haha, good one! i do not know if this is a local law or an America thing, but here the cops are required to tell you instantly why you are being pulled over. i'm sure a crafty cop or two have found a way to sneak the "how fast were you going" question in there in some other form, maybe
Unless its the BMW scooter thingy wich had seatbelt🤪 Dont know if it was ever sold in Canada tho. And if the law says you must use it since its propably the only one with seatbelt ever made. What an odd concept and luckily it didnt spread to other models.
@@hannutaskinen2032 bmw c1 with seatbelt: it was actually a feature to make it more accessible- due to the belt, windshield and roll cage, you didn't need a fitting helmet or personal motorcycle clothes- perfect for a shared vehicle. It was never aimed towards the "cool and fun" market :D I think it really made sense in that case, and it'd be nice if there where more motorcycles/ scooters aimed at "providing a good, dry, safe ride for people with limited equipment". That'd be a way to cut down on miles traveled by car, and move the perception of motorcycles a little further from "that hobby for crazy people" to "that smart, efficient, fun way to move one or two people".
I learned after my first two tickets on a motorcycle to just lawyer up. My regular dealership got me in touch with a specialist, never stepped in court, always got the tickets dismissed, and only once had dismissal with restrictions (dont get another ticket in 6 months). Well worth the $300 to avoid the headache and increase in insurance premiums. I also stopped riding sport bikes and switched to a DR650......more my style of fun anyways. Side note, thanks to the cops who pulled me over to let me know I had a light out or to check and make sure my turn signal wasnt jammed. Those kind of wellness/safty checks can save a life.....mine specifically.
Don’t confuse wellness checks with ticket fishing, though. Many cops will stop you for minor things like that just to sniff around and try to find something more major to cite you for.
@@brickson98mdefinitely. But even so, being made aware your indicator is malfunctioning is honestly worth the added douchebaggery. We all know no one's out there in the morning doing a pre ride check every single time, haha
@@brickson98mI'm sure you'll be happy your "rights weren't infringed upon" when you smack into a car because someone pulled out in front of you because they thought you were turning.
This is actually not a bad video. As a cop, I often watch these for fun to see some of the hilariously bad tactics that are offered up. I did note some discrepancies but I'm sure they are just jurisdictional. For example, here in Ca, we do not attempt to make plea deals. Additionally, If I know that a lawyer is hired for defense, that does not cause me to better prepare my case, as my case is prepared for report to an open and public court room (I would always have a professional case). The best way to beat a speeding ticket, is not to get it. Now, there are a million different kinds of departments, laws and officers that focus in different areas of enforcement. I typically am not interested in traffic (being a major metropolitan) officer, however, I will make an exception to stop an individual who is unsafe. If you're doing 100 mph in a 65 at 2 am with nobody on a desert freeway, I don't care. You are a willing participant in your own risk and are not actively endangering others. If you are doing 30 mph in a 25, weaving through traffic, dodging a pack of kids in the crosswalk all while talking on your cell phone, yeah, we're gonna have a little chat. Also, I'll help all ya speeders out (at least for Ca). There are two categories of speed law that are broken in this state. 1. Is driving faster than the posted speed limit. and. 2. Driving at an unsafe speed. You have a snowball's chance in hell trying to beat #1. But, #2 is actually the more common one that people are cited for. This means that the Officer must clearly present a case, showing that the speed the defendant was traveling, was in fact, unsafe. This means that if you can safely travel faster than the posted speed limit, it is technically legal. Disclaimer: I do not advocate, condone or encourage speeding or operating a vehicle in an unsafe manner. The above is just to provide insight if you happen to already be in this situation. Also, I cannot guarantee judgement by any judge or magistrate. Also, just because I probably wouldn't write you a ticket, doesn't mean that the next 10 cops you meet wouldn't. Drive safe, ride safe, and be safe. Cheers!
@@IdanKashani You will typically have your lawyer present the deal to the ADA or the Officer. You can, however, in infraction cases, purpose the deal directly to the Officer if you know a lesser charge (ie, no-point charge) and the subsequent associated Vehicle Code. Most people do not know the alternate charges and would typically rely on an attorney.
I think more cops need to focus on the “is it dangerous” aspect. They’d waste people’s time far less, and their own. Me getting a ticket when I’m going with the flow of traffic and I just got picked out of the bunch is the only way I’ve ever gotten a ticket. Is it really dangerous if everyone else is doing that speed? I’d argue it’s more dangerous to go slower than the speed of traffic and cause an obstruction. Same cop pulled me over both times about 6 months apart. Both times it was reduced to a parking ticket with the fine being doubled. It’s a money game for them, it’s not about safety. And it’s disgusting. Policing for profit needs to end. The oath sworn by officers needs to be kept in mind more often. And more expensive mental health testing and background checking needs to be done before people are hired. Hot head ego trippers are taking over policing.
I like how he actually puts in some work on his videos before hand. As opposed to the guys that just ramble on for the whole vids. Thanks for the hard work and great videos @FortNine.
bruh white people silently happy to take due credit away from the real MVP working they asses off with no recognition. cinematographer editor’s name sounds black or Fijian descent. give them props instead
I got pulled over in 2003 on my buddies 1975 Honda 49cc pedal-start moped. Pumped up the tires rock hard and wound it out on the biggest hill in town. Did a whopping 38mph in a 30 zone. The cop just laughed at me and asked if i was going for a speed record, i had to say yes and tell him how we preped the bike for the speed run.
As a police officer, this is a great presentation of the point of law. Just remember that those officers that write violations tickets are quite comfortable in court as compared to the disputant (certificate of achievement holders). Well done and excellent points by Kyla Lee of Acumen Law.
As a police officer, does the "just following orders" excuse make it easy to sleep at night when you assault good people in the name of unjust laws passed by corrupt beaurocrats? Or is it "just a job" that "they'd just get someone else to do"? Hope the pension is worth it.
Average citizen: "speed limits are for safety" the most Christian of motorcycle UA-camrs: "Here's how you get away with speeding". the motorcycle community really has a unique outlook on this whole thing don't we
@@CreatureOTNight ' Reeeeligion really doesnt in a modern soeciety apart from terrorising good everyday people' LOLzzxx....Any form of ideology like Fascism, Communism, including religion, has the capability to do that. Religion is just a symptom, not a cause.
The average citizen is unfortunately dumb, believes everything, usually they have a basic driver's licence for cars, and use them as the means to get from A to B. Road users who actually understand and enjoy driving, have a more advanced look on rules and safety, because they know their roads, and know themselves. Good speed limits are implied with strategically placed scenery, and not enforced with speed cameras. Trees close to a narrow road imply a greater danger, so drivers subconsciously slow down. This is why rally driving looks dangerous. Having a road be wide, with shallow ditches on the side and no brush or trees doesn't really pose a threat to the motorist, therefore you drive faster. Hence why circuit racing looks comparatively safe. You don't look at the speedo every 5 seconds while you drive, you get your info from the scenery. This is why speed limits sometimes seem dumb, and advanced road users are usually looking at how to circumvent getting caught while going fast.
"Here's how you get away with speeding" is a child's understanding of the content of this video. Christians are not prohibited by their faith from obtaining legal advice and/or services.
Both my parents are attorneys and I watched them get pulled over a number of times while growing up. The advice they're giving here is certainly good, especially if you're facing reckless endangerment for the speed your going. I don't ride a super-moto, I ride a DRZ400s. The kinds of tickets I'm facing are for things like, going 55mph in and 35. Everything is circumstantial and I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I'll tell you what I've found. If I get pulled over for speeding because I was trying to pass someone because it seemed they weren't paying attention, I'll be honest with the officer. That combined with finding a safe spot to pull over, they're going to understand that you're just out trying to have a little safe fun and you'd probably rather go a little faster to avoid someone on their phone than slow down. I can't even count how many warnings I've gotten over the years instead of actual tickets. Maybe the police are more understanding where I live, can't really be sure. There are a lot of variables and this video is certainly a good baseline. My point is, use your best judgment for the situation and above all, give them no reason to be nervous.
If you are doing 55 in a 35 I hope you get pulled over and ticketed. Who the hell are you to create dangers for others simply because you prefer to ignore posted speed limits.
a lot of stuff can sway a cop's opinion, definitely dependant on age and demeanor, also WHERE YOU LIVE IS VERY IMPORTANT. i live in a small town, everyone knows everyone, the cops know my parents, and the cops have known me since i was in middle school, so when i get pulled over, it's just them telling me to contain myself and be careful, and then we both drive off. for context i live in a town of 2,000 people. i feel like the bigger of a town you live in, the less likely you are to find a cop who will be understanding of your situation.
I once got pulled over after being lit up (without my knowledge) for about 2km doing maybe 110km/h around some corners in a 50km/h limit. After some banter with the cops ("nice bike" "thanks, do you ride?") he asked me how fast I thought I was going, I gave them an obviously bullshit "uhh... maybe 60 in a 50 zone?" ($250 is better than losing my license) to which he laughed, said "good answer", and let me off with a warning. It's important to scope out the cop you're working with before you follow this advice, as I'm pretty sure if I'd stayed perfectly silent for the duration of the traffic stop, they would have had my bike on the back of a tow truck in no time at all.
Fully agree... i did the same thing as you... but a little more 😬 anyway next cop shows up, first thing he said was "Yeah probably shouldn't do that hey" had a quick chat, showed him I'm a decent human with no prior record and he reduced my suspension by half and gave the minimum fine and ignored/didn't even acknowledge the other stuff I did.
@@bremcrumbs5450 Now that I'm thinking about it, I was on my way to a mate's place and my pockets were stuffed with bags of weed (was not intoxicated at all). Really dodged a bullet that night. If you just treat cops like the human beings they are, chances are they'll take it easy on you. If you're really unlucky you'll catch that dickhead on a power trip but, most of the time, they're just normal people working their shift trying to keep people safe.
Keep your veteran id in-front of your drivers license so he/she see it when you fish out your driver license. Most US cops are vets or atleast a good percentage.
