It is really cool; I just love the fanned frets. And Ibanez used to make an 8-string nylon too, but without the fanned frets. I'd love to try the Ibanez some time.
wow man nice guitar, I am happy for you :) And you are the first one in youtube that made a review about this guitar, sooo thanks . I want to see this guitar more often :D
Nice. I did have to spend some time sanding the top frets down to make them more playable, and the lowest and highest string don't seem to come through that great in the 1/4" jack, but I use a combo mic and 1/4" when I record it. I should probably open up the bridge and see if there's a way to improve the pickup coverage across the strings, but I don't record much with it, just noodle around for fun while I'm at my son's baseball games!
I would love to try some other 8-stringers out for comparison, but they are not something you find in most guitar shops! I'm happy with it, except for the drop off in volume for the highest string. I'd probably skip the electronics and the cutaway if you want to save money. I prefer to mic it and I don't use the cutaway since I'm usually playing chord and bass.
It depends! The lowest string is 27" from nut to bridge, and the highest string is 25"! For fanned frets, the string length changes depending on the string.
Hey. Would it be more playable if the fanned frets stared perfectly vertical at the nut, and got little it more fanned at the saddle instead? I am working on my own construction, I can choose freely. I want to combine guitar with a bow instrument and also test perfect octaves imperfect fiths fretboard I had the pleasure to calculate, so I guess noone can help me, except with advice. Like barre cord with index finger pointing away from me feels unnatural, but I only tried simulating it on a classical guitar.
First of all, a barre chord on ANY nylon is uncomfortable! The neck is just so wide and flat. But I would say you might be right -- A perpendicular nut might make barre chords equally uncomfortable as on any parallel fret guitar. I honestly don't notice the fanning of the frets at all when I play (though I avoid barre chords on nylons anyway).... sometimes I have to remind myself that they are fanned, because from the player's perspective, it actually doesn't look fanned at all!
Their stock and webpages fluctuate all the time, so I had to check for a few weeks until it said "in stock". Here's the link (I found thru Google): www.rondomusic.com/Renaissance_Classical_82527_Nat_Cutaway.html -- It says "sold out" right now. As I mentioned in one of my reviews, I would prefer to get the one WITHOUT the cutaway, because I never use those high notes, and I think the extra real estate could help the sound.
It probably would be better to raise all the pitches by about a 4th, simply because the guitar can't resonate at the lowest notes. But my brain can't handle retuning!
@@jsonjsoff I use a hanabach 815 low tension E string and just take my time with it. It usually takes a good two or three days to get it up to tension. But an E string absolutely will not go up to A if the length is any bigger than 615mm
If its fretted like a brahms guitar, why not tune it as such? kinda defeats the purpose a little bit. Also move the guitar up from your lap, youre gonna get yourself tendinitis from tryna reach the 7nth string.
You'd have to change the strings to retune it that dramatically. It came tuned F#BEADGBE, and to make it easier for me to figure out which string is which, I detuned the F# to E, but I didn't compensate yet by putting a thicker string in, which I should do. Yes, I also now hold it more like a classical guitar, but I don't get to play it enough to even get tendonitis!
@@JoyeMusiccom I really advise trying it out as a brahms guitar tuning (BEADGBEA), even if its a first, it a fun challenge (at least it was for me) you just have to think that the guitar strings are moved a step down. You'll get the hang of it. Raising the guitar will help you reach, so you dont have to hold it like a cello. The low F string wont really do you any good in any repertoire, unless youre doing some weird arrangements or contemporary own written. I used it as a normal E or D string (same as your 6th) So you can have an extra open string while playing baroque, but trust me youre better off using it as a brahms guitar. Anything lower than a B doesnt really sound good on a guitar while fretted. Good luck!
