Still Slow and Pricey! Here's why New Subaru BRZ wouldn't be my first choice over competitors.
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- New Subaru BRZ promises a lot but delivers little.
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Would you buy the BRZ over a Mustang Ecoboost?
Weight and nimbleness. I did autocross runs of my BRZ back to back with a GT350. That car was amazing but I enjoyed the chuckable nature of the BRZ. My BRZ went out the dealership door at $29k U.S. I am 6’1” and have no issue. For autocross, the BRZ was the best bang for the buck.
I get it, you don't like the BRZ. Enlighten me, what do you drive?
What kind of question is that? BRZ every time.
@@a.jennings4664 a new car every week, or sometimes 3 new cars every week 😎
Yes. Something don't sit right with me buying a Mustang, or a Camaro, and not the V8 versions. At least for me.
Lol I'm cracking up at how this video went from a BRZ review, to a Mustang Eco Boost advertisement 😁
Not just Ecoboost, new Z base, GTI, Civic Si, used Mustang GT, maybe old brz, MX5 and Elantra N manual etc 🥰
@@SamCarLegion even a GLI manual I would pick over the BRZ
@@SamCarLegion Dont you dare to say the new base Z model. That car DOES NOT have a LSD in it. Why the fk would I get that model? To show people that I have nice car with 400hp that I can't put on the ground? What a joke.
@@SamCarLegion shit take after shit take Z is 40k way more at a dealer gti fwd also dealer markups, SI as well and it’s slower Elantra N is a Hyundai enjoy your 100k miles before engine replacement and the brz is just better than the Miata outside of not being convertible
@@SamCarLegion its still faster than the Civic SI and Miata. Also every SXT.
mustang vs the brz? 2 Totally different cars aimed at very different aspects of driving... one has power and is a great cruiser , practical , and would be killer for trips.... The other has never been about strait line performance ,its all about the road feel, steering, cornering and light ,flickable weight... each has its niche and each does well IN their respective arena...
yeah agree I dont get why they are compared xd
@@niemalswieder1673 because they are both sporty cars and people spending money on these ought to compare against other cars in the market. Believe it or not, they aren't so unalike. Both companies sought out to make something fun and enjoyable to their customers; they just go about it different ways.
@iluvcakes19 Well fair enough I guess. But I still think that the target audience is still too different, obviously you can compare then when it Just comes to Price. But they vary to much with what they offer individually imo.
Agreed. The only reason Ford made an Ecoboost version of the Stang was to appeal to Europeans getting Mustangs in Ford Dealerships for the first time. Guess what? Early on the GT outsold the Ecoboost in most European markets...doh!🙈
I agree when you're just talking about power and space the American cars are good bang for your dollar but these are 2 different vehicles the only one I could compare this to is miata and even then miata is convertible and you're right these cars are more for track not really straight line but even with all that being said faster stock with some space and some heated/leather or nice design is preferably what most people are going to use for comparison
I'm going to buy one, but I appreciate the honest review.
But I highly doubt people considering the brz would be interested in a mustang
I would agree. A different punter. I’ve driven both and nothing would make me buy the Ecoboost Mustang (I’d only buy it as a V8). The new Toybaru is a really nice sports car. No Mustang is what I’d call a sports car. Too big and too heavy.
@@richardhoulton4016 yeah i usually call them muscle cars to differentiate them. They have their purpose, but it's a very different purpose than the brz.
The BRZ/GR 86 are fantastic...you wont regret it unless you highly value a hushed quiet cabin for long road trips. Having said that, these things are so satisfying to drive that may not matter too much when the road turns twisty.
@@jbm0866 I'm upgrading from an fr-s , so I'm assuming the cabin noise is comparable
@@davey9090 to me the GR 86 was noticeably quieter when not acclerating, (just cruising at 70mph) but it has the stock exhaust whereas my buddy put a Borla catback on his old FRS. The cabin of the GR 86 seems a lot nicer vs the FRS, but that could be the newness. Unfortunately my friend sold the FRS a few years back, otherwise I'd love to drive them back to back to get a much clearer feel for the differences. What IS noticeable right away is the much better torque of the new engine. That alone is worth the upgrade imo.
It's like comparing a Miata to a Camaro. People who buy BRZ/GR 86 want a very light and nimble car. They are not worried about straight line performance.
It's clear from this video that Sam doesn't appreciate the handling, balance or cornering ability of cars. Does he even know how to put down a competitive lap time around TMP Cayuga?
I want to see him come out to an open track day or attend any OTA time attack event and show me how the Ecoboost Mustang (or equivalent) is a better purchase.
comparisons are fine but his take on the worth of the GR86/BRZ is way off base, he wants to put these cars in the same class as FWD econobox appliance cars - also rambles on about being bothered by the fact that the 2nd gen costs more than the 1st gen. lol.
I have a 16 camaro ss and am in the market for a miata. What does that make me lol
Appreciate handling?? You guys make this car to be a Ferrari around corners 😂. Please go out there and try other cars. It just shows how good these cars are, especially with deepdish wheels and scraping asphalts
@@SamCarLegion what's funny is the 6th gen camaro ss puts up better lap times than the miata at just about every track. The only area I can see a miata accel is autocross. People love tracking miatas because it's user friendly, fun and cheap to mod NOT because it's superior in handling. There's just less margin for error in a camaro and they cost a lot more to mod. That's exactly why I want both lol
sounds like a car review my dad would make: and he doesn’t know shit about cars
Sounds like a comment my grandma would type and she can’t use smartphones or watch youtube
after driving my dads 2014 V6 many times, and owning a manual 2023 brz for a month, I can confidently say I wouldnt trade my car in for a brand new 2022 ecoboost, or even a used 2022 GT. I am more than happy with the BRZ, it hit the mark in every aspect I needed it to.
