@@RetroBreak emulation is immensely different. people with real hardware are all aware of emulation, its basically the same having to learn how to connect cables over having to learn how each individual emulator or front end work. they both have their pro's and cons.
I've got one of the old framemeister xrgb mini upscalers that were all the rage a few years back, but nobody seems to mention nowadays. Its starting to show its age a bit up aginst the new kids on the block (takes a while to re-sync on resolution change), but other than that, it still looks fantastic and works great with pretty much anything in the pre-hdmi era. Might also be worth considering if you can get hold of one second hand at a sensible price.
Sorry I forgot about the OG! I think the framemeister would be in the same category as the original OSSC, so the 480i issue would remain. It’s only the newer upscalers that include the motion adaptive deinterlacing
Hooked up my Star Wars Video Games i did. There was no try, only do. Yoda in HD say, "HD M i" Ha-Ha!! Thanks 4 the Retro Break! May the Cables be with you!
If you are running consoles with RGB SCART at 240p or 480i then connect them to a RetroTink 2X SCART to line double to 480p with HDMI output. Much cheaper than the 5x or 4K. Also try putting the HDMI output from the RetroTink into a mClassic to upscale to 1080p, it looks amazing. I run everything lower than 1080p through the mClassic including PS3, Xbox 360 & Switch (all three of which I force to render at 720p)
I would never go the upscaler route. Best is a high-spec SCART CRT with both S-video/RGB Scart, or a golden-age TV (2008-2010) as those have good panels, high contrast, wide-gamut CCFL backlight that ages very well or top of the line fullHD plasma, and the upscalers in there are still designed with 240p/480i consoles in mind with good decombing/deinterlacing. I you want to play on a more modern HDMI-only screen (which I would not want because of bloatware/crapOS/adware either) just kill the entire OS and hookup a Nvidia shield or something, and emulate all systems on that.
I buy plug n play options. Analogue PC engine, SNES, Megadrive, NES/FC. I only need an upscan converter for GC/PS2/PS1/3DO which I will buy the Retrotink 5x. Most of my consoles are USA/JP versions from the PS2 era.. and some of the consoles now have HDMI dongles from this era.. Like the Dreamcast which is only about £30 tops. If you want the absolute best from an original console from this era you really need component cables upscaled. As the HDMI dongles just natively pass through the 480i/p signal. Which is not going to be as good as component upscaled. I don't use composite/svideo anymore except for light gun games.
I really hope you know that the Morph4K only has 1 HDMI input, so no analog inputs at all. You can probably use the OSSC to just pass the signal trough to the Morph, but it is still something that is good to know.
I know, i'm planning to use the output from my HDMI splitter to feed into it. Eventually I might get the analogue adaptor, or just save up for the RetroTink instead, and then sell the OSSC and Morph.
@@RetroBreakI can’t speak to the morph but I own a retrotink 4k and it is an amazing machine. I also own a Sony PVM for comparison and I have to say your retro games will never look better on a flat panel than through the tink 4k. They are expensive but when you consider how many consoles can be connected at once it’s the only solution you will ever need! The CRT filtering is really what you are buying this for as upscaling to 4k alone will not produce the look and feel of a crt display. Get one, I promise you will not regret it and I or plenty of people on the discord could help you get the most from it dialling in the settings
I use original everything to play my consoles. If I can't afford it, I don't play it. I have been collecting for 20 plus years but I collect to play, not show off on youtube or to sell. Therefore I want my experience to be as close to the original way it was. I hate hdmi retro games. Also I only play pre ps2 games on crt...period.
If I didn’t make videos and need to capture gameplay, I’d probably just stick with originals and CRT as well, there really is no comparison, even with the upscalers getting closer and closer to mimicking it. It’s still not quite there yet.
Fuck yeah dude. Same here. I mean, I have emulators around but I never really use them. Just doesn't hit the same. Got my old CRT too. It's small, but I've had it for 35 years. Love it.
@@RetroBreak Capturing gameplay shall be done over RGB scart on a 14" full flat consumer Trinitron in 4K/50/60 through a 60-100mm macro lens. No excuse to do otherwise.
There is another option for rgb compatible consoles (i.e. ps2). You can make your own vga cable and play on a computer crt monitor. This is said to be the best quality looking experience. You'll need two cables for sacrifice: The original cable that goes to your console and a vga cable (usually a male one but there are monitors that have a male connector on them so you need a female cable). Schematics are on the internet and depends on your console. I had everything except the male vga cable that could not find anywhere so I could not do it.
