This is all reactions popped into a compilation, we got Saw X on Monday and so closes the Spooktober of 2023 with an Amnesia: The Bunker stream from yours truly o/
There is no counter to that genius! Well, actually, if the empire knew which way was up in that movie they would have won....hmm. Okay, Thrawn would actually be the doom of the galaxy.
I'd like it if they froze Thrawn in carbonite and woke him up after the rise of skywalker. *Thrawn* "So the First Order was defeated, I suppose the New Republic overwhelmed them with.... The New Republic was obliterated you say? In 1 day? Well I suppose the Jedi Order managed to infiltrate and destroy the leaders of the.... Completely annialated? By 1 student? With Luke Skywalker becoming a depressed Hermit drinking blue titty milk from an obese tentacle cow? Apologies I believe I'm still suffering from psychosis from the unfreezing process. So how was the First Order defeated? .... .... They couldn't determine which way way up...and attached lasers so powerful to their ships that their destruction caused a chain reaction destroying the entire fleet.... Well I believe I've been awake long enough I think I'd like to sleep for another 500 years until someone competent asks for my help. Good day sir"
Disney Canon Thrawn is a stupid person's attempt at writing a smart character. He has all the superficial trappings of a calculating, Tywin Lannister-esque figure without any of the actual intelligence or cunning.
Idk, it's pretty believable they'd put completely unqualified women at the head of everything, and give them responsibility over the entire galaxy for which they promptly ruin.
In ESB, Luke was in the bacta tank for approximately 12 hours and rested for another 16 before he was conscious enough to have a conversation. He had some blunt trauma and hypothermia. His injuries were somewhat severe and would take weeks or months to heal from without a bacta tank. But, he didn't have a lightsaber shaped hole through half of his vital organs and wasn't up and running about the next morning. But, hey, at least Sabine had a hospital to go to and recover in. NO IDEA how Reva survived in Kenobi... twice.
Additional example: When Galen Marek/Starkiller gets stabbed through the belly and thrown into space, he spends 6 months in a coma being surgically reconstructed.
about the terrible lightsaber combat , isn't it funny that the child actor playing ashoka was doing better light saber choreography than the adult woman version.
@@jonnywaldis8275 shit choreography is also shit if you play it faster. its why hayden is so much better than the rest of the cast in fighting scenes, he clearly knows what he is doing
Oh no doubt, I just figured they could have them enact the fight slowly but in matched speed and then hit fast forward. choreography would still be shit but then at least it wouldn't feel like ahsoka's opponents constantly need to hit the breaks. Idk maybe that's just not feasible.@@nathanperquin9910
@@nathanperquin9910 It's pretty embarrassing when the Corridor Crew can make a better lightsaber fight than one of the biggest entertainment companies on the planet, who own the studio that literally invented lightsaber combat.
I don't know if it was a good or bad thing that Luke wasn't mentioned once during this whole cluster. On the one hand, it's insulting that they stole his story and tried to sweep his importance under the carpet, but, on the other, it's good that his character wasn't further assassinated which would've been inevitable. I mean, look what they did to Leia and she didn't even have to appear on screen...
It’s a good thing that they totally left Luke AND HAN out of this. At least the audience still mentioned Luke though. Meanwhile, Han Solo was erased from everyone’s memories.
@@dean_l33 he was the first legacy character Disney ruined by making him a deadbeat dad who went back to smuggling for memberberries. How did he get away fine?
26:20 Hera: You know who can help you with this. Ahsoka: I do. Luke Skywalker. I was very recently with him. He's my former master's son and powerful in the Force, as well as a very naturally skilled person in other areas. He only had one student and he kicked the kid out, so he's literally sitting around not doing anything. If we're going up against other Force users, he'd be useful to have along. Hera:... I meant Sabine. You know, that person that you had an apprentice for a while for some reason, despite her having no Force potential, who apparently hates everyone, now, and will definitely betray you and the entire galaxy on a whim and won't care if you live or die? That bitch. Not Luke Skywalker, hero of the Rebellion, slayer of Death Stars and Emperors. Why would you want him?
What bothered me the most about the scene where Sabine is stabbed is that she has her light saber above her head; if she had just lowered her arms she would cleave her opponent in two.
She didn't slice the sith for the same reason the sith didn't cleave her in two. In fact, given the lack of resistance, it would actually take more effort to _not_ cut the shit out of her.
Man, Rosario is so afraid of holding those lightsaber sticks. Hayden immediately goes into full fluid beast mode. That thing is entirely an extension of his body. What a champ. The fight sucks because Rosario is the other half of it, but It's nice watching _someone_ that knows what they're doing with that thing.
@@elmagistradofk6286 No. So many women are capable. Just a few examples: Everyone in Kill Bill, Chloe Bruce (Daisy Ridley's stunt double), and hell - even Daisy Ridley isn't very good but she's better than Rosario (and Natasha) at holding a stick.
@@raufm.2135 I'm pretty sure, too. I just don't want it to go unsaid that there are very capable women in life and media and there's not really an excuse for the level of incompetence on display.
One thing I've noticed in the Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy: Whenever a Lightsaber is drawn in anger, something significant happens. Someone either loses a limb or loses their life. A Lightsaber drawn in anger CHANGES things. in Disneywars however, it's just flashing lights and colours, followed by someone running away. It's pathetic how they've reduced such a meaningful thing to a mere lightshow.
Ezra knows how to make a lightsaber better than the droid who's been in charge of making lightsabers for a thousand years. But Ezra tells him "That's not going to work. The blade emitter is too narrow." How many lightsabers have you made in your life? You may have some interesting and innovative ideas (not in this series), but you're the expert here on what's even going to work? And, I thought you didn't need a lightsaber. Motherfucker, sit down and take some notes from your vastly more experienced elders. They might know some things. Creativity and engineering didn't start with you.
Yeah, just imagine cutting out all the empty air between dialog and all the long shots where nothing is happening or communicated to the viewer. The show would be three episodes long
"You ignored direct orders!" "No, I ignored you." "Idiot, I directed the orders that you ignored. You aren't in charge. This isn't a stratocracy. You can't just cooly say you didn't ignore orders but you ignored me or anyone else or this council. You went against orders and got people killed and don't have anything to show for it, as you don't seem to know that you have evidence of what you came here to find. You are a terrible leader and an untrustworthy subordinate." ... "Oh, Leia approved it against everyone else's wishes and also didn't tell anyone she approved it until after the fact? Okay, all good. There's nothing wrong with that at all. That's definitely not a sign of poor communication or terrible management that's sure to lead to an early end of this New Republic. She's not the Supreme Leader or Chancellor or President or anything. She's a senator of a dead world. but she definitely overrides anything this high council says. Go on. Do whatever you want."
I said this before, but it is so upsetting how clearly desperately Asohka is styled after Miyamoto Musashi's famous two sword style (with the notably smaller off-hand blade) but they just outright refuse to make use of any of the documented ways of how that fighting style works
@@yagamifire7861 I think it's very obvious that Filoni was carried by George, and he can only ever imitate Georges idea's in the most superficial of ways
Hence the dumbass reference to “Ronin” in the show despite that not even being a word in the SW universe. Because Dave probably thought it sounded “cool”.
i hate how this series is such a wasted opportunity for a good Rebels' sequel, all ruined by Dave Filoni's ego, incompetence and his fetish of putting his waifu Ahsoka everywhere for nough reason, this series should have been called differently, and being about all the Rebels characters, which Ahsoka is NOT part of, she was just a Clone wars' guest star, she appears way less than you think in Rebels, and she was just there to finish her storyline from Clone wars in the second season, the season with Vader, which Dave filoni even ruined by bringing her back with stupid time travel, her killed by Vader was a nice ending to her story. I personally think that this series, its just rotten in its concept and should have been reworked drastically, and with Dave filoni as just the showrunner and some times co-writer like in Rebels and Clone wars, i think it would have made way more sense if the series were splitted into two main storylines which alternate. The first one with Ezra as the main character, because he's the main character of Rebels, a important role for him makes sense, maybe you open the series with a flashback, a live action recreation of his sacrifice to defeat Thrawn, for establishing better the villain, showing what happens right after they got teleported, maybe they had to become allies to survive in this hostile planet, the classic story of soldiers from 2 different sides stranded somewhere, and then in the present they are enemies, with Ezra as a leader of a rebellion to fight Thrawn, a compelling story about their rivalry and with some good lore about this planet and galaxy. And then the other main storyline with Sabine as the main character with other Rebels characters like Hera, Kallus (where tf is Kallus here??), Chopper, Zeb. And Ahsoka, as the wise Jedi figure like Ben kenobi in the first Star Wars, and you scrap all of that Jedi training crap of Sabine which is just stupid and unnecessary, so all of those characters, all determined to save Ezra and try to stop Thrawn return, with Ray Stevenson as a compelling villain this time, maybe with Sabine that is the most desperate to save Ezra, with the others that have no hope, maybe because she loves him, it would make a lot of sense according to Rebels last seasons and especially last scenes, not putting it like they did is a retcon, star wars doesn't have a good romance since Empire Strikes back, maybe it was a good opportunity to put one which even already has a setup, it doesn't come out of nowhere. Damn i despise this series so much, everything is wrong with it, if you watch Rebels its even worse.
Dave created “world between worlds” specifically to give Ahsoka a plot armor. Because there’s no way Yoda, Obi-wan, Luke and Palpatine have no access to it when all of them are more powerful than Ahsoka.
It’s just as well. Ahsoka is implied to be dead by the time of Rise of Skywalker anyway, considering she was one of the voices Rey heard when she was tapping into the spirits of dead Jedi.
My brother had a brilliant theory for why Ezra refused the lightsaber but took the blaster. It’s been so long since Ezra last practiced with a lightsaber he didn’t wanna accidentally cut his own leg off while flailing about with it so he was like “No, *you* take it. Seriously. I totally don’t need it.” Then when he saw a blaster he was like “YES. A weapon that won’t cut my leg off!”
Watching this with no context from the actual show is very confusing. Why is Thrawn important? He wasn’t even respected by the other higher ups in the empire, and he was most definitely dishonored when he failed at the end or Rebels. Also why did Star Wars go from cutting off peoples hands to stabbing them in the gut?
@@Gunleaver I guess current Disney writers/showrunners haven't figured out they didn't really chop off Mark Hamill's hand back during the filming of the OT to achieve that non CGI effect.
He's not important. The Disney trash is banking on his fan boys to have a raging hype boner over him just from name alone. They actually thought every enjoyer of the True Canon would just cream themselves when Ashoka said his name in that Mandalorian episode, then thought that was going to be enough, and that they no longer had to put anymore brain power into it.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. Tbf a lot of Thrawns backstory and importance comes from him being one of the only "aliens" in the Empire, and the only one to rise so high in the ranks. The problem is Star Wars films and TV shows have never once spoken about how the Empire was supposed to be very human centric and xenophobic
What a show, what a show. Imagine what would it be if after all this search Morgan, Baylan and Alice find a hobo Thrawn with a big geard drinking krab people milk saying "I came to this galaxy to die", that would be a better outcome and still be in theme with Disney Star Wars. And what about the Baylan and Alice lightsabers? I mean, does becoming a Jedi renegade or a Jedi survivor who does his own path automatically makes you have to wield a red one? I though those came from Sith training. Ahsoka's ship works with videogame logic, it has been damaged like 3 times in this season, and it always start working like new again. Now they are stranded in another galaxy with no fuel station nearby. Eventually damage will get to a point where they'll need new parts and that's all, no way to get back home.