I was like you where I disliked the BRZ/86 because it was slower than the V6 Camry but the soul of the 86 isn’t about straight line performance. The 86 is exactly what people mean when they say “slow car fast” it’s meant to go around a track.
There are plenty of videos on UA-cam where the 86 loses in a straight line but then beats that same car around a track. It’s a platform built to remind people of the original 86 that was cruising through the mountains in Japan.
I would never buy one but after a few years I finally understand .
The main reason it’s NA instead of turbo charged is they wouldn’t sell any Supras. Why spend $60k + when you can get a similar package for $40k
Nobody gets a gt86 for straight line speed.
Should be door to door with v6 Camry. Both low 14 second cars. Not sure why everyone thinks they still run 15's
Why spend $40k? That opens up a lot of other options.
Every track time I see of a brz is near dead last. What track does it excel at?
I had a 1991 CRX automatic. The previous owner put loud exhaust (no cats.) and intake. Maybe 90hp at the crank. That has been the most fun I have had in any car I have owned.
It’s a solid and fair review from a non fan. FR-S was not for everyone and this GR86 generation improves on everything that the “fans” wanted,, that said, it doesn’t win anyone new over.
One thing he missed is why people revere this car. The handling and fun factor is very high.
The new model looks boring though. The old model looked good
These are the types of complaints made by people that only know how to drive in a straight line. The entire concept of a lightweight sports car seems to be lost. The mustang is a boat that handles like shit. The elantra is a FWD sedan that is not even moderately similar. The only real competition its the MX5, which the BRZ beats in every measurable way except weight. But factor in the back seats and slightly added function and that makes sense. As an owner of the 22 BRZ I will admit that in normal street driving conditions it feels about average and could use some more power. Put it on a race track (not a straight line, a real race track) and the car will destroy most cars you can think of, even at much higher price tags. I will be adding a supercharger when they are available and for under $40k nothing will touch the car for power\weight ratio.
e46 m3 boom actually usable rear seats and adds the much needed liter of displacement
@@avery4528 and its old
@@boost331 And it has hydraulic steering, a higher redline, nicer materials, and a higher retainment of value. The GR86 and BRZ are sport values for those thinking of 2.0 liter economy cars from the Japanese. I would've gotten an E46 M3 and a used Japanese 3.5L V6 SUV for my money.
@@boost331 there is something to be said if you are going to be the first owner for a very long time. Kids will be able to sit in the front passenger seat and the rear passenger seat no problem, you will be able to put 10,000 miles on it every year like clockwork, and you will be able to maintain it yourself easily, it's the right purchase if you have to go new to consider modern safety and want to keep the car for a very long time. It's not a monster of a car but it's the most sensible sports car on the market. If you love the car you're set but I'd take an older more upmarket vehicle
This wasn’t a track review
I could hear the "woosh" from here. You completely missed the point of the car - which is that it _isn't_ a larger, heavier, more isolating, more useful, more complex car. I say that as someone who will be happily trading my M240i for one in a few months, now that I've finally realized that power and fat do not bring happiness.
The test drive took me back to the cars that made me an enthusiast in the first place - MGB, '87 924S, NA Miata, 986 Boxster S. It's exactly what I've been missing, and the torque curve is far better than the outgoing model, which I've also driven and rejected for that very issue. I had to lol at even considering any Mustang over this little gem.
This isn’t a track review, more so a package.
I'm actually cross shopping it with a used M240i. Would you say that the BMW was more boring to drive despite the power/handling it has? I'd be using either one as a daily driver so that's why I'm leaning toyota (for reliability + low maintenance, but I do think the BMW gets better mpg) but I have that itch of contemplating getting a higher caliber car for a few more grand.
@@GB-np4pi Prior to the M240i, I had a 228i M sport rwd, which was a blast. It felt light and frantic and high strung, in a good way. Just driving around town was fun. I figured I couldn't lose with the same chassis and more powerful engine, but honestly it was a step down because of the 300+ pound weight gain. It's an xdrive, so that might be part of the problem - all the extra weight up front in addition to the engine. Yes, it's boring. Great commuter, sticks like glue in the corners, thrilling for the 5 seconds it takes to get to very illegal speeds in a straight. But it just feels heavy ALL the time, and I only average 23mpg (all city) when I drive like a grandma. Less than 200 miles to a tank if I thrash it, but thrashing it isn't fun like it was in the 228i. I had the base brakes on the 228i (no track handling package), and the first time I had to do an emergency stop in the M240 with M brakes, I was appalled at how inferior it was to the 228. I haven't driven a rwd M240, would like to try it - maybe turn-in would be better. There are some things about the BMW that I'll miss, like the seats and steering wheel, which are amazing. If I were to buy another 2-series, it would probably be a previous gen 230i rwd manual.
