Um, i live in Australia where it is currently winter and it's 24 degrees celcius today. Soap doesn't melt otherwise we'd wouldn't have soap here which we most certainly do......
@@ShadowAussieDirect sunlight can melt boar soap to a certain point but yours is probably in the shade in the bathroom all day. Also you get different kinds of soap. Glycerine soap can melt under your armpit.
@@leyruaSee below comment - I made a mistake, what I've said is correct, just not relevant. -XX so it's actually not about acidity, but hardness/softness. Out of all of the UK nations, england has by far the worst quality water, specifically because it is 'hard' water, this means it has a LOT of minerals dissovled into it, stuff like calcium from river beds (most of the rivers sources are further north, like in scotland, so by the time it reach england, its travelled a long way across high-clay content soil etc.) So, basically, the water simply can't dissovle much else, its already full (the chemistry term is saturated). XX
Soap is surprisingly durable, actually. Idk what mix they used specifically for the statue ofc, but it's kinda like wax statues. They aren't everlasting, but when they're big enough, it takes a while for humidity and rain to get through all the layers. Which explains why the statue lost parts where there were thinner points but remained overall pretty much intact. Too many layers.
London weather used to be rainy. Overcast and muggy in Summer, overcast and chilly in Winter. British soap resists all Nature's efforts to wash it away. 😂
It was a friend of his, William Strode, who commissioned it after the duke’s death. It was/is also common to have statues face where they’re linked to, Lord Nelson faces Trafalgar for example.
True. Scots are still viewed as untermenschen, on the one hand they have a point but on the other it's hypocritical when you consider Scotland's strategic value. Plus the fact that they could become independent (if they could suppress the last vestiges of anti-Catholic activity)
Clay! He should’ve used unfired clay! I had my students make buildings of clay from drawings we did on an outing. They had to then photograph each of them. We then put them on a table outside as a little city. It was deliberately placed where sun and rain could get to it. Each week we took photos of the decay until all that was left were ruins and puddles of clay. It would’ve worked perfectly for the recreation of the statue.
@@xander1052 I was an art teacher. I know what firing clay does.. Despite the typo, clay is the raw material, bisque is the first firing. If I had fired the clay, it wouldn’t have ended up in “puddles of clay”.
@@annikabjornson998 Uhhmm.. You've heard of the U.S., haven't you? 😅 Whole battles took place here that are looked upon as victories when in reality were nothing more than the mass genocide of the indigenous people who resided here before those who came to take over the land as their own. Plaques and statues have been put up, dedicating them to the victory of those battles, as well. Some of such said battles even bare alternate names which include the word genocide in their title, but we're not taught that growing up in school. I wonder why that is. 🙃
I dunno man there are statues of lots of people like Mahatma Gandhi, Terry Fox (look him up he was a great guy), Martin Luthor King jr and other humanitarians.
There's a statue in Boston of the guy who invented anaesthetic and I wouldn't be shocked if *somewhere* on earth was a statue of Norman Borlaug, who saved a billion people from starvation, but most statues are of people who were good at killing
@londoner9401 oh my god- Soldiers are not supposed to do that- it’s seen as dishonorable and pretty sure it’s a war crime Edit: wow... it's interesting how many of you have jumped at my comment assuming I know nothing about the history of war. Honestly, it's a bit funny to me considering I worked at a historic fort museum for years.
@snowdroprambles That's because you know nothing of honour, let alone law of war. Soldiers who run away are still soldiers, and letting the ennemy retreat is letting the ennemy regroup. A retreat could be feigned, allowing the ennemy to take the upper hand on a tricked opponent. It's only once a soldier surrenders that he stops being considered as such and becomes a legitimate prisoner, not to be harmed under any circumstances. This is breaching this very rule that earned the Duke of Cumberland his reputation, not killing retreating soldiers, which is a completely legitimate action in war for the reasons aforementioned.
@@mookragethere were even rules of war and terms of engagement recorded in ancient Greece, and were treated as old and established not new fangled liberal democrat niceness. Turns out even soldiers through most of history thought generals that killed prisoners, retreaters, and civilians were dicks and agreed the whole thing is less costly and more efficient without random chaos thrown in for lols
There is a statue in New Mexico of Spanish conquistador Don Juan de Oñate with a right foot cut off by Native American vandals to remind everyone of how he enslaved a whole village and cut off the right foot of every male over 25. I think this is a way better move than simply removing the statue. Now everyone asks why the foot is missing and finds out about the man’s cruelty. It also shows that a grudge can go on for centuries and come back to bite one in the foot.
Well, certainly for ones that were put up recently I think we should just bin the whole lot. Like, a lot of places in the us have statures of not great people which were built during the jim crow era to honnor those not so great people😬 I don't think anyone should be defending those as like valuable for some reason to have on display on public land in parks. The soap statue though, if you could come up with a way to do that and have it work would be amazing. Or like symbolically defacing like your example 10/10
This is beautifully poetic. What a wretched, horrible man. Edit: I looked it up and was disheartened to learn that there’s a statue of him at the airport in El Paso. It’s supposedly the largest equestrian statue in the world and because of its great size (and probably it’s busy location) vandalizing it by cutting off its foot, or even spray painting it, is difficult or impossible. I wish El Paso would take a note from Alcalde, NM.
@@Annie_Annie__ Ex El Pasoan, here... yeah the people of EP actually voted to name it "The Equestrian" because they all know the history and feel "it's complicated." And it is, but not sure why he needs to have a statue, then. He is the main reason EP ever became a large inhabited area... but the way he did that was awful and filled with atrocities. Putting up a statue in a way idolizes or at least commemorates a person. We can remember history without statues.
@@EricaGametI love the desecration done to the statue, though. I'm all for desecrating controversial statues as means to insult their memory further, on top of pointing out to people that the person was a POS. Also, I figure the statues can make for decent effigies in sites meant for recreational environmental destruction.
@@bigddannyflynn-filmmaker5694 no i wouldnt, idc who died, im just glad scottish clans are gone, all of them could of died including the general who got the statue
By 1868 it had fallen into such a state of disrepair that it was taken down, supposedly for restoration. Then it just quietly didn’t get put back and disappeared, because nobody cared. It wouldn't surprise me if it got melted down as scrap during WW1.
