Are Men Ok? | Peter Boghossian & Nina Power
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Philosopher and writer Nina Power is senior editor and columnist at Compact Magazine. She is the author of “One Dimensional Woman” (2009) and “What do Men Want? Masculinity & Its Discontents” (2022). She left her position as Senior Lecturer of Philosophy at Roehampton University after more than a decade in academia.
Peter Boghossian spoke with Nina about the current manifestation of the “battle of the sexes,” where men have become a socially permitted target of hatred and blame. Nina discusses the curious ideal of a homogenous human being, an aim to un-gender the sexes to make men and women interchangeable. She says it is a mistake that traditional masculine virtues-strength, judgment, responsibility-are being coded as right-wing values that must be dismantled alongside “the patriarchy.”
Peter and Nina also discuss sex differences, male suicide, Nina’s break with the Labour Party, the state of philosophy, Aristotle’s categories of friendship, intellectual conformity, Ivan Illich, Rebecca Tuvel, activist attacks, leftism, the beauty of changing one’s mind, and more.
Nina received a Ph.D. in philosophy from Middlesex University and an MA and BA in philosophy from the University of Warwick. She was a senior lecturer in philosophy at Roehampton University and has taught at various British universities. She is a fellow of the Royal Society of Arts and a member of the British Philosophical Association. She cohosts the podcast The Lack with Helen Rollins and Benjamin Studebaker.
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0:00 Intro
2:40 Masculinity under siege
7:40 Nina’s background
18:00 Philosophers falling away from reason
28:35 What happened to Nina
34:16 Why we can’t talk across divides
41:35 What it means to be a philosopher
49:30 Friendships across ideological divides
56:50 Pretendians/DEI scam
1:03:03 What do men want?
1:04:40 Rationality
1:12:00 “Would you rather” question
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As someone who graduated with a BA majoring in Philosophy who has in the past thought of myself as a “philosopher”, this was an encouraging conversation, especially on the subject of what it is to be a philosopher 👍🏻
Google trends shows interest in the "KillAllMen" hashtag peaking in '05. Perhaps ironically, I was a college student at the time and had several classes in the Humanities led by feminists. It led to my first experience being censored. If I was not a Dean's List student at the time, I probably would have been bounced out of the institution on my rear end. There's no doubt, in my mind, as to the problem's origin... the matrix behind the matrix... illusions feeding delusions. Two decades later? Higher education is, as the kids say, a "lolcow."
Edit: I hope my prostate is made of Unobtainium, btw...
Demonising young men who are unloved and unwanted is incredibly callous.
It's the main male mental health reality that is driving autogynephilia as a life strategy.
And dangerous, that is one of the factors that made ISIS grown so fast, and why the Christian right is growing so fast.
@@martinhodgson1996if I could just reword that for a second. You're saying young men who are suffering from being unloved and unwanted are turning to trying to become women so that they get to be loved and wanted?
@@MatthewHanson1 No not exactly. Not if you are thinking along the lines of becoming women to achieve being loved. Because as males they haven't achieved it.
What I mean is think of it more as a self inversion. You desire to experience love, romance, a female. At first in a healthy way that is typical of a heterosexual. You want companionship, a friend, a lover. But as you develop into these desires along a pubescent trajectory. Your desires to move forward and experience it are hindered by reality. Here you get a position where you can't affect or control these desires. You cannot make them real or bring them about as you wish to.
Remembering these desires are not wrong and are perfectly typical. If you add other variables like porn consumption. Which gives the male in question unrealistic expectations. These internal desires can develop into a self serving way of bursting out the side.
