How to test your motorbike boots before buying︱Cross Training Enduro
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2016
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Which are the best enduro boots and enduro boots available for dirt riding today? Until recently Gaerne SG12 boots and the Sidi Crossfires and Gaerne SG12 were generally regarded as the top two boots, but Sidi quality control appears to slipped badly since most manufacturing moved to Romania. There are other quality boots being put out by others too: Fox Instinct, Alpinestar Tech 10, TCX Pro, Forma Predator etc.
We've had a lot of questions about which are the best boots for enduro and dirt riding, and which boots I'm using. Lower leg injuries are very common, especially when guys wear cheap dirt bike boots. My first tip would be spend money for top quality boots. Boots and a good helmet are the two protective items you should put some money into... and I'm speaking from personal experience.
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So the best motocross boots or best enduro boots? The Italians make the good motorcyles, they make the good boots also. Generally the Gaerne SG12 and the Sidi Crossfire boots have been seen as the top two. And yes it's pronounced, 'Garnay', not Gern or Gay-urn as most of us say. But there are Sidi Crossfire problems now.
There are other good boots at a similar price, but overall the Gaerne SG12 boots stand out in user reviews based on comfort, protection, longevity, sole wear and how easy they are to walk in.
Personally I used to opt for the Sidi Crossfire 2 because they were about on par with the Gaernes and are usually about $100 cheaper. Yes I'm a tight arse even when it comes to the important stuff. But now they ain't so good.
So why spend a lot of money on the Gaerne SG12? A lot of guys like cheaper boots because they are more flexible, but this is because they have less protection. Sidis and Gaernes are well known for not needing any breaking in - the are comfortable immediately, still let you do gear changes and apply rear brake, and are easy to walk in. But you get full protection at the same time.
Here's a comparison with a cheap boot, the Scot 250. The Sidi Crossfire is much better in so many ways, even if recent ones deteriorate quickly.
Similar to helmets, you must make sure a boot is comfortable first. Too many guys buy online then find out it does really fit. Support your local bike shop, try them on there and buy them there too.
A lot of guys want their boots to be waterproof. No manufacturer will guarantee this of course. A more expensive boot will stay waterproof longer, but it's only a matter of time. My Sidis were waterproof for about three months, then over time have allowed more and more water in.
A lot of guys use the smaller more comfortable adventure boots for adventure riding or easy trail riding, but my view is it's still worth having maximum protection. If you pay more for good boots like the Gaerne SG12 or Sidi Crossfire you will still have the comfort.
We are lucky to have dedicated motorbike boots we can afford. I like to do a little reality check from time to time, and you might remember this Malaysian rider and his bike from an earlier video.
What about sole repairs? If you get this done professionally, make sure it's a shoe shop who does motorcross boots regularly and knows what they are doing. Your average shoe repair shop probably won't get it right. What about do it yourself? If a boot sole is just starting to peel away, you can simply put in some self tapping screws to halt this.
What about gluing a new sole on yourself? It's best to let the professionals at it, but if you are short on cash like me, use a six inch grinder to clean and roughen the bottom of the boot and the new sole. Use a heat gun to warm up both surfaces, then apply a good glue like Sikaflex marine. I've tried this before years ago and the sole eventually peeled off, so this time I've doubled up with a pile of screws. Dodgy dodgy work, but then that's nothing new for me.
Just for an experiment, I did try to repair the cheap Scott boots but the soles both peeled off again within two rides, which confirmed there's no point repairing those cheaper boots. No problems though with Gaerne SG12 or Sidi Crossfire.
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HOW DO THE BRANDS COMPARE? 🤔 I've collected hundreds of owner reports. The approximate figures so far? Gaerne 97% positive. Forma 75% positive. Sidi/Alpinestar 50% positive. Fox 35% positive.
IMPORTANT UPDATE: Sidi Crossfire quality appears to have dropped quite drastically in the past year or two. This is based not only on rider feedback but from an industry source who said the national distributor is at a loss to explain why there are so many complaints and returns lately. 😥
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CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS hi how are you I noticed you talking about how if the sole is glued on its trash but my alpine stare tech10 can have the sole lazier cut out and replaced dous this still mean my boot is trash
Just what we needed! Great video and the food looked amazing. It was really relaxing to watch. See you in the next one 😀
I have a pair of Gaerne SG12s right now but nothing compares to my old Sidi boots. I would recommend Sidi boots to ANYONE. I like the smaller toe on the Sidi boots too.
+VroomVroomDana i'm tempted to get a pair of gaernes next to make a good comparison but just don't want to fork out the extra cash. for the money i reckon they are great value, the old sidis. :)
good advice guy's thanks, toasted my lower leg today, hence boot reviews, wrong bike, wrong place and no idea or gear = bad time. fortunately it wasn't worse. ride smart y'all.
Bought a pair of Gaerne SG10 about a year ago, loved 'em straight out of the box. Not cheap, but the best pair of boots I've owned. Now all I need is a cup-holder on my bars! Thanks for another great vid.
+Bu115y lol i bet someone somewhere does make a cup holder.... probably for harleys. :)
Great vid, as usual. Have to say one of the best bits of advise is going to you're local motorcycle store and trying the boots on to make sure they are suitable. Support the local blokes whenever possible.
Cool video, I just picked up a pair or Crossfire's SRS. What a difference comparing to my old Fox Comp5. They are slightly less comfortable than Fox's but way more protective and give you confidence to ride harder.
