Chris, thank you so much for letting me interrupt your busy day. I had a great time with you and Tony. Learned quite a bit too! Appreciate the youtube boost too! Until next time brother! Happy New Year!
I have a bunch of saws. An 880, 660, 440, a ported 064, 038 magnum, 034 and a 241c. The saw I reach for first is the 241, with just a 14” bar it rips the full length, it’s so light it feels like a bread knife. It’s only when limbs or stems are larger than 14” I go up a saw. Chain sharpness is key.
Yeah i got that 241cm. Its the super thin chain that makes it fast. It just feels like a well made unit. Hard to describe. Feels better in my hands than a 261, sounds better too.
I started out with cheap homeowner saws and when I bought my first pro saw I never looked back. If your gonna cut any amount of wood Pro level saws are the way to go!
Good morning Chris!! Both of those saws are really sweet!! I really don't think either one of them are broken in yet. Especially Mike's 400. You definitely could have taken the rakers down a couple more strokes. Neither saw was working very hard. But you don't want to make them too aggressive for their rookie owners. Both of the saws need another 5 gallons of fuel put through them and they will really start to wake up. Nice comparison Chris!!😀😀👍👍 Take care my friend!! TTYL!! Logger Al
They take more breaking in than ten minutes? My friend told me to let my new saw warm up on the ground for 5 minutes idling, gently cut maybe 30 forearm sized branches at half-throttle, then it's done. Ready to rip. Broke in.
@@dethmaul not even close. Most of my new saws took 30 to 40 hours for them to really be broken in all the way and depending on the saw sometimes even more.
I bought a ms661 r c m and loved the power and efficiency. I can handle big stuff and scream through little stuff. However it's a bit heavy so I also got a ms400c and it's perfect for the majority of what I cut.
Nice video Chris. I've said it before but you are still the best I've ever seen with the front 1/3 of the bar. Time will be the real test for the pretty Stihls that don't even have the paint wore off the bars. GNI
Great video. I have an MS 290 Farm Boss that is now 10 years old. Just used it all day cutting wood. Still runs like a brand new saw! Absolutely love it
Like wise. I've cut well over 100 cords with my 290 and it runs just as strong as new. Although! My handle is wired together, the chain brake handle is gone, broken off, and a crack in the frame under your throttle hand, and the fuel tank leaks just a wee bit. I'm in the market for a blown 290 for a parts saw, if there is such a thing? But in the mean time I bought myself a brand new 400cm. I've owned it a few months now and haven't even started it yet. I'm looking forward to spring and getting out cutting again.
Great video. I'll still say if you ever consider getting a 60cc saw make sure to try a husky 562xp before buying. You can use same bars and chains on 562xp as your 572xp and 576xp. Myself I own both husky and stihl and love both. And yes the 500i is a screamer but air filtration could be alot better. Seems like my 500i I clean steady but my 562xp and 572xpg I hardly have to clean.
@@heily-3806 I run both husky and stihl pro saws and both are great, but both feel different to. Husky has fatter handlebar and trigger handle which I find grippier and nicer to make notches and back cuts, but husky heavier when limbing. Stihl are lighter and much nicer for limbing for that reason. But as far as power goes both have loads of power and both cut fast.
I have a 562 XP nice and light I cut 100 bush cord last year or 300 face cord but after watching you Chris makes me want another saw so if one gets dull or runs out of gas I can swap and keep cutting
I have my name on the list at the local shop to get a 400 and this video sold me on it. I dont sell firewood, i just cut for me. I dont even heat with wood, but i have about 4 full cords, or 12 face cords if you prefer 🤣 cut, split, and stacked. I want the 400 because my big saw at the moment is a 291 w a 20" bar, and i have 3 big oaks to cut up, and it will just be easier with a longer bar(25") and a more powerful saw. The 291 is a dog in big wood. Works great in 16" and under but not the big stuff.
I have a MS261C it's definitely a Beast with an 18" bar!! It definitely cuts scary fast through small and medium logs and it has lots of low end torque as well. Best investment I've made in the last 2 years hands down!!
@@marcbaker0650 I also have a 2007 MS441 with a 20" bar and Stihl yellow chain. It has much more power and torque than my MS261 but for what I bought the 261 for it does an incredible job! I really want to try out the new MS400C someday it would probably cut more like my 441 with less torque of course
Yea I use the 18” bar while up in the trees when they are to big for my 16” on the 201 but I keep 20” bars for the ones on the ground. 261 weight to power ratio makes it one of the best saws to use. The 500 is great and my buddy’s love them but I just stick with my 661 when cutting stuff big enough for those saws.
The 261 (which I have two of) IS NOT a "beast". If a person thinks that a 50cc saw is a beast, they don't know saws. People use that term "it's a beast" entirely too often.
Chris, I have put brand new Stihl chains on my MS-291 and the saw did not cut good at all. I put the saw in my vise and got out my file and then the saw would make nice long chips. I agree, the factory chain is good enough to get it out of the store - I am not good a chain sharpening but I have learned from UA-cam and various channels to improve the skill - it takes time and understanding to improve - enjoy the journey - cheers
Mike is probably wishing he would have bought the MS500i now! Both are great saws. Would love to see a comparison versus your Husky's! Love videos like this!! Especially with the Stihl saws. :)
Another great video! You are totally correct that each cutter doesn’t have to be the same length. However, the raker on a short cutter needs to also be shorter than the rakers on the longer cutters. If you have a short cutter be sure to use your depth gauge on that one to get it right.
I never use a depth gauge,, just tap each raker with my angle grinder every few sharpening's.. once in awhile I get them a bit low and the chain gets a bit grabby, but keep the revs up and it cuts like nobody's business.
That sharpening seem to make a bit of a difference! I'm surprised his 2 n 1 didnt do a good job, I use a 2 n 1 from the company that makes them for Sthil and it gets my chains cat claw sharp and rakers down. I love mine, I can do my Echo CS 620P with a 24" bar in just a minute or two. My favorite saws are my climbing saw, I have a CS 303T and a CS 355T both Echo and tuned up, both have 14" bars but are light as hell. Love the honest comparisons!
I have the 400c and it is the biggest saw I have ever owned. Having it for a while now I am impressed by the low vibration and power! I bought the 400c for 850.00 in my area so considerably less than the 500. For me less money and weight made sense to go with the 400. I’m sure I would be envious of the power if I ever get a 500 in my hands🤣GNI
I haven’t tested it but I believe my 372 will cut with my 395 in small wood. After you get above 12 inches the 395 definitely faster. The downside is I can cut all day with the 372. The 395 on the other hand wears me out. Great video nothing wrong with the white saws other then for the price of that 500 i you can get 1 and a half 372.
Yep, unicorn. I keep mine on the shelf and only pull it out occasionally like a Sunday hotrod but when I do it makes me feel like a kid every damn time.
