Yeah but all god transformation are dumb as shit and lame as fuck. Even the mui is 50/50 for me because white hair? Lmao I'd much rather prefer the fan art ssj5 of the old days than these trash forms
A lot of people in the community say we have too many transformations in the series but in reality most of the transformations are powered up variations of 1 form
Fssj Ssj 1 grade 1 Ssj 1 grade 2 Ssj 1 grade 3 Ssj 1 grade 4 Ssj 2 (Potentially grades 1-4, potentially not) Ssj 3 (Potentially grades 1-4, potentially not) Ssjfp Sajkk PUssj Gga (ssj+great ape/ga) Ssj4 Ssj4fp Ssj4fplb Ssgss (ssj+god) Ssr (ssgss but you’re a kai) Ssr 2 Ssr 3 Ssrfp (ssr 3 but like a grade 4 version) Ssrage (wonkey ass ssj) Ssgsse (ssgss but evolved.?) Ssgsskk 2-20 Rssj Ssjfp (super broly’s green haired form) Bssj (kales green haired form) Cbssj Bssj 2 (keflas green haired form) Lssj (z broly’s green haired form) Lssj 2 Lssj 3 (and what ever the hell Lgod is.) Lgga Lssj 4 Dlssj Lssj 4fp Lssj4fplb Ss:ea (ssj with an evil aura) Ssbb (ssgss but berserk) Feel free to add to this I’m really done typing and looking up forms. You are absolutely right about majority of forms just being “super saiyan but..”
@@boneman9751 quick correction:SSJ2 and SSJ3 definetly don't have their own grades, since both of them are actually grades of the original SSJ, SSJ2 being grade V and SSJ3 being VI, they are probably named 2 and 3 because they look way more different when compared to SSJ Grade 1 than Grades 2-4 SSJFP and Grade 4 are the same thing too
@@diogod2347 I said potentially not definitely and FPSSJ is a different form from hero’s which is basically grade 4 but for ssj3. You can tell because it has the long hair but keeps the eyebrows. That’s also why i bring up there potentially being grades for 2 and 3. According to hero’s there’s a grade 4 for ssj3, therefore, it’s possible it exists for the other 2
Then just replace “transformations” with “variations” and you end up with the same problem 🤦🏻♂️ You know what people mean and you’re just using semantics to make a pointless argument.
I'm not using semantics because there is a difference between a transformation and a variation super saiyan and super saiyan god are transformations grade 2 and grade 3 are variations of ssj1 toriyama said it too
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For the SSJ Grade 2/3 lightning. I would say their’s was still yellow lightning while SSJ2’s lightning was blue. The clip you showed of SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta shooting his Final Flash for the first time showed yellow while the SSJ2 Gohan’s lightning was blue. Just a small critique though, the video is awesome, fantastic job!
Man, I remember the 90s and going to the library to visit all the Dragonball websites that had power level guides, theories, and amazing artwork. The pinnacle of my DBZ love
Personally, I think it’s a generational thing. Like how Bardock and that generation of saiyans couldn’t do it, then Goku and Vegetas generation struggled to do it, and Gohans struggled but not like Goku, and then Goten and Trunks easily doing it. The universe 6 saiyans also easily doing it bc they evolved more than Goku and Vegeta. That would also explain why Broly didn’t change till he was an adult and how Paragus never even came close to SSJ.
Thank you for the video, very nice omnibus. The S-Cells is an interesting idea and it can explain things. 1) A specific quantity of S-Cells is required to transform into a Super Saiyan. 2) S-Cells can be increase from being in a peaceful environment (tranquillity) or training, increase in Ki levels. 3) S-Cells can be passed on through bloodlines. The reason Goku never went Super Saiyan as a child even when Krillin died is because his S-Cell count was too low. Although he lived a peaceful environment he did not inherit many do the nature of the Saiyan race. However his training during the Freiza saga which increased his power to a level no other Saiyan had achieved increase his S-Cell count to a level in which Rage and the physical effects of Rage triggered the S-Cells. With Goten and Trunks they had inherited high levels of S-Cells from their fathers and lived in a Peaceful environment and trained together. So their S-Cell level was at a count where they could transform without the physical effects of Rage. Another thought is that the Saiyan Tail’s growth could be related to S-Cell count, that is why they stopped growing on Vegita and Gohan, and Trunks and Gohen were not born with them. This could also be why Universe 6 Saiyans do not have them. Their way of life increased their S-Cell count so they stopped growing tails but they never had the triggering event for Super Saiyan.
