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I love the critics in my country : "If you thought love and thunder was bad, go watch the marvels, you're not ready" "it's disney without the magic, the talent, the songs, the characters, the cinematography, the script, overall it's like a movie without a movie, hey i got a piece of paper buying my ticket, so it's not totally worthless."
When we realized that Carol just can’t stop genociding people. First, the Skrulls. Then, the Krebs. She just can’t help herself.
I wish American critics were that honest
That is fucking gold haha
There have been some good quotes, the Irish Times though, they might be at the top for me.
@@PsychicGirl meanwhile American critics be like: It has a black female director! It's really short! The energy is kinetic! Easy 9/10 babyyyyy
The Don is present = 1 billion USD
The Don is not present = fail
Coincidence? I think not!
@romainf3780 The Don should have appeared in the Marvels be the figure to uplift Carol, Monica and Kamala. In fact, you learn he's gained powers and has been using his abilities to help the galaxy as well but is more low-key about it. The lesson being that he is imparting is doing the right thing should be done without any kind of recognition but because it is the right thing. And we learn that he doesn't hold a grudge against Carol because that isn't what a hero does.
the Don is all seeing and all knowing. Somebody please get this film a Don.
All hail The Don!
The Don Conspiracy...
Don Guy Magic!
I like how the only consistent throughline in this film is that Carol is committed to killing her teammates
Shouldn't THAT make it 1/10/ worse than MOM? MOM is terrible, but at least Strange CARES for Chavez!
Only thing worse than MOM is DAD
But they don't die...
@@Сайтамен She’ll get them next time
Kamala needs to find a better superhero to idolize
"They talk in song."
Can you imagine trying to live in such a world where you are grievously injured and dying and the doctors and nurses can only communicate by singing and dancing in-between operating on you.
Like 2020 all over again
If you want to know how awful it is watch the Transformers episode "Carnage in C Minor" it is well known in the fan community to be awful.
@@LeeONardo Transformers was getting real weird at that point.
they do call it the opera
@@harvey9588 ... I can't tell if your comment is you playing dumb for a joke, or you are actually being serious.
Just remember, a "professional writer" who got paid what I presume is a fairly high salary thought Samuel L Jackson yelling "Black Girl Magic!" was a good line of dialog
Thats the state of modern hollyweird
Mmm i dunno about a high salary lol! Thats why theyre having so many issues post endgame. Every writer, and director is some first timer they probably pay in exposure haha! Cept koogler, he wrote/directed BP2 right? Hes just a mush mouthed hack. Even rami probably worked for peanuts since they basically just bought his name, and had him do like 3 shots for MOM.
The reason The Don wasn't in this movie is because he was too busy digging water wells in Kenya. By hand.
The Don builds hospitals and schools in devastated areas, helps open community centers in impoverished regions, and regularly donates to his community’s food pantry.
The irony when you realise that Captain Marvel has more of a presence to the Kree as a genocidal psychopath that destroyed their civilisation, than she does to the people of Earth (who by all accounts don't even know she exists) as hero
Marvel superheroines committing genocide is like a trend these days
Well duh, she barely was on Earth.
Unironically, Rocket Racoon would probably be more popular than Captain Marvel
@@thejemstone9219 After Phase 4 Raccoon might be the most popular character of those remained in MCU.
Earth's population sort of remembers as this uber powerful energy lady but not really a hero. Similar to how most modern audiences think of her today, not a heroic and complex character but a big powerful living nuke
Fringy: "Kamala's just a lame Green Lantern."
True!
MauLer: "No, she's just an idiot."
Also true!
For those that forgot:
Monica is the one that said to Wanda “They’ll never know what you sacrificed.”
So… not a great start to her character…
Literally the worst way to start off your character's story as a superhero: enabling a psychopathic murderer.
@@grandarkfang_1482 Oh, but don't you see? Wanda was a greiving mother! That means she's off the hook for everything!
Technically our introduction to Monica is her guilt tripping her mother into going on a possible suicide mission. Because dropping responsibilities in favor of adventure is "being a good example" for your daughter.
@@wingedyaga2914I try to justify it in my head as a child being stupid...... Her mother on the other hand for accepting that mission though 🤦♂️
Legitimately you have to wonder if the in their heads, the writers knew how ridiculous that line was.
Timestamps
0:00 Preamble
6:30 What Do You Need To Watch?
8:32 Marketing
13:18 Box Office
17:23 The Worst Script
24:10 Background, Timeline & Powers
33:21 The First Scene + Ms Marvel
39:37 Captain Marvel
46:48 Monica Rambeau
52:13 The incident
1:10:57 The Hammer
1:15:33 The Switching Fight Scene
1:56:00 Powers Explanation & Entanglement
2:08:00 Rags Joke
2:09:09 The Fall
2:19:58 Darth Ben: A Purple Menace
2:22:24 Ms Marvel Time Travel Power
2:24:30 To Hide A Bangle
2:25:10 Darth Ben: Attack Of The Kree
2:33:27 The Big Suck
2:37:10 A Monotone Universe (1)
2:40:24 Help
2:46:00 Valkyrie In Black
2:49:07 Darth Ben: A New Hala
2:57:21 Resolving Conflicts
3:01:04 Quantum Bands & Character Arcs
3:07:07 The Universal Weapon
3:08:25 The Portable Memory Store
3:11:56 Guessing
3:16:28 A Monotone Universe (2)
3:19:02 Teens On A Mission
3:23:43 Cats On A Mission
3:24:15 Training Montage
3:25:28 Eggs
3:28:34 The Musical (1)
3:31:10 A Monotone Universe (3)
3:31:50 The Musical (2)
3:33:50 Perfect Timing & Costume Design
3:35:40 The Plan
3:37:10 Darth Ben: Revenge of The Kree
3:42:00 The Scarf
3:44:20 Fight Scene
3:52:20 The Saber Situation
3:53:45 Captain My Captain
4:01:00 The Big Dramatic Second Act Low Point
4:13:50 The Space Escape
4:25:00 Suddenly...A Third Act Starts
4:30:50 The Sun Going Down
4:33:05 Darth Ben: The Last Kree
4:45:25 Fixing A Hole
4:52:26 Fixing The Sun
4:56:40 Epilogue & Post Credits
5:00:34 Ratings & Comments
5:18:12 What's Next?