If you cut much wood in the woods. I like a big saw for bucking and a lighter saw for limbing Particularly when reaching up for limbs. Love my 261 for limbing. Bucking on a log pile no need for smaller saw.
I have a Stihl MS462c and MS400c. I had a MS362c and a MS261c but I found them both to be way to slow compared to the MS462c and never wanted to use them. The MS400c is not quite as fast as the MS462c but close enough that when I use it I'm not missing the extra speed/power of the MS462c that much. I've been thinking about getting a MS661c but it really is more saw than I need and I'm concerned about the weight. I'm also considering a MS500i but I'm not sure if it's that much faster than the MS462c for the money. Dave
My son has a 661c. Used it the other day told him I would give up cutting if I had to run it all day. I dropped a big pine with it. Bucked logs (5 12 footers) then drove tractor a quarter mile to trade back to my 261 to limb it. Big saws are great bucking and felling but a man killer limbing!
@@markhowes126 I don't do much limbing because 99% of what I cut right now is dead standing or fallen ash. I do get into doing a bit of clearing to make trails to get to the wood and even the 462 is a work out for that. I don't mind a heavier saw and longer bar for bucking and I usually only cut for a few hours per day so maybe the extra weight of a 661 won't be an issue...for a few more years anyway. Dave
#1 is always having a sharp chain , that means the skills to drop down and hand file in the field. Beyond that it's personal preference. I have several pro level saws and always grab my ported light bar 261 as it just light and powerful. I think after all the years of saw work I like saws on the slightly smaller side for the job at hand .
For a long day in the woods the right size saw or one size smaller is nice but then again the bigger saw finishes first. I find that I am always the weak link not the saws!
Haven't ran the 400 yet. At the moment I have no need for one. When I have to replace my 362 I may do so with the 400. When it comes to the 500i, I personally like my 462 better than the 500i.
I would love to run the 400 and see how it compares to my 362.. I just traded my 461 in for the 500i a couple weeks ago.. and wow!! more power, less weight & a little easier starting I really really like the 500i
Hi there just started working for a whole new tree service company, and this new outfit has so many variety of brand and sizes of saws, I fall timber myself and sharpen chains very good, I got to test our saws all out and the stihl 400 is so much better than a 362! Big difference, those 400 are amazing fast and light also, 362 is weak, 500i are amazing, super fast and strong torque, I do know a 400 with either 20 or a 25 inch bar is awesome
I will keep my 372, 572 and 550xp MK 2 thank you. I use skip tooth chains on the big saws, and they cut very fast. Watch Donny Walker's channel for issues they are having with the 500i.
No need for skip-tooth chain until you get into 28in or bigger wood. 24in wood full-comp is faster in 24in wood. Not by much, but is faster. 28in wood the two chain types cut at the same speed. Now in hard dry oak or locust the skip-tooth might be quicker in 24in wood.
As for filling rackers the gauges I have used for 60 years are all hardened steel and I think they are designed to be placed on the saw blade and filed in place.This is a much more accurate way to do rackers and no room for error.
In really fast cutting wood like basswood or pine, especially smaller logs, I prefer my Echo CS-590 over my 572xp. The 572xp cuts too fast in small basswood, feels unsafe/scary gast. The slower Echo CS-590 gives me that feeling of more control over the saw. I also prefer the weight of the CS-590 over the 572xp, so much so that I'm probably going to get it modded. Will be as fast as or faster than the 562xp for less money and just as reliable.
I bought a CS590 and had Iowa Performance Saw's do a muffler mod and retune it and man its a power house for what it is. It eats in hardwood we have here in KY, has tons of torque. I love my Timberwolf
Others may have said it already. But I have found the stihl green link "safety" chain cuts alot less aggressively than the standard yellow link chain. I am also not big fan of the 2 in 1. When I am on my filing game I can tell a noticeable difference between hand filed and the 2 in 1.
I found the 2 in 1 filed the rakers more on one side than the other. I switched to the stihl file with the guide and a separate gauge and file for the rakers, takes longer but better job.
great video and side by side comparison along with the saw sharpening. my first saw was an 029 and it was awesome for limbing and wood up to 10". My Father and i were going to log a property with pretty large fir and Larch and cedar so we traded my 029 in for an 036 which after logging that property has been used ever since for yearly firewood cutting to this day! It is a truly awesome saw so i rebuilt it last year but recently got a Granburg 30" alaskan mill so have been shopping for a new Stihl (afterall a saw that has lasted for over 30 years why wouldnt i stick with another Stihl?) was considering a 500i but i wanted a saw that i can do a combination of felling, linbing and bucking firewood for approx 6hrs. The 400 is just slightly heavier than my 036 but more powerful so i ordered one. watching videos of slightly mod'd 400's with porting and bark box exhaust it looks like a 400 can cut as fast as a stock 500i or very close to it. the 400 should also allow me to do some alaskan milling as well once mod'd and set up with ripping chain! So am thinking the 400 is the best all round Stihl saw available and should be able to relinquish the older yet still fantastic 036 to now being my helpers saw or my back up saw!
Great show. Very informative. Thank you. Over the years I've had people ask to borrow my saw and when I handed it to them I would tell them that the rakers had been filed down. If they asked "what are rakers".? I would tell them what they are for, but I also would put a different chain on (like a factory one that hadn't had touched up rakers) there was always a couple of those around that I didn't care about.
I have a bunch of saws including Stihl, Husqvarna, and Echo but I use my Makita saws the most and they are just a Dolmar. Especially my 6421 love that saw love it even more the I only paid $250 for it lol. Think they are like $650-700 normally but I got mine used but looked like the last owner might have cut a couple face cords with it maybe thing looked new basically still.
Good video Chris after sharpening the 400 you needed to sharpen that 500 you could tell it needed a touching up when you took over!!! You can also tell the guys that come to the wood yard there haven't cut much wood like you lol nothing against them you just have lots more experience with a saw in your hands like Buckin Billy though someone just starting out trying some of them moves will get themselves hurt because they don't know what or how kickback occurs!!!
Seems many guys are a bit intimidated when they cut and climb the pile with a saw. Chris is just on another level when it comes to nimbleness and raw output.
Wow, what a difference in the 400 after Chris touched it up. Fun as usual but graduate-level training on filing and raker height. Gonna dig out my dremel and suit it up for filing. That Tony is a hoot!
Chain makes a big differnece for sure. a 50-60 cc saw 20-24 inch bar and 70cc saw with 28-32 cc makes a great firewood duo.Never hurts to buy the most cc you can when buying a saw.
Chris flat-out gets it done. You're/he's a worker. He also knows a sharp chain. The other two guys, Tony and that other gentleman, well.........I'll leave it at that.