In an unhealthy way that turns into a way of behaving that causes the male to adopt a behaviour that meets his own needs. Instead of finding a real female who comes already with all the attributes that he finds satisfactory. Instead of wanting to be with her. He can meet the need himself by becoming her. He can step into the experience himself. He can adopt a hair style, say a long curly wig if he enjoys a female with that style of hair. He can dress how he would like to see his girlfriend dress. He can adopt interests he would like in his girlfriend to have. And so on and so on. It's a very inverted way of living. But it works because it provides for him a way to experience and live out his desire to let his feelings flow. Instead of being bricked up or walled in by the way reality has reduced him to not being able to experience his desire to love. This allows him to go forward he just has to be the female he can express his love to. It's a self contained system. But he has to give up his own identity and his own flesh. To make her real he must sacrifice himself. As he transitions. The male he really is gets over taken by the false consciousness. That provides him with his euphoria and pleasure as his needs are met the best he can. By being the woman he never met. This way he experiences both sides of his own love. He experiences the wonderfulness of being mad about someone. But like a mirror he also experiences what it feels like to be loved by someone mad about him. Because he is both the male mad about her and the her who has someone crazy in love with them. And he controls it all. So it's infinite.
Women have very little empathy for low status men. Women reserve their compassion for herself, her children, other women, other children, animals, the environment and men come last on their list.
This is a big problem I'm facing in my relationships with friends and family right now. When you two speak of whether or not you can be friends with someone who cares if they believe true things it speaks to me. It is insanely hard to watch people you've know and loved for years pull away or start to think you're crazy because they won't examine objectively the ideas and proofs you try to share with them. Discarding them without consideration in favor of comfortable lies. Then distancing themselves because you make them question their constructed reality.
This resonates with me. And, also, having a circle of acquaintances - people you just hang out with - and finding out that almost none of your values match up with theirs (thanks pandemic for making that clear!) and then spending quite a bit of time (and still) trying to figure out how you can even associate with them any longer.
Worse, still, is realising that most people in your "friends" circle don't actually think about why they do what they do. Jeez
reminds me of a saying I heard: "A friend is someone who knows you and likes you regardless"
Thanks, PB for giving Nina another platform to express and dialogue; Nina is always worth a listen.
Nina is great! Thanks for tuning in.
and thank you PB for keeping us sane! It's nice to see that there are others who are not completely insane.
@@drpeterboghossian, great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
I listen to this on my way home from work and I become overwhelmed with emotion and I don’t know why. When he asks the question about being friends with someone who doesn’t care about truth so many things flood into my heart.
❤️
great interview. I remember horrendous cancellations Nina Power has endured. What a powerful lady Nina Power is! thank you. x
So pleased to see you talk to Nina. She is such a clear and passionate thinker and communicator.
Agreed! She’s terrific!
Hey Peter, so sorry to hear your story, Nina’s and so many others. I have loved finding your channel and am working my way through your book. I suck at not shooting my messenger. Thanks for these great conversations
So pleased to see the adults in the room. Love your videos Peter. 😊
Have seen the situation in the humanities and arts departments at our local university since 1991. Used to be half and half men and women. Now, it’s about 85% women and 15% men. Some classes are all women. No one says anything about this as if it’s totally normal and very inclusive but there’s still work to be done.
There can never be enough equality to satisfy feminists. The emphasis remains on getting more women into academic fields that they aren't really interested in even as the sex ratio of students campuses overall is 3 women: 2 men. #gynocentrism
@@annarboriter I used to work in the field of science where some women are present (30% judging by what I saw at conferences, maybe even more). At least in part due to the gender and race equity hysteria of the last few years the only job I could find is in an entirely different field. There is like 1 female research staff member in the entire building... About 5 % at the only conference in this field that I thus far attended...
@@iampdv I don't follow what precisely you are trying to explain with your example. That there is still not effort in 'levelling the playing field' for women? Or that women even with degrees in the hard sciences aren't interested in working in the fields that they are studying to enter?
I myself once applied for a Master's program. I got as far as the interview stage where I met the previous year's intake. Out of a class of 10, 9 were women. Needless to say, I did not get that coveted one setaside for men. Is there any doubt that if there were only one woman in a class of 10, it would not have generated condemnation as sexist?
@@annarboriter Certainly not the first thing. I guess I wanted to say that the proportions of men and women reflect to a great extent gender differences in preferences and personalities. And that discrimination of men to 'level the playing field' is unfair and not quite productive. I have seen the same thing as you explain with cluster hires of assistant professors. The most disgusting in my opinion are products of woke hiring, who create these purely female teams around them and shout about diversity and equity on every corner. I look at that and can't help noticing that they really don't see that the probability of this arising by chance is 0.3^n where n is the number of group members and 0.3 is the fraction of women, which the claim is even less than 0.3.