Brilliant vid, excellent timing aswell as I've just bought a pair of Sidi Adventures (goretex) over a pair of Formas for the reasons you demonstrate at 2:30.
I’ve had a pair of Sidi crossfire’s for over ten years now, they are the business.
I've been using Alpinestar tech 7 and love them
+Frank B me too^^
Using Sidi Crossfire 2 for a year already and they were very good from the beginning. Once in a while I clean them and oil with leather grease. There is one problem though - the leather gets rubbed and surface damaged by the plastic parts on a few spots.
I love my Fox instincts. I also like my gaerne s12's but when I want the best feel for the bike like in a race or technical riding, the fox instincts are awesome. Bit more feed back in the toes but the gaernes certainly have more protection there which is why they don't quite give me as much brake control.
Blew out my MCL when going on a "quick ride" in low work boots. Would good boots have helped? Who knows but great vid, thanks
I had a pair of Scott 450's wear out after 50 rides or so, the sole started chunking and flopping and the buckles never would stay fastened.
I put out the money for a pair of alpinestar Tech 7's tee recently and I have been happy ever since then. The buckle system works great even when dirty, the boots are strong and have even helped my confidence staying on the pegs.
Quality Boots are a must
+Brett Schoener totally agree on the quality brett. those scott 250 boots were such a disappointment and bad value for only 50 rides. :( plus not having good protection most of that time either, they were stiff when new but bent like soggy pasta once they were worn in.
Most people won't wear them for lack of ankle support, but the Gaerne oiled brown trials boot has been my choice for years now. They are waterproof and have tread on the sole for when you're off the bike and need foot traction. I just purchased the updated version with Gortex. They seem to be very good so far.
sonoma314 I have had a pair for 5 years now. They're no longer waterproof but are still comfortable and in good condition. I only wear them for street or light dual sport riding, not enough protection for dirt riding in my opinion.
I have got Fly Maverick boots, had them for a couple of months and they still seen to be holding up strong with good solid support all round, but I guess only time will tell
The Sidi Crossfires were my first top notch boot and they have been absolutely awesome. Coming off of Astars Tech3's it took a few rides to get used to the stiffer plastic body of the boot but once I got used to it I love them. And there's no tougher toe box on a boot than the Crossfires.
+Justin M (Jmicmoto13) i wish i'd been wearing sidi crossfires when i crushed my foot, that toe box would have helped a lot. :(
The Oneal Elements are also great. They saved me from breaking my leg 2 times. I owe my life to my boots! Hahah
Howdy from USA! You say the Gaerne boots don't have a steel shank in them, which is correct. BUT, the SG12 does have a carbon fiber shank in the sole. I have had mine for just about a month and love them! Great videos btw! Keep it up
thanks for the update :)
I've been using the alpine stars tech 7 for almost a year now and love them. They are very comfy and are easy to get on and off. I also have a pair of old tech 3's and the difference is night and day. The tech 7 is So much more comfortable and are much easier to get on and off. I ride all sorts of woods and trails with gravel roads and gravel pits mixed in and find the protection so great. The soul on them is replaceable but only the centre part where the foot peg is. Overall great books
I also happen to have a pair in like new condition of old blue leather dirt bike boots from 1984 that were purchased when my old bike was new and they are really comfortable. However they offer very little protection
I got super lucky a couple years ago and was able to pick up a pair of SIDI Stingers (their top end youth boot) on sale for half the regular price. These boots are solid, made with the same materials as the Crossfire series and similar level of protection minus one buckle. They are a great option for women as they come in sizes that would fit most women's feet.
What I love about them is that when the time comes all the parts are replaceable so if anything wears out or breaks I can replace as needed. My only complaint is that the ankle hinge is really squeaky when walking around so I can't sneak up on anyone.
Yes the dreaded ankle squeak if you have that ankle hinge! Sometimes I squirt a bit of WD40 in there and it stops the noise for a ride or two.
I picked up a pair of Forma Terrain TX Enduro boots a oouple weeks ago and was very impressed. They are very nicely built and super protective. I think for the money you can't get a better boot.
i was very keen to try the formas but sadly they never responded to my four emails so i've got another pair of sidi crossfires, glad to hear the formas are working well for you :)
I am a big fan on the SIDI crossfire boots. I also use the EVS web knee braces for total lower leg reinforcement.
+Brian Masters same combo here brian, although currently trying out the mobius braces which are lighter and more comfortable.
I just purchased a pair of SG12's. I'm pleased with them. As you stated, absolutely no break in time required. Coming from Tech 8's which lasted me for about 6 years. Surprisingly they may just now be broken in. I was tired of pulling my spleen muscles trying to put them on every ride. In comparison, the SG12's are so very comfortable. They also have a slightly more pointed toe that allows easier insertion into the gear selector area. Something that I found strange to even notice.
+Rob Cash i think the problem with cheaper boots is that as they 'wear in' they are often giving you less protection as they are just becoming more flexible... whereas the top shelf boots are comfy from the start, and the high level of protection doesn't drop off. at 300 rides mine feel just almost as good on those flex tests as when brand new.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES At the time I thought the Tech 8's were a premium boot. I had come from Tech 6's and thought the insert was a nice feature since I ride in very wet muddy conditions. You can dry the insert quickly and your foot will stay dry even when put back into a wet boot. I would estimate that the protection was very good as I accidentally kicked a rock at 40 mph and other than my heel hitting my ass at nearly that speed I did not break my leg. The buckles on the Crossfire and SG12 are light years better than any of the A-star offerings. As for the wet issue, now that I wear over the boot pants, water is a little less of an issue as it tends to shed rather than funnel into by boot.