It's not a red lightsabre otherwise the fans would see Baylan and go 'red? That's red!' I guess it's orange-red because no one with any kind of vague good intentions can appear with a red lightsabre in live action.
My whole issue with Red lightsabers is that they keep telling us that all these new darkside force users aren't Sith (even though Kylo and Snoke were trained by palpatine) but somehow they always end up with red light sabers? Doesn't getting a red one require soaking the crystal thing that powers it in blood, or some crap? When do they have time to do that?
My understanding was that red lightsabers use a synthetic crystal since they can't get to the Jedi crystal caves, and the synthetic ones are a force no-no and I guess it hurts the force somehow? In any case I guess that methodology would be the go to for non-Jedi force users who want to use the dark side and have a light saber
My favorite moment was Huehue Yang bringing the derelict starship up in line of sight of _Chimera_ while it was bombarding the citadel instead of behind it.
Ok so at this point I need to question why the writers don’t just stick to the whole cutting off arms or legs thing. It might be over used but at least it’s a believably survivable injury.
Even the fan praise for this show boils down to about five minutes and a dozen lines in a liminal dimension that imply something meaningful. It speaks to the potential of what new good Star Wars shows could’ve meant to people considering they’re so desperate that their defence of an entire SEASON can rest on the shoulders of one half-baked conversation.
2:14:15 the worst part about not being able to scan inside the ring is that a star destroyer is supposed to dock there for intergalactic hyperspace travel. You'd probably want to be able to determine where everything is in quite some detail to make sure everything lines up correctly.
Just read the timothy zahn trilogy. Seriously its better written than anything disney has done so far. It has a competent, threatening thrawn. Luke, han and leia are all prominent too of course. No first order, no resistance, no ahsoka, no sabine. Just a good continuation of Star Wars after episode 6, its the real sequel trilogy.
Ah, the days when Thrawn was a genuine threat, when he had the intelligence to use cloaked ships to pretend he had a superweapon which could fire straight through a planetary shield.
Hopefully the Son shows back up and stabs her and make this story interesting again. Also Son> All Ashoka characters , He only got 3- 20 minute episodes as well compared to the 8 - 40 minute episodes
It's kinda weird how Sabine gets reprimanded more for stealing and losing the orb to the bad guys after getting stabbed than she does for voluntarily handing it over knowing what the bad guys plans are.
3:54:00 And the funniest thiing is that, unlike the Disney shows themselves, those reaction videos are going to be rewatched over and over again. They will be podcasted and listened to on other devices too. I cannot even tell how many times I did that on my phone already.
The red-haierd lady doesn't pick up her helmet. Alice doesn't collect her lightsaber. The green general lady immediately forgets about the fallen pilots. I am starting to think these characters lack object permanence.
Watching this I love how at the first episode you spend alot talking about the Sith with the helmet, Starkillar, Ezra, a big reveal - and it turns out he is a green fart!
Ashoka and Sabine's relationship being instantly patch reminds me of part of a joke Mauler made during his tlj analysis when mocking someone for saying "fiction has no rules." 'what if Luke Skywalker said, 'rey, the Jedi shouldn't end because they're actually cool lol. Sorry I'm just sleepy I guess.'" I guess Filloni heard that and thought "so THAT'S how characters work"
I swear Jedi and Jedi adjacent characters now are just "insert person with lightsaber". Remember when Jedi had a whole philosophy and set of rules for how they operate within the galaxy? That they literally are one with the world around them? Mental that people clap like seals for the key jangling, then immediatley forget the slop they've been served.
Seriously. Attitude and mentality have totally been divorced from the Force users. Impatient, angry, quick to frustration Sabine SOMEHOW won't use the dark side because shut up reasons
Remember how Qui-Gon's and Dooku's whole stories were about 2 Jedi who had become completely disillusioned with the order, it's practices, philosophy, and actions, and both of them handled it completely differently. Baylin seems to be much of the same as Qui-Gon and Dooku which is probably why his character is the most interesting in the show. Instead of having nuance, now it's just light sticks make you a Jedi
Something to point out: Old EU Thrawn's whole schtick was that he was an obsessive art collector and studied the art of various cultures and species in order to understand their psychology. Yes this is kind of racist, but it worked, he was introduced in a scene where he accurately assessed in moments the species of a New Republic ship's captain and knew exactly what sort of maneuver they would be psychologically unable to respond to properly and so they were wiped out by what would otherwise be a played-out trick everyone else knew how to beat. There's a lot more about EU Thrawn that's both cool and kind of stupid but this is what I want to focus on. Rebels Thrawn had ONE really cool scene: Hera comes back to her homeworld and tries to smuggle a priceless family heirloom -- an art object called a kalikori -- out of her family's estate to give it to her father. Ezra is disguised as a scout trooper to look like she's a servant with legitimate escort. Thrawn spots this and immediately arrests Hera, and brings Ezra along, along with the local Imperial commander, where he lets Hera lie for a minute (she assumes Imperial ignorance of her culture and says she wanted to sell it for food for her starving family) then explains there's no way she wanted to sell the kalikori since a Twi'lek family's kalikori is worthless to anyone BUT the family itself, so she must be a family member to want it at all, and since this is the Syndulla family kalikori and Thrawn has seen the Syndulla family portraits from when Hera was a child he is able to confidently announce that she is Hera Syndulla. Ezra waits FOR FUCKING EVER before trying to do something about this but the second he tries to do anything, Thrawn gets him with a stun pistol. I loved that scene, because it felt like Thrawn was actually making deductions that made clear and logical sense based on his study of art, in a way that wasn't just an abstract "I win" button like the original EU version -- he laid it out in this clear way where if you understood what these various art pieces mean, this would have to be the conclusion you draw. That episode was written by Nicole Dubuc, who only worked on a grand total of 3 episodes of Rebels, one of which was the only other episode of the entire show where Thrawn made an actually clever deduction (Ezra let himself get captured wearing a weird outfit with a false identity, and Thrawn compared a sample of Sabine's graffiti against the lines painted on Ezra's helmet to correctly conclude that this captive was actually Ezra, and since the ISB agent Kallus who captured Ezra would have instantly recognized Ezra but went along with the false identity anyway that meant Kallus was in league with Ezra as a Rebel spy). We've lost Thrawn twice, once was the based EU Thrawn and once was the arguably more interesting Dubuc Thrawn who only appeared twice and could actually do something smart.
Whether you like them or not, Filoni gets too much credit for "his" animated series. Part of why I think _all_ of "his" characters (and Thrawn) feel so much different in Ahsoka is because he's writing Ahsoka. This is the way he views these characters, and he's also just never been a very good writer. Even though the characters were largely his concepts, it was mostly other, better writers (whether you like Rebels or not) that actually wrote and built these characters.
Can’t believe no one mentions the DARK SIDE JEDI suggesting Sabine use the travel time for reflection and she says, straight faced, “I try to avoid that”
I'm one of the people who like Rebels and the Prequels. I have my own issues with them, but I still like them. So whenever I see someone like grownup Ahsoka and how shes pushing the Jedi code and rules, I can't help be upset. Left the Order, refused to return to it, has attachments, and even made it known that she's no Jedi. All the development in TCW and Rebels. Down the f*cking drain. Don't even get me started on Hera, Sabine and Ezra.
How long will it be before Filoni decides that the planet they're stranded on is actually primordial Earth, and Sabine and Baylon will be Adam and Eve? It's extremely trite so it's right up his alley.
Whoa whoa whoa, you think they're gonna have the old white guy be the father of humanity on this planet, with a lesbian? lmao plus the actor has sadly passed... and he was the best thing about the show.
Now they'll see this comment sent to them by their production team and they'll go "oh shitе, they know?! We must invent something else, right now! We cannot allow these plebs to be right!" (different words, same scenario has already occurred) and it will somehow be even worse because they'll have to rewrite the entity of their narrative to fit into new and "post-production can't fix that many things".
Sabine could have learnt that being a Jedi was about upholding the path and the virtues of a Jedi and not about being force sensitive, about being a symbol of peace and justice for the galaxy by learning how to be a better person. It could have been really interesting to see someone who has little to no inate force ability try their best to uphold that position and responsibility through character development and determination to succeed, to become a Jedi because of their actions and not because of their talent, to know her own limits but always try to do the right thing regardless. But no, they had to go and make her actually force sensitive and remove any potential that the character story had, because of course they did. They also clearly had no idea what to do with Shin or Baylin beyond sword fights and brooding stares, such amazing character designs and back stories that could have been explored between the pair of them through their motives, beliefs and plans reduced to angry edge lady and cryptic strong man because Disney has no idea how to write compelling characters or reoccurring rivals that actually show depth and hold ideals and values that make sense from their perspective, what a missed opportunity for this series and a tremendous failing of character throughout the show.
They don't even understand the word "banished" Thrawn was not "banished" to another galaxy, he was "stranded" in another galaxy. Not surprising, words are hard!
Welcome to the Ahsoka series, we have: . Dragged out scene . Lackluster acting . Characters making terrible decisions and not facing consequences . Expectations that just end up in smoke . VADERING . Red lightsabers . Blue Elon Musk . Crab People . Dave Filoni’s creative juices
I can sum up rebels and TCW: Dave Filoni writes the best fanfictions about his super cool OC Ahsoka who never does anything wrong or suffers permanent consequences. Except the one tome that she did have consequences but she didnt do that. Dave filoni introduces star wars time travel to save his OC after writers get rid of her in a grand final battle against her former master Darth Vader
The comments about Ahsoka being too young to be in the Clone Wars made me curious, so I double checked the cannon dates. In the sequences we see she should be 16 and then 17 years old. You can argue that's still too young to be in a war for sure, but man was that actress way too young. That was not a 16 year old.
Filoni’s saber: A fight scene that could be entirely removed from a story without damaging the narrative in any way. A fight in which no one is injured or dies, no character traits are communicated to the audience, and no plot is progressed in a significant way.
30:30 "As a jedi, sometimes you have to make the decision that no one else can. That's what I did to defeat Thrawn." Considering that no one's seen or heard from Ezra since he and Thrawn went to the other galaxy, I have to assume that this recording was made before he "defeated" Thrawn. So... interesting claim, there. Pretty presumptuous. I mean, that just sounds really awkward, doesn't it? Saying it as if it's already a done deal, when it hadn't happened, yet? Who talks like this? At least say "That's why I'm going to defeat Thrawn" or something more along those lines. It would still seem a bit misplaced confidence, but it's better than what we got. Unless all these recordings were made by an AI modeled after Ezra with the knowledge of what did happen... But, I guess it worked out, right? Whatever... let's go get Thrawn back to this galaxy and undefeat him, invalidating Ezra's sacrifice. Sounds good. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. Wait, that's a terrible idea.
