RAY MENTZER: HIGH-INTENSITY TRAINING THE RAY MENTZER WAY
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
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In this ultra rare interview recorded in 1990, former Mr. America Ray Mentzer Speaks with John Little about his approach to bodybuilding, his training routines, his philosophy, and his proudest title: father. Ray also explains how he built his phenomenal power; at one point working up to a 905-pound squat.
I have always thought of Ray as the “George Harrison” of high-intensity training; he never received as much publicity in the bodybuilding magazines as other high-intensity advocates, and yet he was a man with something to say. One of the greatest physiques of his era, Ray Mentzer was a man well worth listening to.
To see more of Mike Mentzer check out these videos by Wayne Gallasch of GMV:
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Thank you for sharing this interview with my dad. Hearing his voice meant so much to me!
My pleasure, Jennika. I’m particularly glad that you liked it.
It's an honor for us to be hearing from you ma'am
You're father and Mike both are at peace....hope all is well with you ma'am
I wish there was more material of your father around.
@Jay yes sir
Hi Jennika , do you know how old he would have been here?
Such a great interview, I like his no BS attitude! He and your uncle Mike were truly great men! Been a fan of them from back in the day😊
Keep posting these tapes John. The voices of these Immortals will now never be forgotten.
Thanks, Stephen. Glad you like them.
Until tomorrow...
I had a photo taken with Ray Mentzer at the 1980 Canada Cup in Toronto . He was very polite, friendly and gracious. At the time he actually was one of the most muscularly, massive bodybuilder with larger arms than Arnold et al.
If Ray and Mike were here now, everything would be different. World will never see men like these two again
Thanks for your post.
How so? I think ppl really exaggerate how “different” things would have been lol. We have so many studies on hypertrophy, what Mentzer did was just a way for him to monetize his exclusive “training program”. Mike died at 49 a as shriveled up chubby lil peanut. Why would you strive to be like that?
@@5milemacc737oh brother another one of you.
@@5milemacc737I’ve seen janitors with better physiques than you. Change your pfp kid. It’s truly embarrassing
Ray had such a dry sense of humor. He was a really funny guy. Subtle but hillarious. And strong as hell. Thanks for sharing all these John.
You're welcome, Jake. Yeah, I wish now that I had spent more time with him.
This is a great interview. Too bad we lost the Mentzer's so young, but they were there for each other at the end.
Very true.
They had a very complicated relationship.
Till death bro..
First time I’ve heard Ray speak in depth. Mike overshadowed him. Bill Pearl was amazed at Rays strength
These guys were such great champions. Being born in the 2000’s people like this don’t seem to be around anymore, at least not to be found in the gym. Very inspiring not just physical but to improve our character as well. Thanks for sharing John
You’re welcome, Gunz. Thanks for your post.
To hear from the other half the Mentzer Brothers is great!
Glad you like it, Big Sanchez!
John, you've done it again with the amazing audio tapes and this time with Ray Mentzer! Thank you! RIP The Mentzer Brothers
No worries, Kris. Glad you’re enjoying the videos.
You have to admit Ray and Mike were geniuses when it cane to the efficiency of working out.
What a great interview. The first time in all these years I have ever heard an indeath interview with Ray Mentzer. What a smart guy he was just like his brother Mike. I would have loved to seen him do that 900 pound squat. Just goes to show you when done the right way how effective HIT training can be but few people take the time to really want to learn something that requires such intensity of effort. I often think what would have happened if both these men would have lived and not died so young. Such a shame and a great lost to the bodybuilding community. The impact they made even in their short life time can not be measured but if they were still around their impact would be im measure able. Thanks John for bring this to youtube a new generation to learn from and enjoy.
Hi Golf Tips. Glad you enjoyed the interview. Good points 👍
what a Legend
Thank you for these uploads, John. :)
I attended a fantastic Seminar with R.M in Sept. of 83', and had spent time him at a dinner and got to be Trained ( TORTURED) by R.M. AND HUNG OUT WITH HIM AND EVEN DRINK A FEW "Miller Lite beer's, was the weekend Samir Bannout won MR. O , I'll always remember at dinner that Friday of that weekend Some kid came up to our table and asked " HOW MUCH CAN YOU BENCH?, AND HE WAS ABOUT 250 LBS. THEN " I DON'T DO BENCH PRESS'S", FUNNY... 4- PHASE CONTRACTION SYSTEM , he had called it , pretty crazy , wild , intense training, puke -city, get the Bucket.." Good Times- Good -Times"
Fascinating, Marilyn! Thanks for your post.