Question what saw do you guys prefer in the stihl line up for bucking and harvesting firewood. I am on the market again I had the ms660 for about 20 years and really liked it. I'm kind of looking at the 500I or the 661. Any suggestions?
Muy buen vídeo, yo tambien afilo con la dremel y el kit de afilado para sierras. Y cuando estoy en el monte si uso el kit de afilado Stihl con la lima, solo para mantener el filo. Ya que con la dremel queda muy bueno el filo, mejor que con la lima.
Dam I’m 31 out here complaining the 25in rolomatic es bar is too heavy for that saw and shopping for a light bar but this old man is out here ripping the thing.
I hope the electronic ignitions are here to stay. Everyone who's ever had a carb let them down should.. Instant throttle, auto adjusts for elevation, best power to weight ratio, such nice saws. The 500 drinks fuel though, and that is an issue for timber fallers and firefighters who pack them in.
Looks great. I would use a nylon net so wood drops down into the net when you cut them. Hard to get net under a pile of wood but if you place net close below you can get some there and use tools to lift or pull wood on to the net.
I use my 400 cm so much more than the 500i. Mainly because the 400 is just smoother. The 500 is nice in the wood, but it has a lot of vibration when walking around with it idling.
Chris, both saws did awesome. Once the 400i was sharpened, you could tell a difference. 3 great people and great video. I have 241 026, 261, 034, 362, 2-660's --those are boat anchors. I would need to sell a few saws before acquiring the 400i or 500i. What would the 400i be compared to in Husqvarna. Now your 572 XP does that compare to the 500i? I wasnt sure, i only own a 460.rancher that was given to me from a family friend! Chris, Tony, And Mike, thanks for the great video and your wealth of knowledge!
I've.been looking into Husqvarna because we have a authorized Seller that is 10 minutes from me. When i accumulated my stihl chainsaws through my firewood business, we had a shop and repair shop close for warranty work. Now we don't. Im thinking about selling a few to upgrade, but it is not like i have to. More like i want to after seeing video's like this!
Tony has the same solution as me. I have 9 saws and then a few more I haven't used in forever, and I want more lol. Just I have them from so many MFGs it can get confusing sometimes with the different starting procedures and locations of switches and all. It hasn't really been much of an issue but it could be if you haven't ran one of them in a long time. I have saws from Stihl, Husqvarna, RedMax just a red Husqvarna, Makita, Echo, John Deere which I think was made by Echo 40 years or so ago, I have an old Homelite I never use and I have a couple others up in the attic above the body shop I haven't used in decades not even sure who makes them lol. I know one is orange and its a real small saw. I didn't know the 400 was out yet. I guess I should watch the whole video first but I was thinking it was a smaller fuel injected saw and I really want one. Same size basically as the Makita DCS6421 that I probably use most of all my saws that is a 65cc saw I believe but its pretty heavy. The bottom end is the same as the 77cc saw so I could put a 77cc top end on it but no point in doing it unless it needs rebuilt. If It ever needs rebuilt I def will might as well have all the power if I have to have all the weight.
I'm wondering what kind of chain he has on the MS400. They love to sell those safety chains which in my opinion are garbage. I just picked up an MS400 about a month ago and it just pulls right through anything I've cut so far. Compared to my MS261 it's a bear. Also with a light bar on it, it's very well balanced, over a lb. lighter than the 500i, and at 2/3 the price I felt it was a bargain. That said, I'm still considering picking up a 500i for the really big stuff.
Happy New Year everyone! I’d love to get a 500i! I’d buy one today for $1400! Try to find one first, then it won’t be at $1400! Supply and demand, plus greed! Sad but true!
if you have different size teeth you just have to make sure the height between the raker and the tooth is the same as each tooth. you dont notice it in smaller stuff like this but once you start cutting some big stumps or somthing if your rakers arent right youll start to cut on an angle same as if one side is sharper then the other.
Great video as always. I have an ms880 it’s heavy but the vibration is a killer, i was wondering is there any difference in the vibration of the 500 and 572. Have been told the 572 is a great saw as far as vibration is concerned thanks.
500i is pretty great for vibration although I believe the general consensus is that the 572 has a better AV system. Or just husky in general I can't tell the difference personally.
Try a better Stihl price at Rural King ! Both saws are Great. Look at Mike's last video with Tony where used a Dremel tool and maybe they did not get it right when they sharping it. Tony turned the Dremel over to Mike and then someone came into his garage and they Stopped working, I think Chris they did not address the raker's. Chris will get it right. HAPPY NEW YEAR ! 😁
I have an ms 261 362 and a ms 500 all with 18 inch bars .my ms 660 has a 20 inch bar I love short bars they go through wood quick I also have an ms 180 and ms 250 with 16 inch bars they all have no problem going through the wood
Lol the only saw I regret ever getting rid of is my old poulan Wood shark. 10 years of heavier than intended use and only 2 minor repairs. Must have got lucky. This video does make me want a 400 and 500, although it makes no sense for me to get either
Yep. Weight! The 500i is a great saw but it’s not an all day saw. Someone posed the not so obvious question before the 500i actually went on sale. That being, the only problem with the the 500i, is that the 462 already exists. And although the 462’s vibration levels are more than either the 500i or 400, it probably is an all day saw. Where the 400 wins, is not on power or grunt but on weight & vibration. Definitely an all day saw 500i - 6.2kg, 5kW, 79.2cc, vib. L4.2 R4 462 - 6.0kg, 4.4kW, 72.2cc, vib. L4.8 R3.6 400 - 5.8kg, 4kW, 66.8cc, vib. L3.5 R3.5 When I got the 500i, the 462 was also on my shortlist, as were the 572/6 and 560/2. I borrowed a 400 a while back but just wasn’t the saw for me. (I also have a 545 Mk1 & 550 Mk2) But needed a saw with more grunt for bigger stems. If I had my time over, I’d have the 462 over the 500i. As it’s not what you have; but what you can do with it that counts.
Nice saws, I guess. I used Stihls for over 30 yrs. Had enough! Fuel injection makes it interesting. Tony still likes it, so after 2? tanks, it hasn't been in the shop, yet! Way to go!! I've had McCulloch, Husqvarna, Red Max, Echo, Homelite, and Jonserred saws. Every one of them was more reliable than the 5 Stihls I had. Makes me so dang jealous, yours start and run!!
I have a 462 stihl and have compared to the 500i and there is not enough difference to me to spend more money on the 500i. My 462 is currently getting worked on it quit oiling so after 2 seasons I’m not to thrilled about that. 200 tanks of gas through it so it has cut quite a bit. What I find most time consuming is splitting and handling which is really a no brainer. I usually cut a tank and than split it and I split by hand so I can get a tank of gas cut and split every hour. I do have a couple husqvarna saws a 562 and a 390. Also which I really like them but I got a huge discount on the 462 through my work or I would not have bought it.