I never understood the single, straight, miles-long highway outside of town that doesn't go anywhere, eventually just ending abruptly, and never has any traffic.
6:20:28 everyone was distracted by the zombie stormtroopers that no one realize that the tower they had to climb had several blast doors that the genius tactician Thrawn didn't think to close even though his sole objective was to buy time at that point. instead, the heroes get to use them to get away from the zombies
Imagine being Morgan Elsbeth. You work for years to bring together enough resources to create a giant intergalactic hyperspace ring, recruit two sith from seemingly nowhere, track down an ancient night sister map that just so happens to lead to the planet that Thrawn, the legendary tactical genius of the empire, is trapped on, and even manage to evade one of the last jedi in existence. Then, despite telling him multiple times that his plan isn't working, you watch as this "genius" completely fumbles what should have been the most one sided battle in galactic history and wastes all your hard work, before commanding you to kill yourself just so he can barely get away. What a fucking insult.
With the tracking nonsense in Episode 2, why wouldn't Star Wars have something like the Cole Protocol from Halo. You know, a protocol where you would make a random jump before going to your destination to make it pretty much impossible for anyone to follow you; especially when you know you were being chased.
So the captain guy that let the not jedi's on his ship got stabbed in a far less dangerous area than sabine, looked like the middle right lung lobe area for the captain dude? so thats like 1 destroyed of 3 lobes in the rt lung so he'd have a pneumothorax with some bleeding, possibly deadly if untreated but a simple chest tube fixes that and you'd live for hours possibly days or not even die depending on severity. Sabine gets stabbed through her liver I believe? It's death within minutes. The Liver has massive blood flow to it if the hepatic portal artery or vein is severed it's only slightly not as bad so she'd live like 3 minutes with possible lower right lung and rib destruction front and back. wtf disney, make light sabers dangerous again
One also has to consider all the mass that was in the spot now occupied by the saber is flash heated into super heated gas that immediately expands into the surrounding tissue of the body. There's a damn good reason red mist burst put of Maul
@@yagamifire7861 well yes but i was going by how the source treats the wounds but yea it would cause violent explosive evaporation on top of al of that
Same thing here When the episode 7 and 8 video came out I thought "I'm gonna wait for the episode 9 coverage to come out and watch all 3 at once" Then when it took too long, I decided to watch 7 and 8, and halfway through episode 8 it dawned on me "That's it ?" That was it.
"People want this guy to be Starkiller from the videogames." "That's Ezra." "It's going to be a reveal of some kind." hahaha... just wait for that reveal. lololol
A simple dashcam would have solved Hera's evidence troubles. But obviously, the Star Wars Universe is not advanced enough for such miracles of technology.
I'm looking forward to EFAP watching The Acolyte, I bet that's going to be good! Also, as a Fleet Junkie, the *only* positive of the show is that we've finally been able to see E-Wings on screen!
I was 11 when SW first came out. I never would've guessed it would all come to THIS. With all the books, comics and games, this is where we are. And Hi Rags
Something important to note is that Dave co-wrote a handful of TCW episodes and only actually wrote the last four himself (the Siege of Mandalore), and for Rebels he only wrote three himself. Both shows were otherwise mostly staffed with writers who had prior experience writing half-hour TV cartoons. Those shows are still absolutely riddled with problems, but they never got THIS bad, and I think at this point it’s pretty clear Dave was NOT ready to spread his wings as a solo writer. And yet here we are, that’s the future Disney is plotting for us instead of trying to bottle what Tony Gilroy’s doing.
"Thrawn died at the battle of Lothal." "That was never confirmed." I don't know why it would even be speculated. His ship wasn't destroyed. It went into hyperspace with the purrgil, and Ezra along with them. Who is this imposter and what have they done with Hera? As far as she - or anyone - should be concerned, they went into hyperspace with an unknown destination and simply haven't been seen, since.
Bit late but I wanted to put in my thoughts. The main theme of the New Republic seemed to be just putting the past behind them, even to their detriment, and trying to recreate a rose-tinted version of the Republic without dealing with the underlying issues that caused the rise of the Empire in the first place.
@@Lobsterwithinternet I find that incredibly stupid but can accept it as a policy for government bureaucrats that we don't know. I can't accept it for freedom fighters that we do know and that were there for the events. She could even tow the line to make nice with her government if she wants - I don't think she would, but fine - but in private communication with Ahsoka she's not going to speak that BS. She witnessed what happened with her own actual eyeballs.
@@alexhayden219 Politics is often pretty stupid in real life. But I agree it is incredibly stupid. And it’s pretty often the case that freedom fighters who get into power often don't do too well since their skill sets don't gel well in politics where it's more about administration and balancing the needs and wants of many people who you need to satisfy to keep in power. Even in the EU this happened with Leia being a competent leader but being driven out by more slimy people. But yeah, the way they portrayed it was pretty stupid.
@@nont18411 Honest to god, I wouldn't have put it past Dave Filoni to have pitched a relationship between Anakin and Ahsoka, if he could get away with it he could. He keeps pushing this narrative that Ahsoka leaving the Jedi is what really pushed Anakin to the Dark Side
The only things I liked in the whole show was Baylan and Shin, and sadly Ray Stevenson died, hopefully he didn't know how bad the final product actually was before he went. Hopefully they don't cgi him in the next season and just let him be.
@@HerohammerStudios No idea who Alice is, so, couldn't speak to that. She was more than just a non-character like the mist filled walking suit of 16 century armor. I thought she had at least a certain appeal to her, but yeah, that's about it, it's as much as we can hope for now.
@@HerohammerStudios My guess as to why anyone would like her is that she hasn't opened her mouth for more than a paragraph across this entire show. that means she hasn't said anything that stupid (yet), which elevates her above about 95% of modern Disney female characters.
You said it, Mauler. 3:44:02. You guys make it entertaining and kind of cathartic. Thanks for being here, watching and critiquing the stuff out there so we don't have to, and then providing the experience of a group watch for those of us who cant.
MauLer: I like the- they seem to nail robotic movements. Good job, show. Rags: That's true, yeah. And the droids in the show, they really nail the robotic movements, as well. MauLer: Heh heh heh Just an eldritch horror man and his doggo, having good times, making witty commentary. :)
Ok so in theory that was an old night sister temple, and inside it, for some reason, was stored a magic ball which they locked that contains a really old map of space whale migration, and they ONLY do this one single path to this one specific planet. They just go back and forth all the time for some reason. Ok are you following so far? Great. So this magic ball contains this map, also known as a picture of the two galaxies and a straight line connecting them, cause all the minds of the Star Wars galaxy couldn't decipher that fucking strategy. Now, this magic ball is unlocked by just rotating the sections a couple times, and there is NO security system incorporated, it doesn't like shock the fuck outta someone that guesses the wrong pattern or explode or anything. You can just keep trying it forever and it'll activate when it's correct. The password to this magic ball, is just written on the ground in the place that it's kept. There's also a password to get it OUT of that temple in the first place, but that password is literally just turning the pillars which are the only notable features of the room and when they're in the right position, they lock in place and shit starts glowing. So it's impossible to NOT get the password right. Ok? Still following? Right, so the night sisters are from Dathomir, that's where Darth Maul is from but they just look like humans for some reason, they don't even have head spikes. They supposedly use the force, but when THEY use it, it's MAGIC. They can fucking teleport, short distances at the very least, they can move objects too, they can cast repairo from harry potter for some reason, they can RESURRECT THE DEAD, don't ask, they can just create things out of thin air, they can do all sorts of weird shit that has nothing to do with Jedi or Sith, it's literally magic spells. So........ These magic balls, can also be operated via their magic bullshit. And the night sisters decided, NOT to make it so these magic balls work ONLY for their force magic, but they'll work for their force magic AND ALSO if someone just guesses the combination, of which there's not really that many. Also even if there were more, there's no security, so a droid can just be programmed to try everything until something changes. Even if we assume droids didn't exist when this map was made (How?) again there's no cost for getting the combination wrong, so whoever really wants to solve it can just keep trying different combinations, it'd only take some paper and a pen to track them. Even assuming it takes YEARS to guess the combination AND whoever found the magic ball decided NOT to take pictures of the temple it was stored in, because remember the combination is just written very obviously in the temple, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to use the map for anyone but a night sister if you just make it so you NEED night sister magic to operate it at all. It's like locking your car door at night, but the car is designed without windows. Then the car is turned on using the special key, or you can just enter the 4 digit password and no matter how many times you enter it wrong, it won't do anything. Also the password is written on the back seat. This show is so fucking bad!
Oh and just to be petty. Shin, the blonde sith girl's name? It's clear by now Filoni is a massive weeb, so this is definitely meant to be the Japanese name. Which is a guy's name. I've NEVER seen any woman in any context named Shin.
The space whales are the most crazy thing, how did they naturally develop hyper speed travel but hyper speed travel that is orders of magnitude faster than normal hyper speed. They had to use 7 or 9 super star destroyed hyper drive cores to achieve the same speed as the star whales, like wtf?
@@MasterIceyy Mass Effect did huge powerful creatures that can travel through space on their own right. They're aquatic creatures that developed technology to augment themselves so they could fuck off into space on a whim. Leviathans they're called, they're pretty cool. You CAN do enormous space creatures correctly, but that would be unfathomably hard as Star Wars is constructed, and it's DEFINITELY not just going "Yeah they just exist, what even is hyperspace really, just don't think about it."
Months later, but I just came back and watched this, and I have more to add. So based on everything leading up to this, the Empire is convinced Thrawn is still alive and is going to return. Also, Ahsoka is convinced since she's looking for him in Mando Season 2. The only reasonable source we can deduce now is that Morgan Elsbeth was in communion through Force magics or something with the Dathomiri witches in Galaxy 2, and she decided to tell Empire people that she knew where Thrawn was. Except she didn't know exactly where Thrawn was because she needed a map. But also, she knew exactly where the map was since she told Ahsoka how to find it. How is it remotely possible that Elsbeth or the Empire had not collected the map prior to Ahsoka showing up? The only reason Ahsoka is looking for Elsbeth is that she knows that Elsbeth knows the way to Thrawn, and the only way she could have learned that is from Elsbeth having shared that information with someone else and Ahsoka must have picked up on the Empire suits chatting about it. But if they were chatting about it, they had to have gotten that information from Elsbeth, who could have told them where the map is, and there's no reason she wouldn't have told them about the map if she's telling them about her plan to go fetch Thrawn. But also, why would Morgan Elsbeth even been talking psychically with the Night Sisters, or whatever? They just decided to start sending out space skypes that said, "Hey, there's this guy here, Thrawn, he seems like he's plot relevant. Anyone want to come fetch him?" Like they're setting up an RPG quest board or something. Why would they think to tell Elsbeth about Thrawn, specifically? It's all convoluted nonsense because nobody has any idea with an actual throughline.