5:27:45 Closing
5:34:54 @EFAPHighlights
Bless you friend
doing the Lord’s work here
@@necro4258 Doin *The Don's* work
Thanks
Blessed be
My favourite part is when it was implied you needed to watch WandaVision to know who Monica Rambeau is but then WandaVision does nothing really to establish her character and doesn't explain her powers at all
If I had a single wish in life, it might be to have as much opportunity as Disney wastes.
I'll settle for 1% of Disney's wasted opportunities.
Just give me Star Wars
Wouldnt you just love to sit in on their meetings for one of these shit shows? The decisions are baffling! Im pretty certain studio execs just dont watch anything but reality tv, and porn, or something. Story telling is an art that weve had mastered for hundreds of years. Maybe thousands. Yet this is the garbage we get. Even porn has better story telling.
Come for the Marvels, stay for the Fringy science rants.
He laughs like Billy from Predator.
I don't cum for any Marvel...
“Yeah, science.” - Fringy Pinkman
Fringy and Theo, when he does come on, are pretty goated
Nough
Imagine marvel wanted Brie Larson to lead the next avengers how embarrassing
dirty casuals. 😂
Why are we still taking about Marvels?
Legend of Zelda movie is coming out!
They wanted her, Spider-Man and Black Panther to be the big players post Endgame.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09And thanks to their own incompetence, that's not happening.
I thought they did. It came out that it was meant to be her, Spider-Man, and Black Panther as sort of a Space/Street/Avengers trio type deal. But then the Sony contract issues dispatched Spidey, and of course, Chadwick Boseman died, so basically Carol was all they had left...
And nobody gives a fuck about Carol.
Member how back in 2019 Marvel was smugly touting Plank as the new face of the MCU?
I member.
The mouse says if you want to see your kid again you will forget the last movie and just consume product and get excited for next product.
Also don't forget to post a totally not fake review to rotten tomatoes.
Where's that pesky neuralyzer...
Boop!
Pepprigefarm remembers
I feel like this movie was made for Tumblr/Twitter. There are three boss women, self-inserts, gay-baiting scenes, cats/kittens, randomness, a K-Pop singer, singing/dancing like a musical, the character designs look ridiculous, and "Black Girl Magic!".
You are not wrong.
Yet another powerful Kree man replaced with a woman of color.
Tumblr would have done better
TwitterX would have triggered into self-destruction before release , maybe a leaked almost finished file...
that's because it was.
unfortunately, most of the people who consist the vast, vast audience for Tik Tok don't go to the movies. they just watch Tik Tok, which is apparently a superior form of entertainment for them. anywhere they want. also, it's free.
To be fair Bill Murray is a perfect voice for Garfield...if it was a well written movie it would have likely been a legendary performance
Agreed. It was his best work since he played The Joker probably.
The definitive Garfield, one might say
@@tylercoon1791 Lasagna Cat was more natural. 'the Pipe Strip' is a masterpiece. "7/27/1978"
Back in the day the voice actor for the OG Garfield cartoon was also the voice for Peter Venkman the Ghostbusters cartoon
Still wish we got a Coen Bros' Garfield movie, with Nick Cage as Jon and John Goodman as the obligatory villain character
I made mention on this on a separate channel but I recently connected with a longtime friend(we live in separate states) and the topic of Marvel came about. He asked me if I saw the Marvels. I said no and I briefly went over my dislike of the current MCU and phases four and five. He agreed with my sentiment. Keep in mind, the guy is a normie, busy working hard and raising a family(I know this because I've known him for years and went to his wedding) and he admitted that in spite of liking Loki, he's been checked out of Marvel. This is purely anecdotal but I get the sense that's what's happening right now. Normies are walking away. The fans are walking away. Back in the Infinity Saga there was a FOMO element. Each movie made you want to see the next installment. And while the writing quality of those movies we can discuss, in general Infinity War and Endgame the MCU was redhot. And the franchise dropped the ball. No wait, the evicerated the ball.
It's gotten to the point where normies are walking away. This movie already had a huge hurdle with Brie Larson and Carol Danvers(in piste of the first movie's financial success due to being BEFORE Endgame) but man, if the box office is anything it's indicative of how far Marvel has fallen. And quite honestly, they have only themselves to blame. I don't like bashing Marvel or anything. But I'm not going to accept mediocrity.
I want quality content. And outside Iman Velani(Feel awful for her. She's doing the best she can with what she's given) being ok performance wise, this movie is so pathetic and disposal, nobody will be talking about it. All in all, the fall of the MCU is here. It sucks but this is the byproduct of hubris and bad writing.
Work with a family man going paycheck to paycheck but takes his many kids out to watch superhero stuff when he can. Likes Mando, likes Black Panther; _not a peep_ about Marvels
Your assumption would be right. I have a friend just like yours. Wife and kids and huge marvel and starwars fan. We’re talking die hard. He is still hooked in starwars but checked out marvel. He’s a die hard fan and has checked out. The only thing keeping marvel alive today are these kinds of UA-cam videos and social media. If those two didn’t exist, marvel would be completely dead. Disney and access media should be kissing UA-camrs asses for making fun of them and keeping them afloat.
Well, OK, now Marvel have a protagonist (and a floop-armed deuteragonist) who can _canonically_ tank suns. Congratulations, you've created some Celestial / Galactus level narrative problems for yourself to solve there. In any future situation where either character appears, all I'll be yelling is "Oh, is your new antagonist more dangerous than faceplanting into a sun? _Show me."_
Thor also can... But not for long
Didn't Richard Madden in The Eternals game end himself by flying into a sun? I thought they were meant to be ultra powerful, like Superman level strong.
I mean yaaaayyyy Captain Marvel, she's so unstoppabllllleeee...
Combined with the chick from secret invasion with all powers now i dont see how any villain is going to be a threat.
After she-hulk demonstrated that she can rewrite the script by going into the writers room and retconning her own show while it’s in progress, there’s no longer any stakes anyway.