@@annarboriter and yes, within my first field women do tend to stay away from anything related to calculations... I don't have enough observations for the second field, but those very few women that I saw seem to be generally good at math. Perhaps that's roughly a proportion of men and women within a cohort of people who are attracted to fields with lots of math?
What a great person. These kind of conversations need to be more mainstream.
In my SE conversations, I have concluded that most fundamental difference between people is not some political or religious opinion, but affinity to truth vs feeling good/accepted.
How refreshing to meet people who have so obviously spent their lives honing their craft - great conversation Peter. Nina - you are such a compelling and engaging speaker!
This meant a great deal to me to watch. Thank you.
Continuing to appreciate these conversations
No, no we are not, but we push on anyways.
@@CCave-wj6xy 🤣😂❤️ that is a term I’ve been called once or twice.
Hi ho hi ho.....
It is not just philosophy that has been affected and infected, the same thing is going on in journalism, linguistics, biology - and a host of other academic and non-academic fields.
Power by name, power by nature. Smart lady and great to listen to.
Never heard about these issues over in Great Britain. Thank you for bringing it to light to American audiences. Or at least me. Have a good day.
Thank you! And thank you for the Super Thanks, it is very appreciated!
Men are always looked at as disposable. Men and women look at men this way. For moments maybe people care but help is never coming. It’s healthy to accept this fact and move on.
Someone else gets it!
One of my Dad's (who was not religious) favourite sayings was "the lord helps those who helps themselves" LOL.
I highly recommend her book, especially the audio version which is read by the author.
I left my faith in 2013 and I found podcasts that discussed atheism, skepticism, other religions, evolution, critical-thinking and so forth. I found interest and wanted to understand transgenderism. Listened to stories of their experiences and issues. Then one day I heard someone screaming on a podcast, “Trans women are women!” He was angry and saying it all over and over, there was no debate. I was like, hello your podcast is called cognitive dissonance bro! I realized all these so called critical thinkers are actually in an echo chamber and kinda cultish, like you don’t want to stray from the Holy Left. Total let down.
So grateful for you Peter!
Thank you!
@@drpeterboghossianand thanks for the introducing Nina, brilliant!
You don’t need god to have a religion
@@DrDeuteron there are plenty of atheists that are in church, so I would agree.
Look into gnosticism.
They are similarities between religion and transgenderism, one exame is enlightenment. Replace scripture with activism, the spiritual realm is society instead of heaven, replace god with men / women.The aim is to be enlightened, to be a God or the vessel where the knowledge of God channels through Once enlightened instead of becoming a priest/ nun you join academy. To gain knowledge you need information, to get information you need to go to the places where this is contained. These places include toilets, locker rooms, and organizations. By going into these places you gain biological, cultural and historical information about a sex and this gains to womanhood / manhood
I struggle to accept the idea that modern women are kind and are trained to be kind. Going along with the crowd like sheep is not kindness.
We are people. Not all of men or women are kind.
(that's because it's not true)
Wokeism is weaponised compassion hence why women are more susceptible to it, it comes from a place of caring
@@TheAultimusPrime no, it doesn't 'come from a place of caring', it comes from a place of self-interest disguised as care
@@OrwellsHousecat the championing of the oppressed did not come from self interest, it may have morphed into that now where some do it for social capital but that is not the initial doctrine of the philosophy. Additionally women are more susceptible to group think as evolutionarily social ostracism is more damaging to women than men
Superb conversation! Thanks to you both 🙏
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Nina Power, 1st time I've heard of her but I'm now going to buy one of her books, Any suggestions?
This was great, I loved your conversation but surely you were both on the beer
I'm 25 minutes in to this, and Nina has yet to even _try_ to answer the original question "Are men OK?"
She doesn't actually care! She just wants more of them to be doormats & wallets for feminists to exploit. Her only concern is that there are less to exploit, so she wants to bring them back to the plantation.
47:20 - "what do you think it is that makes somebody susceptible to that.."
If ignorance is bliss then wisdom is pain.
I believe that if one's instinct for group association is weaker then it is easier to be a contrarian and less painful being an outsider.