Having scenes with people looking around not saying anything ONLY works if we are learning things from the environment. Medium shots of the characters faces gives us nothing. Thanks Dave, for the final nail in the coffin..
At this point, I'm surprised that Disney doesn't just get a bunch of toys and film a bunch of kids playing with them. It's what the vast majority of Star Wars fans want anyway.
1:09:01 He is mostly correct. When Japan and Germany were defeated, a lot of the factors that were still intact we're still manned by the same people who ran them during the war. In the end most rank and file just want to live. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
4:12:20 Yes, I absolutely believe that Filoni would introduce ancient Earth into Star Wars if he would be allowed to. And, yes, I am aware that that already happened in some single issue of a comic somewhere at some point. I do largely prefer Legends over Disney Wars, but not all Legends are created equal.
One thing I noticed is how only droids really get killed, other than the odd storm troopers every now and then, Star Wars now is so non-lethal, blasters are pointless now, due to everyone being covered in beskar, or just missing constantly. Lightsabre's are now non lethal unless it's the bad guys getting hit by them. Their target audience is children now
The crew pointing out how Thrawn clearly hasn't done anything besides sit around on his Star Destroyer for however many years it's been made me think of something else. Failoni wanted to implement the 'different galaxy' thing because he wanted to fool the audience into thinking they'd be seeing something truly alien to what we're used to, when what we got was just another backwater Outer Rim planet. Why would you go to the trouble of introducing an entire separate galaxy if you're not going to take the time to actually flesh it out? Imagine if we learned that Thrawn had to ground and conceal his Star Destroyer to keep from being noticed by this galaxy's massive interstellar civilization. Or if he traveled between worlds, garnering support for the cause of the Empire and recruiting new alien civilizations to travel back to the main galaxy and fight the war together. Or if he decided to take root here, creating his own faction to take over a portion of this galaxy. We could have learned that Thrawn, his army, and his Star Destroyer were detained by whatever civilization rules this galaxy, and we could see him bargain with Ahsoka and crew to help him escape in exchange for information on Ezra's whereabouts. We could have seen the other galaxy preparing to wage war on the main one following the discovery of the Star Destroyer, and the good guys and bad guys teaming up to stop them, providing us with the juiciest of opportunities for the development of characters, relationships, and interpersonal conflict. Basically, Failoni could have used this new setting as an opportunity to explore scenarios that would be impossible in the main galaxy, but he opted instead to go with the laziest version of it. Nice.
One of the main reasons why Disney STAR WARS lightsabers fights are so shit is because they're now using these big, clunky lightsaber props that also emit natural light so they blend into the environment better, whereas with the prequels, they were using lightweight tubes and adding the effects in after. The speed at which you can swing those lightweight tubes is incredible, whereas the big clunky ones are harder to wield and also don't wanna be broken. It is also because modern stage combat is getting slowly worse and worse due to health and safety concerns (which can be valid) and a generally low bar of entry for most actors (i.e. if you can swing a sword around and not endanger the other person then that's good enough) I will give special props to the fight with Baylan and Ray Stevenson, as it looks like they did at least do their homework on two handed sword fighting techniques, there's quite a few stances and moves in there that are straight out of manuscripts from Talhoffer and Fiore De Libre, and Ray himself seems like a really decent fighter (such a shame and such a waste), but overall the choreography is still garbage. Somehow makes it worse in a way, they could have produced really good fights with legitimate techniques and they just squandered it.
Sabine in her prison cell: I was hoping for a room with a view. Baylan: Bitch, you live on Lothal. That place ain't got no windows. Sabine: You promised me I would see Ezra again. Baylan: You...you know we don't have him on this ship, right? You know we're still traveling between galaxies? What the hell do you expect me to say here? How the hell am I supposed to respond to that _insanely pointless_ statement?
My minds recalls a scene from a great Internet Historian video (They're all great), 'The Engoodening of No Man's Sky'. "Its not that rickety 12 foot ladder Disney's standing on, its the 900 foot building he's perched it on in the first place." and the Kenobi tv show was what made it collapse.
2:51:10 Fulcrum is in reference to Asokha's codename in rebels when Kanan and the gang were in contact with her without knowing it was her, because this series is one big reference to rebels and pretty much nothing else
All the remarks in the show about "your aptitude for the Force is the worst I've ever seen", "The Jedi Order would not have accepted her. She is not an acceptable candidate", and so on and so forth throughout is that Captain Marvel thing where all the guys and the patriarchy are crapping on her and how she'll never succeed measure up to the guys. Only for her to eventually become the strongest, most powerful and incredible Jedi ever. Plus a Mando and Technology-Demolitions master. It's all just very heavy-handed "The girl is going to prove all you sexists and your sexist groups wrong!" She and Ahsoka will bring balance to the Force. Aboard their ship, "The Fulcrum". All in Season 2. Which, I hope to any merciful god out there, it never happens.
I think Dave Filoni must have been part of some kind of roleplay group at LucasFilm while making the Clone Wars and then he decided it would be a great idea to turn his roleplay stories into TV shows, it explains why he can't let his own characters die
I'm so confused by the "magic" thing. As far as I remember, the Dathomiri Witches were just force users who had long since fallen off the Jedi/Sith training styles and thought what they were doing was magic, while the Nightsisters were simply dark-side witches. Some of them even became Jedi! Now it acts like it's a whole different thing, where they can summon weapons out of the ether... Confusion. Sorrow.
Is it possible that they keep adding Force powers so that they can cut down on characters and thus spend less money? If Ahsoka needs to do some detective work, instead of introducing some one with that skill, she can suddenly just do Force Sense Clues thus ending the need of the detective. Need a medic? No, Force Healing! Need a pilot? No, all Jedi can use the Force to fly any type of ship.
You know, the sad thing about the world between worlds, is that it could have worked if they did the character work right(well, "worked"). They could've gone the way of ahsoka being afraid she failed her disciple, sabine, and throught that failure she ended up turning to the dark side, like idk, sacrificing a whole galaxy just to see erza again, and that represented by anakin turning into vader through obi wan's failure. And in the end, her realizing that even after everything vader did, anakin redeemed himself and saved everyone in the end, and that pushing her to not give up on sabine. But of course, that required them to do actual character work on the previous 4 episodes, which they didn't
This is all reactions popped into a compilation, we got Saw X on Monday and so closes the Spooktober of 2023 with an Amnesia: The Bunker stream from yours truly o/
which one is more sludge disney star wars or disney marvel
Say hi to Emile for me.
\ ^.-.^ / WOO!
Really hope Adam is there despite recent drama
MAY THE DON BE WITH YOU!
Stopping Thrawn is vital to the survival of the galaxy because he is a master of the grand strategy of knowing which way is up.
There is no counter to that genius! Well, actually, if the empire knew which way was up in that movie they would have won....hmm. Okay, Thrawn would actually be the doom of the galaxy.
Does he? If he did, he would just fly several feet up from the tower...
I'd like it if they froze Thrawn in carbonite and woke him up after the rise of skywalker.
*Thrawn*
"So the First Order was defeated, I suppose the New Republic overwhelmed them with....
The New Republic was obliterated you say? In 1 day?
Well I suppose the Jedi Order managed to infiltrate and destroy the leaders of the....
Completely annialated? By 1 student? With Luke Skywalker becoming a depressed Hermit drinking blue titty milk from an obese tentacle cow?
Apologies I believe I'm still suffering from psychosis from the unfreezing process.
So how was the First Order defeated?
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They couldn't determine which way way up...and attached lasers so powerful to their ships that their destruction caused a chain reaction destroying the entire fleet....
Well I believe I've been awake long enough I think I'd like to sleep for another 500 years until someone competent asks for my help. Good day sir"
After watching the show I am not completely sure about that direction recognition prowess of his.
Disney Canon Thrawn is a stupid person's attempt at writing a smart character. He has all the superficial trappings of a calculating, Tywin Lannister-esque figure without any of the actual intelligence or cunning.
"She's supposed to be healing!"
"She's SUPPOSED to be DEAD!!"
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1:00:28
Ahsoka literally can't die. Dave Filoni will rip her right out of time and space on multiple occasions to prevent it.
The Goddess Of Force Light will sacrifice herself to save Dave’s OC
@@merkbromerkington3215 These are things that should just be memes, but actually happened. SMDH
Lt. Columbia rulz
@@Sue20022010 All hail Columbia!
This is the last thing Ray Stevenson ever got to be in.
Thanks, Disney.
The absolute legend still got to be the only compelling part of the show.
The only one that even tried to bring justice to this franchise 😫😫
obligatory THIRTEEEEN
@@budakbaongsiah Rome was so damn good, It just happened at the wrong time
@@MasterIceyy
Paved the path for Game of Thrones, for good or bad.
I love how HUGEWANG is the most human and believable character in this show and he's a fucking robot.
TLP reference RAHHHH
That and Ray Stevenson's character (can't be bothered to remember his name)
@@ghostprojekt We shall call him Titus Pullo, in remembrance of the good days.
Idk, it's pretty believable they'd put completely unqualified women at the head of everything, and give them responsibility over the entire galaxy for which they promptly ruin.
Seems like a running theme with modern star wars
In ESB, Luke was in the bacta tank for approximately 12 hours and rested for another 16 before he was conscious enough to have a conversation. He had some blunt trauma and hypothermia. His injuries were somewhat severe and would take weeks or months to heal from without a bacta tank. But, he didn't have a lightsaber shaped hole through half of his vital organs and wasn't up and running about the next morning.
But, hey, at least Sabine had a hospital to go to and recover in. NO IDEA how Reva survived in Kenobi... twice.
When she teleported to Tatooine, her character model reloaded without the damage
@@yagamifire7861 checks out
Revenge makes you grow two stomachs. It shouldn't even have to be said.
Additional example: When Galen Marek/Starkiller gets stabbed through the belly and thrown into space, he spends 6 months in a coma being surgically reconstructed.
I guess medical tech improved over time
about the terrible lightsaber combat , isn't it funny that the child actor playing ashoka was doing better light saber choreography than the adult woman version.
What I don't understand is why they don't just speed it up a bit to make it seem less geriatric.
@@jonnywaldis8275 shit choreography is also shit if you play it faster. its why hayden is so much better than the rest of the cast in fighting scenes, he clearly knows what he is doing
Oh no doubt, I just figured they could have them enact the fight slowly but in matched speed and then hit fast forward. choreography would still be shit but then at least it wouldn't feel like ahsoka's opponents constantly need to hit the breaks.
Idk maybe that's just not feasible.@@nathanperquin9910
@@nathanperquin9910 It's pretty embarrassing when the Corridor Crew can make a better lightsaber fight than one of the biggest entertainment companies on the planet, who own the studio that literally invented lightsaber combat.
@@shok24199 Blind Wave also have some great lightsabre choreography when they're literally just super fans of Star Wars
I don't know if it was a good or bad thing that Luke wasn't mentioned once during this whole cluster. On the one hand, it's insulting that they stole his story and tried to sweep his importance under the carpet, but, on the other, it's good that his character wasn't further assassinated which would've been inevitable. I mean, look what they did to Leia and she didn't even have to appear on screen...
