This is all reactions popped into a compilation, we got Saw X on Monday and so closes the Spooktober of 2023 with an Amnesia: The Bunker stream from yours truly o/
There is no counter to that genius! Well, actually, if the empire knew which way was up in that movie they would have won....hmm. Okay, Thrawn would actually be the doom of the galaxy.
I'd like it if they froze Thrawn in carbonite and woke him up after the rise of skywalker. *Thrawn* "So the First Order was defeated, I suppose the New Republic overwhelmed them with.... The New Republic was obliterated you say? In 1 day? Well I suppose the Jedi Order managed to infiltrate and destroy the leaders of the.... Completely annialated? By 1 student? With Luke Skywalker becoming a depressed Hermit drinking blue titty milk from an obese tentacle cow? Apologies I believe I'm still suffering from psychosis from the unfreezing process. So how was the First Order defeated? .... .... They couldn't determine which way way up...and attached lasers so powerful to their ships that their destruction caused a chain reaction destroying the entire fleet.... Well I believe I've been awake long enough I think I'd like to sleep for another 500 years until someone competent asks for my help. Good day sir"
Disney Canon Thrawn is a stupid person's attempt at writing a smart character. He has all the superficial trappings of a calculating, Tywin Lannister-esque figure without any of the actual intelligence or cunning.
I unironically think that the end for Ahsoka will be that she becomes the Avatar of the light side like the lady in the Mortis arc from TCW. Dave Filoni will literally have Ahsoka become the Goddess of the light side of the force because that’s just how "worthy" and "deserving" she has become. I’m calling it now. It’s so bloody predictable.
Idk, it's pretty believable they'd put completely unqualified women at the head of everything, and give them responsibility over the entire galaxy for which they promptly ruin.
In ESB, Luke was in the bacta tank for approximately 12 hours and rested for another 16 before he was conscious enough to have a conversation. He had some blunt trauma and hypothermia. His injuries were somewhat severe and would take weeks or months to heal from without a bacta tank. But, he didn't have a lightsaber shaped hole through half of his vital organs and wasn't up and running about the next morning. But, hey, at least Sabine had a hospital to go to and recover in. NO IDEA how Reva survived in Kenobi... twice.
Additional example: When Galen Marek/Starkiller gets stabbed through the belly and thrown into space, he spends 6 months in a coma being surgically reconstructed.
about the terrible lightsaber combat , isn't it funny that the child actor playing ashoka was doing better light saber choreography than the adult woman version.
@@jonnywaldis8275 shit choreography is also shit if you play it faster. its why hayden is so much better than the rest of the cast in fighting scenes, he clearly knows what he is doing
Oh no doubt, I just figured they could have them enact the fight slowly but in matched speed and then hit fast forward. choreography would still be shit but then at least it wouldn't feel like ahsoka's opponents constantly need to hit the breaks. Idk maybe that's just not feasible.@@nathanperquin9910
@@nathanperquin9910 It's pretty embarrassing when the Corridor Crew can make a better lightsaber fight than one of the biggest entertainment companies on the planet, who own the studio that literally invented lightsaber combat.
What bothered me the most about the scene where Sabine is stabbed is that she has her light saber above her head; if she had just lowered her arms she would cleave her opponent in two.
She didn't slice the sith for the same reason the sith didn't cleave her in two. In fact, given the lack of resistance, it would actually take more effort to _not_ cut the shit out of her.
I don't know if it was a good or bad thing that Luke wasn't mentioned once during this whole cluster. On the one hand, it's insulting that they stole his story and tried to sweep his importance under the carpet, but, on the other, it's good that his character wasn't further assassinated which would've been inevitable. I mean, look what they did to Leia and she didn't even have to appear on screen...
It’s a good thing that they totally left Luke AND HAN out of this. At least the audience still mentioned Luke though. Meanwhile, Han Solo was erased from everyone’s memories.
@@dean_l33 he was the first legacy character Disney ruined by making him a deadbeat dad who went back to smuggling for memberberries. How did he get away fine?
Man, Rosario is so afraid of holding those lightsaber sticks. Hayden immediately goes into full fluid beast mode. That thing is entirely an extension of his body. What a champ. The fight sucks because Rosario is the other half of it, but It's nice watching _someone_ that knows what they're doing with that thing.
@@elmagistradofk6286 No. So many women are capable. Just a few examples: Everyone in Kill Bill, Chloe Bruce (Daisy Ridley's stunt double), and hell - even Daisy Ridley isn't very good but she's better than Rosario (and Natasha) at holding a stick.
@@raufm.2135 I'm pretty sure, too. I just don't want it to go unsaid that there are very capable women in life and media and there's not really an excuse for the level of incompetence on display.
26:20 Hera: You know who can help you with this. Ahsoka: I do. Luke Skywalker. I was very recently with him. He's my former master's son and powerful in the Force, as well as a very naturally skilled person in other areas. He only had one student and he kicked the kid out, so he's literally sitting around not doing anything. If we're going up against other Force users, he'd be useful to have along. Hera:... I meant Sabine. You know, that person that you had an apprentice for a while for some reason, despite her having no Force potential, who apparently hates everyone, now, and will definitely betray you and the entire galaxy on a whim and won't care if you live or die? That bitch. Not Luke Skywalker, hero of the Rebellion, slayer of Death Stars and Emperors. Why would you want him?
One thing I've noticed in the Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy: Whenever a Lightsaber is drawn in anger, something significant happens. Someone either loses a limb or loses their life. A Lightsaber drawn in anger CHANGES things. in Disneywars however, it's just flashing lights and colours, followed by someone running away. It's pathetic how they've reduced such a meaningful thing to a mere lightshow.
"You ignored direct orders!" "No, I ignored you." "Idiot, I directed the orders that you ignored. You aren't in charge. This isn't a stratocracy. You can't just cooly say you didn't ignore orders but you ignored me or anyone else or this council. You went against orders and got people killed and don't have anything to show for it, as you don't seem to know that you have evidence of what you came here to find. You are a terrible leader and an untrustworthy subordinate." ... "Oh, Leia approved it against everyone else's wishes and also didn't tell anyone she approved it until after the fact? Okay, all good. There's nothing wrong with that at all. That's definitely not a sign of poor communication or terrible management that's sure to lead to an early end of this New Republic. She's not the Supreme Leader or Chancellor or President or anything. She's a senator of a dead world. but she definitely overrides anything this high council says. Go on. Do whatever you want."
Yeah, just imagine cutting out all the empty air between dialog and all the long shots where nothing is happening or communicated to the viewer. The show would be three episodes long
I said this before, but it is so upsetting how clearly desperately Asohka is styled after Miyamoto Musashi's famous two sword style (with the notably smaller off-hand blade) but they just outright refuse to make use of any of the documented ways of how that fighting style works
@@yagamifire7861 I think it's very obvious that Filoni was carried by George, and he can only ever imitate Georges idea's in the most superficial of ways
Hence the dumbass reference to “Ronin” in the show despite that not even being a word in the SW universe. Because Dave probably thought it sounded “cool”.
Welcome to the Ahsoka series, we have: . Dragged out scene . Lackluster acting . Characters making terrible decisions and not facing consequences . Expectations that just end up in smoke . VADERING . Red lightsabers . Blue Elon Musk . Crab People . Dave Filoni’s creative juices
I can sum up rebels and TCW: Dave Filoni writes the best fanfictions about his super cool OC Ahsoka who never does anything wrong or suffers permanent consequences. Except the one tome that she did have consequences but she didnt do that. Dave filoni introduces star wars time travel to save his OC after writers get rid of her in a grand final battle against her former master Darth Vader
The red-haierd lady doesn't pick up her helmet. Alice doesn't collect her lightsaber. The green general lady immediately forgets about the fallen pilots. I am starting to think these characters lack object permanence.
2:14:15 the worst part about not being able to scan inside the ring is that a star destroyer is supposed to dock there for intergalactic hyperspace travel. You'd probably want to be able to determine where everything is in quite some detail to make sure everything lines up correctly.
Watching this with no context from the actual show is very confusing. Why is Thrawn important? He wasn’t even respected by the other higher ups in the empire, and he was most definitely dishonored when he failed at the end or Rebels. Also why did Star Wars go from cutting off peoples hands to stabbing them in the gut?
@@Gunleaver I guess current Disney writers/showrunners haven't figured out they didn't really chop off Mark Hamill's hand back during the filming of the OT to achieve that non CGI effect.
He's not important. The Disney trash is banking on his fan boys to have a raging hype boner over him just from name alone. They actually thought every enjoyer of the True Canon would just cream themselves when Ashoka said his name in that Mandalorian episode, then thought that was going to be enough, and that they no longer had to put anymore brain power into it.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. Tbf a lot of Thrawns backstory and importance comes from him being one of the only "aliens" in the Empire, and the only one to rise so high in the ranks. The problem is Star Wars films and TV shows have never once spoken about how the Empire was supposed to be very human centric and xenophobic
Ok so at this point I need to question why the writers don’t just stick to the whole cutting off arms or legs thing. It might be over used but at least it’s a believably survivable injury.
My brother had a brilliant theory for why Ezra refused the lightsaber but took the blaster. It’s been so long since Ezra last practiced with a lightsaber he didn’t wanna accidentally cut his own leg off while flailing about with it so he was like “No, *you* take it. Seriously. I totally don’t need it.” Then when he saw a blaster he was like “YES. A weapon that won’t cut my leg off!”
Ezra knows how to make a lightsaber better than the droid who's been in charge of making lightsabers for a thousand years. But Ezra tells him "That's not going to work. The blade emitter is too narrow." How many lightsabers have you made in your life? You may have some interesting and innovative ideas (not in this series), but you're the expert here on what's even going to work? And, I thought you didn't need a lightsaber. Motherfucker, sit down and take some notes from your vastly more experienced elders. They might know some things. Creativity and engineering didn't start with you.
What a show, what a show. Imagine what would it be if after all this search Morgan, Baylan and Alice find a hobo Thrawn with a big geard drinking krab people milk saying "I came to this galaxy to die", that would be a better outcome and still be in theme with Disney Star Wars. And what about the Baylan and Alice lightsabers? I mean, does becoming a Jedi renegade or a Jedi survivor who does his own path automatically makes you have to wield a red one? I though those came from Sith training. Ahsoka's ship works with videogame logic, it has been damaged like 3 times in this season, and it always start working like new again. Now they are stranded in another galaxy with no fuel station nearby. Eventually damage will get to a point where they'll need new parts and that's all, no way to get back home.
It's not a red lightsabre otherwise the fans would see Baylan and go 'red? That's red!' I guess it's orange-red because no one with any kind of vague good intentions can appear with a red lightsabre in live action.
My whole issue with Red lightsabers is that they keep telling us that all these new darkside force users aren't Sith (even though Kylo and Snoke were trained by palpatine) but somehow they always end up with red light sabers? Doesn't getting a red one require soaking the crystal thing that powers it in blood, or some crap? When do they have time to do that?
My understanding was that red lightsabers use a synthetic crystal since they can't get to the Jedi crystal caves, and the synthetic ones are a force no-no and I guess it hurts the force somehow? In any case I guess that methodology would be the go to for non-Jedi force users who want to use the dark side and have a light saber
i hate how this series is such a wasted opportunity for a good Rebels' sequel, all ruined by Dave Filoni's ego, incompetence and his fetish of putting his waifu Ahsoka everywhere for nough reason, this series should have been called differently, and being about all the Rebels characters, which Ahsoka is NOT part of, she was just a Clone wars' guest star, she appears way less than you think in Rebels, and she was just there to finish her storyline from Clone wars in the second season, the season with Vader, which Dave filoni even ruined by bringing her back with stupid time travel, her killed by Vader was a nice ending to her story. I personally think that this series, its just rotten in its concept and should have been reworked drastically, and with Dave filoni as just the showrunner and some times co-writer like in Rebels and Clone wars, i think it would have made way more sense if the series were splitted into two main storylines which alternate. The first one with Ezra as the main character, because he's the main character of Rebels, a important role for him makes sense, maybe you open the series with a flashback, a live action recreation of his sacrifice to defeat Thrawn, for establishing better the villain, showing what happens right after they got teleported, maybe they had to become allies to survive in this hostile planet, the classic story of soldiers from 2 different sides stranded somewhere, and then in the present they are enemies, with Ezra as a leader of a rebellion to fight Thrawn, a compelling story about their rivalry and with some good lore about this planet and galaxy. And then the other main storyline with Sabine as the main character with other Rebels characters like Hera, Kallus (where tf is Kallus here??), Chopper, Zeb. And Ahsoka, as the wise Jedi figure like Ben kenobi in the first Star Wars, and you scrap all of that Jedi training crap of Sabine which is just stupid and unnecessary, so all of those characters, all determined to save Ezra and try to stop Thrawn return, with Ray Stevenson as a compelling villain this time, maybe with Sabine that is the most desperate to save Ezra, with the others that have no hope, maybe because she loves him, it would make a lot of sense according to Rebels last seasons and especially last scenes, not putting it like they did is a retcon, star wars doesn't have a good romance since Empire Strikes back, maybe it was a good opportunity to put one which even already has a setup, it doesn't come out of nowhere. Damn i despise this series so much, everything is wrong with it, if you watch Rebels its even worse.