As an English person, I just want to say that I'm so very sorry to any Scots for what we have done to you all in the past. Same with Irish and Welsh and all the others we've done wrong. You all have a beautiful country, amazing people and beautiful languages! I felt like I needed to say this. I'm sorry for all we have done to everyone.
Scottish person here recently visited the battle of culloden battle field and history museum and the amount of people that were killed while running away and after the battle due to him giving the order to kill everyone who was injured was disgusting as the people from the nearby town would sneak onto the battlefield and where killed just for being there. I understand that it was a war but what he did was absolutely appalling and horrible. While I love history I will never condone killing innocent people the injured ones I can understand if nothing could be done and they were making so they wouldn’t suffer but a lot of them could have been helped.
Well, he was the king's brother, and his sister lived in Cavendish Square, and his friend paid for it, so... It didn't mean that he was considered a hero by most people at the time.
The fact that it was facing Scotland is like rubbing salt on a wound. It is hard to not take this positioning personally or to believe it was accidental.
I realized that controversial statues were nothing new when I was taking a class on 20th century American poetry and read a poem called Ready to Kill by Carl Sandburg. It is about how the common labourer is not appreciated even though their labour is needed and necessary for everyday things such as clothes and food, yet there are all these statues of generals who are just known for killing and bloodshed and war. He talks about how he would be ok with these statues if there were just as many or more statues appreciating the common labourer. I remember when I first read it that it really stuck with me because this poem, that was written over 100 years ago, felt so relevant even now. It is one of my favorite poems from that class and now one of my favorite poems. It definitely made me interested in reading more of Carl Sandburg's works.
The difference is between monuents and statues. Classically speaking, a statue must represent a person, while a monument must represent an idea. If I built a monument consisting of an early 20th century youth with an I-beam over his shoulder, and dedicated to all the laborers that toiled under later 19th/early 20th century industrial revolution labor exploitation, thar would be a thing. But I can't make a statue without directly referencing a specific person. That being said, the monument covers reverence for more people than the statue, so you end up with less monuments than statues.
I like how they took down the statue of a bad man and then someone made a new one in a specific way purely because they thought it’d let them watch him rot in real time. And it didn’t even work
I have no sympathy for a "butcher of Culloden", Though the is a part of me that can't help but think there's something amusing and ironic that the British Rains literally could not dissolve the soap statue, as though the the very land of England itself hates the Scots.
I've just been reading "Monumental Lies: Culture Wars and the Truth about the Past" by Robert Bevan it has tonnes of examples of famous iconoclast events including this one as well as some interesting takes on architecture and urbanism. Well worth the read!
(had the wrong song before because it's been a few ages since I've heard either song & made a very weird screw up) Ye Jacobites by Name - Seven Nations is my preferred version (The song I weirdly mixed it up with is A Pound a Week Rise of which I also prefer the Seven Nations version)
Bunch of Scots feudal lords got pissed at having a German protestants as king so they invited the son and the grandson of the last Catholic king They win a couple of battles then the government gets it act together and tears the traitors a new one
Anybody else remember seeing a skit of someone playing a guy who specializes in making racist statues, because they would get torn down and he would get another commission for a new statue?
Troops withdrawing are still valid targets. If they don’t want to be killed, then the need to surrender. Was he expected to let them regroup, have some rest, then come back at him? Was Harold in the wrong for chasing those Frenchies down the hill? Oh yes, I suppose that was a bit of a mistake.
Where on earth did you get that idea? It was the Jacobite army of Charles Stuart, with some help from French soldiers. They invaded England and then got their arses kicked.
@@k9_kadaver I'm picturing packs of blood-mawed ponies appearing out of the mist and terrorizing the local villagers. Parents scaring children with cautionary tales of lone travellers chilled to the bone by echoes across the moonlit land of a blood-curdling "neigh". Ponies of the Baskervilles.
😂 Omigod! I er, I could've told them soap is weirdly durable in the open elements; I've stuck soap chips in my plant pots in the hopes of repelling bad bugs, and not even a Canadian winter did anything much! (It also proved useless against the bugs.)
Here in Canada we are having problems with the statues of sir John A MacDonald and the schools named after him are changing their names due to the damage he caused 150,000.00 children of the First Nations people and their families since he became our first prime minister in 1867
In America, we're never in a garden unless a wealthy person is paying us. We're not allowed to be in them unless were staving off bankruptcy from medical bills.
I don't blame anyone for demolishing anything related to the Duke of Cumberland. Most people don't know about the 'Jacobite Rebellion' but he's a historical shame, as well as a stain upon British Military history. Don't mention the Dukes name to any Scott, because he's still despised. I still believe in Scottish independence. For those who don't know their history, the Duke treated the Scott's akin to how the American Cavalry decimated the Native American Indian population.
The key difference is one guy was a butcher of all people and the other was a founding father of an entire country who gave birth to an entire nation but because he came from a time period where everyone was racist we forget everything he did and boil it down to how he was racist. Which really confused me as to why some people are so hung up on the past like that.
Imagine putting up a statue of a gigantic penis, people complain they don't want to view that in a park, then you replace it with one made of soap so that it would slowly disolve away... Like... I dont think they understood the assignment...
The message would be very different though. When you replace someone's statue with one made of soap, you insult their name by erroding their immortality granted by the statue. When you replace a statue of a giant penis by one made of soap, you just make the place smellier and stickier than it needs to be
Holy crap. I didn't know about the soap thing. This is why artist needs to take stem classes and vice versa because anyone could tell you how resilient soap is. You need active weathering on it in order to tear it down. Just having it sit in order will not fastly. Dissolve it like it's in a cartoon.
We have quite a few things in the States named after the same guy…also because of the Battle of Culloden. The most popular is probably the Cumberland Gap.
I remember watching a documentary on the Battle of Culloden - twice - in high school: that's where I first heard the term, "grape shot." I don't recall much - except that it was a bloody battle, and I believe it was decisive enough that - until recently - Scotland ceased it efforts to separate from the U.K. There's so much I don't know, so watching your Shorts and longer videos has been a pleasure here in 2023.
I'm sorry, I didn't hear anything you said after "sits this empty plinth", because at the use of that word my brain clicked over to Dimension 20 Starstruck Odyssey "operation slippery puppet" stuff and "~all i see is Plinth~" 😅
I recall that a museum got in trouble for putting a statue that was toppled and thrown in the Thames in its collection. They then got criticized for doing so, even though they told everyone, yes we agree with you. That's why we are putting it in the collection.