I couldn't afford the G12, I ended up getting some alpinestar tech5s. I'm also on a quad! so not as important as if I was on 2 wheels. but the tech5s are actually real good so far. very stiff tho. after about 25 hrs on em I can't hardly shift still lol. but I'm impressed with the comfort and protection these boots provide. and they seem to stay rather water proof too. only time I get water in my boots is when it goes into the boot from the top of the boot. but I can be standing in mud or water and my feet will b dry
Good advise Barry, thanks mate. Please keep the vid's coming....... :-)
+GREGORY NOEL will do greg!
I have the sidis too. it's one of the only boots that comes in a 12.5 size. I love them, but the sole is slippery on rock's. other than that. awesome boots
Here's a tip, buckle up your boots just as wear them before putting back in gear bag. This helps keep buckles from getting broken or misformed from the weight of gear.
I've got a wide foot and neither the Sidi or Gaerne fit (I couldn't even get the Sidi on my foot!) so I opted for the Alpinstar tech 10s. Been an awesome boot and have saved one break for sure.
Travis Mason I have the same problem, block feet! Recently heard half sizes are the same length just wider. Look at a half size up and see if that helps.
Love the Sidi - I own the Alpine Stars Tech 3 (cheapest available). They have been beating up trails and me for 5 years now. They are horrible ridged and the buckles are a chore however they do the job and have protected my lovely lower half for the interim. I just recently tried on the Sidi and Gonorrheas, and it's amazing what a high quality boot feels like. Movement is actually possible in a boot. Personally, the Sidi was my choice when it came to movement and feeling.
+Aaron Maz the tech 3 had a great reputation if you go back far enough but it seems to now be a budget boot from what i read. if i had to i would just stop riding for a month or two so i could save the money for good boots when it's time to get a new set.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES During the summer months that's possible, but when the riding is prime out here, taking a month or two off is sacrilege :)
SIDI Crossfires SRS(sole replacement system) are good had them for 3 or 4 years now and everything from buckles to the sole is all serviceable and replaceable at home with just a few basic tools which you would have with a bike anyway and the thing i loved most about them was they felt natural from the moment i put them on unlike many other boots that you need to spend 2 to 5 hours walking around in to break them in and make them flexible enough to ride
+andreweasty i've heard lots of mixed reviews on the SRS version but mostly good, andrew. i went with the standard sidis though, as the cost of replacing the soles works to be about the same as the SRS version.
i went with the srs due to the local bike shop being out of stock of the regular crossfires and not wanting to wait 2 weeks to order a pair in and I'm pretty happy i went with them as i just undo the screws and screw the new one back on but i am still yet to need to do that
If you need to make some repairs to your boots, peeling soles, etc., there is nothing tougher than 3M 5200 marine adhesive, they make it in black and white. I've used it many times and it saves the day. Clean the surfaces well and then keep the pressure on for a couple days, it takes time to set but once dried it is pretty much bullet proof. Not cheap but way cheaper than new boots.
after multiple knee operations, i went back to the hiking boot route. the difference of bike feel and mobility is night and day compared to the heavy mx alpinestars i had before. paddling up hills, and getting foot off the pegs for a quick save is much easier. i am going to try to get some protection back with an adventure boot, but i say wear the lightest boot you feel comfortable with for how and where you are riding. your knees will thank you.
+markmtbrider it can be tricky to find a balance between all those factors hey mark? i went on easy dirt ride in my trials boots once and it was great to have more 'feel' of the pegs, the light weight, so much ankle flexibility etc. and yet there were two times the light construction of the boot meant feeling the pain too and i could sense how vulnerable my foot was. a hinged boot makes a big difference, the new forma terrain boot could be worth looking at... the cheapest hinged boot available and it's lighter and more flexible than the top boots.
forma eh? i will check it out. thanks.
Just got into dirt bike riding.. more trails the anything but very much started learning this week.. looking for riding gear. I'm on a 08 yz250f, i feel more and more comfortable with the bike everytime i ride but lack any gear other then a helmet. boots are one thing i would love to pick up asap my biggest problem is i can not seem to find them in a size 16 us. any help??? plz...
Nice Review. Thanxs Mate. Where r u ridin? looks amazing. Where can I find more such videos?
cheers joe. we ride all sorts of spots along the east coast nowadays. a few hundred vids on this channel....
Hi guys.
I agree with everything Barri said, the Master.
I have had the Sidi Flex Force, Crossfire1 and Crossfire2.
Still use the first ones to easy rides with an elderly bike trail.
Previously i hava Acerbis Boots. Good an cheap, but they were far from the Sidi, i think
Without any doubt the best investment we can make: good boots and good helmet.
I they are comfortable and sure... we always weared them...!
Balance between comfort and safety they have the Sidi.
And with parts for replace.
In my case, I am thin foot and shin and are well suited to my way.
There are other good boots, in that order, maybe
Gaerne, Fox, Alpinestars, Form ...
But for me the Sidi ... Simply The Best.
Best Regards form Spain...!
;-)
+Motos De Enduro es verdad, MDE.... viva la sidi!