@@schnooleheletteletto the scale on this is 27" to 25 1/2" so you'll have a hard time getting the high A working on the Brahms tuning. Down-tuning a whole step might work, something like ADGCFADG. Lower than B should be fine with the 27" scale on the low string, low A should be solid. I think there's another version of these with a shorter scale that would work for the "standard brahms" tuning A lot of people tune 8 strings: ACEADGBE providing some useful basses below standard tuning which can be nice for baroque music and lets you play some of the bass notes low like a lute would. I can't find the specific video where he uses that one, but this dude uses tunings like that: ua-cam.com/video/RB5u85hic1E/v-deo.html and it sounds great. Apparently that video specifically is A C# E A D F# B E
@@frtpwr, generally I agree with you, but with the right strings, trust me it works. No even need for the whole step down. It just makes it more annoying to find proper strings that doesnt sound too wobbly and feel too loose. Ive played ACEADGBE tuning for many years. What you are describing however would be more suitable to use CAEADGBE. Switch the C to the lower note, so you can reach the A string better for usage of C and B in lute music. Also the C string should work better as a normal extra E string. You can use it as an F if needed, as well as a loose E string in D tuning, or a D string in E tuning. There is no point in spoiling a bottom low A string since you barely cant reach it while playing harder lute music anyway. Use it as a 7nth string, you will be able to reach it and have an extra E or D on the bottom that you dont need to fret. Also playing normal 6 string rep sounds better if you can tune the 8th string to an F and the 7nth string to a C. It rings out better. This meaning the string selection will actually be EBEADGBE. The 8th string has the range of D to F#, and the 7nth string will have the range of A to C, while frettable if you need the other low notes. My preferences on a B string would be 061. Not too wobbly as an A, not too stiff as a C. And doesn't sound shite when you fret it.
@@schnooleheletteletto The re-entrant bass string idea ( C for the 8th, A for the 7th if I'm reading that correctly) is very interesting, I hadn't thought of that. What string gauge would you recommend for the high A at this scale length for the Brahms tuning?
I would say it could be louder, but it'll probably be audible in the right environment. The low E, OTOH, is noticeably quieter, but plugging it in helps a lot. It is a rather quiet guitar, but that's mostly because the action is so low.
Yes, a thicker string would make more sound... Since this guitar has a truss rod, you can always adjust the action for thicker strings. Remember they aren't acoustic strings (steel), they're nylon! You could also try carbon fiber strings.
80/20 is a material strings are made of, a bit different from phosphor bronze strings. -good to know acoustics are starting to have truss rods. Both "steel" strings and those with nylon between the winding and the core are acoustic strings, just different types. Classical guitars, those with nylon in them, may not be able to handle the greater tension of "steel" acoustic guitar strings, although I think yours is a sturdier guitar. The truss rod helps. Thanks for telling me about carbon fiber strings.
Right now, it's the stock strings (Labella). Surely there are better strings out there. I plan to buy a fairly normal 6-string pack and buy the two bass strings separately. I'll buy a larger low-E string to get a little more tension in it, since the original string was intended for F#.
With the exception of a minor Barre chord, such as [3 3 3 5 5 3 3 3]*, Barre chords are really hard, but they're always hard on a classical guitar anyway (wide, flat fretboard). I absolutely LOVE the jazz chords, however. I play bass and chords together a lot, which I really have fun with! (Remember, I have it tuned [E B E A D G B E]).
The minor one isn't too bad, and it sounds amazing, but any other barre chord is really tough! I guess you don't play those when you're doing classical style.
As an 8 string electric guy who mostly is stuck to a 6 when it comes to acoustic, this is the coolest thing I have seen.
It is really cool; I just love the fanned frets. And Ibanez used to make an 8-string nylon too, but without the fanned frets. I'd love to try the Ibanez some time.
The balance between low and high strings is much better with the nylon than the steel strings
I’d love to play the DOOM ost on that
You've been waiting a whole year for it, but as soon as I get mine I'm gonna play doom ost, animals as leaders, archspire, everything
Cool guitar. Can't believe it's only around $500.
What ? I have to test it soon.
WHAT THE FUCK if my classical guitar wasn't already my best instrument I'd get it right away
700+ now 😂
wow man nice guitar, I am happy for you :) And you are the first one in youtube that made a review about this guitar, sooo thanks . I want to see this guitar more often :D
Great demo, as a jazz enthusiast, I loved the tasty chords 👍🏻
what a beautiful instrument. Looks and sounds incredible. Thanks for demo.
Amazing instrument and you play very well.
Hola. cuanto mide la primer cuerda desde el puente hasta la cejilla? gracias
that looks really awesome and it sounds awesome as well.
great video, buying one now! I was really curious how these played having played their electric models.
Nice. I did have to spend some time sanding the top frets down to make them more playable, and the lowest and highest string don't seem to come through that great in the 1/4" jack, but I use a combo mic and 1/4" when I record it. I should probably open up the bridge and see if there's a way to improve the pickup coverage across the strings, but I don't record much with it, just noodle around for fun while I'm at my son's baseball games!
