For some reason at the 4:30 mark I put that 4200lbs is 1110kg. 4200 lbs is *1905kg. Don't know how I made this mistake especially since I put the correct weight of closer to 2000 kg when comparing a white to an orca. Apologies. Also, again this is just speculation and ideas. Sometimes predation events just fail for a variety of reasons.
it could be a situation where a large pod attacked white sharks in the area, and the younger lesser experienced orca were learning how to kill white sharks and failed. it could if a large pod enters an area to hunt sharks, they could break off into groups, and lesser experienced younger orcas fail until they learn how to succeed.
The reason other sharks leave when a shark has died, is because dead sharks release certain pheromones. It immediately alerts other sharks that theres a possible threat in the area. They're actually trialling it currently as a new shark repellent, and so far its proving to be effective. Certainly against smaller sharks.
@@varanid9that’s probably because sharks are smarter than we give them credit it for, and some sharks have the attitude that they don’t care that other sharks have died in the area, they’re going in 🤷🏼♂️
I thought Orcas strike from below , while another Orca grabs the dorsal fin and flips it over. The Orca holds the Dorsal fin until it goes asleep. Then it's dinner time. 200 pound liver feeds the Orca.
@@eddiethedodgeman6758 the very first attack was actually just one orca killing the great white. It had been first thought that the mother of orca was protecting it's calf when it killed the GW but scientists tracking the orcas soon realized it was a smaller adult orca but witnesses said it stayed out of the fight.
I've seen orcas in real life, in a fjord in Iceland. 50 in total maybe. There were multiple families present, showing up for an unusual large amount of herrings that year. Needless to say not a seal in sight within miles :D Anyway, we went out into the fjord in a small fishing boat, and some scientists on board dropped a mic into the water so all their sounds was amplified in a speaker. Tbh it sounded like they were making fun of us, a lot of giggly and laughing like sounds. I stood at the edge of the boat looking into the abyss, seeing these massive and ghostly white 'shadows' torpedo back and forth under the boat - it was very intimidating but also awesome. The males are huge with 2 meter tall fins on the back. The whole 'feel' was that we were having our 'human event' on the surface and if you flipped the world upside down the orcas was having their event, meeting up having a good time, occasionally looking at us. I'm babbling, good experience :D
Orcas do teach their hunting culture to others in their pod. They practice coordinated hunting attacks depending on the prey they're after. That in itself shows that they think, and are selective on prey species, and what techniques work for what prey. Simply amazing, intelligent mammals!!
I have seen orca chasing following a boat at 35 40 knots for miles! No shark would maintain that speed that endurance for so long! Orca are at the top of the chain so to speak! Truly badass!
The guy who wrote the paper about the South African female, Alessandro De Maddalena, is a personal friend of mine. He's a great shark expert from Italy, and he hosts wonderful expeditions in South Africa (where he lives) and Australia to observe great whites, including biology lectures on sharks. I was in South Africa with him in 2017, just after the first three Orca attacks, and the sharks were being very shy and elusive in the False Bay, we had to move around a bit to be able to spot them. They're also quickly and sadly decreasing in number, not because of the Orcas but illegal fishing and habitat destruction..
SA does not police it’s waters at all. East Asian trawlers work in SA territorial waters with impunity. SA does have a navy todo enforcement but due to affirmative action they cannot operate their vessels.
Wouldn’t it be possible that one of the reasons sharks just don’t dive deep beyond orca’s capabilities is that those depths are not always available where the attacks take place?
I seriously doubt a shark can outswim orcas anyway, with the exception of a mako. So, any attempt to dive to extreme depths would probably easily be thwarted. Also, are sharks savvy enough about their predators to understand what their max depth is?
so before that shark with the orca bite was found scientists thought orcas were successful in EVERY hunt? that’s kind of odd considering i can’t think of a single predator on earth who doesn’t sometimes come from a hunt empty handed. idk why they thought orcas were infallible.
Have you seen them hunt? I'm sure they "knew" a few got away the same way they know they mate. Obviously it has to happen but that doesn't mean we can first hand confirm it.
Orcas are absolute hunting machines, especially when they are in pods. They are one of the few animals that have like an 80-90% hunting success rate in the wild.
@doublewhopper67 lol I tell people not to go in the ocean because there are sharks in there and the funniest thing people say is well if a shark attacks someone it's because they confused them with a seal. I'm sure that every person attacked by a shark chuckle to themselves and think lol this shark thinks I'm a seal.
WOW! This was truly a fantastic video. Gonna search for more by this young man. Well done lad, very educational and very well presented. See you in the next one.
I have such an emotional attachment to deep blue and I hope she lives a very long life. She’s already over 50 so has passed the lower age range for a white shark (40) and hopefully she meets or exceeds the higher end (70)
@@fazoland5528 How is this guy silly? You seem like a toxic orca fan ngl. We all agree that orca wins this fight so you can just get out of here and stop making fun of ppl.
Why is this so surprising? No predator, not even mankind with out hyper advanced technology, has a perfect kill rate. Of course a shark can survive an orca attack. I'm sure a great number of hunts fail for any number of reasons.
One such example of this is the great white shark's prey, the seal. Not every attack is successful, and some seals climb out of the water with appalling bite wounds. Some seals even survive this trauma somehow. So it would be logical to assume some Great White Shark's also sometimes escape in a similar fashion when Orcas wound them.
From a witnessed attack, I recall that it was a single orca charging into a great white at high speed. Not sure if the shark was distracted by the nearby boat and not see the orca but it was clear that the was dead set on taking that shark out. I'm sure after millions of years, a sharks instinct is to flee when it can
I believe that if a Great white shark hears any noise or the voice of an Orca, it retreats as quickly as possible. I am not sure if it was a film by Jacques Cousteau, but they were literally filming from the cage, and there were numerous Great white sharks, and the situation was getting under control when suddenly there was a voice of an Orca, and they all disappeared. A few minutes later, a 6-meter Orca male appeared next to the cage just to say "Hi"!
Yeah but it's likely the white shark mostly wins tho, Sleeper Sharks have been shown to prey off Giant and Colossal Squids and White Sharks are generally bigger and stronger.
@@No.1GodzillaGlazer It depends. Giant squid can prey on great whites as well. The squid rely on camouflage when they hunt. If they see the great white before it attacks them, it can get its tentacles into play and it can beat a white. A squid's beak would slice through sharkskin like a knife through butter. Remember, they give sperm whales a good fight. If the shark gets a surprise attack, it is game over.
After the Orca attack, the tagged sharks off of the Farallon Islands dived very deep with half swimming to Hawaii and half down off the Baja coast - if memory serves me correctly. But yes - they go down as their first move.
One thing to note about orca and larger shark confrontations is that the orca will rarely directly manipulate the shark. Their method can be seen when they hunt whale sharks. What they'll do is hem the sharks, so that they cannot turn to the side. From there, they'll begin manipulating the preys fins. If the shark goes forward long or fast enough, they'll turn over and get into tonic immobility. This method has the advantage of working with physics, instead of fighting against it.
what we saw from from the drone footage is the white shark goes into a defensive movement like when white sharks hunt turtles, the turtles go in circles to avoid the shark on the surface as they are move agile. but this didnt work with orcas hunting white sharks as the white shark will start defensive circular movements showing its back to the orca that is closest to it and the other orca come in and attack in coordinated movement hitting the soft under belly to flip the shark over and then go for the places where the organs are like the liver. as well when rammed by an orca the shark is stunned.
It's like primitive humans hunting dangerous animals. Sure humans would usually take down the prey but not every hunt was a success and in rarer cases, a hunter could get taken out. A porcupine killed a lion. The lion got a quil right through the heart. Sometimes giant squid manage to beat a sperm whale. I'm assuming its the same with sharks/orcs. Sharks can get away about 20% of the time and maybe even get a lucky kill in 1-5% of the time.
@@kyleellis1825 I don't think there's any evidence of squid beating sperm whales. Just that the suckers stick to the skin. My assumption is that if the sperm whale misses, and the squid sticks to the top of the nose or something, the whale is unable to eat it, the squid probably holds on tight until eventually it manages to get off and go in the opposite direction before the whale can circle round and find it again. Man you've made me want to go watch that giant squid footage again when it shows up out of the darkness and tries to attack the lure, before realising it's not actually food and it vanishes
It’s funny. I was watching this video with some friends and everyone was discussing it. Before you came to your conclusions, I just pointed out that sharks can swim down much deeper than the orca. I remember watching shark week and they said great whites like to attack from below. They generally like swimming deeper. I came to the conclusion at the beginning of the video that the sharks weren’t fighting back. They were just swimming down much deeper than the whales could. of course we’re all sitting around having a few drinks and everyone was telling me no the sharks are fighting back. Have to say you broke some hearts and put a big smile on my face when you came to the conclusion I did.
THIS was a REALLY GOOD VIDEO! I am a shark enthusiast. I have self studied and have taken courses on Sharks and Shark habitat, behavior, reproduction so on and so forth since I was 16, I'm now 60. You presented your material in a concisely effective manner. Yes, I hit the subscribe button.