Saturday morning Geekdom drop let’s go! Always informative with the facts! Calling it, best transformation guide for Super Saiyan. This video is what the community needs! I’m being biased, but this was a lot of time and effort and I appreciate it. Will always have my support! Day 1 fan! 🙏
Geekdom i think Goten and Trunks also achieved that full powered Super saiyan form(Grade 4) as well. When i see the great saiyanman saga and buu saga i noticed that there are tons of scenes where Goten and Trunks are in super saiyan mode but still relaxed and the tone of hair is white. It makes sense since they don’t even take the form as serious and don’t seem to have a strain at all.
I hope the s-cells thing becomes something that matters in the story, like a science based villain making synthetic or stolen s-cells to make super saiyan level powerups via injection. Or, someone uses the s-cells to make a chemical weapon to kill the saiyans (universe 6 threat maybe)
@freza980 no, that was a unique lifeforms that had all of the abilities and dna of the saiyans and frieza. I mean create an actual literal power up injection to mimic super saiyan, or a chemical weapon specifically to kill saiyans
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Or have frieza be apart of it some how. Maybe have him study sayain DNA. Im sure he keeps stuff like that in the medical records. Vegeta being a soldier there im sure visted a doctor at least once.
My head canon for trunks and Goten so easily getting ssj was they just grew up around it, when you are around something so much it becomes normal. Making it much easier to do things people at one time found impossible.
Trunks sure. He was around his father who trained as a SSJ but Goten wasn't. Gohan never trained after his fight with Cell. So Goten wouldn't have been around someone who was SSJ.
Fun fan theory about why the younger kids goten and trunks are stronger without getting emotional much quicker and reach Super Saiyan at very young ages: Some people say that if you're around something Divine then you can take on that Divinity over time just by being near it. Perhaps this is how the ki Aura works for people with Saiyan heritage. For example not only being born of Goku and Vegeta and raised around them and the other saiyens that are older the kids absorb some of their Divine strengthor ki from the older warriors. Remember that at this time the younger boys did not go Super Saiyan until after Goku had died but were also around Gohan who was the strongest saiyen at the time. as well as Vegeta. and goten was able to go super before training with Gohan and the power of Warriors was stronger than call Kame / Piccolo at the time which would definitely buy Earth rules make it divine. TLDR: Being around a "God"can make you a little "Godly" overtime and z warriors were strong enough to be considered gods on the planet with their ki levels so high these children raised in this environment may naturally absorb some of the strength as well as their Heritage giving them a major Edge over pretty much every other character at this time and age.
I think Geekdom is on to some true facts on when Goku discovers ssj3 it really could've been as soon he was about go back to earth since he did told buu he didn't really practice ssj3 too much
i agree Goku did master Super Saiyan 3 after four years as when Goku first used it against Buu it was a relatively new form so makes sense he couldn't use it well
Great vid! Goku’s sssj1 transformation will always be the pinnacle of transformations in my opinion. In my head cannon though, I think these were all mutations and the Golden Great Ape was the real SSJ 1 and SSJ4 is the Real SSJ2.
I can’t believe I just sat though this for an hour without realizing it cause I of how much I enjoyed this lol. He started to sign off and I’m like whoa this can’t be over yet lol
Goku was the 1st in 1k yrs to go SS, he explained it best he could based on his personal situation same as kabba simply explaining what it's like for him.
5:05 Would not call it contradiction, things change & you can argue that at the time, they thought Super Saiyan came from a need, but as time passed and they learned more about the form, they realized it could be achieved differently, this happens all the time with many rare achievements in life. Impossible achievements become easy or easier to achieve once enough people learn how to do the once thought to be impossible achievements.
18:24 The term Ultra-Saiyajin is actually used in the official German dub (recorded in 2001/2002), so I guess the translator must have also followed that blog! 😉
Yep, S-cells are Toriyama's equivalent to midichlorians. I hate to say it but Toriyama's writing often takes weird left turns that dont seem to be very well thought out. It makes it difficult for me to take the details of his story seriously sometimes.
If that's interesting to you - in our TV's translation we didn't even have the proper race name. They were called Space Warriors. There was Super Space Warrior, Ultra Space Warrior (grade 3), Hyper Space Warrior (SSJ2) and Mega Space Warrior (SSJ3).
A lot of people hate it but the truth is that goku is the legendary super saiyan, not broly. Broly wasn't even thought up when goku turned super saiyan for the first time. Broly is an anomaly, a freak, but he is not the legendary super saiyan, goku is.
The line "The power comes from a need not a desire" was Goku understanding what Gohan needed. Everyone is different. Goku transformed from anger. Vegeta transformed from letting go of his desire but not a need. Gohan didn't like fighting so he needed the power so he could end a fight quickly. Gotten was just frustrated by getting his azz kicked by chi chi. Trunks is debatable cuz we never saw how he did it for the first time.
