It's a shame that the studio/producers didn't keep this much more violent and bleak ENDING in the movie. They Already knew it was going to get a PG Rating (a first for the POTA movies). What a Great Performance from Roddy McDowall!! VERY Underrated Actor.If you want to see another Fantastic Performance that Everybody thought he SHOULD have been Nominated for but wasn't because of Studio Politics(?!?!) then watch CLEOPATRA (1963). The man was robbed of a Best Supporting Actor Nomination that's for sure!!❤️💯 R.I.P. Roddy McDowall (1928-1998).
"No Aldo No". I just picked that up from Escape of the Planet of the Apes today after watching this series for dozens of times. Aldo was suppose to be the ape that said No.
@@dbsql6238 Aldo still had a role to play in Battle For the Plnet of the Apes by killing Cornelius and forcing Caesar to break his most cherished law; Ape Shall Not Kill Ape.
This scene might be the best scene in _all_ of the Ape movies. 50 years later it still sticks in my head.... "where there is fire, there is _smoke_ ".... epic
"Most of these original Apes films were 'G' rated, regarded as 'family', yet they had the most tragic and messed-up endings I've ever seen." Nothing like giving children ideas! (Have you read the Bible?)
This one, the 4th in the series, was rated PG. The censors wouldn't pass it the first few times it was viewed. And would of recieved a hard "R" Rating, maybe an X due too the blood and violence involved.
Yes -- back in a more sophisticated, open-minded generation whose children were less coddled, "protected", less dummied-down and more philosophically challenged.
Not unusual. In that era there were films that had G ratings that are basically banned today that were celebrated. For example, in 1968 there was a film called Robby that had a G rating. It was a story of a boy who gets shipwrecked on an island and survives there with help of another native boy before both get rescued. It was a lesson in racial respect, tolerance and freedom. The film is now banned inside this country because the boys go swimming nude in many scenes. Back then that was still G rating. I recall seeing it in a theatre as a kid and thought nothing of it but today the film is banned.
Different era, different philosophy on ratings, since ratings boards are always subjective and based on “community standards” which evolve over time. An otherwise unobjectionable film with some “movie violence” (fake blood, nothing graphic) could get a G. It was also the era before G became associated only with animated films intended for small children.
He was the best back in his day! I have all 5 of the OG Apes movies and while I love Andy Serkis' performance as Caesar in the 2011-2017 movies, there is something very intense and more powerful with the original.
@@art1bazan it was. They had to censor it cause people were soft and wanted a happy ending. Battle is okay in my imo but this director's cut ending is way better and would've wrapped everything up perfectly.
This caesar was more hardcore compared to rise. He killed lots of humans and pilled their bloody corpses. I wouldn't mind seeing it with today's effects.
I grew up on the original series long before the 2011 revival. But it's interesting how a new generation of film makers took the concept of violent uprising for retelling the story to a modern audience. I also found out the original ending existed, wow, was even more shocked - but Brent was an evil guy after all, hehe. I felt bad for MacDonald though.
Not only that, but he got his name from when he read about King Caesar in a book. Imagine if all the Apes surrounded Caesar and started chanting “long live the king”!
My fav part gotta be either when he interrupts and yells, “by tomorrow it will be too late!” or the line immediately following ur quote, “Where the sea is a Dead Sea, and the land is a wasteland, out of which I will lead MY people from their captivity.”
But the subtleties in the physical acting here is also chilling, MacDonald shouting, “For better? or for WORSE!?” And the way McDowell quickly snaps his attention to focus and lock eyes with him with that incensed glare as he lowers his brow asking, “do you think it could be worse??”
I once read an interview with Richard Zanuck, the producer of the first film. He said his decision to get Roddy McDowall and Kim Hunter was based on the fact that they could be depended upon to convey everything with their eyes because the Prosthetics made normal expression limited and they would have to relearn how to create realistic facial expressions. This scene drives home what he was talking about. You simply cannot take your eyes off Roddy McDowalls eyes in this scene, his eyes are saying it all. He had by this time long mastered how to use the prosthetics for Expressions also. I think Kim Hunters Shining Moment of acting through her eyes was the close up of Ziras face in the first film when Taylor first speaks.
Now this is how the original series should have ended! Roddey MacDowell gives a great speech at the end and it ties the series together neatly. Plus, it gives us a much bleaker, if not better ending overall.
True, 'cause the ending with his adr-ed speech about being compassionate and humane comes across as unfocused and hypocritical, especially after he just made clear what would happen to humans in their eventual new society. "You shall serve us and have no place as equals, but for now, we'll stop this violent uprising, 'cause clearly, we don't want to be seen as the persecutors in a new world where apes are superior to humans." 🤯Like, the Hell?!
So sad how Battle for the Planet of the Apes turned out. Wasn’t a complete abomination, but after the series gave their best entry, the follow up and final film was massively disappointing.
The novelization included this ending which depicted not only Breck's death but an orgy of killing. The books also included scenes originally intended for filming but were later dropped due to budget concerns. One scene that was to have "set up" the film concerned a gorilla who was trying to escape the city but was shot down by police in a very graphically depicted scene. It was dropped because Fox didn't want the film's tone to be established too much too soon.
Roddy Mc Dowell was a genious.... the way he channeled his own anguish and frustrations.... it exploded in this scene.... his pose.... the look in his eyes..... the placement of his hands..... almost fetal in ways..... wow.... fucking amazing...
@@PortlandSucksss Yes it is, and for years I thought it was the bleakest of the original 5 films UNTIL I saw this, albeit with the "new" ending. While Conquest may not have the world blowing up like "Beneath", overall this entry has a very brutal fight/brawl between man and apes just before the closing speech
They changed the words at the end due to they didn't want roits LIKE TODAY to take place. For they thought we were better then that. Now look us....now look at us.
well whichever version you watch this speech here stays with you. Frankly I think both make a good ending and the speech added in the other version was just as good as this one in a completely different way - plus with the 'watered down' version we get to see a parallel between Lisa's "N-no!" and Nova's "Taylor!" and we also get to see what we also saw in 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' and what was talked about in 'Escape from the planet of the apes' with the power of the word 'no'. But basically what we're saying is that whichever ending you see it's a good ending.
@@agenttheater5 I totally agree. I LOVE the "no" ending. Gave me chills when I saw it as a kid. The prophecy went exactly as they said, and I think it was powerful.