Dave created “world between worlds” specifically to give Ahsoka a plot armor. Because there’s no way Yoda, Obi-wan, Luke and Palpatine have no access to it when all of them are more powerful than Ahsoka.
It’s just as well. Ahsoka is implied to be dead by the time of Rise of Skywalker anyway, considering she was one of the voices Rey heard when she was tapping into the spirits of dead Jedi.
My favorite moment was Huehue Yang bringing the derelict starship up in line of sight of _Chimera_ while it was bombarding the citadel instead of behind it.
I was 11 when SW first came out. I never would've guessed it would all come to THIS. With all the books, comics and games, this is where we are. And Hi Rags
I know ull say worth it just to defend ur actions or it's no different then paying for a different kind of entertainment Even tho it's only 2$ it wasn't enough to get a simple hi back And this is the exact reason I'll nvr ever give a youtuber my actually money They r already getting your time and giving u the product for free If they weren't making enough money already they wouldn't still b doing it I say this with no.mailce no clowing I just dont understand giving youtubers your actual hard earned money when they r already being paid and in this case providing no real substance to anyone. It's not providing jobs or insurance, it's just to critique other people's work It's your money to do with as u please tho
3:54:00 And the funniest thiing is that, unlike the Disney shows themselves, those reaction videos are going to be rewatched over and over again. They will be podcasted and listened to on other devices too. I cannot even tell how many times I did that on my phone already.
@@nont18411 Honest to god, I wouldn't have put it past Dave Filoni to have pitched a relationship between Anakin and Ahsoka, if he could get away with it he could. He keeps pushing this narrative that Ahsoka leaving the Jedi is what really pushed Anakin to the Dark Side
Hopefully the Son shows back up and stabs her and make this story interesting again. Also Son> All Ashoka characters , He only got 3- 20 minute episodes as well compared to the 8 - 40 minute episodes
It's kinda weird how Sabine gets reprimanded more for stealing and losing the orb to the bad guys after getting stabbed than she does for voluntarily handing it over knowing what the bad guys plans are.
They don't even understand the word "banished" Thrawn was not "banished" to another galaxy, he was "stranded" in another galaxy. Not surprising, words are hard!
Something to point out: Old EU Thrawn's whole schtick was that he was an obsessive art collector and studied the art of various cultures and species in order to understand their psychology. Yes this is kind of racist, but it worked, he was introduced in a scene where he accurately assessed in moments the species of a New Republic ship's captain and knew exactly what sort of maneuver they would be psychologically unable to respond to properly and so they were wiped out by what would otherwise be a played-out trick everyone else knew how to beat. There's a lot more about EU Thrawn that's both cool and kind of stupid but this is what I want to focus on. Rebels Thrawn had ONE really cool scene: Hera comes back to her homeworld and tries to smuggle a priceless family heirloom -- an art object called a kalikori -- out of her family's estate to give it to her father. Ezra is disguised as a scout trooper to look like she's a servant with legitimate escort. Thrawn spots this and immediately arrests Hera, and brings Ezra along, along with the local Imperial commander, where he lets Hera lie for a minute (she assumes Imperial ignorance of her culture and says she wanted to sell it for food for her starving family) then explains there's no way she wanted to sell the kalikori since a Twi'lek family's kalikori is worthless to anyone BUT the family itself, so she must be a family member to want it at all, and since this is the Syndulla family kalikori and Thrawn has seen the Syndulla family portraits from when Hera was a child he is able to confidently announce that she is Hera Syndulla. Ezra waits FOR FUCKING EVER before trying to do something about this but the second he tries to do anything, Thrawn gets him with a stun pistol. I loved that scene, because it felt like Thrawn was actually making deductions that made clear and logical sense based on his study of art, in a way that wasn't just an abstract "I win" button like the original EU version -- he laid it out in this clear way where if you understood what these various art pieces mean, this would have to be the conclusion you draw. That episode was written by Nicole Dubuc, who only worked on a grand total of 3 episodes of Rebels, one of which was the only other episode of the entire show where Thrawn made an actually clever deduction (Ezra let himself get captured wearing a weird outfit with a false identity, and Thrawn compared a sample of Sabine's graffiti against the lines painted on Ezra's helmet to correctly conclude that this captive was actually Ezra, and since the ISB agent Kallus who captured Ezra would have instantly recognized Ezra but went along with the false identity anyway that meant Kallus was in league with Ezra as a Rebel spy). We've lost Thrawn twice, once was the based EU Thrawn and once was the arguably more interesting Dubuc Thrawn who only appeared twice and could actually do something smart.
Whether you like them or not, Filoni gets too much credit for "his" animated series. Part of why I think _all_ of "his" characters (and Thrawn) feel so much different in Ahsoka is because he's writing Ahsoka. This is the way he views these characters, and he's also just never been a very good writer. Even though the characters were largely his concepts, it was mostly other, better writers (whether you like Rebels or not) that actually wrote and built these characters.
@@Lobsterwithinternet no. George actually desired feedback and criticism when working on the films, he even says that if you wish to contribute you’d have to respect his no. It’s actually the same for him and his producers as his problem with Gary Kurtz is that the guy was quiet and reserved without any tough decision making skills for that job. It’s the reason why Gary didn’t appear for VI and the reason why Rick McCallum produced all the prequels. Rick was a great producer by comparison and wasn’t even a decision Lucas regretted vs Lucas saying he gave Kurtz a second chance with Empire and was just as upset. So no they don’t have anything in common. Filoni is an actual asshole, instead of showing his intentions he would go behind George’s back after the pre viz show of TCW and alter things to his liking. That has to be the most petty bitch move I’ve heard from any “creative”. He has more in common with Kathleen Kennedy or Leslie Headland compared to George.
@@MancoDanko That’s because Rick was a yes-man who knew that George resented feedback and would can anyone who went against him. In fact, it took Rick until RotS before he could find a way to convince George he needed acting coaches for Natalie Portman and Hayden since he couldn't tell him that he couldn't direct actors if his life depended on it.
@@Lobsterwithinternet it’s on behind the scenes books and Lucas’ own mouth that he wanted a producer that can hold his ground and argue for alternatives to shooting the film. Gary Kurtz was reported to not even bother confronting the cinematographer at the time because he was timid. Gave Kurtz another try but again the guy was just as timid and absent. Lucas wanted someone confrontational which is exactly what Rick was. Rick didn’t just sit there, the behind the scenes of the prequels were just as crazy with how much he had to deal with sandstorms in the same area. Read the Taschen Star Wars Archives for the prequels, it also disproves the yes-man false argument. Anyone working with Lucas who is told this laughs and shuts the idea down. There is no basis that this happened on set, it’s a perpetuated lie by fanboys who tried to make sense out of the prequels and why they were different from the OT. I’ll paraphrase what was said but Rick himself would say, “if a concept artist gives a blank stares when asked for ideas then they’re not reliable creatives by Lucas’ view”. Star Wars was like recess for these guys working on these ideas and crafting them into one cohesive vision. Something as simple as ship structures is actually thought out as it’s a galactic depiction of the 1920s and the OT being the depiction of the 30s depression era. The Secret Making of Star Wars also isn’t a reliable source. It’s comprised of disgruntled people who they seem to depict themselves as larger than life. Read the production history. Finally for your point below, Lucas was using an old style of romance along with the nuance of characters who never had experience being themselves outside of their major roles. The accents also being the blatant example of Lucas’ thesis throughout these films as it shows his experimental approach of continuing film as a universal visual language. It’s no wonder these films are just as loved if not more so because of its dubbing oversees. George let go of his franchise post ROTS which is why he didn’t crack down on Filoni as hard and just made remarks or suggestions. I really want to know where was this last point coming from. Mainly because it’s about context. Lucas hired Lawrence for Empire to make the dialogue flow better and yet all the iconic quotes from the film are his. Lucas gave Leigh Brackett had a credit when there is no reference of her screenplay treatment in the final script, Lucas didn’t put his name on the credits for editor when in fact he edited his film after the first guy abandoned the project, Lucas was also involved to lead these films in both V and VI. My issue with the gross misrepresentation is that people who espoused misinformed information managed to get us this dumb idea that we had to have three different directors… while yes three different directors made the films, it was one visionary who was behind it all and reinventing films as large budget cable programs. Look at another series that had done this… Twin Peaks. The same thing happened, the moment Lynch leaves the project after season 2 episode 7, everything else went downhill as it was all about imitations of Lynch but not understanding the world of Twin Peaks, show gets canceled because the creator of the show wasn’t manning the ship. Both of these franchise’s imitations overseen by Disney…
I swear Jedi and Jedi adjacent characters now are just "insert person with lightsaber". Remember when Jedi had a whole philosophy and set of rules for how they operate within the galaxy? That they literally are one with the world around them? Mental that people clap like seals for the key jangling, then immediatley forget the slop they've been served.
Seriously. Attitude and mentality have totally been divorced from the Force users. Impatient, angry, quick to frustration Sabine SOMEHOW won't use the dark side because shut up reasons
Remember how Qui-Gon's and Dooku's whole stories were about 2 Jedi who had become completely disillusioned with the order, it's practices, philosophy, and actions, and both of them handled it completely differently. Baylin seems to be much of the same as Qui-Gon and Dooku which is probably why his character is the most interesting in the show. Instead of having nuance, now it's just light sticks make you a Jedi
Can’t believe no one mentions the DARK SIDE JEDI suggesting Sabine use the travel time for reflection and she says, straight faced, “I try to avoid that”
Even the fan praise for this show boils down to about five minutes and a dozen lines in a liminal dimension that imply something meaningful. It speaks to the potential of what new good Star Wars shows could’ve meant to people considering they’re so desperate that their defence of an entire SEASON can rest on the shoulders of one half-baked conversation.
30:30 "As a jedi, sometimes you have to make the decision that no one else can. That's what I did to defeat Thrawn." Considering that no one's seen or heard from Ezra since he and Thrawn went to the other galaxy, I have to assume that this recording was made before he "defeated" Thrawn. So... interesting claim, there. Pretty presumptuous. I mean, that just sounds really awkward, doesn't it? Saying it as if it's already a done deal, when it hadn't happened, yet? Who talks like this? At least say "That's why I'm going to defeat Thrawn" or something more along those lines. It would still seem a bit misplaced confidence, but it's better than what we got. Unless all these recordings were made by an AI modeled after Ezra with the knowledge of what did happen... But, I guess it worked out, right? Whatever... let's go get Thrawn back to this galaxy and undefeat him, invalidating Ezra's sacrifice. Sounds good. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. Wait, that's a terrible idea.
Just read the timothy zahn trilogy. Seriously its better written than anything disney has done so far. It has a competent, threatening thrawn. Luke, han and leia are all prominent too of course. No first order, no resistance, no ahsoka, no sabine. Just a good continuation of Star Wars after episode 6, its the real sequel trilogy.
Ah, the days when Thrawn was a genuine threat, when he had the intelligence to use cloaked ships to pretend he had a superweapon which could fire straight through a planetary shield.
You said it, Mauler. 3:44:02. You guys make it entertaining and kind of cathartic. Thanks for being here, watching and critiquing the stuff out there so we don't have to, and then providing the experience of a group watch for those of us who cant.
How long will it be before Filoni decides that the planet they're stranded on is actually primordial Earth, and Sabine and Baylon will be Adam and Eve? It's extremely trite so it's right up his alley.
Whoa whoa whoa, you think they're gonna have the old white guy be the father of humanity on this planet, with a lesbian? lmao plus the actor has sadly passed... and he was the best thing about the show.
Now they'll see this comment sent to them by their production team and they'll go "oh shitе, they know?! We must invent something else, right now! We cannot allow these plebs to be right!" (different words, same scenario has already occurred) and it will somehow be even worse because they'll have to rewrite the entity of their narrative to fit into new and "post-production can't fix that many things".