I believe (in my opinion) that Kid Trunks did it because he wanted to make Vegeta proud and the frustration of not being able to do it angered him until he finally hit that point.
Their potential are very similar. You can actually make a argument that Gohan has more potential given that he's younger then Broly and has similar feats.
@@sparking4630 Thats great but like you mentioned, Broly has no training discipline, so right now his potential is greatly hindered. He can't really push himself further without going berserk any losing control of himself. Gohan was able to make himself the "strongest warrior" with his Beast form, and received a much stronger power-up then what SSJ Broly did in his movie. Mind you, Gohan got this power up while only doing light training/a mid fight rage boost.
The reason why Goku didn't beat Buu is because he wanted his sons to do it. He said something along the lines of "The truth is I probably could've destroyed the fat majin Buu with super Saiyan 3. But I wanted Gohan and the boys to have their hand at saving the world."
Regarding The S Cell.. I feel it makes sense. keep in mind that S Cells can be inherited as well.. in my opinion I feel that it shows at the Saiayn could not achieve the transformation transformation because they were simply not worthy.. after the death of the original Super Saiyan God the Saiyan begun to embrace Wicked Culture. It seems that's before Goku destroyed the norm.. The Saiyans always seem to put too much stock on inherit potential and not the potential as a result of Training. Goku is most likely the Saiyan that was born with little to no potential in comparison to even a low-class Saiyan.. especially if he was born with a power of 2 and is official power level in the beginning of Dragon Ball is simply 10... Goku only survived because of being raised by Grandpa Gohan... Nature vs Nuture . But for him to be good or evil if you didn't bump his head it's another subject entirely. The reason why Goku is so strong is because of of his upbringing and Learning under several teachers. What helped allowed to Goku to destroy the expectations and Norm is Goku learning under several teachers... look at it look at Radtiz... he's the strongest member of Goku's biological family... despite all of that strength he possess... he is a coward and never bothered to push himself considering that he never Trained his Tail... despite being a middle-class/Elite Saiyan... this shows that Napa at the very least put some effort into training... but it probably wouldn't be fair considering that Nappa was already born to be strong enough to be a Middle class Saiyan. It seems that Saiyan Society that it's common for The Offspring of Saiyans to Rival or surpass their parents... Raditz was either born a Powerful Low Class and grew strong enough to be a middle-class Saiyan or He he was born with a power level that easily surpasses his father.. but never bothered to train... which is why he has the saiyan tail weakness. Goku already overcame the weakness of a saiyan tail being grabbed before the events of the 22nd Budokai tournament Goku at the time who is the weakest Saiyan overcame the tail weakness... through his own experience and training.. Goku's on dedication to self-improvement is the reason why he broke the norm
I think naturally Goku didn’t have enough S-Cells as a child to become a Super Saiyan. Even though he was peaceful, he probably still didn’t have enough thanks to probably generations of Saiyan ancestors with little to no(?) S-Cells. It would be sort of like a deficiency passed on through genetics.
You're really trying to be diplomatic here with "Cell could have beaten Trunks anyway". He'd have stomped him. Cell was still using his standby power against Grade 3 Trunks - he did two huge powerups after that. The first to fight Goku during the Cell Games, and the second against SSj2 Gohan. And it was only then that his full power was revealed, power which was at this point leagues higher than Grade 3 Trunks.
I think the constant recon of SSJ makes sense. Why would they truly understand it early on if Goku was the first to do it in thousands of years. So then finding a way to simplify the process over time makes sense
I have a headcanon about the super saiyan forms where the levels/grades of ssj are in fact the same thing, all because of how the second/ third ssj forms are presented
I had always figured that Bulma & Chichi were impregnated after Goku & Vegeta were already Super Saiyans around the time that Trunks & Goten were born.
There was a moment in super before the tournament with Universe 6 in which Goku and Vegeta had growth beards, it could be a good joke if we saw them use Super Saiyan like this
Transformations pretty much go beyond tropes at this point, as let's face it. People have used tropes to downplay a character's overall growth or generalize them into shouting matches. We've seen parodies that have a basic understanding of a Super Saiyan, but most of the time it's used as a subject for mockery. Tropes, when weaponized, become harmful and can actually harm the a series' concepts it can latch onto like a parasite and downplay the significance of that event in a story.
Goten 100% was conceived while Goku was SSJ, since he had mastered it and was in that form the whole time after leaving the Time Chamber. Trunks on the other hand, who knows. Vegeta wanting to show off and also being SSJ when conceiving?
