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Would like to point out that humpbacks regularly interrupt orca hunts, even if they aren't hunting another humpback. This is thought to be protective instincts or even trauma indused as humpbacks remember being hunted as calves and took it personally. They may not have teeth, but their sheer size is actually a weapon, even in water. Not to mention, their flippers tend to be laced with barnacles, which basically gives them brass knuckles.
There was a video on youtube about orca in the north atlantic. the orca had corralled a bait ball, but before the orca started feeding a humpback swam up from the bottom and swallowed a good chunk of the bait ball. it let the orca do the hard work, then it swooped in to steal their food.
Wdym, sperm whales do have teeth and big too,blue whales are more massive but fortunately fhey dont have teeth or they would have been unbeatable kings or too unfair to nature balance
@@charlesmartin1121 Some do, sure, but I'm seeing more and more that people don't do that. That we really are wolves to each other. Maybe it's just Finland and where I live, but this is what I'm seeing and I call it as I see it.
I'm not sure we can attribute it to selfless sacrifice. We all have to be cautious about over personification. Ultimately, selection pressure will end up with the ones using the most effective tactics being more likely to reproduce, so it needs no more than simple automatic response. The sperm whales might not know or understand why they're doing what they're doing. They could only know the small thing that is most compelling from one moment to the next. Could be maybe they were related. Or maybe some sort of alliance, like NATO. Or maybe "safety in numbers" works so well that it's the best strategy, for themselves personally, to join the others in defense. If the orca abort their attack on the first small pod then who's to say they won't turn their attention to YOUR small pod? Maybe all they understand is "hey, come check out this interesting thing!" and then when the second pod gets there they realize it's an orca attack, so then don't really have the option of running away.
Probably, the more experience adult bull sperm whales would, as the articles say harass orcas, most cases were probably young bulls and it's like elephants young bulls are afraid of lions but the larger and more experience bull elephants would challenge lions. Hmmm very similar to each other.
indeed, and similarly to elephants there have been a lot of cases of exceptionally large sperm whale bulls... up to 73 ft and probably around 80 tonnes... these would indeed be waaaay too strong for any killer whale.... but none of these have been proved so far, but for elephants the record for a male african elephant is at 13 tonnes, while most are "only" 6-8 tonnes!
@@roelantverhoeven371 Oh yes, I remember reading up bull sperm whales reaching 22 meters, though very rare that they reach that size cause they lived a long life so you could call them really experience bulls, how you can tell is by the battle scars not just by giant or colossal squad but other sperm whales showing how old they are, like bull elephants biggest the tusk the older and more experience they have. Real titans of the sea I tell you.
True, we know hands down a bull sperm whale will beat a ocra one on one if Orcas are afraid of bull sperm whales then this is probably base on Moby Dick
I just find the level of empathy the whales have for each other amazing. To where instead of fleeing themselves they went on to form a group that was growing in size to defend the others. It’s honestly amazing to me
it's only surprising if you underestimate the intelligence of whales, especially the sperm whale.. these animals might have the most complex language structure of any species besides humans
I remember learning that Humpback whales hold their own pretty well against Orcas, their huge flippers provide them with a defensive weapon other whales don't have. In the same article it mentioned how humpback whales have been observed going out of their way just to ruin an Orca hunt. Can you make a video about this? I'm loving these whale videos ❤
I remember watching a documentary and they had video evidence of this. The Orcas were hunting a smaller whale (a pilot whale iirc) her calf. The humpback whales heard the drama and swam directly to the hunt and started attacking the orca very aggressively.
They fear pilot whales because the pilot whales travel in very large groups. They're also very fast and aggressive when threatened. I remember seeing a group of scientists showing a pod of orcas that came within "audible" distance of them and they quickly swam away when they realized what was coming at them. It's like a black gang seeing a larger gang of Mexicans. 😂
But are we talking about fish-specialists Killer dolphin whales that aren't mammal killers, or are they actually challenging mammal-specialists Killer dolphin whales
Thank you so much for translating metric into imperial on top of everything else lmao. I appreciate the size differences in metric but it's a nice extra step.
The way I see it, as far as bull sperm whales go, they may have the ability to deter sperm whales, but it's a matter of is it worth it to fight them and potentially get hurt? Or is it better to go deep and group up with others for a better chance. Same with orcas. They target the females and the young because they put up less of a fight. It's all about trade offs and options on the table. Pride is not animal trait. Living to fight another day is. Great quality video as always pal.
Humans are animals. Humans are prideful. Pride is an animal trait. We do not know what these whales are thinking or feeling. It is arrogant and ignorant to dismiss their ability to experience thoughts and emotions we attribute to humans.
@@p5eudo883 But who says they are not wise guardians knowing so much more than we can even imagine? They live far longer than we do and know so much about pretty much everything. BTW humans are not animals just fallen from grace and behave like animals. Just like whales, humans are guardians of the planet as well. only forgot who they truly are.
@@tyroneabital469 Yes, humans are animals. We are primates. Based on your use of "fallen from grace", I lean toward you being religious. Religions have done a remarkable job of perpetuating ignorance and idiotic ideas. One of which is the idea that humans and non-human animals are somehow isolated from each other. Let me be clear. Humans are animals. And some book of fairy tales that claims otherwise is something anyone with respectable critical thinking skills is going to recognize as false.
Nowerdays there's a lot of proof showing bull humpback whales and pods of pilot whales going after pods of orcas and the orcas fleeing for their lives. No bullies like to be challenged
@@wildworld6264Recently theres been a new species of killer whales 49 of them that have been reported hunting sperm whales off the coast if California in the open ocean and killed a full grown female sperm whale. This new species of orca are hyper aggressive compared to other species
Sperm whales have really weak bites, and there's not a whole lot they can do to damage an Orca other than ramming them or slapping them with their tails.
Because the orcas are after the called. Spendings energy to chase off orca is energy wanted if another orca slips past and nabs a calf. They also don’t want to exhaust the calves
Sperm whales only have teeth in their lower jaw, and feed primarily via suction, not biting. Not saying they couldn't bite an orca but it probably isn't their first instinct.
I think Orca are just generally much better at coordinating their attacks than the Sperm Whales are. Sperm whales are great hunters, but based on their behavior, it seems that even they’re aware that they can’t compete with the overpowered tactics of Orca.
