Rob then:"8 things I love about 8 strings guitar" Rob now:"8 things I hate about 8 strings guitar' Rob next--after break up with the 8 strings guitar: "8 things I miss about the 8 strings guitar"
Your bass player wont hate you if you show up to practice with an 8 string guitar. He'll just show up next time with a 7 string bass and get all up in your frequencies. Problem solved.
@@tombstonejones9581 I've found that with my 8 string, tuned to EAEADGBE, that even though the lowest E sounds plenty low, if I'm going to play in a certain key where I want to reach lower to be harmonically correct. Sometimes that's just reaching down to D, sometimes I wish I could reach down all the way to the low B like on a 5 string Bass. It's not that the low E isn't heavy enough, it's more of a matter of making the guitar track match up perfectly with the key of the song. In that sense I've had the urge for a 9 string whenever that comes up lol
@@tombstonejones9581 actually I don’t like 8 string guitars. As a guitar player AND a baritone vocalist, I hate singing in E or even worse F#. A note feels way more comfortable and natural. Ever noticed that djent bands often have girlish-like vocalists with high voices? Or super low like Brojob? So 9 strings is what would work for me. But since those extremely low notes sound (subjectively) like garbage to me, I just stay with my 7 string guitar and I’m absolutely happy with that
1. Doesn’t have a 9th string 2. Doesn’t have a 10th string 3. Doesn’t have a 11th string 4. Doesn’t have a 12th string 5. Doesn’t have a 13th string 6. Doesn’t have a 14th string 7. Doesn’t have a 15th string 8. Doesn’t have a 16th string
I don't have an 8 string but I do habe a 27 inch scale 7 string. And its so wierd having to play my les paul now because of the neck shape and the Paul has a 24 3/4 sale. I also habe a 25.5 inch scale 7 string which feels a lot better and conventional but ot needs new pickups so I can't okay it in an amp. Put if u okay a guitar with a strat scale length the 27 inch scale is way more easier to deal with imo.
I often switch back and forth between a knockoff les paul and my strandberg 8 string. Now that is something that will mess with you lol. The "les paul" has a skinnier neck, shorter scale length, and weighs a lot more. If I had to pick between the 2 I would never give up my strandberg though.
not only is it just genuinely nice for rob to talk about the downsides to 8 strings while selling an 8 string, it is really smart to warn people and avoid new players from splurging on an 8 string when they're not ready and prevent them from dropping the hobby early. it's also a great way for rob to sell 6 string guitars.
@@kronik5927 strings for my 6 string bass are over 60$ every time. I can end up spending hundreds on strings if I'm recording an album... you can get strings for around 40 bucks for a standard 6, but not for a multiscale
Shoutout to Ron Jackson, he plays 7 string in drop A for jazz, and offers loads of lessons for it. Fantastic stuff for a solo artist to play melody, basslines, and some super unique voicings!
I find it interesting that no one has mentioned Josh Martin of Little Tybee - He uses a 8-string guitar to play indie-folk fusion and has developed a lot of his own techniques for 8-string such as tapping whole triplets, and even techniques similar to Tosin Abasi's selective picking and string thumping. Definitely worth checking out their self titled album.
"In fact, if there is someone to use the 8 string to get chords and also get the bass notes at the bottom, maybe use some finger picking..." So basically Tosin Abasi.
Funny comment but just sayin I think his point was the "singer songwriter" kind of finger picking- not the super "metally" hardcore progressive kind that only a (at least currently) niche audience enjoys
@@DatHombre tosin does it all...just gotta find the songs. tempting time is one that has BOTH elements (prog/metal-ish + more traditional, almost folk-influenced). it was the song that SOLD me on him/AAL. and without jazz there would be no AAL.
Back in the day when all I've ever played was a 6 string, I was introduced to an 8 string and what they're capable of. So when I got the chance to go to guitar center, I found one and started playing it. Immediately I was blown away at how different it was and how unnatural it felt. After noodling with it, I decided it was too much and couldn't really get behind it. So then I picked up a 7 string and damn I fell in love. Now, 6-ish years later, I'll NEVER buy a 6 string again because there's no point. It was so natural to pick up a 7 going from 6. I did get the chance to pick up an 8 string after playing a 7 for years and it was new, and felt more natural, but it's still a bit too much for my taste. Maybe one day, but it seems like 7 strings is the sweet spot.
@@worhed3722 if they're not djent or math then what are they? If you're just gonna say they're progressive then you can reasonably say "well, they play hella low notes with complicated time signatures and polyrhythms and shit so they're djent"
Rob, thanks for these videos. I love my 8 string so much, it's gotten to the point where I feel completely lost without the low B and F# - although there are just so many variables with string gauges, scale lengths and construction across all types of guitars. They all sound different in some way. I absolutely love the 28" scale of my 8 string, and the crisp 9 gauge string gauge up to the massive 80 on the F#. You were one of my biggest inspirations to taking guitar seriously. Please keep on doing what you are doing!