It's funny cause I always thought "well both vegeta and Goku were super saiyan status before the conception of Goten and Trunks, so yeah it makes sense it would come more natural to them." Call it dumb, but I get it. Lol
I just watched the Gohan ssj2 scene in the Japanese version for the first time.... just wow...I do still prefer the dub scene of this but that was just amazing. It gave me a different feeling from the dub
Why not include Super Saiyan 4? It is also a classic transformation and made much more sense than the movie transformation and DB super god transformations.
Unless I missed something, I'm pretty sure it's just the classic _golden-haired_ Super Saiyan forms that are the main topic. "GT isn't canon" isn't a valid reason since the concept of canonicity doesn't matter to the _DB_ franchise or its creators in Japan.
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Remember when lots of kids tried to turn into a Super Saiyan?
I still see this shit today you don't gotta remember it if it still happens
I remember trying for so long as a young adult lmao
Tried?! You mean you didn’t succeed?
@@ashlad7532 alas I did not
Yeah I didn't make it 😭
I miss Dragon Ball Z Gohan. The build up to him becoming the most powerful hero in the universe was insanely good.
Him going 1 v 1 with Freeza on Namek is so great.
The transformations that are the hype of the franchise.
I'm all here for it.
100%, nothing hits harder than SSJ2
IM AM THE HYPE!!!!
IMO story building is Ssj2 preteen Gohan, the yelling moment is Ssj3 and design for me is Super Saiyan 4.
Yeah but all god transformation are dumb as shit and lame as fuck. Even the mui is 50/50 for me because white hair? Lmao I'd much rather prefer the fan art ssj5 of the old days than these trash forms
A lot of people in the community say we have too many transformations in the series but in reality most of the transformations are powered up variations of 1 form
Fssj
Ssj 1 grade 1
Ssj 1 grade 2
Ssj 1 grade 3
Ssj 1 grade 4
Ssj 2
(Potentially grades 1-4, potentially not)
Ssj 3
(Potentially grades 1-4, potentially not)
Ssjfp
Sajkk
PUssj
Gga (ssj+great ape/ga)
Ssj4
Ssj4fp
Ssj4fplb
Ssgss (ssj+god)
Ssr (ssgss but you’re a kai)
Ssr 2
Ssr 3
Ssrfp (ssr 3 but like a grade 4 version)
Ssrage (wonkey ass ssj)
Ssgsse (ssgss but evolved.?)
Ssgsskk 2-20
Rssj
Ssjfp (super broly’s green haired form)
Bssj (kales green haired form)
Cbssj
Bssj 2 (keflas green haired form)
Lssj (z broly’s green haired form)
Lssj 2
Lssj 3 (and what ever the hell Lgod is.)
Lgga
Lssj 4
Dlssj
Lssj 4fp
Lssj4fplb
Ss:ea (ssj with an evil aura)
Ssbb (ssgss but berserk)
Feel free to add to this I’m really done typing and looking up forms. You are absolutely right about majority of forms just being “super saiyan but..”
@@boneman9751 quick correction:SSJ2 and SSJ3 definetly don't have their own grades, since both of them are actually grades of the original SSJ, SSJ2 being grade V and SSJ3 being VI, they are probably named 2 and 3 because they look way more different when compared to SSJ Grade 1 than Grades 2-4
SSJFP and Grade 4 are the same thing too
@@diogod2347
I said potentially not definitely and FPSSJ is a different form from hero’s which is basically grade 4 but for ssj3. You can tell because it has the long hair but keeps the eyebrows. That’s also why i bring up there potentially being grades for 2 and 3. According to hero’s there’s a grade 4 for ssj3, therefore, it’s possible it exists for the other 2
Then just replace “transformations” with “variations” and you end up with the same problem 🤦🏻♂️
You know what people mean and you’re just using semantics to make a pointless argument.
I'm not using semantics because there is a difference between a transformation and a variation super saiyan and super saiyan god are transformations grade 2 and grade 3 are variations of ssj1 toriyama said it too
When geekdom drops a 1 hour transformation guide you know it’s boutta get real
He gotta make sure everyone’s the same page. The one with facts 👏🏻
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That thumbnail pic was my intro to both ssj 2 and 3. 11 year old me was captivated and stoked to witness such greatness.
For the SSJ Grade 2/3 lightning. I would say their’s was still yellow lightning while SSJ2’s lightning was blue. The clip you showed of SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta shooting his Final Flash for the first time showed yellow while the SSJ2 Gohan’s lightning was blue. Just a small critique though, the video is awesome, fantastic job!