Sabine could have learnt that being a Jedi was about upholding the path and the virtues of a Jedi and not about being force sensitive, about being a symbol of peace and justice for the galaxy by learning how to be a better person. It could have been really interesting to see someone who has little to no inate force ability try their best to uphold that position and responsibility through character development and determination to succeed, to become a Jedi because of their actions and not because of their talent, to know her own limits but always try to do the right thing regardless. But no, they had to go and make her actually force sensitive and remove any potential that the character story had, because of course they did. They also clearly had no idea what to do with Shin or Baylin beyond sword fights and brooding stares, such amazing character designs and back stories that could have been explored between the pair of them through their motives, beliefs and plans reduced to angry edge lady and cryptic strong man because Disney has no idea how to write compelling characters or reoccurring rivals that actually show depth and hold ideals and values that make sense from their perspective, what a missed opportunity for this series and a tremendous failing of character throughout the show.
I'm one of the people who like Rebels and the Prequels. I have my own issues with them, but I still like them. So whenever I see someone like grownup Ahsoka and how shes pushing the Jedi code and rules, I can't help be upset. Left the Order, refused to return to it, has attachments, and even made it known that she's no Jedi. All the development in TCW and Rebels. Down the f*cking drain. Don't even get me started on Hera, Sabine and Ezra.
Watching this I love how at the first episode you spend alot talking about the Sith with the helmet, Starkillar, Ezra, a big reveal - and it turns out he is a green fart!
6:20:28 everyone was distracted by the zombie stormtroopers that no one realize that the tower they had to climb had several blast doors that the genius tactician Thrawn didn't think to close even though his sole objective was to buy time at that point. instead, the heroes get to use them to get away from the zombies
Ashoka and Sabine's relationship being instantly patch reminds me of part of a joke Mauler made during his tlj analysis when mocking someone for saying "fiction has no rules." 'what if Luke Skywalker said, 'rey, the Jedi shouldn't end because they're actually cool lol. Sorry I'm just sleepy I guess.'" I guess Filloni heard that and thought "so THAT'S how characters work"
At this point, I'm surprised that Disney doesn't just get a bunch of toys and film a bunch of kids playing with them. It's what the vast majority of Star Wars fans want anyway.
"People want this guy to be Starkiller from the videogames." "That's Ezra." "It's going to be a reveal of some kind." hahaha... just wait for that reveal. lololol
Filoni’s saber: A fight scene that could be entirely removed from a story without damaging the narrative in any way. A fight in which no one is injured or dies, no character traits are communicated to the audience, and no plot is progressed in a significant way.
Same thing here When the episode 7 and 8 video came out I thought "I'm gonna wait for the episode 9 coverage to come out and watch all 3 at once" Then when it took too long, I decided to watch 7 and 8, and halfway through episode 8 it dawned on me "That's it ?" That was it.
A simple dashcam would have solved Hera's evidence troubles. But obviously, the Star Wars Universe is not advanced enough for such miracles of technology.
I never understood the single, straight, miles-long highway outside of town that doesn't go anywhere, eventually just ending abruptly, and never has any traffic.
"Thrawn died at the battle of Lothal." "That was never confirmed." I don't know why it would even be speculated. His ship wasn't destroyed. It went into hyperspace with the purrgil, and Ezra along with them. Who is this imposter and what have they done with Hera? As far as she - or anyone - should be concerned, they went into hyperspace with an unknown destination and simply haven't been seen, since.
Bit late but I wanted to put in my thoughts. The main theme of the New Republic seemed to be just putting the past behind them, even to their detriment, and trying to recreate a rose-tinted version of the Republic without dealing with the underlying issues that caused the rise of the Empire in the first place.
@@Lobsterwithinternet I find that incredibly stupid but can accept it as a policy for government bureaucrats that we don't know. I can't accept it for freedom fighters that we do know and that were there for the events. She could even tow the line to make nice with her government if she wants - I don't think she would, but fine - but in private communication with Ahsoka she's not going to speak that BS. She witnessed what happened with her own actual eyeballs.
@@alexhayden219 Politics is often pretty stupid in real life. But I agree it is incredibly stupid. And it’s pretty often the case that freedom fighters who get into power often don't do too well since their skill sets don't gel well in politics where it's more about administration and balancing the needs and wants of many people who you need to satisfy to keep in power. Even in the EU this happened with Leia being a competent leader but being driven out by more slimy people. But yeah, the way they portrayed it was pretty stupid.
2:51:10 Fulcrum is in reference to Asokha's codename in rebels when Kanan and the gang were in contact with her without knowing it was her, because this series is one big reference to rebels and pretty much nothing else
MauLer: I like the- they seem to nail robotic movements. Good job, show. Rags: That's true, yeah. And the droids in the show, they really nail the robotic movements, as well. MauLer: Heh heh heh Just an eldritch horror man and his doggo, having good times, making witty commentary. :)
4:12:20 Yes, I absolutely believe that Filoni would introduce ancient Earth into Star Wars if he would be allowed to. And, yes, I am aware that that already happened in some single issue of a comic somewhere at some point. I do largely prefer Legends over Disney Wars, but not all Legends are created equal.
1:09:01 He is mostly correct. When Japan and Germany were defeated, a lot of the factors that were still intact we're still manned by the same people who ran them during the war. In the end most rank and file just want to live. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
With the tracking nonsense in Episode 2, why wouldn't Star Wars have something like the Cole Protocol from Halo. You know, a protocol where you would make a random jump before going to your destination to make it pretty much impossible for anyone to follow you; especially when you know you were being chased.
Sabine in her prison cell: I was hoping for a room with a view. Baylan: Bitch, you live on Lothal. That place ain't got no windows. Sabine: You promised me I would see Ezra again. Baylan: You...you know we don't have him on this ship, right? You know we're still traveling between galaxies? What the hell do you expect me to say here? How the hell am I supposed to respond to that _insanely pointless_ statement?
Something important to note is that Dave co-wrote a handful of TCW episodes and only actually wrote the last four himself (the Siege of Mandalore), and for Rebels he only wrote three himself. Both shows were otherwise mostly staffed with writers who had prior experience writing half-hour TV cartoons. Those shows are still absolutely riddled with problems, but they never got THIS bad, and I think at this point it’s pretty clear Dave was NOT ready to spread his wings as a solo writer. And yet here we are, that’s the future Disney is plotting for us instead of trying to bottle what Tony Gilroy’s doing.
Seriously, it bugs me how not a single character in star wars ever moves the lightsaber up after stabbing someone. You will bissect their brain and there is no way anyone can come back from that.
So the captain guy that let the not jedi's on his ship got stabbed in a far less dangerous area than sabine, looked like the middle right lung lobe area for the captain dude? so thats like 1 destroyed of 3 lobes in the rt lung so he'd have a pneumothorax with some bleeding, possibly deadly if untreated but a simple chest tube fixes that and you'd live for hours possibly days or not even die depending on severity. Sabine gets stabbed through her liver I believe? It's death within minutes. The Liver has massive blood flow to it if the hepatic portal artery or vein is severed it's only slightly not as bad so she'd live like 3 minutes with possible lower right lung and rib destruction front and back. wtf disney, make light sabers dangerous again
One also has to consider all the mass that was in the spot now occupied by the saber is flash heated into super heated gas that immediately expands into the surrounding tissue of the body. There's a damn good reason red mist burst put of Maul
@@yagamifire7861 well yes but i was going by how the source treats the wounds but yea it would cause violent explosive evaporation on top of al of that
Ok so in theory that was an old night sister temple, and inside it, for some reason, was stored a magic ball which they locked that contains a really old map of space whale migration, and they ONLY do this one single path to this one specific planet. They just go back and forth all the time for some reason. Ok are you following so far? Great. So this magic ball contains this map, also known as a picture of the two galaxies and a straight line connecting them, cause all the minds of the Star Wars galaxy couldn't decipher that fucking strategy. Now, this magic ball is unlocked by just rotating the sections a couple times, and there is NO security system incorporated, it doesn't like shock the fuck outta someone that guesses the wrong pattern or explode or anything. You can just keep trying it forever and it'll activate when it's correct. The password to this magic ball, is just written on the ground in the place that it's kept. There's also a password to get it OUT of that temple in the first place, but that password is literally just turning the pillars which are the only notable features of the room and when they're in the right position, they lock in place and shit starts glowing. So it's impossible to NOT get the password right. Ok? Still following? Right, so the night sisters are from Dathomir, that's where Darth Maul is from but they just look like humans for some reason, they don't even have head spikes. They supposedly use the force, but when THEY use it, it's MAGIC. They can fucking teleport, short distances at the very least, they can move objects too, they can cast repairo from harry potter for some reason, they can RESURRECT THE DEAD, don't ask, they can just create things out of thin air, they can do all sorts of weird shit that has nothing to do with Jedi or Sith, it's literally magic spells. So........ These magic balls, can also be operated via their magic bullshit. And the night sisters decided, NOT to make it so these magic balls work ONLY for their force magic, but they'll work for their force magic AND ALSO if someone just guesses the combination, of which there's not really that many. Also even if there were more, there's no security, so a droid can just be programmed to try everything until something changes. Even if we assume droids didn't exist when this map was made (How?) again there's no cost for getting the combination wrong, so whoever really wants to solve it can just keep trying different combinations, it'd only take some paper and a pen to track them. Even assuming it takes YEARS to guess the combination AND whoever found the magic ball decided NOT to take pictures of the temple it was stored in, because remember the combination is just written very obviously in the temple, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to use the map for anyone but a night sister if you just make it so you NEED night sister magic to operate it at all. It's like locking your car door at night, but the car is designed without windows. Then the car is turned on using the special key, or you can just enter the 4 digit password and no matter how many times you enter it wrong, it won't do anything. Also the password is written on the back seat. This show is so fucking bad!
Oh and just to be petty. Shin, the blonde sith girl's name? It's clear by now Filoni is a massive weeb, so this is definitely meant to be the Japanese name. Which is a guy's name. I've NEVER seen any woman in any context named Shin.
The space whales are the most crazy thing, how did they naturally develop hyper speed travel but hyper speed travel that is orders of magnitude faster than normal hyper speed. They had to use 7 or 9 super star destroyed hyper drive cores to achieve the same speed as the star whales, like wtf?
@@MasterIceyy Mass Effect did huge powerful creatures that can travel through space on their own right. They're aquatic creatures that developed technology to augment themselves so they could fuck off into space on a whim. Leviathans they're called, they're pretty cool. You CAN do enormous space creatures correctly, but that would be unfathomably hard as Star Wars is constructed, and it's DEFINITELY not just going "Yeah they just exist, what even is hyperspace really, just don't think about it."
Months later, but I just came back and watched this, and I have more to add. So based on everything leading up to this, the Empire is convinced Thrawn is still alive and is going to return. Also, Ahsoka is convinced since she's looking for him in Mando Season 2. The only reasonable source we can deduce now is that Morgan Elsbeth was in communion through Force magics or something with the Dathomiri witches in Galaxy 2, and she decided to tell Empire people that she knew where Thrawn was. Except she didn't know exactly where Thrawn was because she needed a map. But also, she knew exactly where the map was since she told Ahsoka how to find it. How is it remotely possible that Elsbeth or the Empire had not collected the map prior to Ahsoka showing up? The only reason Ahsoka is looking for Elsbeth is that she knows that Elsbeth knows the way to Thrawn, and the only way she could have learned that is from Elsbeth having shared that information with someone else and Ahsoka must have picked up on the Empire suits chatting about it. But if they were chatting about it, they had to have gotten that information from Elsbeth, who could have told them where the map is, and there's no reason she wouldn't have told them about the map if she's telling them about her plan to go fetch Thrawn. But also, why would Morgan Elsbeth even been talking psychically with the Night Sisters, or whatever? They just decided to start sending out space skypes that said, "Hey, there's this guy here, Thrawn, he seems like he's plot relevant. Anyone want to come fetch him?" Like they're setting up an RPG quest board or something. Why would they think to tell Elsbeth about Thrawn, specifically? It's all convoluted nonsense because nobody has any idea with an actual throughline.
Imagine being Morgan Elsbeth. You work for years to bring together enough resources to create a giant intergalactic hyperspace ring, recruit two sith from seemingly nowhere, track down an ancient night sister map that just so happens to lead to the planet that Thrawn, the legendary tactical genius of the empire, is trapped on, and even manage to evade one of the last jedi in existence. Then, despite telling him multiple times that his plan isn't working, you watch as this "genius" completely fumbles what should have been the most one sided battle in galactic history and wastes all your hard work, before commanding you to kill yourself just so he can barely get away. What a fucking insult.