So you've had the guitar for a few months now. Would you still reccomend? Seems like a great pick up for $500.
I would love to try some other 8-stringers out for comparison, but they are not something you find in most guitar shops! I'm happy with it, except for the drop off in volume for the highest string. I'd probably skip the electronics and the cutaway if you want to save money. I prefer to mic it and I don't use the cutaway since I'm usually playing chord and bass.
hello. I wanted to ask you a question. How long is the length from the bridge to the nut of the first string of this guitar? Thank you.
It depends! The lowest string is 27" from nut to bridge, and the highest string is 25"! For fanned frets, the string length changes depending on the string.
Nice guitar! Thanks!
Hey. Would it be more playable if the fanned frets stared perfectly vertical at the nut, and got little it more fanned at the saddle instead? I am working on my own construction, I can choose freely. I want to combine guitar with a bow instrument and also test perfect octaves imperfect fiths fretboard I had the pleasure to calculate, so I guess noone can help me, except with advice. Like barre cord with index finger pointing away from me feels unnatural, but I only tried simulating it on a classical guitar.
First of all, a barre chord on ANY nylon is uncomfortable! The neck is just so wide and flat. But I would say you might be right -- A perpendicular nut might make barre chords equally uncomfortable as on any parallel fret guitar. I honestly don't notice the fanning of the frets at all when I play (though I avoid barre chords on nylons anyway).... sometimes I have to remind myself that they are fanned, because from the player's perspective, it actually doesn't look fanned at all!
A very nice tool!! Do they produce a Agile Instruments 7-string Classical-Guitar?
I think I've seen a 7-string at Rondomusic.com, but their stock rotates all the time.
I can't find this guitar on their website, only a steel string version. Do you possibly have a link?
Their stock and webpages fluctuate all the time, so I had to check for a few weeks until it said "in stock". Here's the link (I found thru Google): www.rondomusic.com/Renaissance_Classical_82527_Nat_Cutaway.html -- It says "sold out" right now. As I mentioned in one of my reviews, I would prefer to get the one WITHOUT the cutaway, because I never use those high notes, and I think the extra real estate could help the sound.
Never seen a fanned fret nylon classical. You can now play some theorbo sounding stuff.
Man said "let's take this thing for a test drive" and then proceeded to hit a bad ass jazz style progression lmao.
With the fanned frets it should be a Brahms guitar with a high A and low B like I tune mine.
It probably would be better to raise all the pitches by about a 4th, simply because the guitar can't resonate at the lowest notes. But my brain can't handle retuning!
@@JoyeMusiccom This is my issue with traditional 8 string guitars. the Low B packs a punch but the F# sounds kinda floppy.
@8StringVGM how do you get the high a string to be stable and avoid breaking?
@@jsonjsoff I use a hanabach 815 low tension E string and just take my time with it. It usually takes a good two or three days to get it up to tension. But an E string absolutely will not go up to A if the length is any bigger than 615mm
@@jsonjsoff also Phillips Bossett makes a specific Brahms guitar set. Those A strings are always fine
If its fretted like a brahms guitar, why not tune it as such? kinda defeats the purpose a little bit. Also move the guitar up from your lap, youre gonna get yourself tendinitis from tryna reach the 7nth string.
You'd have to change the strings to retune it that dramatically. It came tuned F#BEADGBE, and to make it easier for me to figure out which string is which, I detuned the F# to E, but I didn't compensate yet by putting a thicker string in, which I should do. Yes, I also now hold it more like a classical guitar, but I don't get to play it enough to even get tendonitis!
@@JoyeMusiccom I really advise trying it out as a brahms guitar tuning (BEADGBEA), even if its a first, it a fun challenge (at least it was for me) you just have to think that the guitar strings are moved a step down. You'll get the hang of it. Raising the guitar will help you reach, so you dont have to hold it like a cello. The low F string wont really do you any good in any repertoire, unless youre doing some weird arrangements or contemporary own written. I used it as a normal E or D string (same as your 6th) So you can have an extra open string while playing baroque, but trust me youre better off using it as a brahms guitar. Anything lower than a B doesnt really sound good on a guitar while fretted. Good luck!