Thank you for this interview with Ray. When I was young and then in high school I was reading the muscle mags and looking at the photos. I saw pictures of Mike and Ray always together. Very massive both. The HIT to max seemed to me nothing I wanted to do not did I want to be massive. I always liked Zane. He looked athletic and his physic more attainable. I didn't have the opportunity to listen to Ray or Mike like we do now. I did not know how articulate they both were. In my mid 70's now, I picked up the dumbbells again and I use my adjustable Nautilis bench. I listen to these interviews for understanding. The HIT makes sense to me now. I don't think Vince was doing this and he was an incredible trainer and I am happy to learn his methods too. Mike has said three or more days for rest, growth and recovery. I am doing four days rest. I am feeling good about that as I am slowly growing some upper body muscle after years of neglect. The Tony Romano series on nutrition is useful to me in my attempts to lose stomach fat. I am grateful that I have started training again. I keep a food diary simply writing down whatever I eat. I can easily see when I make a mistake or a snack too many. I have been trying HIT now, remembering Zane in an interview saying that get close to your max but be very careful you don't injure yourself maxing out. Thank you for this discussion. RIP Mike and Ray and Franco.
Another awesome interview! Thank you!
Great to hear Ray, thanks John.
Thanyou for giving us this. He deserved it and if I were to give a Moniker to this man it would be The Lone Wolf.
Hey John, Thanks for this rare Ray Mentzer interview.
First interview i have heard with Ray, thank you John.
i met Ray in New York in the early 80's, his arms were HUGE.
Hi Micheal. Glad you liked it. Yeah, his arms look huge even when he was training Boyer.
This is amazing. Thank you so much!👍
You’re welcome, Ace. Thanks for your post.
I remember reading the transcript of this interview in Ironman some years ago. It's really nice to hear it. Great Video.
Awesome stuff John! With such rarity of Ray's voice, this is a goldmine.
Thanks HDLifter!
amazing john! thank you so much, for sharing
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You're welcome, Leandro. Thanks for posting.
Love these videos John
Thanks Mark!
Brilliant work, THANKYOU John.
Hi warrior3214. Thanks very much and thanks for your post.
Gracias por estos documentos históricos
Fantastic interview and very informative John, never hear Ray speak before, interesting guy.
This is a great piece John.well done 💪
The most interesting scientific based bodybuilders back then, love these videos keep posting them💪🏾💪🏾
Never heard Ray say much this was an interesting video on him ,and he has a daughter I never knew that. Great video as always John.cheers for sharing the Mentzer Gems.
I really appreciated this John
Glad you liked it, Simon.
King 💪🏼👑❤️
So little media on Ray. Thank you John
Hi 18 Minute Fitness. You're welcome. Yes, it's too bad there wasn't more media on Ray.
Great info !! I enjoy hearing Rays perspective
Thanks for your post, bs431980.
Love this! Just the inspiration I need before I do my own workout.
Thanks for your post, DoE.
Best Mentzer content available! Thank you
You're welcome!
That’s a great interview John , the Mentzer brothers were very interesting individuals . Thank you for this .
I worries, Nelson.
Thanks for this John. Very interesting and insightful. The way he did his exercises was fascinating.
Thanks, Andrew. Glad you liked it.
thank you so much john, as someone who sadly had lost interest in persuading reading, i bought your book and watch your content every day to expand my mind and intellect, you’ve reawakened my interest in the intellectual field, thank you so much
Hi Luis. Thanks for the kind words!
Thank you for this I love ray . Let's give some credit to the he interview timely probing to extract as much from this conversation . God bless you John little
I’m glad you like the interview. Thank you for your post.
I always enjoyed seeing Ray train, it’s straight up motivation. Every single time he went to failure it looked like his entire being was going to utterly explode doing that last rep.
Really good interview.only one I have ever heard or read with ray.