As a bug scientist who really wanted to be a shark scientist. I think you're onto something. Orcas are smart and probably avoid the 20ft sharks mostly because theres plenty of easier target's around. Orca that hunt seals tend to avoid leopard seals for the same reason. Thats not to say they wouldn't try if the opportunity presented itself but they probably wouldnt actively hunt the biggest great whites
What if it's the opposite, what if for a shark to reach 20ft in those waters it is neccessary for them to avoid orcas at all cost, or what if it's both, orcas go for easier kills and the experienced older sharks are even more cautious
@@jansatamme6521 probably a mix of both bit for a shark to reach that size there's going to be a lot of reasons at play from genetics to abundance of prey
@@narukami597 It was my fault, they ran out of places on the marine biology degree at the university I went to. They then said i could do an Environmental Science degree and transfer later but turns out I love Environmental Science and I loved bugs so did my masters in Entemology. Still love marine biology and try to keep up with the latest Science
Reminds me of the Wild Kratts episode on great whites I watched as a kid. They actually had a scene where the shark was chased by orcas, and she escaped by diving deeper. Would also like to add that great whites are known to travel across oceans and literally need to be perpetually moving in order to force water in there gills and breathe. So an orca would definitely need to get close enough to run (or swim actually) the shark down, because the shark is capable of outlasting them in a marathon.
I think it all comes down to mass. A 20-footer is a big girl but compared to an average orca, its much smaller. Being rammed by an orca is gonna devastate any white shark regardless of its natural size.
@@majermike I remember watching a clip of a grey whale and it's calf being set upon by a pod of orcas. They coordinated and separate the mother from and calv and they rammed the calf to death. It was savage but effective.
I 100% agree with all you said about how Sharks survive Orca's attacks. However, you taught me something new, I never thought Orcas could dive over a kilometre deep. That's insane 0_0
@thethinredline4714 I know, they can reach over 2 km, but still not as impressive as the Cuvier Beakwhale, the deepest diving mammal of all time, diving up to almost 3km deep.
This was a really well thought out, well presented and informative video, which immediately led me to subscribe to your channel! Moreover, from a laymen’s perspective, your hypothesis sounds incredibly realistic, so much so, that I’d be surprised if someone hasn’t already considered exploring it, perhaps even as the result of having heard your theory. Albeit, I should add, that as you mentioned, with so many variables, as well as the limited encounters involving sharks large enough to even stand a fighting chance, it might be a long road to any serious conclusion. Furthermore, I feel all but obligated to thank you so much for all of the time, mental energy and effort you must have dedicated to creating this video. Your hard work shines through and only continues to become more and more obvious, as the video progresses! Lastly, please know that from the deep, dark depths of the internet, yet another loyal subscriber has emerged!
Great White Sharks are my favorite animal. I loved them as a kid and it's definitely tough for me to accept that they're not at the top of the food chain. But they're still amazing preditors that are smarter than we all think.
Bullshit. Sharks are not smart. They "think" only with instinct's. They don't even have Warriors mentality, when they Face a larger Predator. Mammals like Orcas, are the Epitome of Sea intelligent and fearless Warriors. Just like LIONS on Land. 🤷
They're on top of the food chain along with the Orcas, Orcas and Great Whites may be responsible for the extinction of the Megalodon by outcompeting them
Sharks won't attack back. They have an amazing sense of smell which makes their snout extremely sensitive. So sensitive infact that scientists just discovered that sharks don't eat the way they thought they did. Sharks dive deep and when they see their preys shadow, they rise quickly and grab it. But they fear the thrashing, so once they've dragged the prey down, they release it. They follow their prey till it bleeds out, and only then do they eat it. Its a long process. So a shark is more likely to swim away from an orca. Its also worth noting that orcas communicate on a different frequency to other marine animals. Or at least go silent before an attack. I doubt the Sharks would recognise the sound even if they did hear it. Which might explain why the Sharks felt anxious around the played sound but didn't immediately retreat. Great video, btw. Enjoyed it a lot 😊
But the attack captured by drone seems to show that the Orca is clever enough to attack in shallow water. The shark does not dive it only seeks to evade.
That's what I was thinking. They probably don't bother hunting white sharks in deep water. I imagine they look for them in shallower areas where escape is more difficult
Over time the Orca will figure out the escape route the shark will take. So in deep water there will already be two Orca coming up to block the sharks escape.
That was a great video. When I saw the title I thought "Well, the only way a shark could surprise an orca is by coming from bellow, since sharks can dive deeper". But even that would be incredibilly hard because orcas also have the "sonar" thing, so they probably can "see" the shark coming from bellow with the "group's sonar combined.
There are blindspots in cetaceans sonars, sharks when hunting dolphins they attack them from the direction of those sonar blindspots, which are from below, above, and behind the dolphin.
Good excuse, but Orca fans state that Great Whites are more scared of Orcas than we are of Great Whites, Hence the Shark shouldn't even come there but it sill came.
@@aryanbarnwal8677 you GW fan biznatches really love huffing copium. Despite the numerous facts shown that your fav fish has been handed L's by Orcas you're still in denial. So comical, so pathetic. 😂😂
Orcas have a HUGE advantage over sharks in the form of communication (being able to audibly communicate with one another for coordination) and echolocation when alone (though typically that's uncommon). Sharks are at a severe disadvantage with no real way to communicate and typically operating alone. It's not impossible to defend against or escape an orca attack, but the odds are heavily stacked against sharks as a whole.
I wouldn't say the odd's are "heavily stacked" against them when it comes to escaping. (defence would not be viable) When we look at land animals we see that in general pack hunters are less successful when hunting prey compared to solely predators. Pack hunting is rarely more then 50% successful and the most successful land pack hunter is a species of hyena at 75% success rate. Assuming that holds true for oceanic predators, 1 out of every 4 white sharks should survive an attack.
@@louiscypher4186 True, but there is also the aspect of intelligence as well, orcas display human like intelligence which enables them to be smarter and more efficient hunters. I'm not saying sharks are dumb by any stretch, but orcas display higher intelligence and also pass on that knowledge to their young. Sharks, from birth, are left completely alone and often eat other sharks or are eaten by other sharks. Essentially, sharks learn the hard way and operate more off ancestral knowledge and instinct. Also, with orcas, it's not a case of a meal to survive as much as it is protection and being territorial. Orcas will openly hunt with their own (as any pack animal will), but like any other pack hunter, they won't share their kill with another type of predator or run the risk of their young being at risk of another predator. This also plays into the evolutionary traits of prey vs predator types, sharks are near the very top of the food chain, they have been bred to be a near perfect apex predator. They weren't bred with the idea of looking out for danger because they ARE the danger, as opposed to prey who have been bred and raised to be alert to the numerous dangers around them, as well as defend themselves. Sharks are merely attackers, their only defense is to attack back. As such, orcas will strike at a shark with stealth, inducing tonic immobility for an easy meal. So, defense or escape is near impossible at that point because tonic immobility for a shark can last for minutes or even hours. Orcas have adapted and learned to be effective shark killers, not so much as a need, but to assure they're less contended in the food chain. Since the liver is the only part of a shark orcas eat, it's more of a delicacy than a necessity, which means they are more a target of convenience rather than being hunted since it's such a small part to go for. But, there's no real way to tell exactly how effective and successful orcas are at killing sharks, as you said, they're oceanic predators and we know more about space than we do our own oceans. All we have as definitive proof of orca on shark predation is washed up shark carcasses missing livers and the occasional clip of orcas attacking a shark. But with the increasing frequency of such happenings, it lends credibility to the fact that orcas are quite effective at taking out sharks.
A pod of orcas could probably take an adult Megalodon if they still existed. Who knows maybe Megalodon went extinct in part to Orcas or their ancestors. Megalodon went extinct about 5 million years ago at the end of the Miocene epoch.
One thing you missed in my opinion, another advantage the Orca has over the shark is they use echolocation, in other words the Orca knows where the shark is even if it gets dark, or if is difficult to see due to visibility.
@@nighttrain0424 White sharks sense electromagnetic fields this allows them to navigate the ocean by following the earths magnetic fields, and electrical currents, they can also sense vibrations in the water, and smell blood from miles away, although very impressive, that helps the shark in closer situations but in my opinion is not the same as echolocation which gives you an overall picture of the whole area, Sperm whales, when they dive hunting for squid their echo is so loud they can see the whole area as if looking down a mountain better than using your eyes because the image comes back into their brain giving a complete picture of miles and miles away, is how they can find squid in such a bast deep ocean
@joeul7 yes but regards a close situation I think it is not an advantage. The shark would be aware of the location of the orcas as much as vice-versa. White sharks rely heavily on that sense, their vision is relatively poor.
As far as senses are conserned, no whale or dolphin can challange a shark Sharks have insanely good senses, you can look then up A shark always knows what's around it, it just doesn't always know how to handle it
@@abobanger9054 It doesn't matter dude, it is not the same to sense something, than to be able to see it, the shark can sense the same way as if you go outside and close your eyes you can sense the traffic, the wind, because of the noise, the wind because of feel, but if you can see the whole street is a whole different thing, that's what echolocation does for them they can see far away and better than seeing because the sound travels in all directions is like seeing behind you, up, down everywhere as far their echo travels in all directions, plus it doesn't matter really because there's evidence that when ever a great white senses an Orca they go into panic mode and they dive a couple thousand feet and swim away at that depth they know they are no match against them, so they never confront Orcas much less a sperm whale, even dolphins have killed sharks, they are immensely smarter than sharks.
putting together clips of animals that were 10 years old and you've seen multiple times in a lot of them can't even pronounce the names of the animals correctly this video was very well put together most of the photography of never seen before and this man's commentary was absolutely extra excellent and very informative I give this one a big thumbs up can't wait for more!