After 50 years this scene and the film as a whole has lost nothing. The power of Roddy McDowell's delivery and the writing put this production head and shoulders above the new apes movies. The stern warning here is something we ignore at our own peril.
reminds me of the obama years a total disaster/ the year this takes place they were a year off from the LA riots pretty close missed it by a year/ I like the films but after beneath theres no way the next three would have happened the ship that taylor was in sunk in the water and the 2nd ship that bent came in landed on the ground all smashed up so theres no way that cornelius zira and the 3rd chimp could have gotten off the planet before it exploded and there was no way there could have fixed that ship/ okay geniuses explain that one
This was the original intended ending, until it was shown to test audiences who hated it. So they quickly cobbled together a more politically correct "Hey maybe apes and humans could live together peacefully" ending for the theaters. I'm glad this ending is available in the Blu Ray version, and not hidden away in some vault for nobody to see.
Christopher Davis and thus, this is my fave in the entire ape series from the 60s to the 70s TV series to the tim burton to the andy serkis caesar ones... conquest (revolution, riot, brutality, bcuz for justice and fairness) ftw!!!😎😎😎
Probably the best conquest speech scene ever!!! The designer of man's downfall actually saw it through for once and not stopped at the end :-) #HAILCAESAR
Truly one of my favorite speeches in a film. You just hear the power in his voice and you understand the message he gives. This is how you start a revolution.
Reminds me of the line at the end of Star Trek TOS "Mirror Mirror" where Kirk tells mirror universe Spock, "In every revolution...THERE IS ONE MAN WITH A VISION!"
My favorite scene! It’s epic! Roddy McDowell gave an Oscar award winning speech. I love the Planet of the Apes franchise. I’ve seen them all! The bone chilling stare of Caesar is intense. You can feel how angry he is at 0:45. Caesar is my spirit animal. It reminds me of Avenged Sevenfold’s song Shepard of Fire🦍 🦧🔥
@Big Al They did make the change when the audience response wasn't good, and the producers wanted to have some kind of positive outcome. That's why Roddy McDowell went back into the studio to record new dialogue. They also dubbed some dialogue for Lisa, his mate, to have her say "No" to his original intention.
If 2020 were a movie, it would have to be Planet of the Apes: *Astronauts in Space *Apes stealing viruss from labs *Global Pandemic that harms humans and their pets *Racial conflicts and protests. Is impossible not think about it.
This speech is so powerful even years after the first showing. Roddy McDowell is truly a very underrated actor and this is one of his finest performances in his career.
@@vinvass2674 But it comes out of nowhere. Would he really be so forgiving just because one ape protested? Even if it was one he felt close to? Humanity had taken away the last thing that tied him to his humanity (Armando). Anyone who feels that lost cannot be so easily brought back.
The theatrical ending is better. Caesar was taught to be good and compassionate by his adopted father, Armando. The theatrical ending is more in line with the love that was shown to Caesar by Armando.
con este final la historia engancha a la perfección con la primera parte "El planeta de los simios", porque revela el lado mas agresivo de la rebelión y justifica su repulsión hacia los humanos. Sinceramente, esperaba que este fuera el final de la historia y de esa manera se cerraba un ciclo de este clásico de clásicos.
Modern audiences wouldn't appreciate this film as they would most likely focus on the "fake looking and laughable" apes and special effects instead of the actual story/themes the creators were trying to tell
@@mrblobby7864 Indeed sorry about that. I meant that if it were made and released now, people (being in an age spoiled with cgi and ultra realistic effects) would not be as willing to immerse themselves into the setting and story as they would be put off by the visuals and ofc the different type of acting style. Of course, there will be exceptions to that.
If this version had gotten released in theaters back in 1972 this would've received an R rating. So would Beneath if the half human half ape child character had been in it.
The original version is on Hulu right now to live stream..Watched this for the 1st time ever, and to be honest I have never seen that ending before. Always the watered down version when Lisa turns to Caesar and says "no"..and Roddy McDowdell finishes his speech.
Back then, we can understand why they changed the ending. Now, we wish this version had stayed. Caesar certainly has enough reason never to trust humans. And then they did the fifth film, screwing the original series forever....
Now that I have all five original POTA chapters on Blu-ray, I always separate this version of Conquest away from the others leaving the theatrical version along with them.
This was the original intended ending which was cut due to fear of audience's reactions to it, considering the race riots that were happening around that time. The other ending is what was used for the theatrical cut as a result.
Indeed. I like this ending better, it makes the most sense considering how the entire film has been building to this. The other one just stands out like a sore thumb. It wouldn't be so weird if they at least chose to reshoot new scenes showing Caesar's character experiencing this moral struggle. If the film was presenting this build up to a message of morality and breaking the cycle of hate.. it wouldn't seem so out of place. That's my opinion anyway.
What a powerful and chilling scene. Especially with the eerie look in McDowell's eyes (especially at 03:10 and 03:21). None of the newer movies compare to the originals.
Connor Brennan yeah but without it, the whole mutants thing would be to out of place, even though the bomb that destroyed new York isint even mentioned at all.
But Battle had that great moment where Caesar realizes Aldo was responsible for what happened to Cornelius, the first act of ape on ape violence. Some great facial acting from Roddy McDowell, and then that whole sequence, capped off at the end by the line about the apes having just joined the human race. That was a powerful scene.
The original "Battle..." was to have been far more ambitious; laying the foundation for "Planet..."; but, budget constraints; and, too many studio concessions eliminated that hope.
After years of seeing the watered down ending for the theatrical version of "Conquest", especially with the ignorance of the existence of this version (which I discovered about two years ago), it was a pleasure of finally see the ending as it was originally intended...
I feel like both endings work, its just how poorly paced the theatrical version is. The tone shifts quite weirdly. It goes from Caesar's passionate and hateful speech to one about peace and how the apes could be better than the humans by trying to be more gentle and respectful superiors. Lisa (Caesar's girlfriend) could've been given more lines to try and slowly calm Caesar down and make him realise he's just gonna continue an ongoing cycle of hate.
The original theatrical ending was not the watered down version. It was this ending with the governor being bludgeoned. I saw this during its initial theatrical release and THIS was the ending I saw for sure.
@@colossusforbin5484 You may have caught an earlier release with this ending before the version I saw was distributed, or you were lucky enough to catch a fluke copy. All I know is that I like this version than the one I saw 48 yrs ago...