But anakin
He vadered
It’s a good thing that they totally left Luke AND HAN out of this.
At least the audience still mentioned Luke though. Meanwhile, Han Solo was erased from everyone’s memories.
@@nont18411 Han got away relatively fine. Only being dragged by one bad spin off and a couple of cameo
@@dean_l33 he was the first legacy character Disney ruined by making him a deadbeat dad who went back to smuggling for memberberries. How did he get away fine?
@@mr.barcode3186 I mean yeah it's really bad and made his whole arc in the OT redundent but people don't mourn him as much as they mourn Luke
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Hera: You know who can help you with this.
Ahsoka: I do. Luke Skywalker. I was very recently with him. He's my former master's son and powerful in the Force, as well as a very naturally skilled person in other areas. He only had one student and he kicked the kid out, so he's literally sitting around not doing anything. If we're going up against other Force users, he'd be useful to have along.
Hera:... I meant Sabine. You know, that person that you had an apprentice for a while for some reason, despite her having no Force potential, who apparently hates everyone, now, and will definitely betray you and the entire galaxy on a whim and won't care if you live or die? That bitch. Not Luke Skywalker, hero of the Rebellion, slayer of Death Stars and Emperors. Why would you want him?
Anyone would have been more helpful. Jar Jar would have been more useful. The only issue is Sabine has more plot armor than Jar Jar.
@@Invalidcookie-bv4cxMeesa going to different galaxy
Not to mention Din Djarin sitting around on his homestead with Grogu doing not much at all.
What bothered me the most about the scene where Sabine is stabbed is that she has her light saber above her head; if she had just lowered her arms she would cleave her opponent in two.
I know, I don't understand why nobody else has pointed this out!
It's fucking insane how broken that scene is. Nothing works
She didn't slice the sith for the same reason the sith didn't cleave her in two. In fact, given the lack of resistance, it would actually take more effort to _not_ cut the shit out of her.
Tbf even if Sabine sliced her in half, she'd probably still be alive based on how non lethal lightsabres are now
@@MasterIceyy it's fine. She'll just get a mechanical... body and head
I could sort of understand it if we assumed this to be a painful, deadly wound... but clearly, twas but a flesh wound, so no excuses there lol
Man, Rosario is so afraid of holding those lightsaber sticks. Hayden immediately goes into full fluid beast mode. That thing is entirely an extension of his body. What a champ. The fight sucks because Rosario is the other half of it, but It's nice watching _someone_ that knows what they're doing with that thing.
women am i right
@@elmagistradofk6286 No. So many women are capable. Just a few examples: Everyone in Kill Bill, Chloe Bruce (Daisy Ridley's stunt double), and hell - even Daisy Ridley isn't very good but she's better than Rosario (and Natasha) at holding a stick.
@@alexhayden219 I'm pretty sure he was joking
@@raufm.2135 I'm pretty sure, too. I just don't want it to go unsaid that there are very capable women in life and media and there's not really an excuse for the level of incompetence on display.
women @@alexhayden219
I had a dream where Filoni was kidnapped and forced to watch this critique on a loop as punishment for insulting us all with this crap.
One thing I've noticed in the Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy: Whenever a Lightsaber is drawn in anger, something significant happens. Someone either loses a limb or loses their life.
A Lightsaber drawn in anger CHANGES things.
in Disneywars however, it's just flashing lights and colours, followed by someone running away. It's pathetic how they've reduced such a meaningful thing to a mere lightshow.
Lucas directly states this exact idea in Episode 6 and Episode 2 commentaries.
Fun fact: bacta tanks were invented half an hour after Qui-gon was killed
Kamino was in touch with Qui-gon before he died.
No one is really gone.
I GET THAT REFERENCE! 😂
Dang, they should have froze him in Carbonite, until the technology was invented. 🤣🤣🤣
The freaking "wa'd you bring mes"
I love that reference to efap history
Ezra knows how to make a lightsaber better than the droid who's been in charge of making lightsabers for a thousand years. But Ezra tells him "That's not going to work. The blade emitter is too narrow." How many lightsabers have you made in your life? You may have some interesting and innovative ideas (not in this series), but you're the expert here on what's even going to work? And, I thought you didn't need a lightsaber. Motherfucker, sit down and take some notes from your vastly more experienced elders. They might know some things. Creativity and engineering didn't start with you.
The way this show pads the runtime is a crime against cinematography
Yeah, just imagine cutting out all the empty air between dialog and all the long shots where nothing is happening or communicated to the viewer. The show would be three episodes long
Cut out the actions that don't have consequences and it's 1.
"You ignored direct orders!"
"No, I ignored you."
"Idiot, I directed the orders that you ignored. You aren't in charge. This isn't a stratocracy. You can't just cooly say you didn't ignore orders but you ignored me or anyone else or this council. You went against orders and got people killed and don't have anything to show for it, as you don't seem to know that you have evidence of what you came here to find. You are a terrible leader and an untrustworthy subordinate."
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"Oh, Leia approved it against everyone else's wishes and also didn't tell anyone she approved it until after the fact? Okay, all good. There's nothing wrong with that at all. That's definitely not a sign of poor communication or terrible management that's sure to lead to an early end of this New Republic. She's not the Supreme Leader or Chancellor or President or anything. She's a senator of a dead world. but she definitely overrides anything this high council says. Go on. Do whatever you want."
"Senator of a dead world."
What savagery, I like it.
"Two squadrons of three craft."
"JUST SAY SIX."
lol
I love how there is more EFAP content tearing Disney Star Wars apart than there is Disney Star Wars!
Cheers to the Hate Mongers of the Toxic Brood!
I said this before, but it is so upsetting how clearly desperately Asohka is styled after Miyamoto Musashi's famous two sword style (with the notably smaller off-hand blade) but they just outright refuse to make use of any of the documented ways of how that fighting style works
Filoni is incapable of doing anything beyond a transparently vapid swipe. It would require effort , craft and care. He has none of those things
@@yagamifire7861 I think it's very obvious that Filoni was carried by George, and he can only ever imitate Georges idea's in the most superficial of ways
In Season 2, she is going to pull out a 3rd lightsaber and become like Zoro from One Piece because that's a show people actually watch.
True
Hence the dumbass reference to “Ronin” in the show despite that not even being a word in the SW universe. Because Dave probably thought it sounded “cool”.
i hate how this series is such a wasted opportunity for a good Rebels' sequel, all ruined by Dave Filoni's ego, incompetence and his fetish of putting his waifu Ahsoka everywhere for nough reason, this series should have been called differently, and being about all the Rebels characters, which Ahsoka is NOT part of, she was just a Clone wars' guest star, she appears way less than you think in Rebels, and she was just there to finish her storyline from Clone wars in the second season, the season with Vader, which Dave filoni even ruined by bringing her back with stupid time travel, her killed by Vader was a nice ending to her story.
I personally think that this series, its just rotten in its concept and should have been reworked drastically, and with Dave filoni as just the showrunner and some times co-writer like in Rebels and Clone wars, i think it would have made way more sense if the series were splitted into two main storylines which alternate.
The first one with Ezra as the main character, because he's the main character of Rebels, a important role for him makes sense, maybe you open the series with a flashback, a live action recreation of his sacrifice to defeat Thrawn, for establishing better the villain, showing what happens right after they got teleported, maybe they had to become allies to survive in this hostile planet, the classic story of soldiers from 2 different sides stranded somewhere, and then in the present they are enemies, with Ezra as a leader of a rebellion to fight Thrawn, a compelling story about their rivalry and with some good lore about this planet and galaxy.
And then the other main storyline with Sabine as the main character with other Rebels characters like Hera, Kallus (where tf is Kallus here??), Chopper, Zeb. And Ahsoka, as the wise Jedi figure like Ben kenobi in the first Star Wars, and you scrap all of that Jedi training crap of Sabine which is just stupid and unnecessary, so all of those characters, all determined to save Ezra and try to stop Thrawn return, with Ray Stevenson as a compelling villain this time, maybe with Sabine that is the most desperate to save Ezra, with the others that have no hope, maybe because she loves him, it would make a lot of sense according to Rebels last seasons and especially last scenes, not putting it like they did is a retcon, star wars doesn't have a good romance since Empire Strikes back, maybe it was a good opportunity to put one which even already has a setup, it doesn't come out of nowhere.
Damn i despise this series so much, everything is wrong with it, if you watch Rebels its even worse.
Dave created “world between worlds” specifically to give Ahsoka a plot armor.
Because there’s no way Yoda, Obi-wan, Luke and Palpatine have no access to it when all of them are more powerful than Ahsoka.
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Bold of you to assume Ahsoka isn't the most powerful force user in Dave Filoni's Star Wars.
@@nont18411 i know, and its the worst thing of that show for sure
It’s just as well. Ahsoka is implied to be dead by the time of Rise of Skywalker anyway, considering she was one of the voices Rey heard when she was tapping into the spirits of dead Jedi.
@@RebellionInHell i removed that movie from my memory dude, Filoni must be mad about that one lol, his waifu is not a immortal godess after all
My brother had a brilliant theory for why Ezra refused the lightsaber but took the blaster. It’s been so long since Ezra last practiced with a lightsaber he didn’t wanna accidentally cut his own leg off while flailing about with it so he was like “No, *you* take it. Seriously. I totally don’t need it.” Then when he saw a blaster he was like “YES. A weapon that won’t cut my leg off!”
"A weapon that can vaporize my head instead!"
@@silverscorpio24 And then he grabs a lightsaber in the next episode anyway.
Yoda is lime flavoured, Maz is lemon flavoured. They come from planet citrus. You can tell from their head shapes.
Watching this with no context from the actual show is very confusing. Why is Thrawn important? He wasn’t even respected by the other higher ups in the empire, and he was most definitely dishonored when he failed at the end or Rebels. Also why did Star Wars go from cutting off peoples hands to stabbing them in the gut?
When they realized it was less work to have actors clutch their stomachs, instead of digitally erasing their hands.
@@Gunleaver I guess current Disney writers/showrunners haven't figured out they didn't really chop off Mark Hamill's hand back during the filming of the OT to achieve that non CGI effect.
He's not important. The Disney trash is banking on his fan boys to have a raging hype boner over him just from name alone. They actually thought every enjoyer of the True Canon would just cream themselves when Ashoka said his name in that Mandalorian episode, then thought that was going to be enough, and that they no longer had to put anymore brain power into it.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. Tbf a lot of Thrawns backstory and importance comes from him being one of the only "aliens" in the Empire, and the only one to rise so high in the ranks.
The problem is Star Wars films and TV shows have never once spoken about how the Empire was supposed to be very human centric and xenophobic
@@MasterIceyy tbf none of that would be a problem if the shows ad movies, had competent writers.
What a show, what a show.
Imagine what would it be if after all this search Morgan, Baylan and Alice find a hobo Thrawn with a big geard drinking krab people milk saying "I came to this galaxy to die", that would be a better outcome and still be in theme with Disney Star Wars.
And what about the Baylan and Alice lightsabers? I mean, does becoming a Jedi renegade or a Jedi survivor who does his own path automatically makes you have to wield a red one? I though those came from Sith training.