I'm a cop and radar/lidar instructor. I can tell you my radar and lidar doesn't care about the size or loudness of your vehicle when it displays it's target speed. To make a valid speeding citation (at least in the U.S.) you have to have an objective target speed by a certified measurement device. For radar this means it is tested at the start of shift and immediately after the stop with tuning forks. Now if I see a motorcycle or car fly past at triple digit speeds...I can make the stop without an exact measurement for reckless operation (subjective)...but what we are talking about in this video is a standard, run-of-the-mill speeding ticket (objective). Also, I have cited dozens of cars for speed over the years...but I can't remember ever citing a motorcyclist for speed. Speaking for my department, we love motorcycles...one of our cruisers is now sitting outside just so we can park our bikes inside during our shifts. Edit: Other than that...pretty good advise. I don’t do the whole “do you know why I stopped you?” thing. I just introduce myself and say “the reason I stopped you is...”. Then as far as whether or not I ticket. I don’t base it on demeanor or anything like that...people have bad days, me included and I’m not looking to pile it on. I just say “do you know if you’ve been stopped for speed (or whatever the reason for stop) in the last year?” Some know, others don’t. Regardless, then I say “if you haven’t been stopped for speed in the last year in my records, I’ll get you outta here with a warning. If you have, I’ll be issuing a citation”. Sorta makes it less personal and more based on the need to remedy poor driving habits.
Thats a really good way to do things. I know my comment is late. Similarily, I do the same thing with writing up employees at work. I go by the standard and not personal relationships, because then everything would be personal.
This is old but the point is not that the radar will see a difference, but that the majority of the time an officer is more likely to think you are speeding and try to get you on a bike than in a car, where most of the time if you aren't speeding more than everyone else around is you won't be pulled over. But a bike doing 55 in a 45, same speed as everyone else, is actually quite likely to be pulled over instead of everyone else.
I'd have loved to be treated that way. I got my first ticket 6 years after I had started driving. Cop stopped me as I was accelerating on a lane that turned into an onramp/highway. I told him I'd never had a ticket much less a warning in my 6 years of driving, I'd appreciate if just this one time he could give me a warning and I'll happily accept the ticket if there's a next time. His response "My job isn't to give warnings" and then he also sent me to a mandatory inspection cause my bike was missing a few reflectors. IIRC he gave me only 48 hours to present for inspection or I'd receive a further fine. Oh and even better, I literally had a pack of reflectors in my backpack, I was trying to put the bike back to stock at the time so I had bought them. I told him that and he said "well then 48 hours should be plenty". Mind you I've never met a polite cop in my city so no real surprise there. Horrible culture of rudeness and power-tripping they have.
I had a mate whose father kept a notebook and recorded every traffic infringement of police he saw. Parking, speeding, traffic violations etc. Time, date, location. I don't know how he did it exactly, whom he spoke with or the exact words used but he never paid a speeding ticket when he made it known he had a book with years of records. He also made use of a loophole in vehicle registration in our country that allows you to register a vehicle for use as a tractor or agricultural equipment to be used on the road within a radius of, or driving between plots of land. He had a bunch of paddocks here and there. What an inspiring old bugger.
That was entertaining. As I live in Sweden and not in Canada those lawpoints did not help me but I was vastly entertained the whole time. As is usual with these F9 videos, they really are hilarious while still getting the points across. Please don´t change, ever...
I've never had a speeding ticket in my entire life. The simple fact is, that I do not speed (on purpose). I rather go slower and enjoy myself than always be on the "lookout" for speed traps. With all that being said, I found myself going a bit faster than I wanted to, on a number of occasions, while riding my motorcycle. It's easier to surpass the speed limit on a bike, especially at lower speeds. Going 50 km/h on a 800CC bike, one needs to pay attention. Just a squeeze of that throttle and you're doing more in a heartbeat. One of the best ways to stay within the limit is cruise control. It's a great way to "set and forget" while doing long rides. Thanks for the video Ryan!
Excellent video. I consider this television quality viewing. I actually used some of these recommendations and was successful. I enjoy all your videos but this one definitely stands out. I like the humourous takes on things,makes it thoroughly entertaining as well as informative. Your team does a great job and Ryan is an awesome host/commentator.
First of all I love your chanel. The content is just awesome. Now, I never commented on a video before but I really need to put my 2 cents on this one. I am a police officer in the neighbouring province of Alberta and from experience, traffic court is pretty much the same everywhere in Canada. There is a lot in this video that makes me cringe. A lot. And all coming from the Lawyer (she might still be a student). In 2020 I handed out 216 ticket violation. Only 1 motorcyclist and it wasn't for speeding, it was for unpaid registration. From my experience, Motorcyclist pays a lot more attention to the road, what's in front of them and what's coming up to them vs a regular automobilist. Therefore, they will spot us (the police) at about the same time that we can see them and immediately slow down, cutting the opportunity to lock on to get a good reading or estimation. Same thing with ricers hehe. So no, motorcyclist do not get more speeding tickets. The first thing that the lawyer said about the noise and the perception of smaller object is just plain dumb. Usually, to detect speeders I use instrument that are calibrated (laser or radar) that are in no way shape or form affected by perception... If I do not have any of my instruments here how I estimate speeds: - All of our police vehicles are outfitted with ICDVs (In Car Digital Camera). This camera is connected in real time to police car computer and shows gps location and speed that I can compare to my speedometer. This camera will also capture time of day and the other traffic around you and I. - I will follow you for however distance with the ICDV on and match your speed. Once I have stopped gaining on you and that you have stopped gaining on me I will have a very accurate estimation of your speed. I will follow and maintain for however time necessary to gather best evidence. Also comparing gps speed to speedometer speed along the way. Check your mirrors. I get tesla for speeding and they don't make any freaking noise. That's just a dumb argument. Now for what will be written on the ticket. Usually, when I am enforcing speeds I will be using a stamp for my ticket notes. This stamp is Cop Stupid proof. Its a fill in the blanks. On there there will be the serial number of the instrument, the time of day it was tested, how it tested that day, the traveling lane, traveling direction, traffic condition, if either you were gaining, leading, passing or alone, the time of day, road conditions, weather, temperature, speed estimation, distance, actual speed recorded and distance from the last maximum speed indicator and either if it was clearly visible or not and how many occupants in the vehicle and where they were sitting. She (the lawyer) is mentioning things about making your own notes. I think its a good idea. But the marking of "for my lawyer" on top is completely irrelevant. I won't try to access them because I really don't care about them. I have my own and those are the only one that I will use to demonstrate the commission of the offence. I don't need your notes to help me. Those are yours, to help you. If I needed your own notes to help me I would be in big trouble. Now for the pulling over part. Don't wait for "a safe spot" to pull over. Once I activate my emergency light it is because I determined the zone to be safe. Please pull over immediately. The longer it takes, the more suspicious I become even if you are trying to help. I can block a whole lane if I need to. And please for the love the Almighty, do not pass 2 intersections and then choose a spot in a Walmart parking lot. Recording is a good idea. Keep in mind that for instance at my service we are all outfitted with body worn camera (BWC). Also the nicer you are the nicer I will want to be with you. Its called reciprocity and we are equally subjected to it, good or bad (me included). Now for the officer/driver interaction part. At the time of the traffic stop for speeding, all my driving evidence has been gathered and the commission of the offence has been terminated. My investigation for the speeding is terminated. The fact that you admit it or not is irrelevant. Now, what i need to do is to confirm your identity, valid insurance, valid registration confirm that you have the ability to operate the vehicle. That's it. When I get to your window I will not ask you "do you know why I am stopping you?". No. Lets be honest, you know why. What I will do is immediately state the reason of the stop and require your DL, Reg and Insurance. Pass Mandatory Alcohol Screening (MAS) when not in covid and if everything checks out I will go back to my vehicle and issue the citation. I am really not interested about the excuses (unless its funny) or arguments on the side of the road. The less we talk the better for both us. For your identity is just a piece of gov id with photo that match your face, thats good enough, I don't know why the lawyer was concern about you giving too much information for identity, it never came as an issue. For my service, there is no difference between a $25 dollar jaywalking ticket or a $400 speeding ticket. A ticket is a ticket. So if you are going 30 over, I can give you 15 over, don't be a dick. In the case that you fight it and lose, the maximum the judge can give you is 15 over and not 30 over. Thats still a win right there. Now. When you make the decision to fight it, which you should always do, this is what is going to happen. First, a Justice of the Peace(JP), which is the prosecution for traffic court, is going to review the ticket. If there is an error anywhere on the face of the ticket it is automatically getting tossed. Could be a simple spelling error on the charge or date or your name. Fatal error. Second, for reason that entirely belongs to the discretion of the JP. He can decide if he wants to prosecute or withdrawn. Not you nor me nor the judge can argue with it, its their privilege. I would estimate that close to 20% of my tickets is getting withdrawn if contested with no reason provided other than just because. So that's good for you. Now lets say there is another 20% chance I don't show up. You are now at 40% chance that you are not getting anything just by contesting it. Those are good odds from the get go. Now, lets say that its not withdrawn from the get go and that I show up, now what. Unlike what the lawyer said, we (officers) don't decide on the "behind closed doors deals". Its the JP that require us to inquire with you to see what you want you want do to do. The JP will almost always give us a "deal" for you. It will either be less money, less points or lesser fine. Again, the JP could also have decided that you know what, lets just withdraw it just cause. Or he could have asked me how the intervention went and if I say "good no concern" and its super busy he could also make the decision to withdraw it. So again good for you, you didn't have to say a word yet and you were decent to deal with in the first place. Now let's say we have a conversation behind closed doors for the "deal of the century". I couldn't care less about what you have to say about the ticket, this conversation is about you pleading guilty to a lesser fine or trial. The reason the JP makes us have the conversation with you instead of doing it himself is because he has got 14 cases at the same time. He is too busy. We are government employees. We get paid the same no matter how or not we work. There no advantage for us to drag it on just to prove a point. If you need more time to pay it can also be arranged at that time. And all that without lawyer fees. Now if you decided to go through trial, contrary to what she has mentioned, we do do the cross examination on you, the JP does and they do it all the time and they are good at it. On the other hand, I will get on the witness stand and attest of my evidences. You will have the opportunity to cross examine me and my evidence. I would not recommend you doing this on your own. Most of the arguments that was brought up in the video could have easily been answered by me looking at the judge with No and Ok. And that would be the end of that. Here is my opinion on how to beat a speeding ticket "Most" of the time and without any lawyers fees. All and all keep your eyes peeled for us, know the speed traps, be nice (I know it sucks, i get speed cam ticket to every new place I go) and take the deal. Its not worth to get a expensive lawyer with no guarantee of different outcome, just guarantee lawyer fees. Except for serious traffic offences, then get one. If not hey are sharks just like us looking to take money from your pockets and put it in theirs, its a business. I know I am late, just subbed to the chanel. Hopefully people can still read this comment and pass the word around. Thanks for reading and again I love your videos. Be safe.
