Just did my C&P exam today for Primary Insomnia with a direct SC. I had in service treatment for insomnia. The examiner also diagnosed major depressive disorder and panic disorder, but noted in the DBQ that insomnia was a stand alone condition that manifested separately before the others. Also checked the "Occupational and social impairment with deficiencies in most areas, such as work, school, family relations, judgment, thinking and/or mood" box. Looking at the M21-1, that should be all that's required. Documented in service record and that it is a condition not caused by another.
I just had a C&P exam on the 29th for (Back pain, headaches, joint pain, etc) and during my exam I mentioned my lower back pain caused me to have trouble sleeping The next day I had a MH evaluation that was only supposed to be for Insomnia but during the duration of the eval it progressed into the Examiner telling me there were notes and sleep charts done during my time in service that showed my trouble sleeping. He told me due to my answers+my records that Insomnia was definitely apparent but that it could be due to a multitude of things (Depression and Anxiety, Tinnitus, Back pain, TBI causing headaches, etc) I'll be interested to see which disability they attach it to
What if I already have Insomnia 100% service connected back dated to Mar ‘23. It’s not a secondary but, on the award letter it states no further testing will be required for condition. Do these new changes affect the rating?
If I am rated for depression & anxiety I can’t claim insomnia right? I have shared with the VA that I suffer from this due to my lack of ability to sleep. Thanks for the great content.
So if I'm at 50 % for ptsd I can fill insomnia as a secondary and the va will just combine it with the current rating and maybe boost the ptsd? Or will it be a separate diagnosis of insomnia with its rating? I've been on insomnia medication now for over 10 years connected to my PTSD, and the word insomnia is in every page listed in my records but tied to the ptsd..but I never filed insomnia because it was under the impression it was a symptom of the ptsd
Insomnia for you as a VA rating is nothing. You’re already SC’d for PTSD and would require an increase. Check this: ua-cam.com/video/7zb7UfYHdc0/v-deo.htmlsi=pomUSpKD2bXrWt1u - Clay
So I got diagnosed with left shoulder tendonitis in 2014 when I left the military for which I have a 10% rating for. Lately the pain in my shoulder has become so bad (I think it may be arthritis now) that it keeps me up at night to where I get about 4 hours of sleep per night. I have an appointment with my PCM to have him look at it and I’m going to get him to fill out a DBQ for an increase. Can I claim insomnia as a secondary to my shoulder pain?
Back in July 2024 i filed an increase on my unspecified insomnia disorder. Which i was awarded 0% service connected. I am rated 30% for sleep apnea and about 40% percent for my hip injury. When i did my C&P back in July he followed the MH percent standards. It’s like he was evaluating it on MH and not secondary to what i already have. My question is would it still be insomnia on its own with the new regs since it’s an increase or I’m going to be rated under MH. Since I’m on meds for MH and also take therapy these changes are confusing.
So if im secondary for a condition and im going to a c&p for an increase, does that chsnge to a primary or will they take away my already secondary condition
I might have misheard, but some people were saying that if your primary condition (like IBS for example) is service connected and you have insomnia because of that. It is okay? Is that not true? If anything I already have insomnia I'm my service treatment records and my stomach has nothing to do with it. I also got formal diagnosis as well. So I can definitely get insomnia as a service connected disability on its own, non secondary.
According to the changes if you have a stand alone diagnosis there is nothing to worry about. Getting a diagnosis in service is pretty much the gold standard for a direct service connection claim.
It sounds like the va is making it more specific. There just removing insomnia out of the umbrella term of mental health currently is. Example Depression secondary to x condition w/ insomnia. We might not have anything to worry about unless the isn't causing other mental condition.
If you file a back claim for example, disc degenerative disease. You also file for disc bulge arthritis and maybe spondylolisthesis the VA will combine every one of those things into one rating for your back. The highest rating you can get is 40% now if you add insomnia as a secondary to all the mess you have in your back you will still be rated at 40% with disc degenerative disease with insomnia. This is definitely not a benefit to the Veterans.
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Just did my C&P exam today for Primary Insomnia with a direct SC. I had in service treatment for insomnia. The examiner also diagnosed major depressive disorder and panic disorder, but noted in the DBQ that insomnia was a stand alone condition that manifested separately before the others. Also checked the "Occupational and social impairment with deficiencies in most areas, such as work, school, family relations, judgment, thinking and/or mood" box. Looking at the M21-1, that should be all that's required. Documented in service record and that it is a condition not caused by another.
I just had a C&P exam on the 29th for (Back pain, headaches, joint pain, etc) and during my exam I mentioned my lower back pain caused me to have trouble sleeping
The next day I had a MH evaluation that was only supposed to be for Insomnia but during the duration of the eval it progressed into the Examiner telling me there were notes and sleep charts done during my time in service that showed my trouble sleeping. He told me due to my answers+my records that Insomnia was definitely apparent but that it could be due to a multitude of things (Depression and Anxiety, Tinnitus, Back pain, TBI causing headaches, etc)
I'll be interested to see which disability they attach it to
Yeah if you have multiple issues how do they say well it’s due to this one ?! What do they do throw a dart at the chart sheesh
What if I already have Insomnia 100% service connected back dated to Mar ‘23. It’s not a secondary but, on the award letter it states no further testing will be required for condition. Do these new changes affect the rating?