You won the prize bro!! Also I agree with you
@@daron5197 mm
Came to comment to find this. I agree.
Man, I remember the 90s and going to the library to visit all the Dragonball websites that had power level guides, theories, and amazing artwork. The pinnacle of my DBZ love
"What is this? Some kind of Super Saiyan bargain sale?" *- Prince Vegeta*
"Now listen Here Prince of the sayins"-android 13
Super saiyan 3 is my favorite because of how menacing goku looks and his voice is just peak
The OG transformations forever the GOATS!
It’s great to see all of the Super Saiyan transformations explained by Geekdom!
Personally, I think it’s a generational thing. Like how Bardock and that generation of saiyans couldn’t do it, then Goku and Vegetas generation struggled to do it, and Gohans struggled but not like Goku, and then Goten and Trunks easily doing it. The universe 6 saiyans also easily doing it bc they evolved more than Goku and Vegeta. That would also explain why Broly didn’t change till he was an adult and how Paragus never even came close to SSJ.
Fun fact: Gohan Beast's appearance with the white hair and red eyes was supposed to be the original Super Saiyan form.
not exactly, the hair was not silver, but def whitish
Yeah i knew that but i wonder why they never implemented that i suppose gohan beast looks kind of demonic
@@Geekdom101 So Trunks was not stronger than his father because Vegeta could do ssj grade 3
@@lassanadrame6621 Pretty much.
@@gliizee ok so Vegeta>Trunks
Rip akira toryama
Thank you for the video, very nice omnibus.
The S-Cells is an interesting idea and it can explain things.
1) A specific quantity of S-Cells is required to transform into a Super Saiyan.
2) S-Cells can be increase from being in a peaceful environment (tranquillity) or training, increase in Ki levels.
3) S-Cells can be passed on through bloodlines.
The reason Goku never went Super Saiyan as a child even when Krillin died is because his S-Cell count was too low. Although he lived a peaceful environment he did not inherit many do the nature of the Saiyan race. However his training during the Freiza saga which increased his power to a level no other Saiyan had achieved increase his S-Cell count to a level in which Rage and the physical effects of Rage triggered the S-Cells.
With Goten and Trunks they had inherited high levels of S-Cells from their fathers and lived in a Peaceful environment and trained together. So their S-Cell level was at a count where they could transform without the physical effects of Rage.
Another thought is that the Saiyan Tail’s growth could be related to S-Cell count, that is why they stopped growing on Vegita and Gohan, and Trunks and Gohen were not born with them.
This could also be why Universe 6 Saiyans do not have them. Their way of life increased their S-Cell count so they stopped growing tails but they never had the triggering event for Super Saiyan.
Remember when super Saiyan meant something? Gohan ascension to ss2 was so mind blowing
great times
The Super Saiyan Bible.
I always thought that Vegeta was the coolest Super Saiyan.
You’re information in the most accurate on UA-cam, been following since 2016!!!
thanks!
You amaze me with how you can keep coming up with content, keep it up!
This vid is super sweet, bro. I'm checking out your other transformation guides. You rock.
You know how you know you're a Dragon Ball Z fan?
Pretend to turn Super Saiyan.
Saturday morning Geekdom drop let’s go! Always informative with the facts! Calling it, best transformation guide for Super Saiyan. This video is what the community needs! I’m being biased, but this was a lot of time and effort and I appreciate it. Will always have my support! Day 1 fan! 🙏
Back when transformations were earned not handed out left and right
Goten and trunks says hi
Sun wukong was a master of transformations. Natural that it was used in some form in dbz
The Super Saiyan Transformation may be the thing that Fans love about Dragon Ball, but this video really goes into exactly what makes them unique.
Geekdom i think Goten and Trunks also achieved that full powered Super saiyan form(Grade 4) as well. When i see the great saiyanman saga and buu saga i noticed that there are tons of scenes where Goten and Trunks are in super saiyan mode but still relaxed and the tone of hair is white. It makes sense since they don’t even take the form as serious and don’t seem to have a strain at all.
I hope the s-cells thing becomes something that matters in the story, like a science based villain making synthetic or stolen s-cells to make super saiyan level powerups via injection. Or, someone uses the s-cells to make a chemical weapon to kill the saiyans (universe 6 threat maybe)
dr gero already did that with cell
@freza980 no, that was a unique lifeforms that had all of the abilities and dna of the saiyans and frieza. I mean create an actual literal power up injection to mimic super saiyan, or a chemical weapon specifically to kill saiyans
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Well guess what, I lost my job, too a couple of weeks ago. But I would NEVER sink that low that I would have to lie to people in order to steal some money from them.....