@@СайтаменHe did yeah, using Storm Breaker and the giant forge, but unlike Captain Marvel (of course) it could’ve and nearly did kill him in the process.
2:45:28 I remember the night the Game of Thrones finale aired the final episode of a cartoon series called Star Vs. the Forces of Evil also aired. In that episode the main character, Star, decides to defeat the Enemy by destroying all magic in the universe. This would kill countless sentient magic beings, but one of her friends, who was a magic being, said she was alright with it, and Star used that as a license to basically commit genocide.
Let me make it clear. This wasn't a hard decision for her friend. With a slight smile on her face, she said she didn't mind dying and that it was a good idea. There was essentially no conflict at all. As awful as what Daenerys did was, at least the show had the bare minimum of common sense to treat genocide like a bad thing.
Incidentally, I'm crippled and my name is Brandon, so while I was watching the last episode of Game of Thrones with my best friend, she immediately started chanting hail King Bran the broken when all the characters did and continue to call me that for a while after watching the episode. I honestly would have been more upset if she hadn't taken the opportunity.
Jeez that Star thing sounds awful. It would be like one Jewish person being ok with the Holocaust so it made it alright.
@lordkrauser Yeah, it wasn't good. The show was actually somewhat decent for some of seasons 1 and 2, but towards the end of season 2, it got really bad and progressively worse throughout the rest of the series. The show starts off with the main character Star being a spoiled brat and they sort of act like they're going to put her on a character arc to change that but at a certain point they just sort of give up on it. And so for the rest of the show she remains a spoiled brat.
@@lordkrauser Hitler was quarter Jewish so...
Don't forget that the motivation to delete all magic from the universe comes out of buttfuck nowhere. Star has shown no inclination of hating magic throughout the entirety of the show up until that very point. Hell, out of ALL characters present in that scene where she decides it's time for magic to be destroyed, she is the one who should have the most talking points AGAINST it. And while that decision is awful, I genuinely don't know if I can call it the worst aspect of Season 4
I liked Season 1 and really enjoyed Season 2 despite some weird plot holes and worldbuilding errors sinking in, but then Season 3 was like the show tripping on a rock and Season 4 was the show failing to catch its fall from said trip and breaking all of its hypothetical limbs as it lands
@verstamech Let's also not forget the fact that it solved nothing. Even though they destroyed magic, she still let Mina go. And Mina was still bigoted towards monsters and expressed that she had no intention of letting go of that. And with Star destroying the barrier between dimensions for the sake of her ungodly connection with Marco, Mina would have a lot more supporters than she did before. Essentially, all she did was get rid of the greatest tool they had to fight people like Mina.
But I do agree that that isn't the worst thing about the series. The worst thing for me would be the romance. More specifically, how it's depicted. Star essentially gaslights and manipulates Marco into isolating himself away from his friends and family into complete subservience to her. I think the best summary of their relationship would be when Marco tells Star that he wishes she could shrink him down and carry him around in her pocket and pull him out whenever she wanted. This is a frankly terrifying idea of romance, especially given the kind of person Star is.
The show went from being about Star being sent to the human world to give her parents a break from her and hopefully for her to learn some humility to her taking the only thing she truly cared about from the human world, and I refer to Marco as a thing because that's how she treats him, back home and continue to harass her parents. She doesn't learn anything, and she doesn't have to grow and change at all. But that's okay because she hates racism or something.
If this movie really is the lowest opening box office movie for the MCU, then I now completely believe the rumors of tickets being bought out for the original Captain Marvel with nobody showing up. It makes sense in hindsight why the "billion dollar" Captain Marvel was quickly tossed aside in phase 4 with only cameos despite the reported "success" of the movie. Disney knew no one cared, spent money to make it look like people really cared, and got nothing in return except for this money sinkhole.
The rumored mass purchase of tickets could also have been allocated as marketing budget, in so far as a large opening box office combined with bought and paid for access journalism and critics would lead to normies that wait a week before going to the new movie going in greater numbers. They would also recoup a portion of the ticket sales as revenue especially during the first week when their portion of the box office is the highest. There is also the possibility of a tax write off from a stunt like that as well.
Mauler: Well when would you guys say the MCU went downhill?
Ragnarok
Mauler: Some people would say end gamr or after Guardians.
Ragnarok
Mauler: But really it's a matter of opinion.
Ragnarok. Therr is no other inflection point. Ragnarok was the first to shit on it's characters as clowns and fools. To treat the MCU as a joke.
THANK YOU. People look at me weird when I say that Thor Ragnarok was not 'the good one'. The first Thor was just as acceptable as the first Captain America.
The thing is inspite of its less serious tone and some unnecessary parts (1st half valkyrie and hulk), its actually a fucking good film and with a bonus of being hilarious, the character work between thor, loki and odin was the best it had ever been. Thor 1 and 2 are overhated but they are just kinda meh. If only marvel could find that balance once again
Iron man 3
Ragnarok is alright overall, but holy hell, did it dial the "undercutting every dramatic moment with an immediate joke" thing to 11. It was present to a point already, Guardians and Ant-Man had it but it still knew when to not shit on themselves.
If that is the standard, then I'd say that Iron Man 3 was first
Fringy's rant about how the MCU handles Aliens reminds me of Star Trek and particulary the Klingons. They only have few bumps on the head (Not even that for the original series) and yet their probably one of the most famous alien species in fiction. Why? Because the writers knew that to make an Alien interesting you give them a culture not a gimmick. In there first appearance you have a great character in Kor. The way he moves, talks and treats people tell you almost everything about the Empire he represents. This one character made the Klingons main stays in the franchise. Then years later you have Star Trek 3 and another fantastic Klingon in Kruge, fleshing the Klingons out even more with there views on battle and honour. The Klingons are different from us but still feel like real people with their own goals and values. Then you have the MCU who think to make an Alien species you just give them a weird gimmick no matter how little sense it makes which just makes them feel like a manufactured plot device
@cyberleader6074 Fantasy and Sci-fi has a unique opportunity to explore unique cultures distinct from us. Clever writers can often utilize that as ways to comment on society and culture but not be on the nose about it. For example, something in the old Star Wars EU that always fascinated me was the Kel-Dor(That's Plo-Koon's species). They lived on a planet with low oxygen and helium(hence the face masks) but the cool part was their view on life. They didn't believe in moral gray. The species had a black and white view on things and often attributed moral gray as quote "not being able to distinguish the good from the bad".