Legend 💪🏼❤️
Wow. Everything you post is like a lost and valuable piece of bodybuilding history. Well done and thanks again.
Thanks Nathan, glad you are enjoying them.
Thanks! very informative.
You're welcome, ConNor Angel. Glad you found it of interest.
Thx John. Ray was awesome
Hi Troy. He was indeed.
Ray really impressed me with his knowledge. I read most of Mike's books and tons of videos, I love Mike he's a little more intense. Rip mentzer bros
Thanks for your post, Tiger Blood.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE this is not the same John little who wrote books on Bruce Lee is it?
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE sorry I just looked up your video list and now I realize who you are. I've read all your books. I'm not going listen to your interviews. Thank you for all you've done I'm a huge fan. I read all the books years ago. I lost my whole book collection in a fire in paradise California. I miss my martial arts books. Take care.
Hi John, As always a big thank you for uploading these,it must have been amazing to have been part of the Golden era and as an editor/writer keeping that era relevant and making friends along the way, kind regards.
Thanks, Sun Shine.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE My pleasure.
Force = Mass x Velocity/time. Power = Force x Velocity.
This is true gem. I always liked Ray but knew little apart from his being forthright like his brother and his prodigious strength.
Thanks for your post, Stind.
Man, I'd really like to see the images of Ray not on roids and lifting that weight. The part about his daughter was quite touching, I wondered if he or Mike had left behind children or family. One of the reason I'm so gracious for having found HIT is does allow for more free time with my own daughter. It's hard to mix family life and gym when you have a training split of 4-6 days for an hour each session, but HIT is so short and infrequent that it has given me time back to allow me to do other things I enjoy. Great upload John Little
Thanks, Blake. As Mike used to say, training should be an adjunct to your life, not the reason for it.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE It's a brilliant piece of wisdom that I wish I had found out 5 years ago, along with HIT. to think of all the times I got bent out of shape because I missed 1 of my 5 weekly workouts, could've saved a ton of time and frustration in the past with HIT and this newly found gym mentality. By the way, I live in Spain and I just acquired your Wisdom of Mike Mentzer book after having finished HIT The MM Way. Both excellent reads, what a pleasure the first time through and more so to go back over certain chapters. Thanks for making those books widely available.
@@blakerdavis thank you for the kind words and I’m glad you are enjoying the books. Indeed, I fell into the same boat that you did many many years ago; I would miss family functions because it was “arm day.” Mike’s teachings liberated me in that regard. There is a big world out there and bodybuilding or resistance training exercise is but a small part of it.
Rays daughter commented on this very video.
YES! Monday motivation! ⚔️
Haha! Indeed.
Great video.
Thanks, Jaime. Glad you liked it.
Great !! Wish there was a video of him showing form
Me too.
If you tell people what they want to hear then you never have to tell the truth. As a physics professor, I tell people the truth, which they don't want to hear.
Ph. D. Piled high and deep in bullshit.
My mom has a 8th grade education and makes over $200,000
Checkmate, old n wrinkly
First time hearing Ray. Cool guy!
He was. Thanks for your post.
First time I heard an intervieuw with Ray. It's great. They say he was even stronger than Mike.😎
Awesome.
Would have loved to have a training session with Ray. He seems more my kind of guy than Mike. I like them both, but I'm a younger brother as well, so that may be it.
Wow! That was great. Thanks for sharing this interview. I'd never heard Ray say much before. He had some good ideas and seemed like an interesting guy.
Hi Counterbalancelife. Yes, he did have some excellent ideas and was a very interesting guy. Thanks for your post.
this was interesting. his philosophy seems a little different than mike's. id like to hear more about his biomechanics thoughts and correct movement patterns.
@@jonathanchappell9503 Yes, he and Mike shared the same principles of training (intense, brief and infrequent), but had their own distinct way of making the practical application (although if you listen to the interview I did with Mike in 1990 -- about a week prior to my interview with Ray -- they both were training about the same and espoused the same things in terms of sets performed and frequency).
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE I've also swayed more towards the biomechanics aspect, using some of Doug Brignole's suggestions. Add to that slower reps while still to failure. Seems like I ended up where Ray was getting to 30 years ago. This interview might have well taken place 30 days ago as the information is still very relevant. Also, very interesting the part where he's saying the bigger bodybuilders get the less food they seem to need. He says other guys were telling him the same thing at the time. Never heard that before.
