USA in a day!
6800xt performance, for 6800xt price. 7900xt is the true successor
Yes and with that card around $700 it truly is the successor.
Haha Paul's got egg on his face again. Don't worry we still love you Paul.
Truthfully 7800xt is not a exciting card, but its a good step up compared to 6700xt at basically the same price.
But 6700xt is $330 right now.
@@dat_21 Of course it is, it's over a generation old now. This is always what happens when there's still stock left of previous gen cards, barring any kind of strange GPU shortage caused by unusual demand, such as a crypto boom. It never makes sense to compare pricing of new gen cards to the heavily discounted prices of old gen cards when trying to assess intergenerational progress in terms of value.
@@syncmonism But when a really good generation comes, buying old stuff doesn't make sense. This generation isn't good by any stretch of imagination. Last gen was released in covid with mining craze, the prices that we see now are just returning to normal.
They just fixed the price to performance according to last gen prices... Thanks for not raising the prices like nvidia, but not really excited either. No real progress here.
the 7700XT is NOT going to sell nearly as well as the 7800XT is so close in price - we can already see that in early sales figures.
Guaranteed the 7700XT takes a $30 - $50 shave within a few months.
Once the Starfield deal ends, for sure it’ll drop to $399
I told you! The 7800xt sold out in the US and is the best seller on amazon. Also I was the Rx 6800 card owner that they were looking to target.
i agree the die itslef is navi 32 so its not a 6800xt and the 7700xt... so really the 7700xt is a beefed up 6600xt or 6750xt
Dude you’re allowing for all the crap like GRE. You’re over complicating this.
7900XTX = 7900XT $999
7900XT = 7800XT $749
7800XT = 7700XT $499 (no change)
7700XT = 7600XT $399
7600 = 7600 $229
They just need a slower 12GB 7700 at $349 and they’re good
Here in my little Croatia Asrock 7800xt costs 650 euros, 570 for 7700xt... Those are early prices and they will go down but AMD here is always expensive. I bough my rx6800 for 500 euros but that was with two discount combined, now its 530 euros from xfx..6800XT are sold out.. rtx 4070 are all over 700 euros, many over 800, wild prices..
Well, because of its name i was expecting it to have higher MSRP. While i still think its stupid to name it 7800xt, at least they dropped the price to be not as stupid as the naming suggests.
REDDITT: Radeon RX 7800 XT has had a successful sales launch in German retail. According to Mindfactory's sales figures, about 400 units were sold on the first day of sales. This is slightly more than GeForce RTX 4070 at it's launch and results in second place for this year behind the launch of GeForce RTX 4070 Ti at the beginning of the year. Radeon RX 7700 XT has had a weak sales start in German retail. 40 units were sold on the first day, which is in line with the launch of Radeon RX 7600
Yes, the naming is stupid. Pricewise, they want to compete with the 4060 Ti. They should have named it closer to that. AMD have really disappointed the last couple of generations.
If you wanted to get a 6800Xt but worried about crypto miner cards, 7800 Xt is a good card for the price.
Its sold out in the USA
Spot on Paul! This video hits the ball out of the park my friend.
opps the 7800XT was sold out in NA on day 1.
Yeah, we didn't need a Crystal Ball to see what the reviews were going to be 😂
Please burn that other mic with fire 😂
so happy to hear you properly
6800XT = 7800XT same performance, no price drop.
Thanks for the summary
They should have called it a 7700xt and people would have tolerated a $20 price increase.
Instead they have named it wrong and now they have lowered buyers expectation for what a 8800xt should cost.
7800xt $900+ in Australia for a midrange card...
Nope!
The 7800XT can easily overclock to better than 6900XT level though...
Can it though? I heard there's almost no overclocking headroom on it.
If I overclock my 6800xt I get 8% better performance that's a 6900xt. If you overclock the 6900xt then it's better and so on meaningless comment
Yeah the argument about OC doesn’t make sense unless you can flash a BIOS and make it the tier up card for less money. If you’re talking overclocking, every card can do that. I can get 10% more from my XTX
At least it can compete to Nvdia for once. Let's see if prices for the 4070/4060ti drops
I went for a 6950XT, the 7900XT (aka the OG 7800XT) was too expensive and had relatively crap performance for the price. But, 100 bucks less, I would have gone for it for sure. It had potential that wasn't help by poor drivers at launch. The usual shenanigans.