@@wildworld6264 white sharks surviving could have been lesser experienced orca that are younger trying to hunt white sharks and failing before they become successful. i assume if its a big pod entering an area, they dont all go for 1 shark but break off into groups.
@@wildworld6264 also sperm whales have been known to have sharks in their stomach the ones hunted in the 1960's. sperm whales have been seen hunting mako and blue sharks. so i am sure they have also tried to hunt white sharks. sperm whales being less agile, it may be perhaps the shark survived the initial attack and being more agile was able to get away.
Have to say that I greatly respect both. Personally, in my humble opinion these, (and all other life-forms), exist & survive to enhance all on this planet. Best I can say right now. All the best to Y'All who care.
This reminds me of an episode of the PBS Kids show “Wild Kratts” where they were Great White Sharks and when they got attacked by an orca they just swam down deeper to escape.
I FEEL SO HONORED Edit: You mentioned that a great white maybe couldn't know Orcas need air, little nit pick here but at least what I have heard, in a book called "Great White Sharks: The Biology of Carcharodon carcharias" (take it with a grain a salt since I couldn't find any quotes) they said that great whites hunt cetaceans but going behind and beneath to avoid echolocation. Again, take this with a grain of salt Also, one thing I have also learned is that Ingrid Visser (New Zealand marine biologist who specializes on Orcas) has also stated in a documentary that she has noticed that Orcas are pretty cautious when hunting sharks so I don't think Orcas would be playing around with a great white. Like for example a great white was being cornered by a group of Orcas near the Neptune Islands, but what was strange was that the Orcas took a few hours to actually finish the shark off at least from the podcast I heard called "Shark Files Episodes 8: Kingdom of the Dead". One cool thing from that sevengill clip is that the Orca also seems to flinch when the sevengill gapes at it. This is kinda off topic but I feel like the sharks only completely abandon an area if they know an Orca has made a kill on a white shark. I'll list some peaceful interactions between white sharks and Orcas. - This year in Cape Cod there was a group of Orcas that passed by but the sharks didn't leave - New Zealand white sharks and Orcas seem to not have not much conflict for now - In a article called "Where are South Africa’s great white sharks?" they quoted a marine biologist who said "It doesn’t seem to be all Orca pods that have the effect at this stage. So, sometimes we’ve got orca pods that come into an aggregation site, and there’s no change in white shark sightings.” - This January a group of Orcas were seen near the Farallon Islands and there hasn't been any news of Orcas going after white sharks This really puts in the perspective on how rare this event can be since outside of South Africa (cause its mostly Port and Starboard killing sharks), there has only been 2 and maybe 3 predations on white sharks by Orcas known to us. Off topic again but kinda relevant is that there is one article called "Shark attack suspected on killer whale John Coe" where a Orca looks to have some shark bites on them. They did mention there was another group of Orcas which could have caused some of the damage but the bite mark on the tail looks too round to be an Orca bite.
@@silveroseyoutube " they said that great whites hunt cetaceans but going behind and beneath to avoid echolocation. " Most likely to stay out of their visual. I highly doubt white shark can grasp the concept of echolocation "has also stated in a documentary that she has noticed that Orcas are pretty cautious when hunting sharks" The vast majority of the time, most animals in the wild are cautious, as injuries can happen. The Orca's main concern would be their eyes, even from a smaller shark. " This year in Cape Cod there was a group of Orcas that passed by but the sharks didn't leave" I believe the Orca's were spotted 30 miles offshore, far from where the sharks hunt seals along Monomoy Island and the Cape Cod shore. No doubt it's considered rare, but it does happen more frequently than recorded, as fishermen and sailors see more incidents on the water.
@@cds3703 Absolutely. In numbers come security , so it's a no brainer on why they do it. The first recorded kill on video of a white shark by a killer whale was indeed a single kill. CA 2 , a female from the LA pod did kill a white shark in the Farallon Islands with her calf standing back.
Brilliant comprehensive essay, summarising the multitude of documentaries surrounding orca-white shark interaction. Many thanks for this. Would love to see more from you on this subject.
that was my instant thought for white survival: dive, dive dive! It's still possible (despite evolutionary adaptation) for Orca to get the bends, so, diving deep for too long could be damaging for them in other ways, if they had to ascend too quickly because they'd run short of oxygenated blood and air. Great video!
What I loved most about this video is the ENTHUSIASM you give off while your taking, it’s almost infectious. I loved how you spoke speaking with constructive dialogue as if to invite others to challenge you of your ideas not because “ I told you so” but educate me with your challenges. Thanks for sharing Ray K UK 🇬🇧 YNWA.
Good video, your summation was sound based on the "evidence" available. Speculation aside (of which there was much of), solid logical conclusion, based on the available information. I appreciate the video and your thoughts.
I adore Deep Blue as well. There is hope for sharks as big as her, or even bigger….I live in Australia. There was an incident where a dead great white, being at least 6 metres in length itself. Was found off South Stradbroke Island with a huge bite taken out of its side. This bite came from another Great White, it’s bite size being measured as big or even bigger than Deep Blue. The bite had been taken post mortem (after death). So this shark was already dead before being bitten. Scientists theorised that it was an exploratory bite. So this bite from the even larger shark wasn’t due to cannibalism, not a practice that Great Whites normally practice. So the shark responsible was never actually sighted. It’s bite size was enough to send a few shivers down your spine…lol ❤️😂
I hate it when these new wannabe youtubers scrape together a bunch of videos and just run their mouth but you have put together a very nice video a lot of great information that I've never heard before you have a big thumbs-up from me! I will definitely be looking for the next one
The fact that the orcas utilize special techniques to “disarm” the shark in of itself proves that it could indeed fight back if given the chance. It would probably love to take a blubbery bite out of an orca if it could!
Well yeah. A Great White still has a far more effective and lethal bite with the amount of bleeding those serrated teeth can cause. I could see one or 2 good bites threatening the Orca's life.
I would love to see a 1 on 1 battle to see who the real apex predator is. The fact that orcas hunt in packs gives them an obvious advantage. If great whites learned how to hunt in packs could the orcas also be in trouble but unfortunately great whites hunt alone and are extremely territorial so we’ll probably never have these answers
@@demetriusreynolds8178 some orcas roam around alone, especially younger males. the fact none have been preyed on by sharks kinda shows the predation is completely one sided. a few gazelles could kill a lion in theory, but noone would argue gazelles are apex over lions
Also it's entirely possible that the wounds on the shark weren't predation, but Orcas simply driving off a shark that got too close to young or unhealthy pod members.
This is a great theorisation you made. Almost all fish dive downwards when threatened. Great whites can go very deep down and we know they can vertically charge up at great speeds, so it's likely they can do the same in the downwards direction too. No predator has a high success rate so most great whites probably evade capture by orcas. I think they get caught in shallower water when the whales block them off so they can't dive into the darkness as an escape. As for when they actually get confronted, great whites seem pretty slow in normal life and much less mobile/agile than some other sharks. I doubt they are agile fighters. A tiger shark, bull shark or hammerhead can curl round and bite at something holding their tail and apart from tiger sharks, the other species just mentioned look quite nimble - with fast reflexes. But great whites are a bit like basking sharks, in that they move around almost in a trance state, only moving fast in pre-planned hunting maneuvers. So I doubt they can fight when ambushed. If they know they are being attacked and don't get immediately stunned, the great whites probably are very dangerous. So I doubt orcas will 'wage war' with them like they do with whale calves or small sharks. If the ambush is unsuccessful, I suspect they just let it go. These species have evolved together snd orcas breed faster than thr sharks, so one suspects the sharks have coping mechanisms to evade this sort of predation and the orca are not heavily reliant on trying to catch them, unless there's some sort of food shortage. That's my guess on the situation.
For the shark that showed up for the Orca calls, it might be more of the shark being itinerant rather than territorial, meaning it might not recognize the specifics there. Also, if there are several sharks there, if the orcas attack one of them, it leaves them open to be attacked by others...so areas with larger numbers of sharks would mean that it might just push the risk factor for the orcas beyond the level of what they're willing to do
Orcas have been found with a bit of shark marks. However these Orcas have been the ones eating the Sharks and eating the White Sharks as well. The marks could of been from smaller sharks that tried to desperately get away but could not.
@@tomtalker2000 yeah. i was expecting some more visible scars from the Orcas. but that shows you how good they are in invading and avoiding the jaws of the Sharks while the Sharks even the Great White cant invade theirs.
@@kyleellis1825 if they can kill the great white, they can do it to hammer heads. you keep forgetting they work in PODs. also the Tiger Shark, there is a video of it attacking and almost killing a Hammer Head.
For a person with little knowledge as you say you are I think differently you got a good point on alot greatly put together interesting educational Thank you 😊
Really interesting video, thank you! Orcas are just next level. I don't like how they have been labeled "killer" whales by the mass media. That projects human traits onto them.Also I just want to say that you've done something I've never seen in other UA-cams. Not only did you give a shout out to the person who gave you the idea for this video but you also mentioned his channel. This is a really nice gesture, maximum respect!
When a shark is upside down they become catatonic. As long as the Orca has enough bite strength to hold the dorsal fin swims down while the other rolls the shark they can then take their time with the liver surgery. If the fin isn't bitten through they probably roll them pretty quickly.
