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I think it makes more sense for the Grades to increase the multiplier in a linear manner. For instance, Vegeta gains a 65x Base as a Grade 2, Trunks G3 Multiplier is 95x Base, and SSG4 is a 75x Base. Making SS2 150x Base. Strength isn't the only thing that makes a form superior, so while they say that SSG4 is more powerful than SSG3 it could be referring to its speed and maintainability.
@@LightroStorm You can say no all you want. Your numbers are too big and completely without evidence to support your claims. 1st off, you didn't take into account that their base forms are growing throughout the entire arc. Vegeta trained for a full year, that plus a higher SS-Mod would ensure he could beat Imperfect Cell, while losing to Perfect Cell. Though I'd prefer 60-70x Base for grade 2 to make sense of it all. Another good example is how Cell said that Trunks in G3 had more Ki than him, but no way to control it. It made him slower and lessened his reaction time. I think putting that SS-multiplyier higher than G4 is reasonable. SSG4 in my opinion can only go 1 of 2 ways. 1st it's only a 50times boost, making the biggest improvements to Gohan and Goku's base form. Or 2nd, it's 75 times, above G2 and Below G3.
Just gave me an idea for a what if suggestion. what if when Goku came back from Yardrat, he already mastered super saiyan grade 4, seems possible with spirit control mastery, like what if trunks new of it in this time line and just saved and warned everybody, Piccolo could be the person to talk with trunks, given piccolos relationship with Gohan who is Trunks master, its not to far fetched to say Gohan would of brought the topic of piccolo up during training.
So, the only way I see this happening is if Goku MASTERED spirit control, you know, not just instant transmission... So, Goku's able to train with himself, along with having several clones training with each other in different ways (think of it like the naruto route) With this, Not only is Goku's base far stronger, but he BARELY gets Ssj grade 4. With his training complete, he departs from yardrat. *Future Timeline* Goku arrives from yardrat, and kills both King cold and Mecha frieza with ease, whether King cold can transform or not. Goku works on getting his son to achieve super saiyan, and with his increased knowledge, he does, albeit only grade 1. However, he gets struck down with the heart virus, and dies. Gohan continues training to uphold his father's legacy, yet the androids arrive. Gohan might be present in the fight with the androids, or maybe they have krillin instead. However let's assume similar events play out. Piccolo might be stronger, but he'd still get killed. Gohan, with knowledge of how to get the grades of ssj, works on it. First, grade two. then, grade three. And finally, grade four. Grade four would be achieved right before trunks wants to train with Gohan. Gohan fights 17 and 18, and is actually able to kill both of them easily. (remember, in the manga 17 said "oh, i wasn't even using half my power", however Gohan here is over 20 times stronger than his canon counterpart. Not to mention no stamina drain, so Gohan actually kills both 17 & 18.) Bulma makes a time machine to hopefully have their friends not die, and Gohan goes back in time (I should mention trunks probably has grade two, being on the cusp of grade 3 at this time). *Present Timeline* Gohan shows up, kills both king cold and mecha frieza with greater ease than his father, and gives the heart virus medicine, as well as the android warning. Here however, imma say that Goku, y'know, helps them with spirit control (like he should've done in canon, or at least teach them instant transmission). Gohan gets ssj earlier, and actually gets grade two. Here's our scaling, from the weakest to strongest. Humans - still as strong as canon. Vegeta - a bit stronger, but it's barely noticeable. Piccolo - Much, Much stronger, probably on the level of grade two vegeta. Gohan - Again, much, much Stronger. In grade two, he's a decent bit above Piccolo, with his potential. Goku - still a ton ahead of the rest, with his strength matching his 50% from after he went into the HTC. He's gotten a taste of SSJ2, but he can't seem to get it yet. Basically what happens is 19 and 20 are killed instantly, Goku still has to deal with the heart virus, cell arrives and absorbs 18 and 17, becoming a weaker varient of perfect cell, since he didn't a. absorb humans, b. didn't get the zenkai from getting the crap beaten out of him by vegeta, nor having a third of his body obliterated. So he's about on par of what his surpressed version was when fighting Gohan from canon. Future Gohan and Trunks arrive, see what the hell happened, and we have the HTC training. Future Trunks goes with Vegeta, and Future Gohan goes with both Gohan and Goku, albeit the three of them can only do it for 8 months, it's still better than just having 2 people for a year. Trunks has gotten Grade 3, and is nearing grade 4 pre-chamber, and Gohan's in a similar state to Goku. Trunks and Vegeta come out in Grade 4, going to kill cell. Goku, Gohan, and Future Gohan all get SSJ2 when they step out of the chamber, and even if Cell somehow manages to survive Vegeta and trunks, he's no match for THREE SUPER SAIYAN TWOS. So in other words, everyone is far stronger. So... buu gets wrecked, Frieza gets wrecked, universe 6 gets destroyed, and the tournament gets sweeped.