Paul, I understand it's tempting to hate on AMD for their recent snafus and run with Nvidia behavior in the duopoly. But within the scope of the product they just launched, the 7800XT is ~48% faster than a 6700XT according to Tech Powerup, with faster RT and AV1 encode, while costing $499 MSRP vs the $479 that the 6700XT launched at.
This kind of performance gain might be a bit too much to relegate to a 7700XT, given the recent generation uplift laterally of ~30% on average. So the naming is either 7700XTX or 7800 IMO. For marketing purposes they decided to call it a 7800XT so that it would sell.
Given market conditions, I would have given AMD a pass and just say they did a good in the right direction with this release
Wrong , what count is the number of cu.
@@toptime737 Yes. The 6700 XT had 60 cus and now the card that replaces it is the 7800 XT, which also has 60 CUs...48% more performance for $20.00 more money. That is an outstanding deal.
@@VoldoronGaming yes except 6700xt is around 300$ now.
Here in Australia 🇦🇺 the 7800(non-XT)XT and 7700XT are still all in stock at aaaallll the local big retail/e-tailer stores and they aren’t selling! I’m personally into ITX and SFF ITX🥰🫠🤤💪 pc builds and no Radeon GPU are small enough to fit my desired pc cases as they’re vast majority 3-fan or 3-large fan gpus 🤦♀🤦💩💩. I got a compact Zotac RTX4070 O/C model for $540 USD + Local Taxes here 10% which made my decision for me as the pc case it’s going in is a Skyreach Mini S4 (PS2 Slim) sized pc case.
we know
I am fully behind you on that one.
Generational improvement is traditionally the higher tier performance of the previous generation going down to the lower tier price.
i.e. GTX 970 performance into a GTX 1060 card. For much less money.
Everything goes back to cryptomining. One mistake in the past cascades into the future and keeps building. It's like once you tell a lie, you have to keep up the lie and even build the lie up more and more. Nvidia and AMD didn't want to lower prices after the cryptomining boom went bust so they had to price the next generation cards higher than the previous generation in order to have a hope of selling the previous generation. Both of them are still keeping up the lie. This generation of RTX4000 and RX7000 are an instant skip. It won't get better with next generation either.
Regular/casual gamers have gone back to console. The only ones sticking around for PC gaming are the hardcore nerds.
i was about to comment you this after seeing your previous rant about it, but didnt bother. Its not an exciting release, but its a good card and with a reasonable price. i agree it should be a bit cheaper, but with the prices that now take place, it's definitely in better place. i think they should have named this 7800 non xt, and released the 7900 gre as 7800 xt.
There the same thing, so I'm indifferent to it. Call it Sierra mist or starry. It's still pepsi's version of sprite.
They'll both be charging monthly for their dlss. Fsr, bullshit soon enough. They don't give a shit, so I've quit giving one.
My 5600xt has been lovely for the last few years, play 1080p ultra 100+FPS all day and 70+FPS in 1440p, now I just got a 7700xt regardless of all the hate its been getting and its been a treat, now I'm 1440p ultra 100+FPS and even get to use more mild settings and jump into some ray tracing, I had a feeling this one was going to be similar to my 5600xt, and just an artificially limited card that can OC for days, I've only moved a few sliders around so far and it keep playing smooth stays within 60's C, even at stock it craps on the 4060ti and is tapping on the 4070's shoulder, I mean the spec's max boost says 2500Mhz's and out of the box plug it in and go I'm seeing it boost 2700+ if one were to push this card it could blow past the 4070 and start tapping on the 7800xt's shoulder and its wouldn't be surprising to probably most who have one already
I'm glad I bought the rx 6950 xt for 630 Euro , now after the 7700 and 7800 xt came they price raised.... I'm good for 3/4 years 🤭
I totally agree about the naming.