The amusing part of the weekly reminders in Ahsoka is that it's a weekly show, a show that can easily be rewatched because of the day and age we live in, and it has a recap at the beginning of each episode, so writing in reminders of things that happened between characters is just wasted time. Compared to other media like the manga One Piece where it trusts the viewer's investment and rarely uses recaps or reminds the audience of what happened, only recently did it do that because the context between the characters literally occurred a real-time decade ago.
I'm looking forward to EFAP watching The Acolyte, I bet that's going to be good! Also, as a Fleet Junkie, the *only* positive of the show is that we've finally been able to see E-Wings on screen!
The only things I liked in the whole show was Baylan and Shin, and sadly Ray Stevenson died, hopefully he didn't know how bad the final product actually was before he went. Hopefully they don't cgi him in the next season and just let him be.
@@HerohammerStudios No idea who Alice is, so, couldn't speak to that. She was more than just a non-character like the mist filled walking suit of 16 century armor. I thought she had at least a certain appeal to her, but yeah, that's about it, it's as much as we can hope for now.
@@HerohammerStudios My guess as to why anyone would like her is that she hasn't opened her mouth for more than a paragraph across this entire show. that means she hasn't said anything that stupid (yet), which elevates her above about 95% of modern Disney female characters.
One of the main reasons why Disney STAR WARS lightsabers fights are so shit is because they're now using these big, clunky lightsaber props that also emit natural light so they blend into the environment better, whereas with the prequels, they were using lightweight tubes and adding the effects in after. The speed at which you can swing those lightweight tubes is incredible, whereas the big clunky ones are harder to wield and also don't wanna be broken. It is also because modern stage combat is getting slowly worse and worse due to health and safety concerns (which can be valid) and a generally low bar of entry for most actors (i.e. if you can swing a sword around and not endanger the other person then that's good enough) I will give special props to the fight with Baylan and Ray Stevenson, as it looks like they did at least do their homework on two handed sword fighting techniques, there's quite a few stances and moves in there that are straight out of manuscripts from Talhoffer and Fiore De Libre, and Ray himself seems like a really decent fighter (such a shame and such a waste), but overall the choreography is still garbage. Somehow makes it worse in a way, they could have produced really good fights with legitimate techniques and they just squandered it.
5:07:20 I might be mishearing it, but I think Ahsoka says, "He [Anakin] made 20 or more of these recordings." Wouldn't it be a better depiction of her character for her to have memorized all of the recordings out of a desire to preserve her connection to Anakin? It might have been kind of neat for her to use a specific number rather than "20 or more". Having listened to this a dozen times since release, I'm surprised that crap slipped past me until now.
1:46:30 "Your skill with a weapon comes from your Mandalorian upbringing." Oh, is that why she sucks and doesn't seem like she's ever used a weapon in her whole life? It's amazing how our two main characters are supposed to be two of the most ultimate warriors, but are very obviously unskilled and untrained in anything they're doing, are very slow in their movements, very inaccurate, and everyone else on the show seems to have practiced much more and needs to slow themselves down to be at the speed of these two obvious novices. Like, I have no idea how much Rosario has practiced or learned, but she's been Ahsoka for a few years now and knew this show was happening. Sabine (I don't care to look up who that actress is) has been a done deal for a while, too. IDK what else they have going on or how much they actually trained or how much Lucasfilm encouraged them to train, but neither look like they've ever picked up any kind of weapon before and the best they know how to do is pose and very slowly go through their choreography while looking like they're afraid to hit their baseball bat against the other person's baseball bat, but are definitely trying to hit that bat and not the person. And any flourishes they might do or spins they might throw in look like they're afraid to drop their weapon or trip over their own feet, and leave themselves completely open to attack at all times. Then, you have Ewan and Hayden that, whatever you think of the other parts of the prequels, obviously put serious time into practicing, learning, having fun, and just becoming generally pretty competent in using lightsabers and still can pick one up and whip it around like it's a natural extension of their body. I'm just saying, IDK if Rosario and [insert Sabine's actress here] are just naturally clumsy or they just didn't put the time in or what, but in a show where they're supposed to be sword fighters, their skills are embarrassingly lacking and they should've been required to put some time in before filming (assuming they didn't, as they don't come off as though they did). There's unnecessary flourishes and spins in the prequels, but it's done at a pace and confidence that shows they know what they're doing when they do it. Also, not Rosario's fault, but stop having Ahsoka reverse grip so much. There are limited cases where this is useful, and in most cases it will be a detriment. The muscles it requires are just not as strong, your handhold allows for more pushback against yourself, and it vastly shortens your reach, with Ahsoka having a smaller reach than most of her opponents to begin with. At best, she should hold her tanto/smaller blade in reverse grip with her primary/dominant/attack hand in forward grip, but it just shouldn't be her default grip with either sword. It can sometimes be useful in very close quarters knife fights or can be useful to be proficient in drawing the longsword out of it's sheath in reverse grip, then switching to forward grip, but lightsabers don't have sheaths. But, at least _LOOK_ like you know what you're doing with it. The rule of cool doesn't really apply if you still look like an amatuer untrained cosplayer.
6:08:00 - Didn't really think about it until now but wouldn't it be incredibly dangerous to turn on a lightsaber for the first time in something like a starship? If the settings are off it feels like it could do incredible damage.
3:51:20 migrating between galaxies... Not just solar systems at tens to hundreds of lightyears apart, but galaxies. At tens of thousands of lightyears apart... Thats a big fuck off distance to migrate for something so relatively small. Also, does baleen suddenly filter dark matter/energy or something? There's a lot of space in between, and they'd have to refill their tanks somehow...
The crew pointing out how Thrawn clearly hasn't done anything besides sit around on his Star Destroyer for however many years it's been made me think of something else. Failoni wanted to implement the 'different galaxy' thing because he wanted to fool the audience into thinking they'd be seeing something truly alien to what we're used to, when what we got was just another backwater Outer Rim planet. Why would you go to the trouble of introducing an entire separate galaxy if you're not going to take the time to actually flesh it out? Imagine if we learned that Thrawn had to ground and conceal his Star Destroyer to keep from being noticed by this galaxy's massive interstellar civilization. Or if he traveled between worlds, garnering support for the cause of the Empire and recruiting new alien civilizations to travel back to the main galaxy and fight the war together. Or if he decided to take root here, creating his own faction to take over a portion of this galaxy. We could have learned that Thrawn, his army, and his Star Destroyer were detained by whatever civilization rules this galaxy, and we could see him bargain with Ahsoka and crew to help him escape in exchange for information on Ezra's whereabouts. We could have seen the other galaxy preparing to wage war on the main one following the discovery of the Star Destroyer, and the good guys and bad guys teaming up to stop them, providing us with the juiciest of opportunities for the development of characters, relationships, and interpersonal conflict. Basically, Failoni could have used this new setting as an opportunity to explore scenarios that would be impossible in the main galaxy, but he opted instead to go with the laziest version of it. Nice.
I think Dave Filoni must have been part of some kind of roleplay group at LucasFilm while making the Clone Wars and then he decided it would be a great idea to turn his roleplay stories into TV shows, it explains why he can't let his own characters die
One thing I noticed is how only droids really get killed, other than the odd storm troopers every now and then, Star Wars now is so non-lethal, blasters are pointless now, due to everyone being covered in beskar, or just missing constantly. Lightsabre's are now non lethal unless it's the bad guys getting hit by them. Their target audience is children now
This is all reactions popped into a compilation, we got Saw X on Monday and so closes the Spooktober of 2023 with an Amnesia: The Bunker stream from yours truly o/
which one is more sludge disney star wars or disney marvel
Say hi to Emile for me.
\ ^.-.^ / WOO!
Really hope Adam is there despite recent drama
MAY THE DON BE WITH YOU!
"She's supposed to be healing!"
"She's SUPPOSED to be DEAD!!"
🤣🤣🤣
1:00:28
Stopping Thrawn is vital to the survival of the galaxy because he is a master of the grand strategy of knowing which way is up.
There is no counter to that genius! Well, actually, if the empire knew which way was up in that movie they would have won....hmm. Okay, Thrawn would actually be the doom of the galaxy.
Does he? If he did, he would just fly several feet up from the tower...
I'd like it if they froze Thrawn in carbonite and woke him up after the rise of skywalker.
*Thrawn*
"So the First Order was defeated, I suppose the New Republic overwhelmed them with....
The New Republic was obliterated you say? In 1 day?
Well I suppose the Jedi Order managed to infiltrate and destroy the leaders of the....
Completely annialated? By 1 student? With Luke Skywalker becoming a depressed Hermit drinking blue titty milk from an obese tentacle cow?
Apologies I believe I'm still suffering from psychosis from the unfreezing process.
So how was the First Order defeated?
....
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They couldn't determine which way way up...and attached lasers so powerful to their ships that their destruction caused a chain reaction destroying the entire fleet....
Well I believe I've been awake long enough I think I'd like to sleep for another 500 years until someone competent asks for my help. Good day sir"
After watching the show I am not completely sure about that direction recognition prowess of his.
Disney Canon Thrawn is a stupid person's attempt at writing a smart character. He has all the superficial trappings of a calculating, Tywin Lannister-esque figure without any of the actual intelligence or cunning.
Jesus Christ Dave Filoni writes like a child.
"Omg and then my OC shows up and saves the day with her white lightsabers!"
This is the last thing Ray Stevenson ever got to be in.
Thanks, Disney.
The absolute legend still got to be the only compelling part of the show.
The only one that even tried to bring justice to this franchise 😫😫
obligatory THIRTEEEEN
@@budakbaongsiah Rome was so damn good, It just happened at the wrong time
@@MasterIceyy
Paved the path for Game of Thrones, for good or bad.
Ahsoka literally can't die. Dave Filoni will rip her right out of time and space on multiple occasions to prevent it.
The Goddess Of Force Light will sacrifice herself to save Dave’s OC
@@merkbromerkington3215 These are things that should just be memes, but actually happened. SMDH
Lt. Columbia rulz
@@Sue20022010 All hail Columbia!
I unironically think that the end for Ahsoka will be that she becomes the Avatar of the light side like the lady in the Mortis arc from TCW. Dave Filoni will literally have Ahsoka become the Goddess of the light side of the force because that’s just how "worthy" and "deserving" she has become. I’m calling it now. It’s so bloody predictable.
I love how HUGEWANG is the most human and believable character in this show and he's a fucking robot.
TLP reference RAHHHH
That and Ray Stevenson's character (can't be bothered to remember his name)
@@ghostprojekt We shall call him Titus Pullo, in remembrance of the good days.
Idk, it's pretty believable they'd put completely unqualified women at the head of everything, and give them responsibility over the entire galaxy for which they promptly ruin.
Seems like a running theme with modern star wars
In ESB, Luke was in the bacta tank for approximately 12 hours and rested for another 16 before he was conscious enough to have a conversation. He had some blunt trauma and hypothermia. His injuries were somewhat severe and would take weeks or months to heal from without a bacta tank. But, he didn't have a lightsaber shaped hole through half of his vital organs and wasn't up and running about the next morning.
But, hey, at least Sabine had a hospital to go to and recover in. NO IDEA how Reva survived in Kenobi... twice.
When she teleported to Tatooine, her character model reloaded without the damage
@@yagamifire7861 checks out
Revenge makes you grow two stomachs. It shouldn't even have to be said.
Additional example: When Galen Marek/Starkiller gets stabbed through the belly and thrown into space, he spends 6 months in a coma being surgically reconstructed.
I guess medical tech improved over time
about the terrible lightsaber combat , isn't it funny that the child actor playing ashoka was doing better light saber choreography than the adult woman version.
What I don't understand is why they don't just speed it up a bit to make it seem less geriatric.
@@jonnywaldis8275 shit choreography is also shit if you play it faster. its why hayden is so much better than the rest of the cast in fighting scenes, he clearly knows what he is doing
Oh no doubt, I just figured they could have them enact the fight slowly but in matched speed and then hit fast forward. choreography would still be shit but then at least it wouldn't feel like ahsoka's opponents constantly need to hit the breaks.
Idk maybe that's just not feasible.@@nathanperquin9910
@@nathanperquin9910 It's pretty embarrassing when the Corridor Crew can make a better lightsaber fight than one of the biggest entertainment companies on the planet, who own the studio that literally invented lightsaber combat.
@@shok24199 Blind Wave also have some great lightsabre choreography when they're literally just super fans of Star Wars
Fun fact: bacta tanks were invented half an hour after Qui-gon was killed
Kamino was in touch with Qui-gon before he died.