It's because spearm whale versus a orca the sperm whale would win.... it takes a pod of orcas just to attempt to take a calf/ small female sperm whale, while an adult male sperm whale would frighten a pod of orcas...
GW : 4000 lbs Orca : 12 000 lbs. This is like being surprised the super heavy weight champion of the world is able to defeat the Flyweight champion of the world.
Even if the match was equal Orca will still easily be able to kill a GW. Orca pods would probably pursue Megalodon if it was still extant. Why? Sharks are not mammals. They're fish. Besides the obvious gigantic intelligence gap, there's the aggressiveness factor. Mammals are very aggressive and like to fight even if they're not feeding. Fish aren't that way at all. Sharks don't put up a fight against Orca. It takes a couple of minutes for a single Orca to kill a GW. It would take a few minutes more to kill a hypothetical GW the size of an Orca because of the lack of fight in the animal. They have the weapons but don't use them.
Deification while in rosette formation was not my first guess but seems like a very effective defensive strategy. The fact that sperm whales are carnivorous probably increases the effectiveness of the strategy exponentially.
For all the power sperm whales seem to possess with their hypersonic clicking, it’s a damn shame that even they don’t seem to realize how much damage they could do against potential predators like orca.
I'm speculating, but it seems to me the bull vs. orca scenario is analogous to single male lion vs. a group of hyenas. One or two hyenas wouldn't in their right mind go after the lion unless they're starving and desperate. Meanwhile, the lion is leery of engaging too much because he's aware they may have greater numbers that can wear him down. My guess is even bull sperms know that Orcas typically hunt in packs and prefer having superior numbers. The bull is alone, and they're SMART animals--so no, they're not gonna just charge into what is likely a group of orcas looking for a fight--they could easily find themselves outnumbered 10 to 1. Most of this makes sense to me.
It’s fun to just make up fantasies in our heads with no data and no knowledge. If it makes “sense” to you guys then just keep living your truth and share it with others who are like-minded. It’s even more fun when you’re comparing two completely and utterly disparate species AND then translating that through your personal human mindset. That’s extra special.
While that’s true the difference in weight between a bull sperm whale and an orca is bigger than between male lions and hyenas. With his sound attack he also has an ranged option and can possibly stun his enemies and hit multiple of them at a time.
@@daniels7717 this isnt a video game, buddy. Most animals with common sense aren't going to pick a fight and they damn sure dont swim around being animals planning in their head for when that day comes. And also weight doesnt matter in the water thats exactly why they can get so big out there. Unless you're a scrawny human that can get easily winded or a boat. Maybe a tail slap can briefly stun one orca if its timed correctly and on its mark. Then what? There still atleast a couple more orcas that they'd have to worry about.
@@AJLikesGamesAlotthe thing is everything changes when your the one being attacked If the bull sperm whale is doing the attacking There’s a 0% chance a orca will actively fight using attacks That’s completely suicidal and there own intelligence of that actually hurts them here Like herds of buffalo can easily take on a couple lions but they almost never will because that’s just what happens when your the one being attacked.
Another case that I saw on Y/T but now I can't find it for anything; Wildlife film makers came across a 'mixed' pod of Sperm whales being harassed by Orcas; the film makers got into their zodiac inflatable and tried to get close. Long story short, the Male sperm whales formed a sort of 'skirmish line' while the rest of the pod swam ahead. The Zodiac took a position near the flank of the 'line'; The orcas were VERY agitated as the made a mock charge towards the line. They even got VERY close to the Zodiac, but before any contact was made, the Orcas veered away from the film makers. They opined that the Orcas were upset that 'humans' got mixed up in the whale fight but then realized that the humans were not actually involved, so they proceeded to ignore them. Naturally I have no idea what happened next, except perhaps the film makers 'got the heck out of there' at the earliest opportunity.
I've been interested in orca since I was very young. They are truly the wolves of the sea in the same token that a lone wolf or even two or three would not be much of a match for a bull bison it seems that the orca pods that hunt sperm whale play by a lot of the same rules. Also, the defense techniques the sperm whales use could absolutely vary depending on the family group in the same way that different family groups of orca hunt different prey and use different tactics depending on geographical origin. Great video as usual.
You notice he said 4 swam away from the sound. So one swam towards the orca or didn't change course knowing that his on his own and orca are never on their own. This is the silver back gorilla of sperm whales.
That’s because it’s a number game. It’s like a large group of hyenas chasing of a small group of lions. Humpback whales are also known to chase orcas as well.
I've been rereading the classics lately, Moby Dick and 20k Leagues Under the Sea specifically. There is a pretty horrific scene in chapter 12 (part 2) where Captain Nemo destroyed a pod of Cachalots just as they were attacking a pod of a more harmless species of southern whales, which ironically he would not allow Ned Land to hunt. He then deemed the Cachalots a vicious nuisance worthy of being exterminated. The narrator goes on to describe the anatomy of the Cachalots as being an evolutionary mistake and more tadpole than fish. Earlier in the chapter though they discuss how long whales live. It is mentioned that back in the early days of whaling they were much much bigger than now (at the time the book was written) allowed to grow to their old age. It's possible that Moby Dick was simply an incredibly old and wily whale. I had only just read this chapter today, so imagine my excitement when i saw this video in my feed. Thank you for making it.
The Orcas are smart enough to be opportunistic when attacking something as big as a Sperm Whale. It really comes down to pack hunting tactics with Orcas - usually targeting the old, weak, or young. The interesting thing is they are attacking another apex predator that also lives in pods and only some groups of Orca do this at all. Unlike a lone grizzly bear against a wolf pack, the Sperm Whales could flip the script with a learned behavior change and attack Orca as large pods rather than just defend. In general it seems like a risky match up for either group and targeting easier prey is a better tactic, unless truly desperate. We also have very limited data on it, it’s hard to know anything definitively.
8:50 Kinda off topic, but they look like they used a headbutt to greet each other, kind of like cats. I've seen Orcas do that in a documentary once, is that common whale behavior?
saying orcas arent the apex predator is just like saying the lion isnt the apex predator of africa because elephants can kill and defend themselves quite well
still amaze how Sperm whale swim considering they seem to have the smallest flipper ratio to body size, the extreme is the Humpback giant wing flippers....on a different note, what blows my mind is when pod of Orcas goes after Blue or Fin whales, which are definitely larger than a bull Sperm whale
Thanks for the video.... now I have a question, usually competition among social predator on land is brutal wolves killing another wolves/coyotes, hyenas killing lions and vice-versa... but what is the relationship between different orca pods? Fish eater orcas doesn't mind if a mammal eating orca is close?....Like Ohh my god those cannibals could eat our calfs?