Also, the judge will never ask you what the fine should be. That's not happening. If found guilty you will get the full charge proposed by the crown. This is where the power of the "deal" that was made prior or not comes into play. The judge will only ask you if you are willing to pay now or later. The judge will not charge you more if its a "set fine" no matter your priors.
i read like half of it because its pretty late and im tired but thank you for taking the time to comment on the video with your perspective. wish it got more attention here. if anyone's actually serious about this ticket stuff they should really read what you have to say.
This all makes sense to me except for the 'safe spot' advice. I will wait for the Walmart parking lot, both for the officer's safety and my own. Blocking a whole lane with your vehicle is surely more dangerous.
Bravo FortNine crew. The quality of your videos & the efforts put in are greatly appreciated. Can't believe you guys haven't been snapped up by TV. Can't express it enough I really dig what you do & have done in the past. Keep up the good work 😆
Got pulled over for speeding around a burning truck on a ninja 250....😂😂😂. Ultimately they understood and let me go but I still thought it was hilarious they went after me and not the truck that was on fire on the highway
I have a Ninja 250r, truck would have to be burning for you to overtake it (LOL) unless you bug stamped down 3 gears and nailed the throttle to red line.
Retired popo here. Great vid. Excellent advice from the attorney. Always go to court if cited. If you can afford it, get an attorney. Even if 100% guilty you may reasonably ask the Court for a break if you can think of a reason why, especially if you’re driving record is good. Carry all required paperwork and your DL. Cooperate with the Officer. And lastly...drive safely and most of the above is irrelevant.
Can't help but admire the coloration of the wide angles. Scene set, camera ground up, sun blocked by presenter, and still having a well contrasted image... you've got yourself a fine set-up. Bureaucracy can be beautiful!
I miss trucking up in British Columbia. What a beautiful place. Only ticket I ever got was a fix it ticket for a light. Fixed it right there and the officer entered it into the system as fixed. Very nice and very professional police officer.
In nearly 40yrs of driving/riding, I've only been pulled 3x. Two for speeding. One warning, one ticket. Ticket was in 1991, 70 in a 55. Long story, but skip to the end: Officer handed me the $130 ticket and said, "Kind of expensive, huh?" I smiled and said, "Well if you divide that by the number of times I didn't get caught, it's not too bad." He chuckled, and walked away saying "Slow it down before you get hurt, or hurt someone else." I mailed it in with a check.
I had no idea he did vids in Canada let alone my beautiful province. Outstanding video, clean, informative. And down right good old entertainment. Keep up the good job
great video, what you said at the end reminds me of my dad, he was traffic police in the 70's , times have changed but humans havn't. One bit of advice he gave was when at the roadside, was to maintain that you knew what you were doing, be a decent person, it has got me off with just warnings. He was always amazed how people always complain about being caught when breaking the law. Either way, man up, girl up, learn from it. Thanks.
Ive seen people get pulled over on a riding mower, heck i got pulled for riding my bicycle on the sidewalk of a major highway (cop said i shouldve been on the road where cars are going 60mph, no ill take the ticket thank u)
Whoah! Loved the closing through about "taking the medicine." Was fully expecting that to be omitted, as it often is. From personal experience "taking my medicine" and...getting completely undeserved, beyond generous "warnings," the best things you can do for yourself are all upfront, in how you respond to the *WHRP WHRP*, and being a decent human. Those points, picking a safe pull-over point, recording the incident discretely if at all, showing your hands as clearly at-rest as possible, and just generally being non-combative, go so very far in whether you get a piece of paper at all. I'll add "remove your helmet" to that list, as helmeted henchmen exist as a trope precisely because it makes it hard to relate to someone when their face is hidden.
The lovely lawyer is right about sounding louder. Got pulled over a few years ago in a car, Officer told me I was stopped because it sounded like I was speeding. I laughed and said good luck with that one in court. He gave me a warning.......
@@broncosgjn he can stop any motorist. you are required to carry a licence and insurance. that gives him grounds to stop. Sometimes its just to let you know that he is around. Its an internet myth that cops need proof of a law being broken since they have authority to check compliance for a wide array of document and equipment checks as well as sobriety. Don't watch those sovereign citizen vids
@@colincook2360 I was a police officer for 23 years. You need a reason to stop a car. That can be as you say a licence check or a registration and insurance check or a road worthy check. That is my point. You require a reason. The real reason might be that the occupants look like dirt bags and you want to check them out but you don't say that. If you find something and it goes to court you will have to tell the court you reason for stopping the car.
1 thing that should be mentioned in BC is that the cop has the ability to just guess your speed, and no matter what that speed is (if there isn’t some other technicality to get off from) the judge can only adjust the speed you’re fined for by 10kph +/- whatever the cop says it was. They don’t need a radar, or any evidence whatsoever. And how can a lawyer for even 1 or 2 hours possibly cost less then 99% of tickets?
How about the increase in insurance premiums for however long the government-mandated car insurance monopoly in British Columbia decides it wants to? On top of their already ludicrous premiums, that is.
I always talk to the officers. When they ask me if I know how fast I was going, I'll answer by saying something along the lines of 'evidently fast enough to draw your attention' or something similar. I try to answer with a positive attitude and engage the officer in a conversation. If (s)he's having a bad day, I try to make it better for them. A good joke can help too. I've found that this approach works better than any other and, if I do get a ticket, the officer will typically reduce the charge right there from what (s)he told me my violation was. Just remember that cops are people too.
that's good advice. others may think down on us for this but it's just basic human psychology. cops are used to dealing with the worst in us, so a genuinely nice interaction with a normal citizen could prompt some respect back from them. so long as they don't notice the bodies, of course
It really does come down to the good old stand by. Don't be a dick. You know the drill. License, registration, and proof of insurance. Stop somewhere where they won't be in danger talking to your dumbass. Just because you have the right to not speak doesn't mean it's the best strategy.
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HONESTLY ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS have ever seen on UA-cam. Helpful, great topic, efficient delivery, superb video quality and editing. I’m really impressed. Can you do one for the US folks? Lol, great video. Makes me a subscriber for life.
I once wanted to challenge in court an "improper passing" ticket but I was afraid because the ticket said "if you are found guilty at the end of the trial you'll have to pay $500" and the ticket was like $125 with 3 points on my license. But I wanted to tell the court that the only reason why I passed a car at a double yellow was because I was basically tailgating someone a while after midnight, 35mph zone and the guy was doing 25mph, he was smoking and swerving within his lane and I saw his phone on and him tapping on it and I just didn't feel safe driving behind him. The safer thing to do was reduce my speed and stay away but then I would be driving way under the speed limit and that could be dangerous and I didn't want to annoy anyone on the road so I made sure there was no cars incoming for about a 100ft making sure there was no incoming cars in a quarter of a mile away and I passed the guy, but because I was tailgating him and looking passed him I couldn't see the cop and that's how it happened.
You don't have to go *way* below the speed limit, just go 20 mph for about 20 seconds then match his speed. If anyone is annoyed behind you pull off to the far side of your lane and let them illegally pass. Had you not illegally passed, there's a good chance the cop would've pulled that guy over instead.
@@spicytea735 and so on a bike, at night, going below the speed limit, with another set of red lights only 50m ahead of you - a perfect way to get run up your ass.
I just realized ur talking about Canada! In USA they need a warrant for ur recording device. Only thing we need to say is "I'm exercising my right to remain silent."
8 years ago I was running a bit late to work and hit 17 mph over the limit on my VTX1800. I pulled over in a vacant lot, cut the engine and took off my helmet. I did admit fault of speeding and apologized so he cut it down to only 10 over. He recognized I didn't have an M license (4 previous officers either didn't notice or care) so he cited me for that and also saw my inspection was out by a month too. He got me on the speeding (which I knew I committed) from "pacing" me which isn't an acceptable way to prove speeding. Regardless, I was courteous and admitted guilt but he still let me ride off to work knowing I didn't have a license. The court claimed I was very courteous to the officer so they voluntarily threw out the expired inspection and the speeding but only fined me ($200) for no license with only the stipulation that I'd have to have no violations in the next 6 months and it'll go away like nothing ever happened. I didn't even need a lawyer or argue with them for this. Attitude and recognition of mistake means more that evading responsibility.
@@rigrijalvac Same her in Finland with the cameras, but trying to escape a motorcycle police, NOPE. Unless you are truly an unusually great rider and have a bike capable to handle different terrains.
@@motogordo5525 how amazing of a world we live in where as she invites the positive reviews and sues the negative reviews knowing fully that she is well equipped to cause more damage to a person who just lost a case with her as his/her lawyer. Seeing how trigger happily she filed a lawsuit because a negative review on Google plus, i believe she earned that negative review.
Moto Gordo from the analysis in that document "[36] In my view this action should never have been brought." I don't know if she's a good lawyer or not, but she's a fucking bitch for going after a disgruntled online reviewer. If anything the judge should've charged the court costs to them for their predatory and intimidating tactics.
michael klinge from the analysis in that document "[36] In my view this action should never have been brought." I don't know if she's a good lawyer or not, but she's a fucking bitch for going after a disgruntled online reviewer. If anything the judge should've charged the court costs to them for their predatory and intimidating tactics.
Hi man, I don’t know your name, but what you just did is very helpfull of some thing happen to us riders. Thanks so much again. I’m from Europe and we have different rules, Milo.
As soon as you contact a lawyer. You're going to be more financially screwed than just paying out the infringement. Going down this path must only be done based on the principle of the situation and not any perceived economic benefit. A half-decent lawyer will burn through the cost of a speeding ticket within MINUTES!
Why would anyone but a lawyer prefer to pay you rather than the state. As hyperbole to prove a point, the lawyer will use the money to buy a holiday house pushing up house prices for average Joe, while the speeding ticket will go towards community projects and building infrastructure.
@@jeffmellow Valid point re policing for profit. My insurance doesn't change with one or two minor speeding offences. Does depend on how good you are speeding though. +30 kms here is instant loss of licence. Worth fighting that one.
Solid advice - some subtle differences here in NSW Australia but the advice to be respectful, only answer the questions you are required to (name address owner and where you are going), do not raise to the bait the cop throws at you (they do this all day - they are quite good at getting admissions) get a solicitor if you are going to defend, and be polite even if the cop seems antagonistic because it is always better to seem the more reasonable human in any exchange. Nice work Ryan and well expressed by Kyra.
