PAINT TALK: Grids, Cleaning, Copying, Dry Time, Water Mixable Oils
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I’ve been using water mixable oils and I noticed you had not mentioned the one thing that I use, instead of just water - water mixable linseed oil! It’s an invention genius. I use it for all painting in oils, it washes in soap and water and works with regular oil paint as well.
Bakingsheets are perfect to use as a pallette..or a rol of bakingpaper
Please never stop making these videos. I always learn so much from them! Thanks
You got it!
On brush cleaner homemade, I found video that used cheap vegetable oil 1/2 and half mix with water and a spoon full of dish soap. This really worked. I followed with more soap to get the oily feel off of it. It seemed to clean wood pallet ok too. I also saw someone using Murphy's Oil Soap. This seemed to work on cheap oils that I was playing with. I would think a layer of paint thinner and letting it sit till it bubbles up the paint and scraping would save a good wood pallet. It works on removing paint from old kitchen cabinets. Love the videos! Thank you for sharing!
DrawMixPaint is by Mark Carder. The paint he makes himself is Geneva Fine Artists Paint, and the medium is mixed in with the paint. It's not toxic to work around, but always ensure that any rags or paper towels used are disposed of after your painting session, outdoors, away from the house or garage, outside, in a safe disposal container until trash day when you throw them out. This is because oils and oil soaked rags/paper towels can self-combust and cause a fire. It's wonderful paint, I did get a set myself. I love it.
I just literally unboxed my purchases of water mixable. Perfect timing for this paint talk.😁
yve voo Yes, me too. I’ve just started using them this week. I read a lot of comments about them and so far I’m loving them. Good luck.
I've heard varying opinions about water mixable oils. I've heard some say oils and additives are still required. I've heard others say no oils or additives are needed. That they can paint an entire painting with just water. I've also heard you need to use water mixable mediums, which pretty much defeats the entire purpose for me. Which is it? I've never used any solvents. I've always just used oil and gas to clean. A hint at my age. Back in my day I didn't learn with all that stuff. We were given paint, an oil and gasoline to clean. That's it. We didn't learn with all these quick dry additives etc. I had to give up oil painting over a decade ago because of age. I just don't have it in me anymore to me with it all. If I buy water mixable oils and they only require water then I could get back in action. Which would be great. So I eagerly await your reply.
I've been using watermixables and I love how hassle free the after care "washing the brushes" is. I have no space on my own.. I've been painting in a room shared with my cousin and she never complained anything about the smell. For a person with limited space, money, but wants to experience oderless and toxic free oil painting I say watermixables are heaven sent.
@@iYvonne when you paint with them are you using just paint and water? Or do you incorporate mediums as well?
@@phillipstroll7385 when I was just starting playing around I used water only for dilution and washing the brushes... But lately I've minimally used artisan linseed oil. No other mediums. I like to keep simple. I'm a beginner though and I just paint for fun..
You can also use Murphy’s Oil soap or ivory soap to clean brushes.
They asked us to use wmo paint in my beginner painting class at uni about 20 years ago. Wmo is the only oils I ever used. I have wmo paintings that are really old and the paint held up perfectly.
For question #1, take a picture of your subject, display it on a screen with the needed zoom, flip it horizontally, tape a piece of paper on your screen, trace the contours with a willow charcoal and apply it on your canvas by pressing with your fingers.
Another informative Paint Talk...love these! Thanks for addressing the mixable oils, really appreciate it!
Thanks for watching!
I just recently decided to start oil painting and your videos have helped SO much! Thanks coach!
Thanks! Glad they are helpful
You are so cool Chris, thanks for your precious coaching 👍🏻🙏🏻
I use Murphy’s oil soap to clean my brushes. Oil cleans oil. Then I use brush Dip. I have the Geneva paints. They are wonderful but take even longer to dry. Give them a try. I purchased the bundle. They’re vibrant and juicy!
I use Murphy's wood soap as well. Works great for cleaning brushes.
Do Greek olive soap work?
Ahhh thank you for the info on the water mixable oils! Super helpful! Gonna try em out now 🤞
Glad it was helpful!
I just bought the Cobra ones and I can't wait to use them! Thank you for your videos.
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Good video Chris.
