MIKE MENTZER: IN-DEPTH PHONE INTERVIEW (BY JOHN LITTLE, FEBRUARY 1990)

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  • To learn more about Mike Mentzer's life, legacy and teachings, please visit: www.hituni.com/about/mike-men...
    In this very rare and historical audio recording of an interview conducted with Mike Mentzer in February of 1990, John Little and Mike Mentzer delve into some fascinating topics in Mentzer’s life, including:
    Mike’s first exposure to bodybuilding
    His proudest moment
    His lowest moment
    His competitive bodyfat percentage
    The best article he ever wrote for the muscle magazines
    What he learned from training Boyer Coe at Nautilus headquarters in 1983
    His earliest thoughts on one set per body part training (note: this was about a year prior to what his later thoughts on the subject would become)
    Answering the critics of his Heavy Duty training method
    Mike’s bodybuilding routine at the time
    How he first came to embrace high-intensity training
    Why he abandoned full body, three days per week training
    How he hit upon the idea of adding recovery days to his schedule
    His thoughts on drug testing in bodybuilding and drug laws
    What drew him to Ayn Rand and Objectivism
    His literary and intellectual influences
    The type of bodybuilders that annoy him the most
    These and many other fascinating and controversial topics are covered in this revealing interview.
    (Special thank you to James Bishop for cleaning up the audio for me)
    To see more of Mike Mentzer check out these videos by Wayne Gallasch of GMV:
    MIKE & RAY MENTZER TRIPLE PACK DVD SET (V-209SP-DVD) tinyurl.com/ym4vdkta
    MIKE & RAY MENTZER - GYM WORKOUT DOWNLOAD (V-121) tinyurl.com/2ua7p8rj
    MIKE MENTZER - FINAL CHAPTER DOWNLOAD (V-208) tinyurl.com/yc4efn8y

КОМЕНТАРІ • 143

  • @jamicananwar
    @jamicananwar 2 роки тому +84

    Dude I don’t know how you get this but keep going the quality you put into the videos is great. It is a shame that Mike is no longer with us if he won that Olympia, bodybuilding would be different today.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +12

      Thanks for the kind words, Anwar!

    • @jorndoff2002
      @jorndoff2002 2 роки тому +6

      There is no winning or losing nor are these Olympia events contests. They are predetermined just like pro wrestling

    • @carsonnations1497
      @carsonnations1497 Рік тому +6

      he’s literally john little

    • @TruthGuyOfficial
      @TruthGuyOfficial Рік тому

      @@carsonnations1497hahah... ya that's how he got the conversation with john little hahaha

  • @nateblair1830
    @nateblair1830 Рік тому +29

    Thank you for keeping Mike Mentzers legacy alive, John.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому +1

      You’re welcome, Nate. Thanks for your support.