@@TheOMEGANOX the first problem is guys want the latest and greatest, I’ve cut plenty of wood and most wood people cut the difference in cuts with a bigger saw is minimal until you get into real big wood than it will make 2 to 3 minutes a cord difference. I kind of doubt most people that buy a new saw sell the other one.
No matter the saw, you Stihl need a well sharpened chain, break in time on a new saw, and experience as a cutter helps a bunch for efficiency. I give the rakers a couple swipes on new factory Stihl RS chains that are a bit passive for good cutting… probably due to liability concerns. Then they pull good and blow great chips.
@@InTheWoodyard, buying and modifying the Echo 590 makes it as good or better than the 562xp for less money than the 562xp costs. Plus is lighter than the 572xp.
@@InTheWoodyard meanwhile most every large conglomerate corp is raking in records profits every quarter since they started the hikes. Artificial inflation. Stihl is no exception. I haven't gotten a 30 to 40% increase in salary the last 2 years to go with it.
I've been considering the MS400C or a Echo 7310. By the reviews the 7310 seems like a "torque saw" meant for pulling a long bar in big wood, but isn't that fast, and the MS400C is a a screamer, more like a Husky XP series... I've spent (wasted) a lot of time working a 450 Rancher to death and I think it's time for a real saw. Even my Dad's old 359 Husky seems twice as fast as the 450 Rancher.
Awesome video, boys! Hey Chris, what size bit do you use in your dremel for chain sharpening? & do you have a link for that laser measuring device? That's sweet brother! 👍👍
Good question, I start them and let them run while I put on my chaps, helmet and gloves and then gently warm it up until it is running smooth.1-3 minutes.
Chris, thank you so much for letting me interrupt your busy day. I had a great time with you and Tony. Learned quite a bit too! Appreciate the youtube boost too! Until next time brother! Happy New Year!
Thank you for stopping in!
Sharp chain means more than cc , in my opinion .
Yup at least equal!
Not to mention the operator
Agree, seen my 362 with a 25" bar keep up with a 462 25" bar both with RS chains
Have the biggest motor you can hold and it won't cut shit with a full chain. I must agree with ya.
Sharp chain maximizes what cc you have, for sure, but there's no replacement for displacement !
I have a bunch of saws. An 880, 660, 440, a ported 064, 038 magnum, 034 and a 241c. The saw I reach for first is the 241, with just a 14” bar it rips the full length, it’s so light it feels like a bread knife. It’s only when limbs or stems are larger than 14” I go up a saw. Chain sharpness is key.
Yup, sharp matters the most!
Yeah i got that 241cm. Its the super thin chain that makes it fast. It just feels like a well made unit. Hard to describe. Feels better in my hands than a 261, sounds better too.
I started out with cheap homeowner saws and when I bought my first pro saw I never looked back. If your gonna cut any amount of wood Pro level saws are the way to go!
Good call!
Good morning Chris!!
Both of those saws are really sweet!!
I really don't think either one of them are broken in yet. Especially Mike's 400. You definitely could have taken the rakers down a couple more strokes. Neither saw was working very hard. But you don't want to make them too aggressive for their rookie owners. Both of the saws need another 5 gallons of fuel put through them and they will really start to wake up.
Nice comparison Chris!!😀😀👍👍
Take care my friend!! TTYL!!
Logger Al
I agree with that for sure!
They take more breaking in than ten minutes? My friend told me to let my new saw warm up on the ground for 5 minutes idling, gently cut maybe 30 forearm sized branches at half-throttle, then it's done. Ready to rip. Broke in.
@@dethmaul not even close. Most of my new saws took 30 to 40 hours for them to really be broken in all the way and depending on the saw sometimes even more.
@@aldredske6197 Just for clarification? Broken in as not having full power? Or broken in and you shouldn't run it at full throttle yet?
@@truckguy6.7 not having full power.
I bought a ms661 r c m and loved the power and efficiency. I can handle big stuff and scream through little stuff. However it's a bit heavy so I also got a ms400c and it's perfect for the majority of what I cut.
Yup, the 400 is a nice size saw!
Nice video Chris. I've said it before but you are still the best I've ever seen with the front 1/3 of the bar. Time will be the real test for the pretty Stihls that don't even have the paint wore off the bars. GNI
Thanks Larry, yup, they need to be broke in!
Great video. I have an MS 290 Farm Boss that is now 10 years old. Just used it all day cutting wood. Still runs like a brand new saw! Absolutely love it
Nice!!
Like wise. I've cut well over 100 cords with my 290 and it runs just as strong as new. Although! My handle is wired together, the chain brake handle is gone, broken off, and a crack in the frame under your throttle hand, and the fuel tank leaks just a wee bit. I'm in the market for a blown 290 for a parts saw, if there is such a thing? But in the mean time I bought myself a brand new 400cm. I've owned it a few months now and haven't even started it yet. I'm looking forward to spring and getting out cutting again.
Great video. I'll still say if you ever consider getting a 60cc saw make sure to try a husky 562xp before buying. You can use same bars and chains on 562xp as your 572xp and 576xp. Myself I own both husky and stihl and love both. And yes the 500i is a screamer but air filtration could be alot better. Seems like my 500i I clean steady but my 562xp and 572xpg I hardly have to clean.
I have run a 562 and I would much rather run a 572
Nothing worse than a husky fanboy! if you love huskies then why aren’t you watching a husky video?
@@heily-3806 I run both husky and stihl pro saws and both are great, but both feel different to. Husky has fatter handlebar and trigger handle which I find grippier and nicer to make notches and back cuts, but husky heavier when limbing. Stihl are lighter and much nicer for limbing for that reason. But as far as power goes both have loads of power and both cut fast.
I have a 562 XP nice and light I cut 100 bush cord last year or 300 face cord but after watching you Chris makes me want another saw so if one gets dull or runs out of gas I can swap and keep cutting
I run three saws. Husqvarna 572xp and 550xp, plus the Echo CS-590. It is nice having three saws ready to go.
Yes! Get a 572 and switch back and forth to give them a break and to get more done!
Both saws look amazing. Great video!
They are!
I have my name on the list at the local shop to get a 400 and this video sold me on it. I dont sell firewood, i just cut for me. I dont even heat with wood, but i have about 4 full cords, or 12 face cords if you prefer 🤣 cut, split, and stacked. I want the 400 because my big saw at the moment is a 291 w a 20" bar, and i have 3 big oaks to cut up, and it will just be easier with a longer bar(25") and a more powerful saw. The 291 is a dog in big wood. Works great in 16" and under but not the big stuff.
For your application, very good choice!
I have a MS261C it's definitely a Beast with an 18" bar!! It definitely cuts scary fast through small and medium logs and it has lots of low end torque as well. Best investment I've made in the last 2 years hands down!!
Yup, that is a nice saw!