They combined my insomnia with my PTSD in February 2024
As it should be per the CFR
- Clay
What was the rating 70%
@@YHWHWILLBEDONE they gave me 50%
They did this to me recently as well when my PTSD was already related to MST.
So if I'm at 50 % for ptsd I can fill insomnia as a secondary? And the va will just combine it with the current rating and maybe boost the ptsd?
If I am rated for depression & anxiety I can’t claim insomnia right? I have shared with the VA that I suffer from this due to my lack of ability to sleep. Thanks for the great content.
You can but it’ll be roped under your depression and anxiety.
- Clay
Will it increase being roped in?
So if I'm at 50 % for ptsd I can fill insomnia as a secondary and the va will just combine it with the current rating and maybe boost the ptsd? Or will it be a separate diagnosis of insomnia with its rating?
I've been on insomnia medication now for over 10 years connected to my PTSD, and the word insomnia is in every page listed in my records but tied to the ptsd..but I never filed insomnia because it was under the impression it was a symptom of the ptsd
Insomnia for you as a VA rating is nothing. You’re already SC’d for PTSD and would require an increase. Check this: ua-cam.com/video/7zb7UfYHdc0/v-deo.htmlsi=pomUSpKD2bXrWt1u
- Clay
Thanks I don't know if I need to request a increase I just went from 30 to 50 however insomnia wasn't a claim, your thoughts?
So I got diagnosed with left shoulder tendonitis in 2014 when I left the military for which I have a 10% rating for. Lately the pain in my shoulder has become so bad (I think it may be arthritis now) that it keeps me up at night to where I get about 4 hours of sleep per night. I have an appointment with my PCM to have him look at it and I’m going to get him to fill out a DBQ for an increase.
Can I claim insomnia as a secondary to my shoulder pain?
Back in July 2024 i filed an increase on my unspecified insomnia disorder. Which i was awarded 0% service connected. I am rated 30% for sleep apnea and about 40% percent for my hip injury. When i did my C&P back in July he followed the MH percent standards. It’s like he was evaluating it on MH and not secondary to what i already have. My question is would it still be insomnia on its own with the new regs since it’s an increase or I’m going to be rated under MH. Since I’m on meds for MH and also take therapy these changes are confusing.
If you’re already secondarily service connected with insomnia are you grandfathered in? What does this mean for people sitting in my shoes
Dont mess with it unless you’ve been diagnosed with another MH condition and that would result in a higher rating
- Clay
I got dropped off for insomnia 2nd to Tinitus. Severed connection is the word there using. I’m about to loose 50%!
If a vet is rating for sleep disturbance currently. Would be wise to increase that disability if warranted and with a private DBQ?
Good info. The new rule definitely does not benefit veterans.
A little confusing. Is insomnia still filed the same,as a secondary to a service connevted disability?
Insomnia is direct
- Clay
Mic is clipping on this quite a bit
So if im secondary for a condition and im going to a c&p for an increase, does that chsnge to a primary or will they take away my already secondary condition
When will this take in effect? I opened a claim back in March for this..
Already happened big dawg
- Clay
@@TheCivDiv thanks
I might have misheard, but some people were saying that if your primary condition (like IBS for example) is service connected and you have insomnia because of that. It is okay? Is that not true?
If anything I already have insomnia I'm my service treatment records and my stomach has nothing to do with it. I also got formal diagnosis as well. So I can definitely get insomnia as a service connected disability on its own, non secondary.
According to the changes if you have a stand alone diagnosis there is nothing to worry about. Getting a diagnosis in service is pretty much the gold standard for a direct service connection claim.
It sounds like the va is making it more specific. There just removing insomnia out of the umbrella term of mental health currently is. Example Depression secondary to x condition w/ insomnia. We might not have anything to worry about unless the isn't causing other mental condition.
When did this take effect?
Jan 24
- Clay
@@TheCivDivso it has taken affect or u mean Jan 2025?
@@Kebinnugget Jan 2024
@@TheCivDivbut if you have a intent to file from 2023 you won’t be affected right? I’ll be claiming next month I’ve just been too busy euth life
If you file a back claim for example, disc degenerative disease. You also file for disc bulge arthritis and maybe spondylolisthesis the VA will combine every one of those things into one rating for your back. The highest rating you can get is 40% now if you add insomnia as a secondary to all the mess you have in your back you will still be rated at 40% with disc degenerative disease with insomnia. This is definitely not a benefit to the Veterans.
They keep moving the goal 🥅 posts as us veterans keep scoring. SMH
Mic is way too hot
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- Clay