I appreciate him showcasing the ups and downs to 8-Strings. My only input is, as one who also frequently plays 8-String guitars as many others, the 8-String takes time to learn because of the wider low end. With enough time and patience, you'll eventually learn control. I personally don't have any issues doing the strumming stuff and jumping from string to string but that still took a lot of time to learn how to work around and with those lower strings. I personally love the 8-String and it's versatility. It just requires a lot of patience to learn
All of these viewpoints and opinions are spot on. I was thinking about majority of them yesterday and especially how many solo artists there are now. Gotta dig in and find the jewel with an 8 string. I have some interesting ideas for it
I use drop tuning on a 6 string and it works great because there are a lot of big bar chords you can use. I wonder if tuning an 8 string differently would make strumming all strings more manageable and melodic.
I used to love 7 string guitars. AEADGBE made for some super crunchy barre chords and allowed for some cruncy dropped tuned riffs. Then I picked up somebody's G&L L2000 Tribute and felt a strong admiration for it. A light bulb later clicked on that I was filling in the low end that was missing from all the time I spent trying to get creative with my guitars and I bought my first bass. Sold all my guitars and pretty much control the rhythm section in the ideological band I want to create.
id love a behind the scenes on the transistions for this vid, mainly for the shot where you fall onto the dryer, i watched that one part like 6 times in a row trying to figure out how that could of been set up. its very good!
I enjoyed this. Great job. Has anyone else noticed a rise in 10-string classical guitarists (or is it just my YT recommendations)? I think that may end up being an analogue to the 8-string electric movement.
I’m just appreciating how hard you worked on a internet top choice content video. I usually don’t make it through those, but the transitions and the edits were top notch. Lol
As a 7 string player and an 8 string wanter I agree as well. I I like punchy sound of 7 and 8 which u can stil hear the lower notes cut a little bass out. Unless Your Animals As Leaders where I don't have a bass and the guitar player do both through percussion thumping.
I was listening to this in a background tab, I switch back to this tab and see Rob swinging back and forth on that swing. I did *not* expect that image!
@@sharko3211 I'm assuming he's the kind of person to say that bass players aren't as skilled musician because they "can't handle" more than four strings lol
I never realized how hard it was to find a band where everyone wants to use this, I finally found one where I have an 8, the other guitarist has a 9, and the bassist has a subcontra bass and I’m super excited to get to go that low
When I first started at going to a 9 after I finally went to a 7 (8 is definitely my sweet spot) but for people that might need a direction, it’s all about how you look at the guitar itself, whether it’s just jamming or songwriting. And what I mean is do you tend to look at it from high to low or low to high when it comes to chord structures. After I got a feel and fell into my groove, I noticed for more melodic rhythms, I’d automatically start looking at more of the high registry like a standard 6 (same with leads/solos). And when I just wanted to groove and play in that more “djent” percussive style, the low end became a fresh new feel. It’s definitely not for everyone, but trust me when I say, “DONT GIVE UP ON IT RIGHT AWAY” everything has a natural learning curve, just make sure you don’t forget to have fun while doing so.
Mate, thanks so much for this vid. Super informative and down to earth.. I haven't played an 8 string guitar but am on the verge of getting one.. This helped me make my mind up :)
The point about playing solo, I felt that in my soul. Story after my first notes, I don't play 8, I play 7 strings, but a lot still applies, from creativity, lack of educational material, no one tells you that hey, instead of having the bass knob mid, or a little back, to just roll it down to near nothing. One of my biggest obstacles, was tuning, I'm used to Baritone, but that means when I play in standard 7 string tuning, I stumble when I get to that F# string that's actually a G, so I tune them Baritone with an extra high string, but where I was going with that, The extra notes on the low end are a bonus, I don't worry too much, what I found that made it click for me, and made me fall in love with my 7 string... is having more note options in each position. So instead of 5th fret my low note being an A, it's an E now. I have those extra notes, every position, without shifting. Now to the story time. I've played a lot of solo material, and written that way, and I had started forgetting what it was really like to play with other people. Last year I got to work with a brilliant drummer that was just starting out. Absolutely had the best time making music with him, and that said, I can't thank you enough because it was your drum lesson/Tetris video that had brought us together to make music, Jonas was great. I miss him. Sincerely though thank you for inadvertently pointing me to the musical adventure I didn't know I needed.