@@ribbles1699 I see. I had a 435i M sport for about 2 years before my current car. But even that car I would call a bit boring to drive and hoped the better power/handling of an M240i would be a significant enough change to go back to BMW. To be fair, I was never one to really thrash or drive my car hard but part of that came from my fear of overdoing it and having to face costly repairs of bmw. I appreciate your response though, and I think an 86/brz might be better suited for me and will allow me to fully enjoy driving a car like its meant to be driven
I haven’t watched the video yet… but “still slow and pricey” seems like harsh words for one of the most affordable and pure RWD cars you can buy. I drove the GR 86. It’s certainly not slow (0-60 under 6 seconds on fairly moderate launches) and definitely not pricey if you stick the the very well equipped base models. My initial impression is that you’re wrong Sam, but I’ll keep watching to see.
Not the most affordable pure cars you can buy.
I agree with Sam Honestly the car is expensive so damn slow, a 3.0t q50 worth less than this car and would smoke it on a dig or roll. With my 3.0t q50 can go 4.8/4.9 sec.
@@keithjay4944 new?
@@keithjay4944 idk where you live at but a NEW q50 is 42k (2019)
@@abelcervantes6169 I got mine for 26k and had 28k mileage. But it was when Covid started so everything was really cheap chevron gas was about $3.0 a gallon now is damn $7 lol
you're really hung up on the $600 more thing, lol. I have to say I haven't heard that line of argument yet...it's a new MY car, they usually increase in price every year, no? So you think it should be priced at 24K? Like an econo FWD appliance car? Weird, lost me there. These are basically limited production bespoke cars, Toyota/Subaru aren't making money on these, you're getting a RWD 228 HP car for base 28K, 0-60 in 6.1 sec that handles like a friggin go kart, has a back seat that folds down for usable space. I don't get this take.
Everyday of the week id take a BRZ/GR86 over a Mustang. Id take a slower car with better handling, chassis, and weight distribution than a quicker mustang with decent handling. 205-210+ whp stock is more than enough for a lightweight car. Id rather feel connected in hard corners with enough power to get through them easily. If I wanted a faster hp car with more comfort I would get the Mustang or a different car.
The Mustang is going to have better creature comforts and faster in a straight line, so it is a better daily for most people. I personally enjoy what the BRZ/GR offers 100% more and makes a better daily than the Mustang, for me. Just two great cars with different focuses.
You completely missed the purpose of this car: a barebone traditional affordable sports car. It absolutely doesn’t need a turbo. A Ford Mustang nor a Mazda (maybe Miata) will never give the same experience. How much is Ford paying you for this video?
2 million dollars 😎
Definitely needs 300hp, however they make it, and better tires. Only reason the car can squeal tires or drift isn’t from power to weight ratio, its due to lack of traction from those little tires to make it feel powerful lol.
@@troyt5309 Sure buddy, spend more money if you want more power and less control/balance.
@@harris7963 there are many cars with more control and balance with much more power than a BRZ, and yes they cost much more as well 😉
Sam Carlegion loves his drag races. The new $39K 400hp Nissan Z and Honda Civic Type R might be more his style and speed
Z for 40k 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
The Mustang is a fat pig compared to the BRZ. Not to mention getting down into the weeds of features like the Mustang not coming with a limited slip diff without the performance package, etc. Totally different cars, it's like wondering why an Elise is so expensive. Whining about it being loud is missing the point, it's easy to add power, very hard to add LIGHTNESS, FFS the even removed the metal from the front inner fenders, instead relying on the plastic fender liners to keep crap out of the engine bay!
Also, anyone that says it would be better with a turbo doesn't drive hard enough. Driving on the edge, an NA (or supercharged) motor is far easier to deal with. Transient lag from a turbo just ruins the car, that's why you see so many people get rid of them after throwing a turbo on them. Once they're tunable, I'm sure an UEL header and E85 will wake them up plenty.
Mustang HPP has all the bells and whistles for a track experience. You should test one :)
Different strokes for different folks.
I think the person who would get the most value out of this car is the person who enjoys taking onramps and sees sidewalks on intersections as apexes.
This car’s value is in its chassis. And bringing it to 330+hp will soon be possible with a simple compressor install. Bringing a 3700lb car to 2900lb and keeping it road legal is, in my knowledge, close to impossible
Yeah, not sure about this review and for me you totally missed the mark. 6'3 here and love the way the car accommodates my height compared to its equivalents (as well as Golf's, M2's etc). -Most- people absolutely do not tune the hell out of these or engine swap. Not sure if that's confirmation bias or just exaggeration, but have a look at any car sales website; most are stock or lightly tuned. Also it's pretty funny watching you trying to derive excitement from straight line acceleration. It's a driver's car meant for twisty roads and limit driving on the track. Some things you will get over the impressive Ecoboost: handling, engagement, manual purity, fun, reliability. The reason it's not totally different from the previous gen (you know the multi car of the year awarded vehicle), is that they really didn't have to address much besides the torque dip and tech. Why doesn't it have a turbo? Because the Supra exists and they don't want this to cost $5k-$10k more. Why get a BRZ when you could get a used Mustang V8? Why get a GT when you could get a used M3. Why get a M3 when you could get a used 911. Man, you have a decent channel, but this review is so weird as the last half is just factually inept.
Totally agree with you, well said!
Sold my 2019 BRZ for a 2021 3.0 Supra. Although, I love the Supra I miss the BRZ everyday
Congrats on missing the entire point of the car..
Please enlighten me
What’s the point of the car?
@@SamCarLegion simple, as seen on your channel you value straight line performance well above any other characteristic a car has (as you mentioned on the is500 vs stinger video).