Anyone who has watched Outlander feels pain when the Battle of Culloden is mentioned 💔 The soap statue should have been made hollow - sculpt a model, cast it, use it to cast a hollow soap statue - it would have been far less durable 😂
@@demo2823 He literally set his slaves free out of his own volition like 2 years before the Emancipation Proclamation. He himself said slavery was repugnant and that he would gladly set every slave in the south free if he could, especially after the war started.
Cumberland County North Carolina is named after him. It was settled by Scottish survivors (or their families since he ordered no quarter). The name was picked by the government to remind the Scots to stay in line.
I didn't know about this statue! It was kind of strange that "a bloke" who killed people that were running away... would get a statue. Now, I know how that statue, even in 1868, was removed over this controversy. Thanks for the history lesson!
It's a really unflattering sculpture too! I'm surprised she didn't realise it would last, cos I was under the impression she did her sculpture work like EXCLUSIVELY in soap....
@@Blazedreptile Erm, do you not read books? If you want to know about the full course of history all you need is to check out history books. Statues are commemorative public pieces-- awful people do not need to be commemorated. You can simply read about them in history books etc. If you notice in your example about slavery, it's usually statues/memorials of *enslaved* people, not the slave *owners* ! Again, if you genuinely are interested in learning history, you would recognize history books provide much more information, without unnecessary commemoration, than a statue.
@@Blazedreptile Those statues of slavers should be taken down. They can be replaced with statues of the people whose lives they negatively affected and conversation about the same history will be sparked. In short: we can commemorate people who were *not* slave owners and still spark conversation about the history of slavery. How do you read about something you don’t know? Are you being serious with this question? People do it everyday. I don’t know much about European history so I picked up European history books. It’s that simple. If you don’t know much about slavery and want to learn more, you read multiple books, accounts, watch well researched documentaries, and can go to museums to see the things you’ve learned about and now have a much stronger grasp of the history around it. Seeing one statue is in no way an adequate substitute for actual deep learning. Statues are not a replacement for actual education. You learn more about the history of the word and humans by actually picking up various history books, watching lectures from researchers and professors, etc. I would wager that you haven’t picked up any books, given your strong insistence that somehow a statue of a slave owner is necessary to “spark conversation”, when it easily could be a statue honoring enslaved people and still shed light on the same history.
@@Blazedreptileit‘s this novel concept called going to a library. Not sure if you’ve heard but they have a broad collection of books there, with a lot of them being historical.
So, killing the fleeing enemy isn’t allowed? That’s literally the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. When the enemy breaks and runs you don’t sit and watch them run off…
No, it's allowed, but when you invade another country and slaughter the people there, don't expect people to like you. Necrophilia is also legal in a good portion of the US, but if your friend fucked a corpse you'd probably break things off.
They can take down statues, but England’s attitude towards the Scottish people hasn’t changed. Recent events in parliament have proven that. Scotland is occupied through an undemocratic union
Fun fact: Killing soldiers who are running away has never been considered illegal. You have to surrender otherwise you could resume fighting later. The Duke of Cumberland earned his reputation because of his actions in the days after the battle including encouraging his soldiers not to take prisoners.
One of the things he ordered was that the wounded Scots left on the field would be put to death on the spot, no trial. Normally the wounded would be collected, given medical treatment as POWs and either serve a long prison sentence, be sold as indentured servants with a fee to pay back for freedom, or if they were wealthy or important ransomed back to their family for a large amount of land or money
@@pleasehelp2446exterminating enemy soldiers has been the historic norm, its only relatively few nations, mostly western european who do things like showing mercy to enemies, killing wounded soldiers is simply the endpoint of what you were gonna do whilst fighting to start with, mentioning no trial is a bit absurd to even bring up, they were both there to kill eachother, that some stopped being able to fight and were killed is not controversial, or shouldnt be, unless you subscribe to notions of chivalry and honour, which do I have news for you there because for the most part, outside of people from western and parts of eastern europe, no one else in the world is known for doing that in war.
@@worldcomicsreview354 this guy gets it, now replace legal with moral and you then understand most of world history and almost all the wars ever fought, including the world wars, might makes right was never about being literally right, it was about being the only ones able to make that claim because you have either silenced or killed all who could refute you, it even describes politics in general, especially these days.
We cant judge everyone from the past by our standards, eventually we will tear down every statue if we do. I believe that if someone was regarded well enough by the people of their time to have a statue built, we should not take it down.
Ah well that's the thing, even his contemporaries thought he was an evil scumbag, though he was praised at first. "Butcher Cumberland" is the name he got, during his lifetime.
Friendly reminder that the UK regularly names Oliver Cromwell as one of the greatest Brits to ever live and honors him with statues. Cromwell was also a genocidal maniac who colonized Ireland, ensuring future generations of Irish continuing to suffer under British colonial rule.
near where I live in Mexico there was a statue of Hernan Cortés (one of the most powerful conquerors) and it got so damaged by people it got replaced by Moctesuma shortly
I personally think these controversial statues should be left up, just put up a sign saying vandalism is encouraged on this statue and watch the entertainment roll in. Then people would wonder why the statues are left to be abused, they might research it and then they learn something new.😊
That's an interesting approach, to be honest. However, there would need to be rules for what is allowed and what isn't. And for who decides what statues this applies to.
@@kosinusify as for what is and isn't allowed, I would assume the limitations reside in the already existing law, don't shoot the metal, it will ricochet, no waving around machetes those aren't legal anyway. Spray paint? Toilet paper, a hammer and chisel for stone statues? Go right ahead. Superglue a pink glittery tutu on the slave owner forever embarrassing and shaming it's memory, let me get my camera.
@londoner9401 I don't really have anything to say to this, but if people don't have enough brain cells to restrain themselves in public then I don't think the encouragement of bad behaviour is really going to change anything. Especially if it is restricted to a public attraction like I would assume this sort of thing would be.
To be fair, killing people who were running away was how you won wars back then. The important part wasn't the battle itself, it was to get the enemy morale to break, then kill as many fleeing foes as you possibly could. Then again, i know nothing about this particular battle, so maybe im missing something.