You couldn't find a male VGA cable? They are so cheap online man. I've thrown at least a hundred away from work/home too. Not exaggerating either lol we just toss them whenever they turn up.
@@kurchak I have like 5 VGA cables, all females. Looked for a male one in local stores, only females. Searched online in local markets, all female. Maybe I'm confusing the polarities, but that doesn't change the fact that I can not find the right end for me: My monitor has an integrated cable and the end is "hollow", I call that female but it might as well be the male because it has the metal pins. On the other side we have graphics cards whose vga port is "beveled", I call that male but it might as well be the female because it has the holes. Hope this clears it out.
VGA monitors hardly support 16kHz. You need a line doubler. IMO for north American people, the best option is a Commodore 1084 screen. It has RGB, TTL RGBi (CGA), composite and chroma-luma (S-video) inputs, and all on the back.
Why not just use the newer versions of the KAICO adaptors? Some are not very good, but the new one they do for the Dreamcast and GameCube are absolutely superb.
Here in the EU thinking, what the heck is the desire for silver-painting TV's, hauling 30"+ CRTs and people considering WOODGRAIN on their electronics....
Great video! Ive been collecting consoles and this will really help!
Love the tidy hair cut (I'm a barber)
am an emulator guy, i watch channels like this for the awesome games i can play on pc.
Thinking of doing a video on emulators soon too, there's a lot of interesting things going on in that space!
@@RetroBreak emulation is immensely different. people with real hardware are all aware of emulation, its basically the same having to learn how to connect cables over having to learn how each individual emulator or front end work. they both have their pro's and cons.
I've got one of the old framemeister xrgb mini upscalers that were all the rage a few years back, but nobody seems to mention nowadays. Its starting to show its age a bit up aginst the new kids on the block (takes a while to re-sync on resolution change), but other than that, it still looks fantastic and works great with pretty much anything in the pre-hdmi era. Might also be worth considering if you can get hold of one second hand at a sensible price.
Sorry I forgot about the OG! I think the framemeister would be in the same category as the original OSSC, so the 480i issue would remain. It’s only the newer upscalers that include the motion adaptive deinterlacing
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Hooked up my Star Wars Video Games i did. There was no try, only do. Yoda in HD say, "HD M i" Ha-Ha!! Thanks 4 the Retro Break! May the Cables be with you!
If you are running consoles with RGB SCART at 240p or 480i then connect them to a RetroTink 2X SCART to line double to 480p with HDMI output. Much cheaper than the 5x or 4K. Also try putting the HDMI output from the RetroTink into a mClassic to upscale to 1080p, it looks amazing. I run everything lower than 1080p through the mClassic including PS3, Xbox 360 & Switch (all three of which I force to render at 720p)
My goodness! I've been emulating my retro games for 25+ years. I have totally missed the boat on all the video out trivia!
If you don't have a CRT, continue to do so. Nothing wrong with it. I love blocky integer upscaling and palette-mods (C64 colours yikes!).
I would never go the upscaler route. Best is a high-spec SCART CRT with both S-video/RGB Scart, or a golden-age TV (2008-2010) as those have good panels, high contrast, wide-gamut CCFL backlight that ages very well or top of the line fullHD plasma, and the upscalers in there are still designed with 240p/480i consoles in mind with good decombing/deinterlacing. I you want to play on a more modern HDMI-only screen (which I would not want because of bloatware/crapOS/adware either) just kill the entire OS and hookup a Nvidia shield or something, and emulate all systems on that.
I buy plug n play options. Analogue PC engine, SNES, Megadrive, NES/FC. I only need an upscan converter for GC/PS2/PS1/3DO which I will buy the Retrotink 5x. Most of my consoles are USA/JP versions from the PS2 era.. and some of the consoles now have HDMI dongles from this era.. Like the Dreamcast which is only about £30 tops. If you want the absolute best from an original console from this era you really need component cables upscaled. As the HDMI dongles just natively pass through the 480i/p signal. Which is not going to be as good as component upscaled. I don't use composite/svideo anymore except for light gun games.