But thats too good of a story to use. It breaks the formula
Or have frieza be apart of it some how. Maybe have him study sayain DNA. Im sure he keeps stuff like that in the medical records. Vegeta being a soldier there im sure visted a doctor at least once.
I really enjoyed and can see a higher production budget really turning this from good to great!
When is that video gona drop about what you said around 9:35 ?
My head canon for trunks and Goten so easily getting ssj was they just grew up around it, when you are around something so much it becomes normal. Making it much easier to do things people at one time found impossible.
Trunks sure. He was around his father who trained as a SSJ but Goten wasn't. Gohan never trained after his fight with Cell. So Goten wouldn't have been around someone who was SSJ.
@@CosmicGoku529 thus this guys argument fall apart
Fun fan theory about why the younger kids goten and trunks are stronger without getting emotional much quicker and reach Super Saiyan at very young ages:
Some people say that if you're around something Divine then you can take on that Divinity over time just by being near it. Perhaps this is how the ki Aura works for people with Saiyan heritage. For example not only being born of Goku and Vegeta and raised around them and the other saiyens that are older the kids absorb some of their Divine strengthor ki from the older warriors. Remember that at this time the younger boys did not go Super Saiyan until after Goku had died but were also around Gohan who was the strongest saiyen at the time. as well as Vegeta. and goten was able to go super before training with Gohan and the power of Warriors was stronger than call Kame / Piccolo at the time which would definitely buy Earth rules make it divine.
TLDR:
Being around a "God"can make you a little "Godly" overtime and z warriors were strong enough to be considered gods on the planet with their ki levels so high these children raised in this environment may naturally absorb some of the strength as well as their Heritage giving them a major Edge over pretty much every other character at this time and age.
I think Geekdom is on to some true facts on when Goku discovers ssj3 it really could've been as soon he was about go back to earth since he did told buu he didn't really practice ssj3 too much
Love This Video This is the best way to Learn what ALL Super Saiyan Forms Are IN DBZ Great Video.
i agree Goku did master Super Saiyan 3 after four years as when Goku first used it against Buu it was a relatively new form so makes sense he couldn't use it well
Great vid! Goku’s sssj1 transformation will always be the pinnacle of transformations in my opinion. In my head cannon though, I think these were all mutations and the Golden Great Ape was the real SSJ 1 and SSJ4 is the Real SSJ2.
Appreciate this long video. Helps me get through my night shift
I can’t believe I just sat though this for an hour without realizing it cause I of how much I enjoyed this lol. He started to sign off and I’m like whoa this can’t be over yet lol
@26:34 Taking us to DBZ church 🙏😇😁
Good stuff bro. Love it.
Like always thanks for the amazing content👌
The OG super Saiyan forms are so iconic but my absolute favorite is super Saiyan 3
It's nice to hear someone so knowledgeable about dbz talk. I know that's real basic but sometimes people talk trash and they just sound like bin juice
I can’t get over the Japanese music. For Z, I’ll be a Bruce faulconer Stan till the day I die.
P.s. I can only watch super in Japanese lol
Dude it really is super iconic I knew what a super saiyan was before I even knew what the dragon ball series was lol
Goku was the 1st in 1k yrs to go SS, he explained it best he could based on his personal situation same as kabba simply explaining what it's like for him.
How to become a Super Saiyan IRL:
Step 1: Eat food
Step 2: Avoid the bathroom for a few days.
Step 3: Finally go to the bathroom and shout.
Super Saiyan Grade 2 is my favorite.
Frieza had brought his greatest fear to life. Monkeys turning blonde. Lol
Now there’s “god” monkeys turning blue silver now purple lol
5:05 Would not call it contradiction, things change & you can argue that at the time, they thought Super Saiyan came from a need, but as time passed and they learned more about the form, they realized it could be achieved differently, this happens all the time with many rare achievements in life. Impossible achievements become easy or easier to achieve once enough people learn how to do the once thought to be impossible achievements.
For sure, good small critique. And even tho it’s only in the English dub, the “need not a desire” line is CLASSIC
18:24 The term Ultra-Saiyajin is actually used in the official German dub (recorded in 2001/2002), so I guess the translator must have also followed that blog! 😉
Hab das selbe gedacht
Yep, S-cells are Toriyama's equivalent to midichlorians. I hate to say it but Toriyama's writing often takes weird left turns that dont seem to be very well thought out. It makes it difficult for me to take the details of his story seriously sometimes.
If that's interesting to you - in our TV's translation we didn't even have the proper race name. They were called Space Warriors. There was Super Space Warrior, Ultra Space Warrior (grade 3), Hyper Space Warrior (SSJ2) and Mega Space Warrior (SSJ3).