He was still a dick even back then, because rules of war have existed since Ancient Greece. Although you had a lot of sociopaths like him back in that era that ignored it and weren’t really punished for their crimes.
Over in the US, Columbia College in New York City was originally founded as King's College. There was a large statue of George III at the main entrance. When the Revolution broke out the statue was toppled, melted down, and used to make bullets for the war.
TBF the laws of ground warfare say that shooting a fleeing enemy is fine. Unless they're actively trying to surrender they're considered legitimate targets.
I think you should look more into the history of the battle of culloden. It was pretty much a massacre and the Scottish were unable to surrender even if they wanted. Have you seen game of thrones red wedding? Its based off an event that happened just before this
This is what i've heard the afghanis did against the coallition post 2001. They peaked around a corner, fired off a magazine from an AK, then threw it away to not be considered a combatant and running away, therefore making shooting at them a war crime.
@@shoepixie fair enough. OTOH...don't start nothin', won't be nothin'. Once you decide that violence is the choice for you, you don't get to bitch about things being too violent.
With the summer we've been having this year, that soap one would have been gone by September
Um, i live in Australia where it is currently winter and it's 24 degrees celcius today. Soap doesn't melt otherwise we'd wouldn't have soap here which we most certainly do......
@@ShadowAussie it's been bloody rainy over in the land of the poms that's why.
@@ShadowAussieit's raining cats and dogs this summer, that's why the soap would dissolve in a matter of weeks.
@@ShadowAussieDirect sunlight can melt boar soap to a certain point but yours is probably in the shade in the bathroom all day. Also you get different kinds of soap. Glycerine soap can melt under your armpit.
@@ShadowAussie unlike the rest of the world, wilting under the effects of climate change, London has had rain 80% of the time since 1st July.
The most cursed part of this is the revelation that English rainwater can't dissolve soap.
IKR? How LOW is the acidity of their rain anyway?
@@leyruaSee below comment - I made a mistake, what I've said is correct, just not relevant. -XX so it's actually not about acidity, but hardness/softness. Out of all of the UK nations, england has by far the worst quality water, specifically because it is 'hard' water, this means it has a LOT of minerals dissovled into it, stuff like calcium from river beds (most of the rivers sources are further north, like in scotland, so by the time it reach england, its travelled a long way across high-clay content soil etc.)
So, basically, the water simply can't dissovle much else, its already full (the chemistry term is saturated). XX
@@CampbellWolfe Uh, rainwater is always soft. It only becomes hard when it becomes groundwater where minerals from rocks can leach in.
@@Croz89 Oh yeah, good point, haha - whoops
Soap is surprisingly durable, actually. Idk what mix they used specifically for the statue ofc, but it's kinda like wax statues. They aren't everlasting, but when they're big enough, it takes a while for humidity and rain to get through all the layers.
Which explains why the statue lost parts where there were thinner points but remained overall pretty much intact. Too many layers.
My main takeaway from this video is that soap is surprisingly durable
Indeed we should revaluate it's usefulness as a construction material.
Should have put some irrigation on it. Nothing destroys soap more than being constantly wet.
Soap house
@@swearimnotarobot3746 soap brothel
London weather used to be rainy. Overcast and muggy in Summer, overcast and chilly in Winter. British soap resists all Nature's efforts to wash it away. 😂
Having the statue face towards Scotland does rather imply things about the people who had it put up.
It was a friend of his, William Strode, who commissioned it after the duke’s death. It was/is also common to have statues face where they’re linked to, Lord Nelson faces Trafalgar for example.
@@kreeger7But... he's in Trafalgar Square. He could be facing any way.
@@demo2823 Trafalgar as in the place in Spain
@@demo2823Cor, fuc'n 'ell...
True. Scots are still viewed as untermenschen, on the one hand they have a point but on the other it's hypocritical when you consider Scotland's strategic value. Plus the fact that they could become independent (if they could suppress the last vestiges of anti-Catholic activity)
Clay! He should’ve used unfired clay! I had my students make buildings of clay from drawings we did on an outing. They had to then photograph each of them. We then put them on a table outside as a little city. It was deliberately placed where sun and rain could get to it. Each week we took photos of the decay until all that was left were ruins and puddles of clay. It would’ve worked perfectly for the recreation of the statue.
unfired clay would do that better as firing clay does improve it's ability to resist dissolving in water.
@@xander1052I think they meant unfired clay and “us fired” was a typo
@@Larissawesome Thank you! Of course I did! 😃
@@xander1052 I was an art teacher. I know what firing clay does.. Despite the typo, clay is the raw material, bisque is the first firing. If I had fired the clay, it wouldn’t have ended up in “puddles of clay”.
Also soap is like a chemical contaminant and hardens in sunlight
For once, I knew a piece of history! Thank you Outlander 😂
Same! And bonus fact: my town is named after this horrid man by someone who fanboyed over him! 😮
That was me too! Hey I've heard of that guy for once.
Yup!!!
Mind boggling that a statue was put up for a “ battle” that was pretty much intended as a genocide.
@@annikabjornson998 Uhhmm.. You've heard of the U.S., haven't you? 😅 Whole battles took place here that are looked upon as victories when in reality were nothing more than the mass genocide of the indigenous people who resided here before those who came to take over the land as their own. Plaques and statues have been put up, dedicating them to the victory of those battles, as well. Some of such said battles even bare alternate names which include the word genocide in their title, but we're not taught that growing up in school. I wonder why that is. 🙃
"weirdly durable"
That's the first thing I look for on the package when I'm purchasing soap.
Same...
Now.
Captain Reynolds (Firefly TV series): "I reckon every man that ever had a statue made of him was some kinda S.O.B. or other."
God firefly was the best
I always have to respect someone who can use a Firefly reference. I still think it was a great show. 👍
And, that's a very appropriate quote.
I dunno man there are statues of lots of people like Mahatma Gandhi, Terry Fox (look him up he was a great guy), Martin Luthor King jr and other humanitarians.
And Jayne Cobb got a statue!
There's a statue in Boston of the guy who invented anaesthetic and I wouldn't be shocked if *somewhere* on earth was a statue of Norman Borlaug, who saved a billion people from starvation, but most statues are of people who were good at killing
“Killed a lot of people who were running away!”
Sounds like a wonderful man. Clearly he just wanted to be hated for all of time… and it worked.