Unfortunately, the lower end and lower-mid range cards are not offering as much value as before, so AMD and Nvidia are pushing us more toward upper mid-range cards after we've had three years of unusually high inflation. The previous gen 6700 XT (and its 6750 XT variant) is now a good value lower-mid-range or upper-low-end card, but it hasn't actually been available at a great price in all regions, and supply will probably mostly run out in less than a year, and the other good value lower-end previous gen cards are likely to run out of stock too, which could leave consumers with very few good value options below the 7800 XT.
If you adjust for inflation, 480 USD in early 2021 (when the 6700 XT launched), is equivalent to about 540 USD. That 480 USD price was most likely higher than it was originally planned to be, and was probably originally planned to be around 450 or even lower. 500 USD today is about 440 USD in early 2021.
The 7800 XT is about 43% faster than the 6700 XT, and probably costs around the same as what the 6700 XT was originally planned to launch at, IF you adjust for inflation.
500 USD today is equivalent to about 420 USD in 2019, when the 5700 XT launched at 400, and the 5700 XT was universally regarded as a great value at that price. The 7800 XT is around 90% faster, with double the Vram, and a bunch of other improvements.
It's normal for previous gen cards to get heavily discounted before some of the new generation cards even released, and for them to offer similar or even better value per dollar than the new ones. That doesn't make the new cards a bad deal. If you want to assess whether a new gen card is offering an improvement in value over the previous gen, you have to compare launch pricing with launch pricing.
i think its god damn time for nvidia and its partners to start selling just GPU PCB's for those who are willing to buy em, and let us who want to water cool slap costume blocks on em.
Bang On Correct Paul.
I don't like it. Sure within the context of the current market it's a great value. But this current market is like an abusive partner who keeps hitting you with a hammer, and now the partner just hits with a hand and we gamers go like "thank you for not hitting us with a hammer this time, you're so good to me."
Doesn't matter. I decided to sidegrade in the future and make my system more power efficient and smaller over time. I stopped buying the newest games. So I am not in need of the latest hardware anymore.
Every discussion ever is always about the shitty company wanting more money
The way AMD should have named RDNA3 and the MSRP:
7900 XTX=7900 XT at $999
7900 XT=7850 XT at $749.99
7900 XT GRE=7800 XT at $599.99
7800 XT=7800 at $499
7700 XT=7700 XT at $399
7700 at $329
7600 at $249.99,
AMD is right to compare the 7800 XT to the 6800...they have the exact same ROPS, TMUs, etc, which at $500 would be a $70 price decrease over the RX 6800. 20% more performance over the RX 6800 at 15% less money. What is interesting about the 7700 XT is that it has 54 Cus...AMD should have made a 52 CU RDNA2 card(which is the Xbox GPU) because there was a huge gap between the RX 6800(Which had 60 CUs) and the RX 6700 which had 40 CUs. Instead of only faster memory the 6750 XT should have had 52 CUs along with the faster memory.
Just a small correction. 7800xt is not 30% faster than 6700xt.
It is ~40% faster in 1440p and ~50% faster in 4k.
That's a very good generational increase but for some strange reason AMD always finds a way to fyck up things.
The perfect launch would have bean:
7700xt 16gb $499
7700 12gb $429
Still amazing reviews.
Still making the much higher availability full die the better value.
But the 12gb would not look like a joke and thay would not sell a x800xt card at $500$.
This whole generation is borked. They were scamming on the model numbers, miserable on the performance, and greedy on the price. Nothing good has come from the 7000 series.
A real 7700 XT should have besten the 6900 XT.
I want you to buy a over 300 hz monitor and benchmark your GPU cards vs a 144hz monitor
I am not interested on the 7800 XT / 7700 XT nor the 7900 XT, and since I am the friend who does the IT for my friends and help them with hardware stuff as well. I have not recommended anything on this new gen TBH. I have only mentioned the 6700 xt, 6800 xt, even the 6950xt, rtx 3070 ti, 3080.
Honestly IMHO the only worth the time GPUs this gen is the 7900xtx and maybe the 4090 if found on a sale lol. I still cannot find a reason to spend so much on a GPU, even though it is a beast lol.