@@todshi I guess I got lucky and saw a print that slipped through if they re-edited this back during its initial theatrical release. I only saw this once in the theater. I never saw this version again on TV or video. I was beginning to think I imagined this ending until the first Blu Ray came out. I prefer this version too.
As a kid growing up on them, they were awesome. Nowadays, i like the added scenes and dialogue. There was something like 15 or 20 minutes filmed of Taylor in the original. The courtroom and trial. I hope they surface again someday. I'd like too see the original restored as well.
the speech is the same and the end result was different like we saw here, when the governor was killed. From what I understood from the interview of those involved in the making of the movie was, The all black audience who saw the other more radical speech and this last ending. Really enjoyed it in a freakish black radical way of the time and that was the true reason they changed it, not wanting to add fuel to the fire of that time period.
Producers had McDowell do additional ADR too end the movie on a more hopeful note. Has a kid i loved the theatrical ending. But has an adult the original ending made more sense.
There was a documentary called, "Behind the Planet of the apes" on the AMC Channel along time ago. McDowell hosted the special. He was brought in too do a more happy ending. But it was kinda obvious when the gorillas were lowering their rifles, the fire in the background was a dead giveaway that they filmed it in reverse. Lol
My favorite ape movie out of the original 5 was Escape. I just loved Zira and Cornelius and their chemistry. Their story was so endeering and it made the ending that much more impactful...I was having a hard time choosing between Conquest and Escape (Conquest almost won just by Caesar's speech alone) but overall, Escape wins. ^_^
Roddy McDowall’s Ceaser talks like he was a villainous dictator when he spoke with that deep villainous pre-darth vader/Hayden Christensen like performance back then 1:08, if some UA-camr editor used voice clips of anakin and obi-wan’s argument about anakin’s deluded idea of peace, justice, and freedom concept, and obi-wan’s talk of the republic and democracy on Caesar and Macdonald’s moment here now, we’d see the similarities between those two moments from Planet-Apes: Conquest and Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith already.
MacDonald: Caesar, this is not how it was to be. Caesar the chimpanzee: In your view or mine? MacDonald: violence prolongs hate. Hate prolongs Violence. By what right are you spilling blood? Caesar the chimpanzee: By the slave’s right to punish his persecutors. MacDonald: Caesar, I, a descendant of slaves, am asking you to show humanity. Caesar the Chimpanzee: But I was not born human. Macdonald: I know. The child of the evolved apes. Caesar the chimpanzee: Whose children shall rule the Earth. Macdonald: For better or for worse? Caesar the chimpanzee: Do you think it could be worse? 0:10
One aspect that everyone forgets about the apes films they had some of the bleakest and most shocking endings. This ending haunted me than the original and beneath the planet of the apes.
the inevitable day of man's downfall, the day when he finally and self-destructively turns his weapons against his own kind. The day of the writing in the sky, when your cities lie buried under radioactive rubble! When the sea is a dead sea, and the land is a wasteland, out of which I will lead my people from their captivity! And we will build our own cities, in which there will be no place for humans, except to serve our ends! And we shall found our own armies, our own religion, our own dynasty! And that day is upon you...NOW!!
This movie's entire point was showing how corrupted and evil anyone can get when they justify their outbursts with the cruel actions others display onto them. Caesar is portrayed as the sympathetic protagonist who becomes the villain himself when he just continues the cycle of hatred. Mr MacDonald was the true good guy by the end of the movie. Sure he lived in this society but he wanted change as well and related to Caesar's turmoil. But he found himself powerless to the fates of the universe as history repeated itself. If one truly wants change for the better, you must start with yourself and spread your goodwill and morals to those close to you.
3:27 - they actually edited this scene where Breck was spared and Roddy McDowell recorded an addendum to his speech indicating they would show mercy and they dubbed it in.
It makes sense that he went for peace instead of war because as he said his speech with hate and anger he but remembers the teachings of his adopted human father/protector Armando.
How is it that Ronnie McDowell was not nominated for an Academy Award for this performance???? It just makes you wonder about the award show all together I mean they miss so many opportunities for science fiction movies to be recognized Its just terrible!!!👎👎👎
I feel like audiences missed the point of this film. When it came out, race riots were a big thing, and this movie was meant as a warning as to why they must end. Then in 1992 (a year after this movie is set) the racial charged LA Riots happened. And now, we have Black Lives Matter, repeating the mistakes of the past.
I heard this came around the time of the African American riots in LA and a lot of African Americans in the audience were getting very excited at Ceasars powerful speech over fair right and equality etc. I'm not being racist . I'm saying this was as I heard it , when they were explaining things in the extras of the video
Comparing this Caesar to the new one: this Caesar gained humanity later on but the new Caesar was raised human and even in the face of horrible times never lost his humanity. I prefer new Caesar and looking forward to the coming movie “Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.”
'I, a descendent of slaves', so basically he's like every single person on earth. I like how the female ape is having doubts at that point but the speech wins her over.
I came here to double check a line I’m quoting on a poem for my creative writing class. 0:54 Holy canoli this is a masterpiece in every sense of the word. Chills every time
This was the originally intended ending before it was changed to the one you mentioned for the theatrical release. Due to being released at the time of the L.A riots, they deemed it being in poor taste to end this film about enslaved apes rising up against their "white" captives with the apes brutally beating the main antagonist to death. Fearing it would only add fuel to that tense real world situation... they changed the ending.
It would have been pretty violent for a PG rating which is what the studio wanted. This film was pretty heavily cut in order to get that rating when it came out. This included making the ending a little less downbeat.
although the new films are far superior in terms of production and special effects, they lack two things, story writing of the highest calibre, which was integral in the original films and the mesmerising and astonishing acting of Roddy Mcdowell who not only created a whole new way of acting with Prosthetic makeup, but he became the character itself, he WAS Caesar
It will never be recognized because of the status of the film and its genre....but I have always thought this movie and especially this scene--the way Roddy McDowell worked it is one of the best ever...Without the make-up no one would cast McDowell in this kind of role....but he was seriously misjudged for his talents... He is just great here.