No one is really gone.
I GET THAT REFERENCE! 😂
Dang, they should have froze him in Carbonite, until the technology was invented. 🤣🤣🤣
What bothered me the most about the scene where Sabine is stabbed is that she has her light saber above her head; if she had just lowered her arms she would cleave her opponent in two.
I know, I don't understand why nobody else has pointed this out!
It's fucking insane how broken that scene is. Nothing works
She didn't slice the sith for the same reason the sith didn't cleave her in two. In fact, given the lack of resistance, it would actually take more effort to _not_ cut the shit out of her.
Tbf even if Sabine sliced her in half, she'd probably still be alive based on how non lethal lightsabres are now
@@MasterIceyy it's fine. She'll just get a mechanical... body and head
I could sort of understand it if we assumed this to be a painful, deadly wound... but clearly, twas but a flesh wound, so no excuses there lol
I don't know if it was a good or bad thing that Luke wasn't mentioned once during this whole cluster. On the one hand, it's insulting that they stole his story and tried to sweep his importance under the carpet, but, on the other, it's good that his character wasn't further assassinated which would've been inevitable. I mean, look what they did to Leia and she didn't even have to appear on screen...
But anakin
He vadered
It’s a good thing that they totally left Luke AND HAN out of this.
At least the audience still mentioned Luke though. Meanwhile, Han Solo was erased from everyone’s memories.
@@nont18411 Han got away relatively fine. Only being dragged by one bad spin off and a couple of cameo
@@dean_l33 he was the first legacy character Disney ruined by making him a deadbeat dad who went back to smuggling for memberberries. How did he get away fine?
@@mr.barcode3186 I mean yeah it's really bad and made his whole arc in the OT redundent but people don't mourn him as much as they mourn Luke
Man, Rosario is so afraid of holding those lightsaber sticks. Hayden immediately goes into full fluid beast mode. That thing is entirely an extension of his body. What a champ. The fight sucks because Rosario is the other half of it, but It's nice watching _someone_ that knows what they're doing with that thing.
women am i right
@@elmagistradofk6286 No. So many women are capable. Just a few examples: Everyone in Kill Bill, Chloe Bruce (Daisy Ridley's stunt double), and hell - even Daisy Ridley isn't very good but she's better than Rosario (and Natasha) at holding a stick.
@@alexhayden219 I'm pretty sure he was joking
@@raufm.2135 I'm pretty sure, too. I just don't want it to go unsaid that there are very capable women in life and media and there's not really an excuse for the level of incompetence on display.
women @@alexhayden219
26:20
Hera: You know who can help you with this.
Ahsoka: I do. Luke Skywalker. I was very recently with him. He's my former master's son and powerful in the Force, as well as a very naturally skilled person in other areas. He only had one student and he kicked the kid out, so he's literally sitting around not doing anything. If we're going up against other Force users, he'd be useful to have along.
Hera:... I meant Sabine. You know, that person that you had an apprentice for a while for some reason, despite her having no Force potential, who apparently hates everyone, now, and will definitely betray you and the entire galaxy on a whim and won't care if you live or die? That bitch. Not Luke Skywalker, hero of the Rebellion, slayer of Death Stars and Emperors. Why would you want him?
Anyone would have been more helpful. Jar Jar would have been more useful. The only issue is Sabine has more plot armor than Jar Jar.
@@Invalidcookie-bv4cxMeesa going to different galaxy
Not to mention Din Djarin sitting around on his homestead with Grogu doing not much at all.
One thing I've noticed in the Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy: Whenever a Lightsaber is drawn in anger, something significant happens. Someone either loses a limb or loses their life.
A Lightsaber drawn in anger CHANGES things.
in Disneywars however, it's just flashing lights and colours, followed by someone running away. It's pathetic how they've reduced such a meaningful thing to a mere lightshow.
Lucas directly states this exact idea in Episode 6 and Episode 2 commentaries.
"You ignored direct orders!"
"No, I ignored you."
"Idiot, I directed the orders that you ignored. You aren't in charge. This isn't a stratocracy. You can't just cooly say you didn't ignore orders but you ignored me or anyone else or this council. You went against orders and got people killed and don't have anything to show for it, as you don't seem to know that you have evidence of what you came here to find. You are a terrible leader and an untrustworthy subordinate."
...
"Oh, Leia approved it against everyone else's wishes and also didn't tell anyone she approved it until after the fact? Okay, all good. There's nothing wrong with that at all. That's definitely not a sign of poor communication or terrible management that's sure to lead to an early end of this New Republic. She's not the Supreme Leader or Chancellor or President or anything. She's a senator of a dead world. but she definitely overrides anything this high council says. Go on. Do whatever you want."
"Senator of a dead world."
What savagery, I like it.
The freaking "wa'd you bring mes"
I love that reference to efap history
I had a dream where Filoni was kidnapped and forced to watch this critique on a loop as punishment for insulting us all with this crap.
"Two squadrons of three craft."
"JUST SAY SIX."
lol
The way this show pads the runtime is a crime against cinematography
Yeah, just imagine cutting out all the empty air between dialog and all the long shots where nothing is happening or communicated to the viewer. The show would be three episodes long
Cut out the actions that don't have consequences and it's 1.
I said this before, but it is so upsetting how clearly desperately Asohka is styled after Miyamoto Musashi's famous two sword style (with the notably smaller off-hand blade) but they just outright refuse to make use of any of the documented ways of how that fighting style works
Filoni is incapable of doing anything beyond a transparently vapid swipe. It would require effort , craft and care. He has none of those things
@@yagamifire7861 I think it's very obvious that Filoni was carried by George, and he can only ever imitate Georges idea's in the most superficial of ways
In Season 2, she is going to pull out a 3rd lightsaber and become like Zoro from One Piece because that's a show people actually watch.
True
Hence the dumbass reference to “Ronin” in the show despite that not even being a word in the SW universe. Because Dave probably thought it sounded “cool”.
Metal losing his mind over all the pregnant pauses is the only thing that brings me joy in life.
Welcome to the Ahsoka series, we have:
. Dragged out scene
. Lackluster acting
. Characters making terrible decisions and not facing consequences
. Expectations that just end up in smoke
. VADERING
. Red lightsabers
. Blue Elon Musk
. Crab People
. Dave Filoni’s creative juices
You forgot “Excessive plot armor for Filoni’s waifu Ahsoka”
Also Dark Soul Sith who turned to green mist
@@nont18411 He was a part of the “Expectations that just end upon smoke”
@@KelShu Oh, neat subtext. Congratulations, you just put more thoughts to the subtext than Dave Filoni did for this show.
Hey, we get RED!
I can sum up rebels and TCW: Dave Filoni writes the best fanfictions about his super cool OC Ahsoka who never does anything wrong or suffers permanent consequences. Except the one tome that she did have consequences but she didnt do that. Dave filoni introduces star wars time travel to save his OC after writers get rid of her in a grand final battle against her former master Darth Vader
The red-haierd lady doesn't pick up her helmet. Alice doesn't collect her lightsaber. The green general lady immediately forgets about the fallen pilots. I am starting to think these characters lack object permanence.
With each day that passes, Disney shows keep spitting on the grave of poor Qui Gon. He cant even rest in peace without being disrespected
This is where the fun comes to die.
I love how there is more EFAP content tearing Disney Star Wars apart than there is Disney Star Wars!
Cheers to the Hate Mongers of the Toxic Brood!
2:14:15 the worst part about not being able to scan inside the ring is that a star destroyer is supposed to dock there for intergalactic hyperspace travel. You'd probably want to be able to determine where everything is in quite some detail to make sure everything lines up correctly.
Watching this with no context from the actual show is very confusing. Why is Thrawn important? He wasn’t even respected by the other higher ups in the empire, and he was most definitely dishonored when he failed at the end or Rebels. Also why did Star Wars go from cutting off peoples hands to stabbing them in the gut?
When they realized it was less work to have actors clutch their stomachs, instead of digitally erasing their hands.
@@Gunleaver I guess current Disney writers/showrunners haven't figured out they didn't really chop off Mark Hamill's hand back during the filming of the OT to achieve that non CGI effect.
He's not important. The Disney trash is banking on his fan boys to have a raging hype boner over him just from name alone. They actually thought every enjoyer of the True Canon would just cream themselves when Ashoka said his name in that Mandalorian episode, then thought that was going to be enough, and that they no longer had to put anymore brain power into it.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. Tbf a lot of Thrawns backstory and importance comes from him being one of the only "aliens" in the Empire, and the only one to rise so high in the ranks.
The problem is Star Wars films and TV shows have never once spoken about how the Empire was supposed to be very human centric and xenophobic
@@MasterIceyy tbf none of that would be a problem if the shows ad movies, had competent writers.
Ok so at this point I need to question why the writers don’t just stick to the whole cutting off arms or legs thing. It might be over used but at least it’s a believably survivable injury.
That might take even slightest bit of effort
It may be considered too graphic
Because they can't have anything remain permanent so the next producer has a clean slate to work with.
Gotta return to that status quo.
My brother had a brilliant theory for why Ezra refused the lightsaber but took the blaster. It’s been so long since Ezra last practiced with a lightsaber he didn’t wanna accidentally cut his own leg off while flailing about with it so he was like “No, *you* take it. Seriously. I totally don’t need it.” Then when he saw a blaster he was like “YES. A weapon that won’t cut my leg off!”
"A weapon that can vaporize my head instead!"
@@silverscorpio24 And then he grabs a lightsaber in the next episode anyway.
Ezra knows how to make a lightsaber better than the droid who's been in charge of making lightsabers for a thousand years. But Ezra tells him "That's not going to work. The blade emitter is too narrow." How many lightsabers have you made in your life? You may have some interesting and innovative ideas (not in this series), but you're the expert here on what's even going to work? And, I thought you didn't need a lightsaber. Motherfucker, sit down and take some notes from your vastly more experienced elders. They might know some things. Creativity and engineering didn't start with you.
What a show, what a show.
Imagine what would it be if after all this search Morgan, Baylan and Alice find a hobo Thrawn with a big geard drinking krab people milk saying "I came to this galaxy to die", that would be a better outcome and still be in theme with Disney Star Wars.
And what about the Baylan and Alice lightsabers? I mean, does becoming a Jedi renegade or a Jedi survivor who does his own path automatically makes you have to wield a red one? I though those came from Sith training.
Ahsoka's ship works with videogame logic, it has been damaged like 3 times in this season, and it always start working like new again. Now they are stranded in another galaxy with no fuel station nearby. Eventually damage will get to a point where they'll need new parts and that's all, no way to get back home.
It's not a red lightsabre otherwise the fans would see Baylan and go 'red? That's red!' I guess it's orange-red because no one with any kind of vague good intentions can appear with a red lightsabre in live action.
Bru. She's got that pilot auto heal buff from battlefront 2. Clearly.
My whole issue with Red lightsabers is that they keep telling us that all these new darkside force users aren't Sith (even though Kylo and Snoke were trained by palpatine) but somehow they always end up with red light sabers? Doesn't getting a red one require soaking the crystal thing that powers it in blood, or some crap? When do they have time to do that?
My understanding was that red lightsabers use a synthetic crystal since they can't get to the Jedi crystal caves, and the synthetic ones are a force no-no and I guess it hurts the force somehow? In any case I guess that methodology would be the go to for non-Jedi force users who want to use the dark side and have a light saber
Unironically would make more sense for Thrawn than Luke. I'd watch that
i hate how this series is such a wasted opportunity for a good Rebels' sequel, all ruined by Dave Filoni's ego, incompetence and his fetish of putting his waifu Ahsoka everywhere for nough reason, this series should have been called differently, and being about all the Rebels characters, which Ahsoka is NOT part of, she was just a Clone wars' guest star, she appears way less than you think in Rebels, and she was just there to finish her storyline from Clone wars in the second season, the season with Vader, which Dave filoni even ruined by bringing her back with stupid time travel, her killed by Vader was a nice ending to her story.
I personally think that this series, its just rotten in its concept and should have been reworked drastically, and with Dave filoni as just the showrunner and some times co-writer like in Rebels and Clone wars, i think it would have made way more sense if the series were splitted into two main storylines which alternate.
The first one with Ezra as the main character, because he's the main character of Rebels, a important role for him makes sense, maybe you open the series with a flashback, a live action recreation of his sacrifice to defeat Thrawn, for establishing better the villain, showing what happens right after they got teleported, maybe they had to become allies to survive in this hostile planet, the classic story of soldiers from 2 different sides stranded somewhere, and then in the present they are enemies, with Ezra as a leader of a rebellion to fight Thrawn, a compelling story about their rivalry and with some good lore about this planet and galaxy.