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Viva...! ;-)
Good boots are essential. I wear the Forma Predator and found them great but bulky. I now race with the cheaper Forma Terrain Enduro boots and use the Predator for training. Most of the Italian boots are made in the same area in Italy so a lot of technology gets spread around. Hinged boots are a must. Had some fox Instinct boots and felt great but offered zero toe protection
+Reece Tasker i love the hinged boot too reece. everyone says the sidis are great for walking from the the moment you buy them. i think the gaernes are the same but couldn't see a hinge on those, maybe it's internal?
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Im not sure but I have a lot of riding buddies here ( Canadia) that wear the G12 and love them.
How about breath of the foot? Is your sock soaked after a day riding? Thank you.
Since my feet are still growing my dad doesnt want to spend too much money on boots so my current boots are tech 3 alpine stars and i really want an sg 10-12 but i think itll end up being the gx-1
your gopro footage is so smooth when ever I hit a hill on camera it looks like I'm bouncing all over the place haha
+Dbikekid i do change my riding style a bit when filming to make it smoother.... trying to absorb the movement more with my legs which is always good for technique too. also you can use the superview setting on the gopo 3+ and the 4 models to smooth things out. ua-cam.com/video/ck8G-bVuRqY/v-deo.html
super view makes the terrain look a bit to flat for me even more when endure riding because most of the excitement in the vid is over the steepness of the terrain and stuff,you guys can proberly get away with it with some of the monster hills youse have haha,i think I need some more neck muscles I'm a bit of a bobble head on the bike
Hard part is deciding between the two when you have none to try on !
Very informative video and ensuing comments. Not rich enough to buy cheap things is very true in this case. Maybe I should consider replacing my 30-year old Sidis now.
+frogzie damn that's a good lifespan frogzie. hey do they go with all those flex tests? if they are still protecting you well then maybe stick with them?
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES
They wouldn't pass your flexibility test. Plain leather inside/outside, no plastic, have become so flexible at the ankle level that they can't stand up straight by themselves. Zero-waterproof either. However the toe cap and sole are still very strong. And I'm sure they are still in better shape than myself :)
+frogzie bugger. oh well, can't complain about value for money after 30 years. :)
I'm wearing Alpine Stars tech 7 as well. Great boots but they don't have a stitched sole. I've had mine 2 years without a problem. Buckles stay in place, soles are in good shape and protection level seems adequate. They aren't waterproof but I wouldn't want them to be.
+Simon Eldridge those moulded soles can be okay simon, as long as glue doesn't give way too early and your footpegs don't rip the soles to shreds too quickly. i'm running those fastway pegs with the low cleats now so that the soles should last the lifetime of the boot from now on. :)
Thanks for the advice.. I bought the GAERNE SG12's because the sidi's aren't very friendly to people with wide feet :/
Hey Baz. Good reviews. I don't mind the Forma Terra's. I dropped my fat motorbike on my leg the other day and no injury! They are supple enough to walk in but the protection is good for an adv boot.
+Dirtbike Downunder it does look like a nice adv boot. i do get tempted but keep clumping around in my sidis on adventure rides because those two sets of multiple fractures burned 'full protection' into my memory banks lol!
Try Alpinestar tech 10! Best protection and confort and durability to!
This was true many years ago when they were Italian made boots, Claudio, but the number of complaints has definitely increased since they moved production to Thailand and Croatia. I will release a video about this soon. Feedback indicates that Gaerne have the least problems and they are the only Italian brand that still makes all their boots in Italy. All other 'Italian' brands now make boots in cheaper countries (although Sidi still does Crossfire SRS boots in Italy, but not their Crossfire TA boots).
if someone was going to go for alpine stars id recommend the tech 3's, i bought a set of them in 2008, have done a good 1000+ hours of riding on them, still feel like they did after the first time they were filled with bog hole mud, nice and crisp.
+roflcopterkklol that's good to hear, on the forums the older ones seem to hold up very well but the more recent versions seem to get a lot of bad press. :(
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Thats a shame to hear, do you know if the new tech 3's are the same as the older ones? i have been thinking i will buy a new set of them just because of how old mine are now
I ended up with he Sidi Crossfire 2s. Very happy!!
i've just bought a new pair too fredrik, just couldn't find a quality boot to match at the price. :)
+CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS Cool! And really cool that you answer so many comments.. 😀 I am nowhere near your skill level, and (therefore) I stay far away from the areas you ride in. I am trying to learn some skills on my kato 690 enduro R. For examples of my nØØb riding; Fred Noskillz is my UA-cam channel.
that's a big bike to try some of the skills on, fredrik. i used to have one years ago and way too much power for the likes of me lol.
Hehe.. yeah. I'll check out your tutorials for balance and other tips and tricks :) I try to carry some skills over from the pushbike riding ;)
must admit I went tight on my boots and got the forma adventure boots for the riding I do. they certainly dont have the protection of the sidi's, but I think they are better than the scotts you showed
+SuperOrcy those scotts were shockers, i think there are boots at almost half the price that would have been better. :(
Had Thor boots and the leather was finished at ten years old and I’ve only got a couple rides on my tech 7s hopefully they last ten years too
A lot of brands seem to be getting cheaper nowadays, Jessi. I hope the A-stars last but their longevity has been decreasing in recent years. ua-cam.com/video/PFpw8SmUJ9o/v-deo.html
Can you please talk about knee guard, and what do you personally use?