My answer on drawing. I took only drawing classes my first year. I then did monochrome only for a year. I do not draw daily and as a result my painting are good not great. I could talk for hours on it but a short story:
My first drawing class was with a guy today who is considered to be one of best if not best American portrait painter. He was 23 then and could barely talk but he was a drawing machine. All he did all day was draw.
Grids, the divider help but you’ll never be great . So it really all comes down to why your painting and how good do you want to be . I can correct my drawing as I proceed through underpainting and doing the actual painting , glazing etc but it all goes back to the accuracy of my drawing.
I use transparent wrap on a board or a table. Also, the Lucid drawing tool is a good way to project an enlarged image onto cavas
To make a photo larger, you can crop it into smaller equal sections and print out the sections larger, line up the print outs and tape the front, rub graphite on back of the paper and tape it to your canvas' use a pen and trace your picture to transfer it to the canvas. Take off your picture and you'll have a outline
Another way to transfer your drawing is to cover the back of the paper you printed the drawing on with graphite or charcoal. Put this paper on your canvas with the graphite/charcoal side down and then trace the drawing and the graphite/charcoal will transfer onto the canvas.
Really helpful, thank you!
Hello! I’m not sure if you already talked about this, but I wanted to know about the cleaning process after painting. What exactly do you do with the used paint thinner, do you dispose it in a separate trash bin? Also, how can I responsibly get rid of stained vases and/or towels that may have toxic fumes? Thanks for all the advice, keep it up!
Thank you so much!!!
I had some funky dirty dried on oil paints on a couple brushes. I used Palmolive on the and my nails to get it out. It worked well.
Thank you for the video! I’m really looking into water mixable oils. I cannot use regular oils as I have my pigeons, and birds are super sensitive to fumes. I have read that water mixables can be used safely around them however so I am very excited to hopefully get to try oils in some capacity soon!
I'm also at the trial and error stage with water mixables. One artist mentioned that all the reds seemingly have a tendency to dry slower than the other colors. Don't know why that should be but I suppose the more we learn about this type of paint the better.
Drying time can vary depending on how thick paint is applied. Impasto style will always take longer than thin washes.
I love drawing. I,ve been drawing since i was 15 or 16. I dindt learn drawing at school. I am a self thought drawer. And now i wanna be a self thought oil and acrylic painter😂 i love you,re video,s Paint Coach 😊👋🏾👍🏾😁🖐🏾
I love using grids
I Like your all paintings
A possibility to enlarge a picture not mentioned in the video: making a blown up photocopy of the photo or scanning the photo an printing it larger. Then transferring it to the canvas by tracing the outlines. This works, but it doesn’t help develop drawing skills.
Grids can be complicated in their own getting the ratio correct... even more complicated if you can't draw. For your viewer asking about transferring an image to a different scale... their best bet is to go learn to draw.
I can't afford to join your private fb group at the moment... but if love to help the guy out.
I'm still hoping you will at one point discuss buying/ mixing/ using transparent paints and or glazing.
Thank you again so much for sharing! Awesome work as always.
I recently played around with Cobra water-mixable oils. I also got some water-mixable thinner and medium. Using the thinner didn't work very well for me. And the medium, you are supposed to be able to add water to thin the medium, but when I added water, it turned milky white and you could see some water-oil separation...not good. I haven't tried the medium straight yet (without adding water). What did actually work great was when I tried just wetting my brush with a little Gamsol to use to thin the paint. The painted seemed to cover the canvas very well and I was still able to wash my brushes with just soap and water.
I smish some vasoline on my brushes after swishing and wiping my brushes. It works great. Just rinse and wipe it good before re-using. I am open to being corrected on this and perhaps my paintings will at some time peel off. But so far everything okay.
I’ve used tracing paper on a computer screen and then transfer paper to the canvas. The computer allows you to make the image as small or large as you want.
Yes but my printer won't print it in the actual size!? Only A4 and A3...
@@mrjanssen3856 Try posterazor.sourceforge.io/
@@philiptownsend4026 you are welcome :0)
pertaining to the first question asked about transferring an image from a photo onto a larger canvas there is this tool I've seen advertised that is called "Lucy" it purportedly a modern version of a tool used by some of the great painters of the past. Its basically some kind of combination of lenses put together in a compartment that is placed atop of a long adjustable arm. You look through the eye piece and aim it at the subject you intend on drawing and it somehow reflects the image onto whatever you want to draw it on. It makes the image see through. It looks very very handy for those that need to transfer drawings quicker either because of time constraints but it also seems like it definitely will aid in helping anyone get better at drawing. Please look it up its called a "Lucy"
Palmolive dishsoap works great! It has palm and olive oil that condition natural hair brushes.