By the clickbait title here calling the BRZ “Still slow” and then comparing it to a freaking Ecoboost Mustang (out of all the possible cars to compare it with), you proved that you quite literally missed the entire reason of the BRZ’s existence.
@@SamCarLegion side point to clear things up on the first point I made: he Stinger is a nice ride though Kia has definitely stepped its game up massively, but at the end of the day if you really like driving there is no way a stinger can stack up to the is500.
@@augustortiz I don’t think I value “just straight-line performance” - I am talking about value this car gives. For the money, the options are much better. So again, what makes this better? If 0-60 isn’t the one :)
Sam, I like your channel and owned a current gen Stang GT and drove the GR86. I found both thrilling, the GT has a lovely engine and smooth power with lovely handling in sweepers, but the GR just had sweeter steering and felt a lot lighter, felt like a GT shrunk by 30% and agile on tight turns (brakes were crap though). Both cars are great, but different focus. My issue with Elantra N is long term durability (vs the Msutang or the twins).
Great feedback
@@SamCarLegion I'm also 5 10 so fit in the GR perfectly. Lol. One of the advantages of being under 6 ft is sports cars (esp w helmet) and economy class. Lol
@@sunnyvalentino I am 6.2 you can actually see how tiny the car is for me
It's N/A, flooring it at 3k rpm isn't gonna do much. The engine pulls pretty good from 5500-7k. Gotta rev it that's part of the fun over a turbo 1.5 that falls on it's face up top.
Also look up some specs. These cars now run low 14's high 13's which is rite inline with cars that are considered much faster apparently. Just gotta keep the revs up
This isn’t a track review
@SamCarLegion duh. It's a weak review. You need to learn how to drive man. You can't even heel/toe or match revs. Pretty sad.
I have ordered this exact car/colour/trans.
All the tests I have seen , totally disagree with your new v old comparison.
In Australia a second hand Mustang is $15k+
and a new one $30k+ over a new BRZ.
That's the 5.0.
You don't buy a car made in the USA unless it has the V8.
I don't care what the HP figures say, you just don't go there.
As for room, infotainment and all that other BS?
It's a sports car, rear wheel drive, balanced, light and a
design with these pure concepts in mind.
Not a drag car, people mover or front wheel drive "practical" hatchback.
The BRZ is like a healthy, athletic, petite, Japanese super model and
a Mustang is like a Tattooed ,Coke guzzling, donut munching,
overweight American pole dancer with bolt ons.
Now, I know which one I would prefer to drive hard!😉
I have no doubt I will be happy with my choice.
I had this first gen and now elantra N both manual. Have to say its a mega difference power wise.
Thanks for such an honest review! There's a couple other things besides HP/speed and practicality that keep me from being fully onboard with this car. It's louder than a jet plane at speeds over 70 and It's infotainment looks like an old Atari. It is a great weekend car for sure, but I can't imagine it as a daily driver.
Yeah road noise not good
I actually can have a say in this because I've crossed shopped and test drove all these different vehicles.
Last year I was trading in my 2008 Mazda MX-5 Miata GT. And I actually drove the BRZ first then the EcoBoost mustang. I think here in Canada the pricing is huge. First is insurance cost, here in BC at least to drive the mustang EcoBoost cost $1000 dollars per year more than the BRZ. Second the lease rates for ford is about 5.49 was their lowest, while the brz offered me 1.9 percent no brainer. Then is the interior, to get around the same price as my brz sport tech model, the mustang doesn't even offer a touch screen, the dials look old, and the stick shift feels really heavy compare to the brz. While I really like the power and the space of the mustang, the brz just feels a lot like my mx5, with more comfortable seats, more room and I did squeeze my friends back in there at a pinch, best part is it can fit in my short garage where the mustang is too big. For me at least when I compared the two cars MSRP the mustang is about $2000 more than the BRZ. But to get it similarly equipped with the 100A package, the insurance, the lease rates, it would've costed me another 8 thousand dollars. Plus the parts for wheels and tires are a lot cheaper on the brz. So no they're not in the same price bracket, the mustang cost a lot more to own over the course of 3 years.
How has the BRZ held up?
So as an American leaving the world of Ford, wrong. I'm buying a 2022 BRZ after almost 15 years of ford over 3 different models. I want reliability, Ford is really slipping when it comes to quality with constant choices in changing rather than refining. I want nimble quick, gas efficient (compared) over a v8 which is what I'm currently leaving. I've heard nothing but bad things about new Fords. Exact opposite from Subaru currently. They are working with Toyota, and they are still leading name in market resale value and reliably. I'm gonna love this sports car for years and sell it for far more than the Mustang. Not to mention I hear horror stories about Ford warranty and getting them to have time or willingness to fix problems. Again exact opposite from Subaru. And no I live in Colorado my BRZ will have heated seats and I appreciate that fact, your assuming I live in a warmer climate, or that this won't be a daily.
Dude - who buffed your hood with steel wool?
I think you hit your point pretty well. Objectively, it does not offer much above (and in many areas it’s offers less than) similarly priced vehicles. That’s undeniable.
Equally undeniable, by reading the comments below, is the appeal it has to certain drivers, myself included.
The mustang here in Australia is 50% more expensive so definitely not a competitor here at $20,000au more.