@@IsThatAThaiName The feeding tactics have been widely discussed in popular media. As for the size of the whale's head, the huge forehead carries reservoirs of oils used in deep diving pressure compensation and, especially spermaceti; the oil used in sound production and amplification. I am not an expert, but I believe that ramming as a feeding tactic is more associated with orcas.
I was wondering about Sperm whale dentition. They have no teeth in the upper jaw. No one seems to mention that fact in a potential confrontation. Even if the lower teeth had enamel and were strongly rooted would that really make much more of a difference without upper teeth? I think not. They might get in a few scratches but they have no effective bite. Now, Livyatan would be a totally different matter...
I think the size is more of a weapon than the teeth. Sperm whales are documented throughout history as smashing pretty large wooden ships, with the problem only really stopping once metal ships were commonplace.
Great video, but you slightly touched an important fact as to why and how Sperm whales can counter attack Orcas…sound. Sperm whales have the loudest clicks of all the whales. These sounds are sound loud, it can confuse Orcas. Sperm whales clicking is so intense it can actually paralyze an Orca whale. Too much noise confuses Orcas whales. That’s why some Orcas will steer clear away from Sperm whales.
imagine if giant squid started hunting in packs and invading the upper ocean, that would be terrifying, but also badass, and give the orcas something to panik about
I have a guess that the 21st sperm whales were younger and inexperienced which would explain the lack of distress calls or the weaker tail slaps, just a guess im interested in others input on this.
On Wikipedia pages of sperm whales and humpback whales, it clearly states that orcas are the predator of these two types of whales, not the other way around. Whether an orca will attack a whale of these two species every time it sees one is another story. Orcas are not stupid, they hunt for food to survive, not to get injured and die :)
In Portuguese, we call spermwhales "cachalote", the same as in Spanish, French and Romanian (also a latin-based language). Of the 5 main latin-based languages, only in Italian it's different: Capodoglio. Even in slavic languages it's "cachalote" (using the cyrilic alphabet)
@@ghostshirt1984T. rex was almost certainly a good swimmer for a land animal. A killer whale wouldn’t have that much of a size advantage over a fully grown T. rex, and the Rex’s teeth and foot claws could do serious damage. A lone killer whale probably leaves it alone. Even a small pod might not risk it.
Maybe a more experienced bull sperm whale but as far as taking on orcas I figured they'd be diving deep trying to feed themselves instead of having PeePee contest with orcas trying to figure out who's the apex predator.
The distribution of sperm whales with females generally occupying poorer hunting areas and males occuping richer areas has been attributed and seems likely the result of predation. In other words predation on females is significant enough for them to evolve major geographical changes at the expense of serious calorific benefit. This also implies that predation on males is not significant or at all. The interpretation of the 5 examples of bull Sperm Wales being played the sounds of the mammal hunting killers is also interesting. The shorter dive period appears to allow the Bulls to keep surplus of oxygen Cleary ready for a fight or flight which one is questionable. The social response of solitary males 3 out of the 5 appearing with buddies is neither supporting or rejecting predation clearly numbers in a fight help. And the avoidance behaviour in 4/5 again are inconclusive, animals even if they win a fight can sustain injuries that are lief threatening or risky. My conclusion is that Killers Wales do not predate Bull sperm whales, there's never been a recorded predation event, however bulls still recognise killers as predators and adopt defensive behaviours lets say leopard and Cape buffalo as an analogy on land. Historically Sperm Whales have been hunted extensively this selection pressure of killing the larger bigger prized animals has probably reduced the species size over the last few hundred years. So although these modern 50-60 ton males are too much for Killers the Bull Sperm whales they evolved alongside were potentially 80+ tons maybe even 100+ who are active hunters ...... this is simply too much for 6 ton( maximum) killer..
For the first orca attack you said that eventually a whale was killed by the orcas and it appeared to be the largest of the group. Normally, the largest would be the strongerst or oldest so it struck me odd that the strongest among them was the one who got killed. Watching this on Mother's day a sad story came to mind. She was the mother of some or most of the group and fought as hard as she could to save her children. The orcas kept attacking and everyone was growing more and more wounded and then she realized what she would do to save them. A story, unlikely to be true but maybe it rings with some truth. Happy Mother's day
Interesting idea but I read the paper describing the incident and it isn't true. It was an all female sperm whale pod with no calves, and they may have been subadults. The paper also said one of the largest, not the largest. While it's true that in most cases the smallest/weakest individuals would be targeted, i.e. the calves, in this case there were none and all the sperm whales were getting severely injured from the attack. It could've happened to any one of them, and the paper noted that it was quite possible the entire pod was killed.
@@NickMachado Pay attention to the video. It tells you plainly that orcas don't hunt adult male sperm whales and sperm whale pods don't have any bulls.
orcas seem the do the same as in 9:48 if they need help they will ask other pods to help like they have unerversile calls for that because iknow al pods have there own language
The jaw of the sperm whale is not robust enough to hurt orcas. It’s very slender and looks fragile. A ramming maneuver might be more effective. The head looks like a massive club.
Of course, killer whales can’t really open their mouths wide enough to do anything except bite a flipper on a live sperm whale either. KWs use ramming and tail slaps as their primarily weapons against whales.
Sperm whales havve shown to develop defense strategies agains human hunting. If they don't already do, I wonder if they someday just start to hunt orcas cause they can.
I already knew that bull sperm whales didn’t really harass or confront orcas the way some people have told me they did. There's a documentary somewhere on UA-cam, I'll look for it, then share the name of it. The documentary showed a bull sperm whale feeding on fish from a trawler where a group of fish eating orcas appeared and harassed the whale with loud noises, which irritated and disoriented the whale forcing him to swim off.
They have been known to compete at feeding sites, and male sperms have driven away orcas in such cases, although the reverse happened more often. Hal Whitehead's book on sperm whales documented this. There was also a study by Nanayakkara in 2020(?) which mentioned an instance of 5 or so males chasing away orca from a group of calves and females. It's on Cetology Hub's blog in his orca vs whales article. I'm familiar with the documentary you mentioned. It's a bit hard to make anything of though as they seem to overly dramatize the whale's situation, but he seemed unharmed and even thrashed his tail a couple of times at the orcas. Seems no one was harmed there. Overall it's safe to say that neither animal messes with each other much, but SWs are much, much safer against orcas (or indeed any large predator) than almost all other living animals today.