Your video brings up some very good points...... If you live in Canada. On the other hand if you live on the other side of the border it's not normally the same. herein the states most officers will tell you they would rather chase down a cage rather than a bike. I've found that you can normally tell what an officers demeaner is by the first words out of his mouth when he approach's you. For example; I've been stopped three times in my 50 years of riding. (I'm 63 btw) my first offence at age 10 was on a Rupp Mini bike while riding in the ditch along my parents property. This was a ditch that ran along the road side that we maintained but technically was still a part of the road next to it. and the officer was a state trooper that lived in the area and he through the book at me. he got me for no registration, no license, impeding the posted speed limit, no directional indictors, and no lights. when it went to court the judge asked me what sort of a motor cycle it was and I told him and he dropped all the charges as it was a first offence and told the officer that he should find a better use of his time and the courts and to stop harrassing the local children. My second offence was here in North Carolina where I live 5 years ago at a 5 way intersection with a traffic light while stopped for the red light the light changed t green and I pulled a head as I should have when I got pulled over about 200 yards after the light by a local officer when he approached me he had a smile on his face and was very polite. in fact when he asked me if I knew why he pulled me over I actually stopped and thought to my self is this going to be multiple choice? Than I replied saying that based on your smile officer you want my autograph? and he did he even shared it with me by gifting me a ticket for going through a red light that was actually green. my most recent traffic stop was by a local state trooper for going 80 mph in a 45 mph zone on a Suzuki Burgman 650. I saw the officer and started to slow down but it was to late his radar already had me. but because he pulled out on to the highway as I pasted him I knew what was next so I just pulled over for him. As he approached my bike I was dismounting so I could get to my wallet and he very quickly told me to stay on the bike. to which I replied if you want my information I need to get to my wallet and to do that I need to get off the bike. now he could have impounded my bike and taken me to jail. he could have given me a ticket as well. but he didn't he just ran my information gave me back my license and paper work. Looked me in the eyes and said. how big is that moped any way I've never seen one go that fast? To which I explained that it was actually a 650 scooter on steroids. we chatted about my bike for a few minutes before he told me he was letting me go with a warning. learning to read an officer as they approach you is also a big plus as well not to mention ridding in charity events that they sponsor is also to ones advantage as well.
Man, I wish I'd seen this video 10+ years ago when my (then) bike got impounded; I only found out later that the traffic stop itself was illegal. It was a small consolation though when I found out that the officer in question had been fired for leaving his firearm by the side of the road :-|
00:42 I completely agree with her on the "Louder means speeding". My 2004 nissan sentra had broken flizible pipe that morning, was on my way to school/class and scheduled an appointment to get it fixed later that day. It was a 25mph road and a couple of cops were standing outside attending some other car. I had my windows rolled down. I drove 25mph (I'm not stupid to drive faster than that in a residential area and not dumb enough to driver faster even after I see police) anyway, the police yelled at me " drive slowly", I said, sure. I accelerated what sounded like I'm doing 65mph, while I was merely doing 5mph and I saw the face of the other cop who was near my window understood what went wrong. lol.
@JoMan I just got a speeding ticket up in Vermont/New Hampshire. The cops here seem to have a lot of free time on their hands since nothing happens their usually. My thing is, I crossed a bridge from Vermont into New Hampshire and they mentioned they could call another officer since the infraction happened before i got to the bridge. I decided to fight this since it's a pricy ticket.
here in germany you can only get caught for speeding by radars and i believe it was 60 or 70% of the speeding tickets are incorrect because the radar wasnt standing in the perfect angle or there are multiple vehicles on the photo and so on. actually most of the time no one will even try to find out who you are if you got caught by a radar while riding a motorcycle since most of the radars only take photos of the front of the vehicle where obviously there is no plate. if you are dumb like a 17 year old last year who rode like 18 times in a 30kph zone with 120kph and showed the middle finger to the radar in one day you get busted really quick because they try to find out the model of the bike and your safety gear, then they visit you at home and take a look at your closet to see if it was your gear. most of the time IF there is ever gonna come something you can just say "i didnt ride, my bike is parking in my garage with the key in the ignition and my garage is not locked so me or all of my friends could save the bike quickly in case of a fire. probably one of my friends was riding but i dont know who" and your fine. also if youre not going faster than 30kph over the speed limit, what you pay is pretty resonable most of the time
Great video. I'm really enjoying your channel since UA-cam's algorithm sent you to my feed. I'm probably a much older rider than most of you on this channel. I have been riding 50 years on the street as of January 2021. I bought a book in the early 1980s called "The Ticket Book" by Rod Dornsife c1978, ISBN 0-9601950-1-7, a former police officer. I beat two tickets back in the early days of Radar and Vascar with the knowledge gained from it. A lot of the information is probably out of date, but it is still a good read.
the only acceptable response to “do you know why i pulled you over” when you’re on a motorcycle is to say “i wasn’t wearing my seatbelt?”.
haha, good one!
i do not know if this is a local law or an America thing, but here the cops are required to tell you instantly why you are being pulled over. i'm sure a crafty cop or two have found a way to sneak the "how fast were you going" question in there in some other form, maybe
Unless its the BMW scooter thingy wich had seatbelt🤪 Dont know if it was ever sold in Canada tho. And if the law says you must use it since its propably the only one with seatbelt ever made. What an odd concept and luckily it didnt spread to other models.
I can't wait to use that one
@@hannutaskinen2032 bmw c1 with seatbelt:
it was actually a feature to make it more accessible- due to the belt, windshield and roll cage, you didn't need a fitting helmet or personal motorcycle clothes- perfect for a shared vehicle. It was never aimed towards the "cool and fun" market :D
I think it really made sense in that case, and it'd be nice if there where more motorcycles/ scooters aimed at "providing a good, dry, safe ride for people with limited equipment".
That'd be a way to cut down on miles traveled by car, and move the perception of motorcycles a little further from "that hobby for crazy people" to "that smart, efficient, fun way to move one or two people".
"Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"Because I let you?"
A good lawyer knows the law a great one knows the judge.
b16da9 no
@@thecatskitten6302 What do you mean? Courthouses are inundated with all sorts of politics.
That's corruption.
Literally.
@@calvinnyala9580 That's America literally, when I figured out how much BS was in our system I was pissed. But I can't do anything about it.
So the "great" lawyer is a lazy spineless shit who is useless when a great judge presides the court, right?
I learned after my first two tickets on a motorcycle to just lawyer up. My regular dealership got me in touch with a specialist, never stepped in court, always got the tickets dismissed, and only once had dismissal with restrictions (dont get another ticket in 6 months). Well worth the $300 to avoid the headache and increase in insurance premiums.
I also stopped riding sport bikes and switched to a DR650......more my style of fun anyways.
Side note, thanks to the cops who pulled me over to let me know I had a light out or to check and make sure my turn signal wasnt jammed. Those kind of wellness/safty checks can save a life.....mine specifically.
Don’t confuse wellness checks with ticket fishing, though. Many cops will stop you for minor things like that just to sniff around and try to find something more major to cite you for.
@@brickson98mdefinitely. But even so, being made aware your indicator is malfunctioning is honestly worth the added douchebaggery. We all know no one's out there in the morning doing a pre ride check every single time, haha
@@nicholasmanson8615 nah, I’d rather have a malfunctioning indicator than have my rights infringed upon. 🤷🏻♂️ but that’s just me.
@@brickson98mI'm sure you'll be happy your "rights weren't infringed upon" when you smack into a car because someone pulled out in front of you because they thought you were turning.
This is actually not a bad video. As a cop, I often watch these for fun to see some of the hilariously bad tactics that are offered up. I did note some discrepancies but I'm sure they are just jurisdictional. For example, here in Ca, we do not attempt to make plea deals. Additionally, If I know that a lawyer is hired for defense, that does not cause me to better prepare my case, as my case is prepared for report to an open and public court room (I would always have a professional case).
The best way to beat a speeding ticket, is not to get it. Now, there are a million different kinds of departments, laws and officers that focus in different areas of enforcement. I typically am not interested in traffic (being a major metropolitan) officer, however, I will make an exception to stop an individual who is unsafe. If you're doing 100 mph in a 65 at 2 am with nobody on a desert freeway, I don't care. You are a willing participant in your own risk and are not actively endangering others. If you are doing 30 mph in a 25, weaving through traffic, dodging a pack of kids in the crosswalk all while talking on your cell phone, yeah, we're gonna have a little chat.
Also, I'll help all ya speeders out (at least for Ca). There are two categories of speed law that are broken in this state. 1. Is driving faster than the posted speed limit. and. 2. Driving at an unsafe speed. You have a snowball's chance in hell trying to beat #1. But, #2 is actually the more common one that people are cited for. This means that the Officer must clearly present a case, showing that the speed the defendant was traveling, was in fact, unsafe. This means that if you can safely travel faster than the posted speed limit, it is technically legal.
Disclaimer: I do not advocate, condone or encourage speeding or operating a vehicle in an unsafe manner. The above is just to provide insight if you happen to already be in this situation. Also, I cannot guarantee judgement by any judge or magistrate. Also, just because I probably wouldn't write you a ticket, doesn't mean that the next 10 cops you meet wouldn't.
Drive safe, ride safe, and be safe.
Cheers!
🤝
While watching this video, I found myself saying "Or just dont speed.."
How does one go about trying to negotiate a plea deal in CA? Do we ask the officer or the prosecutor? I know lawyers do it all the time.
@@IdanKashani You will typically have your lawyer present the deal to the ADA or the Officer. You can, however, in infraction cases, purpose the deal directly to the Officer if you know a lesser charge (ie, no-point charge) and the subsequent associated Vehicle Code. Most people do not know the alternate charges and would typically rely on an attorney.
I think more cops need to focus on the “is it dangerous” aspect. They’d waste people’s time far less, and their own.
Me getting a ticket when I’m going with the flow of traffic and I just got picked out of the bunch is the only way I’ve ever gotten a ticket. Is it really dangerous if everyone else is doing that speed? I’d argue it’s more dangerous to go slower than the speed of traffic and cause an obstruction. Same cop pulled me over both times about 6 months apart. Both times it was reduced to a parking ticket with the fine being doubled. It’s a money game for them, it’s not about safety. And it’s disgusting.