@@counterbalancelife4305 I too incorporate Doug Brignoles concepts into my workouts along with Mike’s and Rays , Doug’s biomechanics is first rate , but Mike’s rational on intensity especially rest between said workouts is the real takeaway from a sport that can very quickly become overtrained !
so cool, to hear ray in this interview!
thanks for the upload!
i recognized old mentzer training vids where with jean michel jarre music and a ray mentzer guest posing (in u.k.) was with music from tangerine dream.
did the mentzers love electronic instrumental music?
greetings from cologne, germany
arthur brehm
Awesome ++
Ray had a very similar approach to the great power lifter Kirk Kawasaki, one top set on the squat once per week
Hi John. Thank you for loading up these videos. I appreciate it a lot. It is very interesting listening to Ray because I have not heard a lot of Ray until today. I have got a question for you John; What is your opinion about the time frame you are processing every workout. If somebody train one and a half to two years and progresses the whole time in weight or reps, when will the progress become slower or stops for some time completely ? I know you have a lot to do, so I would appreciate it if you would give me your opinion. I think Mike said something about two years?
Thanks a lot and please progress with your great work. It would be nice if you would do a video of your experience with workouts etc, etc.
Amazing that the modern day R.O.M. High intensity machine is based on Mike’s principles of short burst of high exertion. I saw that Tony Robbins has one!
He would have been great on a pod cast. RIP Ray.
Great interview John ! I was wondering what routines of John Grimek were like Ray's ones ?
This is great. High Intensity Training works a charm. True believer here. I’ve virtually made more gains in one set using this approach than in years with traditional volume [BS] training.
Thanks for your post, Vincent.
do u have some progress pics? i'd like to see your gains on HIT
@@dontreadmyname4396 Try Google; there are plenty of testimonials and photos of people (Jay Vincent being one).
Hey John, this was very enjoyable. Ray was amazing, he was in Mike's shadow , but sure was his own man. Very opinionated and straight forward. I thought his career would take off after his Mr America win, but his pro career was very short, no real impact. Do you know what has become of his daughter?
Hi Bobby. Yes, Ray most certainly was his own man. Apropos Ray’s daughter, she is doing well and was kind enough to provide the photo of she and her Dad that was used in the film.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE AWESOME!!
Do you have any idea why the Med-X neck machines did not make it into the commercial gyms? Thank you.
Hi John another really interesting one although he sound quite similar to Mike in his voice ,his views and his personality are obviously very different did you know him well?
Another great post John. What made Mike and Ray so much closer than their other siblings? Was there a significant age gap? His older brother and sister are hardly mentioned by him, not even as frequently as his parents.
Hi Jack, there was only a two-year age gap between Mike and Ray (with Ray being the younger of the two). The older brother and sister were step siblings; their mother had been married previously but her first husband was killed in a car accident.
I will be incorporating more FunTime!
Hey John
Can you interview Jerry Brainum?
He had an interview recently on a Golden era bookwarm UA-cam chanel where he spoke about training HIT.
He said he wasn’t even in steroids and was bigger than most bodybuilders. I assume he means he isn’t on them (anymore) and his muscle memory from his steroid days is still maintained.
Your interpretation is as good as mine. I can only go by what he told me in the interview.
They mentioned Steve... Do you think adapting the Heavy duty, even for someone not genetically superior for bodybuilding (hardgainer) could achieve something of Steve Reeves physique? or 80% of it? by training 3-4x a week, negatives, slow, proper, etc? with the heavy duty principles of trying to progressive overload? Any tips on how someone would achieve the oldschool type of physique?
Ive know about H.I.T since 2004 i purchase High Intensity Training the Mike Mentzer Way by John Little hard cover book. Now ive purchased the Digital copy im lost when i hear Ray say he does
Chest and back 5-7 set
Arms 2-3 set
Thighs 3 set
Hamstring 2 set
Is it a different path a different.
I stop training over 10 years im jumping back on the horse and i feel the same way i did before 1 set to failure. If i try to do another set ill do less reps so i avoid doing extra sets.