I got the Schminke Medium W gel to make my regular oils water soluble. It's advised to ONLY use synthetic bristle brushes (which I purchased to use separately).
You can take the reference photo to Staples or Office Max and have them enlarge it onto cheap paper. Then cover the back of the photocopy with graphite ( pencil) and copy it to the canvas.
My brother started using water mixable oils because he told me once he was having head aches and trouble breathing. I told him it was because he's doing his painting in a small trailer that he lives in, that that was why he was getting these symptoms. That was it. He needed to be in a larger area to paint with oils, or do like he did do. Try water mixable oil paints. It worked for him.
Love your videos, today I almost thought you had a guitar below that mic, and were about to break into song, lol.
thank you
Water mixable oil question is at 15:25
@Chris, how do you store your brushes after dipping them?
Cobra WMO has painting paste which is the same chemical mix as the paint but without the pigment. Great for a final layer over pure paint with less brush marks show. I use water as my first layer.
? What wet on wet technique can I use with water mixable oil paints instead of liquid white
Thank U again 🎨🖼️
Can water mixable oil paint be used over the underpainting done with traditional oil paint
There are linseed oil medium for water mixable oil. The linseed oil can mix in water like the paint. No solvent needed
Can you paint with water soluble oil paints on top of regular oil paints? I painted over an old study I did in oils using regular oils but also used a tube of titanium white water soluble oil paint and all the white areas haven't dried even though I made the painting weeks ago.
Thanks for this video. I've found that baby oil is a great, odourless brush cleaner. Put a bit on your palm, rub the brush into it, and rinse off with warm running water. Much better than using baby oil on children, it being mineral spirits/petroleum by product ;)
Several weeks ago I was sorting out my brushes and came across seven that had stiff bristles. I could have kicked myself for letting them get into this condition. I had watched a video the day before on how to restore and clean paint brushes. I poured some Murphy's Oil Soap into an empty jar, added a little bit of water not too much then soaked my brushes overnight. I kid you not, the next day the brushes were good as new. I am a skeptic about a lot of things and I actually didn't think this soap would work but it did. I didn't have to work the bristles very much but I did squeeze them gently while I was rinsing them.
This oil soap is now my 'go to' if I need to clean a brush that I have forgotten about.
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I like your drawing 🥺🙏🏽
@Paint Coach have you tried Schminke Painting Mediums -theoretically one would add to conventional oils and make them water soluble? Sounds too good to be true. Mixable oils sound good because I have no ventilation, though I would need to buy new paint. IDK if the Schminke Painting Mediums are odorless or not or how well they work.
I enjoy using the water mixable paints too. I don' have very good results though when I dilute it with water. How much water do you use?
Isn’t it true that if using too much water the pigment will no longer bind too well and everything becomes easy to rub off?
What Brand of water mixable oil paints would you recommend?
Can I use wateroil paint on watercolor paper?
For blowing up an image you can also use a grafitti artists method (can't remember the name of it, sorry), where you put a bunch of random but seperate marks on your canvas. Then take a photo of your complete canvas. You can then overlay the reference photo with the photo of your canvas. By adjusting the opacity of the layers, you can figure out where certain features of the reference fit in relation to the marks on the canvas. You'd need an app that allows for this (for mobile phones, I like Snapseed). This method is also great for checking your painting with your reference later on, if you feel there is something (completely) 'off' but can't put your finger on it. I have to admit falling back to this when trying portraits... [oops].
Another method for transferring an image would be to trace the image with tracing paper. Then you place a sheet of graphite paper underneath and just trace over your previously traced image onto your desired surface. It works well for up to 8.5 by 11. Anything larger can be a pain.
Thanks for the great info! Do you or have you in the past ever used acrylics and if so why do you prefer oils since they seem to require different mediums, longer dry times, toxic solvents, and a much more involved clean up??? Thanks!
acrylics dry so quickly it is very difficult to blend with them. Just look at images of acrylic paintings and oil paintings enough, and you will see a difference in what artists are able to do. Golden acrylics and certain mediums will slow down acrylic, slightly.