Run a 500i or any big saw and you will be blown away then. I have a 261 also but it is a child’s toy compared to a my 500 or 660.
@@marcbaker0650 I also have a 2007 MS441 with a 20" bar and Stihl yellow chain. It has much more power and torque than my MS261 but for what I bought the 261 for it does an incredible job! I really want to try out the new MS400C someday it would probably cut more like my 441 with less torque of course
Yea I use the 18” bar while up in the trees when they are to big for my 16” on the 201 but I keep 20” bars for the ones on the ground. 261 weight to power ratio makes it one of the best saws to use. The 500 is great and my buddy’s love them but I just stick with my 661 when cutting stuff big enough for those saws.
The 261 (which I have two of) IS NOT a "beast". If a person thinks that a 50cc saw is a beast, they don't know saws. People use that term "it's a beast" entirely too often.
You can tell who has the most experience of you all here I love them saws
They are nice saws!
Chris, I have put brand new Stihl chains on my MS-291 and the saw did not cut good at all. I put the saw in my vise and got out my file and then the saw would make nice long chips. I agree, the factory chain is good enough to get it out of the store - I am not good a chain sharpening but I have learned from UA-cam and various channels to improve the skill - it takes time and understanding to improve - enjoy the journey - cheers
Yes, you can get them sharper for sure! Thanks for watching Bob!
Go buy the Stihl 2 in 1 file, it works and makes it easy
Mike is probably wishing he would have bought the MS500i now! Both are great saws. Would love to see a comparison versus your Husky's! Love videos like this!! Especially with the Stihl saws. :)
We will do that some day!
I just picked up a MS 400c and can’t wait to get it in some wood soon !
Nice! That is a great all around saw!
@@InTheWoodyard thanks brother !
Another great video! You are totally correct that each cutter doesn’t have to be the same length. However, the raker on a short cutter needs to also be shorter than the rakers on the longer cutters. If you have a short cutter be sure to use your depth gauge on that one to get it right.
Yes, the depth gauge matters!
I never use a depth gauge,, just tap each raker with my angle grinder every few sharpening's.. once in awhile I get them a bit low and the chain gets a bit grabby, but keep the revs up and it cuts like nobody's business.
Stop jackhammering your wood, get a gauge
That sharpening seem to make a bit of a difference! I'm surprised his 2 n 1 didnt do a good job, I use a 2 n 1 from the company that makes them for Sthil and it gets my chains cat claw sharp and rakers down. I love mine, I can do my Echo CS 620P with a 24" bar in just a minute or two. My favorite saws are my climbing saw, I have a CS 303T and a CS 355T both Echo and tuned up, both have 14" bars but are light as hell. Love the honest comparisons!
The best saws are the ones that are sharp and run!
Y666y6y
I have the 400c and it is the biggest saw I have ever owned. Having it for a while now I am impressed by the low vibration and power! I bought the 400c for 850.00 in my area so considerably less than the 500. For me less money and weight made sense to go with the 400. I’m sure I would be envious of the power if I ever get a 500 in my hands🤣GNI
500i is far superior than the 400. Extremely hard to get tho
@@sffabrications3872 my dealer had a 500 sit a long time and all the other’s models were sold out
The 400 is nice but try both side by side and your eyes will get big!
Yup!
I haven’t tested it but I believe my 372 will cut with my 395 in small wood. After you get above 12 inches the 395 definitely faster. The downside is I can cut all day with the 372. The 395 on the other hand wears me out. Great video nothing wrong with the white saws other then for the price of that 500 i you can get 1 and a half 372.
Great point! I agree!
I run a ms 260 and I love it for the fact that it's light and felling trees 🌳
Yes they are good saws!
that 500 is a completely different beast. sounds different than a 462. got its own hollow tone. what a cutter.
Yes! It sure is!
Yep, unicorn. I keep mine on the shelf and only pull it out occasionally like a Sunday hotrod but when I do it makes me feel like a kid every damn time.
If you cut much wood in the woods. I like a big saw for bucking and a lighter saw for limbing Particularly when reaching up for limbs. Love my 261 for limbing. Bucking on a log pile no need for smaller saw.
Yup, that sounds right!
I have a Stihl MS462c and MS400c. I had a MS362c and a MS261c but I found them both to be way to slow compared to the MS462c and never wanted to use them. The MS400c is not quite as fast as the MS462c but close enough that when I use it I'm not missing the extra speed/power of the MS462c that much. I've been thinking about getting a MS661c but it really is more saw than I need and I'm concerned about the weight. I'm also considering a MS500i but I'm not sure if it's that much faster than the MS462c for the money. Dave
My son has a 661c. Used it the other day told him I would give up cutting if I had to run it all day. I dropped a big pine with it. Bucked logs (5 12 footers) then drove tractor a quarter mile to trade back to my 261 to limb it. Big saws are great bucking and felling but a man killer limbing!
@@markhowes126 I don't do much limbing because 99% of what I cut right now is dead standing or fallen ash. I do get into doing a bit of clearing to make trails to get to the wood and even the 462 is a work out for that. I don't mind a heavier saw and longer bar for bucking and I usually only cut for a few hours per day so maybe the extra weight of a 661 won't be an issue...for a few more years anyway. Dave
That is what I have heard too.
YES! You are right about that!
Yes, I like speed too, get done faster!
Tony is so well trained! Fun guys real fun.
#1 is always having a sharp chain , that means the skills to drop down and hand file in the field.
Beyond that it's personal preference. I have several pro level saws and always grab my ported light bar 261 as it just light and powerful. I think after all the years of saw work I like saws on the slightly smaller side for the job at hand .
For a long day in the woods the right size saw or one size smaller is nice but then again the bigger saw finishes first. I find that I am always the weak link not the saws!
Haven't ran the 400 yet. At the moment I have no need for one. When I have to replace my 362 I may do so with the 400. When it comes to the 500i, I personally like my 462 better than the 500i.
I have heard that the 462 and the 500 are very similar.
Like Buckin Billy Ray mentioned " I think the 500I has a problem it's the 462" 😂
Good night Irene! LOL You got em trained well Chris.
I am working on it!
I would love to run the 400 and see how it compares to my 362.. I just traded my 461 in for the 500i a couple weeks ago.. and wow!! more power, less weight & a little easier starting
I really really like the 500i
Good choice!The 400 is much slower, the 500 is a screamer!
Love my 361 which has been the best saw ever for the past 15 yrs, now owning a 500i has made it the redheaded step child
Love my 462cm!! To me Joe firewood cutter it's a beast!
Hi there just started working for a whole new tree service company, and this new outfit has so many variety of brand and sizes of saws, I fall timber myself and sharpen chains very good, I got to test our saws all out and the stihl 400 is so much better than a 362! Big difference, those 400 are amazing fast and light also, 362 is weak, 500i are amazing, super fast and strong torque, I do know a 400 with either 20 or a 25 inch bar is awesome
@@montanawildman8600do they have any 462's?