And then the other main storyline with Sabine as the main character with other Rebels characters like Hera, Kallus (where tf is Kallus here??), Chopper, Zeb. And Ahsoka, as the wise Jedi figure like Ben kenobi in the first Star Wars, and you scrap all of that Jedi training crap of Sabine which is just stupid and unnecessary, so all of those characters, all determined to save Ezra and try to stop Thrawn return, with Ray Stevenson as a compelling villain this time, maybe with Sabine that is the most desperate to save Ezra, with the others that have no hope, maybe because she loves him, it would make a lot of sense according to Rebels last seasons and especially last scenes, not putting it like they did is a retcon, star wars doesn't have a good romance since Empire Strikes back, maybe it was a good opportunity to put one which even already has a setup, it doesn't come out of nowhere.
Damn i despise this series so much, everything is wrong with it, if you watch Rebels its even worse.
Dave created “world between worlds” specifically to give Ahsoka a plot armor.
Because there’s no way Yoda, Obi-wan, Luke and Palpatine have no access to it when all of them are more powerful than Ahsoka.
@@nont18411
Bold of you to assume Ahsoka isn't the most powerful force user in Dave Filoni's Star Wars.
@@nont18411 i know, and its the worst thing of that show for sure
It’s just as well. Ahsoka is implied to be dead by the time of Rise of Skywalker anyway, considering she was one of the voices Rey heard when she was tapping into the spirits of dead Jedi.
@@RebellionInHell i removed that movie from my memory dude, Filoni must be mad about that one lol, his waifu is not a immortal godess after all
My favorite moment was Huehue Yang bringing the derelict starship up in line of sight of _Chimera_ while it was bombarding the citadel instead of behind it.
I was 11 when SW first came out. I never would've guessed it would all come to THIS. With all the books, comics and games, this is where we are. And Hi Rags
I know ull say worth it just to defend ur actions or it's no different then paying for a different kind of entertainment
Even tho it's only 2$ it wasn't enough to get a simple hi back
And this is the exact reason I'll nvr ever give a youtuber my actually money
They r already getting your time and giving u the product for free
If they weren't making enough money already they wouldn't still b doing it
I say this with no.mailce no clowing I just dont understand giving youtubers your actual hard earned money when they r already being paid and in this case providing no real substance to anyone. It's not providing jobs or insurance, it's just to critique other people's work
It's your money to do with as u please tho
3:54:00 And the funniest thiing is that, unlike the Disney shows themselves, those reaction videos are going to be rewatched over and over again.
They will be podcasted and listened to on other devices too. I cannot even tell how many times I did that on my phone already.
"Luke, have I ever told you about Ashoka Tano, your father's exotic teenage apprentice . . ."
Oh lord
More like “Your father’s mistress”
Mf spent more time with Ahsoka than even Padme
"...the child that the Jedi order send to WAR with a band bra"
@@nont18411 Honest to god, I wouldn't have put it past Dave Filoni to have pitched a relationship between Anakin and Ahsoka, if he could get away with it he could.
He keeps pushing this narrative that Ahsoka leaving the Jedi is what really pushed Anakin to the Dark Side
@MasterIceyy he sure does love his special character.
Oh, dont worry, Im sure Ashoka will go to Mortus and balance the force.
Morbus will be in star war ? Very epic
@Tridona "It's Morbin time" -Ahsoka
Hopefully the Son shows back up and stabs her and make this story interesting again.
Also Son> All Ashoka characters , He only got 3- 20 minute episodes as well compared to the 8 - 40 minute episodes
It's kinda weird how Sabine gets reprimanded more for stealing and losing the orb to the bad guys after getting stabbed than she does for voluntarily handing it over knowing what the bad guys plans are.
I honestly fell asleep between episode 3-4 and woke up part way into 4 and literally did not miss anything plot wise, wtf
They don't even understand the word "banished"
Thrawn was not "banished" to another galaxy, he was "stranded" in another galaxy.
Not surprising, words are hard!
It's like 2 syllables. That's too much for Dave.
Cut the poor guy some slack. He's trying his best despite his clear intellectual disabilities
Something to point out:
Old EU Thrawn's whole schtick was that he was an obsessive art collector and studied the art of various cultures and species in order to understand their psychology. Yes this is kind of racist, but it worked, he was introduced in a scene where he accurately assessed in moments the species of a New Republic ship's captain and knew exactly what sort of maneuver they would be psychologically unable to respond to properly and so they were wiped out by what would otherwise be a played-out trick everyone else knew how to beat. There's a lot more about EU Thrawn that's both cool and kind of stupid but this is what I want to focus on.
Rebels Thrawn had ONE really cool scene: Hera comes back to her homeworld and tries to smuggle a priceless family heirloom -- an art object called a kalikori -- out of her family's estate to give it to her father. Ezra is disguised as a scout trooper to look like she's a servant with legitimate escort. Thrawn spots this and immediately arrests Hera, and brings Ezra along, along with the local Imperial commander, where he lets Hera lie for a minute (she assumes Imperial ignorance of her culture and says she wanted to sell it for food for her starving family) then explains there's no way she wanted to sell the kalikori since a Twi'lek family's kalikori is worthless to anyone BUT the family itself, so she must be a family member to want it at all, and since this is the Syndulla family kalikori and Thrawn has seen the Syndulla family portraits from when Hera was a child he is able to confidently announce that she is Hera Syndulla. Ezra waits FOR FUCKING EVER before trying to do something about this but the second he tries to do anything, Thrawn gets him with a stun pistol.
I loved that scene, because it felt like Thrawn was actually making deductions that made clear and logical sense based on his study of art, in a way that wasn't just an abstract "I win" button like the original EU version -- he laid it out in this clear way where if you understood what these various art pieces mean, this would have to be the conclusion you draw. That episode was written by Nicole Dubuc, who only worked on a grand total of 3 episodes of Rebels, one of which was the only other episode of the entire show where Thrawn made an actually clever deduction (Ezra let himself get captured wearing a weird outfit with a false identity, and Thrawn compared a sample of Sabine's graffiti against the lines painted on Ezra's helmet to correctly conclude that this captive was actually Ezra, and since the ISB agent Kallus who captured Ezra would have instantly recognized Ezra but went along with the false identity anyway that meant Kallus was in league with Ezra as a Rebel spy).
We've lost Thrawn twice, once was the based EU Thrawn and once was the arguably more interesting Dubuc Thrawn who only appeared twice and could actually do something smart.
Whether you like them or not, Filoni gets too much credit for "his" animated series. Part of why I think _all_ of "his" characters (and Thrawn) feel so much different in Ahsoka is because he's writing Ahsoka. This is the way he views these characters, and he's also just never been a very good writer. Even though the characters were largely his concepts, it was mostly other, better writers (whether you like Rebels or not) that actually wrote and built these characters.
@@alexhayden219Another thing he has in common with George.
@@Lobsterwithinternet no. George actually desired feedback and criticism when working on the films, he even says that if you wish to contribute you’d have to respect his no. It’s actually the same for him and his producers as his problem with Gary Kurtz is that the guy was quiet and reserved without any tough decision making skills for that job. It’s the reason why Gary didn’t appear for VI and the reason why Rick McCallum produced all the prequels. Rick was a great producer by comparison and wasn’t even a decision Lucas regretted vs Lucas saying he gave Kurtz a second chance with Empire and was just as upset.
So no they don’t have anything in common. Filoni is an actual asshole, instead of showing his intentions he would go behind George’s back after the pre viz show of TCW and alter things to his liking. That has to be the most petty bitch move I’ve heard from any “creative”. He has more in common with Kathleen Kennedy or Leslie Headland compared to George.
@@MancoDanko That’s because Rick was a yes-man who knew that George resented feedback and would can anyone who went against him.
In fact, it took Rick until RotS before he could find a way to convince George he needed acting coaches for Natalie Portman and Hayden since he couldn't tell him that he couldn't direct actors if his life depended on it.
@@Lobsterwithinternet it’s on behind the scenes books and Lucas’ own mouth that he wanted a producer that can hold his ground and argue for alternatives to shooting the film. Gary Kurtz was reported to not even bother confronting the cinematographer at the time because he was timid. Gave Kurtz another try but again the guy was just as timid and absent.
Lucas wanted someone confrontational which is exactly what Rick was. Rick didn’t just sit there, the behind the scenes of the prequels were just as crazy with how much he had to deal with sandstorms in the same area.
Read the Taschen Star Wars Archives for the prequels, it also disproves the yes-man false argument. Anyone working with Lucas who is told this laughs and shuts the idea down. There is no basis that this happened on set, it’s a perpetuated lie by fanboys who tried to make sense out of the prequels and why they were different from the OT.
I’ll paraphrase what was said but Rick himself would say, “if a concept artist gives a blank stares when asked for ideas then they’re not reliable creatives by Lucas’ view”. Star Wars was like recess for these guys working on these ideas and crafting them into one cohesive vision. Something as simple as ship structures is actually thought out as it’s a galactic depiction of the 1920s and the OT being the depiction of the 30s depression era.
The Secret Making of Star Wars also isn’t a reliable source. It’s comprised of disgruntled people who they seem to depict themselves as larger than life. Read the production history.
Finally for your point below, Lucas was using an old style of romance along with the nuance of characters who never had experience being themselves outside of their major roles. The accents also being the blatant example of Lucas’ thesis throughout these films as it shows his experimental approach of continuing film as a universal visual language. It’s no wonder these films are just as loved if not more so because of its dubbing oversees.
George let go of his franchise post ROTS which is why he didn’t crack down on Filoni as hard and just made remarks or suggestions.
I really want to know where was this last point coming from. Mainly because it’s about context. Lucas hired Lawrence for Empire to make the dialogue flow better and yet all the iconic quotes from the film are his. Lucas gave Leigh Brackett had a credit when there is no reference of her screenplay treatment in the final script, Lucas didn’t put his name on the credits for editor when in fact he edited his film after the first guy abandoned the project, Lucas was also involved to lead these films in both V and VI. My issue with the gross misrepresentation is that people who espoused misinformed information managed to get us this dumb idea that we had to have three different directors… while yes three different directors made the films, it was one visionary who was behind it all and reinventing films as large budget cable programs. Look at another series that had done this… Twin Peaks. The same thing happened, the moment Lynch leaves the project after season 2 episode 7, everything else went downhill as it was all about imitations of Lynch but not understanding the world of Twin Peaks, show gets canceled because the creator of the show wasn’t manning the ship.
Both of these franchise’s imitations overseen by Disney…
I swear Jedi and Jedi adjacent characters now are just "insert person with lightsaber". Remember when Jedi had a whole philosophy and set of rules for how they operate within the galaxy? That they literally are one with the world around them?
Mental that people clap like seals for the key jangling, then immediatley forget the slop they've been served.
Seriously. Attitude and mentality have totally been divorced from the Force users. Impatient, angry, quick to frustration Sabine SOMEHOW won't use the dark side because shut up reasons
Remember how Qui-Gon's and Dooku's whole stories were about 2 Jedi who had become completely disillusioned with the order, it's practices, philosophy, and actions, and both of them handled it completely differently. Baylin seems to be much of the same as Qui-Gon and Dooku which is probably why his character is the most interesting in the show.
Instead of having nuance, now it's just light sticks make you a Jedi
I always tell people "just cuz you like eating sugar coated shit doesent mean i do"......
Cassian Andor’s ashes on Scarif are smarter than everyone in this show
More honorable too.
I would follow the ashes of Cassian Andor than any living characters in Ahsoka
Can’t believe no one mentions the DARK SIDE JEDI suggesting Sabine use the travel time for reflection and she says, straight faced, “I try to avoid that”
As a fanfic writer, i caste Dave out for his crimes for not editing his shit before posting
Even the fan praise for this show boils down to about five minutes and a dozen lines in a liminal dimension that imply something meaningful. It speaks to the potential of what new good Star Wars shows could’ve meant to people considering they’re so desperate that their defence of an entire SEASON can rest on the shoulders of one half-baked conversation.
I've been reading Dune recently. The fucking shock between the beautiful, layered, and elegant writing of Dune and this shit is surreal.
A villain like the Baron would conquer the Disney SW galaxy in a weekend
Just wait until you get to the sequel books. It gets super weird and interesting, especially once you hit Book 4.