I bought a 7900 xtx for $800 new on a sale, for the 800 is pretty good TBH, (I still have my 3070 TI and works fantastic as well)
Getting good at walking back your statements on this channel
In this economy right now its not realy something i would spend 550€ on, winter is coming and a crysis is on the werge
7800 is closer to 50% faster but I take your point.
So you get 3 year old performance for 500USD instead of 700USD back then. What a joke.
I'm getting a 7900XT next year, April or May, all going well.
I was considering a 7800XT but was waiting for reviews before I made my decision.
Tbh, it doesn't matter which GPU I decide to get because I'm building a new PC at the end of the year with a 7800X3D, so even a 4090 will have a GPU bottleneck lol 😲😂
That’s inaccurate, the 4090 often is under-utilised with a 7800X3D and 13900K. CPUs are still not fast enough for the 4090 below 4K.
I think a 7900XT is a good match. I have a 7800X3D and a 6950XT, no bottlenecking.
I'm at 3440x1440 though.
AMD is just following Nvidia, even with the "playing with names" game. Nvidia is been incrementally lowering the tiers, generation by generation. The x80 used to be top tier, like the 280/480/580. Then 680/780/980 were already heavily cut down. X80 became x80 ti (homage to old tis from back in the day) , and also titan, and x90 and x90 ti, soon there will be x90 Titan Ti Super GX2. They all played this game to some extent, to better "fit" yields, but Nvidia took it to another level and now AMD seems to be following Nvidia to a tee.
AMD gets so much hate from most reviewers , Dr Lisa Su is a genius
Not really, Lisa Su just price matches their competitors
@@callofdutyfreak10123 hopefully you will figure it out one day, hopefully ? she plays chess not checkers
You are right the naming is wrong, if you compare Navi 22 vs. Navi 32, you could do it also like RX 6750 XT vs. 7800 XT, so the RX 7800 XT has a lower MSRP, more performance and more Vram.
It comes with a game bundle, so if the game bundle falls away they will need to lower the price to around 449 $. Driver updates will slightly improve the performance over time, maybe ?! and AMD will add some other stuff in the not so distant future. For workloads 16gb is enough to get something done, how Rocm will play out we will see. But over all it is not a bad deal at the moment.
They are litterly sold out and some shops did increase the pricing because they run out of stock. Despite everything what AMD and Nvidia is doing and you are not wrong at all, but AMD is like " I´ll make you an offer you can´t refuse." at the moment, If AMD lowers the price, maybe later on, it will shine.
Yeah wow the overall die size of RDNA 2.0 to RDNA 3.0 shows exactly which cards are which!
Navi 22 6700/6750XT = 335mm2
Navi 32 7700XT/7800XT = 346mm2
Navi 21 6800XT/6900XT = 520mm2
Navi 31 7900XTX/PRO 7800 = 529mm2
Navi3 is on a smaller node than Navi2.
Lol, 5nm is more expensive than than 7 nm dumb dumb , you can't compare die size on different node and expect the same price ,
230 million to tap out gpu on 7 nm rdna2 , but it costed $ 530 million on 5nm for rdna3 , now think about it dumb dumb can amd afford to charge the same , lol
@@VoldoronGaming Yes, but the wafers are the same size.. GPU chips typically stay the same size, generation to generation, *because they are in the same price range.*
The tech does advance, transistor counts increase drastically, but the wafer cost is relatively the same for the newest tech. When 16nm was new, it was the expensive wafers. When 7nm was new, it was the expensive wafers. The prices don't increase exponentially, only very, very slightly, if at all.
Can't believe it is selling at all, never mind completely out. I mean, the 6800XT has been there all along. why did that never sell out?
AV1 encoding, better features and more support.
And will have FSR 3 support when it finally comes out
They did well at $550 but overall RDNA2 was completely over priced. Nothings changed with 7800 'XT' as far as i'm concerned.. they're giving better value than NVidia's crumby offerings this gen.. whoop de doo.. this is the worst GPU generation that I can remember, AMD and Nvidia are the scalpers.