@@metal_pipe9764 Thanks for reminding me, I'll look for it after I get back home from donating plasma. Hopefully it hasn't been taken down, but I'll share the name once I'm able to find it. It was on the UA-cam the last time I saw it.
@@vonalfred6188 No, you're thinking about Ocean Odyssey which uses CGI for the scene. The documentary I'm referring to shows ACTUAL footage of the interaction.
Killer dolphin whales typically only have true average when sperm whale calves are involved. Killer dolphin whales maximum time frame for being submerged is around 15 minutes. Adult Sperm whales maximum time frame for being submerged is around 90 minutes and at great depths, but not for calves especially new borns, so to protect cavies, adults have to stay around, with no calves realistically adult Sperm whales could just dive.
@@AJLikesGamesAlot Not trying to make anything happen, it's what i call them, they are whales in the Delphinidae family, 95% of whales in this family are commonly referred to as being a Dolphin, so i call them that to place them, as i do with the other that aren't typically really to as be dolphin.
But what type? Fish-specialists or mammal-specialists, are Pilot dolphin whales just mobbing the fish-specialists Killer dolphin whales that aren't really a problem for them. Or are Pilot dolphin whales actually mobbing a real danger to them, the mammal-specialists Killer dolphin whales.
Being 60ft long is not a benifit when you have no way to defend your sides. I'd shit my pants too if I seen a pod of muder-oreos coming to perforate my barn door sized flanks.
Makes no sense to me why sperm whales don't actively attack the orcas. I love orcas but whales are beautiful too. I wish they had better weapons against the orcas.
But are we talking about fish-specialists Killer dolphin whales that aren't mammal killers, or are they actually challenging mammal-specialists Killer dolphin whales.
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They only hunt the young who can't dive. They don't hunt grown supermarket whales because they dive too deep.
No idea, i never swim with either.
Would like to point out that humpbacks regularly interrupt orca hunts, even if they aren't hunting another humpback.
This is thought to be protective instincts or even trauma indused as humpbacks remember being hunted as calves and took it personally.
They may not have teeth, but their sheer size is actually a weapon, even in water. Not to mention, their flippers tend to be laced with barnacles, which basically gives them brass knuckles.
There was a video on youtube about orca in the north atlantic. the orca had corralled a bait ball, but before the orca started feeding a humpback swam up from the bottom and swallowed a good chunk of the bait ball. it let the orca do the hard work, then it swooped in to steal their food.
Based total whale supremecy
Humpback gonna get kicked out of school for wearing barnacle flippers.
Wdym, sperm whales do have teeth and big too,blue whales are more massive but fortunately fhey dont have teeth or they would have been unbeatable kings or too unfair to nature balance
@@gurdjieff9282He said humpback whales you dingus
I find that second story really interesting. Other sperm whales went out of their way to defend different pods from orcas.
A lot of animals are better people than people
@@tapioperala3010 That's a great way to put it, lol
@@tapioperala3010 You mean people won't go out of their way to help other people? Astounding ignorance.
@@charlesmartin1121 Some do, sure, but I'm seeing more and more that people don't do that. That we really are wolves to each other.
Maybe it's just Finland and where I live, but this is what I'm seeing and I call it as I see it.
I'm not sure we can attribute it to selfless sacrifice. We all have to be cautious about over personification. Ultimately, selection pressure will end up with the ones using the most effective tactics being more likely to reproduce, so it needs no more than simple automatic response. The sperm whales might not know or understand why they're doing what they're doing. They could only know the small thing that is most compelling from one moment to the next.
Could be maybe they were related. Or maybe some sort of alliance, like NATO. Or maybe "safety in numbers" works so well that it's the best strategy, for themselves personally, to join the others in defense. If the orca abort their attack on the first small pod then who's to say they won't turn their attention to YOUR small pod? Maybe all they understand is "hey, come check out this interesting thing!" and then when the second pod gets there they realize it's an orca attack, so then don't really have the option of running away.
Probably, the more experience adult bull sperm whales would, as the articles say harass orcas, most cases were probably young bulls and it's like elephants young bulls are afraid of lions but the larger and more experience bull elephants would challenge lions. Hmmm very similar to each other.
indeed, and similarly to elephants there have been a lot of cases of exceptionally large sperm whale bulls... up to 73 ft and probably around 80 tonnes... these would indeed be waaaay too strong for any killer whale.... but none of these have been proved so far, but for elephants the record for a male african elephant is at 13 tonnes, while most are "only" 6-8 tonnes!
@@roelantverhoeven371 Oh yes, I remember reading up bull sperm whales reaching 22 meters, though very rare that they reach that size cause they lived a long life so you could call them really experience bulls, how you can tell is by the battle scars not just by giant or colossal squad but other sperm whales showing how old they are, like bull elephants biggest the tusk the older and more experience they have. Real titans of the sea I tell you.
True, we know hands down a bull sperm whale will beat a ocra one on one if Orcas are afraid of bull sperm whales then this is probably base on Moby Dick
Challenge 😂 a bull elephant destroys a lion, a male sperm an Orca wouldn't even bother. Numbers come into it and that's all
@@roelantverhoeven371 73 foot Sperm Whale would be like 108 tons.
I just find the level of empathy the whales have for each other amazing. To where instead of fleeing themselves they went on to form a group that was growing in size to defend the others. It’s honestly amazing to me
A tactic used by many social species, from ants to humans.
@@charlesmartin1121 Yes. Empathy is not unique to humans or other well-recognized intelligent species.
@@p5eudo883Wasp.
it's only surprising if you underestimate the intelligence of whales, especially the sperm whale.. these animals might have the most complex language structure of any species besides humans
@@magg93 They might have even more complex language than humans.
I remember learning that Humpback whales hold their own pretty well against Orcas, their huge flippers provide them with a defensive weapon other whales don't have. In the same article it mentioned how humpback whales have been observed going out of their way just to ruin an Orca hunt.
Can you make a video about this? I'm loving these whale videos ❤
I have heard the same thing. Plus the fact Humpbacks are much more maneuverable than other large whales due to their oversized flippers.