    • @nateblair1830
      @nateblair1830 Рік тому +3

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE John, it blows my mind that most of these fitness influencers do not even understand the concept of a strength curve that is the backbone of natilus equipment. I have heard countless times from different fitness “experts” (most of which are lauded in the community as masters of biomechanics) that a muscle is WEAKEST at its contracted position (due to a faulty application of the fact there is a descending strength curve for certain exercises that is a result of limitations with the exercise/ gravity/ etc.) I have even seen studies from established exercise scientists claiming something called “stretch mediated hypertrophy”, claiming 1.5x the growth by doing only the bottom portion of the curl vs the top. Anyone who has read Arthur Jones (which should be required reading for those wasting 100k on a degree for information they could have gotten from a simple physiology textbook) knows this is due to the limitations of a barbell curl, not some newfangled discovery that has no known mechanism of action (check out Jeremy Eitheirs recent video for a good laugh). People accept these fitness influencers (the modern day “fitness magazine” as mike would often refer to) bold claims and “scientific” studies without critically examining them logically.
      I now known what Mike meant when he said “Specifically, I value reason, objectivity, logic, knowledge, science, human progress and happiness. The reason why the world has descended to the lowest rung of hell in man’s history is because, despite the lip service paid them, such life-affirming values no longer dominate”. The laws of logic, created by Aristotle and so eloquently described by Leonard Peikoff, are all but lost in todays world. We are truly living in another “dark age”, with man forgoing reason entirely, instead forging opinions uncritically from arguments from authority figures such as these charlertons.
      This concept of a “dark age” spreads much larger than the world of fitness, I see it in every aspect of modern science. I HIGHLY recommend you check out the work of Dr. Ray Peat P.h.D (his articles at raypeat.com , or UA-cam videos featuring Georgi Dinkov) for a reality check on the current state of nutrition/biochemistry/health. He is a true iconoclast; everything you have been told is an outright lie.
      I appreciate him for the same reason I was drawn to the logic of HIT and Mike- he provides logic and reason and seeks to teach rather than tell. When asked about a protocol, ray said “authoritians like to talk about protocols. The only protocol is Perceive, Think, Act.” That reminded me of Mike, who stated something along the lines of “My goal is not to provide you another bodybuilding routine and expect you to uncritically accept and follow it, my goal is to teach you something about the nature of human thought” (I butchered the quote, couldn’t find it). You said something very wise in the same vain “there is a danger inherent in standing too close to the river of another man’s thoughts, because it is very easy to get swept off the bank and carried away from yourself. Don’t take off faith anything anyone else says, but discover for yourself the reasons that it is true… (in other words; Perceive, Think, Act :)
      I think you will really appreciate Ray if you take the time to read his articles :). Going back to your quote, the content of Ray Peats work has to do with the authoritarian culture we live in, and how man has lost the ability to think rationally. A big concept in his work is “bioenergetics”, that is, metabolic energy. What you said after the prior mentioned quote on independent thought was related to this concept of energy that ray so often speaks about. “I think it also harkens back again to the conservation of energy, which is to say, if I don’t have to put that mental energy, don’t. I’ll let you do it. You put that energy and you tell me what to think. It’s not because we”re lazy, it’s a survival mechanism.” I am amazed by your wisdom; the parallels between that quote and rays work blew me away, how 2 people could come to the same conclusions from different perspectives.
      Finding HIT was party dumb luck of seeing it in my UA-cam recommended, but I like to think it was partly of my own pursuit of the truth. I have always been extremely curious on the topic of an optimal exercise program. I would do programs and wonder “why 3 sets of 10?” Where did that even come from? “Why rest 2 minutes, why not 53 seconds, surely there has to be a better way than arbitrary guidelines”?
      As children we are naturally curious, some studies show we ask 40,000 questions between the ages of 2-4 (to the dismay of their parents ). You often hear kids asking “why is the sky blue?” Etc. This innate desire of true knowledge stops around the age of 5, when at school, we are taught to learn “what” to think, with no study on philosophy, i.e “how” to think. This epitomizes the culture as whole; people uncritically accepting ideas from authority figures rather than seeking to know the “why” behind things.
      It is the same relentless pursuit of the truth, and disdain for the arbitrary, from which I found HIT, that led me to question current medical dogma and discover Ray Peat.
      Going back to what Mike said about Aristotles laws of logic being lost in modern society; it pains my soul to think about. Human progress has all but stalled, in every aspect of science.
      We are truly in a modern “dark age”. Thank you, John Little, for providing a beacon of light.

    • @nateblair1830
      @nateblair1830 Рік тому

      ua-cam.com/video/pdfudutXzms/v-deo.html

    • @nateblair1830
      @nateblair1830 Рік тому

      Another parallel between mentzer and peats works I forgot to mention is they both cite Hans Selye

  • @sincitycapital
    @sincitycapital 11 місяців тому +12

    This call happened 2 months before I was born. It's incredible how a phone call from 33 years ago can provide so much entertainment and insight. As always THANK YOU JOHN!

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  11 місяців тому +1

      You’re very welcome. I’m glad you enjoyed it.

  • @jerridpowley101
    @jerridpowley101 9 днів тому +2

    I was a phone client of Mike's from 1995-2001. I still find the most interesting thing about him was his method of study of Philosophy, in particular Objectivism. In a call I had with him he talked about his unusual study method. After he died I briefly talked to his assistant Joanne Sharkey and told her it would be fascinating to publish his study notes. Love you Mike. You forever have a place in my heart.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  9 днів тому +2

      @@jerridpowley101 That’s fascinating. I would love to see the notes someday if you wouldn’t mind sharing them. Mike had another client from England who paid him for consultations but just wanted Mike to talk about philosophy. I believe he recorded those. Those would also be fascinating to listen to.