Exactly. Taylor and Zaius hated each other, were enemies to the end, in both of their films. Yet Breck combines them into one character. The 3rd film, Escape, was set in the NOW, although the 70s when filmed, it could be OUR now, 2017 or 2018. Conquest is set in the "near future", and that could be our future, 2030 maybe. We rooted for Cornelius and Zera in Escape, and baby Milo, before he became Casear in Conquest. We came to despise the "lousy human bastards" who Breck personifies. We want the Apes to win. We hate these aspects of ourselves and long for a better world.
Those storytellers had "balls". Their intent was to write compelling stories, and fuck if some people would think they were too heavy or too communist, it will be heavy and communist if this makes sense to that particular story and it will not if doesn't. Now all the movies from those big studios must be "family friendly" and have the same neoliberal "woke" message all the time.
Considering that the ending (and the beginning) was the weak point of the film, this would have tracked a lot more had they kept it in the theatrical cut. Shame audiences don't know what they really want.
The look of fear on McDonald's face as Caesar's speech reaches a crescendo is absolutely fantastic. Incredible acting in this scene.
I don't like how MacDonald tries to appeal by him being a "descendent of slaves". If you study history, EVERYONE is descendent of slaves.
It's a shame that the studio/producers didn't keep this much more violent and bleak ENDING in the movie. They Already knew it was going to get a PG Rating (a first for the POTA movies).
What a Great Performance from Roddy McDowall!!
VERY Underrated Actor.If you want to see another Fantastic Performance that Everybody thought he SHOULD have been Nominated for but wasn't because of Studio Politics(?!?!) then watch CLEOPATRA (1963).
The man was robbed of a Best Supporting Actor Nomination that's for sure!!❤️💯 R.I.P. Roddy McDowall (1928-1998).
As much as I empathize with Ceasar, can't help feel that Armando and his parents would be so sad.
It was the death of Armando, the only parent he knew and the only person he loved, that pushed him to this path.
Armando’s death pushed him over the edge. As well as almost dying, himself.
I'm sorry, but this performance and delivery by Roddy Mcdowell is underrated.
It totally is. Gives me chills every time I see it. Thankfully the best ending to this film was restored.
It's unbelievable
I totally agree. Best speech from the series
It is. They should have left this ending in the theatrical cut.
It's garbage. The whole script is garbage so can't blame him.
For a moment we didn’t see Ceaser the savior, we saw Aldo the original Lawmaker.
Aldo wasn't the Lawgiver. He was a gorilla, General Aldo. The Lawgiver was an orangutan. But I get what you're saying.
He was probably going down that path.
"No Aldo No". I just picked that up from Escape of the Planet of the Apes today after watching this series for dozens of times. Aldo was suppose to be the ape that said No.
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Aldo still had a role to play in Battle For the Plnet of the Apes by killing Cornelius and forcing Caesar to break his most cherished law; Ape Shall Not Kill Ape.
That bloody stare from Caesar at 2:22-2:26 is so haunting. Coupled with the quick flash of flames across his face. Absolutely iconic.
I know right, so intimidating. A facial expression full of hate
God damn…
Never noticed that! Thanks for pointing it out!
This scene might be the best scene in _all_ of the Ape movies. 50 years later it still sticks in my head.... "where there is fire, there is _smoke_ ".... epic
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I wish they actually kept it in the final Cut of the Movie.
Most of these original Apes films were 'G' rated, regarded as 'family', yet they had the most tragic and messed-up endings I've ever seen. :)
"Most of these original Apes films were 'G' rated, regarded as 'family', yet they had the most tragic and messed-up endings I've ever seen."
Nothing like giving children ideas! (Have you read the Bible?)
This one, the 4th in the series, was rated PG. The censors wouldn't pass it the first few times it was viewed. And would of recieved a hard "R" Rating, maybe an X due too the blood and violence involved.
Yes -- back in a more sophisticated, open-minded generation whose children were less coddled, "protected", less dummied-down and more philosophically challenged.
Not unusual. In that era there were films that had G ratings that are basically banned today that were celebrated. For example, in 1968 there was a film called Robby that had a G rating. It was a story of a boy who gets shipwrecked on an island and survives there with help of another native boy before both get rescued. It was a lesson in racial respect, tolerance and freedom. The film is now banned inside this country because the boys go swimming nude in many scenes. Back then that was still G rating. I recall seeing it in a theatre as a kid and thought nothing of it but today the film is banned.
Different era, different philosophy on ratings, since ratings boards are always subjective and based on “community standards” which evolve over time. An otherwise unobjectionable film with some “movie violence” (fake blood, nothing graphic) could get a G. It was also the era before G became associated only with animated films intended for small children.
As a hardcore apes fan for many years I would like to say that in my opinion, THIS scene is the late great Roddy McDowall's finest moment as an actor.
Agreed.Conquest was surely his best acting and role of the series.
He was the best back in his day! I have all 5 of the OG Apes movies and while I love Andy Serkis' performance as Caesar in the 2011-2017 movies, there is something very intense and more powerful with the original.
@@emilyglass5313 they’re all good!
I never seen this scene before. I thought this was edited.
@@art1bazan it was. They had to censor it cause people were soft and wanted a happy ending. Battle is okay in my imo but this director's cut ending is way better and would've wrapped everything up perfectly.
The acting in this scene was well done and well written
Roddy McDowall was such a good actor. :)
Marcus Celt nah, he is too cool to be Obama. Lol
Joel Seymour Yeah . Was he ever ! 😃👍
Missing so much great roddy mac dowall
The best
This caesar was more hardcore compared to rise. He killed lots of humans and pilled their bloody corpses. I wouldn't mind seeing it with today's effects.
I loved when he breaks into the command center and immediately starts shooting the machine gun
Caesar saying "No" in Rise is equivalent to the Statue of Liberty moment in the original film.
@@shannoncurry2037 More like the 'get your stinking paws off me' moment.
I grew up on the original series long before the 2011 revival. But it's interesting how a new generation of film makers took the concept of violent uprising for retelling the story to a modern audience. I also found out the original ending existed, wow, was even more shocked - but Brent was an evil guy after all, hehe. I felt bad for MacDonald though.
Not only that, but he got his name from when he read about King Caesar in a book. Imagine if all the Apes surrounded Caesar and started chanting “long live the king”!
"...And that DAY is upon You... NOW!!" gets me every time. Rest in peace, Roddy Mcdowell, you were a virtuoso.
Yes Roddy McDowall was one of the best actors of his generation from child actor to elder character actor.
THIS ENDING is SO Powerful and Haunting.