@@adriancruz88will 6800xt have fsr 3?
pure hopium
Keep up the great work good sir!
Yhr card is fine but its still nothing of a jump from last gen.. at least its not overpriced like Nvidia
Its simple for 6800xt owners its a bad card No any progress almost 3 years for that price category. For new buyers who have many generations older card i guess for them its ok to buy that card. But reality is there is no progress in terms of price/perf ratio for 3 years. AMD did Nvidia move here.
This gen of amd is meh
Please cut back on the carbs Paul. Don't want to see you get ill.
Don’t get offended Paul but you’re looking really unhealthy please take care of yourself, love the content
Nvidia are filth but AMD is playing the same uptier BS naming. Its a 7700XT for 500 called a 7800Xt, end of story.
Spot on with the names ive been looking at them this gen.(bullshit names) Same with some of nvidias cards under the 4080.
People complaining about a 500 bucks 7800 xt deserve everything nvidia is doing to them.
Speculation & Clickbait titles seems to be an ongoing trend in your video`s. Having said that, at least your have the balls to admit when your wrong. Although Overclocker UK did sell out of both the 7700XT & the 7800XT within 20 mins.
They are all still very overpriced.
Please grow beard back. Thanks! 🙂
why is your face a tomato
Reviewing not an apple fans content......Paul is the karen of gaming content creators. I just dont watch your videos any more. My review of your content
Yes, and you're still wrong about basic units - it's SQUARE MILLIMETRES.
Why can't you get this basic thing right?
i have a 4090 strix,,,,so who cares
You need to eat less.
What a pile of junk 70 anything. 6950xt ftw
You where not wrong about the RX 7800 xt. It is a stupid name and $500 is disgusting. Just because everything around it is worse dose not make it right. If it was possible to get the card without the joke Bethesda game we might get it for what? $479 or $469? O right it is basically barely worth $40. My bad forgetting that the game bundle is maybe costing AMD at most $15.
We got reports that the Navi32 silicon was made around the late end of 2022. We are in September now before the cards release. You where able to get a RX 7800xt for the same dam price for over half a year. AMD is just holding supply and product to clear old stock to then sell the RDOA cards. And we see basically nothing. No performance gains no nothing. AMD failed to make the performance they expected out of RDNA 3 and refuse to name the cards what they are. Or price them in a way or even launch the cards before securing the RDNA2 being sold out. The only thing going right for AMD is outside of AMD's company. And that is NVIDIA.
It the stupid bundles go away and Navi 32 truly starts to get a decent price this holiday season. I might bite. Or else it might be about time to just sit it out until Q1 and watch NVIDIA add $15 worth of Vram to there cards and make the bus with a tiny bit bigger on a refresh and just blow AMD cards out of the water. Or pray for Intel to do something...
Right now my hobby money is gone into far better things then this stupid game liver service BS. Or graphic cards with 60% profit margins that people are okay with. And fake frames nonsense wars.
7900xtx should cost max 499-599$ at launch...even now its like 1 year old gpu and still at 900$+ xD
Maybe next year 7900xtx as a 8700xt for 599$ but we will be in a recession by that time xD
I dont see a point of 500-550$ 7800xt that performance should cost 299-350$ by now after 3 years lol
Nvidia have a year worth of supply on hand , no they will not make super cards , cause every new gaming GPU Nvidia sells it takes away their AI revenue,
Would you like to make $600.00 on gaming GPU or $40000.00 on 1 h100 gp GPU sold ?
Cmon Jensen is not dumb to please you dumb fanboy , he's making money , crazy money , he has over 25 billion worth of AI GPUs to make , think about it dumb dumb.
You know they all do a partial limited first run to sell out for marketing purposes... You guys know this right? Secondly. You guys know because the GPU's are using the infinity fabric concept... and this mean LAG... Right? This means you got the 7800XT (and the rest of the 7000 series) has the LAG problem with slows it's performance against last generations GPU's
You're coping bro. Faster cards than this exist on infinity fabric so yeah, obviously its slower for reasons.
You do realize that all AMD GPUs since Vega have used Infinity Fabric, right? That includes the RX6000 GPUs.