Ive heard humpbacks are just nice dudes
I remember watching a documentary and they had video evidence of this. The Orcas were hunting a smaller whale (a pilot whale iirc) her calf. The humpback whales heard the drama and swam directly to the hunt and started attacking the orca very aggressively.
Not just the huge flippers but the barnacles that grow on them add even more offensive capability.
It’s too bad that Orcas are becoming the a holes of the sea. Attacking, whales, sharks and now boats.
I saw a documentary where orcas fled a large pod of pilot whales. The pilot whales seemed to pursue the pod of orcas
They fear pilot whales because the pilot whales travel in very large groups. They're also very fast and aggressive when threatened. I remember seeing a group of scientists showing a pod of orcas that came within "audible" distance of them and they quickly swam away when they realized what was coming at them. It's like a black gang seeing a larger gang of Mexicans. 😂
@@kode4420 as a Mexican this comment made me laugh.
@@kode4420 well put hahaha
I wonder if pilot whales have damaging sonar to the orca
But are we talking about fish-specialists Killer dolphin whales that aren't mammal killers, or are they actually challenging mammal-specialists Killer dolphin whales
"Defensive defecation"
Oh geez, I've done that. I feel ya whales.
That is a surprisingly effect technique used by several different animal species. Though I am not sure humans among them.
Pygmy and drawf physeter do it to
Gross
Thank you so much for translating metric into imperial on top of everything else lmao. I appreciate the size differences in metric but it's a nice extra step.
The way I see it, as far as bull sperm whales go, they may have the ability to deter sperm whales, but it's a matter of is it worth it to fight them and potentially get hurt? Or is it better to go deep and group up with others for a better chance. Same with orcas. They target the females and the young because they put up less of a fight. It's all about trade offs and options on the table. Pride is not animal trait. Living to fight another day is. Great quality video as always pal.
Well said as always.
Humans are animals. Humans are prideful. Pride is an animal trait. We do not know what these whales are thinking or feeling. It is arrogant and ignorant to dismiss their ability to experience thoughts and emotions we attribute to humans.
@@p5eudo883 But who says they are not wise guardians knowing so much more than we can even imagine? They live far longer than we do and know so much about pretty much everything. BTW humans are not animals just fallen from grace and behave like animals. Just like whales, humans are guardians of the planet as well. only forgot who they truly are.
@@tyroneabital469 Yes, humans are animals. We are primates. Based on your use of "fallen from grace", I lean toward you being religious. Religions have done a remarkable job of perpetuating ignorance and idiotic ideas. One of which is the idea that humans and non-human animals are somehow isolated from each other.
Let me be clear. Humans are animals. And some book of fairy tales that claims otherwise is something anyone with respectable critical thinking skills is going to recognize as false.
Calfskin can't dive deep or as long. They can't get away so they are targeted
Nowerdays there's a lot of proof showing bull humpback whales and pods of pilot whales going after pods of orcas and the orcas fleeing for their lives. No bullies like to be challenged
Man makes the best videos I can't get enough
That's very kind! Thank you!
@@wildworld6264Recently theres been a new species of killer whales 49 of them that have been reported hunting sperm whales off the coast if California in the open ocean and killed a full grown female sperm whale. This new species of orca are hyper aggressive compared to other species
@@wildworld6264 Do you have a solid source showing that orcas attack sperm whales or did you just make the story up?
@@wildworld6264 can you maybe create a video about orcas and pilot whales? They seem to harrass the orcas. Ty love the video's
@@stoneyhigh05 Sure!
Why is sperm whale behaviour so…defensive to orca. You would think they would use their teeth and coordinate better defences
Sperm whales have really weak bites, and there's not a whole lot they can do to damage an Orca other than ramming them or slapping them with their tails.
Because the orcas are after the called. Spendings energy to chase off orca is energy wanted if another orca slips past and nabs a calf. They also don’t want to exhaust the calves
Sperm whales only have teeth in their lower jaw, and feed primarily via suction, not biting. Not saying they couldn't bite an orca but it probably isn't their first instinct.
I think Orca are just generally much better at coordinating their attacks than the Sperm Whales are. Sperm whales are great hunters, but based on their behavior, it seems that even they’re aware that they can’t compete with the overpowered tactics of Orca.
Don’t know why but I side with the sperm whales for some reason.. not sure why 🤷🏻♂️
Me to.
cause orca fanboys are cringe
It's because spearm whale versus a orca the sperm whale would win.... it takes a pod of orcas just to attempt to take a calf/ small female sperm whale, while an adult male sperm whale would frighten a pod of orcas...
@@jimrizzy Except it showed in the video that 10 killer whales weren't afraid to go at a pod of 100 sperm whales...
Orcas will kill a baby whale to eat its lower jaw and toungue..and kill sharks just to eat its livers...I pick any creature over the Orca.
Can you imagine a pod of Full grown Bull Orcas all working together?? the damage done would be catastrophic
Females are larger and the leaders lol
This was fascinating. Thank you for making this!
GW : 4000 lbs
Orca : 12 000 lbs.
This is like being surprised the super heavy weight champion of the world is able to defeat the Flyweight champion of the world.
What is GW
@@wheresthebeef1761 Great White. Great white sharks are about a third the size of an orca. Of course it gets murdered.
@@wheresthebeef1761 Great white shark.
Even if the match was equal Orca will still easily be able to kill a GW. Orca pods would probably pursue Megalodon if it was still extant. Why? Sharks are not mammals. They're fish. Besides the obvious gigantic intelligence gap, there's the aggressiveness factor. Mammals are very aggressive and like to fight even if they're not feeding. Fish aren't that way at all. Sharks don't put up a fight against Orca. It takes a couple of minutes for a single Orca to kill a GW. It would take a few minutes more to kill a hypothetical GW the size of an Orca because of the lack of fight in the animal. They have the weapons but don't use them.
@@jamesaron1967you just made that up
Deification while in rosette formation was not my first guess but seems like a very effective defensive strategy. The fact that sperm whales are carnivorous probably increases the effectiveness of the strategy exponentially.
In Cebu Philippines, We do have a Video about a juvenile Sperm whale attacking a pod of orca (rare sighting).
Another great video as always, Love to see the notification of a new wild world video, they never disappoint!
Glad you enjoy it!
For all the power sperm whales seem to possess with their hypersonic clicking, it’s a damn shame that even they don’t seem to realize how much damage they could do against potential predators like orca.