@londoner9401 oh my god- Soldiers are not supposed to do that- it’s seen as dishonorable and pretty sure it’s a war crime
Edit: wow... it's interesting how many of you have jumped at my comment assuming I know nothing about the history of war. Honestly, it's a bit funny to me considering I worked at a historic fort museum for years.
@snowdroprambles That's because you know nothing of honour, let alone law of war.
Soldiers who run away are still soldiers, and letting the ennemy retreat is letting the ennemy regroup.
A retreat could be feigned, allowing the ennemy to take the upper hand on a tricked opponent.
It's only once a soldier surrenders that he stops being considered as such and becomes a legitimate prisoner, not to be harmed under any circumstances.
This is breaching this very rule that earned the Duke of Cumberland his reputation, not killing retreating soldiers, which is a completely legitimate action in war for the reasons aforementioned.
@@KindredKayenot back then
@@mookragethere were even rules of war and terms of engagement recorded in ancient Greece, and were treated as old and established not new fangled liberal democrat niceness.
Turns out even soldiers through most of history thought generals that killed prisoners, retreaters, and civilians were dicks and agreed the whole thing is less costly and more efficient without random chaos thrown in for lols
@@Rynewulfso what youre saying is Ancient Greece had different rules and norms
There is a statue in New Mexico of Spanish conquistador Don Juan de Oñate with a right foot cut off by Native American vandals to remind everyone of how he enslaved a whole village and cut off the right foot of every male over 25. I think this is a way better move than simply removing the statue. Now everyone asks why the foot is missing and finds out about the man’s cruelty. It also shows that a grudge can go on for centuries and come back to bite one in the foot.
I love this
Well, certainly for ones that were put up recently I think we should just bin the whole lot. Like, a lot of places in the us have statures of not great people which were built during the jim crow era to honnor those not so great people😬
I don't think anyone should be defending those as like valuable for some reason to have on display on public land in parks.
The soap statue though, if you could come up with a way to do that and have it work would be amazing. Or like symbolically defacing like your example 10/10
This is beautifully poetic. What a wretched, horrible man.
Edit: I looked it up and was disheartened to learn that there’s a statue of him at the airport in El Paso. It’s supposedly the largest equestrian statue in the world and because of its great size (and probably it’s busy location) vandalizing it by cutting off its foot, or even spray painting it, is difficult or impossible.
I wish El Paso would take a note from Alcalde, NM.
@@Annie_Annie__ Ex El Pasoan, here... yeah the people of EP actually voted to name it "The Equestrian" because they all know the history and feel "it's complicated." And it is, but not sure why he needs to have a statue, then. He is the main reason EP ever became a large inhabited area... but the way he did that was awful and filled with atrocities. Putting up a statue in a way idolizes or at least commemorates a person. We can remember history without statues.
@@EricaGametI love the desecration done to the statue, though. I'm all for desecrating controversial statues as means to insult their memory further, on top of pointing out to people that the person was a POS. Also, I figure the statues can make for decent effigies in sites meant for recreational environmental destruction.
"Weirdly durable." I'm stealing that.
It would make a very intriguing epitaph.
Pretty regular words guy
Always test the durability of your soap beforehand.
As a Scottish person this video lit a fire inside of me lol
Why? Because he killed some jacobite and ended the Scottish clan system?
It's called war, what would you prefer? People would of died either way
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 if it was the other way around I'm sure you'd feel the same lol
@@bigddannyflynn-filmmaker5694 no i wouldnt, idc who died, im just glad scottish clans are gone, all of them could of died including the general who got the statue
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 nice one mate 👍
@@datcheesecakeboi6745somebody's never been to the Culloden visitor center & battlefield
In many ex-Soviet states, they've torn down the statues of Lenin, but leave him lying down. I like the symbolism there.
They should do it like tarot cards and put him up upside down.
Have you seen the German movie Goodbye Lenin? There is a great scene involving a statue
@@Lindalindali I have! The scene where a helicopter is carrying a Lenin statue away. I haven't thought about that movie in ages...
Keeps the history but quite obviously disrespects the person/people involved.
It's a pretty cool compromise in comparison to just tearing it down imo
I saw one in Ukraine turned into Darth Vader.
They should put something nice there, like a 12ft statue of a budgie.
Giant statue of Dennis the Menace
@@connor1586now that’s more like it
Made from birdseed
Soap statue idea is underrated asf😂😂😂
“You want a statue of this awful guy, I want to see him slowly rot away. I think I have a compromise.”
Nah. Polluted the local area and likely cost the locals a fortune in cleanup of all that soap scum... pretty lame actually 😂
@@jimtaylor294nah it’s pretty creative, maybe this time with air we could do it
^ That doesn't even make grammatical sense 🤔😂
@@jimtaylor294Depends on what the soap is made out of, wouldn't it?
Huh. Did I miss the date of the statue being put up? I was trying to figure out how long it was up for before the landowners said "scrap it!"
Well Jacobites were the mid 1700s so probably a fair while it stood there
He died in 1765 and a fellow officer of his paid for it to be placed there in 1770.
I watched it multiple times to figure that out, but she didn't mention the date.
Thanks @@dzonbrodi514
By 1868 it had fallen into such a state of disrepair that it was taken down, supposedly for restoration. Then it just quietly didn’t get put back and disappeared, because nobody cared. It wouldn't surprise me if it got melted down as scrap during WW1.
As an English person, I just want to say that I'm so very sorry to any Scots for what we have done to you all in the past. Same with Irish and Welsh and all the others we've done wrong. You all have a beautiful country, amazing people and beautiful languages! I felt like I needed to say this. I'm sorry for all we have done to everyone.
Scottish person here recently visited the battle of culloden battle field and history museum and the amount of people that were killed while running away and after the battle due to him giving the order to kill everyone who was injured was disgusting as the people from the nearby town would sneak onto the battlefield and where killed just for being there. I understand that it was a war but what he did was absolutely appalling and horrible. While I love history I will never condone killing innocent people the injured ones I can understand if nothing could be done and they were making so they wouldn’t suffer but a lot of them could have been helped.
Why make a statue of a mass murderer in the first place?
To remind Scotts of what happens if they step out of line?
How barbaric!
Well, he was the king's brother, and his sister lived in Cavendish Square, and his friend paid for it, so... It didn't mean that he was considered a hero by most people at the time.