Andy Serkis was excellent with the MoCap, but Roddy McDowell's Ceasar is MY Ceasar!
THE DAY OF THE WRITING IN THE SKY WHEN YOUR CITIES LIE BURIED UNDER RADIOACTIVE RUBBLE! That line gives me chills!
Spoken with pure dripping venomous hatred
My fav part gotta be either when he interrupts and yells, “by tomorrow it will be too late!” or the line immediately following ur quote, “Where the sea is a Dead Sea, and the land is a wasteland, out of which I will lead MY people from their captivity.”
But the subtleties in the physical acting here is also chilling, MacDonald shouting, “For better? or for WORSE!?” And the way McDowell quickly snaps his attention to focus and lock eyes with him with that incensed glare as he lowers his brow asking, “do you think it could be worse??”
I once read an interview with Richard Zanuck, the producer of the first film. He said his decision to get Roddy McDowall and Kim Hunter was based on the fact that they could be depended upon to convey everything with their eyes because the Prosthetics made normal expression limited and they would have to relearn how to create realistic facial expressions. This scene drives home what he was talking about. You simply cannot take your eyes off Roddy McDowalls eyes in this scene, his eyes are saying it all. He had by this time long mastered how to use the prosthetics for Expressions also. I think Kim Hunters Shining Moment of acting through her eyes was the close up of Ziras face in the first film when Taylor first speaks.
"The secret was to overact and overemphasize everything, so that it bled through the makeup..."
What a great point. I have no problem experiencing his every emotion, I never really think 'mask' at any point.
Now this is how the original series should have ended! Roddey MacDowell gives a great speech at the end and it ties the series together neatly. Plus, it gives us a much bleaker, if not better ending overall.
True, 'cause the ending with his adr-ed speech about being compassionate and humane comes across as unfocused and hypocritical, especially after he just made clear what would happen to humans in their eventual new society. "You shall serve us and have no place as equals, but for now, we'll stop this violent uprising, 'cause clearly, we don't want to be seen as the persecutors in a new world where apes are superior to humans." 🤯Like, the Hell?!
So sad how Battle for the Planet of the Apes turned out. Wasn’t a complete abomination, but after the series gave their best entry, the follow up and final film was massively disappointing.
@@joetie7516 I think the premise is good but not the execution.
After how laughable Beneath and Escape were, I will allow Battle's existence.
@@joetie7516 That's because Hollywood wanted to make an ape vs human war movie. It took 40 years to get one right.
I love the fact that they brought back Jerry Goldsmith's original score for this scene.
The novelization included this ending which depicted not only Breck's death but an orgy of killing. The books also included scenes originally intended for filming but were later dropped due to budget concerns. One scene that was to have "set up" the film concerned a gorilla who was trying to escape the city but was shot down by police in a very graphically depicted scene. It was dropped because Fox didn't want the film's tone to be established too much too soon.
I kinda wish the novels end had been the same here. After all it would have been more realistic of uprisings. But either way I love the movie.
Roddy Mc Dowell was a genious.... the way he channeled his own anguish and frustrations.... it exploded in this scene.... his pose.... the look in his eyes..... the placement of his hands..... almost fetal in ways..... wow.... fucking amazing...
Intense scene. Very intense film.
hoss624 to be fair, the film's prior to this one was all rated g. This movie was rated pg when pg meant something.
And BY FAR the bleakest of the original APES 5 film franchise. IMO anyhow
What is yours?
@@PortlandSucksss Yes it is, and for years I thought it was the bleakest of the original 5 films UNTIL I saw this, albeit with the "new" ending. While Conquest may not have the world blowing up like "Beneath", overall this entry has a very brutal fight/brawl between man and apes just before the closing speech
hoss624 a very intense speech
Sms the soundtrack!!!!!!!
And Governor Breck looks back with no fear. Don Murray said that he rehearsed his lines in German to get the proper feel for the character. It worked.
I think that Don Murray is the only one left of the main cast.
Why in German?
@@thefitG Murray said that he saw Governor Breck very much in the Nazi mold, and it helped him find the proper balance for how to play the character.
@@kali3665 , thank you
@@kali3665 Also some of the officers in the movie wore jackboots and wore an SS style black uniform.
This should have been the ending, made more sense than the watered down version. My favorite of the five films from the 70's.
I consider this the true ending of the series & completely disregard Battle as it was the worst.
They changed the words at the end due to they didn't want roits LIKE TODAY to take place. For they thought we were better then that. Now look us....now look at us.
@Big Al They changed it because they are scared of me.... because I serve God.
-CAESAR
well whichever version you watch this speech here stays with you. Frankly I think both make a good ending and the speech added in the other version was just as good as this one in a completely different way - plus with the 'watered down' version we get to see a parallel between Lisa's "N-no!" and Nova's "Taylor!" and we also get to see what we also saw in 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' and what was talked about in 'Escape from the planet of the apes' with the power of the word 'no'. But basically what we're saying is that whichever ending you see it's a good ending.
@@agenttheater5 I totally agree. I LOVE the "no" ending. Gave me chills when I saw it as a kid. The prophecy went exactly as they said, and I think it was powerful.
After 50 years this scene and the film as a whole has lost nothing. The power of Roddy McDowell's delivery and the writing put this production head and shoulders above the new apes movies. The stern warning here is something we ignore at our own peril.
all of the old planet of the apes movies haven't aged at all.
Roddy, you were one of the Greats. We miss you terribly.
The apes may see it as a Rebellion.
I see it a coup.
God this movie was amazing when I saw it as a kid.
I agree as well. I think Ceaser was also starting to realize that as well.
reminds me of the obama years a total disaster/ the year this takes place they were a year off from the LA riots pretty close missed it by a year/ I like the films but after beneath theres no way the next three would have happened the ship that taylor was in sunk in the water and the 2nd ship that bent came in landed on the ground all smashed up so theres no way that cornelius zira and the 3rd chimp could have gotten off the planet before it exploded and there was no way there could have fixed that ship/ okay geniuses explain that one
That embedded allegory of our culture was embedded from the start. These were very thought provoking for some of us as kids!
Scared the shit out of me as a kid!
@Giovanni DeBravo Shut up dumbass.
this movie had real balls!
This was the original intended ending, until it was shown to test audiences who hated it. So they quickly cobbled together a more politically correct "Hey maybe apes and humans could live together peacefully" ending for the theaters.