I'm speculating, but it seems to me the bull vs. orca scenario is analogous to single male lion vs. a group of hyenas. One or two hyenas wouldn't in their right mind go after the lion unless they're starving and desperate. Meanwhile, the lion is leery of engaging too much because he's aware they may have greater numbers that can wear him down. My guess is even bull sperms know that Orcas typically hunt in packs and prefer having superior numbers. The bull is alone, and they're SMART animals--so no, they're not gonna just charge into what is likely a group of orcas looking for a fight--they could easily find themselves outnumbered 10 to 1. Most of this makes sense to me.
It’s fun to just make up fantasies in our heads with no data and no knowledge. If it makes “sense” to you guys then just keep living your truth and share it with others who are like-minded. It’s even more fun when you’re comparing two completely and utterly disparate species AND then translating that through your personal human mindset. That’s extra special.
While that’s true the difference in weight between a bull sperm whale and an orca is bigger than between male lions and hyenas. With his sound attack he also has an ranged option and can possibly stun his enemies and hit multiple of them at a time.
But what if the lion is the one who's starving and desperate?
@@daniels7717 this isnt a video game, buddy. Most animals with common sense aren't going to pick a fight and they damn sure dont swim around being animals planning in their head for when that day comes.
And also weight doesnt matter in the water thats exactly why they can get so big out there. Unless you're a scrawny human that can get easily winded or a boat. Maybe a tail slap can briefly stun one orca if its timed correctly and on its mark. Then what? There still atleast a couple more orcas that they'd have to worry about.
@@AJLikesGamesAlotthe thing is everything changes when your the one being attacked
If the bull sperm whale is doing the attacking
There’s a 0% chance a orca will actively fight using attacks
That’s completely suicidal and there own intelligence of that actually hurts them here
Like herds of buffalo can easily take on a couple lions but they almost never will because that’s just what happens when your the one being attacked.
Great video Orcas are one animal that I am fascinated by. First on my bucket list is to see one in the wild.
Underrated Channel. Great info.
I appreciate that!
Another case that I saw on Y/T but now I can't find it for anything; Wildlife film makers came across a 'mixed' pod of Sperm whales being harassed by Orcas; the film makers got into their zodiac inflatable and tried to get close. Long story short, the Male sperm whales formed a sort of 'skirmish line' while the rest of the pod swam ahead. The Zodiac took a position near the flank of the 'line'; The orcas were VERY agitated as the made a mock charge towards the line. They even got VERY close to the Zodiac, but before any contact was made, the Orcas veered away from the film makers. They opined that the Orcas were upset that 'humans' got mixed up in the whale fight but then realized that the humans were not actually involved, so they proceeded to ignore them.
Naturally I have no idea what happened next, except perhaps the film makers 'got the heck out of there' at the earliest opportunity.
Dude! The twilight zone reference! That used to be my favorite episode! Great video otherwise as well!
I've been interested in orca since I was very young. They are truly the wolves of the sea in the same token that a lone wolf or even two or three would not be much of a match for a bull bison it seems that the orca pods that hunt sperm whale play by a lot of the same rules. Also, the defense techniques the sperm whales use could absolutely vary depending on the family group in the same way that different family groups of orca hunt different prey and use different tactics depending on geographical origin. Great video as usual.
Always good to see new content 👌
Hope you enjoyed it!
@@wildworld6264 always ♥️
You notice he said 4 swam away from the sound. So one swam towards the orca or didn't change course knowing that his on his own and orca are never on their own. This is the silver back gorilla of sperm whales.
Orcas fear Pilot whales.
That’s because it’s a number game. It’s like a large group of hyenas chasing of a small group of lions. Humpback whales are also known to chase orcas as well.
@@aottadelsei980at least 21 pilots in a pod
I would too. I don't think whales are well-equipped for flying planes.
@@aottadelsei980That’s the same for killer whale. They travel in packs of 40. Wolves of the sea.
@@p5eudo883That was a horrible joke. I giggled. 😂
I've been rereading the classics lately, Moby Dick and 20k Leagues Under the Sea specifically.
There is a pretty horrific scene in chapter 12 (part 2) where Captain Nemo destroyed a pod of Cachalots just as they were attacking a pod of a more harmless species of southern whales, which ironically he would not allow Ned Land to hunt.
He then deemed the Cachalots a vicious nuisance worthy of being exterminated. The narrator goes on to describe the anatomy of the Cachalots as being an evolutionary mistake and more tadpole than fish.
Earlier in the chapter though they discuss how long whales live. It is mentioned that back in the early days of whaling they were much much bigger than now (at the time the book was written) allowed to grow to their old age.
It's possible that Moby Dick was simply an incredibly old and wily whale.
I had only just read this chapter today, so imagine my excitement when i saw this video in my feed.
Thank you for making it.
Excellent video as always! Thanks!
The Orcas are smart enough to be opportunistic when attacking something as big as a Sperm Whale. It really comes down to pack hunting tactics with Orcas - usually targeting the old, weak, or young. The interesting thing is they are attacking another apex predator that also lives in pods and only some groups of Orca do this at all. Unlike a lone grizzly bear against a wolf pack, the Sperm Whales could flip the script with a learned behavior change and attack Orca as large pods rather than just defend. In general it seems like a risky match up for either group and targeting easier prey is a better tactic, unless truly desperate.
We also have very limited data on it, it’s hard to know anything definitively.
8:50 Kinda off topic, but they look like they used a headbutt to greet each other, kind of like cats. I've seen Orcas do that in a documentary once, is that common whale behavior?
The orca kill strategy is what fighter pilots would use on bombers pre-air to air missiles. Fly in, hit hard, disrupt formation, repeat.
saying orcas arent the apex predator is just like saying the lion isnt the apex predator of africa because elephants can kill and defend themselves quite well
I wonder how much smaller the Sperm Whale gets when it dives way down to hunt giant squid. All that pressure.
still amaze how Sperm whale swim considering they seem to have the smallest flipper ratio to body size, the extreme is the Humpback giant wing flippers....on a different note, what blows my mind is when pod of Orcas goes after Blue or Fin whales, which are definitely larger than a bull Sperm whale
YI love your video. You answer all of my question. You are the best UA-camr.
Wow, thanks!