It would be nice to see some pics of Ray from the time of this interview @1990. I'd like to see his 260lb "non steroid" physique. I'm assuming not very cut. Seems like he was about 5'9"(?), maybe an inch taller than Mike.
Have you had chance to work out with him? It would be cool to see those tips at the end demonstrated for us.
Sorry to say I never had the opportunity to workout with Ray.
Very true about the food intake comment lol. I feel like the bigger I've gotten the less food/calories I seem to actually need now. Weird lol
Thanks, DCT.
Ray could squat 900 pounds for 2 reps. Ronnie Coleman did 800 and had a double hip replacement.
Good point.
Ray rested more....big key for strength and saving joints.
@@richbrake9910 He took a break by putting on the brake, so to speak.
is there an evidence for that? a video maybe?
@@waldmeisterbrehm Talk to John Little, he interviewed Ray Mentzer. I have another Ray Mentzer story, but I better keep it to myself.
I don't really understand what Ray meant at 31:04 What does he mean when the larger you get the less calories you need. I don't understand.
Funny how different Mike and Ray were when it comes to explaining training principle, but the same.
That’s true, Edgar.
never heard the word Axis point used before , interesting
ray was so intense he used a machine gun as a microphone
The bigger the muscle group the longer the time for recovery.
I have a Ray Mentzer story that you probably don't want to hear: not exactly bad, but somewhat amusing.
What is it?
@@mikedarrow3809 You will have to believe Gregg Valentino (not the most reliable guy) tell the story (starting at the 23 minute 40 second mark): ua-cam.com/video/A5zYXVwTWXE/v-deo.html
@@drbonesshow1 ugh I heard that one. I’m with Greg have a spotter on each side of the barbell! 😆
@@mikedarrow3809 I enjoy having pretty girls lift my dumbbell after gym hours, but then I'm a ladies' man.
7:18 what?
I agree with his opinion and interpretation of the 80 and 81 Olympia. Arnold just eats salads now btw. 😂
Do you no how old rays daughter was when ray died John?
About 14 or 15 I believe.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE didn’t even realise Ray had a daughter, least she wasn’t to young. Cheers John.
what's with the quasi subliminal talking in the background
Hi Brian, old analogue tape where can old interview was recorded over.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Phew....I thought you were trying to recruit me into a cult for a second there John, ''you want to give your life savings to John Little, sign everything over now........
@@brianbadonde8700 Ah, you saw through my master plan Brian!
@@brianbadonde8700 🤣🤣🤣
@@vacinadefrangoedurateston2532 you never know these days🤨
His brother Mike said that Ray had greater genetic potential than did Mike,
Mike never said that to me and we talked quite extensively about genetics and Ray. He did say Ray had great genetics, however (obviously).
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE I may be mistaken it may have been better symmetry. I know that I read it somewhere many years ago. Ray's chest development was more Arnold-like, which Mike Mentzer struggled with. I remember seeing the stretch marks he had as an inquisitive 16-year old at his Nautilus seminar in Liverpool, NY (1979).
Ray was taller , larger, stronger , more symmetrical/ proportional than Mike but Mike looked freakier in some areas such as his calves.
He didnt train like mike 1 set till failure?
Not in 1990, which is when this interview was recorded. Mike didn’t reduce down to one set per exercise until he started training more clients, which occurred a few years after this.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE so mike didnt even get his results from 1 set but from more sets?
@@gaarauchiha7151 Mike made his best progress using 1-3 sets per muscle group. He would advise his natural trainees to perform no more than 2 sets per muscle group (one set per exercise) as a non-steroid user doesn’t have the enhanced recovery ability that steroids provide. Some of his critics have floated the notion that Mike used high volume (20 sets per muscle) to obtain the majority of his muscle mass, but a quick peek at his training history reveals this to be false. If you examine his training history chronologically, a pattern of what style of training produced his best gains emerges. From age 12-15 Mike actually gained 70 pounds training only three days a week with whole body workouts consisting of one-to-three sets per bodypart. According to Mike:
“From the time I started bodybuilding at the age of 12 until I was 15 I had actually trained in a relatively sensible and productive manner (just how sensible and productive I was not to discover for a number of years). Along with the first set of weights that my dad had bought me came an instruction booklet that suggested beginners like myself work out no more than three days a week, performing three sets for each body part. That formula proved so successful that in those three years I went from an initial body weight of 95 pounds with 9-inch arms to a weight of 165 pounds and 151⁄2-inch arms. Not bad for a 15-year-old kid!