Policing for profit needs to end. The oath sworn by officers needs to be kept in mind more often. And more expensive mental health testing and background checking needs to be done before people are hired. Hot head ego trippers are taking over policing.
I like how he actually puts in some work on his videos before hand. As opposed to the guys that just ramble on for the whole vids. Thanks for the hard work and great videos @FortNine.
Can we just all appreciate this mans video quality.
You can't, it's in HD CHECKMATE
Every video is very well done, pleasure to watch
Can you all just fucking stop saying that and realize that this is a company, not a one man show
@@Darkest_Soul_187 Does that not make it good though?
bruh white people silently happy to take due credit away from the real MVP working they asses off with no recognition. cinematographer editor’s name sounds black or Fijian descent. give them props instead
You don't get a speeding ticket on a klr...
unless you're in a school zone
Alabama DS unfortunatly sir, you can. Losing cargo from the milkcrate as topcase can get you a fine
Littering??? It can happen. Or what ever they want to call it.
@@joelvandingstee7962 😂
I got pulled over in 2003 on my buddies 1975 Honda 49cc pedal-start moped. Pumped up the tires rock hard and wound it out on the biggest hill in town. Did a whopping 38mph in a 30 zone. The cop just laughed at me and asked if i was going for a speed record, i had to say yes and tell him how we preped the bike for the speed run.
Oof
“My bike looks like a rolling violation” fcking brilliant 🤣
I died laughing at this one 😂
He didn’t come up with that he just used it
@@g496r500t and? still a funny line
As a police officer, this is a great presentation of the point of law. Just remember that those officers that write violations tickets are quite comfortable in court as compared to the disputant (certificate of achievement holders). Well done and excellent points by Kyla Lee of Acumen Law.
You mean the ones that show up.
If I take it to court, I'll be represented. As the old phrase says, "A man who is his own lawyer, has a fool for a client."
the only problem is cops are allowed to lie and normally have no consequences for lying in court
As a police officer, does the "just following orders" excuse make it easy to sleep at night when you assault good people in the name of unjust laws passed by corrupt beaurocrats? Or is it "just a job" that "they'd just get someone else to do"? Hope the pension is worth it.
Average citizen: "speed limits are for safety" the most Christian of motorcycle UA-camrs: "Here's how you get away with speeding". the motorcycle community really has a unique outlook on this whole thing don't we
Speed limits have a time and place. Reeeeligion really doesnt in a modern soeciety apart from terrorising good everyday people.
Is the current speed limits are for safety, then police are for making money.
@@CreatureOTNight ' Reeeeligion really doesnt in a modern soeciety apart from terrorising good everyday people'
LOLzzxx....Any form of ideology like Fascism, Communism, including religion, has the capability to do that. Religion is just a symptom, not a cause.
The average citizen is unfortunately dumb, believes everything, usually they have a basic driver's licence for cars, and use them as the means to get from A to B.
Road users who actually understand and enjoy driving, have a more advanced look on rules and safety, because they know their roads, and know themselves.
Good speed limits are implied with strategically placed scenery, and not enforced with speed cameras. Trees close to a narrow road imply a greater danger, so drivers subconsciously slow down. This is why rally driving looks dangerous. Having a road be wide, with shallow ditches on the side and no brush or trees doesn't really pose a threat to the motorist, therefore you drive faster. Hence why circuit racing looks comparatively safe. You don't look at the speedo every 5 seconds while you drive, you get your info from the scenery. This is why speed limits sometimes seem dumb, and advanced road users are usually looking at how to circumvent getting caught while going fast.
"Here's how you get away with speeding" is a child's understanding of the content of this video.
Christians are not prohibited by their faith from obtaining legal advice and/or services.
Both my parents are attorneys and I watched them get pulled over a number of times while growing up. The advice they're giving here is certainly good, especially if you're facing reckless endangerment for the speed your going. I don't ride a super-moto, I ride a DRZ400s. The kinds of tickets I'm facing are for things like, going 55mph in and 35. Everything is circumstantial and I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I'll tell you what I've found. If I get pulled over for speeding because I was trying to pass someone because it seemed they weren't paying attention, I'll be honest with the officer. That combined with finding a safe spot to pull over, they're going to understand that you're just out trying to have a little safe fun and you'd probably rather go a little faster to avoid someone on their phone than slow down. I can't even count how many warnings I've gotten over the years instead of actual tickets. Maybe the police are more understanding where I live, can't really be sure. There are a lot of variables and this video is certainly a good baseline. My point is, use your best judgment for the situation and above all, give them no reason to be nervous.
any chance they know who your parents are?
@@Misterzen87 I didn't start riding until I'd lived in another state for years, so there's no chance they know my parents.
If you are doing 55 in a 35 I hope you get pulled over and ticketed. Who the hell are you to create dangers for others simply because you prefer to ignore posted speed limits.
How did you manage to observe your parents while they were growing up?
a lot of stuff can sway a cop's opinion, definitely dependant on age and demeanor, also WHERE YOU LIVE IS VERY IMPORTANT. i live in a small town, everyone knows everyone, the cops know my parents, and the cops have known me since i was in middle school, so when i get pulled over, it's just them telling me to contain myself and be careful, and then we both drive off. for context i live in a town of 2,000 people. i feel like the bigger of a town you live in, the less likely you are to find a cop who will be understanding of your situation.
I once got pulled over after being lit up (without my knowledge) for about 2km doing maybe 110km/h around some corners in a 50km/h limit. After some banter with the cops ("nice bike" "thanks, do you ride?") he asked me how fast I thought I was going, I gave them an obviously bullshit "uhh... maybe 60 in a 50 zone?" ($250 is better than losing my license) to which he laughed, said "good answer", and let me off with a warning. It's important to scope out the cop you're working with before you follow this advice, as I'm pretty sure if I'd stayed perfectly silent for the duration of the traffic stop, they would have had my bike on the back of a tow truck in no time at all.
Fully agree... i did the same thing as you... but a little more 😬 anyway next cop shows up, first thing he said was "Yeah probably shouldn't do that hey" had a quick chat, showed him I'm a decent human with no prior record and he reduced my suspension by half and gave the minimum fine and ignored/didn't even acknowledge the other stuff I did.
@@bremcrumbs5450 Now that I'm thinking about it, I was on my way to a mate's place and my pockets were stuffed with bags of weed (was not intoxicated at all). Really dodged a bullet that night. If you just treat cops like the human beings they are, chances are they'll take it easy on you. If you're really unlucky you'll catch that dickhead on a power trip but, most of the time, they're just normal people working their shift trying to keep people safe.
Keep your veteran id in-front of your drivers license so he/she see it when you fish out your driver license. Most US cops are vets or atleast a good percentage.
@Derek Frampton PaPa-D It works in Canada too. Usually if you're a Vet, EMT, Firefighter or even a security guard they'll let you off.
Derek Frampton PaPa-D that’s why I added in the US. You can’t have Ryan all to yourself ya greedy prick
"Ryan Fortnite" It was at this moment Ryan knew.. He f*ed up
I saw that, didn't think anything of it, then about 30 seconds later started thinking "Did he just put Ryan Fortnite on the ticket?"
For that, the category of the video is gonna be changed to Gaming lol. Squeakers incoming!!!
He was talking about the officer making mistakes in writing the ticket. Thats why it was misspelled
kerryk graham no shit
What does f*ed up mean did you mean f*cked up
I'm a cop and radar/lidar instructor. I can tell you my radar and lidar doesn't care about the size or loudness of your vehicle when it displays it's target speed. To make a valid speeding citation (at least in the U.S.) you have to have an objective target speed by a certified measurement device. For radar this means it is tested at the start of shift and immediately after the stop with tuning forks.
Now if I see a motorcycle or car fly past at triple digit speeds...I can make the stop without an exact measurement for reckless operation (subjective)...but what we are talking about in this video is a standard, run-of-the-mill speeding ticket (objective).
Also, I have cited dozens of cars for speed over the years...but I can't remember ever citing a motorcyclist for speed. Speaking for my department, we love motorcycles...one of our cruisers is now sitting outside just so we can park our bikes inside during our shifts.
Edit: Other than that...pretty good advise. I don’t do the whole “do you know why I stopped you?” thing. I just introduce myself and say “the reason I stopped you is...”. Then as far as whether or not I ticket. I don’t base it on demeanor or anything like that...people have bad days, me included and I’m not looking to pile it on. I just say “do you know if you’ve been stopped for speed (or whatever the reason for stop) in the last year?” Some know, others don’t. Regardless, then I say “if you haven’t been stopped for speed in the last year in my records, I’ll get you outta here with a warning. If you have, I’ll be issuing a citation”.
Sorta makes it less personal and more based on the need to remedy poor driving habits.
Thats a really good way to do things. I know my comment is late. Similarily, I do the same thing with writing up employees at work. I go by the standard and not personal relationships, because then everything would be personal.
This is old but the point is not that the radar will see a difference, but that the majority of the time an officer is more likely to think you are speeding and try to get you on a bike than in a car, where most of the time if you aren't speeding more than everyone else around is you won't be pulled over.
But a bike doing 55 in a 45, same speed as everyone else, is actually quite likely to be pulled over instead of everyone else.
@@4fiHysteria
In CA, going the same speed as everyone else is a legal defense as long as everyone else is not driving dangerously.
I'd have loved to be treated that way. I got my first ticket 6 years after I had started driving. Cop stopped me as I was accelerating on a lane that turned into an onramp/highway. I told him I'd never had a ticket much less a warning in my 6 years of driving, I'd appreciate if just this one time he could give me a warning and I'll happily accept the ticket if there's a next time.
His response "My job isn't to give warnings" and then he also sent me to a mandatory inspection cause my bike was missing a few reflectors. IIRC he gave me only 48 hours to present for inspection or I'd receive a further fine. Oh and even better, I literally had a pack of reflectors in my backpack, I was trying to put the bike back to stock at the time so I had bought them. I told him that and he said "well then 48 hours should be plenty".
Mind you I've never met a polite cop in my city so no real surprise there. Horrible culture of rudeness and power-tripping they have.
Thing is that because motorcycle appears faster one would measure it's speed more often because they appear faster than someone next to them
I had a mate whose father kept a notebook and recorded every traffic infringement of police he saw.
Parking, speeding, traffic violations etc. Time, date, location.