    • @jerridpowley101
      @jerridpowley101 9 днів тому +1

      I don't have his notes. He told me how he studied philosophy and that he took voluminous notes as he studied.

  • @TheTwistedfatality
    @TheTwistedfatality 2 роки тому +22

    John, having just recently been exposed to Mr. Mentzer as a bodybuilding enthusiast, I am blown away by the man's intellect in exercise science. Please do keep uploading any and all of Mr Mentzer's knowledge he has left for the next generation of aspiring bodybuilders. Kudos to you.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +2

      Hello Hi my name is …I will do my best but, unfortunately, the available material is very limited.

  • @rajbamrah70
    @rajbamrah70 2 роки тому +8

    Just learned about Mike through my boys 24 and 20 both using MM heavy duty, spurred me to start training too I'm 52, life long martial artist, rediscovering weight training. Been only 3 weeks, seen my strength go up each week. Like most folk, wish I knew this 30 years ago. R.i.p MM and RM.
    Great interview, thanks John.

  • @dsa2685
    @dsa2685 2 роки тому +12

    God I love this man so much. Thank you

  • @fender1000100
    @fender1000100 2 місяці тому +1

    John I want to really thank you for this incredible channel. And how you have caused something of a Mike Mentzer and HIT renaissance over the last year or so.
    Its amazing to see the training thousands of us love and believe in. Pushed relentlessly by Mike in his lifetime. And often ridiculed. Now taking hold with thousands of new fans. Most people in the online fitness community cannot get Mike Mentzers name out of their mouths. And you are largely responsible for this. More power to you...

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 місяці тому

      Thank you very much for the kind words and for your post.

  • @kentborges5114
    @kentborges5114 2 роки тому +20

    I READ HIS LIPS IN THE '80 MR. O..." THAT'S BULLSHIT " IS WHAT I SAW HIM SAY. R.I.P. MR. MENTZER

  • @jhdrummer4815
    @jhdrummer4815 2 роки тому +8

    The same fascination for bodybuilding happened to me when I was like 5 years old with my mom in a store in the late seventies. Funny thing that I can clearly remember was a book with Mike Mentzer on the cover.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +6

      Interesting that history repeated itself in this instance.

  • @benvb8457
    @benvb8457 2 роки тому +10

    Thanks John! Listening while I do my chores 🙂

  • @michaele.v.knight5123
    @michaele.v.knight5123 2 роки тому +8

    Another great Mike Mentzer interview, thank you John.

  • @messiahsfollower4643
    @messiahsfollower4643 2 роки тому +2

    These are great! Thank you for sharing these.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Darryl. Glad you like them. Thanks for your post.

  • @longshanks5531
    @longshanks5531 2 роки тому +7

    Another home run John, thank you so much for this!

  • @PhilosopherPrince
    @PhilosopherPrince 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much for putting this out there John. Please keep going. Much love from Denmark.

  • @yezzzsir
    @yezzzsir 2 роки тому +2

    Love these insights John. Thanks!

  • @todbeard8118
    @todbeard8118 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome vintage interview! Great post as always and a great choice for a cover photo! Merry Christmas John!

  • @buckjohnson7352
    @buckjohnson7352 2 роки тому +3

    Outstanding interview John!

  • @chestnutsev7
    @chestnutsev7 2 роки тому +4

    I’m loving these gems on the great Mike mentzer John thanks for sharing them us Mike fans appreciate them so much.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +1

      Hi chestnutsev. I’m glad you like the videos. Thanks for your post.

  • @philiphaigh8349
    @philiphaigh8349 2 роки тому +1

    Outstanding, John thank you both ❤️🇬🇧

  • @JWS-JWS
    @JWS-JWS 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks John for sharing your personal archives with us.I could listen to Mike for days on end and never get enough.💪

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому

      Hi Jeremy. Thanks, I'm glad you like the material.

    • @JWS-JWS
      @JWS-JWS 2 роки тому +1

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE definitely enjoying the content.Thanks John💪

  • @petermurphy2106
    @petermurphy2106 Рік тому +1

    Love listening to these 2 guys chatting..