You make everyone lazy to search in here mate, and I'm personally trust your reviews because it's always genuine .
+payam fz after buggering both knees i only wear braces now. had EVS web the past few years, testing some mobius braces now, also asking around and will do a vid soon.
I have sidi x3 srs boots and they are great
I got the Sidi Adventure, it is great. I got into a crash, and no pain or scratch on my lower leg. I should have bought motorcycle boots earlier on, lots of scaring on my shines.
Get good knee protection too, twice I've hit my knee on a rock, luckily never broke it. I wear full armor protection now. I'm not sure about neck braces, tho? Any opinions?
+Eibli i don't wear one eibli but can't add to what i mentioned in the vid. they seem to work to varying degrees depending on the type of impact....
forma predator best boots i'v owned ,never had crossfires as sidi road boots are to narrow for me but had G12's
yeah you definitely want to try before you buy, a mate of mine said his formas ordered online are great boots but turned out to be a bit too tight and has to sell them now. :( and similar stories with sidis and gaernes of course.
those scott boots looks so comfortable!
like a big pair of socks, mike... about the same protection too 😊
MY FOX COMP 8 ARE TOP 310 euros
tive tb umas da scot top de 140€ duraram 3 anos e ainda nem tão rotas
+rodasmonster i was looking at the fox comp 8 but it looks as though you can't replace the sole on them? so you would have to throw the boot out once the sole is gone i think.
How about Alpine Star brand ? I ve used Tech 3 model for several years, very durable and protective. Just wandering whether Tech 7 would be worth the price difference
used to be one of the best brands a long time ago gilles.... i've never used them but heard many say they've really dropped the ball and they stopped buying them years ago. i don't have any evidence to back that up though.
I am looking to buy boots, but limited choices in India, Sg12 are about 40% over my budget and I could stretch myself to consider getting leatt 5.5. How’s that boot by leatt? The other option I have is a TCX X helium, Garene Fastback Enduro
Initial reports on the Chinese made Leatt aren't great... a few quality control issues and soles wearing out fast.
Hey Barry, do you think enduro soles might make me more prone to knee sprains due to the tread locking up on the footpegs? I fell off my bike sideways at slow speed last spring and re-sprained a very old knee injury...not sure exactly what caused the sprain but it seemed at the time that that as I fell to the left, my right foot got a bit caught up on the peg and caused my knee to overextend one of the knee ligaments. I was wearing enduro boots. I've never used the smooth-soled MX boots, so maybe they are simply not an option for enduro riding and more likely to cause other injuries due to lack of grip??? In any event I'll be using a knee brace next riding season.
interesting question! i've always preferred good grip from footpegs as a foot has slipped off sometimes by mistake. if you've seen our 'dismount instead of crash' vid, i know the pro riders just jump off the bike which prevents that kind of thing. but i don't have the quick reflexes nowadays to always do that.
@@crosstrainingenduro Thanks for reply. My incident was probably a fluke and odds are its better to have good grip on the pegs. All my falls are at low & zero speed which also indicates I just need to stop being such a pussy and JUST RIP IT!!
Alpine Stars Stella Tech3 are my first proper boots, and though it's a foreign feeling, they are pretty comfortable right out of the box :0)
+fuscia13 good to hear fuscia13, how do they go with that flex test?
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Well, they just saved my ankle and foot twice earlier. So, yeah, can't believe I was riding hobo for so long.
buy sidi srs 2 if you want something that last for ages almost every piece is bolt on bolt off
Now with these boots are they also a good set for motorcross? Because I do a little bit of enduro and motorcross with my mates but i feel like the boots I have now are too heavy for motorcross
+TripleX XGamingReptile unfortunately i can't give the motocross angle on these boots. i know guys use them but can't really comment as i've never done that sort of riding. :(
nice video ! i've got the crossfire 2, and i think they are good but they have a big drawback : they sometimes stay blocked on the footpeg when you have to put a foot near the bike, when you are in a narrow passage, it's their drawback. I love the big protectives, but they should improve them, not them to stay blocked on the footpeg. Did you ever have this problem ?
+hard enduro montoncel great to get all this feedback. i've had no issue with getting blocked on the peg so far... and there's definitely a lot of rider variation involved e.g. some will say a specific boot makes gear changes easier, others say it makes it harder.
oh ok, maybe it's because you have the crossfire 1, the ankle protective doesn't overtake like on the 2.
For the gear changement, in my opinion, it's the size of the boot compare to your gear shifter setting wich can do that. But for sure, there are a lot of rider variations.
I own 2 pair of the Sidi Crossfire 2 SRS and one pair of SG-11
The Gaerne has a big toe box, easy to flex your toes. First ride it took me 3 hours before I even thought about my feet. The Sidi is a narrow toe box, so you might need to size up. I must say I cannot pick between the two brands because they are both A+.
Replacing the SRS soles should be done sober. It is also advised to wear gloves, use a plier and screwdriver, because it's nasty work! Keep kids with sensitive ears away....
I have drilled holes in the SG-11 so it drains water, because there is NO way to stop water from coming in when the conditions are very wet. I have made mesh soles out of bathmats as well, and these are my designated swamp boots now. I have yet to take the Sidi into the water, but suspect that they too will be great at drinking water.... And once water comes into a boot, it ain't coming out. (unless you've drilled holes)
I had the Sidi Rain Dual Sport (very nice boot for a adv rider, maybe even a dual sporter), but if riding hard enduro, there is NOT enough toe protection, and you WILL break toes. I broke one, and sprained another before selling and getting the Gaerne SG-11.