I don't know how he did it exactly, whom he spoke with or the exact words used but he never paid a speeding ticket when he made it known he had a book with years of records.
He also made use of a loophole in vehicle registration in our country that allows you to register a vehicle for use as a tractor or agricultural equipment to be used on the road within a radius of, or driving between plots of land.
He had a bunch of paddocks here and there.
What an inspiring old bugger.
easily the best motorcycle content producing channel ever: Fortnine
License plate: 8008-IE5 😂
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@@tobijalampe9102 HAHHAHAHA LMAO I'M 12 TOO
Aww man i just commented that
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@Khaffit I still don't get it... :-(
It was LEMMY!! Once again, F9 out there doing the real work.
@ZLA Lemmy LOL, and here I was thinking you'd lost all that weight.
That was entertaining. As I live in Sweden and not in Canada those lawpoints did not help me but I was vastly entertained the whole time. As is usual with these F9 videos, they really are hilarious while still getting the points across. Please don´t change, ever...
You know i just wanted to get into motorcycling. Now im getting into motorcycling and found a top notch UA-cam channel all in one!
The lawyer looks like Emilia Clarke and as a result I felt obligated to watch her eyebrows... Not disappointed!! 10/10, would speed again
was gonna say the same thing.
Eye brows on fleek son
@@NibNa5ty lol and the guy looks like joffrey
She was born a man
ikrrrrr
cinematography in your videos is "breathtaking" whomever is editing these can work in movies
Aiming for Top Gun 3 where Tom Cruise realizes he doesn't need jets to fly.
I've never had a speeding ticket in my entire life. The simple fact is, that I do not speed (on purpose). I rather go slower and enjoy myself than always be on the "lookout" for speed traps. With all that being said, I found myself going a bit faster than I wanted to, on a number of occasions, while riding my motorcycle. It's easier to surpass the speed limit on a bike, especially at lower speeds. Going 50 km/h on a 800CC bike, one needs to pay attention. Just a squeeze of that throttle and you're doing more in a heartbeat. One of the best ways to stay within the limit is cruise control. It's a great way to "set and forget" while doing long rides. Thanks for the video Ryan!
Excellent video. I consider this television quality viewing. I actually used some of these recommendations and was successful. I enjoy all your videos but this one definitely stands out. I like the humourous takes on things,makes it thoroughly entertaining as well as informative. Your team does a great job and Ryan is an awesome host/commentator.
First of all I love your chanel. The content is just awesome.
Now, I never commented on a video before but I really need to put my 2 cents on this one.
I am a police officer in the neighbouring province of Alberta and from experience, traffic court is pretty much the same everywhere in Canada.
There is a lot in this video that makes me cringe. A lot. And all coming from the Lawyer (she might still be a student).
In 2020 I handed out 216 ticket violation. Only 1 motorcyclist and it wasn't for speeding, it was for unpaid registration. From my experience, Motorcyclist pays a lot more attention to the road, what's in front of them and what's coming up to them vs a regular automobilist. Therefore, they will spot us (the police) at about the same time that we can see them and immediately slow down, cutting the opportunity to lock on to get a good reading or estimation. Same thing with ricers hehe. So no, motorcyclist do not get more speeding tickets.
The first thing that the lawyer said about the noise and the perception of smaller object is just plain dumb. Usually, to detect speeders I use instrument that are calibrated (laser or radar) that are in no way shape or form affected by perception...
If I do not have any of my instruments here how I estimate speeds:
- All of our police vehicles are outfitted with ICDVs (In Car Digital Camera). This camera is connected in real time to police car computer and shows gps location and speed that I can compare to my speedometer. This camera will also capture time of day and the other traffic around you and I.
- I will follow you for however distance with the ICDV on and match your speed. Once I have stopped gaining on you and that you have stopped gaining on me I will have a very accurate estimation of your speed. I will follow and maintain for however time necessary to gather best evidence. Also comparing gps speed to speedometer speed along the way. Check your mirrors.
I get tesla for speeding and they don't make any freaking noise. That's just a dumb argument.
Now for what will be written on the ticket.
Usually, when I am enforcing speeds I will be using a stamp for my ticket notes. This stamp is Cop Stupid proof. Its a fill in the blanks. On there there will be the serial number of the instrument, the time of day it was tested, how it tested that day, the traveling lane, traveling direction, traffic condition, if either you were gaining, leading, passing or alone, the time of day, road conditions, weather, temperature, speed estimation, distance, actual speed recorded and distance from the last maximum speed indicator and either if it was clearly visible or not and how many occupants in the vehicle and where they were sitting.
She (the lawyer) is mentioning things about making your own notes. I think its a good idea. But the marking of "for my lawyer" on top is completely irrelevant. I won't try to access them because I really don't care about them. I have my own and those are the only one that I will use to demonstrate the commission of the offence. I don't need your notes to help me. Those are yours, to help you. If I needed your own notes to help me I would be in big trouble.
Now for the pulling over part. Don't wait for "a safe spot" to pull over. Once I activate my emergency light it is because I determined the zone to be safe. Please pull over immediately. The longer it takes, the more suspicious I become even if you are trying to help. I can block a whole lane if I need to. And please for the love the Almighty, do not pass 2 intersections and then choose a spot in a Walmart parking lot.
Recording is a good idea. Keep in mind that for instance at my service we are all outfitted with body worn camera (BWC). Also the nicer you are the nicer I will want to be with you. Its called reciprocity and we are equally subjected to it, good or bad (me included).
Now for the officer/driver interaction part. At the time of the traffic stop for speeding, all my driving evidence has been gathered and the commission of the offence has been terminated. My investigation for the speeding is terminated. The fact that you admit it or not is irrelevant. Now, what i need to do is to confirm your identity, valid insurance, valid registration confirm that you have the ability to operate the vehicle. That's it. When I get to your window I will not ask you "do you know why I am stopping you?". No. Lets be honest, you know why. What I will do is immediately state the reason of the stop and require your DL, Reg and Insurance. Pass Mandatory Alcohol Screening (MAS) when not in covid and if everything checks out I will go back to my vehicle and issue the citation. I am really not interested about the excuses (unless its funny) or arguments on the side of the road. The less we talk the better for both us. For your identity is just a piece of gov id with photo that match your face, thats good enough, I don't know why the lawyer was concern about you giving too much information for identity, it never came as an issue. For my service, there is no difference between a $25 dollar jaywalking ticket or a $400 speeding ticket. A ticket is a ticket. So if you are going 30 over, I can give you 15 over, don't be a dick. In the case that you fight it and lose, the maximum the judge can give you is 15 over and not 30 over. Thats still a win right there.
Now. When you make the decision to fight it, which you should always do, this is what is going to happen. First, a Justice of the Peace(JP), which is the prosecution for traffic court, is going to review the ticket. If there is an error anywhere on the face of the ticket it is automatically getting tossed. Could be a simple spelling error on the charge or date or your name. Fatal error. Second, for reason that entirely belongs to the discretion of the JP. He can decide if he wants to prosecute or withdrawn. Not you nor me nor the judge can argue with it, its their privilege. I would estimate that close to 20% of my tickets is getting withdrawn if contested with no reason provided other than just because. So that's good for you. Now lets say there is another 20% chance I don't show up. You are now at 40% chance that you are not getting anything just by contesting it. Those are good odds from the get go.
Now, lets say that its not withdrawn from the get go and that I show up, now what.
Unlike what the lawyer said, we (officers) don't decide on the "behind closed doors deals". Its the JP that require us to inquire with you to see what you want you want do to do. The JP will almost always give us a "deal" for you. It will either be less money, less points or lesser fine. Again, the JP could also have decided that you know what, lets just withdraw it just cause. Or he could have asked me how the intervention went and if I say "good no concern" and its super busy he could also make the decision to withdraw it. So again good for you, you didn't have to say a word yet and you were decent to deal with in the first place.
Now let's say we have a conversation behind closed doors for the "deal of the century". I couldn't care less about what you have to say about the ticket, this conversation is about you pleading guilty to a lesser fine or trial. The reason the JP makes us have the conversation with you instead of doing it himself is because he has got 14 cases at the same time. He is too busy. We are government employees. We get paid the same no matter how or not we work. There no advantage for us to drag it on just to prove a point.
If you need more time to pay it can also be arranged at that time. And all that without lawyer fees.
Now if you decided to go through trial, contrary to what she has mentioned, we do do the cross examination on you, the JP does and they do it all the time and they are good at it. On the other hand, I will get on the witness stand and attest of my evidences. You will have the opportunity to cross examine me and my evidence. I would not recommend you doing this on your own. Most of the arguments that was brought up in the video could have easily been answered by me looking at the judge with No and Ok. And that would be the end of that.
Here is my opinion on how to beat a speeding ticket "Most" of the time and without any lawyers fees.
All and all keep your eyes peeled for us, know the speed traps, be nice (I know it sucks, i get speed cam ticket to every new place I go) and take the deal. Its not worth to get a expensive lawyer with no guarantee of different outcome, just guarantee lawyer fees. Except for serious traffic offences, then get one. If not hey are sharks just like us looking to take money from your pockets and put it in theirs, its a business.
I know I am late, just subbed to the chanel. Hopefully people can still read this comment and pass the word around.
Thanks for reading and again I love your videos.
Be safe.
Also, the judge will never ask you what the fine should be. That's not happening. If found guilty you will get the full charge proposed by the crown. This is where the power of the "deal" that was made prior or not comes into play. The judge will only ask you if you are willing to pay now or later. The judge will not charge you more if its a "set fine" no matter your priors.
i read like half of it because its pretty late and im tired but thank you for taking the time to comment on the video with your perspective. wish it got more attention here. if anyone's actually serious about this ticket stuff they should really read what you have to say.
This all makes sense to me except for the 'safe spot' advice. I will wait for the Walmart parking lot, both for the officer's safety and my own. Blocking a whole lane with your vehicle is surely more dangerous.
Bravo FortNine crew. The quality of your videos & the efforts put in are greatly appreciated. Can't believe you guys haven't been snapped up by TV. Can't express it enough I really dig what you do & have done in the past. Keep up the good work 😆
Got pulled over for speeding around a burning truck on a ninja 250....😂😂😂. Ultimately they understood and let me go but I still thought it was hilarious they went after me and not the truck that was on fire on the highway
I have a Ninja 250r, truck would have to be burning for you to overtake it (LOL) unless you bug stamped down 3 gears and nailed the throttle to red line.