Many years ago I visited the labs of the Anti Sharks Measures Board in Durban SA. A friend of mine, marine biologist, mentioned that initially they protected the beaches with surface nets but then found out that sharks swim freely near the surface when approaching the beaches but if they sense to be caught between the beach and the nets they instinctively swim near the bottom in direction of the deep sea. It may be an instinct to seek refuge diving deeper.
About 15 year's ago , I watched a similar documentary. They found Alaskan Orcas first doing this kind of hunting. The Orca would swim under the shark , then swimming up and hitting the shark in the stomach then circling around and biting the liver out! The next season after the orca migration, the south American pod of Orca were also now hunting in a similar manner. Guess the hundreth monkey rule in place again , I guess . Good stuff keep it coming !
I saw a documentary where Great Whites disappeared from the area around Seal Island in South Africa after being there for ages. The experts found 2 Orcas in the area called Port and Starboard!! I was writing this comment when you said it!!
Your explanation is a logical one and maybe is a way for a Great White to escape. As You pointed out more research is needed. Thank You for your work. Many times true passion is more valuable then a piece of paper - without the necessary passion. Like it very much💯❤️
In the hit movie "Orca", the star of the movie kills a Great White. That film was just a couple of years after Jaws, and definitely should've been mentioned here.
I don't know how true this is of orcas, but many deep-diving whales spend a while on the surface oxygenating their blood before going deep. If that holds, an orca actively hunting would only get one dive on a shark and that would include exertion at the surface in an initial struggle. That would further support your theory that a shark could escape by going deep, maybe even in water that doesn't exceed the orca's dive depth.
In my opinion, the first thing most (if not all) great whites, large or small; would escape pursuing orcas firstly by swimming as fast as possible away from the threat, and to dive and as fast as possible. Despite, being fish and not even close to the intelligence of an orca. Great whites are quite smart for a fish or even a shark in General and do understand when they can't possibly survive or win a confrontation with the possibly second smartest animal on the planet, even though great whites are brave fighter themselves.
There was a report from a fisherman in the 1990s off San Francisco about witnessing a large great white attacking an estranged young orca. I don't doubt this can happen occasionally.
Thank you for taking your time to put this together was really informative and made for a very interesting watch as a result I've dropped my like and subbed please keep the great content coming. Also could you do your thoughts on the whale that was found in the Amazon rainforest 😊
The bite mark suggests orca caught the shark, as you mentioned. And in horizontal chase once an orca (or a group of orcas) catches a shark, it is most likely game over for the shark. The only way a shark can still avoid orca is in a vertical chase at considerable depth. Thanks for this information. I was really thinking for long time, being attacked by orcas, why don't shark dive vertical, being a fish.
You’re ideas are well thought out and backed up with reasonable evidence to subject you are correct, but like your said a scientist would be most appropriate to interpret the studies. Thank you for sharing my son loves sharks !
A scientist and people with common sense would be appropriate to interpret the evidence shown in this video. He was careful enough to not give-in to a theory. And was smart enough to leave the conversation open.
I’d guess the collapsed dorsal fin happens due to spending more time in shallow water and at the surface in their younger years, and maybe all their life……ie it spends more time out of the water and so grows to one side.
Thank you! I really enjoyed your video I found it fascinating. I was especially curious about their curved dorsal fins and wondered if it was dietary as well. I spent years as a Veterinary Nurse an even back then dogs and cats that were feed purely liver or kidney ended up with Thiamine deficiency and there are some ocean foods that won’t help it either. I was looking into it purely of curiosity as you said both Port and Starboard’s dorsal fins were hanging across instead of upright. Thanks so much again! I really did enjoy the video a lot. ❤
Very interesting theory. Perhaps Great Whites flee in all directions and the one you noted went strait down. We will simply have to wait until we get more info! Thanks for the interesting video!
I love that humongous Great White by the name Deep Blue 💙 hopefully she never has an encounter with orcas, Deep Blue was pregnant in a footage that was made a couple years ago, their birth and baby stages of the Great White still a big mystery.
Yes they are super badass names. Now Deep Blue on the other hand...kinda meh. So if someone were to make this movie, the gws might need a cooler name. Like Whale Slayer or Orca Obliterater!!
The surviving Great White sharks from Orca attacks might have survived for a different reason: The attacks on them may not have been predatory, but defensive and harassing, trying to chase them off and send a message. One could think if a pod of orca had some young calves, and encountered a Great White that hung around just a little too long, that might cue the pod to chase of a potential danger.
It sounds extremely stupid. What's the point of letting a dangerous predator go alive? So that he can get to know you better and prepare for an attack?
For some reason at the 4:30 mark I put that 4200lbs is 1110kg. 4200 lbs is *1905kg. Don't know how I made this mistake especially since I put the correct weight of closer to 2000 kg when comparing a white to an orca. Apologies.
Also, again this is just speculation and ideas. Sometimes predation events just fail for a variety of reasons.
I actually think ur right with ur diving theory!very well done makes absolute sense to me!nice video bro!❤*natty*
it could be a situation where a large pod attacked white sharks in the area, and the younger lesser experienced orca were learning how to kill white sharks and failed. it could if a large pod enters an area to hunt sharks, they could break off into groups, and lesser experienced younger orcas fail until they learn how to succeed.
1110 kg is 2400 lbs maybe?
2.2 lbs per kilo
This was a dumb video
The reason other sharks leave when a shark has died, is because dead sharks release certain pheromones. It immediately alerts other sharks that theres a possible threat in the area. They're actually trialling it currently as a new shark repellent, and so far its proving to be effective. Certainly against smaller sharks.
I read about that decades ago. They're STILL trialing it??
@@varanid9that’s probably because sharks are smarter than we give them credit it for, and some sharks have the attitude that they don’t care that other sharks have died in the area, they’re going in 🤷🏼♂️
I thought Orcas strike from below , while another Orca grabs the dorsal fin and flips it over. The Orca holds the Dorsal fin until it goes asleep. Then it's dinner time. 200 pound liver feeds the Orca.
Absolutely rad 🤯
@@eddiethedodgeman6758 the very first attack was actually just one orca killing the great white.
It had been first thought that the mother of orca was protecting it's calf when it killed the GW but scientists tracking the orcas soon realized it was a smaller adult orca but witnesses said it stayed out of the fight.
An orca pod pushing 40 deep would be a threat to anything in the sea, nevermind sharks 😂
You think Port and Starboard use the old, “Hey, Left Nut”… “Hey, Right Nut”, routine when they pull up on a shark?
What about a pod of 40 blue wales
@@alaricmo😂😂😂
@@pickle9232don’t exist
But what if they do?
I've seen orcas in real life, in a fjord in Iceland. 50 in total maybe. There were multiple families present, showing up for an unusual large amount of herrings that year. Needless to say not a seal in sight within miles :D Anyway, we went out into the fjord in a small fishing boat, and some scientists on board dropped a mic into the water so all their sounds was amplified in a speaker. Tbh it sounded like they were making fun of us, a lot of giggly and laughing like sounds. I stood at the edge of the boat looking into the abyss, seeing these massive and ghostly white 'shadows' torpedo back and forth under the boat - it was very intimidating but also awesome. The males are huge with 2 meter tall fins on the back. The whole 'feel' was that we were having our 'human event' on the surface and if you flipped the world upside down the orcas was having their event, meeting up having a good time, occasionally looking at us. I'm babbling, good experience :D
That was the Orca Jubilee..that's a great show .
Eloquently put!! That experience couldn't have been conveyed ANY better. Felt like I was there with you as I read 😂💭💯.
But seriously imagine... Other life forms cackling and going on about us? Like we do them. This would make prime time tv! 😂.
You are lucky, man.. 👍
What a cool experience
Orcas do teach their hunting culture to others in their pod. They practice coordinated hunting attacks depending on the prey they're after. That in itself shows that they think, and are selective on prey species, and what techniques work for what prey. Simply amazing, intelligent mammals!!
Can picture you swimming with your poddy pod like pod lol
I mean crows and lions do that too
And dolphins, and wolfs, and magpies
@@filipbitala2624 but notgreat whites lol, if great whites fought in groups it would be game over lol
@@bobbythorton7693 great whites are fish, fish dont do that, but birds, mammals, maybe even some lizards do
The fact you gave the guy a shout out for giving you the idea was so sweet and humble of you. Also great video!!!
I have seen orca chasing following a boat at 35 40 knots for miles! No shark would maintain that speed that endurance for so long! Orca are at the top of the chain so to speak! Truly badass!
but sharks have more effective bites.
The guy who wrote the paper about the South African female, Alessandro De Maddalena, is a personal friend of mine. He's a great shark expert from Italy, and he hosts wonderful expeditions in South Africa (where he lives) and Australia to observe great whites, including biology lectures on sharks. I was in South Africa with him in 2017, just after the first three Orca attacks, and the sharks were being very shy and elusive in the False Bay, we had to move around a bit to be able to spot them. They're also quickly and sadly decreasing in number, not because of the Orcas but illegal fishing and habitat destruction..
Ciao, Grazie per l'informazione. Salut dalla California
Ya sure.
SA does not police it’s waters at all. East Asian trawlers work in SA territorial waters with impunity. SA does have a navy todo enforcement but due to affirmative action they cannot operate their vessels.