I'm glad this ending is available in the Blu Ray version, and not hidden away in some vault for nobody to see.
yes it did!!
This is the only version I'll ever watch. It's perfect. The 180 he does in the theatrical ending completely contradicts everything leading up to it.
Christopher Davis and thus, this is my fave in the entire ape series from the 60s to the 70s TV series to the tim burton to the andy serkis caesar ones... conquest (revolution, riot, brutality, bcuz for justice and fairness) ftw!!!😎😎😎
This Caesar is a lot more darker compared to the newer films
You really have to see the whole franchise to know why (there’s like 5 movies) trust me if you were in his position you would do the same.
One of the rare occasions where both original and remakes are great in their own right
I watched all 5 movies in the blu ray collection and no one ever talks about the sequels.
This scene was great!
@@drdeadbeat1604 The new ones aren't remakes. They're all part of the same series
@@nickwheeler5396 there's no continuity between the old ones and new ones
The original movies were just as intense and tragic as anything they do with the current movies. Superb actually.
Powerful scene
Will I am Musiq yes it is.
This is such an amazing scene, the tension is unreal. The actors really gave it their all.
Probably the best conquest speech scene ever!!! The designer of man's downfall actually saw it through for once and not stopped at the end :-) #HAILCAESAR
Dan24 Tell that to the French guy who made the book that inspired the series.
This scene is hypocritical.
@@W8liftinG444 not really
THIS is the Caesar Proximus was idolizing 😂
You’re right about that
The Caesar Koba would never betrayed.
Truly one of my favorite speeches in a film. You just hear the power in his voice and you understand the message he gives. This is how you start a revolution.
Indeed. Just the pure rage you can hear in his voice. The cycle continues again
Those gorrila went ape shit man love this ending over the theatrical
No
Reminds me of the line at the end of Star Trek TOS "Mirror Mirror" where Kirk tells mirror universe Spock, "In every revolution...THERE IS ONE MAN WITH A VISION!"
My favorite scene! It’s epic! Roddy McDowell gave an Oscar award winning speech. I love the Planet of the Apes franchise. I’ve seen them all! The bone chilling stare of Caesar is intense. You can feel how angry he is at 0:45. Caesar is my spirit animal. It reminds me of Avenged Sevenfold’s song Shepard of Fire🦍 🦧🔥
Anyone else think Mcdonald is the best human character in an apes movie? I mean name better one
Nova!
Kolp!
Señor Armando.
I believe McDonald was supposed to represent the last best hope of making things better, but Caesar didn't want to listen to him.
@Big Al They did make the change when the audience response wasn't good, and the producers wanted to have some kind of positive outcome. That's why Roddy McDowell went back into the studio to record new dialogue. They also dubbed some dialogue for Lisa, his mate, to have her say "No" to his original intention.
If 2020 were a movie, it would have to be Planet of the Apes:
*Astronauts in Space
*Apes stealing viruss from labs
*Global Pandemic that harms humans and their pets
*Racial conflicts and protests. Is impossible not think about it.
This speech is so powerful even years after the first showing. Roddy McDowell is truly a very underrated actor and this is one of his finest performances in his career.
Ok, but I don't think Roddy McDowell was ever underrated
THIS IS RODDY MCDOWALL AT HIS BEST AND MADE HIS PERFORMANCE STAND OUT OF ALL OF THEM
Very underrated film, probably the best of the series aside from the original. And Roddy McDowell’s performance was Oscar worthy IMHO.
I prefer this ending. Makes much more sense and is more in line with Caesar and his revolution and logic.
No, Caesar had a compassion humans never have - "those of us not born Human can afford to be humane"
@@vinvass2674 But it comes out of nowhere. Would he really be so forgiving just because one ape protested? Even if it was one he felt close to? Humanity had taken away the last thing that tied him to his humanity (Armando). Anyone who feels that lost cannot be so easily brought back.
The theatrical ending is better. Caesar was taught to be good and compassionate by his adopted father, Armando. The theatrical ending is more in line with the love that was shown to Caesar by Armando.
con este final la historia engancha a la perfección con la primera parte "El planeta de los simios", porque revela el lado mas agresivo de la rebelión y justifica su repulsión hacia los humanos. Sinceramente, esperaba que este fuera el final de la historia y de esa manera se cerraba un ciclo de este clásico de clásicos.
This is how I imagine the War on Cybertron, with Caesar ironically being Megatron.
Caesar was like some kind of Ape Spartacus!
2:30 *Breck:* Well...f*** me.
Modern audiences need to see this.
Modern audiences wouldn't appreciate this film as they would most likely focus on the "fake looking and laughable" apes and special effects instead of the actual story/themes the creators were trying to tell
Im part of the modern audience and we dont like monologues you fool hence why they never have them anymore
@@comicz_the_7god ,
So modern audiences are spergs?... Gotcha
@@Filimaua13 That's a bit of a generalization. I'm part of what you'd call "the modern audience" and I really liked this movie.
@@mrblobby7864 Indeed sorry about that. I meant that if it were made and released now, people (being in an age spoiled with cgi and ultra realistic effects) would not be as willing to immerse themselves into the setting and story as they would be put off by the visuals and ofc the different type of acting style. Of course, there will be exceptions to that.
If this version had gotten released in theaters back in 1972 this would've received an R rating. So would Beneath if the half human half ape child character had been in it.
The original version is on Hulu right now to live stream..Watched this for the 1st time ever, and to be honest I have never seen that ending before. Always the watered down version when Lisa turns to Caesar and says "no"..and Roddy McDowdell finishes his speech.
The later half and ending of this film makes it so worth it to watch.
Back then, we can understand why they changed the ending. Now, we wish this version had stayed. Caesar certainly has enough reason never to trust humans.
And then they did the fifth film, screwing the original series forever....
I do found Censer fall to villainy would have been interesting. This will be the ending in my own headcanon
Now that I have all five original POTA chapters on Blu-ray, I always separate this version of Conquest away from the others leaving the theatrical version along with them.
I've never seen this version of the ending and I totally dig it.
This was the original intended ending which was cut due to fear of audience's reactions to it, considering the race riots that were happening around that time.
The other ending is what was used for the theatrical cut as a result.
Indeed. I like this ending better, it makes the most sense considering how the entire film has been building to this. The other one just stands out like a sore thumb. It wouldn't be so weird if they at least chose to reshoot new scenes showing Caesar's character experiencing this moral struggle. If the film was presenting this build up to a message of morality and breaking the cycle of hate.. it wouldn't seem so out of place. That's my opinion anyway.