A piano has upwards of 88 strings, with added multicoursed strings of the same tuning. I think more is useful, likely a technique with a thumbpick and finger-style chord playing is the best way to approach adapting to it- which is what I've seen some players do already. There's a really impressive 8-string player named Josh Martin who goes by Koalanights who uses finger-style to great effect. He plays in a band named Little Tybee
So happy for you that you are sponsored by Schecter, them and ESP are my favorites and you are really knowledgeable. I had never come across your channel until I saw your 8 string sig. personally I think multi scale is the way to go for 8, the difference between the lowest and highest string in terms of scale lengths needed is to great in my opinion and the individual length assigned to each string I feel gives the best results. I had an 8 string with a 28 scale length and the stretch was a bit to much to play fast while maintaining relaxation in my hand.
My biggest gripe so far has been finding a proper hard case. Maybe it's just an Agile thing, but none of the commercially available cases seem to fit right.
I had an 8 string for a while. Felt good to play, sounded great, but I suffered from #8: too many options. I just couldn't write music with the damn thing. I'd pick it up and play some ambient clean stuff and the odd Meshuggah cover and that was it. Sold it in mint condition, which I'm sure happens a lot.
I quit 8-string after I played mine in an awkward position for too long, didn't realize I was hurting myself (didn't hurt at the time) and ended up with some permanent nerve/tendon damage in my left wrist. Still can't bend it too far or it hurts, and still can't lift anything overly heavy with it, though I've been slowly rehabilitating it over the past year and a half. And no, it wasn't just simple carpal tunnel that can be fixed with a wrist splint or surgery like I was initially hoping, after I got it checked out by multiple hand/wrist specialists.
I'd like to see some acoustic 7 or 8 string guitars. Maybe that doesn't make sense to some people but I think it might really work with some finger picking and doing some more complex bass lines.
I’m just a guitar beginner here, but you know how many times I just want to reach down to a D without retuning to Drop D or a couple notes below that? It’s an awful lot and not because I’m playing metal. I used to play french horn which allows you cover a huge range. Most of the time you were doing accompaniment with other sections, a weird accompaniment by yourself that no other section was doing, or a solo depending on the piece or season. I really clicked with our low brass section then and wish I could hit some of those low notes again. Years later, I’m learning guitar and and the itch is still there. Even when singing, my harmony comes out like french horn because I'm mezzo soprano (can’t hit the highest or high or the bottom two alto notes), but I find myself pitching in where needed depending on the group I’m in and where our strengths lie. Since we’re amature, I'm often doing a weird third part or jumping in to do soprano if all we have is strong alto leads. If I was gonna play a 7 or even a 8 string guitar, I’d be doing something like THAT. Not taking the Bassist’s job. I wouldn't mind backing up a bassist while they are doing a solo at all. It'd feel normal to me as I’ve always been a floater.
I am a beginner, started just 4 months ago, but could not resist buying a 7 and 8 strings guitar. I now own a PRS Holcomb-7 and an Hellraiser-8 along with a standard Strat. I love all of them. The PRS is absolutely a monster but I needed something a little louder.
Glad to see those Corey Taylor clips again I think these two videos on the pros and cons have pretty much confirmed 7 strings instead of 6 or 8 for me. For the music i play, it's just more appropriate.
As an 8 string player I can honestly say these are all pretty accurate. It’s my favorite guitar I’ve ever played, and I’ve played for over 25 years and own both 6 and 7 string guitars, but I’m not blind to its drawbacks.
I'm still gonna get one :) eventually. I play my 6 string with the low E tuned down a lot kinda like a ghetto 8 string. Sounds pretty bad on the higher string guage
I play a 6 string bass and I gotta say, it's BEAUTIFUL. The deterrents are real, but pretty negligible if you want something like this (And yes, I recognize that guitar is very different. Haha)
Man, I REALLY miss playing with other musicians too. For me as a bass player, I expanded my range to accompany the lower tuned guitars by getting 5 and 6 string basses. It was a bit of a struggle at first, similar to what you are saying about the 8 string, but now that I've gotten used to it, I really like the 6 string bass. Enough that I got a second one 😁
For me, the problem I have when playing extended range guitar is the neck. When I play a 6 string, I put my thumb on the (I guess) lowest point of the neck. On a 7 or 8 string, that part is more to the left of your thumb, making it very difficult to play. I tried adjusting my grip, but it just doesn't feel as solid as a 6 string.
LOL Actually I wrote it before so here we go again: My extremely short fingers hate 7 and 8-string guitars, especially 2-inch pinky. Well, even 6-string guitar is difficult to play in some positions :D
You have to tune 2 more strings but since it's a more expensive guitar the tuners don't lose their tuning as fast so you don't have to tune it as often.