If this is to happen and goku comes back on the same time I think there has to be a trade off. First off, he'd focus solely on spirit control and on no other techniques. Meaning no instant transmission.
I agree with all points made, the el legendario is honestly more official than any other guide, it was written and translated by bird studio, toriyamas PRIVATE staff, where interns are fired and sued for speaking on official info without having it checked first (even for tweets) you can bet that a guide meant to bridge the gap for Spanish fans is gonna be more info checked.
But when Trunks used grade 2, Cell wasn't using his 100% yet. Cell doesn't use his 100% until Gohan transforms into SSJ2. SSJ grade 2 Trunks wasn't stronger than 100% Perfect Cell.
Not trying to join in on the discord just throwing in my two cents to help with the algorthim that and you seem to have your mind made up. 1.Yes Cell was confident he could beat vegeta but that was before he powered up. Looking back at the exact chapter of him being confident Vegeta was powering up but before he transformed into grade 2 Cell was already visibly scared of his power. 2.Next is the el mango lengadario which openly condricticts the super exciting guide because if grade 3 is x10s than grade 2 that would put it at bare minimum of 500xs boost from base but the super exciting guide the very same one you constantly bring up in the video 50xs 2xs and 4xs openly says ssj2 is 100xs normal strength and ssj3 is 400xs normal strength. Also One of your later guides 8:45 says grade 5 is the strongest which would mean grade 3 has to be lower than 100xs power And Finally for grade 4 like you said it's up for interpretation "draws out the power of ssj to it's limit" Could easily mean grade 1 and right below that statement it says "Goku decided that an unreasonable power-up was a disadvantage" I perceive that was focusing on power up ssj would take too much time when they can focus on increasing their base. 3. You argue that the guides never openly says grade 4 is weaker and that most just say it's balanced but that is pretty weak imo because you can just flip it and say none of the guides say it's stronger but these same guides go out of their way to state grade 2 is stronger than grade 1 and grade 3 is stronger than grade 2 so it doesn't make sense.
I'm willing to change my mind if it's proven wrong to me. You seem to have misconstrued some of my points and also wrote some arguments I've already addressed in the video though. Discord: discord.gg/Hpg2FFN
I actually agree with the multipliers however one extra rebuttal that can be used against it is Goten and Trunks being relative to Gohan and Vegeta in the early Boo Saga where it’s very unlikely that either of them have Grade 4 so them being over 20x weaker would be a stretch
Trunks is actually stated in a guidebook (can't remember which one, so feel free to disregard) to have 'mastered Super Saiyan'. And with how they show 0 strain (and Gotenks can jump all the way to SSJ3), I think it's likely they're in Grade 4. Plus, yeah, Goten = Gohan doesn't work unless he's using Grade 4.
@ I can agree with Trunks but Goten feels more difficult to give him that since I thinks it’s implied he only used it once to show Chi Chi in training(although he could’ve done training on his own) but when he transforms he does have the sharper aura of the Grade 4 which could be proof
@@dinostar2894 If i remember correctly its not implied that he's only done it once, just that he cant do it around his mom. He seems to have way too easy a time transforming for it to only be his 2nd time
How I saw always saw it was that transforming into super saiyan drains energy witch weakens the form so they couldn't use the full power of super saiyan but ssjg4 has no drain so they now can you super saiyan at full power but that is just what I thought as a kid
I think what this means is: SSJ g1: 50× SSJ g2: 100× SSJ g3: 1,000× SSJ g4: 1,000× *[more efficiently.]* SSJ g5/SSJ2: 2,000× SSJ3: 8,000× SSJG: ??? SSJB: ???×1,000 SSJBKK×20: ???×20,000 SSJBE: ???×20,000 *[confirmed to be a boost on par with blue kaioken × 20.]* SSJ4 has no set multiplier. It's power boost is dependent on the potential of the individual.
It's not an outlier because 10× in GT was stated to be on a completely different level. Which lines up what Gohan and Omega said with what Krillin and El Legendario said about Trunks.
For Grade 2 = 2x Grade 1, I’ve additionally seen people use the EML (where it says Gohan increased his power without swelling his muscles like Vegeta) to argue that Gohan’s boost from Grade 4 = Vegeta’s boost from Grade 1 (2x); ofc this isn’t the only way to interpret that statement though and I mean there’s other arguments that Gohan’s boost is more than 2x through being rage-boosted or that SSJ2 is just > 2x. Iirc Trunks in the English dub says something similar when comparing SSJ2 to Grade 3, if it’s a dub only thing it is what it is, but it’s still interesting.