You should smoke some weed before reading book 4, 5, 6
30:30 "As a jedi, sometimes you have to make the decision that no one else can. That's what I did to defeat Thrawn."
Considering that no one's seen or heard from Ezra since he and Thrawn went to the other galaxy, I have to assume that this recording was made before he "defeated" Thrawn. So... interesting claim, there. Pretty presumptuous. I mean, that just sounds really awkward, doesn't it? Saying it as if it's already a done deal, when it hadn't happened, yet? Who talks like this? At least say "That's why I'm going to defeat Thrawn" or something more along those lines. It would still seem a bit misplaced confidence, but it's better than what we got. Unless all these recordings were made by an AI modeled after Ezra with the knowledge of what did happen...
But, I guess it worked out, right? Whatever... let's go get Thrawn back to this galaxy and undefeat him, invalidating Ezra's sacrifice. Sounds good. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. Wait, that's a terrible idea.
Just read the timothy zahn trilogy. Seriously its better written than anything disney has done so far. It has a competent, threatening thrawn. Luke, han and leia are all prominent too of course. No first order, no resistance, no ahsoka, no sabine.
Just a good continuation of Star Wars after episode 6, its the real sequel trilogy.
Ah, the days when Thrawn was a genuine threat, when he had the intelligence to use cloaked ships to pretend he had a superweapon which could fire straight through a planetary shield.
You said it, Mauler. 3:44:02. You guys make it entertaining and kind of cathartic. Thanks for being here, watching and critiquing the stuff out there so we don't have to, and then providing the experience of a group watch for those of us who cant.
How long will it be before Filoni decides that the planet they're stranded on is actually primordial Earth, and Sabine and Baylon will be Adam and Eve? It's extremely trite so it's right up his alley.
I wouldn't call it trite so much as detritus.
Baylan deserves way better😂
That's what happens in S3 when they let Zack Snyder take a crack at it
Whoa whoa whoa, you think they're gonna have the old white guy be the father of humanity on this planet, with a lesbian? lmao plus the actor has sadly passed... and he was the best thing about the show.
Now they'll see this comment sent to them by their production team and they'll go "oh shitе, they know?! We must invent something else, right now! We cannot allow these plebs to be right!" (different words, same scenario has already occurred) and it will somehow be even worse because they'll have to rewrite the entity of their narrative to fit into new and "post-production can't fix that many things".
Sabine could have learnt that being a Jedi was about upholding the path and the virtues of a Jedi and not about being force sensitive, about being a symbol of peace and justice for the galaxy by learning how to be a better person. It could have been really interesting to see someone who has little to no inate force ability try their best to uphold that position and responsibility through character development and determination to succeed, to become a Jedi because of their actions and not because of their talent, to know her own limits but always try to do the right thing regardless. But no, they had to go and make her actually force sensitive and remove any potential that the character story had, because of course they did. They also clearly had no idea what to do with Shin or Baylin beyond sword fights and brooding stares, such amazing character designs and back stories that could have been explored between the pair of them through their motives, beliefs and plans reduced to angry edge lady and cryptic strong man because Disney has no idea how to write compelling characters or reoccurring rivals that actually show depth and hold ideals and values that make sense from their perspective, what a missed opportunity for this series and a tremendous failing of character throughout the show.
I'm one of the people who like Rebels and the Prequels. I have my own issues with them, but I still like them.
So whenever I see someone like grownup Ahsoka and how shes pushing the Jedi code and rules, I can't help be upset.
Left the Order, refused to return to it, has attachments, and even made it known that she's no Jedi.
All the development in TCW and Rebels. Down the f*cking drain.
Don't even get me started on Hera, Sabine and Ezra.
Hearing Rags come up with tests to confirm Force sensitivity makes me want an entire Jedi Padawan story from him.
My favourite part of this whole thing is Fringy progressively losing more and more of his shit over how bad it is 😂
Watching this I love how at the first episode you spend alot talking about the Sith with the helmet, Starkillar, Ezra, a big reveal - and it turns out he is a green fart!
6:20:28 everyone was distracted by the zombie stormtroopers that no one realize that the tower they had to climb had several blast doors that the genius tactician Thrawn didn't think to close even though his sole objective was to buy time at that point. instead, the heroes get to use them to get away from the zombies
Ashoka and Sabine's relationship being instantly patch reminds me of part of a joke Mauler made during his tlj analysis when mocking someone for saying "fiction has no rules."
'what if Luke Skywalker said, 'rey, the Jedi shouldn't end because they're actually cool lol. Sorry I'm just sleepy I guess.'"
I guess Filloni heard that and thought "so THAT'S how characters work"
"This is not a humiliating defeat at all, but rather a rare species of victory.".
We could use your sarcastic wit, Cato.
He killed himself because he read the rest of the script.
At this point, I'm surprised that Disney doesn't just get a bunch of toys and film a bunch of kids playing with them.
It's what the vast majority of Star Wars fans want anyway.
Seems like it's exactly what they're doing
They are leaving the franchise to manchildren writers, wich are playing with their mary sues, so it's pretty close
Kids playing with toys would be able to come up with a better plot line. That’s why they won’t do it.
@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Yes 12yo me could probably come up with better stories
1:57:59 "Oh, it's Alice."
Thank you Rags! It's just what I had been thinking the whole time!
"People want this guy to be Starkiller from the videogames."
"That's Ezra."
"It's going to be a reveal of some kind."
hahaha... just wait for that reveal. lololol
Filoni’s saber: A fight scene that could be entirely removed from a story without damaging the narrative in any way. A fight in which no one is injured or dies, no character traits are communicated to the audience, and no plot is progressed in a significant way.
Thrawn was there for 10 year and didnt conquer the planet or loaded everything in the temple on the ship but i guess he just waited for 10 years lol
I didn't even realize it was over, I can't physically bring myself to pay attention to this show lol
Same thing here
When the episode 7 and 8 video came out I thought "I'm gonna wait for the episode 9 coverage to come out and watch all 3 at once"
Then when it took too long, I decided to watch 7 and 8, and halfway through episode 8 it dawned on me
"That's it ?"
That was it.
@@igorpedro8995 "That's it?" I guess lmao
A simple dashcam would have solved Hera's evidence troubles. But obviously, the Star Wars Universe is not advanced enough for such miracles of technology.
Her ship actually has one but it's mounted incorrectly since she doesn't know which ways up.
I never understood the single, straight, miles-long highway outside of town that doesn't go anywhere, eventually just ending abruptly, and never has any traffic.
"Thrawn died at the battle of Lothal."
"That was never confirmed."
I don't know why it would even be speculated. His ship wasn't destroyed. It went into hyperspace with the purrgil, and Ezra along with them. Who is this imposter and what have they done with Hera? As far as she - or anyone - should be concerned, they went into hyperspace with an unknown destination and simply haven't been seen, since.
Bit late but I wanted to put in my thoughts.
The main theme of the New Republic seemed to be just putting the past behind them, even to their detriment, and trying to recreate a rose-tinted version of the Republic without dealing with the underlying issues that caused the rise of the Empire in the first place.
@@Lobsterwithinternet I find that incredibly stupid but can accept it as a policy for government bureaucrats that we don't know. I can't accept it for freedom fighters that we do know and that were there for the events. She could even tow the line to make nice with her government if she wants - I don't think she would, but fine - but in private communication with Ahsoka she's not going to speak that BS. She witnessed what happened with her own actual eyeballs.
@@alexhayden219 Politics is often pretty stupid in real life. But I agree it is incredibly stupid.
And it’s pretty often the case that freedom fighters who get into power often don't do too well since their skill sets don't gel well in politics where it's more about administration and balancing the needs and wants of many people who you need to satisfy to keep in power. Even in the EU this happened with Leia being a competent leader but being driven out by more slimy people.
But yeah, the way they portrayed it was pretty stupid.
My favorite part of that Dark Souls bossfight at the end was that everytime she took damage it immediately healed back. That's amazing.
that's the benefit of upgrading your Estus and kindling up to 20
2:51:10 Fulcrum is in reference to Asokha's codename in rebels when Kanan and the gang were in contact with her without knowing it was her, because this series is one big reference to rebels and pretty much nothing else
Yoda is lime flavoured, Maz is lemon flavoured. They come from planet citrus. You can tell from their head shapes.
MauLer: I like the- they seem to nail robotic movements. Good job, show.
Rags: That's true, yeah. And the droids in the show, they really nail the robotic movements, as well.
MauLer: Heh heh heh
Just an eldritch horror man and his doggo, having good times, making witty commentary. :)
4:12:20 Yes, I absolutely believe that Filoni would introduce ancient Earth into Star Wars if he would be allowed to. And, yes, I am aware that that already happened in some single issue of a comic somewhere at some point. I do largely prefer Legends over Disney Wars, but not all Legends are created equal.
1:09:01
He is mostly correct.
When Japan and Germany were defeated, a lot of the factors that were still intact we're still manned by the same people who ran them during the war. In the end most rank and file just want to live. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
With the tracking nonsense in Episode 2, why wouldn't Star Wars have something like the Cole Protocol from Halo. You know, a protocol where you would make a random jump before going to your destination to make it pretty much impossible for anyone to follow you; especially when you know you were being chased.
Because that would require more then surface level thinking of science fiction, which none of these disnoids can do.
Sabine in her prison cell: I was hoping for a room with a view.
Baylan: Bitch, you live on Lothal. That place ain't got no windows.
Sabine: You promised me I would see Ezra again.
Baylan: You...you know we don't have him on this ship, right? You know we're still traveling between galaxies? What the hell do you expect me to say here? How the hell am I supposed to respond to that _insanely pointless_ statement?
Something important to note is that Dave co-wrote a handful of TCW episodes and only actually wrote the last four himself (the Siege of Mandalore), and for Rebels he only wrote three himself. Both shows were otherwise mostly staffed with writers who had prior experience writing half-hour TV cartoons. Those shows are still absolutely riddled with problems, but they never got THIS bad, and I think at this point it’s pretty clear Dave was NOT ready to spread his wings as a solo writer.
And yet here we are, that’s the future Disney is plotting for us instead of trying to bottle what Tony Gilroy’s doing.
"He'll definitely be a reveal" aged like wine
Seriously, it bugs me how not a single character in star wars ever moves the lightsaber up after stabbing someone. You will bissect their brain and there is no way anyone can come back from that.
So the captain guy that let the not jedi's on his ship got stabbed in a far less dangerous area than sabine, looked like the middle right lung lobe area for the captain dude? so thats like 1 destroyed of 3 lobes in the rt lung so he'd have a pneumothorax with some bleeding, possibly deadly if untreated but a simple chest tube fixes that and you'd live for hours possibly days or not even die depending on severity. Sabine gets stabbed through her liver I believe? It's death within minutes. The Liver has massive blood flow to it if the hepatic portal artery or vein is severed it's only slightly not as bad so she'd live like 3 minutes with possible lower right lung and rib destruction front and back. wtf disney, make light sabers dangerous again
Mandalorians have 2 livers. It shouldn't even need to be said!
@@thejemstone9219 Oh duh I forgot :*(
One also has to consider all the mass that was in the spot now occupied by the saber is flash heated into super heated gas that immediately expands into the surrounding tissue of the body. There's a damn good reason red mist burst put of Maul
@@yagamifire7861 well yes but i was going by how the source treats the wounds but yea it would cause violent explosive evaporation on top of al of that
It'd cauterize the wond in the same way diving into the sun would.
Ok so in theory that was an old night sister temple, and inside it, for some reason, was stored a magic ball which they locked that contains a really old map of space whale migration, and they ONLY do this one single path to this one specific planet. They just go back and forth all the time for some reason.
Ok are you following so far? Great.
So this magic ball contains this map, also known as a picture of the two galaxies and a straight line connecting them, cause all the minds of the Star Wars galaxy couldn't decipher that fucking strategy. Now, this magic ball is unlocked by just rotating the sections a couple times, and there is NO security system incorporated, it doesn't like shock the fuck outta someone that guesses the wrong pattern or explode or anything. You can just keep trying it forever and it'll activate when it's correct. The password to this magic ball, is just written on the ground in the place that it's kept. There's also a password to get it OUT of that temple in the first place, but that password is literally just turning the pillars which are the only notable features of the room and when they're in the right position, they lock in place and shit starts glowing. So it's impossible to NOT get the password right. Ok? Still following?
Right, so the night sisters are from Dathomir, that's where Darth Maul is from but they just look like humans for some reason, they don't even have head spikes. They supposedly use the force, but when THEY use it, it's MAGIC. They can fucking teleport, short distances at the very least, they can move objects too, they can cast repairo from harry potter for some reason, they can RESURRECT THE DEAD, don't ask, they can just create things out of thin air, they can do all sorts of weird shit that has nothing to do with Jedi or Sith, it's literally magic spells.