I’ve been watching this since it was posted but I’m at work and I just noticed my screen hasn’t updated but it shows 1 like which I liked it when I opened it
Why is it that any al-anon meeting has only women? Maybe see a guy once in a great while. Plenty of males arr damaged from growimg up with alcoholics or marrying an alcoholic. But they dont come and get to unpack that. Its been super helpful for me, and it makes me sad that men dont benefit from thr program
Would love to see Alice Dreger & Nina Power dredge thru the trans issue & where the lining up with actual equality of opportunity should be between males ,females in a modern society . Is anyone entitled to exclude the other by sex alone or tradition ? ie : Proof needed & regulations where there is some overlap or none . Sport is clearly unfair & no way to separate practically hormonally as Dreger has talked about , other issues . Pageants though how is that unfair ? Unless you think that people are entitled to exclusivity by sex alone ( i don't ) , With decades of precedents that women should not be barred from anywhere in society if they are able to do something HOW is it fair to exclude males of any kind on that basis of sex alone ?
I agree with the idea that you should talk to anyone. But I also think that some people aren't open for a discussion they just want to hate.
this was a great conversation here, lots to think about. I will say though, it's funny to me when I hear people say they're "politically homeless" I feel a big part of the problem is people claiming a political home in the first place.
poor peter no one shares his deep nerd love of star trek
I do!!!
He should discuss it with Mike Stoklasa.
My man is lovely. He has worked in the art world most of his life. He is caring and not violent. He is now studying nursing later in life and caring for me as i have breast cancer. We understand the need to get to know people and discuss things, as ex nurse myself. We all have basic human needs when it gets to the crunch u soon realize what is important
I know a lot of different folk. We all have basic human needs. I say to all make sure u screen for biological cancers, not fun the treatment
A great interview - I could listen to Nina all day!
The bit that resonated most with me was the political homelessness section and how the 'new left' won't engage. I'm left wing both socially and liberally in terms of values but I also value rationality, evidence, ideas, truth, free speech, and I'm anti-authoritarian; as a consequence, I don't buy into trans ideology or some other woke stuff. This combination makes me politically homeless.
From my perspective, canceling, guilt by association, de-platforming, et al. seem to be tactics common to middle school girls cliques. "Um, Becky, Heather saw you talking to Josh by the lunch room. We all agreed that we weren't talking to Josh anymore. If you don't shape up and get in line, I'm going to make 7th grade a living hell for you."
My guess is, and please someone with knowledge in this area correct where I am wrong, that conflict resolution online follows a more typically feminine approach (and possibly age related) where physical threats are not high up on the list of tools to be used. Boys, on the other hand, often use (or used, no idea how common it is now) threats of, or actual violence for conflict resolution. e.g "Shut up Jimmy, or I'll pop you one!" (I was the kid that replied with "oh yeah?! Try it!")
So, ostracization and reputation destruction are more prevalent online and in our preception of society than has been in the past.
As always, what a great conversation with a guest!
I don't always agree with Jordan Peterson but he often talks about how reputation destruction is more commonly a feminine/female tactic. I only name him as someone I specifically remember saying it but I feel like I've heard it from various psychologists in particular about digital discussions on gender/transgender. I've started noticing this with trans women as well that they use more masculine techniques when they're in the room with others. They physically intimidate other ppl whether on purpose or without meaning too and their gender identity at least partially removes the threat that could come back in the other direction so they get free rein.
That was a wonderfully broad discussion but i think the title was not very accurate though . Thank you both
It is so cathartic to see a feminist philosopher bringing the conversation back into a reasonable tone. It's so painful as a man to be called privileged when almost every man I've ever met has been on the verge of breaking their entire adult lives.
What do people think is going to happen if we villainize half the population? If we condemn every healthy thing they could possibly do as an expression of misogyny?
Great conversation that, sadly, never really engages with the question: "Are men ok?"
Because the answer is obviuosly 'no'. Useful question. 'How do we solve this?'
I have an answer. Just destroy the lie 'women get paid less than men for the same work' Stop that, and see.
Nina is so awesome. So bright and passionate, with a bit of a punk attitude.