@@MediHusky I have a guitar that never goes out of tune and it has the cheapest tuners i ever experienced, like one twist can drop or raise it a whole step, so this idea that bad tuner give tuning issues i dont think is true, something else is going on, maybe the nut, or just the angles of the design. I didnt give this much thought until a youtuber mentioned the same things about his Dean guitar, having the worst tuners, but once you get it in tune it stays in tune he said. Had the exact same experience with my Tokai Love Rock.
One thing someone said to me was "Why have extra base notes when you can have extra treble." And that kind of opened up my mind to the possibilities of 7 and 8 string guitars.
1) Pickups have to be made for tighter sound so that the low 8 string isnt muddy. But higher strings can be too ice picky or too tight because of that 2) 8strings have longer scale lenght - your fingers have to stretch more and it also changes the attack of the strings (sounds more like a piano)
Rob then:"8 things I love about 8 strings guitar"
Rob now:"8 things I hate about 8 strings guitar'
Rob next--after break up with the 8 strings guitar: "8 things I miss about the 8 strings guitar"
1) string one
2) string two
3) string three
4) string four
5) string five
6) string six
7) string seven
8) string eight
@@conlangknow8787 String two... so many memories
@@conlangknow8787 yeah all I can think of is 8 low f strings being 8 good reasons
I hate to be that guy, but: the g string
It's called Bipolar Disorder lmfao
Your bass player wont hate you if you show up to practice with an 8 string guitar. He'll just show up next time with a 7 string bass and get all up in your frequencies. Problem solved.
The bass player won’t just come next time lol
@@AzathothsAlarmClock What's the point of a 9 string?
@@tombstonejones9581 I've found that with my 8 string, tuned to EAEADGBE, that even though the lowest E sounds plenty low, if I'm going to play in a certain key where I want to reach lower to be harmonically correct. Sometimes that's just reaching down to D, sometimes I wish I could reach down all the way to the low B like on a 5 string Bass. It's not that the low E isn't heavy enough, it's more of a matter of making the guitar track match up perfectly with the key of the song. In that sense I've had the urge for a 9 string whenever that comes up lol
@@tombstonejones9581 actually I don’t like 8 string guitars. As a guitar player AND a baritone vocalist, I hate singing in E or even worse F#. A note feels way more comfortable and natural. Ever noticed that djent bands often have girlish-like vocalists with high voices? Or super low like Brojob?
So 9 strings is what would work for me.
But since those extremely low notes sound (subjectively) like garbage to me, I just stay with my 7 string guitar and I’m absolutely happy with that
This arms race sounds like it will lead to the 8 string baritone guitar
Pros: Nobody can play your guitar normally
Cons: Neither do you
@4662698able I mean he’s not wrong
@4662698able Yep, that's the name of a band alright!
Pros: Djent
Cons: Djent
Djent can never be a con.
Peerless index finger strength from doing those 010s on your low string lmao
LOL
That's fair.
@@junglefett Djent also can never be a pro
1. Doesn’t have a 9th string
2. Doesn’t have a 10th string
3. Doesn’t have a 11th string
4. Doesn’t have a 12th string
5. Doesn’t have a 13th string
6. Doesn’t have a 14th string
7. Doesn’t have a 15th string
8. Doesn’t have a 16th string
13th*
@@Magma-33 I hope you're joking....
Are you Jared Dines in secret?
Yes!
@@is_and
*elevenst
*twelvand
*thirteenird
doesn't sound like a joke to me
You never realise how comfortable 6-string guitars are until you play an 8-string for a while
I don't have an 8 string but I do habe a 27 inch scale 7 string. And its so wierd having to play my les paul now because of the neck shape and the Paul has a 24 3/4 sale. I also habe a 25.5 inch scale 7 string which feels a lot better and conventional but ot needs new pickups so I can't okay it in an amp. Put if u okay a guitar with a strat scale length the 27 inch scale is way more easier to deal with imo.
4 string bass: hello
I'm the opposite. I've been playing 8 string since 2012 and 6 strings just feels small now. I cant really play anything without overshooting on a 6
Tbh I find my kiesel Zeus 8 more comfortable than most 6 strings
I often switch back and forth between a knockoff les paul and my strandberg 8 string. Now that is something that will mess with you lol. The "les paul" has a skinnier neck, shorter scale length, and weighs a lot more. If I had to pick between the 2 I would never give up my strandberg though.
So, there is the risk that Corey Taylor borrows your 8 string without giving it back?
That's why Slipknot stick to 6 strings
HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!