Anybody can get ultra instinct if they have the right environment and u prob never watched dbs or dragon ball super.Super saiyan god, super saiyan god super saiyan or super saiyan blue, Super saiyan blue Evolution or super saiyan god super saiyan Evolution
@Litro_Storm, What if the Saiyans had mastered Ssj grade 2 and 3? What if the Saiyans, had mastered the grade variants of Base, ssj2-4, and the god versions of the base and Ssj forms ?
Oh no, every transformation beyond super saiyan aside from *super saiyan 4* is fixed for every saiyan *(Save Broly and Kale).* Super saiyan 2 is grade 5. Super saiyan 3 might as well be considered grade 6 since it was at one point referred to as a *turbo charged super saiyan.* Super saiyan God has a fixed increased that we don't know about, but it doesn't change. Now with super saiyan 4, it brings out every drop of power a saiyan has as well as bringing a saiyan's body to it's physical peak. Absolutely nothing is left in reserve.
So your whole point is based on semi perfect cell is stronger than grade 1 vegeta. But vegeta most likely didn’t increase his power in grade 1 to maximum. My assumption grade 2 is times 1.3 of grade 1 in strength but no increase in speed. Grade 3 is times 2 in speed when speed divide by 2. So Trunks’s strength surpassed perfect cell in suppression. Both of this two form are similar to Frieza’s 100% form with energy continue consumption. If grade 3 can really give them a insanely increase, Goku would use that when he changing that Kamehameha with instant transmission to completely vaporizer Cell.
One way to argue grade 4 is stronger is to argue that grade 2 and grade 3 are a linear progression in power above grade 1 and that Vegeta states the Goku and gohan made super sayian part of their natural state and that their ki feels different also cell seems to think Goku grade four is stronger and cell can use the previous 3 grades as he dose have sayian dna the whole idea that the picture means grade 1 since that’s the version shown simply could have been the editor choice and he might have thought grade 1 and 4 were the same thing the argument that he just trained his base is atleast partially wrong as Goku hypostized that in order to go super sayian 2. You had to be able to maintain the super sayian transformation in daily life the fact that grade 4 is the staging ground for achieving super sayian 2 and something gohan had to achieve prior to super sayian 2 puts a lot of doubt in my mind that it’s only a 50 * base
So bare minimum, a mastered super saiyan form is 1000x your base battle power. You could have a power level of five and just by having super saiyan grade 4 you would be able to destroy earth and become a planetary to even dwarf star level threat
I'm assuming that it would only need to be 25% to 30% higher than the opposite side to negate the attacks and probably 50% to 65% higher for a one-shot twice as strong is an overkill
Firstly why are you assuming that when its clearly shown you need a 2x power level to one shot. Also a suppressed semiperfect cell was stronger than ssj vegeta and grade 2 vegeta was about 50% strongee which we know because goku and freiz had 25% difference and freiza was doing a lot better'
Nice job dude your one of the more accurate ones. For me tho: SSJ: 50x Grade 2 is around 100+ (SSJ Vegeta >Imperfect Cell > SSJ Grade 2) and let's IC is 1.25x SSJ Vegeta so 62.5 and then Gr. 2 Goku is around 1.75 times so 109.375 and then Perfect cell tank final flash Vegeta that I believe is 4x so 437.5 and Cell kinda tanks that so let's say 500 and Gr.3 is equal to that because I don't believe Gr.3 trunks is stronger than cel. Then when SSJ Grade 4 shows up they're shock specially trunks in just 50% of gr. 4 but let's just say he's still 500 at 50% so that means Gr.4 is 1,000x which actually makes sense to me honestly
I ama ctually like really confused, how is SSJG2 and the others so high up to several hundreds when SSJ2 is stated to be a 200 times multiplier and SSJ3 being a 400 times one? That would make SSJG3 and 4 higher than SSJ3 no?
Question: what reason did cell have to lie about his power compared to ssj grade 3, if a villain outright states how powerful they are ocomes razor implies that they are telling the truth until evidence of the opposite is show, so far that has only happened to beerus and he wasn't a villain he was an antagonist.
This guidebook maybe is not canon because write he design in 2007. So i m not sure toriyama remember even ssj2 then. The 10000 times stronger grade3 than grade 2 seems impossible. Only make sense if ssj2 is 15000 or 20000 stronger than grade 2
You would be wrong to say that SS2 is stronger than SS Grade 3 because SS Grade 3 has Bigger Muscle mass than SS2! Because that’s (Exactly) like saying that someone with SS2 can beat someone who is SS Grade 3 in an arm wrestle! That makes 0% sence! Do you see what I am saying? (So that’s why) that SS2 should not have a higher multiplier than SS Grade 3 because of that! SS2 is only (and only) faster than the other SS Grade forms!
