Ivan Illich: Deschooling and Conviviality with Nina Power
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Nina Power is a British philosopher. She teaches an online course about Ivan Illich at IllichCourse.com.
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I stumbled across Ivan Illich thanks to the educational work of Neil Postman, and it had a profound impact on me, inspiring everything from a critique of “the college monopoly on credentials” to an analysis of how the “medium” of classrooms are structured like “trivia shows.” As the years pass, Illich is proving only more prophetic. It's wonderful Nina is teaching this course.
illich really has something to say to our hopless dystopian times
There's a really interesting chapter in Melville "The Confidence-Man" about conviviality where the hinted insight is that you have to do it in order to have friends, but in doing it, you risk being conned/subverted. Chapters 28-30 or so.
I love Illich’s “Tools for Conviviality”. It’s an interesting frame for choosing which technologies to embrace and which to be wary of, from a really human perspective
Nina’s lecturing ability has greatly improved since her first appearance on the podcast. it’s inspiring to see her grow as an academic and intellectual.
Nice. Great choice. Godspeed on this project, Justin.
Thanks to all for this. Sorely needed. Y'all rock.
communiversity
based and Illich pilled
how about a course on marx ?
I'm 65 year old retired, Fly-over, Deplorable, Missouri-mule, and I am in love with this woman...her mind, her gracious, gorgeousness being.
Love Nina!
Nina is looking gorgeous as always, tell her to come back to twitter, I miss her :(
This is really rather good. Thanks!
Love for Nina
David Cayley interview, when? His recent book on Illich is essential.
Once I saw Charles Taylor wrote the forward I had to order it
Soon! He's agreed to it :)
There was an interesting talk recently where the former Governor of California, Jerry Brown, spoke about Ivan Illyc, in regards to COVID policy.
Hey Justin thank you so much for your work re-inventing the liberal arts, is there a way we could connect?
That bit about Pods at 12:00 or so bears striking resemblance to Paul Goodman’s notion of how schooling might work! Not surprising either that Goodman and Illich were colleagues and coconspirators
I haven't had a bell notification for 3 weeks - wtf youtube!? Also Justin hasn't put all that much out in weeks. Hope you're doing good Justin we miss you ;-)
Something I do is to keep a text file list of the channels I listen to, and under their Videos menu, look for all the new videos UA-cam has stopped alerting me to. Gets around their algorithm.
Really? David Cayley just published a major work on Illich? That fascinates me. The first time I remember hearing about Illich was in a multi-part radio series Cayley did for a Canadian Broadcasting Corp show called Ideas sometime in the 80s. I used to be a regular listener to ideas, which featured lots of work by original thinkers in those days. That turned out to be a brief golden age, and Ideas (I don't even know if it's still on the air, though it was for decades) soon degenerated into just another propaganda outlet for managerial liberalism. Impressive that during all these decades, while I've wandered down so many different intellectual pathways, Cayley has apparently been dedicated to deepening and distilling those provocative ideas of Illich to which he'd first introduced me nearly four decades ago. And watching this discussion between Jack and Nina reminded me just how in debt I have been to Illich in the specific choice of paths I've taken over all those years. Thanks for this.
only I became confused with Ivan Ilyitch?
RAWR!
quirked to say the least.
Would like to hear aarvoll discuss his ecclesiology more. It seems like his perennialism is fulfilled in writers like Ratzinger and de Lubac, who express more coherently both the universality of Christ as logos and the exclusivity of Christ as the Church. It seems to me that you can’t embrace tradition and rituality in the Christian context without taking on the magisterial authority which Jesus seems clearly to have left behind in an institution.
I think a discussion between Joel Davis and yourself would be interesting. Check him out
The synthesis of Post-Liberal and Centrist Anglicanism 😆. Nina found the exit out of somewhere on the left side of the castle
Nina Power and Ivan Illich: a dream team. Thank you for this!
I thought his first name was pronounced Ee-vahn, with the stress on the second syllable. Are you sure you're pronouncing it right?
@7:26 are you guys trying to recreate university?
didn't someone important say "If you are coping someone you already lost."
3 years later, realizing this was what this commenter accomplished *after editing*
3 years later, realizing this was what this commenter accomplished *after editing*
Christ as imagined by Ivan is more of contemporary Christian Christ(as in organic living religion) rather than Christ as historical figure- historical figure that isn't so interesting