So........ These magic balls, can also be operated via their magic bullshit.
And the night sisters decided, NOT to make it so these magic balls work ONLY for their force magic, but they'll work for their force magic AND ALSO if someone just guesses the combination, of which there's not really that many. Also even if there were more, there's no security, so a droid can just be programmed to try everything until something changes. Even if we assume droids didn't exist when this map was made (How?) again there's no cost for getting the combination wrong, so whoever really wants to solve it can just keep trying different combinations, it'd only take some paper and a pen to track them. Even assuming it takes YEARS to guess the combination AND whoever found the magic ball decided NOT to take pictures of the temple it was stored in, because remember the combination is just written very obviously in the temple, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to use the map for anyone but a night sister if you just make it so you NEED night sister magic to operate it at all. It's like locking your car door at night, but the car is designed without windows. Then the car is turned on using the special key, or you can just enter the 4 digit password and no matter how many times you enter it wrong, it won't do anything. Also the password is written on the back seat.
This show is so fucking bad!
Oh and just to be petty.
Shin, the blonde sith girl's name?
It's clear by now Filoni is a massive weeb, so this is definitely meant to be the Japanese name.
Which is a guy's name. I've NEVER seen any woman in any context named Shin.
The space whales are the most crazy thing, how did they naturally develop hyper speed travel but hyper speed travel that is orders of magnitude faster than normal hyper speed.
They had to use 7 or 9 super star destroyed hyper drive cores to achieve the same speed as the star whales, like wtf?
@@MasterIceyy Mass Effect did huge powerful creatures that can travel through space on their own right.
They're aquatic creatures that developed technology to augment themselves so they could fuck off into space on a whim. Leviathans they're called, they're pretty cool.
You CAN do enormous space creatures correctly, but that would be unfathomably hard as Star Wars is constructed, and it's DEFINITELY not just going "Yeah they just exist, what even is hyperspace really, just don't think about it."
@@haku8135 Yes I'm a big fan of Mass Effect and know the lore, however the big difference is ME was written by competent people
Months later, but I just came back and watched this, and I have more to add.
So based on everything leading up to this, the Empire is convinced Thrawn is still alive and is going to return. Also, Ahsoka is convinced since she's looking for him in Mando Season 2. The only reasonable source we can deduce now is that Morgan Elsbeth was in communion through Force magics or something with the Dathomiri witches in Galaxy 2, and she decided to tell Empire people that she knew where Thrawn was. Except she didn't know exactly where Thrawn was because she needed a map. But also, she knew exactly where the map was since she told Ahsoka how to find it.
How is it remotely possible that Elsbeth or the Empire had not collected the map prior to Ahsoka showing up? The only reason Ahsoka is looking for Elsbeth is that she knows that Elsbeth knows the way to Thrawn, and the only way she could have learned that is from Elsbeth having shared that information with someone else and Ahsoka must have picked up on the Empire suits chatting about it. But if they were chatting about it, they had to have gotten that information from Elsbeth, who could have told them where the map is, and there's no reason she wouldn't have told them about the map if she's telling them about her plan to go fetch Thrawn.
But also, why would Morgan Elsbeth even been talking psychically with the Night Sisters, or whatever? They just decided to start sending out space skypes that said, "Hey, there's this guy here, Thrawn, he seems like he's plot relevant. Anyone want to come fetch him?" Like they're setting up an RPG quest board or something. Why would they think to tell Elsbeth about Thrawn, specifically?
It's all convoluted nonsense because nobody has any idea with an actual throughline.
I watched the show first, but it's so much better to hear you guys rip into it using just pure logic-brain! Thank you EFAP team!
Imagine being Morgan Elsbeth. You work for years to bring together enough resources to create a giant intergalactic hyperspace ring, recruit two sith from seemingly nowhere, track down an ancient night sister map that just so happens to lead to the planet that Thrawn, the legendary tactical genius of the empire, is trapped on, and even manage to evade one of the last jedi in existence. Then, despite telling him multiple times that his plan isn't working, you watch as this "genius" completely fumbles what should have been the most one sided battle in galactic history and wastes all your hard work, before commanding you to kill yourself just so he can barely get away. What a fucking insult.
The amusing part of the weekly reminders in Ahsoka is that it's a weekly show, a show that can easily be rewatched because of the day and age we live in, and it has a recap at the beginning of each episode, so writing in reminders of things that happened between characters is just wasted time. Compared to other media like the manga One Piece where it trusts the viewer's investment and rarely uses recaps or reminds the audience of what happened, only recently did it do that because the context between the characters literally occurred a real-time decade ago.
I'm looking forward to EFAP watching The Acolyte, I bet that's going to be good!
Also, as a Fleet Junkie, the *only* positive of the show is that we've finally been able to see E-Wings on screen!
The only things I liked in the whole show was Baylan and Shin, and sadly Ray Stevenson died, hopefully he didn't know how bad the final product actually was before he went. Hopefully they don't cgi him in the next season and just let him be.
Don’t have high hopes. Just look at what they did to Peter Cushing in Rogue One.
What in the fuck did you like about discount Alice??
@@HerohammerStudios At least she was Pretty? Which is still more to like than 90% of Disney SW characters.
@@HerohammerStudios No idea who Alice is, so, couldn't speak to that. She was more than just a non-character like the mist filled walking suit of 16 century armor. I thought she had at least a certain appeal to her, but yeah, that's about it, it's as much as we can hope for now.
@@HerohammerStudios My guess as to why anyone would like her is that she hasn't opened her mouth for more than a paragraph across this entire show. that means she hasn't said anything that stupid (yet), which elevates her above about 95% of modern Disney female characters.
One of the main reasons why Disney STAR WARS lightsabers fights are so shit is because they're now using these big, clunky lightsaber props that also emit natural light so they blend into the environment better, whereas with the prequels, they were using lightweight tubes and adding the effects in after. The speed at which you can swing those lightweight tubes is incredible, whereas the big clunky ones are harder to wield and also don't wanna be broken.
It is also because modern stage combat is getting slowly worse and worse due to health and safety concerns (which can be valid) and a generally low bar of entry for most actors (i.e. if you can swing a sword around and not endanger the other person then that's good enough)
I will give special props to the fight with Baylan and Ray Stevenson, as it looks like they did at least do their homework on two handed sword fighting techniques, there's quite a few stances and moves in there that are straight out of manuscripts from Talhoffer and Fiore De Libre, and Ray himself seems like a really decent fighter (such a shame and such a waste), but overall the choreography is still garbage.
Somehow makes it worse in a way, they could have produced really good fights with legitimate techniques and they just squandered it.
5:07:20 I might be mishearing it, but I think Ahsoka says, "He [Anakin] made 20 or more of these recordings." Wouldn't it be a better depiction of her character for her to have memorized all of the recordings out of a desire to preserve her connection to Anakin? It might have been kind of neat for her to use a specific number rather than "20 or more".
Having listened to this a dozen times since release, I'm surprised that crap slipped past me until now.
1:46:30 "Your skill with a weapon comes from your Mandalorian upbringing."
Oh, is that why she sucks and doesn't seem like she's ever used a weapon in her whole life?
It's amazing how our two main characters are supposed to be two of the most ultimate warriors, but are very obviously unskilled and untrained in anything they're doing, are very slow in their movements, very inaccurate, and everyone else on the show seems to have practiced much more and needs to slow themselves down to be at the speed of these two obvious novices. Like, I have no idea how much Rosario has practiced or learned, but she's been Ahsoka for a few years now and knew this show was happening. Sabine (I don't care to look up who that actress is) has been a done deal for a while, too. IDK what else they have going on or how much they actually trained or how much Lucasfilm encouraged them to train, but neither look like they've ever picked up any kind of weapon before and the best they know how to do is pose and very slowly go through their choreography while looking like they're afraid to hit their baseball bat against the other person's baseball bat, but are definitely trying to hit that bat and not the person. And any flourishes they might do or spins they might throw in look like they're afraid to drop their weapon or trip over their own feet, and leave themselves completely open to attack at all times. Then, you have Ewan and Hayden that, whatever you think of the other parts of the prequels, obviously put serious time into practicing, learning, having fun, and just becoming generally pretty competent in using lightsabers and still can pick one up and whip it around like it's a natural extension of their body.
I'm just saying, IDK if Rosario and [insert Sabine's actress here] are just naturally clumsy or they just didn't put the time in or what, but in a show where they're supposed to be sword fighters, their skills are embarrassingly lacking and they should've been required to put some time in before filming (assuming they didn't, as they don't come off as though they did).
There's unnecessary flourishes and spins in the prequels, but it's done at a pace and confidence that shows they know what they're doing when they do it.
Also, not Rosario's fault, but stop having Ahsoka reverse grip so much. There are limited cases where this is useful, and in most cases it will be a detriment. The muscles it requires are just not as strong, your handhold allows for more pushback against yourself, and it vastly shortens your reach, with Ahsoka having a smaller reach than most of her opponents to begin with. At best, she should hold her tanto/smaller blade in reverse grip with her primary/dominant/attack hand in forward grip, but it just shouldn't be her default grip with either sword. It can sometimes be useful in very close quarters knife fights or can be useful to be proficient in drawing the longsword out of it's sheath in reverse grip, then switching to forward grip, but lightsabers don't have sheaths.
But, at least _LOOK_ like you know what you're doing with it. The rule of cool doesn't really apply if you still look like an amatuer untrained cosplayer.
6:08:00 - Didn't really think about it until now but wouldn't it be incredibly dangerous to turn on a lightsaber for the first time in something like a starship? If the settings are off it feels like it could do incredible damage.
Fun fakt lightsaber can explode
3:51:20 migrating between galaxies... Not just solar systems at tens to hundreds of lightyears apart, but galaxies. At tens of thousands of lightyears apart... Thats a big fuck off distance to migrate for something so relatively small.
Also, does baleen suddenly filter dark matter/energy or something? There's a lot of space in between, and they'd have to refill their tanks somehow...
The fact that Ray Stevenson's last project was Ahsoka is a travesty
Ship is the fulcrum because the wings spin/pivot around the center so yeah rags is right lol
Fulcrum was Ashoka's code name in the nascent Rebellion. As was Cassian's.
Fulcrums were actors of leverage against the Empire (so subtle lol)
4:10:23 was that a History Of The World reference?
The crew pointing out how Thrawn clearly hasn't done anything besides sit around on his Star Destroyer for however many years it's been made me think of something else.
Failoni wanted to implement the 'different galaxy' thing because he wanted to fool the audience into thinking they'd be seeing something truly alien to what we're used to, when what we got was just another backwater Outer Rim planet. Why would you go to the trouble of introducing an entire separate galaxy if you're not going to take the time to actually flesh it out?
Imagine if we learned that Thrawn had to ground and conceal his Star Destroyer to keep from being noticed by this galaxy's massive interstellar civilization. Or if he traveled between worlds, garnering support for the cause of the Empire and recruiting new alien civilizations to travel back to the main galaxy and fight the war together. Or if he decided to take root here, creating his own faction to take over a portion of this galaxy.
We could have learned that Thrawn, his army, and his Star Destroyer were detained by whatever civilization rules this galaxy, and we could see him bargain with Ahsoka and crew to help him escape in exchange for information on Ezra's whereabouts. We could have seen the other galaxy preparing to wage war on the main one following the discovery of the Star Destroyer, and the good guys and bad guys teaming up to stop them, providing us with the juiciest of opportunities for the development of characters, relationships, and interpersonal conflict.
Basically, Failoni could have used this new setting as an opportunity to explore scenarios that would be impossible in the main galaxy, but he opted instead to go with the laziest version of it. Nice.
I think Dave Filoni must have been part of some kind of roleplay group at LucasFilm while making the Clone Wars and then he decided it would be a great idea to turn his roleplay stories into TV shows, it explains why he can't let his own characters die
He's a child. Like what the hell is the naming convention for these episodes? So unbelievably dumb.
Dave had people to tell him no during clone wars, like Sam W.
One thing I noticed is how only droids really get killed, other than the odd storm troopers every now and then, Star Wars now is so non-lethal, blasters are pointless now, due to everyone being covered in beskar, or just missing constantly.
Lightsabre's are now non lethal unless it's the bad guys getting hit by them.
Their target audience is children now
I'm just picturing police officers replacing tasers with lightsabers for nonlethal/less than lethal since they obviously don't kill.