I have no idea how to make sense of this comment, but he's not saying that the super saiyan 2 multiplier is higher or lower then super saiyan *grade 2.* What he's actually saying is that there is a difference in what it is that the two grades are multiplying. Grade 2 is stronger than grade 1 by factor of 2. *Grade 5* is *also* stronger than *grade 4* by a factor of 2. All he's saying here is that grade 4 is far stronger than people make it out to be. Also 2 saiyans at the same natural strength level. One goes grade 2 super saiyan, the other goes grade 5 super saiyan. The one with grade 5 is crushing the one with grade 2 not because of the forms themselves, but what they build apoun.
I think grade 4 is the same strength as grade 3. I think they are both 4 times. On namek you saw frieza power up to 100% and that was two times. Cell even said that most beings can bulk up like that. I think trunk, vegeta and goku are roughly equal in base with vegeta problably being slightly stronger in base because of his second trip to the time chamber. The reason I think goku is stronger is because grade 4 is two times grade 2.
Grade 1 is the weakest Grade 2 is stranger then then grade 1 Grade 3 is Supposed to be Stronger then grade 1&2 Grade 4 is well Stronger then grades 1 though 3 Grade 5 well is Stronger then the other 4 grades and plus those Guides are a joke and probably too confuse people how the are on the grades
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I think it makes more sense for the Grades to increase the multiplier in a linear manner. For instance, Vegeta gains a 65x Base as a Grade 2, Trunks G3 Multiplier is 95x Base, and SSG4 is a 75x Base. Making SS2 150x Base. Strength isn't the only thing that makes a form superior, so while they say that SSG4 is more powerful than SSG3 it could be referring to its speed and maintainability.
@@aaronstrerk5521 No.
@@LightroStorm You can say no all you want. Your numbers are too big and completely without evidence to support your claims. 1st off, you didn't take into account that their base forms are growing throughout the entire arc. Vegeta trained for a full year, that plus a higher SS-Mod would ensure he could beat Imperfect Cell, while losing to Perfect Cell. Though I'd prefer 60-70x Base for grade 2 to make sense of it all. Another good example is how Cell said that Trunks in G3 had more Ki than him, but no way to control it. It made him slower and lessened his reaction time. I think putting that SS-multiplyier higher than G4 is reasonable. SSG4 in my opinion can only go 1 of 2 ways. 1st it's only a 50times boost, making the biggest improvements to Gohan and Goku's base form. Or 2nd, it's 75 times, above G2 and Below G3.
@@aaronstrerk5521No bc Babys punches only tickled SSJ4 Goku
@@SuperKamiGuruu Super Saiyan Grade 4, not Super Saiyan 4.
Just gave me an idea for a what if suggestion.
what if when Goku came back from Yardrat, he already mastered super saiyan grade 4, seems possible with spirit control mastery, like what if trunks new of it in this time line and just saved and warned everybody, Piccolo could be the person to talk with trunks, given piccolos relationship with Gohan who is Trunks master, its not to far fetched to say Gohan would of brought the topic of piccolo up during training.
So, the only way I see this happening is if Goku MASTERED spirit control, you know, not just instant transmission...
So, Goku's able to train with himself, along with having several clones training with each other in different ways (think of it like the naruto route)
With this, Not only is Goku's base far stronger, but he BARELY gets Ssj grade 4.
With his training complete, he departs from yardrat.
*Future Timeline*
Goku arrives from yardrat, and kills both King cold and Mecha frieza with ease, whether King cold can transform or not.
Goku works on getting his son to achieve super saiyan, and with his increased knowledge, he does, albeit only grade 1. However, he gets struck down with the heart virus, and dies. Gohan continues training to uphold his father's legacy, yet the androids arrive. Gohan might be present in the fight with the androids, or maybe they have krillin instead. However let's assume similar events play out. Piccolo might be stronger, but he'd still get killed.
Gohan, with knowledge of how to get the grades of ssj, works on it. First, grade two. then, grade three. And finally, grade four. Grade four would be achieved right before trunks wants to train with Gohan. Gohan fights 17 and 18, and is actually able to kill both of them easily. (remember, in the manga 17 said "oh, i wasn't even using half my power", however Gohan here is over 20 times stronger than his canon counterpart. Not to mention no stamina drain, so Gohan actually kills both 17 & 18.) Bulma makes a time machine to hopefully have their friends not die, and Gohan goes back in time (I should mention trunks probably has grade two, being on the cusp of grade 3 at this time).