She is great!
We must question everything, but we must do so honestly, with the only goal being discovering truth
Satanist.
No, men are not okay right now! They need help and support in this society that has been distorted and infiltrated by stupidity masked as intellectual inquiry. Men at the heart of this situation are so precious and beautiful!!!!!!!
Hi. Around 23 minutes in your talking about a polish author. I am trying to find the book but as my spelling is not great it is hard to find on Google. It was some thing like political polyomory. Thanks
I think the book is: Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes by Andrew M. Lobaczewski
Wow Nina Power! She’s super likeable & fun! ❤
Excellent interview!
Power the best.
Thank you for this great conversation , I listened to it whilst walking my dogs in the park , walking through the beautiful falling autumn leaves and listening to your wonderfully interesting conversation has been food for the mind and soul .
Great episode. Thank you.
You’re welcome!
It's amazing how many people, at so many levels of society, have been canceled or ostracized in the past 5, 6 yrs over this desire to reconstruct sex. An incredibly well funded, organized push. Hurting human interactions and understanding.
It's not recent at all just more obvious & overt than 50 years ago . Look at the people that funded Ms magazine or Cosmos & how they were trying to manipulate the culture & women . Social constructionist do not believe in sex differences, even now these "gender critical" people cherry pick science, biological facts to support their arguments .
1:12:40
Ooh ooh I got this one. My father. Mathematician. Catchphrase "love the truth". When I came to understand that I did not believe in god as a teenager, and explained I didn't feel right going to church for something I didn't believe, he just stopped talking to me for a year. Later told me he thought this was a betrayal that he never would get over, despite my saying time and again I couldn't find evidence to convince me of its truth. He wanted me to lie and go through the motions I suppose.
Or years later. He had hit me quite a lot as a child, and at least by his words, did so because he "loved me". Before I became a parent I met my now spouse how told me his parents never hit him, and I started down the rabbit hole of research on what hitting your child does to their brain. While I was still in the beginning of this, having read very little and still kinda was in a camp that some spanking was good, plus knowing that parents parent as they have been parented and his family hit kids too; I wanted someone to hash out the pros and cons with, when I brought up cons he basically said he was done talking to me and hung the phone up.
Love the truth, man. Except when looking in a mirror It might lead to you realizing you may have perpetrated terrible harm on your child. Then you might have to say "sorry" and we wouldn't want that! But I hear is really is a respected mathematician with a dedication to rational thinking!
That was excellent, thanks to you both.
Thank you!
I can’t believe this I was the first like but didn’t notice
I'm really looking forward to watching this. Based solely upon the title of the video, I'll offer my initial reaction to the question posed. No, men are not ok. It has become very clear that it's unacceptable to be a man in any traditional sense and subsequently, men are suffering because of that. Cheers, and thanks for taking the time to bring on such an excellent guest. Time to start watching this.
🙏🏽❤️🫂
29:48 - "I was unemployed for 3 years..." - Nina goes deeper into her story
These two are fascinating together.
41:48 - Where is philosophy happening? - Why I speak to anyone - Nina expounds...
43:49 - Nina: "I think it's also a commitment toward truth" - Peter: "A fearless orientation toward truth" -
43:54 - Nina: "Sometimes what is true is not necessarily popular.... and actually to be commited to the truth, or want to have an orientation towards truth - will, not always, but potentially puts you at odds with whatever the prevailing orthodoxy or dogma is." "An orientation towards truth, especially in the face of cowardice"
45:02 - "And this again is what regime shift - they make you say something you don't believe... That's how they break you. Orwell is correct about this..."
Great discussion on the academic discipline of philosophy.
Thanks!
Brilliant interview
Thank you!
If you were pursuing the goal of achieving ‘justice’, then would it not be ‘just’ to punch a man who had punched a woman (whilst he was pretending to be a woman)?
Wow, I loved this dialogue!!
Thank you!
Excellent discussion. I'm impressed.
Thanks. Nina is terrific!
always a lovely nuanced thought provoking interview. Truly this is open mind old school interviewing. A great service for us today to hear those voices shut out do to this new cult mentality Even if I don't agree totally it always leaves me something to think of.