If Disney Star Wars was competent, imagine bringing in a Kel-dor and introducing that concept with say the First order or Remnant trying to attone and a broader discussion of what is good vs evil? But nope; we just get generic aliens and no opportunity to showcase the wonders of space and aliens.
And what makes it even more a travesty is that these aliens aren’t brand new creations by the writers (or, rather, the writers are obviously acting as if they are by undoubtedly outright ignoring the source material. But I digress). So they have no excuse for them to be presented in such a shallow and uninteresting manner, distinctly lacking a logical history. In contrast, as you point out, the Klingons, who were a new, or at least still not fully fleshed out race at the time, were already being written dynamically in those early appearances, with no significant previous source material to pull from. In the end, I’d say this all points to blatant outright negligence on Marvel/Disney’s part. Such a shame. And I do mean they should indeed be ashamed.😒
Not just that, they created their own language for the Klingons. And Star Trek did not have nearly the same amount of budget as Disney. Because they actually cared enough to try and make a species and not just a set piece.
Deep Space Nine does a really good job in expanding on the entire universe of Star Trek.
Take, for example, the Ferangi! Before DS9 they are, if I remember correctly, just a scheming and greedy people. But DS9 explains how their economy works, their government, how not everyone is greedy and evil, the corruption in the government, a lot of stuff. But also the laws they follow, how they exploit other people, just really everything about them. They also allow it to change and grow over the course of the show, letting it feel like a real place and now, as I said, a set piece. And the Ferangi government is not even an important part of the show, just because they had a species that did not get much use and made one of the main characters that species. Then through him they wrote stuff about the government usually for the filler/non-main plot related episodes. And those episodes were generally good! They did not even need to be there but 1) they were good, and 2) they added a lot to the universe.
Also, as you can tell, I really like DS9. Very good show, probably the best Star Treks. Even if most people hated it and thought it was not Star Trek when it was airing.
Is Fringy autistic?
One of the best conversations from Mass effect touches on this but actually from the other angle. Early on talking to Kaiden it’s discussed how wild it is out there with Aliens being so different and having different cultures, but then ultimately ‘they can be saints and assholes just like us. I guess they’re a lot more like than we realise.’
*Saw some MCU stans blaming the movie’s poor opening box office on the SAG strikes. How the mighty have fallen…*
#blackgirlmagic
They'll come up with a thousand excuses and blame everyone and everything instead of accepting the hard to swallow pill.
Jump scare them with FNAF box office despite the strikes AND being released on Peacock.
I also genuinely wonder if the lack of promotion had anything ti do with it, normies typically consume anything with enough of it
@@broorb4104 FNAF had the same or harder handicaps, but did great. It's no excuse.
If cats can't save a film, clearly it just can't be saved by anything.
Dogs.
@@lacidar3752 HAW! Thanks for the laugh. Pfffft, dogs. How absurd.
Seriously, the presence of cats felt like a patrionizing choice like "we know that you single independent women loves cats"
The only time a cat improved a movie (or anything really) was Boondock Saints
@@giulizpaviz6381 whats wrong with loving cats?
Thanos has more fans than CP Marvel in-universe because he has a cool ice-cream shop.
Fringy: "It's failure is undeniable!"
Shills: * Challenge Accepted *
I love how obvious it was in the trailer that it was the bad guy dying; Fringy absolutely NAILED it and yet noone believed him 😂
I thought she would burst i to a monster or something 😂
What a hilarious stream, thank you. Better than the actual film.
(Also, more Nutsa please!!)
And Jlongbone is always so shy 😕☹️
Disparu saying that they probably wrote the 3rd act fight with the 3 characters switching FIRST and then had to come up with a movie to lead up to it is likely dead on. They do this with pretty much all their movies cause pre vis starts so early.
I just want to know why the writer was so overambitious that the switching mechanic was a thing. It sounds like a failed Mario gimmick that the game is built around (Sunshine’s water pack and the possession hat in Odyssey).
Curious, what are good movies written backwards from the ending climax? Surely there's good examples out there.
@@samwallaceart288 A lot of people say Winter Soldier. This was the first Marvel movie I recall where this method was used, but it might not be the first. EFAP generally regards Winter Soldier as trash though. I’m more in the middle on it.
@@amusingmoose9924I mean in the context of a final fight, 3 characters swapping locations isn't that ambitious, a solid choreography and rationale for the swap and its fine.
The problem is a movie isn't just the ending fight and you need to make a whole movie with them swapping first lol
@@darkpuppetlordful Jujutsu Kaisen did it beautifully with two people. Though you could say it's 3 because the bad guy is getting swapped occasionally as well.
Sure it's animated, but I imagine this finale is mostly cgi anyways.
I never expected EFAP to call Muneeba [Kamala's mother] one of the best character introduced in Phase 4.
After John Walker of course.
Besides No Way Home I stopped watching Marvel after Endgame but going by the reviews being the best new character in a post Endgame MCU is not the highest of bars to leap over.
@@jacquelineking5783 Well, considering how good John Walker and Kate Bishop are, you have to be pretty good to top them. It's not very hard to be top 3 though.
Great stream! So cool to see JLongbone and Disparu appear on EFAP again!
The Lego Ninjago Movie is probably one of the last movies I expected to be brought up on EFAP
I have heard of that movie exactly 2 times. First time I heard it existed is when the Lego Ninjago Video Game was free on Steam. Never played it. The other time is just now. 😂
I'm here to find out if Captain Marvel assaulted and robbed someone again.
No, she just started a Civil War this time
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 But not a good one...
She robbed millions of their lives
The Don would have found a way to reignite that star, just saying
So, you’re telling me the antagonists in this film took notes from Spaceballs?
Like in Last Jedi.