I love your channel man BUT you would choose an IS500? lol the slowest sedan with that much power you can buy by a long shot and it's slower than the much less powerful cars it's priced against. The BRZ costs less than 30k it's performance is fine for it's price the Civic Si basically is about the same price and goes to 60 over a second slower
That’s why I sold the IS500 after two months lol
First off I have a 2023 limited red 6mt brz coming in october... Havent driven one yet and 500$ refundable no obligation to buy I cant beat. The only other vehicle I was trying to compare with is a challenger 6mt r/t 5.7l hemi. I have a 2009 300c 5.7l eagle hemi I have drove for over 100k and have replaced a lot of the parts myself very easy to work on and very reliable other than 20mpg average. I have also owned a 350z as well which at one point I had the 300c and 350z in my garage which was a great pair to have.
Gas mileage of the rt would be 19-25 but can use 87octane and I drive 90% hwy daily to work...big comfy...v8 noise but what people fail to look at is maintenance cost and consumables, tires, brakes, rotors and with all the weight/torque tires/brakes take a beating.
The brz have reported 27+ mpg on the highway but takes premium fuel only and where I live is +1.00$ on average over 87 but the differential cost is substantially mitigated in mpg/cost vs hemi.
Tires are cheaper and Im sure brakes last a lot longer within reason due too its low weight.
This guy mentioned a mustang...they get well under 20mpg and for 30-35grand your getting one with 30-60k miles already on it. The hemi reliability is proven the 2.4l boxer is questionable. My 300c has almost 200k and minimal repairs needed I wouldnt doubt it wouldnt make it another 50k before engine or trans quits.
Its a toss up honestly for me...Ill have to drive it and see.
Nice camera work! I knew this wasn't a “fast” car but that wasn’t my goal. A lot of things are fast these days. I skipped on the upgraded model as it didn’t offer me much that I wanted. I like you but do think you missed the point of the BRZ.
Every brz fan boy says the same thing lol. I love the styling of the brz and I would buy one in a heartbeat. The only issue is it's WAY too expensive for what it is. You can get so many other cars that are better looking and perform way better for the same price or less.
Explain to me what is the point? I might be wrong
@@SamCarLegion I was like you where I disliked the BRZ/86 because it was slower than the V6 Camry but the soul of the 86 isn’t about straight line performance. The 86 is exactly what people mean when they say “slow car fast” it’s meant to go around a track.
There are plenty of videos on UA-cam where the 86 loses in a straight line but then beats that same car around a track. It’s a platform built to remind people of the original 86 that was cruising through the mountains in Japan.
I would never buy one but after a few years I finally understand .
@@01gtbdaily30 Mustang Ecoboost is great around the track, a used GT same, an Elantra N, Golf Gti, all of which offer more space. Let’s be honest most of these barely go around the track. People buy them to lower them for shows. I have seen most of them scraping the asphalts rather than beating times. Forgot, the MX-5 would be my toy as well.
Love Sam's channel but, turbo cars can feel pretty numb, you also need the right roads for this kind of setup. Where I'm at, lots of twisty parkways with inclines and declines at varying degrees. Maximum speed limit is around 65mph, and that's rare . I can drive the hell out of this car and still blend right in.. LOL
Hey, I understand some people appreciate the 2.4 l NA no issue, it’s the price for me.
Cool, thanks for all you do Sam ..
Pricey? They max out at like 30 grand… thats barely more expensive than your run of the mill civic or corolla
36k Canadian
I’ve test driven the Mustang but bought the 2022 BRZ, absolutely no comparison !! BRZ a hands down winner!!
I'm watching the last test, it was done by him, he doesn't know anything about cars, maybe I'll become a barber😂
I wish modern car company's would make a "electronic Manuel" that doesn't require a clutch to shift but you still have your shift box that you use like I normal stick but it's a instant change, only reason I'm bringing it up is because I have a fubared left leg and I miss driving a stick shift so much but I'd like to still have the stick experience minis the clutch, it'd be nice if they considered people with disabilities
You tried a dsg? The golf r or GTI dsg is pretty amazing, downshifts instantly and you can upshift at redline…
Is this 2 door sports coupe worthy of 300HP? If "YES", could you please explain and if "No", could you please elaborate.
Mustang starts at 27,470
GR86 at 27,900
And BRZ at 28,595
I dont know why there is a price premium for the BRZ over the GR86, but between the Toyota and Ford price difference is only 430 USD.
Its a nice car but gooood lord they are slow
Yep
Thank you 🙏
If you have to ask "what is the point of a naturally aspirated engine?" in a car like this, you probably shouldn't be reviewing cars.
... what was the concern with the gearbox :P ... was it too loose?
No it was a long shifter instead of a short shifter.
Getting different perspectives is good, but this is literally the only review of this car that I've seen which complains about the new engine. In terms of credibility, he doesn't do himself any favors when he complains about the size, goes overboard and says "maybe if you are 5'5"," then closes with, "I'd get a Miata." (A car which is even smaller, has even less space and zero back seat) Also tossing out critiques like, "this isn't a sports car?" I don't know, it kind of feels like he was working extra hard to be the only negative BRZ review on UA-cam. (Also, maybe it was sloppy editing, but Subaru's EyeSight system and paddle shifters are only available on cars optioned with the automatic transmissions)
Hey, I understand people don't like the truth, especially hard core fans of the BRZ.
Pricy?
There’s a lot of mustangs, nobody cares to take a second look, the gr86/brz they’ll only be sold for a few years and it’s something different and not something you see everyday
If you wanted to win drag races, you've made a 30k Mistake.
The 86 belongs in the corners.