@Balmung Barbossa I know that they play 6 strings guitars, tuned in drop B or drop A
@@alexanderd.f.157 they have some drop F# riffs too
@@VasKurtas I need to update my Slipknot informations then :)
@Balmung Barbossa they probably played 7 in the early days, when 7 string guitars were popular
Love those transitions. And the place of the shoot looks so cool. Looking forward to checking out the music video man. Best of luck!
the music video is already out.
Yes
Lie make understanding Jonathan Davis
why is this top comment
@@johnhedgefield1530 cuz lie likes music is a legend
not only is it just genuinely nice for rob to talk about the downsides to 8 strings while selling an 8 string, it is really smart to warn people and avoid new players from splurging on an 8 string when they're not ready and prevent them from dropping the hobby early. it's also a great way for rob to sell 6 string guitars.
Shit I was *not* expecting Corey at the end. Coffee went all over.
That’s from the psychosocial banjo cover video
@@RyderHaas No its not. The part where he says how many strings you got like 14? Thats from the banjo cover
@@jii-ro7083 I mean it is from that time and not recorded recently
@@RyderHaas i swear coreys hair is longer in the second clip?
@@suddenswarm5944 it is
Also, 8 strings packs are so expensive!
A single bass string can cost as much as six string set, so I am not surprised
Nooooo
I'd rather buy strings for my 8er than my 10er. I paid almost $40 for a custom set of strings for my 10.
@@kronik5927 strings for my 6 string bass are over 60$ every time. I can end up spending hundreds on strings if I'm recording an album... you can get strings for around 40 bucks for a standard 6, but not for a multiscale
you can also find 7 string sets for like 5 bucks and just buy a single for the 8th... it's really not that bad
Morning, Rob!
I just finished watching your video!😂
Obligatory "Fuck you, Glenn!"
Where can i watch full video with Corey?
😻
Shoutout to Ron Jackson, he plays 7 string in drop A for jazz, and offers loads of lessons for it. Fantastic stuff for a solo artist to play melody, basslines, and some super unique voicings!
88 things I hate about 88 strings guitar also called "piano"
A piano has over 200 strings
@@DarkandBroody thank you for the correction didn't know that
@@Terasiax the higher notes use 3 strings per key and that reduces down to 2 and eventually just 1 string per key as the notes get lower
@@DarkandBroody yees them low tones do be more resonant
That would actually be more like 264 strings. 3 per key.
lol hilarious cameo by Corey
3:24
press f to pay respects to Rob's spine
I find it interesting that no one has mentioned Josh Martin of Little Tybee - He uses a 8-string guitar to play indie-folk fusion and has developed a lot of his own techniques for 8-string such as tapping whole triplets, and even techniques similar to Tosin Abasi's selective picking and string thumping. Definitely worth checking out their self titled album.
"In fact, if there is someone to use the 8 string to get chords and also get the bass notes at the bottom, maybe use some finger picking..."
So basically Tosin Abasi.
Funny comment but just sayin I think his point was the "singer songwriter" kind of finger picking- not the super "metally" hardcore progressive kind that only a (at least currently) niche audience enjoys
Basically Javier Reyes
John Pizzarelli does this already in jazz. However with a 7 not 8
@@DatHombre tosin does it all...just gotta find the songs. tempting time is one that has BOTH elements (prog/metal-ish + more traditional, almost folk-influenced). it was the song that SOLD me on him/AAL. and without jazz there would be no AAL.
@@ignoblesavage5559 I would love to hear Tosin sing, especially since they barely talk on stage, that would be amazing XD
Back in the day when all I've ever played was a 6 string, I was introduced to an 8 string and what they're capable of. So when I got the chance to go to guitar center, I found one and started playing it. Immediately I was blown away at how different it was and how unnatural it felt. After noodling with it, I decided it was too much and couldn't really get behind it. So then I picked up a 7 string and damn I fell in love. Now, 6-ish years later, I'll NEVER buy a 6 string again because there's no point. It was so natural to pick up a 7 going from 6. I did get the chance to pick up an 8 string after playing a 7 for years and it was new, and felt more natural, but it's still a bit too much for my taste. Maybe one day, but it seems like 7 strings is the sweet spot.
Cant wait for Davie to do this with his 36 string
1. *M O R E S L A P*
All the reasons are slap
That’s cute I have a 200 string guitar with a Floyd rose
Biggest artist in the guitar world, that fully utilizes 8 string chordal and finger picking techniques, that's why god made Tosin Abasi
Or dean lamb
@@worhed3722 Gotta love Archspire
@Balmung Barbossa well animals as leaders arent a djent or a math band so....?