Thank you!
I strongly disagree with the idea (starting around 48:30) that self-interested animals would have no commitment to truth. A self-interested animal will necessarily seek the truth about the world it finds itself in. If you don't understand your world, how can you pursue your self-interest? Thus a commitment to truth derives directly and necessarily from self-interest.
Ground zero is EDUCATION
Good chat.
Although there was some cringe, the pro immigration/anti corporation made me lol.
I kind of expect everyone to have at least one area where they fall short, I've never met anyone who doesn't have 1 major failing.
Would of been nice to actually have a discussion on men's issues. It's a huge problem that gets hardly any attention.
Women were discussed more in this chat about men.
Around 2014 is when everyone noticed that the clinical narcissists had been hypercharged by social media.
Thats what all this is about, all of our social safety mechanisms against psycopathy have failed.
They had failed long before that. The gender studies program didn't pop up overnight in 2014. This has been setting up for decades, and we only reached a particular boiling point around 2012-2015.
@@iogssothoth666right, that's why I said around 2014 is when everyone "noticed".
@@MrRhetorikill yep, but what they noticed, according to you, is that they have been "hypercharged by social media".
What I am saying is that all that is far older than social media. The issue has nothing to do with social media. Social media only broadcasted the symptoms, but the issue has been there long before, and might have progressed maybe even better without, as it wouldn't have been noticed that much
Just want to remind people that not everyone in the skepticism/atheism crowd fell for this nonsense. I suspect that those who fell were those who came to their atheism for emotional/moral reasons rather than purely emotional/rational ones. Like those who saw the evil done by organized religion and then used logic to rationalize their disbelief.
You have to rationalize belief, not the reverse.
@@mwfmtnman How do you come to that conclusion?
@@PedanticTwit um, logic. Are you serious? It is now called the scientific method. I wasn't born with an inherent knowledge or belief in a God, nor was anyone. They had to be told and convinced to believe that. In other words, they had to rationalize it. The default, bot believing is the factory setting. Not real complicated bro
@@mwfmtnman Ah, you activated my trap card.
(i) You _don't believe_ that got have to rationalize nonbelief, which is itself a nonbelief.
(ii) And here you are, rationalizing it.
(iii) Thus , nonbelief can involve rationalization.
QED
@@PedanticTwit lol. You are ridiculous
Peter - Thank you for helping me. Thank you for introducing me to Heather Mack, Luane Maryoa and Nina. This provides me with the tools to help me defend reality.
I'm happy it helps! Thanks for listening.
@@drpeterboghossian I do have one more comment. I was outraged by what happened to David Sabatini at MIT. He was easy prey to a spiteful woke faculty.
Please take a Big 5 personality test. I convinced Trait Agreeableness will be a great determining factor.
I call my extraordinarily low agreeableness "independantly minded".
I call my extrairdinarily high trait Openess my inquisitive nature.
Unfortunately I'm (consequently) not much chop at trair Conscientiousness!
You mean Peterson's one i assume ?
That was interesting , just did Mr Peterson's .
The name "Nina Power" first appeared to my consciousness in about 2009 when I bought her translation of Badiou's works on Beckett from Amazon: "On Beckett." Then, more recently, she's on the internet. Great stuff. Lovely intelligent British lass. Beautiful.
@ 58:48. This isn't exactly accurate. There are "Pretendians" here in Canada being cancelled for this. Most notably lately Buffy Sainte Marie.
35:02 But the thing is you can’t convince these people to talk to the other side, because everything they believe is wrong. So as soon as they start to talk to the other side they simply won’t be able to back up any of their claims. It’s why they all just shout slogans and won’t engage whatsoever.
I wrote a novel about these subjects. Impossible to get published though. No publisher is interested in a mans story.
The hatred of men in culture nowadays is very troubling, but I also think there is a group of men who have gone into the victim game themselves, which is unhealthy and unhelpful. They always see themselves as blameless and they have a disturbing bitterness toward women, or paint all or most women with the same brush because of some bad apples.
Men who play the victim card or don’t take responsibility have already turned in their man card.
Understanding the differences between men & wmn is important.
Understanding wmn's nature is important.