Ahsoka's ship works with videogame logic, it has been damaged like 3 times in this season, and it always start working like new again. Now they are stranded in another galaxy with no fuel station nearby. Eventually damage will get to a point where they'll need new parts and that's all, no way to get back home.
It's not a red lightsabre otherwise the fans would see Baylan and go 'red? That's red!' I guess it's orange-red because no one with any kind of vague good intentions can appear with a red lightsabre in live action.
Bru. She's got that pilot auto heal buff from battlefront 2. Clearly.
My whole issue with Red lightsabers is that they keep telling us that all these new darkside force users aren't Sith (even though Kylo and Snoke were trained by palpatine) but somehow they always end up with red light sabers? Doesn't getting a red one require soaking the crystal thing that powers it in blood, or some crap? When do they have time to do that?
My understanding was that red lightsabers use a synthetic crystal since they can't get to the Jedi crystal caves, and the synthetic ones are a force no-no and I guess it hurts the force somehow? In any case I guess that methodology would be the go to for non-Jedi force users who want to use the dark side and have a light saber
Unironically would make more sense for Thrawn than Luke. I'd watch that
My favorite moment was Huehue Yang bringing the derelict starship up in line of sight of _Chimera_ while it was bombarding the citadel instead of behind it.
Ok so at this point I need to question why the writers don’t just stick to the whole cutting off arms or legs thing. It might be over used but at least it’s a believably survivable injury.
That might take even slightest bit of effort
It may be considered too graphic
Because they can't have anything remain permanent so the next producer has a clean slate to work with.
Gotta return to that status quo.
With each day that passes, Disney shows keep spitting on the grave of poor Qui Gon. He cant even rest in peace without being disrespected
Even the fan praise for this show boils down to about five minutes and a dozen lines in a liminal dimension that imply something meaningful. It speaks to the potential of what new good Star Wars shows could’ve meant to people considering they’re so desperate that their defence of an entire SEASON can rest on the shoulders of one half-baked conversation.
2:14:15 the worst part about not being able to scan inside the ring is that a star destroyer is supposed to dock there for intergalactic hyperspace travel. You'd probably want to be able to determine where everything is in quite some detail to make sure everything lines up correctly.
Just read the timothy zahn trilogy. Seriously its better written than anything disney has done so far. It has a competent, threatening thrawn. Luke, han and leia are all prominent too of course. No first order, no resistance, no ahsoka, no sabine.
Just a good continuation of Star Wars after episode 6, its the real sequel trilogy.
Ah, the days when Thrawn was a genuine threat, when he had the intelligence to use cloaked ships to pretend he had a superweapon which could fire straight through a planetary shield.
Oh, dont worry, Im sure Ashoka will go to Mortus and balance the force.
Morbus will be in star war ? Very epic
@Tridona "It's Morbin time" -Ahsoka
Hopefully the Son shows back up and stabs her and make this story interesting again.
Also Son> All Ashoka characters , He only got 3- 20 minute episodes as well compared to the 8 - 40 minute episodes
It's kinda weird how Sabine gets reprimanded more for stealing and losing the orb to the bad guys after getting stabbed than she does for voluntarily handing it over knowing what the bad guys plans are.
3:54:00 And the funniest thiing is that, unlike the Disney shows themselves, those reaction videos are going to be rewatched over and over again.
They will be podcasted and listened to on other devices too. I cannot even tell how many times I did that on my phone already.
The red-haierd lady doesn't pick up her helmet. Alice doesn't collect her lightsaber. The green general lady immediately forgets about the fallen pilots. I am starting to think these characters lack object permanence.
Jesus Christ Dave Filoni writes like a child.
"Omg and then my OC shows up and saves the day with her white lightsabers!"
Watching this I love how at the first episode you spend alot talking about the Sith with the helmet, Starkillar, Ezra, a big reveal - and it turns out he is a green fart!
I honestly fell asleep between episode 3-4 and woke up part way into 4 and literally did not miss anything plot wise, wtf
Ashoka and Sabine's relationship being instantly patch reminds me of part of a joke Mauler made during his tlj analysis when mocking someone for saying "fiction has no rules."
'what if Luke Skywalker said, 'rey, the Jedi shouldn't end because they're actually cool lol. Sorry I'm just sleepy I guess.'"
I guess Filloni heard that and thought "so THAT'S how characters work"
I swear Jedi and Jedi adjacent characters now are just "insert person with lightsaber". Remember when Jedi had a whole philosophy and set of rules for how they operate within the galaxy? That they literally are one with the world around them?
Mental that people clap like seals for the key jangling, then immediatley forget the slop they've been served.
Seriously. Attitude and mentality have totally been divorced from the Force users. Impatient, angry, quick to frustration Sabine SOMEHOW won't use the dark side because shut up reasons
Remember how Qui-Gon's and Dooku's whole stories were about 2 Jedi who had become completely disillusioned with the order, it's practices, philosophy, and actions, and both of them handled it completely differently. Baylin seems to be much of the same as Qui-Gon and Dooku which is probably why his character is the most interesting in the show.
Instead of having nuance, now it's just light sticks make you a Jedi
I always tell people "just cuz you like eating sugar coated shit doesent mean i do"......
This is where the fun comes to die.
Something to point out:
Old EU Thrawn's whole schtick was that he was an obsessive art collector and studied the art of various cultures and species in order to understand their psychology. Yes this is kind of racist, but it worked, he was introduced in a scene where he accurately assessed in moments the species of a New Republic ship's captain and knew exactly what sort of maneuver they would be psychologically unable to respond to properly and so they were wiped out by what would otherwise be a played-out trick everyone else knew how to beat. There's a lot more about EU Thrawn that's both cool and kind of stupid but this is what I want to focus on.
Rebels Thrawn had ONE really cool scene: Hera comes back to her homeworld and tries to smuggle a priceless family heirloom -- an art object called a kalikori -- out of her family's estate to give it to her father. Ezra is disguised as a scout trooper to look like she's a servant with legitimate escort. Thrawn spots this and immediately arrests Hera, and brings Ezra along, along with the local Imperial commander, where he lets Hera lie for a minute (she assumes Imperial ignorance of her culture and says she wanted to sell it for food for her starving family) then explains there's no way she wanted to sell the kalikori since a Twi'lek family's kalikori is worthless to anyone BUT the family itself, so she must be a family member to want it at all, and since this is the Syndulla family kalikori and Thrawn has seen the Syndulla family portraits from when Hera was a child he is able to confidently announce that she is Hera Syndulla. Ezra waits FOR FUCKING EVER before trying to do something about this but the second he tries to do anything, Thrawn gets him with a stun pistol.
I loved that scene, because it felt like Thrawn was actually making deductions that made clear and logical sense based on his study of art, in a way that wasn't just an abstract "I win" button like the original EU version -- he laid it out in this clear way where if you understood what these various art pieces mean, this would have to be the conclusion you draw. That episode was written by Nicole Dubuc, who only worked on a grand total of 3 episodes of Rebels, one of which was the only other episode of the entire show where Thrawn made an actually clever deduction (Ezra let himself get captured wearing a weird outfit with a false identity, and Thrawn compared a sample of Sabine's graffiti against the lines painted on Ezra's helmet to correctly conclude that this captive was actually Ezra, and since the ISB agent Kallus who captured Ezra would have instantly recognized Ezra but went along with the false identity anyway that meant Kallus was in league with Ezra as a Rebel spy).
We've lost Thrawn twice, once was the based EU Thrawn and once was the arguably more interesting Dubuc Thrawn who only appeared twice and could actually do something smart.
Whether you like them or not, Filoni gets too much credit for "his" animated series. Part of why I think _all_ of "his" characters (and Thrawn) feel so much different in Ahsoka is because he's writing Ahsoka. This is the way he views these characters, and he's also just never been a very good writer. Even though the characters were largely his concepts, it was mostly other, better writers (whether you like Rebels or not) that actually wrote and built these characters.
@@alexhayden219Another thing he has in common with George.
Can’t believe no one mentions the DARK SIDE JEDI suggesting Sabine use the travel time for reflection and she says, straight faced, “I try to avoid that”
I'm one of the people who like Rebels and the Prequels. I have my own issues with them, but I still like them.
So whenever I see someone like grownup Ahsoka and how shes pushing the Jedi code and rules, I can't help be upset.
Left the Order, refused to return to it, has attachments, and even made it known that she's no Jedi.
All the development in TCW and Rebels. Down the f*cking drain.
Don't even get me started on Hera, Sabine and Ezra.
How long will it be before Filoni decides that the planet they're stranded on is actually primordial Earth, and Sabine and Baylon will be Adam and Eve? It's extremely trite so it's right up his alley.
I wouldn't call it trite so much as detritus.
Baylan deserves way better😂
That's what happens in S3 when they let Zack Snyder take a crack at it
Whoa whoa whoa, you think they're gonna have the old white guy be the father of humanity on this planet, with a lesbian? lmao plus the actor has sadly passed... and he was the best thing about the show.
Now they'll see this comment sent to them by their production team and they'll go "oh shitе, they know?! We must invent something else, right now! We cannot allow these plebs to be right!" (different words, same scenario has already occurred) and it will somehow be even worse because they'll have to rewrite the entity of their narrative to fit into new and "post-production can't fix that many things".
I've been reading Dune recently. The fucking shock between the beautiful, layered, and elegant writing of Dune and this shit is surreal.
A villain like the Baron would conquer the Disney SW galaxy in a weekend
Just wait until you get to the sequel books. It gets super weird and interesting, especially once you hit Book 4.
Sabine could have learnt that being a Jedi was about upholding the path and the virtues of a Jedi and not about being force sensitive, about being a symbol of peace and justice for the galaxy by learning how to be a better person. It could have been really interesting to see someone who has little to no inate force ability try their best to uphold that position and responsibility through character development and determination to succeed, to become a Jedi because of their actions and not because of their talent, to know her own limits but always try to do the right thing regardless. But no, they had to go and make her actually force sensitive and remove any potential that the character story had, because of course they did. They also clearly had no idea what to do with Shin or Baylin beyond sword fights and brooding stares, such amazing character designs and back stories that could have been explored between the pair of them through their motives, beliefs and plans reduced to angry edge lady and cryptic strong man because Disney has no idea how to write compelling characters or reoccurring rivals that actually show depth and hold ideals and values that make sense from their perspective, what a missed opportunity for this series and a tremendous failing of character throughout the show.
They don't even understand the word "banished"
Thrawn was not "banished" to another galaxy, he was "stranded" in another galaxy.
Not surprising, words are hard!
It's like 2 syllables. That's too much for Dave.
Cut the poor guy some slack. He's trying his best despite his clear intellectual disabilities
Welcome to the Ahsoka series, we have:
. Dragged out scene
. Lackluster acting
. Characters making terrible decisions and not facing consequences
. Expectations that just end up in smoke
. VADERING
. Red lightsabers
. Blue Elon Musk
. Crab People
. Dave Filoni’s creative juices
You forgot “Excessive plot armor for Filoni’s waifu Ahsoka”
Also Dark Soul Sith who turned to green mist
@@nont18411 He was a part of the “Expectations that just end upon smoke”
@@KelShu Oh, neat subtext. Congratulations, you just put more thoughts to the subtext than Dave Filoni did for this show.