Whenever anything goes Extinct on Earth it’s a Direct Result of Europeans 💯
@@Wolf-hh4rvoh well that’s life right white people from Europe stole wealth in Africa Asians take fish 🤷🏾♂️
Nice docu, Really well done, and provides actual systematic analysis and great speculation
Wouldn’t it be possible that one of the reasons sharks just don’t dive deep beyond orca’s capabilities is that those depths are not always available where the attacks take place?
Oooo that’s a good point
Interesting point
I seriously doubt a shark can outswim orcas anyway, with the exception of a mako. So, any attempt to dive to extreme depths would probably easily be thwarted. Also, are sharks savvy enough about their predators to understand what their max depth is?
I think that the average ocean depth is something like 3km. GWS rarely go deeper than 600 feet
because there are much more deadly things down there than orcas.
so before that shark with the orca bite was found scientists thought orcas were successful in EVERY hunt? that’s kind of odd considering i can’t think of a single predator on earth who doesn’t sometimes come from a hunt empty handed. idk why they thought orcas were infallible.
Have you seen them hunt? I'm sure they "knew" a few got away the same way they know they mate. Obviously it has to happen but that doesn't mean we can first hand confirm it.
Bet you wouldn't say that to an orca
Orcas are absolute hunting machines, especially when they are in pods. They are one of the few animals that have like an 80-90% hunting success rate in the wild.
Orcas indeed are successful hunters, but they come nowhere near dragonflies and african wild dogs
@doublewhopper67 lol I tell people not to go in the ocean because there are sharks in there and the funniest thing people say is well if a shark attacks someone it's because they confused them with a seal. I'm sure that every person attacked by a shark chuckle to themselves and think lol this shark thinks I'm a seal.
WOW! This was truly a fantastic video. Gonna search for more by this young man. Well done lad, very educational and very well presented. See you in the next one.
I have such an emotional attachment to deep blue and I hope she lives a very long life. She’s already over 50 so has passed the lower age range for a white shark (40) and hopefully she meets or exceeds the higher end (70)
Bro 😂😂😂😂 shut up u sound so damn silly
I don' think you have too worry about her. She's just so massive i don't see them bothering her. Much less anything else. She is quite majestic.
The biggest threat to her is Ocean Ramsey . Putting her in front of the world like this
@@fazoland5528 How is this guy silly? You seem like a toxic orca fan ngl. We all agree that orca wins this fight so you can just get out of here and stop making fun of ppl.
Deep blue has zero emotional attachment for you
Why is this so surprising? No predator, not even mankind with out hyper advanced technology, has a perfect kill rate. Of course a shark can survive an orca attack. I'm sure a great number of hunts fail for any number of reasons.
One such example of this is the great white shark's prey, the seal. Not every attack is successful, and some seals climb out of the water with appalling bite wounds. Some seals even survive this trauma somehow.
So it would be logical to assume some Great White Shark's also sometimes escape in a similar fashion when Orcas wound them.
I like how a dragonfly destroys the largest carnivores on their predatory success rate
A shark can survive an orca attack only because of orca's will.
From a witnessed attack, I recall that it was a single orca charging into a great white at high speed. Not sure if the shark was distracted by the nearby boat and not see the orca but it was clear that the was dead set on taking that shark out. I'm sure after millions of years, a sharks instinct is to flee when it can
@@cds3703 yeah, but they are aliens so...
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I believe that if a Great white shark hears any noise or the voice of an Orca, it retreats as quickly as possible. I am not sure if it was a film by Jacques Cousteau, but they were literally filming from the cage, and there were numerous Great white sharks, and the situation was getting under control when suddenly there was a voice of an Orca, and they all disappeared. A few minutes later, a 6-meter Orca male appeared next to the cage just to say "Hi"!
Scientists did a study and aired it during Shark Week, where the sound of New Zealand Orca essentially scared the New Zealand white sharks.
@@jermaincooper26 This is exactly my point!
Those were bull sharks
@@eyephone07 I'd say bull shark is a bit small for orca to hunt. GW or Tiger or Hammer - perfectly sized )
@@crazyivan2356 There is footage of Orcas hunting a juvenile tiger shark, I don't think bull sharks are too small for them.
also Great White and other sharks have been found to have Colossal Squid and Giant Squid marks/scars. So there are battles between them as well.
If you're a fish, you're always on the menu.
this would be epic biblical battles of a gargantuan magnitude..
Like that asylum movie mega shark vs giant octopus
Yeah but it's likely the white shark mostly wins tho, Sleeper Sharks have been shown to prey off Giant and Colossal Squids and White Sharks are generally bigger and stronger.
@@No.1GodzillaGlazer It depends. Giant squid can prey on great whites as well. The squid rely on camouflage when they hunt. If they see the great white before it attacks them, it can get its tentacles into play and it can beat a white. A squid's beak would slice through sharkskin like a knife through butter. Remember, they give sperm whales a good fight. If the shark gets a surprise attack, it is game over.
I learned about Killer Whales knocking the shit out of sharks from the film Orca (1977).
After the Orca attack, the tagged sharks off of the Farallon Islands dived very deep with half swimming to Hawaii and half down off the Baja coast - if memory serves me correctly. But yes - they go down as their first move.
One thing to note about orca and larger shark confrontations is that the orca will rarely directly manipulate the shark. Their method can be seen when they hunt whale sharks. What they'll do is hem the sharks, so that they cannot turn to the side. From there, they'll begin manipulating the preys fins. If the shark goes forward long or fast enough, they'll turn over and get into tonic immobility. This method has the advantage of working with physics, instead of fighting against it.
Are you suggesting that the sharks fins are not part of the shark?
what we saw from from the drone footage is the white shark goes into a defensive movement like when white sharks hunt turtles, the turtles go in circles to avoid the shark on the surface as they are move agile. but this didnt work with orcas hunting white sharks as the white shark will start defensive circular movements showing its back to the orca that is closest to it and the other orca come in and attack in coordinated movement hitting the soft under belly to flip the shark over and then go for the places where the organs are like the liver. as well when rammed by an orca the shark is stunned.
Orca's also use diversionary tactics. One or two will swim around the shark to distract it whilst the others go in for the kill.
It's like primitive humans hunting dangerous animals. Sure humans would usually take down the prey but not every hunt was a success and in rarer cases, a hunter could get taken out.
A porcupine killed a lion. The lion got a quil right through the heart. Sometimes giant squid manage to beat a sperm whale. I'm assuming its the same with sharks/orcs. Sharks can get away about 20% of the time and maybe even get a lucky kill in 1-5% of the time.
@@kyleellis1825 I don't think there's any evidence of squid beating sperm whales. Just that the suckers stick to the skin. My assumption is that if the sperm whale misses, and the squid sticks to the top of the nose or something, the whale is unable to eat it, the squid probably holds on tight until eventually it manages to get off and go in the opposite direction before the whale can circle round and find it again. Man you've made me want to go watch that giant squid footage again when it shows up out of the darkness and tries to attack the lure, before realising it's not actually food and it vanishes
It’s funny. I was watching this video with some friends and everyone was discussing it. Before you came to your conclusions, I just pointed out that sharks can swim down much deeper than the orca. I remember watching shark week and they said great whites like to attack from below. They generally like swimming deeper. I came to the conclusion at the beginning of the video that the sharks weren’t fighting back. They were just swimming down much deeper than the whales could. of course we’re all sitting around having a few drinks and everyone was telling me no the sharks are fighting back. Have to say you broke some hearts and put a big smile on my face when you came to the conclusion I did.
Although sperm whales also attack sharks. Poor GWS!
THIS was a REALLY GOOD VIDEO! I am a shark enthusiast. I have self studied and have taken courses on Sharks and Shark habitat, behavior, reproduction so on and so forth since I was 16, I'm now 60. You presented your material in a concisely effective manner. Yes, I hit the subscribe button.
You sound like an overly opinionated idiot
Which other animals are you most drawn to besides Sharks?
As a bug scientist who really wanted to be a shark scientist. I think you're onto something. Orcas are smart and probably avoid the 20ft sharks mostly because theres plenty of easier target's around. Orca that hunt seals tend to avoid leopard seals for the same reason. Thats not to say they wouldn't try if the opportunity presented itself but they probably wouldnt actively hunt the biggest great whites
What if it's the opposite, what if for a shark to reach 20ft in those waters it is neccessary for them to avoid orcas at all cost, or what if it's both, orcas go for easier kills and the experienced older sharks are even more cautious
@@jansatamme6521 probably a mix of both bit for a shark to reach that size there's going to be a lot of reasons at play from genetics to abundance of prey
Why couldn't you become a shark scientist?
@@narukami597 It was my fault, they ran out of places on the marine biology degree at the university I went to. They then said i could do an Environmental Science degree and transfer later but turns out I love Environmental Science and I loved bugs so did my masters in Entemology. Still love marine biology and try to keep up with the latest Science
@@phantasmalemperor8887that’s awesome!
Reminds me of the Wild Kratts episode on great whites I watched as a kid. They actually had a scene where the shark was chased by orcas, and she escaped by diving deeper.
Would also like to add that great whites are known to travel across oceans and literally need to be perpetually moving in order to force water in there gills and breathe. So an orca would definitely need to get close enough to run (or swim actually) the shark down, because the shark is capable of outlasting them in a marathon.
I remember that episode 😂😂
Nostalgia came back like crazy, good ol days in 2013-2014 for me lol
@@DeBoto84 lol
I think it all comes down to mass. A 20-footer is a big girl but compared to an average orca, its much smaller. Being rammed by an orca is gonna devastate any white shark regardless of its natural size.