Were you running a stock exhaust , and was the truck burning BEFORE you passed it...?
😂😂😂
That shows their true intentions.
They are not there to serve and protect
This seeems.....oddly specific. Has Ryan been a bad boi?
Right to remain silent.... Never admit guilt
Who would win? An experienced police officer or one braaapy boi
*boy
@@ABCD-uj6gd *boy
Anyone on a motorcycle has been a bad boi. Try passing a truck (dont want to get killed by tire explosions) without speeding
“Do you know why I stopped you?” Revenue Generation?
Gotta meet those quotas by the end of the month!
i got a ticket for not having a back light and not having turned on my front light on my BICYCLE. greedy bastards.
There is some REALLY good advice in this video, such as taking notes and writing "to my lawyer" at the top.
"to my lawyer" brilliant must use that all the time!
Retired popo here. Great vid. Excellent advice from the attorney. Always go to court if cited. If you can afford it, get an attorney. Even if 100% guilty you may reasonably ask the Court for a break if you can think of a reason why, especially if you’re driving record is good. Carry all required paperwork and your DL. Cooperate with the Officer. And lastly...drive safely and most of the above is irrelevant.
Enjoying retirement off my taxes? And thank you for all the murders you for paid for “on duty “ Oink Oink 🐷
Frick you sincerely and I'm sorry you made it to retirement but I hope it's a brief one
This has some of the best advice I have ever seen anywhere, such as writing "to my lawyer" to start your "contemporaneous" notes.
By far the best and informative video anyone has done in a long long time!
It is actually fun to watch you videos and understand the places and roads you take. Great Quality and good lawyer to know about
When i enter a school zone goin 120
Are ya ready kids ?
AY AY CAPT-.........
Was that a newly installed speed bump?
200km/h, in my defense it was a weekend so no school but it was still quadruple the speed limit. Lucky I didn't get caught
@@svartrbrisingr6141 *NO JUST A SKATEBOARD*
Aye aye captain.
The quality of these videos keep getting better and better. Congrats!
Can't help but admire the coloration of the wide angles. Scene set, camera ground up, sun blocked by presenter, and still having a well contrasted image... you've got yourself a fine set-up. Bureaucracy can be beautiful!
Really great videos, I'm a big fan because of the lack of BS and love the presentation.
I miss trucking up in British Columbia. What a beautiful place. Only ticket I ever got was a fix it ticket for a light. Fixed it right there and the officer entered it into the system as fixed. Very nice and very professional police officer.
loving your videos, they just get better all the time. The content, theatrics, humour and production quality all outstanding
In nearly 40yrs of driving/riding, I've only been pulled 3x. Two for speeding. One warning, one ticket. Ticket was in 1991, 70 in a 55. Long story, but skip to the end: Officer handed me the $130 ticket and said, "Kind of expensive, huh?" I smiled and said, "Well if you divide that by the number of times I didn't get caught, it's not too bad." He chuckled, and walked away saying "Slow it down before you get hurt, or hurt someone else." I mailed it in with a check.
Mr. FortNine. Your production value is very high. Keep up the great work.
I had no idea he did vids in Canada let alone my beautiful province. Outstanding video, clean, informative. And down right good old entertainment. Keep up the good job
He's Canadian. No where else can you get such good scenary.
The quality on these videos is worth paying for!
Helpful guide thanks Ryan, and applicable to every rider where the legal system is based on British common law (like here in Oz).
Gonna use “To my lawyer” on everything freaking thing from now on! Lol
Saurabh Kambli I’m going to get stationary with that on it. Save time.
D L ahaha lol
Irony is if you do that they’ll end up allowing all your docs as admissible.
@@saurabhkambliSaukaONE clearly that was a massive lie, you replied "lol"
But you didnt put to my lawyer lol. When relying to the other person.
Abusing legal privilege will lead to it being torn away in court.
The second it said "silence", my headphones unplugged, about 5 minutes later I realized what happened. :I
Ryan is outstanding in his field! Literally he is out standing in a field!
great video, what you said at the end reminds me of my dad, he was traffic police in the 70's , times have changed but humans havn't. One bit of advice he gave was when at the roadside, was to maintain that you knew what you were doing, be a decent person, it has got me off with just warnings. He was always amazed how people always complain about being caught when breaking the law. Either way, man up, girl up, learn from it. Thanks.
Jokes on you
I ride a Mobility Scooter.
Dprsd Afk *still manages to get ticket for basic speed and broken tail light*
Ive seen people get pulled over on a riding mower, heck i got pulled for riding my bicycle on the sidewalk of a major highway (cop said i shouldve been on the road where cars are going 60mph, no ill take the ticket thank u)
This has to be one of the best and most useful vlog in the channel, ever! Thanks so much for all you do!
This is top notch content right here,
Great job!
Whoah! Loved the closing through about "taking the medicine." Was fully expecting that to be omitted, as it often is.
From personal experience "taking my medicine" and...getting completely undeserved, beyond generous "warnings," the best things you can do for yourself are all upfront, in how you respond to the *WHRP WHRP*, and being a decent human. Those points, picking a safe pull-over point, recording the incident discretely if at all, showing your hands as clearly at-rest as possible, and just generally being non-combative, go so very far in whether you get a piece of paper at all. I'll add "remove your helmet" to that list, as helmeted henchmen exist as a trope precisely because it makes it hard to relate to someone when their face is hidden.
5:52 battlefield 1 "element of surprise is more deadly than the gun"
Always as good as it can be... Best channel on UA-cam by far
The lovely lawyer is right about sounding louder. Got pulled over a few years ago in a car, Officer told me I was stopped because it sounded like I was speeding. I laughed and said good luck with that one in court. He gave me a warning.......
he knows that but he needs grounds to stop you and that will do.
@@broncosgjn he can stop any motorist. you are required to carry a licence and insurance. that gives him grounds to stop. Sometimes its just to let you know that he is around. Its an internet myth that cops need proof of a law being broken since they have authority to check compliance for a wide array of document and equipment checks as well as sobriety. Don't watch those sovereign citizen vids
@@colincook2360 I was a police officer for 23 years. You need a reason to stop a car. That can be as you say a licence check or a registration and insurance check or a road worthy check. That is my point. You require a reason. The real reason might be that the occupants look like dirt bags and you want to check them out but you don't say that. If you find something and it goes to court you will have to tell the court you reason for stopping the car.
1 thing that should be mentioned in BC is that the cop has the ability to just guess your speed, and no matter what that speed is (if there isn’t some other technicality to get off from) the judge can only adjust the speed you’re fined for by 10kph +/- whatever the cop says it was. They don’t need a radar, or any evidence whatsoever.
And how can a lawyer for even 1 or 2 hours possibly cost less then 99% of tickets?
How about the increase in insurance premiums for however long the government-mandated car insurance monopoly in British Columbia decides it wants to? On top of their already ludicrous premiums, that is.
I always talk to the officers. When they ask me if I know how fast I was going, I'll answer by saying something along the lines of 'evidently fast enough to draw your attention' or something similar. I try to answer with a positive attitude and engage the officer in a conversation. If (s)he's having a bad day, I try to make it better for them. A good joke can help too. I've found that this approach works better than any other and, if I do get a ticket, the officer will typically reduce the charge right there from what (s)he told me my violation was. Just remember that cops are people too.
that's good advice. others may think down on us for this but it's just basic human psychology. cops are used to dealing with the worst in us, so a genuinely nice interaction with a normal citizen could prompt some respect back from them. so long as they don't notice the bodies, of course
It really does come down to the good old stand by. Don't be a dick.
You know the drill. License, registration, and proof of insurance. Stop somewhere where they won't be in danger talking to your dumbass. Just because you have the right to not speak doesn't mean it's the best strategy.
I'm from the UK, I can't get a license. I ride an ebike. I should have no reason to watch this channel, but I love it. The production is quality, subjects are interesting & it's presented by one funny sob!. 🇨🇦❤️
But... What if my attorney is causing me to having a crush on her?
If you have a crush on your lawyer, i guess you feature her on your youtube channel 😁
@@illhaveanother4365 okay boomer
@@slavsoul332 ...Says the toilet licker.
@@Lengsel7 okay boomer
@@slavsoul332 Tide Pod eater.
Fantastic production value man! Super pleasing to watch!
I love the style of this new video, and I like Kyla more :) Sweet
@Flip Flop oh okay sorry😊👍
HONESTLY ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS have ever seen on UA-cam. Helpful, great topic, efficient delivery, superb video quality and editing. I’m really impressed. Can you do one for the US folks? Lol, great video. Makes me a subscriber for life.
The word choice and production of these videos is sooooo good.
Thanks for sharing another great video RF9. I think you and the team should consider doing a little ‘tester’ film / documentary.
Well thanks for sharing that. Even though I live in Oregon . I think a lot of things still pertain."RIDE ON"
I once wanted to challenge in court an "improper passing" ticket but I was afraid because the ticket said "if you are found guilty at the end of the trial you'll have to pay $500" and the ticket was like $125 with 3 points on my license. But I wanted to tell the court that the only reason why I passed a car at a double yellow was because I was basically tailgating someone a while after midnight, 35mph zone and the guy was doing 25mph, he was smoking and swerving within his lane and I saw his phone on and him tapping on it and I just didn't feel safe driving behind him. The safer thing to do was reduce my speed and stay away but then I would be driving way under the speed limit and that could be dangerous and I didn't want to annoy anyone on the road so I made sure there was no cars incoming for about a 100ft making sure there was no incoming cars in a quarter of a mile away and I passed the guy, but because I was tailgating him and looking passed him I couldn't see the cop and that's how it happened.
You don't have to go *way* below the speed limit, just go 20 mph for about 20 seconds then match his speed. If anyone is annoyed behind you pull off to the far side of your lane and let them illegally pass.
Had you not illegally passed, there's a good chance the cop would've pulled that guy over instead.
@@spicytea735 I didn't even know the cop was there, I thought I'd just get away with it.
@@spicytea735 and so on a bike, at night, going below the speed limit, with another set of red lights only 50m ahead of you - a perfect way to get run up your ass.
This is literally the most useful UA-cam video I've ever seen.
I just realized ur talking about Canada!
In USA they need a warrant for ur recording device. Only thing we need to say is "I'm exercising my right to remain silent."
Clever, funny guy.
Give him a TV show .