What you've got is what we need, and all we do are dirty deeds, we're the Space Balls! Watch out!
this might just be me but that dubbed line "you have to fly" sounds exactly like woody telling buzz lightyear he has to fly. like identical to me
Ms Marvel isn’t Flying, She’s Falling, with Style. ^.-.^
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon So did Buzz fly with black girl magic?
Captain Marvel really should have died when she powered up a literal Sun. God knows the MCU has any concept of powerscaling at this point.
Well loki is god of the multiverse or god stories soo yea 😅😂😂. I'm tired of the mcu right now
You mean captain plank
And I thought Dragonball Z's powerscaling was bad ...
I think on another day, Rags's joint exposure joke would have landed
The TV side of things certainly deserves a lot of blame for the state of the MCU.
100 million dollar budget buys Christopher Nolan period details, cameras shooting in large format, gigantic cast of beloved character actors, an epic 3 hour runtime and great sound mix. A technical masterpiece brought to you by a blockbuster auteur. Movie only needs to make 450 mil+ to make profit even after Hollywood accounting, makes $950 million. Probably sweeps the Oscars.
The Secret Invasion, a fucking TELEVISION series on Disney+ that can’t even break a million viewers, cost double the money. Universally lauded as the worst MCU project. Is it really? Who cares. It’s perceived to be bad. Can the occasional good show Loki salvage the stink of shows like these? Who cares. It’s perceived to be unsalvageable. This is peak oversaturation. The bad sticks out, the good gets buried underneath all the bad. Now people go from disliking your stuff to straight up not watching your stuff. Your tv shows start feeling like homework. Your movies don’t feel like events anymore. The perceived shittiness of the tv side combines with perceived shittiness of the movies and eventually you lose all the goodwill among audiences.
Oppenheimer was an anomaly tbf, so you can’t hold up superhero stuff to the same standards of quality. You certainly can hold up the budgets side by side though. If you really wanna go the budget route for franchises, maybe consider Barbie as a blueprint. $100 million production. Biggest movie of the year. Feels like an actual event(even the MCU movies don’t feel like events anymore so don’t even get me started on how oversaturated the tv shows feel).
Now, let’s talk about the quality of the shows. Scorsese said that these movies weren’t “cinema”. A lot of people disagreed, fair enough. A lot of people agreed, fair enough. But it’s the tv shows that desperately need to be called out. It’s about time someone like Vince Gilligan or Craig Maizin came out and said that these shows aren’t “television”. I mean shit, Disney, you literally got Tony Gilroy in the building go ask him how he made Andor. But for fucks sake make actual television shows built for television with an actual television structure and television storytelling instead of arrogantly pumping out this sludge.
Seriously, these Marvel shows are the most disposable, fast food piece of shit trash being put out right now while also damaging the genre and industry as a whole. Who the fuck is this for? A very small number of die hard fans who will watch and praise anything the MCU pumps out? That’s not gonna move the needle.
My point: regardless of how the movies turned out, I will always maintain the MCU would be in a far better state right now if they never made these tv shows.
@bikramarora1919 It's Kevin Feige not understanding how to make a TV series. While Jeff Loeb had his issues(Iron Fist, Inhumans), he had folks under him who knew how to make TV. That's why Daredevil was awesome because you got talented folks, like Drew Goodard(who got his start working under Whedon with Buffy) and Steven DeKnight. The latter would produce hits, like Spartacus( a favorite series of mine). I know plenty of folks do not like Gary from Nerdrotic but he's spot on when he says Feige "casts" directors.
I guarantee these directors do not have much say on these projects. Nia Decosta left this movie during post-production to work on her own movie. And Ms. Marvel, the main writer for that, left after penning a rough draft and never came back. Feige clearly thought he could approach TV and do it better than Loeb. Not realizing that TV is a different animal than movies.
That's why Gunn actually is in a better spot with DC, relatively, because he's got HBO who have folks capable of making good TV series. For goodness sake, Feige and company just kept greenlighting these series WITHOUT pilots. Typically, you shot a pilot, see how it does and shop around before committing to a full season.
All in all, the D+ series are just bad movies cut up into episodes. They lack any kind of coherence of a good TV series and intrinsically good writing on its own, outside Andor from what I heard.
@@Avarn388Disney is also so irresponsible with their money that they think it's realistic to have a huge CGI character like She-Hulk in a small TV show behind a paywall. Why not just paint a female bodybuilder green and use creative camera work instead? Or just give her a movie with the Hulk? And they hired the *absolute worst writers* on Disney+. How did they manage to get an entire writers' room of women who can't write a legal drama in a show about a lawyer? Why was no one _fired_ when that became publicly known? This shows that they're juggling too much at once, and problems are slipping through the cracks.
If they care about the company, but I believe they don’t. Their bank account seems separated from the income of Disney to me.
Executives like Feige and Kathleen get paid enough to take care of themselves and only themselves. They’ll keep going till they’re forced out, but they won’t be worse off for it (Or at least not till they’re much older)
@@Avarn388 Agreed. When a TV show is made, a showrunner and/or writers pitch a show to networks because they have a script or ideas for a show. And once someone is interested, they develop it.
What Disney is doing is them saying "we want a show about X superhero" and they go to a bunch of writers and say "we want you to write a show about X superhero, what ideas do you have?" And develop it that way. Makes no sense.
I feel like this movie actually makes Captain Marvel's absence worse because it establishes that she can travel to Hala, the Skrulls home world, and Earth pretty much instantly.
There's literally no other reason other than personal issues why she couldn't have been doing things on Earth and dropping by every once in a while to check on Monica.
What kind of sequel doesn't have the most important character from the previous movie?
Don but not forgotten!
The Don is like Mon Mothma in Revenge of the Sith; super important, scenes got deleted, deserves to get his own TV show.
@@samwallaceart288 Mon Mothma eventually got hers...and was ruined in another.
This sounds like a videogame mechanic. You're quantum linked so you can only use one at a time, and you can switch voluntarily to use different powers.
EDIT: Sam Jackson is sick of credit card ads costing him street cred, so he does the Sean Connery thing to do movies for "Money, dear boy.".