And if they do, whats your opinion between the 500i and a 462?
Nice comparison of the 400 and 500. Once you sharpened they cut better. Have a Safe Day
Thanks David!
I will keep my 372, 572 and 550xp MK 2 thank you. I use skip tooth chains on the big saws, and they cut very fast. Watch Donny Walker's channel for issues they are having with the 500i.
No need for skip-tooth chain until you get into 28in or bigger wood. 24in wood full-comp is faster in 24in wood. Not by much, but is faster. 28in wood the two chain types cut at the same speed. Now in hard dry oak or locust the skip-tooth might be quicker in 24in wood.
Me to, but the 500 really cuts!
@@thefirewooddoctor True if you have small limbs skip tooth chain will pull them instead of cutting. Skip tooth maybe a little faster to sharpen.
As for filling rackers the gauges I have used for 60 years are all hardened steel and I think they are designed to be placed on the saw blade and filed in place.This is a much more accurate way to do rackers and no room for error.
Yes but they do not take off as much as I like.
@@InTheWoodyard but you don’t explain this is your choice not the norm. Justsayin
In really fast cutting wood like basswood or pine, especially smaller logs, I prefer my Echo CS-590 over my 572xp. The 572xp cuts too fast in small basswood, feels unsafe/scary gast. The slower Echo CS-590 gives me that feeling of more control over the saw. I also prefer the weight of the CS-590 over the 572xp, so much so that I'm probably going to get it modded. Will be as fast as or faster than the 562xp for less money and just as reliable.
Yes love my CS-670 24"
I like speed!
I got the echo 620pw a few months ago its a great saw .
I bought a CS590 and had Iowa Performance Saw's do a muffler mod and retune it and man its a power house for what it is. It eats in hardwood we have here in KY, has tons of torque. I love my Timberwolf
Next time I'm in the woodyard we gotta invite Tony with his fancy 500i!! GNI
Yes!!!
Others may have said it already. But I have found the stihl green link "safety" chain cuts alot less aggressively than the standard yellow link chain. I am also not big fan of the 2 in 1. When I am on my filing game I can tell a noticeable difference between hand filed and the 2 in 1.
Safety chain suck.
The green chain is normally for home owner saws or people with less experience
I found the 2 in 1 filed the rakers more on one side than the other. I switched to the stihl file with the guide and a separate gauge and file for the rakers, takes longer but better job.
A 661 and a 400 is a perfect combo imo
nice choice!
great video and side by side comparison along with the saw sharpening. my first saw was an 029 and it was awesome for limbing and wood up to 10". My Father and i were going to log a property with pretty large fir and Larch and cedar so we traded my 029 in for an 036 which after logging that property has been used ever since for yearly firewood cutting to this day! It is a truly awesome saw so i rebuilt it last year but recently got a Granburg 30" alaskan mill so have been shopping for a new Stihl (afterall a saw that has lasted for over 30 years why wouldnt i stick with another Stihl?) was considering a 500i but i wanted a saw that i can do a combination of felling, linbing and bucking firewood for approx 6hrs. The 400 is just slightly heavier than my 036 but more powerful so i ordered one. watching videos of slightly mod'd 400's with porting and bark box exhaust it looks like a 400 can cut as fast as a stock 500i or very close to it. the 400 should also allow me to do some alaskan milling as well once mod'd and set up with ripping chain! So am thinking the 400 is the best all round Stihl saw available and should be able to relinquish the older yet still fantastic 036 to now being my helpers saw or my back up saw!
Yup,l nice saws!
“I have a 592 coming” says every guy in the US right now 🤣
Fast forward to 2023 we’ll be saying the same thing
Yup, I just heard that it is not going to be February, most likely June!!!!!!!!!
Great show.
Very informative. Thank you.
Over the years I've had people ask to borrow my saw and when I handed it to them I would tell them that the rakers had been filed down. If they asked "what are rakers".? I would tell them what they are for, but I also would put a different chain on (like a factory one that hadn't had touched up rakers) there was always a couple of those around that I didn't care about.
That was a mistake, handing someone a saw is like handing them a loaded gun!! I bet they can back dull as a bowling ball! HA!
@@InTheWoodyard
Yeah, if I remember correctly, that was the only time he used my saw. I think he used it for roto tiller or something.?
Another good video with 2 good guys and 1 great guy from out of state. 😁👍
See you next on the other side of 2021..
Thanks 👍
Valuable and entertaining - especially when the animal hit the pile.
Thanks for watching Kenny!
Get the gullet friends. Us Dolmar guys are like… these guys haven’t run a pro saw yet😆
I have a bunch of saws including Stihl, Husqvarna, and Echo but I use my Makita saws the most and they are just a Dolmar. Especially my 6421 love that saw love it even more the I only paid $250 for it lol. Think they are like $650-700 normally but I got mine used but looked like the last owner might have cut a couple face cords with it maybe thing looked new basically still.
The chain needs to be sharp!
Nice, sounds like a great saw!
Good video Chris after sharpening the 400 you needed to sharpen that 500 you could tell it needed a touching up when you took over!!! You can also tell the guys that come to the wood yard there haven't cut much wood like you lol nothing against them you just have lots more experience with a saw in your hands like Buckin Billy though someone just starting out trying some of them moves will get themselves hurt because they don't know what or how kickback occurs!!!
Seems many guys are a bit intimidated when they cut and climb the pile with a saw. Chris is just on another level when it comes to nimbleness and raw output.
Thanks for watching Kevin!
Thanks
@@InTheWoodyard Hope you have Happy New Year Chris
Wow, what a difference in the 400 after Chris touched it up. Fun as usual but graduate-level training on filing and raker height. Gonna dig out my dremel and suit it up for filing. That Tony is a hoot!
Yup, all saws that are sharp and run well are nice to work with!
Chain makes a big differnece for sure. a 50-60 cc saw 20-24 inch bar and 70cc saw with 28-32 cc makes a great firewood duo.Never hurts to buy the most cc you can when buying a saw.
Yup, I like the 70 cc size best.
Chris flat-out gets it done. You're/he's a worker. He also knows a sharp chain. The other two guys, Tony and that other gentleman, well.........I'll leave it at that.
Tony and Mike are great guys!
Looks like Mike is heading to a trade in….Great vid!
Maybe, but the 400 is very nice!
@@InTheWoodyard oh yeah how can ya beat a stihl or husky. I remember as a kid struggling with mcculloch and homelite XL…. Different world.
Good sharpening Chris! Stihl has a new hex file chain coming out that's more like a square - round hybrid.
Thanks Aaron!