Orcas will alsouse their weight and tail flukes to injure or stun the prey. Bites can also cause bleeding out to further weaken prey
Thanks for the video.... now I have a question, usually competition among social predator on land is brutal wolves killing another wolves/coyotes, hyenas killing lions and vice-versa... but what is the relationship between different orca pods? Fish eater orcas doesn't mind if a mammal eating orca is close?....Like Ohh my god those cannibals could eat our calfs?
Cow eating orca
Don’t sperm whales ram giant squid then eat them hence the huge forehead
@@IsThatAThaiName The feeding tactics have been widely discussed in popular media. As for the size of the whale's head, the huge forehead carries reservoirs of oils used in deep diving pressure compensation and, especially spermaceti; the oil used in sound production and amplification. I am not an expert, but I believe that ramming as a feeding tactic is more associated with orcas.
@@WildBillCox13 oh, I always heard that sperm whales rammed
I was wondering about Sperm whale dentition. They have no teeth in the upper jaw. No one seems to mention that fact in a potential confrontation. Even if the lower teeth had enamel and were strongly rooted would that really make much more of a difference without upper teeth? I think not. They might get in a few scratches but they have no effective bite. Now, Livyatan would be a totally different matter...
I think the size is more of a weapon than the teeth. Sperm whales are documented throughout history as smashing pretty large wooden ships, with the problem only really stopping once metal ships were commonplace.
Great video, but you slightly touched an important fact as to why and how Sperm whales can counter attack Orcas…sound.
Sperm whales have the loudest clicks of all the whales. These sounds are sound loud, it can confuse Orcas. Sperm whales clicking is so intense it can actually paralyze an Orca whale. Too much noise confuses Orcas whales. That’s why some Orcas will steer clear away from Sperm whales.
"Où est la baleine? Elle se cachalot (elle se cache à l'eau)"
"Where is the whale? (elle se cache à l'eau = its hiding in water)
Cachalot is way more fitting name for this beast
imagine if giant squid started hunting in packs and invading the upper ocean, that would be terrifying, but also badass, and give the orcas something to panik about
I have a guess that the 21st sperm whales were younger and inexperienced which would explain the lack of distress calls or the weaker tail slaps, just a guess im interested in others input on this.
good investigation
Any video on YT that claims a species either hunts Orca or is afraid thereof is either misinformation or clickbait.
On Wikipedia pages of sperm whales and humpback whales, it clearly states that orcas are the predator of these two types of whales, not the other way around. Whether an orca will attack a whale of these two species every time it sees one is another story. Orcas are not stupid, they hunt for food to survive, not to get injured and die :)
Very interesting!
This will be sick
3:47
"Orca like them"
"Aww so cute- WHAT THE F"
That's almost sounds like lions versus hyenas.
So a possible ally in what is to come. When the chips are down though, will they side with man or their orca brethren? We need to do some reach out.
I do sometimes wonder if Orca fights other pods of Orcas?
Even large pods of sperm whales will have a challenge .Orcas are known to use their endurance and agility aginst prey.
imagine if there was a book about all the other whale species going to war against the orcas
In Portuguese, we call spermwhales "cachalote", the same as in Spanish, French and Romanian (also a latin-based language). Of the 5 main latin-based languages, only in Italian it's different: Capodoglio. Even in slavic languages it's "cachalote" (using the cyrilic alphabet)
Could an orca hypothetically eat a Tyrannosaurus rex that swims in the ocean?
Tyrannosaurus never swim! But ones orcas evolved was the extinction of megalodon.
@@ghostshirt1984that’s just a theory, there is no proof that orca made the megalodon go extinct
It would easily kill a swimming Rex. How would it defent itself ?
No because orcas don't eat skeletons
@@ghostshirt1984T. rex was almost certainly a good swimmer for a land animal. A killer whale wouldn’t have that much of a size advantage over a fully grown T. rex, and the Rex’s teeth and foot claws could do serious damage. A lone killer whale probably leaves it alone. Even a small pod might not risk it.
Maybe a more experienced bull sperm whale but as far as taking on orcas I figured they'd be diving deep trying to feed themselves instead of having PeePee contest with orcas trying to figure out who's the apex predator.
The distribution of sperm whales with females generally occupying poorer hunting areas and males occuping richer areas has been attributed and seems likely the result of predation. In other words predation on females is significant enough for them to evolve major geographical changes at the expense of serious calorific benefit. This also implies that predation on males is not significant or at all.
The interpretation of the 5 examples of bull Sperm Wales being played the sounds of the mammal hunting killers is also interesting. The shorter dive period appears to allow the Bulls to keep surplus of oxygen Cleary ready for a fight or flight which one is questionable. The social response of solitary males 3 out of the 5 appearing with buddies is neither supporting or rejecting predation clearly numbers in a fight help. And the avoidance behaviour in 4/5 again are inconclusive, animals even if they win a fight can sustain injuries that are lief threatening or risky.
My conclusion is that Killers Wales do not predate Bull sperm whales, there's never been a recorded predation event, however bulls still recognise killers as predators and adopt defensive behaviours lets say leopard and Cape buffalo as an analogy on land.
Historically Sperm Whales have been hunted extensively this selection pressure of killing the larger bigger prized animals has probably reduced the species size over the last few hundred years. So although these modern 50-60 ton males are too much for Killers the Bull Sperm whales they evolved alongside were potentially 80+ tons maybe even 100+ who are active hunters ...... this is simply too much for 6 ton( maximum) killer..
6 ton is not maximum size for a killer whale, maybe for a female but for males its not really big
I love sperm whales. So awesome to find more info about them. Awesome vid.
Do one on Pilot Whales plz
If that the case, then why do killer whales swin away from pilot whales?
For the first orca attack you said that eventually a whale was killed by the orcas and it appeared to be the largest of the group. Normally, the largest would be the strongerst or oldest so it struck me odd that the strongest among them was the one who got killed. Watching this on Mother's day a sad story came to mind. She was the mother of some or most of the group and fought as hard as she could to save her children. The orcas kept attacking and everyone was growing more and more wounded and then she realized what she would do to save them.
A story, unlikely to be true but maybe it rings with some truth. Happy Mother's day
Well males are larger, so I highly doubt it was the mother. The father, possibly.
Erst
Interesting idea but I read the paper describing the incident and it isn't true. It was an all female sperm whale pod with no calves, and they may have been subadults. The paper also said one of the largest, not the largest. While it's true that in most cases the smallest/weakest individuals would be targeted, i.e. the calves, in this case there were none and all the sperm whales were getting severely injured from the attack. It could've happened to any one of them, and the paper noted that it was quite possible the entire pod was killed.