I find it hard to believe SLJ would care about street cred with all the money he's made from those commercials...
i love how My Hero Academia put more thought into a character who could phase through matter, who was in the show for maybe half a season than a multi billion dollar marvel movie.
Even though Horikoshi lifted so many powersets from One Piece and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, he put a tremendous amount of thought into that world and story (at least early on). The key difference between him and just about anyone working at Marvel right now is that he cares. He probbaly cares less now than he did back between 2014-2020, but it's still more than the people working at Marvel.
@@David_the_Psalmistwhat powersets did he copy from JoJo and One Piece?
@@David_the_Psalmistexamples of anything he pulled from jojo?
@@kye698 The easiest is Manga’s power. That’s basically a carbon copy of Echoes Act II.
Also, that’s not strictly a bad thing. A lot of characters in JJBA have power sets worth copying.
Bad week in the Tom hiddleston household with his girlfriend “no your show was was worse!”….”no yours!”
So they stole from Spaceballs but also aliens 👽 chasing people while saying “Stop we come in peace’ 😂🤪
"Guess it wasn't the dove..."
I would also add the first Ratchet and Clank game. Chairman Drek ruined his own planet, so he was stealing parts of other planets to make a new one just so he could make more money and repeat the process once the new planet was ruined.
"I'm sick of these Flerkin space cats on this Flerkin space ship in this Flerkin crisis!"
"What the Flerk?!"
"Flerk you!"
It sounds like a bad swear word.
Just an observation here but I think the movie Nutsa's sister was referring to is The Eternals, not Tomb Raider, which had Angelina Jolie in it. I mean yeah...I can understand her sister's confusion there because the characters are both blond and both nigh indestructible.
It says something when someone’s mention’s an actor and everyone assumes that they are talking about a movie that came out over a decade ago? Not the most recent one.
They were all joking, they knew it was refering the Eternals
Bill Murray is Garfield in live action because his original cartoon voice (Lorenzo Music) was also Peter Venkman in The Real Ghostbusters. It's like poetry.
3:56:30 "Chad John Walker, one of the last heroes of the MCU" lol I wonder if we'll ever see him again
In Thunderbolts
@@Сайтамен Is it still going to happen?
@@leriava no idea, but since Marvels and Echo aren't cancelled...
So the whole drama between Carol and Monica is that Carol never came back home, but she had to have been back enough times to have a fan-base and merchandise
There is also why Monica should care personally about Carol. As far as I know she met her for maybe a couple of days when she was a kid. Then Carol fucks off to find the Skrulls a home. Hell her mother shouldn't have had much of a relationship with Carol given the passage of time. To Monica Carol should have been that woman my mom was friends with before I was around.
Which means that Captain Marvel is one of the world’s worst narcissists. Honestly, checks out.
@@jacquelineking5783Monica knew Carol for a long time before she was abducted by the Kree. I know it's hard to remember that forgettable movie, but in the skrull memory machine sequence, we see her talk with Monica in the past. That's how they knew eachother.
Unless someone was REALLY into the product...
I remembered the guy that bought 100+ TICKETS
It's worth noting that Kamala Khan being a Captain Marvel fangirl is a holdover from the comics that was was not translated into the MCU at all.
Basically, in 2012 Marvel rebooted Carol Danvers into a butch version that was supposed to be "the most popular superhero on Earth". She had fans, paparazzi, tabloid gossip, the works. Post-Secret Wars, she led a team called Alpha Flight operating from the space station orbiting the Earth, acting as the first line of defense against any threat coming at the earth from space.
But the MCU never brought in the "most popular hero on earth" aspect of her character. They went the opposite direction--after her introduction, she left the planet, and had almost no ties to Earth until this movie. So she has no reason (in-universe) to be popular on Earth. While it made sense for Kamala in the comics to be just another fangirl, it makes no sense in the MCU; for some reason the writers felt they had to keep that aspect to explain the character name and outfit.
The 2012 reboot was dumb, and it ticked off everyone because Captain Marvel was being pushed on fans, comic shops, and other stories. She was basically the start of Marvel's version of "the Force is female". Her solo book sold so poorly, it had to be rebooted once a year until they gave up. That made it a bizarre choice to bring her into the MCU, which can only be explained by virtue signaling and politics. So her RL audience popularity there pretty much matches her popularity in the comics.
In Marvel's Avengers game she is just an Avengers fangirl.
@@СайтаменWhich makes far more sense tbh
I remember people thinking that Monica was going to be the MCU equivalent to Kamala, it would make some sense, but nope Monica is only in the MCU because she held the "Captain Marvel" title for a while in the comics.
I remember they tried to shove Captain Marvel into Guardians of the Galaxy books as well since she didn't get enough traction by herself.
I miss the time when carol was ms marvel
She was a cool character then,
And by the way captain marvel Is billy batson
I also miss Captain mar-vell
How old is Goose? At least 30 years old from the first movie, so Flerkens have a much longer life span than actual cats, but Goose doesn't even look any older.
'pussy magic'
It's Ctulchu cat, it's immortal.
"By the way, the rules for the powers switching their locations are... there are no rules."
Did you know Jim davis always imagined Garfield having the voice of Jack Nicholson?
That would have been his best work since his performance in The Exorcist.
I did not. That kind of fits, but it’s also a bit unnerving.
That's exactly the perfect casting
"Tell me, Jon. Have you ever danced with the devil by the pale moonlight?"
That makes a ton of sense. Lorenzo Music had kind of a "mellow Jack Nicholson" thing going on.
Watching Avengers and fast forwarding to this, Fury's degradation into a geriatric fart is painful.
Where did Monica's powers come from? Black girl magic.
Actually, she's appropriating a white girl's magic.
I decided to jump on the grenade and watch this film, because a number of friends and I are interested in the downfall of Marvel (and Disney in general).
I sat in an audience of about 30 people or so, and it was dead silent for most of the film. A couple people chuckled at the beginning of the Flerken scene, and someone gasped at Beast's appearance. Aside from that, nobody reacted. I caught people checking their watches and phones.
It feels to me like the MCU and viewers alike are just going through the motions now.