But then his training changed:
“I thought then that as my resolve to be a top bodybuilder had moved up a step, it was time to start training like other top bodybuilders. Since every single title winner was training six days a week for at least two hours a day, who was I to question such practices? These guys were my heroes, so I followed suit. For a young man of 15 with no real responsibilities and a superabundance of energy, such training didn’t seem all that demanding. I noticed that my gains had slowed down considerably after beginning that type of marathon training, but then I was told, ‘Your gains are supposed to slow down as you progress.”’ (High-Intensity Training The Mike Mentzer Way/also original Heavy Duty booklet)
For the next four years (15-19) he trained several days a week with high volume, training up to three hours a day and working up to 30 sets per bodypart, six days a week. It was also at age 19 that he began using anabolic steroids. During this period, he gained another 20 pounds, eventually tipping the scales at 185 pounds. It was then that he began his competitive career, winning his first contest (Mr. Lancaster County) at age 18. At age 19 he won Mr. Pennsylvania. In 1971, he entered the Mr. America contest but placed a distant tenth to Casey Viator, a young man who employed high-intensity training. Seeing what results intense, brief and infrequent training had on Casey’s physique, Mike decided to give it a try after he was honourably discharged from the United States Air Force in 1974, and working out in a high-intensity fashion (whole body workouts performed three days a week, 2 to 5 sets per muscle group). During this period (1974-1976), his bodyweight/muscle mass increased steadily ending up with his winning a National contest (the Mr. America):
1974 - Junior Mr. America (190 lbs)
1975 - Mr. America (196 lbs)
1976 - Mr. America (209 lbs)
These gains were made on an already advanced level physique. Mike continued to use the three day per week, whole body protocol up until 1977, at which point he switched to a split routine (cutting the whole body workout in half) training Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays. Soon he felt he wasn't recovered enough and backed his training frequency off to once every two or three days (still on a split routine). He did this up to (and including his training for) the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest. Once again, his high-intensity training approach resulted in impressive muscle gains:
1978 - Mr. Universe (215 lbs)
1979 - Mr. Olympia (210 lbs)
1980 - Mr. Olympia (220 lbs)
1977 - 1980: 11 pounds
In looking at the chronology of his training we witness the following:
1963-1966: Three day per week, three sets per muscle group (whole body) training = 70 lbs.
1967-1971: Six day per week, (up to) 30 sets per muscle group split routine) training = 20 lbs.
1974-1980: High-Intensity Training (3-4 days per week, 2-6 sets per muscle group (split routine) training = 30 lbs.
So, in reviewing the above data, one can clearly see that Mike spent the bulk of his training career (13 out of 17 years) training three days per week in a high-intensity fashion. By no means did he build the majority of his muscle size with "conventional" (or volume) training, which, in reality, represented only a brief interlude in the middle of his training career and represented his lowest rate of muscle gain.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE thank you so much for responding, im a huge fan of mike's and anything he says just makes perfect sense. Im trying to find a more intermediate to advanced split routine of his but i cant seem to do so, every single one is for beginners do you have any? I was also thinking should i do push pull legs or chest back legs arms legs...
bro said he doesn't use steroid LMAOO yea ok. this is why testing is so important
he said he was 260 natty? weren't the mentzer brothers both deca gangsters? garbage
I am 285 natural ....do your research
@@messiahsfollower4643 give me phisique photos, i don't buy it, either u are 7feet and skinny or 6' and obese
@@messiahsfollower4643 285 of blubber
I can see why ray wasn't as popular as Mike. He's nowhere near the communicator as his brother. I still don't quite understand his routine. Was that 5 sets for chest and back total? Great to hear an interview with Ray as I never hear much from him. He won the america I think I'm 80. He beat my friend cesear juliani from Brooklyn
Cesear was the next ferrigno and trained in the same gym in Brooklyn called r and j health studio. It was the gym in pumping iron. Cesear was killed by the Mafia in 81
Thanks for your post, BrooklynBorn!