And orcas are about a million times more intelligent and have their mates too
oh you mean we're talkin bout ramrod action? i was thinking more biting
@@majermike I remember watching a clip of a grey whale and it's calf being set upon by a pod of orcas. They coordinated and separate the mother from and calv and they rammed the calf to death. It was savage but effective.
Its like a van hitting you at 35 mph and water resistance instead of air so i would think impact is bigger
@@tonnyberben1770 It mean it was slower and less impactful since there's Resistance the water is resisting against the fast moving animal
I 100% agree with all you said about how Sharks survive Orca's attacks. However, you taught me something new, I never thought Orcas could dive over a kilometre deep. That's insane 0_0
sperm whales can go even deeper , much deeper
@thethinredline4714
I know, they can reach over 2 km, but still not as impressive as the Cuvier Beakwhale, the deepest diving mammal of all time, diving up to almost 3km deep.
@@thethinredline4714that’s what she said
Nature needs to balance the scales somehow
This was a really well thought out, well presented and informative video, which immediately led me to subscribe to your channel! Moreover, from a laymen’s perspective, your hypothesis sounds incredibly realistic, so much so, that I’d be surprised if someone hasn’t already considered exploring it, perhaps even as the result of having heard your theory. Albeit, I should add, that as you mentioned, with so many variables, as well as the limited encounters involving sharks large enough to even stand a fighting chance, it might be a long road to any serious conclusion.
Furthermore, I feel all but obligated to thank you so much for all of the time, mental energy and effort you must have dedicated to creating this video. Your hard work shines through and only continues to become more and more obvious, as the video progresses!
Lastly, please know that from the deep, dark depths of the internet, yet another loyal subscriber has emerged!
Thank you so much. I really, really appreciate it.
@@wildworld6264He is quite right. Your content is excellent, sir. Subscribed.
Great White Sharks are my favorite animal. I loved them as a kid and it's definitely tough for me to accept that they're not at the top of the food chain. But they're still amazing preditors that are smarter than we all think.
Grander sharks are my fav.
Bullshit. Sharks are not smart. They "think" only with instinct's.
They don't even have Warriors mentality, when they Face a larger Predator.
Mammals like Orcas, are the Epitome of Sea intelligent and fearless Warriors.
Just like LIONS on Land. 🤷
They're on top of the food chain along with the Orcas, Orcas and Great Whites may be responsible for the extinction of the Megalodon by outcompeting them
@@justinianthegreat1444 damn thats interesting!
The mako? @@erikturner5073
You are an excellent presenter! What an impressive and thought provoking video. Thank you xx
Sharks won't attack back. They have an amazing sense of smell which makes their snout extremely sensitive. So sensitive infact that scientists just discovered that sharks don't eat the way they thought they did. Sharks dive deep and when they see their preys shadow, they rise quickly and grab it. But they fear the thrashing, so once they've dragged the prey down, they release it. They follow their prey till it bleeds out, and only then do they eat it. Its a long process. So a shark is more likely to swim away from an orca.
Its also worth noting that orcas communicate on a different frequency to other marine animals. Or at least go silent before an attack. I doubt the Sharks would recognise the sound even if they did hear it. Which might explain why the Sharks felt anxious around the played sound but didn't immediately retreat.
Great video, btw. Enjoyed it a lot 😊
Aqua man told my grandpa that orcas and sharks are at war. Really, it’s true.
Is Aqua man related to Aquaman?
@@TheHappyhorusyes 3rd cousin 2 times removed also they sre brothers in law
He should have conducted peace negociations
Orca's fight for their food.
Great Whites fight for their lives.
The Dolphins sit back and wait to see who the winner will be.
I'm so impressed by Port and Starboard, they killed so many sharks and not even a scratch on their bodies. They're simply untouchable.
They're like Lion brothers who hunt together and take big prey down!
because Orcas are very intelligent. And Sharks and one of the easiest prey for Orcas coz they too easy to control.
Send a bunch of whalers and they'll be food too!
It's like they saw their mother killed by a shark and said," It's on site now MF!!!"
The Heavyweight Tag Team Champions of The Sea !
Well done. “Ideas and speculation,” when offered from an obviously intelligent person, can often be useful and even valuable.
But the attack captured by drone seems to show that the Orca is clever enough to attack in shallow water. The shark does not dive it only seeks to evade.
That's what I was thinking. They probably don't bother hunting white sharks in deep water. I imagine they look for them in shallower areas where escape is more difficult
Over time the Orca will figure out the escape route the shark will take. So in deep water there will already be two Orca coming up to block the sharks escape.
Did the orcas tell u that?
@@ken372001us We don't know that yet though. It's only a possibility.
A monster great white 1 on 1 could definitely hold its own but the numbers still make it so hard plus the intellect of orcas is very helpful
That was a great video. When I saw the title I thought "Well, the only way a shark could surprise an orca is by coming from bellow, since sharks can dive deeper". But even that would be incredibilly hard because orcas also have the "sonar" thing, so they probably can "see" the shark coming from bellow with the "group's sonar combined.
There are blindspots in cetaceans sonars, sharks when hunting dolphins they attack them from the direction of those sonar blindspots, which are from below, above, and behind the dolphin.
The big female showed up because they played Orca sounds associated with a whale kill, and the shark was hoping for a free meal.
Good excuse, but Orca fans state that Great Whites are more scared of Orcas than we are of Great Whites, Hence the Shark shouldn't even come there but it sill came.
@@aryanbarnwal8677 Excuse?
@@aryanbarnwal8677Sharks are partly Scavenger yknow. They'll eat whale carcasses if they found it, so this theory would absolutely make sense.
@@aryanbarnwal8677 you GW fan biznatches really love huffing copium. Despite the numerous facts shown that your fav fish has been handed L's by Orcas you're still in denial. So comical, so pathetic. 😂😂
Orcas have a HUGE advantage over sharks in the form of communication (being able to audibly communicate with one another for coordination) and echolocation when alone (though typically that's uncommon). Sharks are at a severe disadvantage with no real way to communicate and typically operating alone. It's not impossible to defend against or escape an orca attack, but the odds are heavily stacked against sharks as a whole.
I wouldn't say the odd's are "heavily stacked" against them when it comes to escaping. (defence would not be viable)
When we look at land animals we see that in general pack hunters are less successful when hunting prey compared to solely predators. Pack hunting is rarely more then 50% successful and the most successful land pack hunter is a species of hyena at 75% success rate.
Assuming that holds true for oceanic predators, 1 out of every 4 white sharks should survive an attack.
@@louiscypher4186 True, but there is also the aspect of intelligence as well, orcas display human like intelligence which enables them to be smarter and more efficient hunters. I'm not saying sharks are dumb by any stretch, but orcas display higher intelligence and also pass on that knowledge to their young. Sharks, from birth, are left completely alone and often eat other sharks or are eaten by other sharks. Essentially, sharks learn the hard way and operate more off ancestral knowledge and instinct.
Also, with orcas, it's not a case of a meal to survive as much as it is protection and being territorial. Orcas will openly hunt with their own (as any pack animal will), but like any other pack hunter, they won't share their kill with another type of predator or run the risk of their young being at risk of another predator.
This also plays into the evolutionary traits of prey vs predator types, sharks are near the very top of the food chain, they have been bred to be a near perfect apex predator. They weren't bred with the idea of looking out for danger because they ARE the danger, as opposed to prey who have been bred and raised to be alert to the numerous dangers around them, as well as defend themselves. Sharks are merely attackers, their only defense is to attack back. As such, orcas will strike at a shark with stealth, inducing tonic immobility for an easy meal. So, defense or escape is near impossible at that point because tonic immobility for a shark can last for minutes or even hours.
Orcas have adapted and learned to be effective shark killers, not so much as a need, but to assure they're less contended in the food chain. Since the liver is the only part of a shark orcas eat, it's more of a delicacy than a necessity, which means they are more a target of convenience rather than being hunted since it's such a small part to go for.
But, there's no real way to tell exactly how effective and successful orcas are at killing sharks, as you said, they're oceanic predators and we know more about space than we do our own oceans. All we have as definitive proof of orca on shark predation is washed up shark carcasses missing livers and the occasional clip of orcas attacking a shark. But with the increasing frequency of such happenings, it lends credibility to the fact that orcas are quite effective at taking out sharks.
A pod of orcas could probably take an adult Megalodon if they still existed. Who knows maybe Megalodon went extinct in part to Orcas or their ancestors. Megalodon went extinct about 5 million years ago at the end of the Miocene epoch.
sharks have a stronger bite than orcas thanks to the serrations on the teeth.
One thing you missed in my opinion, another advantage the Orca has over the shark is they use echolocation, in other words the Orca knows where the shark is even if it gets dark, or if is difficult to see due to visibility.
White sharks sense magnetic fields, they also know where things are in the dark
@@nighttrain0424 White sharks sense electromagnetic fields this allows them to navigate the ocean by following the earths magnetic fields, and electrical currents, they can also sense vibrations in the water, and smell blood from miles away, although very impressive, that helps the shark in closer situations but in my opinion is not the same as echolocation which gives you an overall picture of the whole area, Sperm whales, when they dive hunting for squid their echo is so loud they can see the whole area as if looking down a mountain better than using your eyes because the image comes back into their brain giving a complete picture of miles and miles away, is how they can find squid in such a bast deep ocean
@joeul7 yes but regards a close situation I think it is not an advantage. The shark would be aware of the location of the orcas as much as vice-versa. White sharks rely heavily on that sense, their vision is relatively poor.