Love the analogue consoles, and clone systems in general, will definitely do a dedicated video on them one day :D
I really hope you know that the Morph4K only has 1 HDMI input, so no analog inputs at all. You can probably use the OSSC to just pass the signal trough to the Morph, but it is still something that is good to know.
I know, i'm planning to use the output from my HDMI splitter to feed into it. Eventually I might get the analogue adaptor, or just save up for the RetroTink instead, and then sell the OSSC and Morph.
@@RetroBreakI can’t speak to the morph but I own a retrotink 4k and it is an amazing machine.
I also own a Sony PVM for comparison and I have to say your retro games will never look better on a flat panel than through the tink 4k.
They are expensive but when you consider how many consoles can be connected at once it’s the only solution you will ever need!
The CRT filtering is really what you are buying this for as upscaling to 4k alone will not produce the look and feel of a crt display.
Get one, I promise you will not regret it and I or plenty of people on the discord could help you get the most from it dialling in the settings
I use original everything to play my consoles. If I can't afford it, I don't play it. I have been collecting for 20 plus years but I collect to play, not show off on youtube or to sell. Therefore I want my experience to be as close to the original way it was. I hate hdmi retro games. Also I only play pre ps2 games on crt...period.
If I didn’t make videos and need to capture gameplay, I’d probably just stick with originals and CRT as well, there really is no comparison, even with the upscalers getting closer and closer to mimicking it. It’s still not quite there yet.
Fuck yeah dude. Same here. I mean, I have emulators around but I never really use them. Just doesn't hit the same. Got my old CRT too. It's small, but I've had it for 35 years. Love it.
@@RetroBreak Capturing gameplay shall be done over RGB scart on a 14" full flat consumer Trinitron in 4K/50/60 through a 60-100mm macro lens. No excuse to do otherwise.
There is another option for rgb compatible consoles (i.e. ps2). You can make your own vga cable and play on a computer crt monitor. This is said to be the best quality looking experience. You'll need two cables for sacrifice: The original cable that goes to your console and a vga cable (usually a male one but there are monitors that have a male connector on them so you need a female cable). Schematics are on the internet and depends on your console. I had everything except the male vga cable that could not find anywhere so I could not do it.
You couldn't find a male VGA cable? They are so cheap online man. I've thrown at least a hundred away from work/home too. Not exaggerating either lol we just toss them whenever they turn up.
@@kurchak I have like 5 VGA cables, all females. Looked for a male one in local stores, only females. Searched online in local markets, all female.
Maybe I'm confusing the polarities, but that doesn't change the fact that I can not find the right end for me: My monitor has an integrated cable and the end is "hollow", I call that female but it might as well be the male because it has the metal pins. On the other side we have graphics cards whose vga port is "beveled", I call that male but it might as well be the female because it has the holes.
Hope this clears it out.
VGA monitors hardly support 16kHz. You need a line doubler. IMO for north American people, the best option is a Commodore 1084 screen. It has RGB, TTL RGBi (CGA), composite and chroma-luma (S-video) inputs, and all on the back.
Have you ever heard of a better component cable brand known as HD Retrovision for Wii, PS2, SNES, PS1 and Genesis (Mega Drive)?
Why not just use the newer versions of the KAICO adaptors? Some are not very good, but the new one they do for the Dreamcast and GameCube are absolutely superb.
I seem to recall you mentioning a discord. I've looked but cant find links to one. Do you have one?
Should be in the description, if not go to my website and click discord in the menu - RetroBreak.co.uk
@@RetroBreak thanks, will do 👍
See you over there :)
Use a PS3 to natively play PS1 games with HDMI output
And the fatter original PS3 can do that for the vast majority of the PS2 library, so yea a PS3 really works wonders if you get the right one
Upscalers are crap
Here in the US thinking "...what the hell is a SCART" LOL
Here in the EU thinking, what the heck is the desire for silver-painting TV's, hauling 30"+ CRTs and people considering WOODGRAIN on their electronics....
Cool content man, thanks. God bless. Jesus loves you!
Oh boy, I'm going to blow your mind with this thing called emulators.
OMG 🤯
Original hardware gang rise up
@@thatchamsmostwanted more power to those who can afford it or have space for it. There's a couple of systems I wish I had kept or could find cheap
You know that playing retro games is just a half of this hobby, right? ;)
He is talking about CRT and HDMI...what's your IQ ??? not close too 100