What a powerful and chilling scene. Especially with the eerie look in McDowell's eyes (especially at 03:10 and 03:21). None of the newer movies compare to the originals.
I don't know about that...
lol to be fair they are different series so they not going to compare.
Each series has their dark and sad moments
The original series should have just stopped here. Battle added little to it.
Connor Brennan yeah but without it, the whole mutants thing would be to out of place, even though the bomb that destroyed new York isint even mentioned at all.
But Battle had that great moment where Caesar realizes Aldo was responsible for what happened to Cornelius, the first act of ape on ape violence. Some great facial acting from Roddy McDowell, and then that whole sequence, capped off at the end by the line about the apes having just joined the human race. That was a powerful scene.
the only goowd one is the original the rest are boring af. everyone should just watch the remake from mat reeves
In Battle Caesar was originally set to be bitter and evil towards humans having them lobotomized
The original "Battle..." was to have been far more ambitious; laying the foundation for "Planet..."; but, budget constraints; and, too many studio concessions eliminated that hope.
This was Roddy McDowalls best performance out of all his work.He did an excellent very believable Job
After years of seeing the watered down ending for the theatrical version of "Conquest", especially with the ignorance of the existence of this version (which I discovered about two years ago), it was a pleasure of finally see the ending as it was originally intended...
I feel like both endings work, its just how poorly paced the theatrical version is. The tone shifts quite weirdly. It goes from Caesar's passionate and hateful speech to one about peace and how the apes could be better than the humans by trying to be more gentle and respectful superiors. Lisa (Caesar's girlfriend) could've been given more lines to try and slowly calm Caesar down and make him realise he's just gonna continue an ongoing cycle of hate.
The original theatrical ending was not the watered down version. It was this ending with the governor being bludgeoned. I saw this during its initial theatrical release and THIS was the ending I saw for sure.
@@colossusforbin5484 You may have caught an earlier release with this ending before the version I saw was distributed, or you were lucky enough to catch a fluke copy.
All I know is that I like this version than the one I saw 48 yrs ago...
@@todshi I guess I got lucky and saw a print that slipped through if they re-edited this back during its initial theatrical release. I only saw this once in the theater. I never saw this version again on TV or video. I was beginning to think I imagined this ending until the first Blu Ray came out. I prefer this version too.
As a kid growing up on them, they were awesome. Nowadays, i like the added scenes and dialogue. There was something like 15 or 20 minutes filmed of Taylor in the original. The courtroom and trial. I hope they surface again someday. I'd like too see the original restored as well.
the speech is the same and the end result was different like we saw here, when the governor was killed. From what I understood from the interview of those involved in the making of the movie was, The all black audience who saw the other more radical speech and this last ending. Really enjoyed it in a freakish black radical way of the time and that was the true reason they changed it, not wanting to add fuel to the fire of that time period.
Really
Producers had McDowell do additional ADR too end the movie on a more hopeful note. Has a kid i loved the theatrical ending. But has an adult the original ending made more sense.
There was a documentary called, "Behind the Planet of the apes" on the AMC Channel along time ago. McDowell hosted the special. He was brought in too do a more happy ending. But it was kinda obvious when the gorillas were lowering their rifles, the fire in the background was a dead giveaway that they filmed it in reverse. Lol
No. But lots of sneakers and bicycles were stolen.
Planet of the Bell Curve
The one and only Roddy. This man was the greatest.
This movie really pushed the pg rating to it's limit.
Wasn’t it rated G or that was only the frist 2?
My favorite ape movie out of the original 5 was Escape. I just loved Zira and Cornelius and their chemistry. Their story was so endeering and it made the ending that much more impactful...I was having a hard time choosing between Conquest and Escape (Conquest almost won just by Caesar's speech alone) but overall, Escape wins. ^_^
Fdfttrrrttggfhhfhh❤🎉😂😅gggg🎉ggh
My favorite ending of all the Apes films!
Same 😄
Roddy McDowall’s Ceaser talks like he was a villainous dictator when he spoke with that deep villainous pre-darth vader/Hayden Christensen like performance back then 1:08, if some UA-camr editor used voice clips of anakin and obi-wan’s argument about anakin’s deluded idea of peace, justice, and freedom concept, and obi-wan’s talk of the republic and democracy on Caesar and Macdonald’s moment here now, we’d see the similarities between those two moments from Planet-Apes: Conquest and Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith already.
MacDonald: Caesar, this is not how it was to be.
Caesar the chimpanzee: In your view or mine?
MacDonald: violence prolongs hate. Hate prolongs Violence. By what right are you spilling blood?
Caesar the chimpanzee: By the slave’s right to punish his persecutors.
MacDonald: Caesar, I, a descendant of slaves, am asking you to show humanity.
Caesar the Chimpanzee: But I was not born human.
Macdonald: I know. The child of the evolved apes.
Caesar the chimpanzee: Whose children shall rule the Earth.
Macdonald: For better or for worse?
Caesar the chimpanzee: Do you think it could be worse? 0:10
One aspect that everyone forgets about the apes films they had some of the bleakest and most shocking endings. This ending haunted me than the original and beneath the planet of the apes.
The sound of the screaming apes in the plaza continuing through the closing credits...
@@tperk That was haunting as well because it's the beginning of what was about to come.
I remember how people were leaving the Theater, Families with kids, expecting things like the old films... funny, when the Movie exactly ends!
the inevitable day of man's downfall, the day when he finally and self-destructively turns his weapons against his own kind. The day of the writing in the sky, when your cities lie buried under radioactive rubble! When the sea is a dead sea, and the land is a wasteland, out of which I will lead my people from their captivity! And we will build our own cities, in which there will be no place for humans, except to serve our ends! And we shall found our own armies, our own religion, our own dynasty! And that day is upon you...NOW!!
@Aryan Ranger Do better.
@Aryan Ranger Make me mate.
@Aryan Ranger Still waiting.
I love the way he says "whose children will rule the earth"
This movie's entire point was showing how corrupted and evil anyone can get when they justify their outbursts with the cruel actions others display onto them.
Caesar is portrayed as the sympathetic protagonist who becomes the villain himself when he just continues the cycle of hatred.