@@NickMachado You didn't pay attention to the video. It tells you plainly that orcas don't hunt adult male sperm whales and pods don't have any bulls.
@@NickMachado Pay attention to the video. It tells you plainly that orcas don't hunt adult male sperm whales and sperm whale pods don't have any bulls.
Wow!! This Are Amazing!! If Sperm Whales!! Do Fight Occas!! Then A Sperm Are The King Of The Sea 🌊 🐋.
What's the location at 1:18, please?
Thanks
Pilot whales also have a unique relationship with Killer Whales
I spent the first half of the video thinking you were American until my brain went ding and i realised you are Irish. And i'm Irish i felt so dumb.
Don’t pilot whales cause a problem for orcas?
I can’t wait till we build high velocity underwater drones.
So....Are Killer Whales the Hyenas of the ocean and the Bull Sperm Whale is the adult male Lion? Laymens terms I mean..
Orcas are more agile in the wather than big whales
orcas seem the do the same as in 9:48 if they need help they will ask other pods to help like they have unerversile calls for that because iknow al pods have there own language
They hunt them for food off the Continental shelf off of Washington and Oregon.
The jaw of the sperm whale is not robust enough to hurt orcas. It’s very slender and looks fragile. A ramming maneuver might be more effective. The head looks like a massive club.
It might not look robust but its basically the size of a human so it wont break that easily
Of course, killer whales can’t really open their mouths wide enough to do anything except bite a flipper on a live sperm whale either. KWs use ramming and tail slaps as their primarily weapons against whales.
Sounds like Bloods vs Crips but in the ocean
Sperm whales havve shown to develop defense strategies agains human hunting. If they don't already do, I wonder if they someday just start to hunt orcas cause they can.
01:00
„no one messes with them“
Pls go and bring this news to the cookiecutter shark! Guess he doesn’t know about this fact x)
Hmmm, so it seems... I mean, orca being the top predator. Pack power doubled by high intelligence.
Bull sperms whales have killed orca
All animals fight for their lives. The outcome though is different.
I already knew that bull sperm whales didn’t really harass or confront orcas the way some people have told me they did.
There's a documentary somewhere on UA-cam, I'll look for it, then share the name of it. The documentary showed a bull sperm whale feeding on fish from a trawler where a group of fish eating orcas appeared and harassed the whale with loud noises, which irritated and disoriented the whale forcing him to swim off.
They have been known to compete at feeding sites, and male sperms have driven away orcas in such cases, although the reverse happened more often. Hal Whitehead's book on sperm whales documented this. There was also a study by Nanayakkara in 2020(?) which mentioned an instance of 5 or so males chasing away orca from a group of calves and females. It's on Cetology Hub's blog in his orca vs whales article.
I'm familiar with the documentary you mentioned. It's a bit hard to make anything of though as they seem to overly dramatize the whale's situation, but he seemed unharmed and even thrashed his tail a couple of times at the orcas. Seems no one was harmed there.
Overall it's safe to say that neither animal messes with each other much, but SWs are much, much safer against orcas (or indeed any large predator) than almost all other living animals today.
Did you find it?
@@metal_pipe9764 Thanks for reminding me, I'll look for it after I get back home from donating plasma.
Hopefully it hasn't been taken down, but I'll share the name once I'm able to find it. It was on the UA-cam the last time I saw it.
@@kaijuar2003no it was the other way around
@@vonalfred6188 No, you're thinking about Ocean Odyssey which uses CGI for the scene. The documentary I'm referring to shows ACTUAL footage of the interaction.
Am i the only one who is pissed off about the fact that no one can beat orcas? Lol
Why don't the whales bit back? Surely they could could do some real damage and scare the orcas off.
After an interesting video, so many interesting comments.
Anything is possible in scores. Teamwork makes impossible possible. How about one on one, eh? Who's the top dog?
Sperm whales certainly have the size, & incredibly powerful mandibles, but I suspect Orcas speed & agility trumps sperm whale’s defenses.
Killer dolphin whales typically only have true average when sperm whale calves are involved. Killer dolphin whales maximum time frame for being submerged is around 15 minutes. Adult Sperm whales maximum time frame for being submerged is around 90 minutes and at great depths, but not for calves especially new borns, so to protect cavies, adults have to stay around, with no calves realistically adult Sperm whales could just dive.
@@zebedeemadness2672 stop trying to make "killer dolphin whales" happen.
@@AJLikesGamesAlot Not trying to make anything happen, it's what i call them, they are whales in the Delphinidae family, 95% of whales in this family are commonly referred to as being a Dolphin, so i call them that to place them, as i do with the other that aren't typically really to as be dolphin.
Orcas have been seen fleeing from pilot whales.
But what type? Fish-specialists or mammal-specialists, are Pilot dolphin whales just mobbing the fish-specialists Killer dolphin whales that aren't really a problem for them. Or are Pilot dolphin whales actually mobbing a real danger to them, the mammal-specialists Killer dolphin whales.
Technically the largest predator title still goes to the blue whale considering they eat krill.
Why don't they dive deep to escape? It makes no sense to stay on top of the water to be predated.
Calves can't dive very far. So the females would have to abandon their young.
@@KartarNighthawk Didn't know that. Ok
Why do spermwhales not simply dive deep and swim away in silence?
Being 60ft long is not a benifit when you have no way to defend your sides. I'd shit my pants too if I seen a pod of muder-oreos coming to perforate my barn door sized flanks.
Pretty sure sper whales can just click some of the orcas to deth
maneuverability matters
Dont you plan to make video about white sperm whales or sperm whale atacks on ships ?
Which whale has a bigger brain size? Killer whale or sperm whale? I would say brain size determines the winner here..
Sperm whales have the biggest brian in the world.
A sperm whale has the largest brain of any animal.
Makes no sense to me why sperm whales don't actively attack the orcas. I love orcas but whales are beautiful too. I wish they had better weapons against the orcas.
That was a finwhale
Pilot Whales are the real challengers to the Orca's throne
Well them and humpbacks
But are we talking about fish-specialists Killer dolphin whales that aren't mammal killers, or are they actually challenging mammal-specialists Killer dolphin whales.
Wanderful ocean wave video clips thank you.