Understanding the dynamics of relationship between men & wmn is important.
Understanding the law related to men & wmn is important.
Understanding the society we live in is important.
If you look at all that, compare it to what you were told to believe, and find out you're being screwed, then understanding your genuine victimhood is an important stage in coming to terms with reality.
@@OrwellsHousecatyou think men are the only one with genuine victimhood status?? Why do men get social pleading on victimhood?? Seems like you want men to play the victimhood game, the op is arguing against that idea because it’s not about winning or losing. You’re trying to win a debate instead of doing the right thing. The whole point is, if you are a victim, does that also means you get to become the villain? The answer is no, so hating women isn’t a solution.
@@henrytep8884 if that's what you rad into my words then you have a womental illness
@@henrytep8884 Hating men who are trying to figure things out isn’t a solution either.
It can be incredibly difficult to be told, mostly by women, that all of my problems can essentially be summed up as a toxic desire to adhere to an outdated masculine stoicism enforced mainly by other men, and if I would just drop the ego, the machismo, and talk about my emotions like a healthy adult, I wouldn't have any more problems.... And then when I do open up, being told, again mostly by women, that I'm a pathetic whiny man-child who only cares about his selfish wants and desires, that if I was a real man I wouldn't be burdening women with all this extra emotional labor, and I should just shut up and sit in the corner so the women can have the floor.
Feed them to baal. We can fuck succubi
It's called sabotage & torture - that's how wmn treat men.
Yes, essentially unfortunately.@@OrwellsHousecat
Hi, Peter,
Great interview.
I was surprised that you believe the overwhelming number of atheists have been sucked into woke madness. I couldn’t disagree more.
I recall when the woke controversy ran roughshod in the atheist community (atheist+) and how divisive it was.
For example, I lost all respect for Matthew Dillahunty when he came out as a trans-activist and started labeling fellow atheists as transphobic. Quite a few of my friends experienced the same disgust. We could not believe how these self-labeled skeptics could believe biological males could somehow become biological females.
I have found that this disgust response to woke and ‘woke skeptics’ is more common than not.
Dawkins, Harris, and Dennett have no, most prominent UA-camrs have. Almost all atheist orgs have (not Atheists for Liberty).
20:13 you're only aloud to declare trans-racial if you're appropriating American Indian.
A fundamental orientation towards subjective reality only is defined as a personality disorder. It also strikes me that this is exactly how children have been taught to view the world the past ten years in education and in parenting. Feelings prevail.
So what is it about atheists that make them susceptible? It could be that religion provides an external "truth" to relate with vs ones own independent conscience.
PLEASE get Closed Captions/Subtitles WORKING on ALL OF YOUR CONTENT!!!
Well, y'all barely touched on the stated topic, but it was interesting nonetheless. I sadly do not know anyone in real life, aside from myself, who is "fearlessly committed to the truth" (I think is how you phrased it). So that must be an immense luxury to have people like that in your life.
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THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
I get it!
There's an Irony in a person named Nina Power (Girl Power) writing about reempowerimg masculinity.
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She's not talking about 'reempowering masculinity'.
She's just acknowledging some of men's difficulties so they feel heard, then she leads them back to the plantation so her Feminist buddies can exploit them more whilst using their rhetoric against them.
@@OrwellsHousecatfrom her book summary of What DonMen Want, "Something is definitely up with men. From millions online who engage with the manosphere to the #metoo backlash, from Men's Rights activists and incels to spiralling suicide rates, it's easy to see that, while men still rule the world, masculinity is in crisis.
How can men and women live together in a world where capitalism and consumerism has replaced the values - family, religion, service and honour - that used to give our lives meaning? Feminism has gone some way towards dismantling the patriarchy, but how can we hold on to the best aspects of our metaphorical Father?"
@@CaptainPhilosophical thanks for proving my point
@@OrwellsHousecat you haven't made any points just unsupported claims about her intentions and motivations.
I get the feeling that Peter promotes atheism because he confuses the worship of religion with the worship of God. The universities are the modern day tower of babel.
No...they are worse.