@Balmung Barbossa umm nope
@@worhed3722 if they're not djent or math then what are they? If you're just gonna say they're progressive then you can reasonably say "well, they play hella low notes with complicated time signatures and polyrhythms and shit so they're djent"
Rob, thanks for these videos. I love my 8 string so much, it's gotten to the point where I feel completely lost without the low B and F# - although there are just so many variables with string gauges, scale lengths and construction across all types of guitars. They all sound different in some way. I absolutely love the 28" scale of my 8 string, and the crisp 9 gauge string gauge up to the massive 80 on the F#. You were one of my biggest inspirations to taking guitar seriously. Please keep on doing what you are doing!
I appreciate him showcasing the ups and downs to 8-Strings. My only input is, as one who also frequently plays 8-String guitars as many others, the 8-String takes time to learn because of the wider low end. With enough time and patience, you'll eventually learn control. I personally don't have any issues doing the strumming stuff and jumping from string to string but that still took a lot of time to learn how to work around and with those lower strings. I personally love the 8-String and it's versatility. It just requires a lot of patience to learn
I love this style of video. Be cool if you make more like this from time to time.
That bit with Corey gets me every time.
Rob’s just showing off how beautiful his set is.
All of these viewpoints and opinions are spot on. I was thinking about majority of them yesterday and especially how many solo artists there are now. Gotta dig in and find the jewel with an 8 string. I have some interesting ideas for it
was having a bad day til i saw rob uploaded a new video
I use drop tuning on a 6 string and it works great because there are a lot of big bar chords you can use. I wonder if tuning an 8 string differently would make strumming all strings more manageable and melodic.
What are your thoughts on 7 string guitars?
I love your transitions! thank you for the extra effort.
I love those corey taylor snippets :D
They're pure gold 😜
I used to love 7 string guitars. AEADGBE made for some super crunchy barre chords and allowed for some cruncy dropped tuned riffs. Then I picked up somebody's G&L L2000 Tribute and felt a strong admiration for it. A light bulb later clicked on that I was filling in the low end that was missing from all the time I spent trying to get creative with my guitars and I bought my first bass. Sold all my guitars and pretty much control the rhythm section in the ideological band I want to create.
i love how he always put a lot of effort even for a simple video
id love a behind the scenes on the transistions for this vid, mainly for the shot where you fall onto the dryer, i watched that one part like 6 times in a row trying to figure out how that could of been set up. its very good!
Going to upload all those falling on the laundry machine takes to the 2nd channel soon :)
I enjoyed this. Great job. Has anyone else noticed a rise in 10-string classical guitarists (or is it just my YT recommendations)? I think that may end up being an analogue to the 8-string electric movement.
I’m just appreciating how hard you worked on a internet top choice content video. I usually don’t make it through those, but the transitions and the edits were top notch. Lol
3:04 Thank you man! I play bass and I agree! You should let the bassist fill the bass.
As a 7 string player and an 8 string wanter I agree as well. I I like punchy sound of 7 and 8 which u can stil hear the lower notes cut a little bass out. Unless Your Animals As Leaders where I don't have a bass and the guitar player do both through percussion thumping.
@@ooferrell I agree with that :)
I was listening to this in a background tab, I switch back to this tab and see Rob swinging back and forth on that swing. I did *not* expect that image!
"ToO mAnY StrInGs"-my music teacher
same bro... he said that about 7 string guitars and 5 string basses and i'm just like bruh i wanna play deathcore wdym
@@spargelbob like you will never understand mr music teacher
My dad says the same thing to anything that doesn’t have 6 strings and says too little for anything less than 6
@@sharko3211 I'm assuming he's the kind of person to say that bass players aren't as skilled musician because they "can't handle" more than four strings lol
Too many notes, too many notes...
Road map is what I'm missing...but everytime I pick up my 8-string it puts a smile on my face.
3:21 I cried...
Been many years and you keep being amazing.. never stop doing what you do ! And that last clip was gold
maybe he doesnt know Tosin Abasi exists
Appreciate the honesty. Really cool for a guy with a signature model to pjt out this video!
And cool fuuny cuts!!
I never realized how hard it was to find a band where everyone wants to use this, I finally found one where I have an 8, the other guitarist has a 9, and the bassist has a subcontra bass and I’m super excited to get to go that low
I pity everyone who has to listen to you.
@@SamBrockmannImagine restricting your fun in making music by things random people you don’t know want
@@soups8146 , imagine not realizing why it's a problem playing super low.
@@SamBrockmannmaybe if they're listening on, like, raycons or something
@@paisleepunk , lolwut
just glad you uploading again♥️
I keep forgetting Corey Taylor can play. Lol Love how you got him in some of your videos.