Hey, we get RED!
I can sum up rebels and TCW: Dave Filoni writes the best fanfictions about his super cool OC Ahsoka who never does anything wrong or suffers permanent consequences. Except the one tome that she did have consequences but she didnt do that. Dave filoni introduces star wars time travel to save his OC after writers get rid of her in a grand final battle against her former master Darth Vader
In episode 7, Ashoka's triple lindee from the ship would've blown out both knees on impact.
The comments about Ahsoka being too young to be in the Clone Wars made me curious, so I double checked the cannon dates. In the sequences we see she should be 16 and then 17 years old. You can argue that's still too young to be in a war for sure, but man was that actress way too young. That was not a 16 year old.
Yeah the actress is now 16 years old, but I think this was filmed in 2021, where I think she was 13-14 , she definitely looks too young
Filoni’s saber: A fight scene that could be entirely removed from a story without damaging the narrative in any way. A fight in which no one is injured or dies, no character traits are communicated to the audience, and no plot is progressed in a significant way.
My favourite part of this whole thing is Fringy progressively losing more and more of his shit over how bad it is 😂
30:30 "As a jedi, sometimes you have to make the decision that no one else can. That's what I did to defeat Thrawn."
Considering that no one's seen or heard from Ezra since he and Thrawn went to the other galaxy, I have to assume that this recording was made before he "defeated" Thrawn. So... interesting claim, there. Pretty presumptuous. I mean, that just sounds really awkward, doesn't it? Saying it as if it's already a done deal, when it hadn't happened, yet? Who talks like this? At least say "That's why I'm going to defeat Thrawn" or something more along those lines. It would still seem a bit misplaced confidence, but it's better than what we got. Unless all these recordings were made by an AI modeled after Ezra with the knowledge of what did happen...
But, I guess it worked out, right? Whatever... let's go get Thrawn back to this galaxy and undefeat him, invalidating Ezra's sacrifice. Sounds good. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. Wait, that's a terrible idea.
As a fanfic writer, i caste Dave out for his crimes for not editing his shit before posting
Hearing Rags come up with tests to confirm Force sensitivity makes me want an entire Jedi Padawan story from him.
I never understood the single, straight, miles-long highway outside of town that doesn't go anywhere, eventually just ending abruptly, and never has any traffic.
Thrawn was there for 10 year and didnt conquer the planet or loaded everything in the temple on the ship but i guess he just waited for 10 years lol
6:20:28 everyone was distracted by the zombie stormtroopers that no one realize that the tower they had to climb had several blast doors that the genius tactician Thrawn didn't think to close even though his sole objective was to buy time at that point. instead, the heroes get to use them to get away from the zombies
Imagine being Morgan Elsbeth. You work for years to bring together enough resources to create a giant intergalactic hyperspace ring, recruit two sith from seemingly nowhere, track down an ancient night sister map that just so happens to lead to the planet that Thrawn, the legendary tactical genius of the empire, is trapped on, and even manage to evade one of the last jedi in existence. Then, despite telling him multiple times that his plan isn't working, you watch as this "genius" completely fumbles what should have been the most one sided battle in galactic history and wastes all your hard work, before commanding you to kill yourself just so he can barely get away. What a fucking insult.
My favorite part of that Dark Souls bossfight at the end was that everytime she took damage it immediately healed back. That's amazing.
"This is not a humiliating defeat at all, but rather a rare species of victory.".
We could use your sarcastic wit, Cato.
He killed himself because he read the rest of the script.
With the tracking nonsense in Episode 2, why wouldn't Star Wars have something like the Cole Protocol from Halo. You know, a protocol where you would make a random jump before going to your destination to make it pretty much impossible for anyone to follow you; especially when you know you were being chased.
Because that would require more then surface level thinking of science fiction, which none of these disnoids can do.
So the captain guy that let the not jedi's on his ship got stabbed in a far less dangerous area than sabine, looked like the middle right lung lobe area for the captain dude? so thats like 1 destroyed of 3 lobes in the rt lung so he'd have a pneumothorax with some bleeding, possibly deadly if untreated but a simple chest tube fixes that and you'd live for hours possibly days or not even die depending on severity. Sabine gets stabbed through her liver I believe? It's death within minutes. The Liver has massive blood flow to it if the hepatic portal artery or vein is severed it's only slightly not as bad so she'd live like 3 minutes with possible lower right lung and rib destruction front and back. wtf disney, make light sabers dangerous again
Mandalorians have 2 livers. It shouldn't even need to be said!
@@thejemstone9219 Oh duh I forgot :*(
One also has to consider all the mass that was in the spot now occupied by the saber is flash heated into super heated gas that immediately expands into the surrounding tissue of the body. There's a damn good reason red mist burst put of Maul
@@yagamifire7861 well yes but i was going by how the source treats the wounds but yea it would cause violent explosive evaporation on top of al of that
It'd cauterize the wond in the same way diving into the sun would.
I didn't even realize it was over, I can't physically bring myself to pay attention to this show lol
Same thing here
When the episode 7 and 8 video came out I thought "I'm gonna wait for the episode 9 coverage to come out and watch all 3 at once"
Then when it took too long, I decided to watch 7 and 8, and halfway through episode 8 it dawned on me
"That's it ?"
That was it.
@@igorpedro8995 "That's it?" I guess lmao
Metal losing his mind over all the pregnant pauses is the only thing that brings me joy in life.
"People want this guy to be Starkiller from the videogames."
"That's Ezra."
"It's going to be a reveal of some kind."
hahaha... just wait for that reveal. lololol
A simple dashcam would have solved Hera's evidence troubles. But obviously, the Star Wars Universe is not advanced enough for such miracles of technology.
Her ship actually has one but it's mounted incorrectly since she doesn't know which ways up.
Cassian Andor’s ashes on Scarif are smarter than everyone in this show
More honorable too.
I would follow the ashes of Cassian Andor than any living characters in Ahsoka
I'm looking forward to EFAP watching The Acolyte, I bet that's going to be good!
Also, as a Fleet Junkie, the *only* positive of the show is that we've finally been able to see E-Wings on screen!
I was 11 when SW first came out. I never would've guessed it would all come to THIS. With all the books, comics and games, this is where we are. And Hi Rags
Something important to note is that Dave co-wrote a handful of TCW episodes and only actually wrote the last four himself (the Siege of Mandalore), and for Rebels he only wrote three himself. Both shows were otherwise mostly staffed with writers who had prior experience writing half-hour TV cartoons. Those shows are still absolutely riddled with problems, but they never got THIS bad, and I think at this point it’s pretty clear Dave was NOT ready to spread his wings as a solo writer.
And yet here we are, that’s the future Disney is plotting for us instead of trying to bottle what Tony Gilroy’s doing.
"Thrawn died at the battle of Lothal."
"That was never confirmed."
I don't know why it would even be speculated. His ship wasn't destroyed. It went into hyperspace with the purrgil, and Ezra along with them. Who is this imposter and what have they done with Hera? As far as she - or anyone - should be concerned, they went into hyperspace with an unknown destination and simply haven't been seen, since.
Bit late but I wanted to put in my thoughts.
The main theme of the New Republic seemed to be just putting the past behind them, even to their detriment, and trying to recreate a rose-tinted version of the Republic without dealing with the underlying issues that caused the rise of the Empire in the first place.
@@Lobsterwithinternet I find that incredibly stupid but can accept it as a policy for government bureaucrats that we don't know. I can't accept it for freedom fighters that we do know and that were there for the events. She could even tow the line to make nice with her government if she wants - I don't think she would, but fine - but in private communication with Ahsoka she's not going to speak that BS. She witnessed what happened with her own actual eyeballs.
@@alexhayden219 Politics is often pretty stupid in real life. But I agree it is incredibly stupid.
And it’s pretty often the case that freedom fighters who get into power often don't do too well since their skill sets don't gel well in politics where it's more about administration and balancing the needs and wants of many people who you need to satisfy to keep in power. Even in the EU this happened with Leia being a competent leader but being driven out by more slimy people.
But yeah, the way they portrayed it was pretty stupid.
"Luke, have I ever told you about Ashoka Tano, your father's exotic teenage apprentice . . ."
Oh lord
More like “Your father’s mistress”
Mf spent more time with Ahsoka than even Padme
"...the child that the Jedi order send to WAR with a band bra"
@@nont18411 Honest to god, I wouldn't have put it past Dave Filoni to have pitched a relationship between Anakin and Ahsoka, if he could get away with it he could.
He keeps pushing this narrative that Ahsoka leaving the Jedi is what really pushed Anakin to the Dark Side
@MasterIceyy he sure does love his special character.
The only things I liked in the whole show was Baylan and Shin, and sadly Ray Stevenson died, hopefully he didn't know how bad the final product actually was before he went. Hopefully they don't cgi him in the next season and just let him be.
Don’t have high hopes. Just look at what they did to Peter Cushing in Rogue One.
What in the fuck did you like about discount Alice??
@@HerohammerStudios At least she was Pretty? Which is still more to like than 90% of Disney SW characters.
@@HerohammerStudios No idea who Alice is, so, couldn't speak to that. She was more than just a non-character like the mist filled walking suit of 16 century armor. I thought she had at least a certain appeal to her, but yeah, that's about it, it's as much as we can hope for now.
@@HerohammerStudios My guess as to why anyone would like her is that she hasn't opened her mouth for more than a paragraph across this entire show. that means she hasn't said anything that stupid (yet), which elevates her above about 95% of modern Disney female characters.
You said it, Mauler. 3:44:02. You guys make it entertaining and kind of cathartic. Thanks for being here, watching and critiquing the stuff out there so we don't have to, and then providing the experience of a group watch for those of us who cant.
I watched the show first, but it's so much better to hear you guys rip into it using just pure logic-brain! Thank you EFAP team!
MauLer: I like the- they seem to nail robotic movements. Good job, show.
Rags: That's true, yeah. And the droids in the show, they really nail the robotic movements, as well.
MauLer: Heh heh heh
Just an eldritch horror man and his doggo, having good times, making witty commentary. :)
Ok so in theory that was an old night sister temple, and inside it, for some reason, was stored a magic ball which they locked that contains a really old map of space whale migration, and they ONLY do this one single path to this one specific planet. They just go back and forth all the time for some reason.
Ok are you following so far? Great.
So this magic ball contains this map, also known as a picture of the two galaxies and a straight line connecting them, cause all the minds of the Star Wars galaxy couldn't decipher that fucking strategy. Now, this magic ball is unlocked by just rotating the sections a couple times, and there is NO security system incorporated, it doesn't like shock the fuck outta someone that guesses the wrong pattern or explode or anything. You can just keep trying it forever and it'll activate when it's correct. The password to this magic ball, is just written on the ground in the place that it's kept. There's also a password to get it OUT of that temple in the first place, but that password is literally just turning the pillars which are the only notable features of the room and when they're in the right position, they lock in place and shit starts glowing. So it's impossible to NOT get the password right. Ok? Still following?