Mr MacDonald was the true good guy by the end of the movie. Sure he lived in this society but he wanted change as well and related to Caesar's turmoil. But he found himself powerless to the fates of the universe as history repeated itself.
If one truly wants change for the better, you must start with yourself and spread your goodwill and morals to those close to you.
3:27 - they actually edited this scene where Breck was spared and Roddy McDowell recorded an addendum to his speech indicating they would show mercy and they dubbed it in.
It makes sense that he went for peace instead of war because as he said his speech with hate and anger he but remembers the teachings of his adopted human father/protector Armando.
The ape screams over the credits is so haunting
Great ending. The original series should've just ended here, so it goes full circle. I was so disappointed by Battle's ending.
How is it that Ronnie McDowell was not nominated for an Academy Award for this performance???? It just makes you wonder about the award show all together I mean they miss so many opportunities for science fiction movies to be recognized Its just terrible!!!👎👎👎
Science fiction movies, or sequels for that matter, were looked down on in those days.
the way how humanity is today chaotic and complicated does anybody feel it should end.
maybe sooner than we think.
I feel like audiences missed the point of this film. When it came out, race riots were a big thing, and this movie was meant as a warning as to why they must end. Then in 1992 (a year after this movie is set) the racial charged LA Riots happened. And now, we have Black Lives Matter, repeating the mistakes of the past.
Everywhere I go I see nutjob after nutjob. People look and act freaky as hell. So yeah i hear ya.
thats " society" for ya
I heard this came around the time of the African American riots in LA and a lot of African Americans in the audience were getting very excited at Ceasars powerful speech over fair right and equality etc. I'm not being racist . I'm saying this was as I heard it , when they were explaining things in the extras of the video
Comparing this Caesar to the new one: this Caesar gained humanity later on but the new Caesar was raised human and even in the face of horrible times never lost his humanity. I prefer new Caesar and looking forward to the coming movie “Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.”
The scene of buried fears deep inside.
Roddy McDowall was the best, he played the parents, the son, everything this is the best speech ever
The speech; Cesar was saying, he did not mean one race he meant every race of people should make a stand together against evil.
It's not only people, but there is a theme of animal rights as well
@@asturiasceltic3183 yes you're right about that as well
I like Caesar more in the reboot this one is more bloodthirsty. Also he Reminds me of sheldon from big bang theory with how he talks.
He's more morally ambiguous which I like
Why does this scene make you uncomfortable? White man
Caesar in the reboots is a revolutionary.
Caesar in this is like an evil scientist
@@bazle64 That remark is racist and sexist and I find it offensive.
@@jimscribner8314 sensitive whiteboi, no one cares
The lighting, makeup, choreography... perfect.
A meteorite came and wiped out the cats and dogs with sickness. So man looked towards apes and found out they can do chores
The alternate ending.
I bet Koba would like this ceasar better
Koba....... belonged ...... in cages
Manny Perez ape not kill ape
I miss these actors and actresses' they made damn great movies and char for this saga and the music omg the music fits so damn well!!!!!
'I, a descendent of slaves', so basically he's like every single person on earth.
I like how the female ape is having doubts at that point but the speech wins her over.
Amazing this is happening outside the CNN right now.
the ending i remember, his girlfiend says no , and the gorillas put down their weapons...i like this version beter...lol
We shall found our own coffee shop
We shall found our own nail bars
Our own phone network
Haunting and very applicable to today's world.
I came here to double check a line I’m quoting on a poem for my creative writing class. 0:54 Holy canoli this is a masterpiece in every sense of the word. Chills every time
Caesar, stop! That’s the longest run-on sentence I’ve ever heard!
Are there multiple versions of this or something? Because I watched this the other night and Caesar spared the guy in the version I saw.
This was the originally intended ending before it was changed to the one you mentioned for the theatrical release.
Due to being released at the time of the L.A riots, they deemed it being in poor taste to end this film about enslaved apes rising up against their "white" captives with the apes brutally beating the main antagonist to death. Fearing it would only add fuel to that tense real world situation... they changed the ending.
Hardly a graphic violent ending. It's not like you see his head all smashed up.
NY OneLove it was the early 70s people were more sensitive about violence unless it was rated r
This version of Conquest is on Blue Ray,and shown on TMC sometimes.It is much bloodier than the theatrical version.
It would have been pretty violent for a PG rating which is what the studio wanted. This film was pretty heavily cut in order to get that rating when it came out. This included making the ending a little less downbeat.
Totally underapperciated movie in these series of the "Ape" movies
although the new films are far superior in terms of production and special effects, they lack two things, story writing of the highest calibre, which was integral in the original films and the mesmerising and astonishing acting of Roddy Mcdowell who not only created a whole new way of acting with Prosthetic makeup, but he became the character itself, he WAS Caesar
It will never be recognized because of the status of the film and its genre....but I have always thought this movie and especially this scene--the way Roddy McDowell worked it is one of the best ever...Without the make-up no one would cast McDowell in this kind of role....but he was seriously misjudged for his talents... He is just great here.
Damn you theatrical cut, cut the best part
I always like the other END better- where Yoko Ono breaks up the Apes and makes Cesar go solo.
The 60's and 70's version was the best. Roddy McDowell was the best....
Breck was my favorite character in this film: a savvy combination of Dr. Zaius and Taylor
Exactly. Taylor and Zaius hated each other, were enemies to the end, in both of their films. Yet Breck combines them into one character. The 3rd film, Escape, was set in the NOW, although the 70s when filmed, it could be OUR now, 2017 or 2018. Conquest is set in the "near future", and that could be our future, 2030 maybe. We rooted for Cornelius and Zera in Escape, and baby Milo, before he became Casear in Conquest. We came to despise the "lousy human bastards" who Breck personifies. We want the Apes to win. We hate these aspects of ourselves and long for a better world.
There need to be more movies with dialogue like this
Those storytellers had "balls". Their intent was to write compelling stories, and fuck if some people would think they were too heavy or too communist, it will be heavy and communist if this makes sense to that particular story and it will not if doesn't. Now all the movies from those big studios must be "family friendly" and have the same neoliberal "woke" message all the time.
Looks like he's thinking "i better never lose control of these psychos..."
Considering that the ending (and the beginning) was the weak point of the film, this would have tracked a lot more had they kept it in the theatrical cut.
Shame audiences don't know what they really want.
Such a good series. Each one is amazing.