  • @jamesb400
    @jamesb400 2 роки тому +3

    Another great one John,most interesting comment I thought was he’d rather know the truth over being right or wrong

  • @corporatecoach
    @corporatecoach 2 роки тому +1

    John
    We cannot get enough of these (new) old Mentzer materials
    We want to hear from heroes
    Mentzer is the best of the bodybuilders

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Chris. I'm happy you are enjoying the videos.

  • @rayyoung5735
    @rayyoung5735 2 роки тому +1

    Great video john

  • @giakhanhthehinhcoban
    @giakhanhthehinhcoban 2 роки тому +2

    Another gem to the Mike Mentzer collection.

  • @davenportbarbell734
    @davenportbarbell734 2 роки тому +1

    Pretty cool thanks for sharing

  • @coachryan44
    @coachryan44 2 роки тому +2

    enjoyed listening this authentic training conversation, not a sales pitch

  • @1seanv
    @1seanv 10 місяців тому +3

    This is an OLD interview. His training theory progressed tremendously after this.

  • @Eas839
    @Eas839 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you John for posting Mike mentzer take on bulking up. I believe there are many ways of bulking up.

  • @jaysondilao2129
    @jaysondilao2129 7 місяців тому +1

    I think Mike Mentzer said "Bulls@#$" when he got 5th place. His physique that year is truly phenomenal! Good interview.

  • @gunz9894
    @gunz9894 2 роки тому +2

    John Little does it again 👌🏼👌🏼

  • @Carlmuscleman67
    @Carlmuscleman67 2 роки тому +1

    Golden John thanks again

  • @petermurphy2106
    @petermurphy2106 Рік тому +3

    Started this lifting style recently., going really well so far.
    I have to force myself to rest tho .. as I’m used to going to the gym most days. 👍

  • @TheMarcogrind
    @TheMarcogrind 2 роки тому +1

    Thx John , your job of HD and Mike mentzer Is Great , i'm onorate to know you on facebook .

  • @CoachNiklas
    @CoachNiklas 2 роки тому +2

    I just think Mike Mentzer is such a interesting and intelligent person to listen to. I gain so much from his teachings, way beyond bodybuilding. He relates Ayn Rand's philosophy in a much more user-friendly and practical way. Beyond inspiration!! Thank you so much for these gems, @John Little!

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +2

      Hi Niklas. He was both interesting and intelligent, for sure. Thanks for your post.

  • @eldragon4076
    @eldragon4076 2 роки тому +6

    I wish he stuck around as a competitor. I believe his training method would further evolve and perfect.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +5

      Yeah, it would have been nice to see him compete at least one more time, but once he saw corruption in the judging, he decided it wasn't worth his while.

    • @johntaylor5288
      @johntaylor5288 2 роки тому +3

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE It's a shame he didn't take a shot at the over-40 Mr. Olympia. Years would have passed since the 80 Olympia and possibly time would have changed the political landscape. It may have been a game changer for him, but we will never know.

  • @WarriorSidMentzer
    @WarriorSidMentzer 2 роки тому

    I could see Mentzer watching Barney Miller back in the late 70's. Great show and mustaches galore.

  • @williamcraske691
    @williamcraske691 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent interview, funny that Mike didn't recommend one set training and said Boyer Coe upped his sets after leaving Nautilus as he enjoyed doing more. His approach seems to be much more open minded here than in his later years.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +4

      Yes, it's an interesting interview (to me at least) as it represents a transitional phase in Mike's thinking on training. It was recorded about one year before he started his personal training business and discovering the effects of high-intensity training on regular folks.

    • @williamcraske691
      @williamcraske691 2 роки тому +1

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Thank you for the reply, I am in full agreement, mere mortals would find it hard to recover long term on more sets, great content!

  • @joesuarezordonez6455
    @joesuarezordonez6455 2 роки тому +3

    Hola john
    Soy de peru y me gustaria que por favor trataras de poner subtitulos en español a los videos y conversaciones de mike

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +1

      Hola Joe, me gustaría mucho poner subtítulos en español a mis videos (así como subtítulos para otros idiomas). Sin embargo, el subtitulado es un proceso largo que implica una gran cantidad de traducción y escritura. En verdad, simplemente no tengo ese tipo de tiempo en este momento. Una vez que tenga tiempo, definitivamente haré subtítulos en español.