*Present Timeline*
Gohan shows up, kills both king cold and mecha frieza with greater ease than his father, and gives the heart virus medicine, as well as the android warning.
Here however, imma say that Goku, y'know, helps them with spirit control (like he should've done in canon, or at least teach them instant transmission). Gohan gets ssj earlier, and actually gets grade two. Here's our scaling, from the weakest to strongest.
Humans - still as strong as canon.
Vegeta - a bit stronger, but it's barely noticeable.
Piccolo - Much, Much stronger, probably on the level of grade two vegeta.
Gohan - Again, much, much Stronger. In grade two, he's a decent bit above Piccolo, with his potential.
Goku - still a ton ahead of the rest, with his strength matching his 50% from after he went into the HTC. He's gotten a taste of SSJ2, but he can't seem to get it yet.
Basically what happens is 19 and 20 are killed instantly, Goku still has to deal with the heart virus, cell arrives and absorbs 18 and 17, becoming a weaker varient of perfect cell, since he didn't a. absorb humans, b. didn't get the zenkai from getting the crap beaten out of him by vegeta, nor having a third of his body obliterated. So he's about on par of what his surpressed version was when fighting Gohan from canon. Future Gohan and Trunks arrive, see what the hell happened, and we have the HTC training. Future Trunks goes with Vegeta, and Future Gohan goes with both Gohan and Goku, albeit the three of them can only do it for 8 months, it's still better than just having 2 people for a year. Trunks has gotten Grade 3, and is nearing grade 4 pre-chamber, and Gohan's in a similar state to Goku.
Trunks and Vegeta come out in Grade 4, going to kill cell. Goku, Gohan, and Future Gohan all get SSJ2 when they step out of the chamber, and even if Cell somehow manages to survive Vegeta and trunks, he's no match for THREE SUPER SAIYAN TWOS.
So in other words, everyone is far stronger. So... buu gets wrecked, Frieza gets wrecked, universe 6 gets destroyed, and the tournament gets sweeped.
If this is to happen and goku comes back on the same time I think there has to be a trade off. First off, he'd focus solely on spirit control and on no other techniques. Meaning no instant transmission.
13:43 Bruh, that's what I'm saying, my guy.
Honestly, I'm subbing just for this video.
I agree with all points made, the el legendario is honestly more official than any other guide, it was written and translated by bird studio, toriyamas PRIVATE staff, where interns are fired and sued for speaking on official info without having it checked first (even for tweets) you can bet that a guide meant to bridge the gap for Spanish fans is gonna be more info checked.
Lightro: Doing math my brain can't comprehend
Me: 2+5=9 right?
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@@LightroStorm Lmao
@@LightroStorm lol
Lightro_Storm me (3)
Lightro_Storm i was called by my sr and start discussing question & i made right calculation by mind yet i got a U
Informative indeed.
Loved this video, you just got a new subscriber. I hope you make more power scaling videos in the future!
But when Trunks used grade 2, Cell wasn't using his 100% yet. Cell doesn't use his 100% until Gohan transforms into SSJ2.
SSJ grade 2 Trunks wasn't stronger than 100% Perfect Cell.
Trunks was in Grade 3 and when Cell made that statement, It's safe to assume he meant Grade 3 Trunks was stronger than his suppressed Perfect form.
Perfect Cell was just screwing with Trunks at that point.
Not trying to join in on the discord just throwing in my two cents to help with the algorthim that and you seem to have your mind made up.
1.Yes Cell was confident he could beat vegeta but that was before he powered up. Looking back at the exact chapter of him being confident Vegeta was powering up but before he transformed into grade 2 Cell was already visibly scared of his power.
2.Next is the el mango lengadario which openly condricticts the super exciting guide because if grade 3 is x10s than grade 2 that would put it at bare minimum of 500xs boost from base but the super exciting guide the very same one you constantly bring up in the video 50xs 2xs and 4xs openly says ssj2 is 100xs normal strength and ssj3 is 400xs normal strength. Also One of your later guides 8:45 says grade 5 is the strongest which would mean grade 3 has to be lower than 100xs power And Finally for grade 4 like you said it's up for interpretation "draws out the power of ssj to it's limit" Could easily mean grade 1 and right below that statement it says "Goku decided that an unreasonable power-up was a disadvantage" I perceive that was focusing on power up ssj would take too much time when they can focus on increasing their base.