Sometimes I get scared thinking about the fact that there are so many highly educated people who are dellusional ! Honestly, the best thing you can do is just laugh at these people, good luck trying to have a debate/converstion that challeneges their beleifs or the status quo. I cant understate the value of art as expression. I think it is the best vessel for free thinking. Wether its a stand up comdy show, photography, poetry, music, etc.... this is where you can find the rawest pursuit of truth. I was born and raised in Portland Oregon and think Peter is doing amazing things with his platform. I would have loved to take a course from him before he left PSU 😂
You should consider having a discussion with Karen Straughan. She was questioning wokism and talking about its issues more than 10years ago, even before it started to gangrene the atheist movement. And I believe she could provide you with an interesting perspective that seems to be missing in the recent anti-woke movements, which are kind of reinventing hot water, retreading ground people like her have covered years before.
Karen Straughan isn't a feminist.
She opposes feminism and genuinely advocates for men.
So can't see this guy ever having her on.
@@sibanought why? He is not a feminist, and has done quite a few things opposing it, too.
Just look at the modern dating market to understand how different the sexes are.
Yes Philosophers sure leave the academy. Please walk away, go into the world and walk around.
reason is not social... reason is an individual thing
Kant was evil
nina who???
50:59 this is an ASD question. She's confused because there are different levels of friendship. Also being friendly is not the same as being friends. When we (ASD) people make friends it's like soul gazing. What you're great at is seeing something in almost everyone you meet worthy of your friendship. This is also very painful, but would a rose smell as sweet without the thorns? (Evolutionarily probably no, but metaphorically).
I like hanging with nerds 💯🎯🙏
Who, us?!
‘People have been hoodwinked by words.’ 💯 Words are spells. It’s all by design 🌀
'You're far more civilized than i thought you were" 😂an attempt at British humor ? Funny either way i should say 🤫
Religion of some kind is inevitable in human culture. I think the moral scaffolding sits within Daniel Kahneman's system 1. It's been astonishing seeing the secular left fall back into religion within one generation.
I think another factor missing from the analysis is castes. Those have also existed across culture and time. If academics and clergy castes were once intertwined, then why are we surprised when some universities start to mirror seminary schools as factories of moral dogma? Once free speech is limited, the transformation of academy to divinty school is swift.
I've also noticed the educated left can be less money focused than the economic right in terms of social proofing. I'm thinking of professors in Subarus compared to entrepreneurs/bankers in Porsches. I suppose once material needs are met, some covet social capital (holiness) garnered from having the "good" beliefs.
Just my $0.02.
Interesting and perceptive comment, and definitely worth more than 2cents.
I'd heard the name Daniel Kahneman, but now I'll have to check him out. Thanks!
@5:15 Euthanasia has absolutely nothing to do with suicide. For shame.
This was a great discussion, but it really had nothing to do with men's issues, even though its title suggested otherwise. Only about 6 minutes out of an 80 minute interview dealt with men, and necessarily did so quite superficially. I mean, we really didn't learn much about Nina's book on men.
Am I right in sensing hesitancy on Peter's part to really delve into a topic that could seriously ruffle feminist feathers. The feminists are known for causing trouble (complaints, public smears, cancellations). Was fear of possible consequences limiting the discussion here?
I do not think that a woman should write a book about what men want.
That is the rethoric used by feminists the other way around. She even says that the books title is a reference to Freud, a famous man, and his conception of women as a whole.
You must be strong enough to hear the opinion of someone who is unlike you. Just as academic feminism became a toxic echo chamber, men's issues conversations risk devolving into these same kinds of distorted realities if female, and dissident male, voices are shunned.
Listen to what she is saying. These are things women should be talking about.
@@ruthhorowitz7625 I commented early... she is probably doing it in a reasonable way... my point is that women should not imagine that they know how men think.
She's written a book entitled what men want, but the subject matter isn't that.
The book is a rhetorical tool. It gets men to feel heard & understood so that they come back to the plantation where wmn can continue exploiting them. She pretty much admits this in other interviews.
I agree. It's garbage.@@OrwellsHousecat
Nina’s awesome.
She is!
I feel sorry for you teachers. It was hard enough teaching kids before, helping them move forward. Now you have to do repair work just to get them back to square one.
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