Right, so the night sisters are from Dathomir, that's where Darth Maul is from but they just look like humans for some reason, they don't even have head spikes. They supposedly use the force, but when THEY use it, it's MAGIC. They can fucking teleport, short distances at the very least, they can move objects too, they can cast repairo from harry potter for some reason, they can RESURRECT THE DEAD, don't ask, they can just create things out of thin air, they can do all sorts of weird shit that has nothing to do with Jedi or Sith, it's literally magic spells.
So........ These magic balls, can also be operated via their magic bullshit.
And the night sisters decided, NOT to make it so these magic balls work ONLY for their force magic, but they'll work for their force magic AND ALSO if someone just guesses the combination, of which there's not really that many. Also even if there were more, there's no security, so a droid can just be programmed to try everything until something changes. Even if we assume droids didn't exist when this map was made (How?) again there's no cost for getting the combination wrong, so whoever really wants to solve it can just keep trying different combinations, it'd only take some paper and a pen to track them. Even assuming it takes YEARS to guess the combination AND whoever found the magic ball decided NOT to take pictures of the temple it was stored in, because remember the combination is just written very obviously in the temple, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to use the map for anyone but a night sister if you just make it so you NEED night sister magic to operate it at all. It's like locking your car door at night, but the car is designed without windows. Then the car is turned on using the special key, or you can just enter the 4 digit password and no matter how many times you enter it wrong, it won't do anything. Also the password is written on the back seat.
This show is so fucking bad!
Oh and just to be petty.
Shin, the blonde sith girl's name?
It's clear by now Filoni is a massive weeb, so this is definitely meant to be the Japanese name.
Which is a guy's name. I've NEVER seen any woman in any context named Shin.
The space whales are the most crazy thing, how did they naturally develop hyper speed travel but hyper speed travel that is orders of magnitude faster than normal hyper speed.
They had to use 7 or 9 super star destroyed hyper drive cores to achieve the same speed as the star whales, like wtf?
@@MasterIceyy Mass Effect did huge powerful creatures that can travel through space on their own right.
They're aquatic creatures that developed technology to augment themselves so they could fuck off into space on a whim. Leviathans they're called, they're pretty cool.
You CAN do enormous space creatures correctly, but that would be unfathomably hard as Star Wars is constructed, and it's DEFINITELY not just going "Yeah they just exist, what even is hyperspace really, just don't think about it."
@@haku8135 Yes I'm a big fan of Mass Effect and know the lore, however the big difference is ME was written by competent people
Months later, but I just came back and watched this, and I have more to add.
So based on everything leading up to this, the Empire is convinced Thrawn is still alive and is going to return. Also, Ahsoka is convinced since she's looking for him in Mando Season 2. The only reasonable source we can deduce now is that Morgan Elsbeth was in communion through Force magics or something with the Dathomiri witches in Galaxy 2, and she decided to tell Empire people that she knew where Thrawn was. Except she didn't know exactly where Thrawn was because she needed a map. But also, she knew exactly where the map was since she told Ahsoka how to find it.
How is it remotely possible that Elsbeth or the Empire had not collected the map prior to Ahsoka showing up? The only reason Ahsoka is looking for Elsbeth is that she knows that Elsbeth knows the way to Thrawn, and the only way she could have learned that is from Elsbeth having shared that information with someone else and Ahsoka must have picked up on the Empire suits chatting about it. But if they were chatting about it, they had to have gotten that information from Elsbeth, who could have told them where the map is, and there's no reason she wouldn't have told them about the map if she's telling them about her plan to go fetch Thrawn.
But also, why would Morgan Elsbeth even been talking psychically with the Night Sisters, or whatever? They just decided to start sending out space skypes that said, "Hey, there's this guy here, Thrawn, he seems like he's plot relevant. Anyone want to come fetch him?" Like they're setting up an RPG quest board or something. Why would they think to tell Elsbeth about Thrawn, specifically?
It's all convoluted nonsense because nobody has any idea with an actual throughline.
Having scenes with people looking around not saying anything ONLY works if we are learning things from the environment. Medium shots of the characters faces gives us nothing. Thanks Dave, for the final nail in the coffin..
At this point, I'm surprised that Disney doesn't just get a bunch of toys and film a bunch of kids playing with them.
It's what the vast majority of Star Wars fans want anyway.
Seems like it's exactly what they're doing
They are leaving the franchise to manchildren writers, wich are playing with their mary sues, so it's pretty close
Kids playing with toys would be able to come up with a better plot line. That’s why they won’t do it.
@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Yes 12yo me could probably come up with better stories
1:09:01
He is mostly correct.
When Japan and Germany were defeated, a lot of the factors that were still intact we're still manned by the same people who ran them during the war. In the end most rank and file just want to live. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
4:12:20 Yes, I absolutely believe that Filoni would introduce ancient Earth into Star Wars if he would be allowed to. And, yes, I am aware that that already happened in some single issue of a comic somewhere at some point. I do largely prefer Legends over Disney Wars, but not all Legends are created equal.
I wish these were 1:1 with the episode so I could listen to them in real time like a commentary track
One thing I noticed is how only droids really get killed, other than the odd storm troopers every now and then, Star Wars now is so non-lethal, blasters are pointless now, due to everyone being covered in beskar, or just missing constantly.
Lightsabre's are now non lethal unless it's the bad guys getting hit by them.
Their target audience is children now
I'm just picturing police officers replacing tasers with lightsabers for nonlethal/less than lethal since they obviously don't kill.
The crew pointing out how Thrawn clearly hasn't done anything besides sit around on his Star Destroyer for however many years it's been made me think of something else.
Failoni wanted to implement the 'different galaxy' thing because he wanted to fool the audience into thinking they'd be seeing something truly alien to what we're used to, when what we got was just another backwater Outer Rim planet. Why would you go to the trouble of introducing an entire separate galaxy if you're not going to take the time to actually flesh it out?
Imagine if we learned that Thrawn had to ground and conceal his Star Destroyer to keep from being noticed by this galaxy's massive interstellar civilization. Or if he traveled between worlds, garnering support for the cause of the Empire and recruiting new alien civilizations to travel back to the main galaxy and fight the war together. Or if he decided to take root here, creating his own faction to take over a portion of this galaxy.
We could have learned that Thrawn, his army, and his Star Destroyer were detained by whatever civilization rules this galaxy, and we could see him bargain with Ahsoka and crew to help him escape in exchange for information on Ezra's whereabouts. We could have seen the other galaxy preparing to wage war on the main one following the discovery of the Star Destroyer, and the good guys and bad guys teaming up to stop them, providing us with the juiciest of opportunities for the development of characters, relationships, and interpersonal conflict.
Basically, Failoni could have used this new setting as an opportunity to explore scenarios that would be impossible in the main galaxy, but he opted instead to go with the laziest version of it. Nice.
One of the main reasons why Disney STAR WARS lightsabers fights are so shit is because they're now using these big, clunky lightsaber props that also emit natural light so they blend into the environment better, whereas with the prequels, they were using lightweight tubes and adding the effects in after. The speed at which you can swing those lightweight tubes is incredible, whereas the big clunky ones are harder to wield and also don't wanna be broken.
It is also because modern stage combat is getting slowly worse and worse due to health and safety concerns (which can be valid) and a generally low bar of entry for most actors (i.e. if you can swing a sword around and not endanger the other person then that's good enough)
I will give special props to the fight with Baylan and Ray Stevenson, as it looks like they did at least do their homework on two handed sword fighting techniques, there's quite a few stances and moves in there that are straight out of manuscripts from Talhoffer and Fiore De Libre, and Ray himself seems like a really decent fighter (such a shame and such a waste), but overall the choreography is still garbage.
Somehow makes it worse in a way, they could have produced really good fights with legitimate techniques and they just squandered it.
Sabine in her prison cell: I was hoping for a room with a view.
Baylan: Bitch, you live on Lothal. That place ain't got no windows.
Sabine: You promised me I would see Ezra again.
Baylan: You...you know we don't have him on this ship, right? You know we're still traveling between galaxies? What the hell do you expect me to say here? How the hell am I supposed to respond to that _insanely pointless_ statement?
My minds recalls a scene from a great Internet Historian video (They're all great), 'The Engoodening of No Man's Sky'. "Its not that rickety 12 foot ladder Disney's standing on, its the 900 foot building he's perched it on in the first place." and the Kenobi tv show was what made it collapse.
Dave Felony. Everything he has done to Star Wars is a crime.
2:51:10 Fulcrum is in reference to Asokha's codename in rebels when Kanan and the gang were in contact with her without knowing it was her, because this series is one big reference to rebels and pretty much nothing else
All the remarks in the show about "your aptitude for the Force is the worst I've ever seen", "The Jedi Order would not have accepted her. She is not an acceptable candidate", and so on and so forth throughout is that Captain Marvel thing where all the guys and the patriarchy are crapping on her and how she'll never succeed measure up to the guys. Only for her to eventually become the strongest, most powerful and incredible Jedi ever. Plus a Mando and Technology-Demolitions master. It's all just very heavy-handed "The girl is going to prove all you sexists and your sexist groups wrong!" She and Ahsoka will bring balance to the Force. Aboard their ship, "The Fulcrum".
All in Season 2.
Which, I hope to any merciful god out there, it never happens.
I think Dave Filoni must have been part of some kind of roleplay group at LucasFilm while making the Clone Wars and then he decided it would be a great idea to turn his roleplay stories into TV shows, it explains why he can't let his own characters die
He's a child. Like what the hell is the naming convention for these episodes? So unbelievably dumb.
Dave had people to tell him no during clone wars, like Sam W.
I'm so confused by the "magic" thing. As far as I remember, the Dathomiri Witches were just force users who had long since fallen off the Jedi/Sith training styles and thought what they were doing was magic, while the Nightsisters were simply dark-side witches. Some of them even became Jedi! Now it acts like it's a whole different thing, where they can summon weapons out of the ether...
Confusion. Sorrow.
"He'll definitely be a reveal" aged like wine
Is it possible that they keep adding Force powers so that they can cut down on characters and thus spend less money? If Ahsoka needs to do some detective work, instead of introducing some one with that skill, she can suddenly just do Force Sense Clues thus ending the need of the detective. Need a medic? No, Force Healing! Need a pilot? No, all Jedi can use the Force to fly any type of ship.
I mean, that was all there in Legends.
You know, the sad thing about the world between worlds, is that it could have worked if they did the character work right(well, "worked"). They could've gone the way of ahsoka being afraid she failed her disciple, sabine, and throught that failure she ended up turning to the dark side, like idk, sacrificing a whole galaxy just to see erza again, and that represented by anakin turning into vader through obi wan's failure. And in the end, her realizing that even after everything vader did, anakin redeemed himself and saved everyone in the end, and that pushing her to not give up on sabine.
But of course, that required them to do actual character work on the previous 4 episodes, which they didn't