  • @otchto3273
    @otchto3273 2 роки тому +1

    Hello, do you have any possible books or works of people you reccomend that are about hair loss and hair loss prevention? The industry now seems really chaotic and confusing so I was wondering if you knew someone like Mentzer who understood a thing or two about the human body and hair loss. Thanks

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому

      Sorry, as someone with a shaved head I gave up the battle on that front many years ago.

  • @saizkumar3627
    @saizkumar3627 Рік тому +1

  • @overnightathletics6891
    @overnightathletics6891 9 місяців тому

    Man i wish you did the same with Bruce Lee. The wisdom Bruce Carried with him is beyond belief

  • @drbonesshow1
    @drbonesshow1 2 роки тому +4

    I think his greatest condition was while winning the 1979 IFBB Southern Pro Cup.

    • @REALSALES
      @REALSALES 9 місяців тому

      I read that Mentzer did say that was he best ever combination of size and definition. He beat an Amazing Robby Robinson, he made Robby look small.

  • @Polysthenes
    @Polysthenes 9 місяців тому +1

    The reason Steve Reeves, Frank Zane and Mike Mentzer are my favorite bodybuilders is because of their intelligence.

  • @Current-Thing
    @Current-Thing 8 місяців тому

    Rip legend.

  • @aristidesaint-jean2322
    @aristidesaint-jean2322 Рік тому +2

    He says between 4 to 6 sets per body part!

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому +1

      Yes, he did - in 1990. This was before he began training natural trainees and discovered that this was too much volume (in high-intensity fashion) for them to recover from and then began reducing their sets and frequency to a volume that better matched their recovery ability.

  • @drbonesshow1
    @drbonesshow1 2 роки тому +4

    I'll give Mike a break here and say that his mustache was still in shape despite his being out-of-shape: 11:29 When I met him in 1979, shortly after he won the 1978 Mr. Universe he was a muscular rock; trying to instill Heavy Duty principles into the rock-heads attending his seminar at Syracuse Bodybuilding (Liverpool, NY).

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +6

      Yes, his moustache would have made Nietzsche proud.

    • @WarriorSidMentzer
      @WarriorSidMentzer 2 роки тому +2

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE And he kept it despite Ayn Rand's distaste for them. I go between the stache and the goatee and the stache always gets the most compliments (I think they are positive).

    • @drbonesshow1
      @drbonesshow1 2 роки тому

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE BTW: You might like this guy's channel: ua-cam.com/users/emaccomputervideos Nowadays, I'm more into the Physics of Sports. However, I like to introduce my friend Mike to the pro/am athletes I work with when it comes to strength-training for their sport. Keep up your good work.

    • @drbonesshow1
      @drbonesshow1 2 роки тому +2

      @@WarriorSidMentzer I had a mustache for several years and not much luck with the ladies because of it perhaps. Then one day, some guy came up to me (the physics professor) and said, "I'd like to get to know you better," trying to pick me up. Well, I'm not gay and I walked away feeling a bit strange. So I shaved it off. The next day, a pretty young female student said, "You look better with the mustache." I just walked away in disappointment. Now 20 years later, still no return of the stache. Apparently, you've had better luck.

  • @TruthSeekerAll
    @TruthSeekerAll 2 роки тому +3

    14:53 that looks like Cathy Gelfo?

  • @niroz6579
    @niroz6579 Рік тому

    What is the meaning of " four day every nine or ten days split "
    Can someone please explain?
    24:29 - 24:38

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому +1

      At that time he was training on a split routine (one half the body in one workout; the other half in a second workout). He took two to three (sometimes more) days off in between each workout to allow for full recovery and adaptation. This worked out to each "half" workout being performed every two-to-three days (on average).