But there are cars that can do both very well, just not at $30,000, depends on how much you want to pay to play.
@@troyt5309 I agree with your statement. There are a few new cars in the same class as the brz. First thing that come to mind is the Miata, new and old. I've seen dudes twice my age, with half the hp and still kicking ass in miatas. But all people talk about is power. Like the old school 86 had a ton of power....
You will see the BRZ “win” drags soon 🤣
I don't think he's an expert. Brz cars are built for autocross and small circuits with plenty of turns for speed and racing.
Unfortunately we aren’t “experts” like yourself with your “unbiased” opinion of the brand you carrie the name and profile photo as your channel theme. Your opinion must matter most.
No, I am not biased at all. I still criticize the weakness of the crankshaft, crankshaft, and crankshaft in the Subaru engine, and I hope to strengthen it by the company, but my words are based on the witnessed reality, a car that has a long history in rallying with 46 rally championships, 8 championships in the Nürburgring 24-hour race, and 7 championships in the gt 300. I know Well, the reason for making it and thousands of championships by makers, car lovers and amateurs is not a coincidence. I conclude it with a beautiful saying that represents Subaru's philosophy, where others possess straight-line speed. Subaru knows that life rarely comes to you in a (straight) line.@@SamCarLegion
7:22 preach, my brother. :)
Really like your channel more and more cause your not into the " I feel the same way bout this car " crowd as other reviewers. Theres a point that i hear the same thing over and over and get that but i cant tell you look at the other side like me and appreciate that aspect of this channel. thank you Sam and your team. I hope this keeps up.
I don’t like going with the flow, rather speak my mind.
I was done with this vid when he said let’s look at the competitors Ford Mustang lol
I wanted to love this car so much. Looks pretty cool, nice interior space, comfortable, awesome handling, don’t get me wrong, the car itself is awesome… until you rev it out. I have a friend who works at Toyota and I have been on him about finding me a manual GR86. Then an auto came in and he let me drive it, and it was a total disappointment. It didn’t even feel like it had 200 hp. The lower range was peppy but when you take it to redline, it just makes a lot of noise and doesn’t move. I realize the manual would be a lil more fun but it has the same power. I know, I know it’s not a straight line car, but damn, I expected it to at least FEEL fast.
I have a ‘23 manual BRZ. Power is nice and linear for this gen and the low weight makes it feel pretty quick for a 2.4 NA. I’m coming from a MK7.5 GTI and so far I’m happy with it. I’d recommend trying the manual first.
i am 6.1 and i fit so well in the car
If only they slapped a turbo onto the brz....
turbo or none turbo it doesn't make any different you drive by the traffic law
Boxer helps handling but kills reliability plus costly to have work done on.
Its an excellent car for track days and spirited driving, its well put together and has great balance. Super cheap to mod, i think its a great pickup for their pricing especially the toyota 86.
I dont agree with everything he says but, i do agree thats over priced just like my miata was, if u track this brz than yes its the right car if that engine holds up, but if u daily it i would just say get something else with an automatic even the mustang thats my take
What's the point of it being super cheap to mod if it costs 35,000 dollars to buy it? Also, most of the time it's being driven on regular roads, not in the track.
@@braetonwilson4296 to be fair base is 28k in usa not to say that cheap and yes if u start tracking it u need a lot of upgrades on it specially something to keep it cool and new arms to get any kind of serious adjustments but still theres nothing this good gor track at 28k except a miata, please dont say a civic si, yes most ppl never track and if you are one those i say dont buy this car buy the mustang or spmething else
“This is not driven in winter”…so the few Canadian winters done in my brz are impossible huh?! The car is a blast to drive through snow with good winter tires. So yeah, we need the seat warmers 😂
Everything is getting too expensive thats why these cars are going to be a thing of the past. A loaded Miata can run you almost 40K for a toy, I agree with you on the price is a bare car don't know why is so expensive.
I went from a Camaro SS 1LE to a Corolla hatch manual. Literally 300 hp less and way more fun. Modern muscle is just too fast unless you are doing highway pulls. Not to mention consumables, I was spending 3k a year on tires. If you want to enjoy driving, slow car is the answer.
The fact that Sam rather get an ecoboost just shows me that he’s not an actual car guy. at least your race videos are entertaining.
The fact that you typed this comment shows me you know nothing about cars
@@SamCarLegion you’re upset cause I’m right, you apparently like the Miata but not the new brz, makes zero sense as they’re both very very similar cars.
@@LoXHumaN i think the ones is upset is you. You typed the comment first, I just replied. People act as if they own this brand. Wouldn’t you like to pay less for this?? 😂. Why are you fighting cheaper prices? You are the first person I know that wants to pay more? Why don’t just say: hell yeah I want to pay less! So they can hear you. Some people here are dumbest humans I have seen. Willing to argue with me to pay more for a product 😂
@@SamCarLegion stop being so triggered Sam and have an actual conversation, here in California the Miata goes for the same price new as BRZ so what do you mean pay more for same product?
@@LoXHumaN as I said I am not triggered, the ones that are commenting here are triggered by my video :)). I am just expressing my views:) but hey if you guy want to overpay for a product, all you! :)
I agree very nice ride but they need to bring up those horses
Seems like these cars are more for people in the mod community. People get them at a good price and start upgrading them, making them fast. I see so many here on east coast
My only mods are tires, wheels, and a front sway bar. Look at the SCCA D Street class and you’ll see why sports car people are buying them.