A lot of people hate it but the truth is that goku is the legendary super saiyan, not broly.
Broly wasn't even thought up when goku turned super saiyan for the first time.
Broly is an anomaly, a freak, but he is not the legendary super saiyan, goku is.
Broly form is just berserk
That wasn't a bad vegeta impersonation and thank you for putting this together.
So hypothetically... If he had used instant transmission to take Buu to King Kai's planet like Cell, he could have probably defeated him with SSJ3?
The line "The power comes from a need not a desire" was Goku understanding what Gohan needed. Everyone is different. Goku transformed from anger. Vegeta transformed from letting go of his desire but not a need. Gohan didn't like fighting so he needed the power so he could end a fight quickly. Gotten was just frustrated by getting his azz kicked by chi chi. Trunks is debatable cuz we never saw how he did it for the first time.
I believe (in my opinion) that Kid Trunks did it because he wanted to make Vegeta proud and the frustration of not being able to do it angered him until he finally hit that point.
Trunks turned supersaiyan upon the death of Gohan who was his master at the time. There is a movie for it “History of Trunks” I think.
DRAGON BALL HEROES AND/OR "NON-CANNON" TRANSFORMATIONS GUIDE PLEASE this was 10/10 so why not put all Dragon Ball forms together.
Imagine if Gohan had Broly's potential.
Their potential are very similar. You can actually make a argument that Gohan has more potential given that he's younger then Broly and has similar feats.
I mean it got one transformation and went from ssb level to mui level so I say Gohan potential is greater
@@chewezx1767 broly stepped on all goku/vegeta forms and only lost to gogeta, he never trained properly so how can you use that argument
@@sparking4630 Thats great but like you mentioned, Broly has no training discipline, so right now his potential is greatly hindered. He can't really push himself further without going berserk any losing control of himself.
Gohan was able to make himself the "strongest warrior" with his Beast form, and received a much stronger power-up then what SSJ Broly did in his movie. Mind you, Gohan got this power up while only doing light training/a mid fight rage boost.
I think he already have more potential
You see Frieza, I'm not the average Saiyan warrior anymore
The reason why Goku didn't beat Buu is because he wanted his sons to do it. He said something along the lines of "The truth is I probably could've destroyed the fat majin Buu with super Saiyan 3. But I wanted Gohan and the boys to have their hand at saving the world."
OMG 😂 I love the video but popped like a mark for the Beverly Hills Cop reference in the end! Keep it up 👍🏼
Nice video Geek!
Regarding The S Cell.. I feel it makes sense. keep in mind that S Cells can be inherited as well.. in my opinion I feel that it shows at the Saiayn could not achieve the transformation transformation because they were simply not worthy.. after the death of the original Super Saiyan God the Saiyan begun to embrace Wicked Culture.
It seems that's before Goku destroyed the norm.. The Saiyans always seem to put too much stock on inherit potential and not the potential as a result of Training.
Goku is most likely the Saiyan that was born with little to no potential in comparison to even a low-class Saiyan.. especially if he was born with a power of 2 and is official power level in the beginning of Dragon Ball is simply 10... Goku only survived because of being raised by Grandpa Gohan... Nature vs Nuture . But for him to be good or evil if you didn't bump his head it's another subject entirely.
The reason why Goku is so strong is because of of his upbringing and Learning under several teachers.
What helped allowed to Goku to destroy the expectations and Norm is Goku learning under several teachers... look at it look at Radtiz... he's the strongest member of Goku's biological family... despite all of that strength he possess... he is a coward and never bothered to push himself considering that he never Trained his Tail... despite being a middle-class/Elite Saiyan... this shows that Napa at the very least put some effort into training... but it probably wouldn't be fair considering that Nappa was already born to be strong enough to be a Middle class Saiyan.
It seems that Saiyan Society that it's common for The Offspring of Saiyans to Rival or surpass their parents... Raditz was either born a Powerful Low Class and grew strong enough to be a middle-class Saiyan or He he was born with a power level that easily surpasses his father.. but never bothered to train... which is why he has the saiyan tail weakness.
Goku already overcame the weakness of a saiyan tail being grabbed before the events of the 22nd Budokai tournament
Goku at the time who is the weakest Saiyan overcame the tail weakness... through his own experience and training.. Goku's on dedication to self-improvement is the reason why he broke the norm
Bardock was the strongest of gokus family at the time, near 10,000 radits was 1300- 1400 😂
We all love each software update to Super Saiyan
I think naturally Goku didn’t have enough S-Cells as a child to become a Super Saiyan. Even though he was peaceful, he probably still didn’t have enough thanks to probably generations of Saiyan ancestors with little to no(?) S-Cells. It would be sort of like a deficiency passed on through genetics.