  • @niroz6579
    @niroz6579 Рік тому

    I'm surprised to hear he does 6-4 sets
    To A body part..
    Does someone know how he gets from that 4-6 to 1 set?
    And How does he progress the different variables of:
    - days of complete rest between workouts
    - different types of splits ( like A. B and A .B .C. D )
    On his way to get to do *one set* - and have that be effective.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому +4

      He was commenting on his workout routine circa 1990. This was before he began training clients who were not competitive bodybuilders. Over the next 11 years he discovered that 4-6 sets (performed in a high-intensity fashion) quickly led to overtraining for most of his clients. He progressed the different variables depending upon how his client/s responded. If they were weaker, then the volume (and frequency) was not enough, so he reduced it until they were recovering (and adapting) between workouts. His "A" and "B" split was too much for all of his clients, so he started them out on an "A," "B," and "C" split. While some did well on this, many did not. So, he created an "A", "B", "C" and "D" split with anywhere from 3-5 days off in between workouts. This worked quite well for the majority of his clients. However, some found even this (two sets per muscle group) volume to be too much to recover from, and so he reduced the sets for such clients down to one working set with two or three compound exercises performed once a week. This was the "consolidated program" that is posted elsewhere on this channel. Once he discovered that the trigger for those seeking muscle growth was taking a set to a point of momentary muscular failure, he recognized that, having done so with one set, additional sets served no additional purpose but to dig a deeper hole into a trainee's limited recovery ability.

    • @niroz6579
      @niroz6579 Рік тому

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Wow Thank you for your answer John I highly appreciate your work and your thoughtful replies 🙏
      I have another question that I now realize you are the best person to ask this.
      From what I gathered about to heavy duty system of Mike Mentzer
      There is a lot of focus on avoiding over training but very little that I could find about how to avoid under training.
      For example
      If one's train one set. ABC split. 2 days off after each workout.
      A _ _ B _ _ C _ _
      That's 8 days between workout for the same muscle group again.
      And he feels like he is under training. (Does not progress in repetitions, nor see any significant growth. )
      How should he adjust his workout plan?
      - Reduce rest days between workouts. While keeping the same split ( "A.B.C split" )?
      (A _ B_ C_ )
      - use a shorter split such as " A.B split" or " full body workout"
      While keeping the same two days rest between workouts. ?
      - Use intensity techniques ( such as : drops set / super sets / negative)?
      - add one more set ?
      Which variable should we adjust first? And which variable should we adjust second ? and so on.. In order to find the proper ratio between stress to recovery.
      So we will not move from under training straight into over training.

  • @kyle8583
    @kyle8583 Рік тому

    Curious John what were mikes
    Best lifts like bench squat row and dead

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому

      Good question, Kyle. I honestly don’t know. Evidently all of Mike’s training journals have been thrown out. I will dig through my archive, and see if I can come up with any numbers for you.

    • @kyle8583
      @kyle8583 Рік тому

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE thank you, I never have heard Mike mention it, I assume cause he was a bodybuilder and worried about that lol, I bet he was very strong cause of his training methodology

  • @tupacchamberlian8556
    @tupacchamberlian8556 2 роки тому

    Was this interview published in your book ONE More Rep ?

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Tupa, yes it was (although the publisher edited some things out). I believe it also appeared in the British version of Flex magazine in 1991 and later in Ironman magazine.

    • @tupacchamberlian8556
      @tupacchamberlian8556 2 роки тому +1

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE I got that book great stuff thanks for putting great content.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому

      @@tupacchamberlian8556 you’re welcome, sir.

  • @WarriorSidMentzer
    @WarriorSidMentzer 2 роки тому

    Once the fix was in and the commercial interests prevailed, it had to be depressing as hell for Mike, and you can hear it in his voice. What did he do besides write freelance articles between 1981-1992? I know of the 6 months at Nautilus in 1983 and Workout Magazine in 1985, but what did he do (for money or for recreation) before the relaunch of Heavy Duty in 1993? If Jones was not such a lunatic control freak (and young woman addict), Mike could have sold equipment for 5 years and then could have jumped ship to Hammer Strength for another 5.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +3

      Hi Brian, in 1981 and 1982 Mike launched his video line and was still doing seminars and exhibitions. He was also still writing and running his mail order business. When the seminars dried up, he went to Florida to work at Nautilus, which lasted six months. He returned to California and started Workout magazine, which lasted about 12 months. Then came his dark period (the ending of his relationship with his fiancé, the death of his father, the loss of income from Workout), which lasted about three years. Then he started his personal training business about 1991, relaunched his mail order in 1993.

  • @WarriorSidMentzer
    @WarriorSidMentzer 2 роки тому

    At 38:15, ironically, a year and a half later Dr. Zahorian and the WWF were in the hotseat for the juice. I wonder if Mike's favorite wrestler was The Ultimate Warrior?