They should have just put up a sign "free soap" and it would have dissolved overnight.
The fact that it was facing Scotland is like rubbing salt on a wound. It is hard to not take this positioning personally or to believe it was accidental.
I realized that controversial statues were nothing new when I was taking a class on 20th century American poetry and read a poem called Ready to Kill by Carl Sandburg. It is about how the common labourer is not appreciated even though their labour is needed and necessary for everyday things such as clothes and food, yet there are all these statues of generals who are just known for killing and bloodshed and war. He talks about how he would be ok with these statues if there were just as many or more statues appreciating the common labourer. I remember when I first read it that it really stuck with me because this poem, that was written over 100 years ago, felt so relevant even now. It is one of my favorite poems from that class and now one of my favorite poems. It definitely made me interested in reading more of Carl Sandburg's works.
The difference is between monuents and statues. Classically speaking, a statue must represent a person, while a monument must represent an idea. If I built a monument consisting of an early 20th century youth with an I-beam over his shoulder, and dedicated to all the laborers that toiled under later 19th/early 20th century industrial revolution labor exploitation, thar would be a thing. But I can't make a statue without directly referencing a specific person.
That being said, the monument covers reverence for more people than the statue, so you end up with less monuments than statues.
I like how they took down the statue of a bad man and then someone made a new one in a specific way purely because they thought it’d let them watch him rot in real time. And it didn’t even work
I have no sympathy for a "butcher of Culloden", Though the is a part of me that can't help but think there's something amusing and ironic that the British Rains literally could not dissolve the soap statue, as though the the very land of England itself hates the Scots.
I've just been reading "Monumental Lies: Culture Wars and the Truth about the Past" by Robert Bevan it has tonnes of examples of famous iconoclast events including this one as well as some interesting takes on architecture and urbanism. Well worth the read!
Let me guess, glass boxes and undrivable roads? Truly innovative!
In other news, I learned the word "plinth" today
UK has lots of plinth-iness
Make the statoe of wax having a wick in it, and use it as an oversized candle.
Maybe get rid of the statue of Cromwell outside the Parliament in Westminster. Given his reputation in Ireland.
No
Will you do a video of the Jacobite rebellion? It seems really interesting
(had the wrong song before because it's been a few ages since I've heard either song & made a very weird screw up)
Ye Jacobites by Name - Seven Nations is my preferred version
(The song I weirdly mixed it up with is A Pound a Week Rise of which I also prefer the Seven Nations version)
Likely to be a letdown if it happens, as there be a topic that's seldom done with a whiff of accuracy 😅
Long and rather depressing.
Bunch of Scots feudal lords got pissed at having a German protestants as king so they invited the son and the grandson of the last Catholic king
They win a couple of battles then the government gets it act together and tears the traitors a new one
A possessed soap statue of the Duke of Cumberland, interesting. Rain alone cannot wash away his undying hatred for Scotland.
Anybody else remember seeing a skit of someone playing a guy who specializes in making racist statues, because they would get torn down and he would get another commission for a new statue?
Sounds like a Ryan Long skit
The soap twist is even weirder than the original statue story. Loved it. 😅
Troops withdrawing are still valid targets. If they don’t want to be killed, then the need to surrender. Was he expected to let them regroup, have some rest, then come back at him? Was Harold in the wrong for chasing those Frenchies down the hill? Oh yes, I suppose that was a bit of a mistake.
Where on earth did you get that idea? It was the Jacobite army of Charles Stuart, with some help from French soldiers. They invaded England and then got their arses kicked.
Weirdly durable soap has distracted me so much I had to rewatch this lol.
Oh boy there’s a hotel in Belfast called the Culloden. I don’t think I can look at it the same way again 😮
Culloden is the place, not this guy! It's a pretty bit of the highlands actually, I've been there. Lots of red squirrels. So think of that!
You may as well wear a blindfold in Belfast
@@gus8824and they've got feralish highland ponies that maintain the land! Always a bonus
@@k9_kadaver I'm picturing packs of blood-mawed ponies appearing out of the mist and terrorizing the local villagers. Parents scaring children with cautionary tales of lone travellers chilled to the bone by echoes across the moonlit land of a blood-curdling "neigh". Ponies of the Baskervilles.
😂
Omigod! I er, I could've told them soap is weirdly durable in the open elements; I've stuck soap chips in my plant pots in the hopes of repelling bad bugs, and not even a Canadian winter did anything much!
(It also proved useless against the bugs.)
What kind of soap did he use? I'd want soap like that. It would save me loads of money.
Cut bars of soap into chunks and use as needed, instead of letting the whole thing melt in a soap dish.
Here in Canada we are having problems with the statues of sir John A MacDonald and the schools named after him are changing their names due to the damage he caused 150,000.00 children of the First Nations people and their families since he became our first prime minister in 1867
I feel like soap runoff could be not an enviromentally-freindly idea
In America, we're never in a garden unless a wealthy person is paying us. We're not allowed to be in them unless were staving off bankruptcy from medical bills.
I don't blame anyone for demolishing anything related to the Duke of Cumberland. Most people don't know about the 'Jacobite Rebellion' but he's a historical shame, as well as a stain upon British Military history.
Don't mention the Dukes name to any Scott, because he's still despised. I still believe in Scottish independence. For those who don't know their history, the Duke treated the Scott's akin to how the American Cavalry decimated the Native American Indian population.
At Culloden the Jacobites invented the "charge headlong to ur death" strategy that later served everyone so well during WW1
In Assassin's Creed Origins you get to destroy statues of Ptolemy XIV. And that was in 49 BC.
See defaced statues of prior dynasties in ... since people started making sculptures
Another great video!! Thank you soooo much for all of them.
They should have made it into a soap bar so everyone could clean their asses with him. They could title " His only good deed".
There used to be a Nelsons Column in Dublin. It was put up before the one in London. It's no longer there, someone blew it up in 1966.
"the soap turned out to be weirdly durable" is not a sentence I thought I'd ever hear
This sure shuts me up when I suggest we're tearing down statues for bad reasons! What a fool I was!
As a hobby soap maker, I now feel like casting a statue for my garden to see if it will be weirdly durable. 😂
Durable soap... there's a combination I did not expect to hear of
Controversial statues have been a thing since Troy
Yeah, I don't care about the politics, I want to know what they did with the soap.