When I first started at going to a 9 after I finally went to a 7 (8 is definitely my sweet spot) but for people that might need a direction, it’s all about how you look at the guitar itself, whether it’s just jamming or songwriting. And what I mean is do you tend to look at it from high to low or low to high when it comes to chord structures. After I got a feel and fell into my groove, I noticed for more melodic rhythms, I’d automatically start looking at more of the high registry like a standard 6 (same with leads/solos). And when I just wanted to groove and play in that more “djent” percussive style, the low end became a fresh new feel. It’s definitely not for everyone, but trust me when I say, “DONT GIVE UP ON IT RIGHT AWAY” everything has a natural learning curve, just make sure you don’t forget to have fun while doing so.
That tire swing got my like lol. Great vid tho
I'm still in love with this room
despite the pros and cons, even though i want to buy an 8 string i still cant afford it hah
Mate, thanks so much for this vid. Super informative and down to earth.. I haven't played an 8 string guitar but am on the verge of getting one.. This helped me make my mind up :)
I feel like the artist doing the best work on 8 Strings today has got to be Ihsahn.
Probably because he's not playing djent with them. lmao
The point about playing solo, I felt that in my soul. Story after my first notes, I don't play 8, I play 7 strings, but a lot still applies, from creativity, lack of educational material, no one tells you that hey, instead of having the bass knob mid, or a little back, to just roll it down to near nothing.
One of my biggest obstacles, was tuning, I'm used to Baritone, but that means when I play in standard 7 string tuning, I stumble when I get to that F# string that's actually a G, so I tune them Baritone with an extra high string, but where I was going with that, The extra notes on the low end are a bonus, I don't worry too much, what I found that made it click for me, and made me fall in love with my 7 string... is having more note options in each position. So instead of 5th fret my low note being an A, it's an E now. I have those extra notes, every position, without shifting.
Now to the story time. I've played a lot of solo material, and written that way, and I had started forgetting what it was really like to play with other people. Last year I got to work with a brilliant drummer that was just starting out. Absolutely had the best time making music with him, and that said, I can't thank you enough because it was your drum lesson/Tetris video that had brought us together to make music, Jonas was great. I miss him. Sincerely though thank you for inadvertently pointing me to the musical adventure I didn't know I needed.
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A piano has upwards of 88 strings, with added multicoursed strings of the same tuning. I think more is useful, likely a technique with a thumbpick and finger-style chord playing is the best way to approach adapting to it- which is what I've seen some players do already. There's a really impressive 8-string player named Josh Martin who goes by Koalanights who uses finger-style to great effect. He plays in a band named Little Tybee
He was allowed to shout at Corey and didn't die, what a unit
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So happy for you that you are sponsored by Schecter, them and ESP are my favorites and you are really knowledgeable. I had never come across your channel until I saw your 8 string sig. personally I think multi scale is the way to go for 8, the difference between the lowest and highest string in terms of scale lengths needed is to great in my opinion and the individual length assigned to each string I feel gives the best results. I had an 8 string with a 28 scale length and the stretch was a bit to much to play fast while maintaining relaxation in my hand.
“#1: the E string. #2: the A string. #3: the D string…”
My biggest gripe so far has been finding a proper hard case. Maybe it's just an Agile thing, but none of the commercially available cases seem to fit right.
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Davie504 shouldn't see this part, otherwise you'll be in a real problem Rob! He's gonna give you a hard time!
I had an 8 string for a while. Felt good to play, sounded great, but I suffered from #8: too many options. I just couldn't write music with the damn thing. I'd pick it up and play some ambient clean stuff and the odd Meshuggah cover and that was it. Sold it in mint condition, which I'm sure happens a lot.
Rob Scallon, the guitar lord
My heart dropped just as fast as your guitar did in that transition lmao
Wow totally didn't expect this...
I quit 8-string after I played mine in an awkward position for too long, didn't realize I was hurting myself (didn't hurt at the time) and ended up with some permanent nerve/tendon damage in my left wrist. Still can't bend it too far or it hurts, and still can't lift anything overly heavy with it, though I've been slowly rehabilitating it over the past year and a half. And no, it wasn't just simple carpal tunnel that can be fixed with a wrist splint or surgery like I was initially hoping, after I got it checked out by multiple hand/wrist specialists.
1:14 sooooooooooo... Sleep token?????
So much flex in this video. And i love it!
Can't wait for the new video.
How did Rob grow his hair back?
Probably a mixture of finasteride, anti androgen shampoo, and possibly some chemical intervention such as RU.
I'd like to see some acoustic 7 or 8 string guitars. Maybe that doesn't make sense to some people but I think it might really work with some finger picking and doing some more complex bass lines.
Don’t just ignore that hat situation.
Shave it off Rob, you'll look epic
I’m just a guitar beginner here, but you know how many times I just want to reach down to a D without retuning to Drop D or a couple notes below that?
It’s an awful lot and not because I’m playing metal.