  • @chocolatier9597
    @chocolatier9597 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the upload.
    Do you know if The Psychology of a Mr. Olympia Competitor is available on the internet?
    I would like to read it!

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Chocolatier95. I don't think it is, as it was published in the 1980s in Muscle and Fitness and I don't see any of those issues available as PDFs (or any of the articles within them printed online).

  • @sonat2008
    @sonat2008 Рік тому

    At around 19 min mark when mike says train brief and often. Is this not against everything he preaches with the whole train once every 7-10 days concept?

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому +1

      He doesn't say "train often." He says "train infrequently" (it's even written on the side bar of the video when he says it).

    • @sonat2008
      @sonat2008 Рік тому

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE oh ok. I ussually just listen like a podcast. I missed that. With three full body workouts per week. Is he talking about one set per session?

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому +3

      @@sonat2008 No, he’s describing a split routine he used in 1990, and was then using 4-6 sets per bodypart. This was about a year or two prior to his discovery that most (natural) trainees require only one set per exercise and no more than 2 sets per muscle group.

    • @sonat2008
      @sonat2008 Рік тому +1

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE I appreciate the explanation

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому

      @@sonat2008 no worries.

  • @nathanlamoureaux2337
    @nathanlamoureaux2337 2 роки тому

    John, did Mike ever speak to you in more detail about his steroid usage?

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +4

      Hi Nathan,
      Thanks for your post. I did ask Mike about his steroid usage. This was sometime back in the mid-1980s while I was staying at his apartment one week. And what he told me (and I’m going on memory now which may be somewhat faulty as it was 30 something years ago) was that when he was competing he took a shot of Deca-Durabolin every two weeks I believe, I’m sorry I can’t remember the dosage, but as it was an oil-based injectable, it was released slowly into the bloodstream over several days, and he supplemented that with up to 10 Dianabol tablets a day (I think I remember “10” being said). This dosage was corroborated in an article Mike wrote about anabolic steroids for Muscle Builder magazine some seven or eight years earlier, and, to some degree, substantiated by the excerpt from his training journal which was published in his book “The Heavy Duty journal.” I think Joanne removed that reference from later re-publications of the book for her own reasons. Mike told me he started steroids (Dianabol) when he was 19 and, if you look at that photo of him taken (the one of him assuming the arms out pose), he was almost as large then as he was when he won the Mr. America in 1976. Mike’s later dosages, as he told me, were higher than what a doctor would recommend but still within what he considered to be a safe range and he got them from a doctor and had regular blood tests conducted when he was on them.
      I don’t believe what other bodybuilders or bodybuilding writers have claimed about his steroid usage, such as that he used growth hormone (I believe Casey Viator, in a blanket statement, implied that all bodybuilders from his era used it but Casey continued to compete in the 1980s, when HGH came into prominence, whereas Mike never competed again after October 1980, so Casey may have been misremembering eras). While it’s possible that Mike lied to me, it would have been very out of character for him given how close we were and the fact that Mike was very honest in speaking with me about his drug use over the years. He would speak in detail about what he knew about the effects of certain drugs, just as he spoke about the effects of certain ideas. He never once mentioned Growth Hormone to me, and that was a drug that seemed to gain popularity during the 1980s, but then, of course, Mike’s career ended at the start of that decade. He further told me that, as a rule, bodybuilders did not speak about their drug use among themselves typically as, if a drug made a difference, they were loath to give their competition any information that could cost them a placing in a contest. So I’m not sure where these other bodybuilders and writers are getting the information from - but it wasn’t from Mike. He grew up in the 50s and 60s, and competed in the 70s, so he used the drugs that were in common usage amongst bodybuilders during that time (Dianabol and Deca-Durabolin particularly). It is also important to remember, however, that Mike also said that he would never recommend steroid use for anybody and that each individual would have to make that decision for him or her self and do their own research as to whether or not the benefit outweighed the risk. I believe he touched on this in the 1990 interview I posted and that you just listened to. Apart from that conversation in 1986, the topic of steroids never came up again in our talks apart from in the 1990 interview which was conducted four years later. With Mike there was always so many other things to talk about that, frankly, were of far more interest to me, such as different philosophies of life and of course his philosophy of training which was constantly evolving. All bodybuilders I knew at the time took steroids (although Arnold and Franco downplayed it; Franco actually said he had only tried them once in the early 1970s and never used them again). Mike was one of the very few who ever publicly admitted it. One of his most telling statements about steroids came in 1981 (a year after he had stopped competing) when an interviewer asked him “What do you fear the most?” Mike replied: “That anabolic steroids may have somehow altered my personality. Many people fear that taking steroids will adversely affect them physically. I’m more concerned about the way they might have affected me psychologically or my personality. Scares me to death!” Food for thought.