The key difference is one guy was a butcher of all people and the other was a founding father of an entire country who gave birth to an entire nation but because he came from a time period where everyone was racist we forget everything he did and boil it down to how he was racist.
Which really confused me as to why some people are so hung up on the past like that.
What key difference? This isn't about America, there have been many controversial statue debates in the UK for years
You, are, without doubt, one of my favourite historians. I've learnt more about London from you, than having lived in London.
Please go into detail about Scottish rebellions, I love it and wish they'd won
You know you have a terrible reputation when the poor hate you, and the gentry casually "misplace" the statue memorializing you.
Imagine putting up a statue of a gigantic penis, people complain they don't want to view that in a park, then you replace it with one made of soap so that it would slowly disolve away... Like... I dont think they understood the assignment...
The message would be very different though. When you replace someone's statue with one made of soap, you insult their name by erroding their immortality granted by the statue.
When you replace a statue of a giant penis by one made of soap, you just make the place smellier and stickier than it needs to be
I don't even understand what exactly you don't understand.
Keep your fetishs to yourself.
As long as there are people willing to commit terrible acts, they will be people willing to defend those terrible acts to any extreme
Why is the statue of Oliver Cromwell sill standing outside the House of Commons of the United Kingdom in Westminster, London
God if we know, should have been put in a museum long before now
@@ezrafriesner8370Yeah, I'm sure that's what they'd do with it.
@@worldcomicsreview354 that’s what they did with colston 🤷♂️
Holy crap. I didn't know about the soap thing. This is why artist needs to take stem classes and vice versa because anyone could tell you how resilient soap is. You need active weathering on it in order to tear it down. Just having it sit in order will not fastly. Dissolve it like it's in a cartoon.
Weirdly durable soap😂😂
God, the highland clearances and jacobite rebellion are dark times in Scottish history. So many innocents killed in the name of greed
It's a "hey, modern thing you hate also happened once a long time ago, so you can't complain" episode.
Thank you. I now know how to pronounce Culloden. I love reading history, but place names can be difficult!
If I ever make it to Cavendish Square, I am going to fill my pipe, and smoke some Cavendish, in Cavendish Square.
We have quite a few things in the States named after the same guy…also because of the Battle of Culloden. The most popular is probably the Cumberland Gap.
I remember watching a documentary on the Battle of Culloden - twice - in high school: that's where I first heard the term, "grape shot." I don't recall much - except that it was a bloody battle, and I believe it was decisive enough that - until recently - Scotland ceased it efforts to separate from the U.K.
There's so much I don't know, so watching your Shorts and longer videos has been a pleasure here in 2023.
Why did they give him a dark souls title? I'd commit warcrimes to be known as "The Butcher of Culloden"
I'm sorry, I didn't hear anything you said after "sits this empty plinth", because at the use of that word my brain clicked over to Dimension 20 Starstruck Odyssey "operation slippery puppet" stuff and "~all i see is Plinth~" 😅
I recall that a museum got in trouble for putting a statue that was toppled and thrown in the Thames in its collection. They then got criticized for doing so, even though they told everyone, yes we agree with you. That's why we are putting it in the collection.
Anyone who has watched Outlander feels pain when the Battle of Culloden is mentioned 💔
The soap statue should have been made hollow - sculpt a model, cast it, use it to cast a hollow soap statue - it would have been far less durable 😂
For real. I loved Outlander so much, I'm over here getting mad at this statue guy like he's Robert E Lee.
@@cocobutter3175
The difference being that Robert E. Lee was actually a really good guy
@@bruhbruh-us6glI don't care how nice he was to dogs if his job was guarding the 'right' to keep slaves.
@@demo2823
He literally set his slaves free out of his own volition like 2 years before the Emancipation Proclamation. He himself said slavery was repugnant and that he would gladly set every slave in the south free if he could, especially after the war started.
@@bruhbruh-us6gl Still fought for other people's right to keep slaves. If he cared that much, he could've just stuck with the Union.
Cumberland County North Carolina is named after him. It was settled by Scottish survivors (or their families since he ordered no quarter). The name was picked by the government to remind the Scots to stay in line.
I didn't know about this statue! It was kind of strange that "a bloke" who killed people that were running away... would get a statue. Now, I know how that statue, even in 1868, was removed over this controversy.
Thanks for the history lesson!
“The soap was weirdly durable”
Words never before uttered
Wow its almost like statues of horrible people arnt that great
I think the guy DELIBERATELY chose durable soap because he despised Scotland.
Tearing down monuments to oppression and hate is a pretty longstanding human tradition.
It's a really unflattering sculpture too! I'm surprised she didn't realise it would last, cos I was under the impression she did her sculpture work like EXCLUSIVELY in soap....
But how will we remember history without the statue!! No one will ever know how bad he was unless we keep up a statue honoring him!
Satire?
@@Blazedreptile Erm, do you not read books? If you want to know about the full course of history all you need is to check out history books. Statues are commemorative public pieces-- awful people do not need to be commemorated. You can simply read about them in history books etc.
If you notice in your example about slavery, it's usually statues/memorials of *enslaved* people, not the slave *owners* !
Again, if you genuinely are interested in learning history, you would recognize history books provide much more information, without unnecessary commemoration, than a statue.
@@Blazedreptile Those statues of slavers should be taken down. They can be replaced with statues of the people whose lives they negatively affected and conversation about the same history will be sparked. In short: we can commemorate people who were *not* slave owners and still spark conversation about the history of slavery.
How do you read about something you don’t know? Are you being serious with this question? People do it everyday. I don’t know much about European history so I picked up European history books. It’s that simple.
If you don’t know much about slavery and want to learn more, you read multiple books, accounts, watch well researched documentaries, and can go to museums to see the things you’ve learned about and now have a much stronger grasp of the history around it. Seeing one statue is in no way an adequate substitute for actual deep learning.
Statues are not a replacement for actual education. You learn more about the history of the word and humans by actually picking up various history books, watching lectures from researchers and professors, etc.
I would wager that you haven’t picked up any books, given your strong insistence that somehow a statue of a slave owner is necessary to “spark conversation”, when it easily could be a statue honoring enslaved people and still shed light on the same history.
@@Blazedreptileit‘s this novel concept called going to a library. Not sure if you’ve heard but they have a broad collection of books there, with a lot of them being historical.