Question what saw do you guys prefer in the stihl line up for bucking and harvesting firewood. I am on the market again I had the ms660 for about 20 years and really liked it. I'm kind of looking at the 500I or the 661. Any suggestions?
The 661 is a great saw but the 462 and the 500 are awesome too. Any of them are good saws.
@InTheWoodyard out of the 661 and the 500 which do you think is more reliable?
Awesome like the saws. Shout out to the echo Timberwolf runs great and she's chews through Hardwood like butter for the application that I need it
The ECHOs are very nice saws, I would like to try more of them!
Muy buen vídeo, yo tambien afilo con la dremel y el kit de afilado para sierras. Y cuando estoy en el monte si uso el kit de afilado Stihl con la lima, solo para mantener el filo. Ya que con la dremel queda muy bueno el filo, mejor que con la lima.
Thanks for watching!
Dam I’m 31 out here complaining the 25in rolomatic es bar is too heavy for that saw and shopping for a light bar but this old man is out here ripping the thing.
I am exactly twice as old as you! You can do whatever you want to if you want it bad enough!
I finally got my ms400 I really enjoy that chainsaw
Nice!
New nickname for you Chris, Cat Claw Sharp Chris. A sharp chain is the only way to compare a saw.
Thanks and yes....sharp!
Happy New year from the UK Chris, great video yet again. Keep em coming. Both great saws there. 👍🏻
Happy new year Edward! Thanks!
I hope the electronic ignitions are here to stay. Everyone who's ever had a carb let them down should.. Instant throttle, auto adjusts for elevation, best power to weight ratio, such nice saws. The 500 drinks fuel though, and that is an issue for timber fallers and firefighters who pack them in.
Yes that is true, but the 500 really cuts!
Looks great. I would use a nylon net so wood drops down into the net when you cut them. Hard to get net under a pile of wood but if you place net close below you can get some there and use tools to lift or pull wood on to the net.
Maybe so!
👍👍👍👍👍 отличные пилы. Мне нравятся больше 440, 460, 880, жалко что перестали выпускать их. Они качественные и надёжнее этих.
Thanks for watching ARNI!
I use my 400 cm so much more than the 500i. Mainly because the 400 is just smoother. The 500 is nice in the wood, but it has a lot of vibration when walking around with it idling.
Both nice saws!!!
Ha - Chris - we are getting old! I have the same light hung above my chain saw sharpening area so I can see my chain.
More light is better!
The laser's a neat idea!
Yes, I am going to give it a try.
What is that bit you have in your Dremel? Or did you take a file and spin it down on a lathe?
It is a Oregon 7/32 stone made for sharpening chains on saws, it is easy and works great.
Great information video Chris Thank's for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
400cm with Bark Box all day long. For the price, if going bigger, go with the 592xp for same $$$ as 500i. The 500i is a high priced niche saw.
Yup!
Awesome video!
Thanks!!
G’afternoon Chris. She cuts Eh ? Wonderful vid. Nice cuttin. GoodNightIrene
Yes, thanks!
Chris, both saws did awesome. Once the 400i was sharpened, you could tell a difference. 3 great people and great video. I have 241 026, 261, 034, 362, 2-660's --those are boat anchors. I would need to sell a few saws before acquiring the 400i or 500i.
What would the 400i be compared to in Husqvarna. Now your 572 XP does that compare to the 500i? I wasnt sure, i only own a 460.rancher that was given to me from a family friend! Chris, Tony, And Mike, thanks for the great video and your wealth of knowledge!
The 500 is a lot like my 572 and 576 saws. A screamer!
I've.been looking into Husqvarna because we have a authorized Seller that is 10 minutes from me. When i accumulated my stihl chainsaws through my firewood business, we had a shop and repair shop close for warranty work. Now we don't. Im thinking about selling a few to upgrade, but it is not like i have to. More like i want to after seeing video's like this!
400i ???
@@rolandfeuz2306 should be 400c not 400i
Tony has the same solution as me. I have 9 saws and then a few more I haven't used in forever, and I want more lol. Just I have them from so many MFGs it can get confusing sometimes with the different starting procedures and locations of switches and all. It hasn't really been much of an issue but it could be if you haven't ran one of them in a long time. I have saws from Stihl, Husqvarna, RedMax just a red Husqvarna, Makita, Echo, John Deere which I think was made by Echo 40 years or so ago, I have an old Homelite I never use and I have a couple others up in the attic above the body shop I haven't used in decades not even sure who makes them lol. I know one is orange and its a real small saw. I didn't know the 400 was out yet. I guess I should watch the whole video first but I was thinking it was a smaller fuel injected saw and I really want one. Same size basically as the Makita DCS6421 that I probably use most of all my saws that is a 65cc saw I believe but its pretty heavy. The bottom end is the same as the 77cc saw so I could put a 77cc top end on it but no point in doing it unless it needs rebuilt. If It ever needs rebuilt I def will might as well have all the power if I have to have all the weight.
More power is good!
The 400 sounds much nicer in my opinion. The operator handle the saws like a pro.
They both cut nice but the 500 is way faster. Thanks, I cut a lot.
I'm wondering what kind of chain he has on the MS400. They love to sell those safety chains which in my opinion are garbage. I just picked up an MS400 about a month ago and it just pulls right through anything I've cut so far. Compared to my MS261 it's a bear. Also with a light bar on it, it's very well balanced, over a lb. lighter than the 500i, and at 2/3 the price I felt it was a bargain. That said, I'm still considering picking up a 500i for the really big stuff.
The 500 is much faster.
Happy New Year everyone! I’d love to get a 500i! I’d buy one today for $1400! Try to find one first, then it won’t be at $1400! Supply and demand, plus greed! Sad but true!
Yes they are in demand!
if you have different size teeth you just have to make sure the height between the raker and the tooth is the same as each tooth. you dont notice it in smaller stuff like this but once you start cutting some big stumps or somthing if your rakers arent right youll start to cut on an angle same as if one side is sharper then the other.
Yes, good point!
Great video as always. I have an ms880 it’s heavy but the vibration is a killer, i was wondering is there any difference in the vibration of the 500 and 572. Have been told the 572 is a great saw as far as vibration is concerned thanks.
500i is pretty great for vibration although I believe the general consensus is that the 572 has a better AV system. Or just husky in general I can't tell the difference personally.
@@dodgyhodgie734 Thanks for the information.
To me both saws are very similar.
Yup!
What size dremal bit do you use for the chains?
I use the OREGON 7/32 stone bits for my size chain about $6-7 for 3
Can you please leave a link to the stones you use to sharpen these saws? Thanks!
They are Oregon 7/32 stones , you can get them at any saw shop or hardware store.
Try a better Stihl price at Rural King ! Both saws are Great. Look at Mike's last video with Tony where used a Dremel tool and maybe they did not get it right when they sharping it. Tony turned the Dremel over to Mike and then someone came into his garage and they Stopped working, I think Chris they did not address the raker's. Chris will get it right. HAPPY NEW YEAR ! 😁
Thanks Stanley!