It isn't a good price though
@@BestBoricua True. I'm really speaking more on the earlier gen versions of these cars. I see them everywhere.
@@godzilla7391 that I can get behind.
Deepdish wheels and low ride
I agree with alot of these points. One of the cars I checked out before purchasing my elantra n was the subaru brz. I personally found there was not even 1 thing the brz did better. If it was alot cheaper I would've considered it more
Yep
I can give you two: styling and paint quality, but yeah, I would get the EN too.
@@RomanticPopPunk paint quality is a bit poor with my car. There are 2 blemishes in the paint that drive me insane. The rest is good. I think the styling has really grown on me. With blacked out badges the back end of my car is better imo then the brz
Drift.....
Rear wheel drive will get a lot of people to choose a BRZ over an Elantra. Also people don't respect Hyundai (rightfully or not). I was between the elantra and the brz but decided to go with the latter.
oof brutal review but i appreciate your different viewpoint to most reviewers. I cant say i disagree though. Sports cars are getting more and more difficult to justify so you have to have a big reason to buy one and speed is right at the top.
And the competition for the money is fierce
The mustang 2.3 is a better bang for the buck. However, mustangs are everywhere you turn in the usa. The brz has a unique factor.
what about a GTI?
Or that
Toyota needs to stock fkn around and slap the 2gr in something with a 6 speed manual
How about the Camaro with the 2.0L turbo 4? Almost the exact price of the BRZ. The Toybura twins should have come with the 1.6L turbo 3…same price point and you would now have a car that handles and performs…
I love my BRZ it’s great for the price and the aftermarket is massive. I wouldn’t even consider a mustang. No one who likes BRZ or jdm is even considering a mustang.
Usually if you are a fan of a car, isn’t really hard to sell you a new model. But this is more for people that think to get one :)
Hey Sam what car you Reccomend awd under 50k with better performance than others?
USD or CDN?
@@SamCarLegion usd my friend. Looking for one since winter time sucks over here in IL.
@@jimj785 mmm Elantra N, Civic Si, yes FWD but good for snow better than rwd. Stinger GT is absolute deal! Used M340i killer car! Subaru WRX new - killer option for awd! Golf R definitely one of a kind.
@@SamCarLegion good list I'm looking at the g70 3.3t awd? Classy and quick?
@@SamCarLegion elantra n was on my list but don't like the fact that it comes with summer tires can affect performance.
Lol drives about the same does it Sam. The new gen Brz drives completely different then the first gen and the “ why no turbo “ ?? Come on bud it’s not all about straight line performance. Kinda sounding like a 12 year old magazine racer. Love ya tho 😘
No need for straightline review. Just as a package way overpriced
In my opinion, this car is just an entry level sports car for young people that just got their driver's license. The positive side is that you can tune and modify it to get better performance.
So many options for young drivers
It would be if it was not more then 30k.. would rather buy a used mustang which will be faster and get you laid at least
Actually, the tuning part is the downside. These cars are not easily tunable and you’ll only get a micro performance increase anyway.
@@RomanticPopPunk 😂😂😂
Except young people are not who buys the car because they can’t afford it. The average buyer is 30+ and this is not their DD.
At the end of the day...
If it makes you happy...
It doesn't have to make sense to anyone...
Wow. How many times did you mention your fave Mustang EcoBoost and how many times did you mention the 750 lb difference in weight between the BRZ and EcoBoost and how the much lighter BRZ might actually be a better sports car than the Mustang? I’ll wait lol
I gotta say about the back seat… I mean comon. Why couldn’t they make it 6” longer? It would’ve been fine.
I'd rather have the BRZ than a pretend 4 cylinder Mustang. Also you get a BRZ/86 for the fun driving not because "it's nice, it's cute, it's easy to drive" and also not for straight line speed.
Sam you are forgetting that the brz/frs is over 600+ pounds lighter than an ecoboost mustang. It will be pretty close in straight line speed to an ecoboost mustang. Don't believe me? Do a drag race with both of them.
I don’t think so
@@SamCarLegion I have drag race for over 20 years. They are both high 13 second cars. Don't believe me? Run em.
100%, he is pretty wrong. Ecoboost stang is barely barely quicker 1/4mile.
One thing that I don't think is fair in this comparison to more up market cars is the value of the brands you are considering. Ford Ecoboost, Hyundai N, and Volkswagen GTI in lowly trims are comparable in price but I wouldn't want to own one of their cars a decade down the line. Toyotas and Subarus are priced at the top of their categories and this is a category no other brand is in. I agree that I'm not interested in a naturally aspirated four cylinder sports car, but the ecoboost mustangs, N vehicles, and performance golfs are competing in line with the upcoming GR Corolla and the WRX not the Subaru BRZ/GR86.