Upside is, after I left I got to listen to this EFAP as a form of catharsis.
If we’re going thru the motions, then what’s gonna happen next is by failing so spectacularly, the next product is gonna have A LITTLE bit more intelligence to it to win back some hope. I’ve seen it with some franchises that do this when they do the same stupid, lazy writings. Makes you believe their writing up to that point was on purpose
Mortal Kombat, Star Wars, and Sonic come to my mind
How much do you wanna bet the others who were dead quiet were watching for the exact same reason you were?
If you decide to do that for another movie of theirs and anything similar happens maybe try talking to the people afterward to figure out what some people really attend for at this point.
@@yuin3320 Not a bad idea. It was Veteran's Day, and there were a few men who I figured were veterans there for a free movie. Couple families with young daughters too. Most people bounced immediately after the mid-credits scene, though, so I wouldn't have gotten to ask many, haha.
I am vaguely considering Madame Web since it feels like more of the same, so maybe I'll try your idea then.
Are you ok though? Trauma is no joke. Remember, you are loved, I think.
"What are your powers?"
"I can see light."
"...uh...riiiight... that's most of us."
When Darth Ben said that “With great power, comes great responsibility.”, I cried so hard I pissed myself.
One of the scenes of all time.
Unironically, I could see a darksider using that line to justify their actions and of their organization
@@TheKpa11 Absolutely. This could have been a great premise. Actually this was Thanos’ motivation in Infinity War.
Haven't you guys seen movies? You know the trope where a character gets sad the weather changes and it starts to rain, right?
That'a obviously what happened to the star, the Kree civil war gave it the big sad and it started to die. And only the fantastic charisma of Brie and a bit of black girl magic on the side can revive it.
Sounds like something ego’s parent star would do.
I believe the Leviathans made the relays; the race that created the Reapers. The Reapers, in turn, enslaved the Keepers at some point (probably after the first cycle) to use them to keep everything running between each, subsequent cycle. IT's also possible there's been multiple races that have been subjugated and turned into Keepers over time; there's no way to know for sure.
It's also implied anything any "current" cycle races know about mass effect technology is due to poking and prodding the relays, it's a really neat way to set up an unknown tech that society relies on
around the 45ish minute mark, they were talking about how phasing would affect someone. in "my hero academia", there is this person who has the ability to phase but when activating his phasing power in his whole body, he can't breath because oxygen would just phase through him. he also can't see because light would just phase through his eyes and light would not bounce. he also sinks through the ground. his story is about how he overcomes the shitty side effects of his power that are not that great in the first place(compared to other characters in that series). despite all these, he is still considered as one of the greatest superhero in his age group. that anime is not that good but some characters are great.
To be fair his power is instantly made insanely powerful by the goofy side effects of going hard while inside something, he's ejaculated out at incredible speeds, his power is literally designed to be a "work hard, reap benefits" type
What _I_ can't wait for, is to see the apologist crowd defend this one. Captain Marvel 1 was bad, but, it made a lot of money, so disnoids could soyjack point at the box office sales and go "See, haters? You're WRONG. It made MONEY. Stop trolling, you sexists, you're on the wrong side of history!"
But this movie doesnt have that.
I'm _tempted_ to make a bingo card...
Would "Misogyny" or "Muh strike" be the free square? 🤔
2:51:50 Funnily enough, Mauler gave a perfect description of a revolution, especially the French one.
Great stream! I’m a bit sad that JLongbone seems to still be struggling to overcome her shyness on EFAP. We gotta get her onto whatever has helped E;R come out of his EFAP shell!
I think Jlongbone tends to talk more when there's less people around.
Modern writers seem curiously dependent on plot elements with "random" activation conditions/effects. Almost like "random" and "plot convenient" are interchangeable in the hands of a lazy writer.
"I believe the water on earth is slowly evaporating" is the most art major thing ive heard on an efap
Captain Marvel is less mindful of her crew than frickin Captain Barbossa
Just like Secret Invasion introduced the MCU's version of Perfect Cell, The Marvels film has officially made Carol Danvers into the MCU's Vegeta. If the intense gravitational force and heat of the Sun can't even burn her armor off ( thanks Marvel, for not even giving us a nude and flustered Carol), there is nothing in the MCU that could stop her, save for a Black Hole, and the most that would do is trap her for all eternity.
Unironically, it'd give her a full memory-restore and a black-hole-powers level up.
That's rude. Vegeta has died twice at least!
@@darkpuppetlordfulthat's because there are things in DBZ that can threaten Vegeta's life. There's nothing in the MCU that can come close to threatening Carol's life.
Still zero explanation how ms marvel became a master in hand to hand combat
Pakistani girl magic
As bad as Marvel is , I never thought they’d have a movie that is received worse than Jem and the Holograms lol
I forgot that even existed
2:08:32 Rags I got your joke. I think Disparu was right and everyone's brain was melted
When Fringy said they say the planets would make a full recovery, no hyperbole, i newrly choked to death on a candy.
I nearly died from The Marvels
Additional plothole for Endgame: Why didn't Fury or Danvers just sick Goose on the invading army. A Flurken is one of the most feared creatures in the entire galaxy/universe. Can you imagine what would happen if they just set Goose loose on Thanos's invading army and even Thanos himself?
Captain Marvel is basically all the Omniman and Homelander tropes but rule 63ed
"Somehow...Purple Hammer returned."
The whole movie should’ve been a mix of an actual Secret Invasion, the destruction of Hala, and the “Star Trek” esqe plot of using Jump Gates as weapons.
Dar-Benn as a politically savvy enemy allying her dying planet to the Skrulls, using them to infiltrate Earth’s space station, etc and then betraying them by unleashing the Annihilation Wave (aka Annihilus) by making a 2nd deal which effs over the Skrulls.
Turns out reading lots of comics is helpful for imagining more than a space kitty movie.
This is truly the black girl magic of all time
43:02 Like Xandar, which was almost wiped out by Ronan the Accuser.
I remember people theorizing that Carol was somehow connected to the Nova corps because her chest piece kinda looks like their ships.