As far as senses are conserned, no whale or dolphin can challange a shark
Sharks have insanely good senses, you can look then up
A shark always knows what's around it, it just doesn't always know how to handle it
@@abobanger9054 It doesn't matter dude, it is not the same to sense something, than to be able to see it, the shark can sense the same way as if you go outside and close your eyes you can sense the traffic, the wind, because of the noise, the wind because of feel, but if you can see the whole street is a whole different thing, that's what echolocation does for them they can see far away and better than seeing because the sound travels in all directions is like seeing behind you, up, down everywhere as far their echo travels in all directions, plus it doesn't matter really because there's evidence that when ever a great white senses an Orca they go into panic mode and they dive a couple thousand feet and swim away at that depth they know they are no match against them, so they never confront Orcas much less a sperm whale, even dolphins have killed sharks, they are immensely smarter than sharks.
putting together clips of animals that were 10 years old and you've seen multiple times in a lot of them can't even pronounce the names of the animals correctly this video was very well put together most of the photography of never seen before and this man's commentary was absolutely extra excellent and very informative I give this one a big thumbs up can't wait for more!
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@@wildworld6264 white sharks surviving could have been lesser experienced orca that are younger trying to hunt white sharks and failing before they become successful. i assume if its a big pod entering an area, they dont all go for 1 shark but break off into groups.
@@wildworld6264 also sperm whales have been known to have sharks in their stomach the ones hunted in the 1960's. sperm whales have been seen hunting mako and blue sharks. so i am sure they have also tried to hunt white sharks. sperm whales being less agile, it may be perhaps the shark survived the initial attack and being more agile was able to get away.
bruh, I love how they named the Orca bros Port and Starboard just because of their fins drooping in different direction.
Have to say that I greatly respect both. Personally, in my humble opinion these, (and all other life-forms), exist & survive to enhance all on this planet. Best I can say right now. All the best to Y'All who care.
So fascinating. Well done and thank you. I hope you continue making educational videos
This reminds me of an episode of the PBS Kids show “Wild Kratts” where they were Great White Sharks and when they got attacked by an orca they just swam down deeper to escape.
There was also an episode about an orca that eats sharks
@@canonbehenna612 Yea I’ve seen that episode too.
Yeh that all made good plausible sense, haha love the names Port and Starboard lol.
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Edit: You mentioned that a great white maybe couldn't know Orcas need air, little nit pick here but at least what I have heard, in a book called "Great White Sharks: The Biology of Carcharodon carcharias" (take it with a grain a salt since I couldn't find any quotes) they said that great whites hunt cetaceans but going behind and beneath to avoid echolocation. Again, take this with a grain of salt
Also, one thing I have also learned is that Ingrid Visser (New Zealand marine biologist who specializes on Orcas) has also stated in a documentary that she has noticed that Orcas are pretty cautious when hunting sharks so I don't think Orcas would be playing around with a great white. Like for example a great white was being cornered by a group of Orcas near the Neptune Islands, but what was strange was that the Orcas took a few hours to actually finish the shark off at least from the podcast I heard called "Shark Files Episodes 8: Kingdom of the Dead". One cool thing from that sevengill clip is that the Orca also seems to flinch when the sevengill gapes at it.
This is kinda off topic but I feel like the sharks only completely abandon an area if they know an Orca has made a kill on a white shark. I'll list some peaceful interactions between white sharks and Orcas.
- This year in Cape Cod there was a group of Orcas that passed by but the sharks didn't leave
- New Zealand white sharks and Orcas seem to not have not much conflict for now
- In a article called "Where are South Africa’s great white sharks?" they quoted a marine biologist who said "It doesn’t seem to be all Orca pods that have the effect at this stage. So, sometimes we’ve got orca pods that come into an aggregation site, and there’s no change in white shark sightings.”
- This January a group of Orcas were seen near the Farallon Islands and there hasn't been any news of Orcas going after white sharks
This really puts in the perspective on how rare this event can be since outside of South Africa (cause its mostly Port and Starboard killing sharks), there has only been 2 and maybe 3 predations on white sharks by Orcas known to us.
Off topic again but kinda relevant is that there is one article called "Shark attack suspected on killer whale John Coe" where a Orca looks to have some shark bites on them. They did mention there was another group of Orcas which could have caused some of the damage but the bite mark on the tail looks too round to be an Orca bite.
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" they said that great whites hunt cetaceans but going behind and beneath to avoid echolocation. "
Most likely to stay out of their visual. I highly doubt white shark can grasp the concept of echolocation
"has also stated in a documentary that she has noticed that Orcas are pretty cautious when hunting sharks"
The vast majority of the time, most animals in the wild are cautious, as injuries can happen. The Orca's main concern would be their eyes, even from a smaller shark.
" This year in Cape Cod there was a group of Orcas that passed by but the sharks didn't leave"
I believe the Orca's were spotted 30 miles offshore, far from where the sharks hunt seals along Monomoy Island and the Cape Cod shore.
No doubt it's considered rare, but it does happen more frequently than recorded, as fishermen and sailors see more incidents on the water.
Hey question guys, do you guys think Orcas would be impressive hunters without their pods?
@@cds3703 most certainly
@@cds3703 Absolutely.
In numbers come security , so it's a no brainer on why they do it.
The first recorded kill on video of a white shark by a killer whale was indeed a single kill.
CA 2 , a female from the LA pod did kill a white shark in the Farallon Islands with her calf standing back.
Brilliant comprehensive essay, summarising the multitude of documentaries surrounding orca-white shark interaction. Many thanks for this. Would love to see more from you on this subject.
i think ur theory about the gws diving to escape is really onto it.....i never thought about that. really cool wee doco, thanks
that was my instant thought for white survival: dive, dive dive! It's still possible (despite evolutionary adaptation) for Orca to get the bends, so, diving deep for too long could be damaging for them in other ways, if they had to ascend too quickly because they'd run short of oxygenated blood and air. Great video!
What I loved most about this video is the ENTHUSIASM you give off while your taking, it’s almost infectious. I loved how you spoke speaking with constructive dialogue as if to invite others to challenge you of your ideas not because “ I told you so” but educate me with your challenges. Thanks for sharing Ray K UK 🇬🇧 YNWA.
Good video, your summation was sound based on the "evidence" available. Speculation aside (of which there was much of), solid logical conclusion, based on the available information. I appreciate the video and your thoughts.
I love the idea of watching animal drama news with animal celebrities like Port and Starboard. Great video!
Port and Starboard are total menaces and have become real celebrities, haven't they?
I adore Deep Blue as well. There is hope for sharks as big as her, or even bigger….I live in Australia. There was an incident where a dead great white, being at least 6 metres in length itself. Was found off South Stradbroke Island with a huge bite taken out of its side. This bite came from another Great White, it’s bite size being measured as big or even bigger than Deep Blue. The bite had been taken post mortem (after death). So this shark was already dead before being bitten. Scientists theorised that it was an exploratory bite. So this bite from the even larger shark wasn’t due to cannibalism, not a practice that Great Whites normally practice. So the shark responsible was never actually sighted. It’s bite size was enough to send a few shivers down your spine…lol ❤️😂
I’ve seen a video about a great white named submarine. I heard he’s bigger than Deep blue which is fascinating and down right scary.
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I hate it when these new wannabe youtubers scrape together a bunch of videos and just run their mouth but you have put together a very nice video a lot of great information that I've never heard before you have a big thumbs-up from me! I will definitely be looking for the next one
The fact that the orcas utilize special techniques to “disarm” the shark in of itself proves that it could indeed fight back if given the chance. It would probably love to take a blubbery bite out of an orca if it could!
Well yeah. A Great White still has a far more effective and lethal bite with the amount of bleeding those serrated teeth can cause. I could see one or 2 good bites threatening the Orca's life.
I would love to see a 1 on 1 battle to see who the real apex predator is. The fact that orcas hunt in packs gives them an obvious advantage. If great whites learned how to hunt in packs could the orcas also be in trouble but unfortunately great whites hunt alone and are extremely territorial so we’ll probably never have these answers
@@demetriusreynolds8178 "unfortunately great whites hunt alone"???? Thank god they dont!!!!
I bet if a Orca cornered a big Great White the great White can do damage. Great Whites learn to adapt and in time can fight back.
@@demetriusreynolds8178 some orcas roam around alone, especially younger males. the fact none have been preyed on by sharks kinda shows the predation is completely one sided. a few gazelles could kill a lion in theory, but noone would argue gazelles are apex over lions
Do a video about interactions between saltwater crocs and sharks or maybe even fresh water crocs and bull sharks 🤷🏻♂️ I feel like it would be cool
Also it's entirely possible that the wounds on the shark weren't predation, but Orcas simply driving off a shark that got too close to young or unhealthy pod members.
This is a great theorisation you made.
Almost all fish dive downwards when threatened. Great whites can go very deep down and we know they can vertically charge up at great speeds, so it's likely they can do the same in the downwards direction too.
No predator has a high success rate so most great whites probably evade capture by orcas. I think they get caught in shallower water when the whales block them off so they can't dive into the darkness as an escape.