This statue was taken down by the rightful owners. Other cases, they have been taken down illegally by rioters and vandals.
A buddy of mine found a Bust of a rather controversial 20th century politician whilst doing gardening work. Yes it's who you think it is
Specifically, THIS bloke on THIS horse
I've seen a bar of decorative soap that was kept too long. Pretty much turns to stone - makes sense the statue didn't dissolve.
So, killing the fleeing enemy isn’t allowed? That’s literally the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. When the enemy breaks and runs you don’t sit and watch them run off…
No, it's allowed, but when you invade another country and slaughter the people there, don't expect people to like you. Necrophilia is also legal in a good portion of the US, but if your friend fucked a corpse you'd probably break things off.
Surely they won't regroup and come back. Surely.
@@ElliotKeaton exactly 😂
They can take down statues, but England’s attitude towards the Scottish people hasn’t changed. Recent events in parliament have proven that. Scotland is occupied through an undemocratic union
Fun fact: Killing soldiers who are running away has never been considered illegal. You have to surrender otherwise you could resume fighting later.
The Duke of Cumberland earned his reputation because of his actions in the days after the battle including encouraging his soldiers not to take prisoners.
Brutal
One of the things he ordered was that the wounded Scots left on the field would be put to death on the spot, no trial. Normally the wounded would be collected, given medical treatment as POWs and either serve a long prison sentence, be sold as indentured servants with a fee to pay back for freedom, or if they were wealthy or important ransomed back to their family for a large amount of land or money
@@pleasehelp2446exterminating enemy soldiers has been the historic norm, its only relatively few nations, mostly western european who do things like showing mercy to enemies, killing wounded soldiers is simply the endpoint of what you were gonna do whilst fighting to start with, mentioning no trial is a bit absurd to even bring up, they were both there to kill eachother, that some stopped being able to fight and were killed is not controversial, or shouldnt be, unless you subscribe to notions of chivalry and honour, which do I have news for you there because for the most part, outside of people from western and parts of eastern europe, no one else in the world is known for doing that in war.
If you win, whatever you did was legal. If you lose, whatever you did was illegal.
@@worldcomicsreview354 this guy gets it, now replace legal with moral and you then understand most of world history and almost all the wars ever fought, including the world wars,
might makes right was never about being literally right, it was about being the only ones able to make that claim because you have either silenced or killed all who could refute you, it even describes politics in general, especially these days.
And here I thought that the problem with OUR controversial statues was that they WERE new...
We cant judge everyone from the past by our standards, eventually we will tear down every statue if we do. I believe that if someone was regarded well enough by the people of their time to have a statue built, we should not take it down.
When can I expect you're petition to reraise the Jimmy Savile statue through my door?
Ah well that's the thing, even his contemporaries thought he was an evil scumbag, though he was praised at first.
"Butcher Cumberland" is the name he got, during his lifetime.
Killing people who are running away. This describes most deaths in every battle in history
Definitely not lol
I want to be an offensive statue when I grow up
I expect Professor Layton and the Weirdly Durable Soap on the Nintendo Switch in 18 months.
Friendly reminder that the UK regularly names Oliver Cromwell as one of the greatest Brits to ever live and honors him with statues.
Cromwell was also a genocidal maniac who colonized Ireland, ensuring future generations of Irish continuing to suffer under British colonial rule.
It's very disturbing, when you live on the Cromwell Road, to be honest. Why not Hitler Street, or Stalin Boulevard?
near where I live in Mexico there was a statue of Hernan Cortés (one of the most powerful conquerors) and it got so damaged by people it got replaced by Moctesuma shortly
I personally think these controversial statues should be left up, just put up a sign saying vandalism is encouraged on this statue and watch the entertainment roll in. Then people would wonder why the statues are left to be abused, they might research it and then they learn something new.😊
That's an interesting approach, to be honest. However, there would need to be rules for what is allowed and what isn't. And for who decides what statues this applies to.
@@kosinusify well we are already deciding which statues must be removed, seems like we have that down already.
@@kosinusify as for what is and isn't allowed, I would assume the limitations reside in the already existing law, don't shoot the metal, it will ricochet, no waving around machetes those aren't legal anyway. Spray paint? Toilet paper, a hammer and chisel for stone statues? Go right ahead. Superglue a pink glittery tutu on the slave owner forever embarrassing and shaming it's memory, let me get my camera.
@londoner9401 I don't really have anything to say to this, but if people don't have enough brain cells to restrain themselves in public then I don't think the encouragement of bad behaviour is really going to change anything. Especially if it is restricted to a public attraction like I would assume this sort of thing would be.
You must be English
A Jacobite! Reminds me, I haven't watched Rob Roy in a long time.
To be fair, killing people who were running away was how you won wars back then. The important part wasn't the battle itself, it was to get the enemy morale to break, then kill as many fleeing foes as you possibly could. Then again, i know nothing about this particular battle, so maybe im missing something.
He was still a dick even back then, because rules of war have existed since Ancient Greece. Although you had a lot of sociopaths like him back in that era that ignored it and weren’t really punished for their crimes.
Lol the soap version not dissolving is symbolic of Scotland still being stuck in the UK against its interests.
Day 33 (I think) of asking for a video on Historic Dentistry
I must admit I love seeing your comments.
Over in the US, Columbia College in New York City was originally founded as King's College. There was a large statue of George III at the main entrance. When the Revolution broke out the statue was toppled, melted down, and used to make bullets for the war.
TBF the laws of ground warfare say that shooting a fleeing enemy is fine. Unless they're actively trying to surrender they're considered legitimate targets.
I think you should look more into the history of the battle of culloden. It was pretty much a massacre and the Scottish were unable to surrender even if they wanted. Have you seen game of thrones red wedding? Its based off an event that happened just before this
This is what i've heard the afghanis did against the coallition post 2001. They peaked around a corner, fired off a magazine from an AK, then threw it away to not be considered a combatant and running away, therefore making shooting at them a war crime.
Ah yes, the famously unwilling to die in combat Taliban.
Laws and morality are not the same.
@@shoepixie fair enough. OTOH...don't start nothin', won't be nothin'. Once you decide that violence is the choice for you, you don't get to bitch about things being too violent.
The flower Sweet William was named after Cumberland. The Scots call it Stinking Billy.