3. You argue that the guides never openly says grade 4 is weaker and that most just say it's balanced but that is pretty weak imo because you can just flip it and say none of the guides say it's stronger but these same guides go out of their way to state grade 2 is stronger than grade 1 and grade 3 is stronger than grade 2 so it doesn't make sense.
I'm willing to change my mind if it's proven wrong to me. You seem to have misconstrued some of my points and also wrote some arguments I've already addressed in the video though. Discord: discord.gg/Hpg2FFN
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I actually agree with the multipliers however one extra rebuttal that can be used against it is Goten and Trunks being relative to Gohan and Vegeta in the early Boo Saga where it’s very unlikely that either of them have Grade 4 so them being over 20x weaker would be a stretch
Trunks is actually stated in a guidebook (can't remember which one, so feel free to disregard) to have 'mastered Super Saiyan'. And with how they show 0 strain (and Gotenks can jump all the way to SSJ3), I think it's likely they're in Grade 4. Plus, yeah, Goten = Gohan doesn't work unless he's using Grade 4.
@ I can agree with Trunks but Goten feels more difficult to give him that since I thinks it’s implied he only used it once to show Chi Chi in training(although he could’ve done training on his own) but when he transforms he does have the sharper aura of the Grade 4 which could be proof
@@dinostar2894 If i remember correctly its not implied that he's only done it once, just that he cant do it around his mom. He seems to have way too easy a time transforming for it to only be his 2nd time
Nice one Lightro
good shit
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How I saw always saw it was that transforming into super saiyan drains energy witch weakens the form so they couldn't use the full power of super saiyan but ssjg4 has no drain so they now can you super saiyan at full power but that is just what I thought as a kid
Fixed multipliers - 1st version
Oozaru: 10
SSJ G1 = 50
SSJ G2 = 100
SSJ G3 = 125
SSJ G4 = 50 - 125 (for 50× no stamina loss. Can powerup and wield the power of SSJ G3, but without becoming slow, however energy consumption is like SSJ G1)
[Note: every mastered SSJ form works like SSJG4, m=mastered]
SSJ2 = 250
SSJ2 M = 250 - 500
SSJ3 = 1k
SSJ3 M = 1k - 2k
SSJ4 = SSJ3(M)×Oozaru = 2k×10x = 20k
SSJ4(M) = 25k - 50K
SSJ4 FP (M) = 50k
SSJ4 FP LB = 50k initial and keeps rising
About SSJG: Goku said Vegito at FP wouldn't be enough ->
SSJG >> Vegito SSJ3 (mastered) FP
-> Potarafusion (A+B)×100 ->
Vegito, if Vegeta and Goku at base had 5 billion in the end of Boosaga -> 2×5×10^9x100= 10^12
SSJ3 (M) Vegito at FP = 2x10^13
SSJG ~ 10^16
SSJGSSJ = 5×10^17
Perfected BLUE = 1,25×10^18
Perfected BLUE (M) = 10^19
SSJBE = 10^20
UI/UE: Current Max-Power while using highest Transformation Multiplier & Techniques -> initial FP
[UI= inital FP × 10 - Infinite (depending on Level of mastery)]
[UE = initial FP × 100 - Infinite (depending of level of mastered & rising with battle spirit)]
Fixed multipliers - 2nd version
[Note: Kaioken maxes out at x10]
Oozaru= 5
SSJ G1= 25
SSJ G2 = 40
SSJ G3 = 50
SSJ G4 = 25 - 50 (M)
SSJ2 = 100
SSJ2 (M) = 100 - 200
SSJ3 = 400
SSJ3 (M) = 400 - 800
SSJ4 = 4k
SSJ4 (M) = 5k - 10k
SSJ4 (M) FP = 20k
SSJ4 LB = 25k (initial, keeps rising)
SSJG >> Vegito at FP ->
Potara (A+B)×10 (Like 1st fix) ->
SSJ 3 (M) FP Vegito -> 2x5x10^9×10 = 10^11 ->
SSJG ~ 10^14
SSJGSSJ = 5×10^15
Pefected BLUE = 1,25x10^16
Perfected BLUE (M) = 10^17
SSJBE = 10^18
UI/UE: Current Max-Power while using highest Transformation Multiplier & Techniques -> initial FP
[UI= inital FP × 10 - Infinite (depending on Level of mastery)]
[UE = initial FP × 100 - Infinite (depending of level of mastered & rising with battle spirit)]
No.