These boots are expensive. But, if you do your homework and look around, you can save quite a bit.
+Dagster Blaster good info there, dagster blaster. i agree, you can get the top boots very cheaply if you shop around. and they are probably cheaper in the long run, 300 rides in my sidis and with a new sole who knows how many more? the mythical waterproof boot is a hit and miss affair... my old oxtar motocross boots were completely waterproof for an entire year! very lucky there i suspect.
Thumbs up on the Gaerne comments. I have a pair of SG-10 that I think are 10 or 12 years old??
I had a couple of years of not riding due to needing some repairs myself, but for the last few years its been pretty much every other weekend.
Never had a buckle let go, soles are still looking good but some cosmetic signs of wear are showing. I keep them clean and for the first few years I wore over boot pants.
Ill pop a photo of them up later. Would absolutely buy again
+sapman71 that's good value for money over the long term sapman :)
how are alpinestars tech 7 compared?
I was waiting for you too say "the ones that fit you"
buy any way. What i like about the SiDi is the replacable soul. Also if im not mistaken SiDi replaces them for free for a perticular model
+Adrian Borek interesting, haven't heard anything about free sole replacement... unless you mean if the SRS sole is faulty?
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES
Ive found out the name
Fox Instinct have a life time warranty for the soul.
I still wear my leather victory Alpinestars, is that bad ? I can actually feel the shifter and brake.
It's all a compromise between comfort and protection, Dave! Everyone will have their own balance between the two. And it depends on your riding too. Trials riders have super soft boots. Hard core off road guys opt for the full on mx boots. Adventure riders usually sit in between.
Might look at the Sidi's for my next boot. I have always had "cheap" ones.
+JoeJoe Moto and they'll usually work out cheaper than 'cheap' boots in the long run joe... or at least they have for me so far :)
I have the alpinestar tech 3 and the only things I dislike about them is that using the rear break while standing is tricky, it's either all or none but I guess I have to get used to them still, and the buckles are horrendous they are the worst buckles ever but you can fix that with a drill bit
I just switched from tech3s to Gaerne Sg10 boots and LOVE them! Can't believe how comfortable they are!
I've had the Crossfires, SG12 and TCX Comps. I'd have to say the biggest issue is the steel toe caps that get kicked off in the rocky terrain we ride. The TCX and Crossfires are the worst for this. For me, the Crossfires are the most comfortable and the lightest whilst also offering the best protection. The SG12, are a close second, with the TCX some way behind. In terms of durability, I pretty much destroyed the Crossfires in a year and I'll probably have done the same to the SG12 in about the same time. It's not the soles, but the entire boot that just gets shanked in the rocks we ride. I'll probably go Crossfires with my next boot or possibly the new TCX comp boots with the Forma Terrains also getting a look in. I still feel that most offroad boots are MX biased and have the following problems in hard enduro:
1. very little grip from the flat soles
2. toe caps that get kicked off or destroyed quickly
3. weight as most good boots come in at around 4.5 kilos
There is definitely a gap in the market for a tough as nails enduro boot that could address these concerns
+Robert Moore great feedback robert. that must be some tough riding to wreck good boots within a year, i'm obviously not trying hard enough... :) an enduro-specific boot would be good. i'm thinking of looking at the formas next time around, the italians seem to really know their stuff but they are relatively new and there isn't that depth of user feedback on them yet.
Come visit us here in South Africa. We'll show you some properly gnarly terrain!
Thank you 👍🏻
I like the cheaper boots because i can't afford the nice boots.
+reino kotze i know, it's a common problem reino. :( i'm always on a tight budget but i know in the long term the good boots are actually cheaper.... e.g.
$450 for sidi crossfires and 300 rides old, a new right sole and still going strong
$230 for scott 250 boots, only 50 rides and had to throw them in the rubbish bin.
i'm sure there are cheap boots that will last longer than the scotts though, good luck with yours. :)
my cheap fox boots are about 10 years old now.
do the SIdi X3 or Gaerne Greact are a good alternative if you are on a budget?
none of us have ever used them so couldn't comment alexandre. you could go to the shop and do the same stress tests in the vid and compare them to the top boots perhaps?
I've been enjoying your videos for almost a year now and I have gotten a gopro and filmed some of my trailrides. One thing I've noticed is that when I export my video from adobe premiere pro the video is crystal clear. Once I upload them to youtube the quality goes to pot. Do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this? Thanks
+Titus Videos fair bit of info out ther for this topic, i covered it briefly in our videography tips vid here: ua-cam.com/video/FetIF3Np-fM/v-deo.html lots of guys post info such as this too: www.4kshooters.net/2015/07/28/best-video-export-settings-for-youtube-in-premiere-pro-cc/
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Thank you sir, I believe that the problem is just in the exporting process.
I agree with your choice of boots. However I tried unsuccessfully for the last four (4) months to get a pair of Gaerne with the enduro (vibram) type sole. Not imported in Australia, not available anywhere overseas and Gaerne promised delivery for the last 3 months. I even contacted the factory and got a useless response back. It's one thing to have the reputation to have one of the best boots on the market, pretty useless if you ask me if you can't make any...Cancelled my order... sad!