As for when they actually get confronted, great whites seem pretty slow in normal life and much less mobile/agile than some other sharks. I doubt they are agile fighters. A tiger shark, bull shark or hammerhead can curl round and bite at something holding their tail and apart from tiger sharks, the other species just mentioned look quite nimble - with fast reflexes. But great whites are a bit like basking sharks, in that they move around almost in a trance state, only moving fast in pre-planned hunting maneuvers. So I doubt they can fight when ambushed.
If they know they are being attacked and don't get immediately stunned, the great whites probably are very dangerous. So I doubt orcas will 'wage war' with them like they do with whale calves or small sharks. If the ambush is unsuccessful, I suspect they just let it go. These species have evolved together snd orcas breed faster than thr sharks, so one suspects the sharks have coping mechanisms to evade this sort of predation and the orca are not heavily reliant on trying to catch them, unless there's some sort of food shortage.
That's my guess on the situation.
one time i saw a 20+ foot white tail walk for one hundred yards after swallowing a sea lion whole.
man, the sharks really just need to watch these tips!
For the shark that showed up for the Orca calls, it might be more of the shark being itinerant rather than territorial, meaning it might not recognize the specifics there.
Also, if there are several sharks there, if the orcas attack one of them, it leaves them open to be attacked by others...so areas with larger numbers of sharks would mean that it might just push the risk factor for the orcas beyond the level of what they're willing to do
Orcas have been found with a bit of shark marks. However these Orcas have been the ones eating the Sharks and eating the White Sharks as well. The marks could of been from smaller sharks that tried to desperately get away but could not.
Not only that but if their was evidence of white shark bites. They'd be taking CHUNKS out with how powerful there serrated teeth and jaws are.
@@tomtalker2000 yeah. i was expecting some more visible scars from the Orcas. but that shows you how good they are in invading and avoiding the jaws of the Sharks while the Sharks even the Great White cant invade theirs.
Cookiecutter sharks. They take chunks of every oceanic creature, even Orcas and Great White Sharks.
@@Danny-mg1hu I'd love to see orcas try to do this to hammerheads.
@@kyleellis1825 if they can kill the great white, they can do it to hammer heads. you keep forgetting they work in PODs. also the Tiger Shark, there is a video of it attacking and almost killing a Hammer Head.
its also crazy to know that your safer in the water with 20 orca vs 1 great white
Amazing !
not sure about that these days with them attacking vessels and such...js
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@@robertcozart3570good point, I think some of their communities are done with people.
Very good article. Sharks not so weak as many people thought comparing them with orcas.
Awesome video ! Keep it up !
I agree with your theories in this video.
For a person with little knowledge as you say you are I think differently you got a good point on alot greatly put together interesting educational Thank you 😊
Really interesting video, thank you! Orcas are just next level. I don't like how they have been labeled "killer" whales by the mass media. That projects human traits onto them.Also I just want to say that you've done something I've never seen in other UA-cams. Not only did you give a shout out to the person who gave you the idea for this video but you also mentioned his channel. This is a really nice gesture, maximum respect!
When a shark is upside down they become catatonic. As long as the Orca has enough bite strength to hold the dorsal fin swims down while the other rolls the shark they can then take their time with the liver surgery. If the fin isn't bitten through they probably roll them pretty quickly.
Many years ago I visited the labs of the Anti Sharks Measures Board in Durban SA. A friend of mine, marine biologist, mentioned that initially they protected the beaches with surface nets but then found out that sharks swim freely near the surface when approaching the beaches but if they sense to be caught between the beach and the nets they instinctively swim near the bottom in direction of the deep sea. It may be an instinct to seek refuge diving deeper.
what does the anti shark measures board do?
@@idorus they maintain the nets and systems in some parts of South Africa to try and keep sharks away from public beaches
excellent documentary! very soothing voice.
About 15 year's ago , I watched a similar documentary. They found Alaskan Orcas first doing this kind of hunting. The Orca would swim under the shark , then swimming up and hitting the shark in the stomach then circling around and biting the liver out! The next season after the orca migration, the south American pod of Orca were also now hunting in a similar manner. Guess the hundreth monkey rule in place again , I guess . Good stuff keep it coming !
I saw a documentary where Great Whites disappeared from the area around Seal Island in South Africa after being there for ages. The experts found 2 Orcas in the area called Port and Starboard!! I was writing this comment when you said it!!
@@grahamanderson4928 no idea what you're cackling about. I wouldn't mind his money though...
There's the proof that there are probably thousands of port and starboard out there in every ocean.
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Your explanation is a logical one and maybe is a way for a Great White to escape. As You pointed out more research is needed.
Thank You for your work. Many times true passion is more valuable then a piece of paper - without the necessary passion.
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In the hit movie "Orca", the star of the movie kills a Great White.
That film was just a couple of years after Jaws, and definitely should've been mentioned here.
Well this was pretty interesting and informative. Some of us love things and are casuals and some are extremely dedicated and talented professionals.
What a great video. I really enjoyed this one as the subject matter is something I've thought about a lot and I tend to stay away from 'Shark Week '.
Yes, shark week is garbage.
This was great, good video man!
Your view, analyses and hypotheses on the matter are very intelligent and well put together. I agree totally!
Thank you but we'll tell you to just beat it dork.
All great breakthroughs come from an idea, first Good job I quite liked the video, subscribed 🎉
Awesome, thank you!
@@wildworld6264 my pleasure 🍀
I don't know how true this is of orcas, but many deep-diving whales spend a while on the surface oxygenating their blood before going deep. If that holds, an orca actively hunting would only get one dive on a shark and that would include exertion at the surface in an initial struggle. That would further support your theory that a shark could escape by going deep, maybe even in water that doesn't exceed the orca's dive depth.
In my opinion, the first thing most (if not all) great whites, large or small; would escape pursuing orcas firstly by swimming as fast as possible away from the threat, and to dive and as fast as possible. Despite, being fish and not even close to the intelligence of an orca. Great whites are quite smart for a fish or even a shark in General and do understand when they can't possibly survive or win a confrontation with the possibly second smartest animal on the planet, even though great whites are brave fighter themselves.
Other great apes are definitely smarter than orcas
There was a report from a fisherman in the 1990s off San Francisco about witnessing a large great white attacking an estranged young orca. I don't doubt this can happen occasionally.
Thank you for taking your time to put this together was really informative and made for a very interesting watch as a result I've dropped my like and subbed please keep the great content coming. Also could you do your thoughts on the whale that was found in the Amazon rainforest 😊
The bite mark suggests orca caught the shark, as you mentioned. And in horizontal chase once an orca (or a group of orcas) catches a shark, it is most likely game over for the shark. The only way a shark can still avoid orca is in a vertical chase at considerable depth. Thanks for this information. I was really thinking for long time, being attacked by orcas, why don't shark dive vertical, being a fish.
Love the Ender's Game reference, well done
You’re ideas are well thought out and backed up with reasonable evidence to subject you are correct, but like your said a scientist would be most appropriate to interpret the studies. Thank you for sharing my son loves sharks !
A scientist and people with common sense would be appropriate to interpret the evidence shown in this video. He was careful enough to not give-in to a theory. And was smart enough to leave the conversation open.
@@rickyricardo2006 agree but unfortunately common sense isn’t so common
I’d guess the collapsed dorsal fin happens due to spending more time in shallow water and at the surface in their younger years, and maybe all their life……ie it spends more time out of the water and so grows to one side.
Great video, very informative. Keep them coming
I remember reading somewhere of a large tiger shark or sharks attacking and killing a killer whale/orca...
maybe a baby lol
Maybe a paralyzed one , but orcas are in pods together.
Thank you! I really enjoyed your video I found it fascinating. I was especially curious about their curved dorsal fins and wondered if it was dietary as well.
I spent years as a Veterinary Nurse an
even back then dogs and cats that were feed purely liver or kidney ended up with Thiamine deficiency and there are some ocean foods that won’t help it either. I was looking into it purely of curiosity as you said both Port and Starboard’s dorsal fins were hanging across instead of upright.
Thanks so much again! I really did enjoy the video a lot. ❤
Thank you so much for your comment
Very interesting theory. Perhaps Great Whites flee in all directions and the one you noted went strait down. We will simply have to wait until we get more info! Thanks for the interesting video!
I love that humongous Great White by the name Deep Blue 💙 hopefully she never has an encounter with orcas, Deep Blue was pregnant in a footage that was made a couple years ago, their birth and baby stages of the Great White still a big mystery.
Just wanna point out Port and Starboard are some badass names. Makes them sound like characters from a cheesy 80’s action movie.
Yes they are super badass names. Now Deep Blue on the other hand...kinda meh. So if someone were to make this movie, the gws might need a cooler name. Like Whale Slayer or Orca Obliterater!!
Very fascinating. Great video
I wonder if Port and Starboard are brothers.
Yes.
There was an orca with a huge chunk missing from its face. Presumably it came from an ecnounter with a great white.
I'd love to know more about this. Source?
What's the source. Am vey interested in what you just told us.
It came from a propeller from a large boat.
Great show!
The surviving Great White sharks from Orca attacks might have survived for a different reason: The attacks on them may not have been predatory, but defensive and harassing, trying to chase them off and send a message. One could think if a pod of orca had some young calves, and encountered a Great White that hung around just a little too long, that might cue the pod to chase of a potential danger.
It sounds extremely stupid. What's the point of letting a dangerous predator go alive? So that he can get to know you better and prepare for an attack?
Ultimate mammal vs fish..... Most amazing, nature beats any movie everytime