I used to play french horn which allows you cover a huge range. Most of the time you were doing accompaniment with other sections, a weird accompaniment by yourself that no other section was doing, or a solo depending on the piece or season. I really clicked with our low brass section then and wish I could hit some of those low notes again. Years later, I’m learning guitar and and the itch is still there. Even when singing, my harmony comes out like french horn because I'm mezzo soprano (can’t hit the highest or high or the bottom two alto notes), but I find myself pitching in where needed depending on the group I’m in and where our strengths lie. Since we’re amature, I'm often doing a weird third part or jumping in to do soprano if all we have is strong alto leads.
If I was gonna play a 7 or even a 8 string guitar, I’d be doing something like THAT. Not taking the Bassist’s job. I wouldn't mind backing up a bassist while they are doing a solo at all. It'd feel normal to me as I’ve always been a floater.
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I am a beginner, started just 4 months ago, but could not resist buying a 7 and 8 strings guitar. I now own a PRS Holcomb-7 and an Hellraiser-8 along with a standard Strat. I love all of them. The PRS is absolutely a monster but I needed something a little louder.
2:20 is my favourite collab part
The place where you rec the video is so cool!!
For some reason my 8-string is smaller and a lot more high pitched
Is it a mandolin
How many strings does it have
@@icetea8780 yes, welcome to the joke
Glad to see those Corey Taylor clips again
I think these two videos on the pros and cons have pretty much confirmed 7 strings instead of 6 or 8 for me. For the music i play, it's just more appropriate.
Next video : 8 things about 8 strings that I am neutral with
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As an 8 string player I can honestly say these are all pretty accurate. It’s my favorite guitar I’ve ever played, and I’ve played for over 25 years and own both 6 and 7 string guitars, but I’m not blind to its drawbacks.
TLDR: There's more strings
I'm still gonna get one :) eventually. I play my 6 string with the low E tuned down a lot kinda like a ghetto 8 string. Sounds pretty bad on the higher string guage
I play a 6 string bass and I gotta say, it's BEAUTIFUL. The deterrents are real, but pretty negligible if you want something like this
(And yes, I recognize that guitar is very different. Haha)
Man, I REALLY miss playing with other musicians too. For me as a bass player, I expanded my range to accompany the lower tuned guitars by getting 5 and 6 string basses. It was a bit of a struggle at first, similar to what you are saying about the 8 string, but now that I've gotten used to it, I really like the 6 string bass. Enough that I got a second one 😁
so you're friends with Corey Taylor now. Sick
For me, the problem I have when playing extended range guitar is the neck. When I play a 6 string, I put my thumb on the (I guess) lowest point of the neck. On a 7 or 8 string, that part is more to the left of your thumb, making it very difficult to play. I tried adjusting my grip, but it just doesn't feel as solid as a 6 string.
LOL Actually I wrote it before so here we go again: My extremely short fingers hate 7 and 8-string guitars, especially 2-inch pinky.
Well, even 6-string guitar is difficult to play in some positions :D
Those transitions in both of the 8-String Video are next level for sure.
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Can't wait for "8 things I'm aggressively indifferent towards about the 8 string"
The fact that:
it weighs slightly more
it is made of the same material as your 6-string
the bass player quit the band 💀😂
(Needs 7 more)
You have to tune 2 more strings but since it's a more expensive guitar the tuners don't lose their tuning as fast so you don't have to tune it as often.
@@MediHusky I have a guitar that never goes out of tune and it has the cheapest tuners i ever experienced, like one twist can drop or raise it a whole step, so this idea that bad tuner give tuning issues i dont think is true, something else is going on, maybe the nut, or just the angles of the design. I didnt give this much thought until a youtuber mentioned the same things about his Dean guitar, having the worst tuners, but once you get it in tune it stays in tune he said. Had the exact same experience with my Tokai Love Rock.
@@mikejones-vd3fg I know what you mean. There's a difference between a tuner with good action and feel, and a tuner that actually holds it's tune.
the thing i hate about 8 strings is when im playing E and A power chords, i sometimes strike the other strings
8 strings, 8 things, 8 minutes... and 12 seconds😂
man all these locations rob as setup are great
dope room
One thing someone said to me was "Why have extra base notes when you can have extra treble." And that kind of opened up my mind to the possibilities of 7 and 8 string guitars.
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that corey bit was awesome
The drop on to the washing machine for no.4 definitely hurt more than he let on! Hope the pain was worth it for the transition Rob!
1) Pickups have to be made for tighter sound so that the low 8 string isnt muddy. But higher strings can be too ice picky or too tight because of that
2) 8strings have longer scale lenght - your fingers have to stretch more and it also changes the attack of the strings (sounds more like a piano)