    • @nathanlamoureaux2337
      @nathanlamoureaux2337 2 роки тому +2

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Wow just wow……. That is the best response Imaginable. Thanks for taking the time to share all of that information John. I would do anything to meet Mike if he was still alive just to ask him a handful of questions and that was one of them. His honesty on all topics is admirable and rare. I bought both of your books on Amazon recently and am working on finishing them at the moment. Please don’t stop putting out UA-cam content. Not only is it useful and logical but it’s IMPORTANT bodybuilding history. It’s hard to come by information on golden era bodybuilding and Mike Mentzer in general.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +2

      @@nathanlamoureaux2337 No worries, Nathan. Thanks for your kind words and for your post.

  • @gunz9894
    @gunz9894 2 роки тому +2

    15:41 damn

  • @rayyoung5735
    @rayyoung5735 2 роки тому +1

    John do you think Doug brignole is the new Mike Mentzer

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +9

      I don't think anybody is the new Mike Mentzer.

    • @saraths4150
      @saraths4150 2 роки тому +1

      In my opinion, Mike Mentzer is an intelligent human being. Doug Brignole is an intelligent human being. Both of them are awesome. There are a lot of fascinating things to be learned from them. Mike Mentzer is unique in his own ways. Doug Brignole is unique in his own ways. I love both of their work

  • @josecavazos1869
    @josecavazos1869 2 роки тому +1

    Do you think in his last heavy duty book mike was losing it already? He was advocating absolutely very little volume once a week.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +5

      Hi Jose. No I don’t think he was losing it at all. If you watch the video of our phone conversation in 1992, you will see that Mike recognized him that not everyone can tolerate resistance training exercise to the same degree. Consequently, some need more time off between workouts, others need less. Depends on how intense the workouts are. Mike was working with regular folks with regular genetics. This particular interview was recorded before Mike started training people one on one.

    • @josecavazos1869
      @josecavazos1869 2 роки тому

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE thank you for clarifying that. I was asking because of the fact him advocating just 2 sets every 10 days. I remember 2 of his pupils Markus reinheart and John heart saying in interviews that was awfull training.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +3

      @@josecavazos1869 Mike mentioned that individual response/recovery to exercise varies across a broad continuum. Training with two sets once every ten days might not be ideal for John or Markus, but it might be ideal for someone who has tried training more frequently but isn't making any progress. Most of us don't have the genetics to become "Mr. Anything," so aping the training approaches of those who do isn't going to produce much in the way of results. As Mike said, it is up to the individual to determine the practical application of the principles of intensity, duration and frequency. He simply provided examples of workouts that had proven effective for clients who fell into all ranges of the spectrum (from four days per week and six sets per muscle group all the way to two sets every seven or so days).

  • @CraigCastanet
    @CraigCastanet 2 роки тому +1

    Mike didn't practice Objectivism. He killed himself with cigarettes and destructive behavior. Cigarettes are Nihilistic. I loved Mike, but he failed himself.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому +1

      Mike was a student of Objectivism, which, last time I checked, did not prohibit cigarette smoking. Interesting take that cigarette smoking is nihilistic, is that from the teachings of D.D. Palmer by any chance?

    • @CraigCastanet
      @CraigCastanet 2 роки тому +4

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE John, self-destructive behaviors are antithetical to the virtue of selfishness. You loved Mike too much to be objective. I can appreciate that. I loved him too, but I'm pissed that is some ways he failed himself.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  2 роки тому

      @@CraigCastanet Point taken.

    • @CraigCastanet
      @CraigCastanet 2 роки тому

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE I'd like the chance to talk to you sometime.