@LightroStorm yes
I liked this video I wanna see how strong ssj4 would be
Around 40 000 (I think it was Seth the Programer that deduced that)
500 times base
@@stephenquinn7931 tf no lmao
Grade 1 50x grade 2 75x grade 3 125x grade 4 80x ssj2 100x ssj3 400x ssj4 4 000x god form is 4000x blue 20 000 and blue evolution is 400,000 x
No what the fuck is wrong with you
1 headcanon lol 2 watch the vid
I think what this means is:
SSJ g1: 50×
SSJ g2: 100×
SSJ g3: 1,000×
SSJ g4: 1,000× *[more efficiently.]*
SSJ g5/SSJ2: 2,000×
SSJ3: 8,000×
SSJG: ???
SSJB: ???×1,000
SSJBKK×20: ???×20,000
SSJBE: ???×20,000 *[confirmed to be a boost on par with blue kaioken × 20.]*
SSJ4 has no set multiplier. It's power boost is dependent on the potential of the individual.
But 2000 times seams a little much
@@captaind8152 Lightro did the research and analysis. Not me. I just plugged in his numbers with the grades and went further.
I disagree:
MASSIVE PARAGRAPH
It's not an outlier because 10× in GT was stated to be on a completely different level. Which lines up what Gohan and Omega said with what Krillin and El Legendario said about Trunks.
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For Grade 2 = 2x Grade 1, I’ve additionally seen people use the EML (where it says Gohan increased his power without swelling his muscles like Vegeta) to argue that Gohan’s boost from Grade 4 = Vegeta’s boost from Grade 1 (2x); ofc this isn’t the only way to interpret that statement though and I mean there’s other arguments that Gohan’s boost is more than 2x through being rage-boosted or that SSJ2 is just > 2x. Iirc Trunks in the English dub says something similar when comparing SSJ2 to Grade 3, if it’s a dub only thing it is what it is, but it’s still interesting.
I would love to see a power scaling with super Sayin red,blue,blue, ultra instinct in it
Anybody can get ultra instinct if they have the right environment and u prob never watched dbs or dragon ball super.Super saiyan god, super saiyan god super saiyan or super saiyan blue, Super saiyan blue Evolution or super saiyan god super saiyan Evolution
I haven't watched all of dbs but I've seen all the fights I didn't know that thanks
@Litro_Storm,
What if the Saiyans had mastered Ssj grade 2 and 3?
What if the Saiyans, had mastered the grade variants of Base, ssj2-4, and the god versions of the base and Ssj forms ?
Oh no, every transformation beyond super saiyan aside from *super saiyan 4* is fixed for every saiyan *(Save Broly and Kale).*
Super saiyan 2 is grade 5. Super saiyan 3 might as well be considered grade 6 since it was at one point referred to as a *turbo charged super saiyan.*
Super saiyan God has a fixed increased that we don't know about, but it doesn't change.
Now with super saiyan 4, it brings out every drop of power a saiyan has as well as bringing a saiyan's body to it's physical peak. Absolutely nothing is left in reserve.
So your whole point is based on semi perfect cell is stronger than grade 1 vegeta. But vegeta most likely didn’t increase his power in grade 1 to maximum.
My assumption grade 2 is times 1.3 of grade 1 in strength but no increase in speed.
Grade 3 is times 2 in speed when speed divide by 2. So Trunks’s strength surpassed perfect cell in suppression.
Both of this two form are similar to Frieza’s 100% form with energy continue consumption.
If grade 3 can really give them a insanely increase, Goku would use that when he changing that Kamehameha with instant transmission to completely vaporizer Cell.
That's not what my whole point is based on. Join my Discord and I'll explain further. discord.gg/Hpg2FFN
Can you make more power scaling videos?
One way to argue grade 4 is stronger is to argue that grade 2 and grade 3 are a linear progression in power above grade 1 and that Vegeta states the Goku and gohan made super sayian part of their natural state and that their ki feels different also cell seems to think Goku grade four is stronger and cell can use the previous 3 grades as he dose have sayian dna the whole idea that the picture means grade 1 since that’s the version shown simply could have been the editor choice and he might have thought grade 1 and 4 were the same thing the argument that he just trained his base is atleast partially wrong as Goku hypostized that in order to go super sayian 2. You had to be able to maintain the super sayian transformation in daily life the fact that grade 4 is the staging ground for achieving super sayian 2 and something gohan had to achieve prior to super sayian 2 puts a lot of doubt in my mind that it’s only a 50 * base
If u were in super saiyan and use kaioken x10 would that make a 500 x increase
if it's grade 1 yes
if it's grade 4 i'd be far beyond that
Keep in mind, it's not possible.
But if it was, yes.
So bare minimum, a mastered super saiyan form is 1000x your base battle power. You could have a power level of five and just by having super saiyan grade 4 you would be able to destroy earth and become a planetary to even dwarf star level threat
But the Daizenshu says the power of the Super Saiyan to the limits.