+Guido Poets that's a bummer, guido. i'm surprised you even got an answer from the factory. i have never ever had a factory respond to my emails, except for one who finally replied after i sent three emails.
Hey, what do you think about the gaerne gx-1 Evo?
I haven't seen it, Tiago... but given Gaerne's reputation and being made in Italy it should be good.
I've been looking around for these boots for quite a while, I've not been able to find them for even close to the price you've said AUD. Is there a side you've recommend?
+Rhys C that price was when i bought both boots three years ago. the best price on sidis is from europe via ebay, but you won't get to test them out first of course. but you'll see them on special in the shops occasionally for as low as AUD$500.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES
I never actually realised the quality difference until I saw your video. I recently flipped a quad from bad wheel placement and busted all the inside of my ankle. Once testing my boots and comparing to what I saw on here, I don't care about testing. The extra quality speaks for itself
*nervous laughter* i just broke my foot last weekend on my drz: 4 fractured metatarsals and one of them is displaced. thats the reason im watching this video now, and youve had the same injury wearing mid range boots (i was wearing walking boots).
ouch. not sure if i mentioned it but a few boots have steel shanks in the sole. i'm not sure how much that would help protect from a sideways crush though. heal fast!
Alpine star tech 10 are good
What about saving $100 and getting the SG-10s instead of the 12s?
I don't the differences, Sam. I know i Sidi's crossfire range you saved a bit of money and just had a bit less protection... might be the same with Gaerne?
I have tiny feet and couldn't find adult boots my size so I had to go with the kids ONEAL MX boots. They are extremely rigid! Especially the foot side, I can't bend the boot at all (not that I am very strong). I had a very lame drop at full stop trying to turn to park after a long tiring and boring highway stretch. My foot got crushed by the weight of the motorbike, 4 bones fractured 5 times with ligament damages, metal plates and all of that things. I was on my own so I got transported to the nearest hospital by ambulance and the paramedic told me that because the boot was so stiff it held my foot between the ground and bike, and if I had softer boots my foot would possibly have been able to slip though and not break. I still have several weeks of immobilisation and rehab before I can ride again :'( but now I'm wondering if I should get new boots. Any advice? Especially for child size feet....
A good boot certainly helps, Tiphaine! The DR650 crushed my foot years ago and I broke four bones but it would have been much worse in cheap boots. My advice is always get the best boots possible... do Gaerne or Forma do children's sizes? ua-cam.com/video/PFpw8SmUJ9o/v-deo.html
@@crosstrainingenduro Oooch! Sounds like exactly the same injury as mine (KLX400 for me with a fair bit of luggage)! I just had a quick browse and both Gaerne and Forma have chidren boots! Thanks for the adivce, I will definitely be upgrading!
Love my Alpine stars Toucans
+brandtagone Got my bike stuck in the bottom of a ravine had to hike out 9 miles- feet felt great! Had my foot smashed between my swing arm on my dr and a rock-foot was fine put a hole in my boot which I melted 550 chord into.
+brandtagone Oh forgot 14,000 miles later they are still near new and water tight.
+brandtagone So I made the prior comment cause you said you had not seen much or something like that on alpinestars, anyway an update the boots gave out with the stitching and a crack in that hard shell on the left toe after 11 months and 15,000 miles. The dealer is sending them in and thinks I will get a new pair, at the least fixed but don't think they can. No reply needed just thought I should add the boot's ending to my original post, thanks Ozman Rock on!
So what would be good for someone who has almost no money? I still needs about $100 in parts, and still need a full gear set, including helmet and goggles, what would be the best for less for helmet and boots?
+Nickus this vid showed some basic tests you could apply to boots to see which give the best protection, although cheap boots could start flexing a lot within a few months....
i've done a vid about the qualities to look for in a good helmet so could check the cheap ones for these criteria: ua-cam.com/video/_rsaxIKfNoE/v-deo.html
Ok thanks
Wasp nipples? Never seen those! I recently purchased the cheapest possible offering in protective foot gear. They're collecting dust on the shelf. I'm afraid to wear them for fear I'll have to learn how to ride all over again.
+Twistygrip KLR I need to do the same. Ive been riding in mud boots for waay to long. Guess we both have to suck it up and do what is smart ;)
Agreed
Twistygrip it'll only take a couple times of riding with good boots before that feel is "normal"... and then riding in anything else will make you feel like your feet are about to break off... it's amazing how much more you can use your legs when they're properly protected and armored and not worried about bumping and scraping them on the bike and terrain...
unless your feet are bigger than size 14.... Can only buy Alpinestars....
i was just wondering do the straps on the sidi boots break easy cause i have a pair of fly racing boots and 2 straps broke
+tommy magner123 i've never broken any tommy. worst thing that's happened is now i've done 350+rides in them occasionally a buckle might come undone. great boots, will just buy another set probably, if and when these wear out.
ok thanks alot
hi! forma dominator or forma predator after research i think best value for money!!! still italiano ;)
+Merai Alexandru they definitely look good merai, i'm sure with time they'll get the same sort of reputation :)
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES well yeah i came from Jett molded boots and alpinestars and i must tell u that the Jett's with no rep behaved exceptionally compared to alpinestars. plus forma' s are made here in romania ;)
are alpinestars tech 3's good? almost no flex
+Erik Maučec it depends how much flex there is as the boot gets older too erik. you generally just get what you pay for with boots. the cheap ones will usually do a reasonable job of protecting you....