Kyla is very articulate and a pleasure to listen to. :)
8 years ago I was running a bit late to work and hit 17 mph over the limit on my VTX1800. I pulled over in a vacant lot, cut the engine and took off my helmet. I did admit fault of speeding and apologized so he cut it down to only 10 over. He recognized I didn't have an M license (4 previous officers either didn't notice or care) so he cited me for that and also saw my inspection was out by a month too. He got me on the speeding (which I knew I committed) from "pacing" me which isn't an acceptable way to prove speeding. Regardless, I was courteous and admitted guilt but he still let me ride off to work knowing I didn't have a license. The court claimed I was very courteous to the officer so they voluntarily threw out the expired inspection and the speeding but only fined me ($200) for no license with only the stipulation that I'd have to have no violations in the next 6 months and it'll go away like nothing ever happened. I didn't even need a lawyer or argue with them for this. Attitude and recognition of mistake means more that evading responsibility.
Somewhere in the distant future you're going to have a tough time competing against yourself and providing amazing content. Well done... Bravo
The best channel for motorcycle enthusiastic people.
F9R never disappoints, never!!!
In my country traffic cameras don't see motorcycle plates and motorcyclists ignore cops. 👌
Miras Khakimzhan your country is $hit then
@@rigrijalvac oh no doubt, but for other reasons entirely.
@@rigrijalvac Same her in Finland with the cameras, but trying to escape a motorcycle police, NOPE. Unless you are truly an unusually great rider and have a bike capable to handle different terrains.
@@PoorCoyotee escaping a cop car on a motorcycle is like an f-16 escaping a Cessna.
@@PoorCoyotee cops can chase riders in Finland? Wow...
Good to know information. Plus the mustache looked good on you. 😁
Am I watching UA-cam, or an episode of an actual TV show? I can't tell anymore. Your content is superb!
UA-cam is modern day TV. With adblock it becomes knowlege.
I've long loved the Fortnine channel, and now I'm in love with their lawyer. Damn you guys.
This is one of your finest videos! thorough as F!
I don't live in your part of the world but I think these types of videos are extremely important.
Kudos 👌🏻
she's a good lawyer I hope you at least bought her dinner
@@motogordo5525 Oh that's eye opening.
She's still cute tho.
@@motogordo5525 Oh good find! That makes such interesting reading. The Justice's judgement is spot on.
@@motogordo5525 how amazing of a world we live in where as she invites the positive reviews and sues the negative reviews knowing fully that she is well equipped to cause more damage to a person who just lost a case with her as his/her lawyer. Seeing how trigger happily she filed a lawsuit because a negative review on Google plus, i believe she earned that negative review.
Moto Gordo from the analysis in that document "[36] In my view this action should never have been brought."
I don't know if she's a good lawyer or not, but she's a fucking bitch for going after a disgruntled online reviewer. If anything the judge should've charged the court costs to them for their predatory and intimidating tactics.
michael klinge from the analysis in that document "[36] In my view this action should never have been brought."
I don't know if she's a good lawyer or not, but she's a fucking bitch for going after a disgruntled online reviewer. If anything the judge should've charged the court costs to them for their predatory and intimidating tactics.
In the US, reaching in a pocket for your phone could invite unwanted gun-play.
Hi man, I don’t know your name, but what you just did is very helpfull of some thing happen to us riders. Thanks so much again. I’m from Europe and we have different rules, Milo.
What wonderful video. Informative and concise. Thank you for sharing and for taking the time to share.
A lawyer here (USA, Illinois) costs the same as a traffic ticket. I'd rather pay the lawyer than pay more tax. ;)
As soon as you contact a lawyer. You're going to be more financially screwed than just paying out the infringement. Going down this path must only be done based on the principle of the situation and not any perceived economic benefit. A half-decent lawyer will burn through the cost of a speeding ticket within MINUTES!
@@TheCuriousOrbs clearly you are not driving fast enough.
Why would anyone but a lawyer prefer to pay you rather than the state. As hyperbole to prove a point, the lawyer will use the money to buy a holiday house pushing up house prices for average Joe, while the speeding ticket will go towards community projects and building infrastructure.
@@Ben-hf7fg why support policing for profit?
A lawyer is cheaper in the long run too. A not guilty doesn't raise your insurandr rates.
@@jeffmellow Valid point re policing for profit. My insurance doesn't change with one or two minor speeding offences. Does depend on how good you are speeding though. +30 kms here is instant loss of licence. Worth fighting that one.
Solid advice - some subtle differences here in NSW Australia but the advice to be respectful, only answer the questions you are required to (name address owner and where you are going), do not raise to the bait the cop throws at you (they do this all day - they are quite good at getting admissions) get a solicitor if you are going to defend, and be polite even if the cop seems antagonistic because it is always better to seem the more reasonable human in any exchange. Nice work Ryan and well expressed by Kyra.
In usa “trial by declaration” and “trial de novo” should be researched and understood for any moving traffic violation.
Those may or may not be available in Canada, where this video was made. Still, a good point.
This hero deserves his own TV program
Your video brings up some very good points...... If you live in Canada. On the other hand if you live on the other side of the border it's not normally the same. herein the states most officers will tell you they would rather chase down a cage rather than a bike. I've found that you can normally tell what an officers demeaner is by the first words out of his mouth when he approach's you.
For example;
I've been stopped three times in my 50 years of riding. (I'm 63 btw) my first offence at age 10 was on a Rupp Mini bike while riding in the ditch along my parents property. This was a ditch that ran along the road side that we maintained but technically was still a part of the road next to it. and the officer was a state trooper that lived in the area and he through the book at me. he got me for no registration, no license, impeding the posted speed limit, no directional indictors, and no lights. when it went to court the judge asked me what sort of a motor cycle it was and I told him and he dropped all the charges as it was a first offence and told the officer that he should find a better use of his time and the courts and to stop harrassing the local children.
My second offence was here in North Carolina where I live 5 years ago at a 5 way intersection with a traffic light while stopped for the red light the light changed t green and I pulled a head as I should have when I got pulled over about 200 yards after the light by a local officer when he approached me he had a smile on his face and was very polite. in fact when he asked me if I knew why he pulled me over I actually stopped and thought to my self is this going to be multiple choice? Than I replied saying that based on your smile officer you want my autograph? and he did he even shared it with me by gifting me a ticket for going through a red light that was actually green.
my most recent traffic stop was by a local state trooper for going 80 mph in a 45 mph zone on a Suzuki Burgman 650. I saw the officer and started to slow down but it was to late his radar already had me. but because he pulled out on to the highway as I pasted him I knew what was next so I just pulled over for him. As he approached my bike I was dismounting so I could get to my wallet and he very quickly told me to stay on the bike. to which I replied if you want my information I need to get to my wallet and to do that I need to get off the bike. now he could have impounded my bike and taken me to jail. he could have given me a ticket as well. but he didn't he just ran my information gave me back my license and paper work. Looked me in the eyes and said. how big is that moped any way I've never seen one go that fast? To which I explained that it was actually a 650 scooter on steroids. we chatted about my bike for a few minutes before he told me he was letting me go with a warning.
learning to read an officer as they approach you is also a big plus as well not to mention ridding in charity events that they sponsor is also to ones advantage as well.
Man, I wish I'd seen this video 10+ years ago when my (then) bike got impounded; I only found out later that the traffic stop itself was illegal. It was a small consolation though when I found out that the officer in question had been fired for leaving his firearm by the side of the road :-|
Love the Lemmy and Revzilla references - very funny! :-D
Seriously cutest ever lawyer!! Great video as always sir Ryan.
00:42 I completely agree with her on the "Louder means speeding". My 2004 nissan sentra had broken flizible pipe that morning, was on my way to school/class and scheduled an appointment to get it fixed later that day. It was a 25mph road and a couple of cops were standing outside attending some other car. I had my windows rolled down.
I drove 25mph (I'm not stupid to drive faster than that in a residential area and not dumb enough to driver faster even after I see police) anyway, the police yelled at me " drive slowly", I said, sure. I accelerated what sounded like I'm doing 65mph, while I was merely doing 5mph and I saw the face of the other cop who was near my window understood what went wrong. lol.
Brilliant video. Brilliant lawyer. Thanks to both for the content.
you guys have trials for speeding tickets?
Yes up in canadia we do
Yup every ticket is given with a court date you can either choose to fight it or pay the fine
You can do that almost anywhere...
@@somedudeinchirons4936 same here in the US--
@JoMan I just got a speeding ticket up in Vermont/New Hampshire. The cops here seem to have a lot of free time on their hands since nothing happens their usually. My thing is, I crossed a bridge from Vermont into New Hampshire and they mentioned they could call another officer since the infraction happened before i got to the bridge. I decided to fight this since it's a pricy ticket.
here in germany you can only get caught for speeding by radars and i believe it was 60 or 70% of the speeding tickets are incorrect because the radar wasnt standing in the perfect angle or there are multiple vehicles on the photo and so on. actually most of the time no one will even try to find out who you are if you got caught by a radar while riding a motorcycle since most of the radars only take photos of the front of the vehicle where obviously there is no plate. if you are dumb like a 17 year old last year who rode like 18 times in a 30kph zone with 120kph and showed the middle finger to the radar in one day you get busted really quick because they try to find out the model of the bike and your safety gear, then they visit you at home and take a look at your closet to see if it was your gear.
most of the time IF there is ever gonna come something you can just say "i didnt ride, my bike is parking in my garage with the key in the ignition and my garage is not locked so me or all of my friends could save the bike quickly in case of a fire. probably one of my friends was riding but i dont know who" and your fine. also if youre not going faster than 30kph over the speed limit, what you pay is pretty resonable most of the time
The "you can only get caught by radars" part is bullshit - I got stopped for speeding by a police officer in German Alps.
@@ShadowwwLFS I think they do that mostly in high risk places with above average amounts of accidents.
Damn I wish this guy would make videos on more than motorcycles.
Two amazing people coming together! great channel! editing is amazing!!!
Great video. I'm really enjoying your channel since UA-cam's algorithm sent you to my feed. I'm probably a much older rider than most of you on this channel. I have been riding 50 years on the street as of January 2021. I bought a book in the early 1980s called "The Ticket Book" by Rod Dornsife c1978, ISBN 0-9601950-1-7, a former police officer. I beat two tickets back in the early days of Radar and Vascar with the knowledge gained from it. A lot of the information is probably out of date, but it is still a good read.