Bro uploaded a video about super saiyans while I'm working now that's a W 😎👌🏾
Super Saiyan Bargain Sale was one of my favorite Parallel Quests in DBXV2
You're really trying to be diplomatic here with "Cell could have beaten Trunks anyway". He'd have stomped him. Cell was still using his standby power against Grade 3 Trunks - he did two huge powerups after that. The first to fight Goku during the Cell Games, and the second against SSj2 Gohan. And it was only then that his full power was revealed, power which was at this point leagues higher than Grade 3 Trunks.
Awesome video sir and you explained every form nicely❤️
🙌🏽🙌🏽💯great intuitive video bro 🤙🏽
Nice Super Semen lol !
We could just say "it's in their DNA now" instead ?
Great video !
what type of strain would ss3 + kaio-ken be on a body?
Super Death
@@elpopman2055 fr super suicide lol
I love these guide videos btw. I miss getting them in my feed, though I understand theres only so many guides you can make.
I think the constant recon of SSJ makes sense. Why would they truly understand it early on if Goku was the first to do it in thousands of years. So then finding a way to simplify the process over time makes sense
"In for a penny, in for a pounding...and BOY was I.." - Bulma
Truly enjoyed this video Geek...🤓
Truly awesome 👌 👏 👍
What about the Super Saiyan 100 with hair covering the entire screen?
That's on the NEXT episode of Dragon BALL ZZZZzzzzzz
Thank you for all your hard work on this video. It's very informative and enjoyable.
I have a headcanon about the super saiyan forms where the levels/grades of ssj are in fact the same thing, all because of how the second/ third ssj forms are presented
did anyone catch what the SSJ Grade 2 and 3 were and were not officially called? I didn't catch it.
How do you find these color mangas?
@6:56 vageta gos ultra ego for a brief sec back in the old cartoon.... wow while he's powering up check it out guys lol
ultra ego didnt even exist yet there was no concept it was never thought of
I hope he will explain super saiyan 5 from dragon ball af bc the explanation in the fan manga for the form was done really well
Fuck yes, I love the whole DBZ Omnibus idea. I'm here for everything you post brotha
I had always figured that Bulma & Chichi were impregnated after Goku & Vegeta were already Super Saiyans around the time that Trunks & Goten were born.
I wonder what would’ve happened if Gohan and Vegeta trained together during that 7 year skip
Gohan would've been a ssj God probably
Wouldn’t it be funny to see a version of super saiyan with beards 😂
Great video as always Geekdom!! ❤
There was a moment in super before the tournament with Universe 6 in which Goku and Vegeta had growth beards, it could be a good joke if we saw them use Super Saiyan like this
Hey a good day geekdom, I'm sick this is helping
Teen Gohan SSJ2 is the peak of DBZ
Is this just a compilation of past videos you’ve uploaded
U should do a Super guide for the Saiyan transformations
Love this video!!
Transformations pretty much go beyond tropes at this point, as let's face it. People have used tropes to downplay a character's overall growth or generalize them into shouting matches. We've seen parodies that have a basic understanding of a Super Saiyan, but most of the time it's used as a subject for mockery. Tropes, when weaponized, become harmful and can actually harm the a series' concepts it can latch onto like a parasite and downplay the significance of that event in a story.
And of course, Super Saiyan 3 tends to go even FURTHER BEYOND. CELL SHOULD GET READY FOR SUPER VEGETA'S BIG BANG ATTACK!
Goten 100% was conceived while Goku was SSJ, since he had mastered it and was in that form the whole time after leaving the Time Chamber. Trunks on the other hand, who knows. Vegeta wanting to show off and also being SSJ when conceiving?
It's funny cause I always thought "well both vegeta and Goku were super saiyan status before the conception of Goten and Trunks, so yeah it makes sense it would come more natural to them." Call it dumb, but I get it. Lol
Just like Vegeta, I don’t ever wanna be caught with a banana in the tail pipe lmao.
I just watched the Gohan ssj2 scene in the Japanese version for the first time.... just wow...I do still prefer the dub scene of this but that was just amazing. It gave me a different feeling from the dub
Why not include Super Saiyan 4? It is also a classic transformation and made much more sense than the movie transformation and DB super god transformations.
Because GT isn't canon
Unless I missed something, I'm pretty sure it's just the classic _golden-haired_ Super Saiyan forms that are the main topic. "GT isn't canon" isn't a valid reason since the concept of canonicity doesn't matter to the _DB_ franchise or its creators in Japan.