SIDI's don't need breaking in? My x-treme SRS' are only starting to be comfortable after 20hrs.
+jonno85uk i wasn't even aware of that model jonno. bummer to hear on the breaking, everyone raves about the immediate comfort with crossfires, myself included. the website doesn't give any info, what's the intended application with this extreme version?
I can't quite remember but it's supposed to be a more enduro based boot. Not quite as tall and heavy as the crossfires but same construction and most importantly, comes with SRS. I used to have A-stars and the buckles were shite compared to these SIDIs'. They're ok now, I can walk ok once I take my boots off
do you ever try Alpinestar? I think that Gaerne; Sidi and Alpine rules.
Them you may also consider Fox
And after that you have all the rest ....:-)
+Andre Azevedo years ago the alpinestars were seen as a top boot, but i think they have become cheaper over the years... the lower models get quite a few complaints now. i'm not sure about the top model though, it does still seem to get good reviews most of the time.
I always have them. I also have Gaerne and they have a stronger construction. But Tech 7, enduro8 and Tech 10 até very good products. I think they are at the same level. Yet mi next boots will be Sidi. They look and feel smaler outside with the same level of protrction. And they are beutifull. :-)
I have been riding enduro for a while, always ride in tramping boots. The main injuries I have had is left and right scaphoids so I would err to the get some wrist protection side. Boots are cumbersome and affect riding balance, no matter how expensive they are.
Chris Dealny here's my advice based on anecdotal evidence. Caught a hidden rock on outside corner, toe cap twisted under the peg. Tore good quality motorbike boots in half. Ligament and muscle damage was all I scored. Most likely I would lost my foot if wearing tramping boots.
Tim Newman That's a good point, but I hardly ever have my feet anywhere near the footpegs. Quality tramping boots have good grip for muddy situations riding boots just do not. Also quality tramping boots are more sturdy around the ankle area than many riding boots.
Chris Dealny that's why all the pro riders use Tramping boots, anything else hinders their abilities... 🤔🙄😂
toadamine look man I know riding boots are good. I just feel more comfortable in tramping boots. I normally wear skate shoes.
"I hardly ever have my feet anywhere near the footpegs" where do you put your feet?!?... hate to say it but based on most stuff you've said in your comments you have no idea about anything: good grip in mud - that's what tyres are for. Walking boots are more sturdy - bullshit. Skate shoes - WTF. I'm guessing you ride a pitbike or something.
Great vid. Could you mention how to pronounce Leatt and acerbis in one of you vids? Pretty sure I'm saying it wrong
+Justin F plenty of internet references for that sort of thing if you google it justin
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES oh yeah I'll look
+Paige Augusti that's what I say. I have heard 'asserbiss' before.
Leatt-
Lee-at
Or
Leat
Alpinestars Tech10's are the best. The other boots in this video are good, but once you try Tech10's you'll find the competition are bulky, cumbersome and overall inferior.
+asdf898 it's all very subjective and i don't think any boot can be claimed to be the best out of all of them. for example, in plenty of threads there are guys saying they'd take the gaerne SG12 over the tech 10: www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/sg12-vs-tech-10s,1266269 i think it all comes down to personal preference and which fits better, and how lucky you are with the quality control the day your boots came out of the factory. :)
I tried on the Tech 10, SG11, and SG12 at the dealership, ended up with the SG11. The alpinestars weren't as comfortable. I wear the SG11 in the dirt and Alpinestar Tucans for a dual sport boot now, works good for me.
what read tyre are you using on this video? the part where its all muddy and rooty
+mhbernheim goldentyre GT523 rocky. hard compound for good longevity but of course this makes it trickier in those conditions.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES we use the gt216hbn/x and alternate between those two but have heard the traction using the gt523 140/80 is far superior in all conditions
+mhbernheim I believe that he is still using the motoz hybrid, but may not be completely up to date on his vids.
My problem with the alpine stars is that they r too stiff i cant push the rear brake whenever i want to brake i have to just push my whole boot on it bc i cant feel the brake lever
+Christian 777 Yeah i had those T3's too for a while, terrible honestly.. like a block of concrete on your leg.
No flexibility at all, lifting your whole leg to do anything..
Sold them and bought Sidi Crossfire's, best boots ever.
+Christian 777 Stiff is nice when you crash or your boot is getting crushed between your bike and a tree
+loopduplicate I have Tech 7 though, so I hear they are not so much like the concrete NukaMoto mentioned.
Guilty as charged. 15 year old Timerlands.. still waterproof, no protection at all
You did well out of your Scotts
I got 2 hrs out of my Scott 450 s before the sole blew out
What a waste of 400 +rollers
+badbrooko you're kidding... did they replace them under warranty? mine averaged out to $5 a ride, whereas my sidi crossfires are $1.30 per ride now and still going strong.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES na just went and bought some tech 7
I just use the steel toe boots I where to work every day and they have preformed awesome other then they don't have a much ankle support
just bought myself a pair of sidi crossfire 2 boots off ebay, I would have got them in store but they dont sell them in my part of canada
+Bilbo Baggins i've heard mx boots are hard to buy anywhere in the shire, mr baggins :)
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES haha, just out of curiosity how long have you had your boots for?
+Bilbo Baggins quite a few years now and about 300 rides. the right sole just started to wear thin about 50 rides back....
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES thanks for the quick response