@@schnooleheletteletto the scale on this is 27" to 25 1/2" so you'll have a hard time getting the high A working on the Brahms tuning. Down-tuning a whole step might work, something like ADGCFADG. Lower than B should be fine with the 27" scale on the low string, low A should be solid.
I think there's another version of these with a shorter scale that would work for the "standard brahms" tuning
A lot of people tune 8 strings:
ACEADGBE
providing some useful basses below standard tuning which can be nice for baroque music and lets you play some of the bass notes low like a lute would. I can't find the specific video where he uses that one, but this dude uses tunings like that:
ua-cam.com/video/RB5u85hic1E/v-deo.html
and it sounds great. Apparently that video specifically is A C# E A D F# B E
@@frtpwr, generally I agree with you, but with the right strings, trust me it works. No even need for the whole step down. It just makes it more annoying to find proper strings that doesnt sound too wobbly and feel too loose.
Ive played ACEADGBE tuning for many years. What you are describing however would be more suitable to use CAEADGBE. Switch the C to the lower note, so you can reach the A string better for usage of C and B in lute music. Also the C string should work better as a normal extra E string. You can use it as an F if needed, as well as a loose E string in D tuning, or a D string in E tuning. There is no point in spoiling a bottom low A string since you barely cant reach it while playing harder lute music anyway. Use it as a 7nth string, you will be able to reach it and have an extra E or D on the bottom that you dont need to fret. Also playing normal 6 string rep sounds better if you can tune the 8th string to an F and the 7nth string to a C. It rings out better. This meaning the string selection will actually be EBEADGBE. The 8th string has the range of D to F#, and the 7nth string will have the range of A to C, while frettable if you need the other low notes.
My preferences on a B string would be 061. Not too wobbly as an A, not too stiff as a C. And doesn't sound shite when you fret it.
@@schnooleheletteletto The re-entrant bass string idea ( C for the 8th, A for the 7th if I'm reading that correctly) is very interesting, I hadn't thought of that. What string gauge would you recommend for the high A at this scale length for the Brahms tuning?
Is your B1(61.7Hz) string too quiet acoustically for those who are 11 or 15 feet away?
I would say it could be louder, but it'll probably be audible in the right environment. The low E, OTOH, is noticeably quieter, but plugging it in helps a lot. It is a rather quiet guitar, but that's mostly because the action is so low.
Thank you. Maybe it would be louder with an 80/20 string.
Yes, a thicker string would make more sound... Since this guitar has a truss rod, you can always adjust the action for thicker strings. Remember they aren't acoustic strings (steel), they're nylon! You could also try carbon fiber strings.
80/20 is a material strings are made of, a bit different from phosphor bronze strings. -good to know acoustics are starting to have truss rods. Both "steel" strings and those with nylon between the winding and the core are acoustic strings, just different types. Classical guitars, those with nylon in them, may not be able to handle the greater tension of "steel" acoustic guitar strings, although I think yours is a sturdier guitar. The truss rod helps. Thanks for telling me about carbon fiber strings.
cuanto cuesta esa guitarra en dolares?
Sorry, I gave you the wrong link: www.rondomusic.com/Renaissance_Classical_82527_Nat_Cutaway.html .... It's ~$650 now.
@@JoyeMusiccom gracias. Thank you!!!!!
Track at 3:40?
That's my own little song...
JoyeMusic.com Sorry I meant track name, if you have it uploaded anywhere that is
Nice !
How can I order one?
Keep checking RondoMusic.com - Sometimes they have it.
Also reverb has them from time to time. They more often have the Ortega 8 string acoustic although it is not fanned fret. Around the same price too.
Which strings do you use?
Right now, it's the stock strings (Labella). Surely there are better strings out there. I plan to buy a fairly normal 6-string pack and buy the two bass strings separately. I'll buy a larger low-E string to get a little more tension in it, since the original string was intended for F#.
How do you feel the difference in terms of playing barcords or complex jazz cords?
With the exception of a minor Barre chord, such as [3 3 3 5 5 3 3 3]*, Barre chords are really hard, but they're always hard on a classical guitar anyway (wide, flat fretboard). I absolutely LOVE the jazz chords, however. I play bass and chords together a lot, which I really have fun with! (Remember, I have it tuned [E B E A D G B E]).
Beast? Hank?
barre chords must be hell
The minor one isn't too bad, and it sounds amazing, but any other barre chord is really tough! I guess you don't play those when you're doing classical style.
just don't barre all 8!!
But does it djent?