This car has waaaaay better reliability than the Mustang
You completely forgot the mustang is literally half a ton heavier making it about half a second faster in the quarter mile while the brz will smoke it around a corner due to the better handling and lighter weight. You also mentioned the interior was better in the mustang, which I would have to disagree, the brz has 5 cupholders(so you doing have to use the one right behind the shifter), the same size screen, has like 10 buttons on the wheel and dash whereas the mustang has like 30 buttons, making for a much more cluttered look. You said there shouldnt be a turbo, but engineering explained has a great video going over the exact specs and math as to why adding a turbo wouldnt do much. I could see an argument for a supercharger but this car was also meant to be tinkered with; if you have extra money, buy the turbo, otherwise poorer people can still enjoy the car. And if you need so much space why are you shopping for a brand new coupe? Also the automatic mustang doesnt have paddle shifters or a manual mode whereas the brz does. Also noticed you were wrong about the civic having more horsepower, the 2022 si makes 200, which is less than 228. The civic does make more torque, but is slower in both straight line and corners than the brz. Also is a FR sedan. Would have been much better to compare the BRZ to the miata or a nissan Z as those markets directly overlap with the brz. The mustang basically just appeals to straight line speed (0.4s btw) and american brand loyalty compared to the japanese ones and would be a much better comparison to compare the mustang with other american muscle cars.
Savage Sam haha!! Loved the review, I like the car but it's not for me either
I like to be honest.
An ecoboost HP is around the same price and offers way more. Really wondering why the BRZ and Gr86 were priced so high with such a competitive market
Because the twins aren't designed to just go in the straight line lmao
lmao not everything is about straight line speed. my granny can get into an ecoboost and floor it in a straight line its just not impressive or cool.0
No one is talking about straight-line speed. I am talking about a package
Can't really take anyone who compares boosted cars to naturally aspirated cars seriously.
The dealers were trying to fool me to give them my GLI 35TH for the BRZ . I am so GLAD I said NO
Straight up swap?
@@SamCarLegion straight up swap with 4k to pay on top. I asked them where the exit is and walked right away
The review was over the moment he started comparing it to a Mustang, completely different lanes.
Why completely different lanes?
@@SamCarLegion The fact you cant differentiate the two speaks for yourself as a car reviewer.
@@mattmarticuss please enlighten us, let’s see your skills? Why?
@@SamCarLegion One car specialises in lightweight rigidity, handling & balance as an ENTRY level sports car. That's why it's a popular car amongst enthusiasts, not everything is about horsepower.
A mustang is a great car, but in comparison is an oversized boat with the handling capabilities of an overweight man trying to jog 10 metres.
Both car's are aimed at completely different audiences.
@@mattmarticuss I will give you the lightweight part ( also I can barely fit), but for handling never seen these two go around the corners. I do know the 0-60 is 6.2 for brz and 5.1 for Mustang. I also didn’t not do a track review or track comparison of this car, since Subaru Canada doesn’t allow anyone for track review. Let’s assume it has handling, the package the Ecoboost offers is far superior and of course space far bigger.
Got rid of my 2018 brz as she was just too slow, got a VN instead while we wait for Nissan Z witch has been on reserve for ever now But both are miles ahead of the brz
Agreed
Rear end reminds me of the Subarus and Hondas…
😂😂
Well produced video. Ford? Found On Road Dead? Seriously? No manual gearbox anymore. 10-speed automatic only now. BRZ/GR86 in the twisties sounds like heaven..
Ecoboost Mustang over the Toybaru? Nah…not a chance.
Why not?
@@SamCarLegion Because the Mustang is still a big heavy car…it’s still muscle car with a turbo 4, and giving it a 4 cylinder engine hasn’t made it into a sports car. As such, if you buy a Mustang recognise it’s a muscle car and buy the V8. If you want a proper sports car, then you want an MX5, or a 86/BRZ or a Lotus or an Alpine.
@@richardhoulton4016 Lotus and Alpina too far from the Jap
@@SamCarLegion In price yes, but conceptually no. And I said Alpine not Alpina.
It's funny cause the Ecoboost isnt as big of an acceleration gap as you say. I also love na engines that continue to pull to redline. Si and Miata are both slower. It's your opinion though. Most car enthusiasts view this as a true sports car. It sounds like you just concentrate with only straight line performance and larger sized cars. I doubt you push your cars around corners hard often. It's then where you can feel just how fun a small, lightweight, tossable rwd car can be. I've not driven an Ecoboost but a 2019 5.0. it felt numb and heavy pushing through corners.
Ecoboost is 5.1 seconds - brz is 6.6
@@SamCarLegion Nice lol. You took the slowest automatic version and compared it. Car and driver got 5.0 0-60 in the ecoboost and 5.4 in the brz. 13.6 sec @ 102 mph in the ecoboost vs 13.9 sec @ 101 mph for the brz in the same magazine. Hardly a huge difference. Idk about you but I like to rev my engines out to redline which is what you need to do in the twins. It's obvious a turbo car will feel peppier around town but portraying one to be significantly slower is not actually true.
thanks for the different perspective. i'm also not buying the hype about the 86
Looks like a 9the gen Honda Accord coupe with the tail lights
I will continue to preach this among car enthusiasts : *HANDLING > HORSEPOWER*
„What is the point in having this NA again?“ I honestly love subaru for this decision.
Appreciate the honest review. Obviously, you're going to get some blowback, but you should always say what you feel and let the bodies fall as they may!
some kind of weird comparisons here? The mustang is a stretch, but i can believe that you might get some people cross shopping the two if their criteria is "coupe", but the Elantra N is just such an absurd car to call a "competitor". And i get that in this market none of the competition is going to be a 1:1 match, but come on
You keep arguing with yourself while agreeing with me. Pick a lane
@@SamCarLegion You seem kind of angry, man. It's just bizarre that the big competitor you have in mind is a mustang and not like, a miata or a used Z
@@LaserGuidedCat I said others too you just didn’t watch it. I am not angry at all :) - you probably are since you wrote entire novel of comment.