Nice jobs 👍👍
Thanks!
I have an ms 261 362 and a ms 500 all with 18 inch bars .my ms 660 has a 20 inch bar I love short bars they go through wood quick I also have an ms 180 and ms 250 with 16 inch bars they all have no problem going through the wood
I used to have 20" bars but after trying a 24" bar I switched to all 24" and I am glad I did.
Nice comparison. I still think a 266xp is the GOAT firewood saw.
A lot of loggers think the Husqvarna 372 is the best all around saw.
Lol the only saw I regret ever getting rid of is my old poulan Wood shark. 10 years of heavier than intended use and only 2 minor repairs. Must have got lucky. This video does make me want a 400 and 500, although it makes no sense for me to get either
I love the 500!!!!
@@InTheWoodyard ahhh don't tell me that! I already have a 462 and 660. Definitely can't justify the purchase for just doing landscaping.
I usually use a big saw till I tired. I then eat lunch and grab a smaller saw.
Yup, that is a good plan!
Yep. Weight! The 500i is a great saw but it’s not an all day saw. Someone posed the not so obvious question before the 500i actually went on sale. That being, the only problem with the the 500i, is that the 462 already exists. And although the 462’s vibration levels are more than either the 500i or 400, it probably is an all day saw. Where the 400 wins, is not on power or grunt but on weight & vibration. Definitely an all day saw
500i - 6.2kg, 5kW, 79.2cc, vib. L4.2 R4
462 - 6.0kg, 4.4kW, 72.2cc, vib. L4.8 R3.6
400 - 5.8kg, 4kW, 66.8cc, vib. L3.5 R3.5
When I got the 500i, the 462 was also on my shortlist, as were the 572/6 and 560/2. I borrowed a 400 a while back but just wasn’t the saw for me. (I also have a 545 Mk1 & 550 Mk2) But needed a saw with more grunt for bigger stems. If I had my time over, I’d have the 462 over the 500i. As it’s not what you have; but what you can do with it that counts.
They are all nice saws!
Happy New Year Chris!! your brothers too!!
Same to you!
What video do you talk about that laser in? I'm really interested in it.
I just shot a new one with it the other day, it will be out soon!
Nice saws, I guess. I used Stihls for over 30 yrs. Had enough! Fuel injection makes it interesting. Tony still likes it, so after 2? tanks, it hasn't been in the shop, yet! Way to go!! I've had McCulloch, Husqvarna, Red Max, Echo, Homelite, and Jonserred saws. Every one of them was more reliable than the 5 Stihls I had. Makes me so dang jealous, yours start and run!!
I have heard some of the 500s have issues, Tonys runs great. It is a screamer.
The 500i is designed for cutting bigger timber, I'd use the 400c for that job.
Yup maybe so but fast is good!
I have a 462 stihl and have compared to the 500i and there is not enough difference to me to spend more money on the 500i. My 462 is currently getting worked on it quit oiling so after 2 seasons I’m not to thrilled about that. 200 tanks of gas through it so it has cut quite a bit. What I find most time consuming is splitting and handling which is really a no brainer. I usually cut a tank and than split it and I split by hand so I can get a tank of gas cut and split every hour. I do have a couple husqvarna saws a 562 and a 390. Also which I really like them but I got a huge discount on the 462 through my work or I would not have bought it.
Yes, the 462 is a great saw, a lot say just as good as the 500!
I don’t know anyone that had a 462 and got a 500 and didn’t sell the 462.
@@TheOMEGANOX the first problem is guys want the latest and greatest, I’ve cut plenty of wood and most wood people cut the difference in cuts with a bigger saw is minimal until you get into real big wood than it will make 2 to 3 minutes a cord difference. I kind of doubt most people that buy a new saw sell the other one.
No matter the saw, you Stihl need a well sharpened chain, break in time on a new saw, and experience as a cutter helps a bunch for efficiency. I give the rakers a couple swipes on new factory Stihl RS chains that are a bit passive for good cutting… probably due to liability concerns. Then they pull good and blow great chips.
I like a little more off the rakers myself!
@@InTheWoodyard heck ya! Even just a bit grabby.
You should have Gary Buxton mod one of your 572xp saws and see how you like a modded saw. I'll bring my Echo to your woodyard once it is done.
What do you gain?
@@InTheWoodyard, buying and modifying the Echo 590 makes it as good or better than the 562xp for less money than the 562xp costs. Plus is lighter than the 572xp.
What a difference
Yes, both saws are nice but the 500 is a screamer. And a sharp saw is a good saw!
Bang for the buck 400 is better. Did a muffler mod and did the carb calibration and for the size it cuts really nice. 20" standard bar
I ran the 462,400 and the 500 the 500 is much faster and the 462 is close.
@@InTheWoodyard my ported 562 husky kills the 400c I bought.
Here in the UK the Stihl 500i is a £1000+ machine,,I would be interested in the price over there??
I believe $1400-$1500 US
@@InTheWoodyard so almost the same price,,which is good to know..
What length do you cut your wood to? Love the videos! Keep up the great work!!
16" Thanks for watching!
Love the rooster tail of chips the Big brother throws out
Yes it does that!
That 500 is 1600+ now. Hell of an increase in just a year or so.
Yup, and food costs are up 30-40% for everyone!
@@InTheWoodyard meanwhile most every large conglomerate corp is raking in records profits every quarter since they started the hikes. Artificial inflation. Stihl is no exception. I haven't gotten a 30 to 40% increase in salary the last 2 years to go with it.
I've been considering the MS400C or a Echo 7310. By the reviews the 7310 seems like a "torque saw" meant for pulling a long bar in big wood, but isn't that fast, and the MS400C is a a screamer, more like a Husky XP series... I've spent (wasted) a lot of time working a 450 Rancher to death and I think it's time for a real saw. Even my Dad's old 359 Husky seems twice as fast as the 450 Rancher.
A 400c is a very nice saw.
Try a 572 husky too, same price and faster
Yup!
@@InTheWoodyard I need to go to a dealer and look at them, I’d prefer a Husky. Everywhere I look online the 572xp is $1000+ and the other 2 are $850
Awesome video, boys! Hey Chris, what size bit do you use in your dremel for chain sharpening? & do you have a link for that laser measuring device? That's sweet brother! 👍👍
I use a 7/32 Oregon bit. The laser device is new, it was on Tonys saw, I am getting one soon!
@@InTheWoodyard thanks! 👍
What do you do to warm your saws up?
Good question, I start them and let them run while I put on my chaps, helmet and gloves and then gently warm it up until it is running smooth.1-3 minutes.
You know that thing you were pushing against will actually hold the saw while you work on it.
yup