Ive been saying for years now, they missed the opportunity to make Carol the Captain of the Nova Corps back when they “promoted” her.
Captain Marvel would be her moniker, as she was Ms Marvel and now is the Captain of the Nova Corps. The helmet and costume is near identical, and Richard Rider could be her bf/love interest.
Am I the only one who wants to know why the KREE villain isn't BLUE?????
Bc blue man is bad..
@@thanostitan2746 So the villain has to be Not-White? 🤣🤣🤣
There are so-called Blue Kree and Pink Kree, like Mar-Vell.
@@ferrarriohh But what about Black Kree? 🤣
@@thanostitan2746But Thrawn...
The Snap truly ended Marvel. Rest well Thanos.
I’m happy to see Fringy take lead in this one. Of course I love MauLer, it’s just good to change it up every once in a while and let others give it a go.
Legitimately Why? Fringy has a habit of constantly interrupting and talking over everyone, he drowns out the other guests and hosts perspectives.
@@Barricade706 I actually find that Fringy gets talked over a lot. I feel like his podcasting skills have improved a lot lately. He has good insights, is funny, and is animated.
@@StevenBanaszak That is shocking to me and I feel like we're not watching the same podcasts, he is typically the controller of the conversation and will run over other peoples statements before they're complete to inject his own perspective. But to eachs own, I appreciate the response
Seeing Fringy’a first line be about the Lego Ninjago movie made me think
What if the EFAP crew reviewed the Lego Ninjago Series, which has been going since 2011 & has spanned over 200 episodes
Im gonna say there is a 0% chance of it, because no way would they watch it all, nobody would be interested in an episode on it... and you wouldnt even get any good guests!
It had a few really cool moments, and occasional humor that actually worked, but the show was way too much a kid's show to be any real good.
@@thoronbar The show has great characters, phenomenal music, & good stories. The animation is rough in the beginning but down the line it becomes more fluid & dynamic.
The lore is convoluted & there exists plot holes every season but it is a good show.
The best way to describe it is when its good its great, when its bad its horrible
I hope one of those EFAP movies is Robocop, the sequels, and the remake. I just want an EFAP of that now after hearing Mauler saying he watched Robocop again.
I second this!
Apparently the new game is pretty good too
I can't believe this movie has a planet with a dying sun caused by a civil war, worst part is that somehow they have a drought as well.
I wonder how they literally write every scene down when they first watch it
They ask the kind theater employee to pause the movie.
@@samuraibobafett1118 I mean, pretty easy when they're the only ones there.
@@samuraibobafett1118
That’s a funny imagine to think about.
I could see that in Mystery Science Theater 3000
They're quick writers.
@@grandarkfang_1482 "he's writing this as he goes along" - Bill Murray talking about Jess Loveness on the set of Ant-Man 3
One absolute big point that nobody touched on in this stream: What the heck was the plan to stop Captain Marvel from coming back and messing up the Kree a second time; say that the big'Succ succeeded, what then?; you pissed off Captain Marvel, wtf are you going to do now?
On the point of the whole switching - I can absolutely see this mechanic being done really great in the hands of someone competent. Like, give this to the people who made "Everything Everywhere All At Once", they'd probably figure it out and make it fun. Make it a permanent consideration All the time, like Mauler said - Carol could be in the middle of saving someone so she doesn't want to randomly get switched with Kamala who can't fly and doesn't have super-strength. It could be a constant thing to be aware of in a fight, where 2 out of 3 are at a disadvantage because one is handling a thing only she can handle, or - as they start doing at the end - once they get the hang of it, they start tag-teaming their enemies and make that a big ol' triumphant moment of team-work and girl power. And also, with the enemy being aware of that mechanic, they could intentionally focus on specific ones in the trio, put enough pressure on them to make them use their powers and switch, so that the enemy could strategically take on the one they want to, and make that one of the things the heroines have to think their way out of later.
There's so many things they could have done with this, and it's all wasted on mediocrity, jokes and character vacuums comparable to the hole that the bad guys use to suck out that planet's atmosphere.
When Mauler discusses the Avengers' scene, he mentions that the camera spins around them. It came to mind that this is a cinematic convention which adds to tension. What I'm trying to say here is that Marvel not only used to have well written characters, but also a good understanding of filmmaking. Not just CGI, but composition and editing
You're a true hero Fringy, we dont deserve you 😂 Your work here is very much appreciated. Explaining that body swapping scene sounded like an aneurysm waiting to happen
What's up my Negas?
SGB: What up my Ninga
It also makes zero sense, because Photon's powers were given by MAGIC... (aka walking into Wanda's barrier) and Danvers' came from the space stone (a COSMIC item) and Ms. Marvel's is... Um... "special delivery" from the UPS? Or she's a mutant or something..Yes tgey all have "light based powers" but... That shouldn't "entangle" them.... That's like burns... There are SEVERAL types of burns but acid. electricity and fire all have Very little TO DO WITH EACH OTHER... But that all CAUSE "burns".
Ms Marvel is a mutant, its stated in her series
Nice to hear Wolf is involved again! I didn't find EFAP until after he'd left, but I listened to a lot of the early episodes.
The delays and lack of screentime of Captain Marvel from phase 4 shows that Marvel knew how bad this movie is going to be
Sorry, me again. I rarely get to catch these live so extra thanks. Imagine, in the alternate universe, Binary isn't Carol Danvers but...the Don.
4:32:40 "why would you show the sun visibly dimming?" I honestly don't know Fringy; it's the J.J. Abrams school of depicting astronomical bodies in the sky that are extremely far away. See Star Trek 2009 and The Force Awakens for further examples
This was the first time I listened to EFAP podcast before watching a new Marvel movie at the cinemas/from Disney Plus/borrowing a Blu-Ray.
Thank you! Can't wait for the next EFAP Marvel experience.
So if this does take place after Secret Invasion, those surviving Skrulls that are heading to New Asgard are screwed
Fringy did a great job leading EFAP.
So sorry, me again. Did I miss it, or was Fringy so upset with this film that he didn't mention the Simpsons? I could be wrong. Don't need to read this out; just wanted to say Thanks