Couldn't that just be talking about Super sayian 1? Without the grades!
I'm assuming that it would only need to be 25% to 30% higher than the opposite side to negate the attacks and probably 50% to 65% higher for a one-shot
twice as strong is an overkill
Firstly why are you assuming that when its clearly shown you need a 2x power level to one shot.
Also a suppressed semiperfect cell was stronger than ssj vegeta and grade 2 vegeta was about 50% strongee which we know because goku and freiz had 25% difference and freiza was doing a lot better'
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but all he did was abusing piccolo's cells
Nice job dude your one of the more accurate ones.
For me tho:
SSJ: 50x
Grade 2 is around 100+ (SSJ Vegeta >Imperfect Cell > SSJ Grade 2) and let's IC is 1.25x SSJ Vegeta so 62.5 and then Gr. 2 Goku is around 1.75 times so 109.375 and then Perfect cell tank final flash Vegeta that I believe is 4x so 437.5 and Cell kinda tanks that so let's say 500 and Gr.3 is equal to that because I don't believe Gr.3 trunks is stronger than cel. Then when SSJ Grade 4 shows up they're shock specially trunks in just 50% of gr. 4 but let's just say he's still 500 at 50% so that means Gr.4 is 1,000x which actually makes sense to me honestly
honestly wish super saiyan had stayed at 50x then making Power scales would be so much easier
Yooo
Domantion Multipliers
I ama ctually like really confused, how is SSJG2 and the others so high up to several hundreds when SSJ2 is stated to be a 200 times multiplier and SSJ3 being a 400 times one? That would make SSJG3 and 4 higher than SSJ3 no?
1:52 tripled
honestly super saiyan grade 4 is atleast 690000000000 times base
Cringe
Question: what reason did cell have to lie about his power compared to ssj grade 3, if a villain outright states how powerful they are ocomes razor implies that they are telling the truth until evidence of the opposite is show, so far that has only happened to beerus and he wasn't a villain he was an antagonist.
This guidebook maybe is not canon because write he design in 2007. So i m not sure toriyama remember even ssj2 then. The 10000 times stronger grade3 than grade 2 seems impossible. Only make sense if ssj2 is 15000 or 20000 stronger than grade 2
Ssj 1 in frieza saga 50x
Ssjg 1 in cell saga also is 50x
And ssjg4 is also is 50x
But difference is ki control longevity and energy drain
And ssjg 2 is 62.5x and ssjg 3 is 75x and ssj 2 is 100x
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would mastered SSJ3 (Hypotheticaly) still be 4x SSJ2 or 16x Cause i saw somewhere that mastered SSJ3 Is 16x SSJ2.
maybe trunks was at least stronger than goku in base but under leveled in transformation and might be a bit under gohan
Hiya!
You would be wrong to say that SS2 is stronger than SS Grade 3 because SS Grade 3 has Bigger Muscle mass than SS2!
Because that’s (Exactly) like saying that someone with SS2 can beat someone who is SS Grade 3 in an arm wrestle!
That makes 0% sence!
Do you see what I am saying?
(So that’s why) that SS2 should not have a higher multiplier than SS Grade 3 because of that! SS2 is only (and only) faster than the other SS Grade forms!
I have no idea how to make sense of this comment, but he's not saying that the super saiyan 2 multiplier is higher or lower then super saiyan *grade 2.*
What he's actually saying is that there is a difference in what it is that the two grades are multiplying.
Grade 2 is stronger than grade 1 by factor of 2.
*Grade 5* is *also* stronger than *grade 4* by a factor of 2.
All he's saying here is that grade 4 is far stronger than people make it out to be.
Also 2 saiyans at the same natural strength level. One goes grade 2 super saiyan, the other goes grade 5 super saiyan. The one with grade 5 is crushing the one with grade 2 not because of the forms themselves, but what they build apoun.
i’m sending a lot of, check out my super saiyan grade video above,
I think grade 4 is the same strength as grade 3. I think they are both 4 times. On namek you saw frieza power up to 100% and that was two times. Cell even said that most beings can bulk up like that. I think trunk, vegeta and goku are roughly equal in base with vegeta problably being slightly stronger in base because of his second trip to the time chamber. The reason I think goku is stronger is because grade 4 is two times grade 2.
Dang super sayian 2 is weak
Video is wrong that's all
No it would be stronger as it is 2x master ssj
Grade 1 is the weakest
Grade 2 is stranger then then grade 1
Grade 3 is Supposed to be
Stronger then grade 1&2
Grade 4 is well Stronger then grades 1 though 3
Grade 5 well is Stronger then the other 4 grades and plus those Guides are a joke and probably too confuse people how the are on the grades
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