I've read that you should not use more than 25% water with the watersoluble oil - same rule as for acrylics.
Same here, and I actually heard caution against painting with water added, instead using medium. The reasoning was the water dries much faster than the paint and could crack.
I wanted to try water mixible oil. I hate it. I bought a starter set and the paint is too sheer. I use acrylics for under painting. When I tried to paint overtop with the water mixible oil, it doesn't cover. The paint is see through. So disappointing. Any idea why? The brand is Gamblin 1980. 🤷♀️
How long does it take to finish an oil painting.could you do a video with a time line and also how do you mix with your paint on your flat pallette?
Thanks for the advice. Ill repay you by giving some of my own lmao... Your mircophone picks up too much ... 😣 still love you. Thank u sincerely for every bit of guidance!
Can I mix acrylics with water soluble oils.
While learning to draw will be very helpful in the long run, you can transfer your artwork by having the original blown up to the size you want at a local Staples or copy shop and then use transfer paper to draw the original onto your paper or canvas. One note about transferring to canvas that is stretched onto a frame (rather than the canvas sheets) - you need to support the canvas as you press down on it to draw the image. Placing books behind the canvas can be one way to do this. There are plenty of videos about this process online.
Outstanding Martin!
No retouch varnish in a spraying can? So is it better too use retouch varnish from a bottle? Cause its expensiver than the retouch varnish spray. I love you,re channel Paint Coach
Can someone please help me ? I’m new to WMOs and when portrait painting I thin the paint with water but this gives it kind of a dull-ish matte finish and they dry quite quickly. I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations on what specific mediums to use with them ? Can I use just water mixable linseed oil to thin it or do I need something different ?
Do a search for an article on Jackson's called "Mediums Are the Key to Water-mixable Oil Paints." It explains most of your questions. FYI, I found Cobra products to be the most painterly - many other brands get ropy and sticky when you thin with just water - Cobra does not! I use their Quick Dry Medium in the early wash and block-in stages. Hope that helps!
Jim Coope thank you Jim for taking the time to comment ! I will defo look into Cobra’s WMOs and Jackson’s article was very helpful, too ! Thank you once again !
Hi new friend here !
Love your videos keep it up 👍
Thank you, I will
Try the Davinci eye phone app to trace photos onto canvases.
I am starting wmo ..using wn. I have every medium and oil. Its still so thick i want to box it up and send it back. Help.
That sounds odd, I don't know if the brand matters but I'm using Cobra wm oils with their wm medium and it works the same and feels the same as traditional to me. I've also used WN and others as well and no problems.
Use walnut oil with water mixable oilpaint.
Chris, I am using water soluable oils on a linen canvas pad and my paint keeps "disappearing" overnight. Im painting a black angus calf but every time I add a layer, it looks great until the morning...and I think "what happened to my paint?". Any ideas what I am doing wrong. Im using water as a medium.
It sounds like your canvas is very absorbent, or your maybe your paints are too watery and therefore easily absorbed. I used to like an absorbent undercoat when I used traditional oils and solvents, as the first layers of oils would get absorbed to an extent, drying faster in the process, enabling me to work faster in the beginning. But you could also rub a turps/linseed mix into such an undercoat to saturate it and prevent absorption of the first thin layers.
I use an app on my phone or ipad called "Projector" To transfer images. It works pretty well
Head and Shoulders shampoo to clean paint on hands!!
I accidentally bought some water mixable oil paint with my oil paints, i have painted with them before I realized what they were, 2 tubes , I used them with my oil paints, any comments for me ?
Draw Mix Paint, Mark Carder owns Geneva Paints, and his paint has many different things pre-mixed into his paints. Some are straight linseed oils, but earth tones dry faster and he has formulated them to dry slower than they normally do. All in all, his paint is designed to ALL dry at the same rate, so as to give the artist full advantage of the slow dry times of oils in general. I personally have not used them, and do not think I would like them... I try to speed up my dry times, and also like that I can mix my mediums for effects, impasto or glaze... the Geneva would make that really hard to pull off... another "quality" is Geneva paints ""self level" and glass over leaving no or little brush strokes. The paints are designed for Mark Carde's preferences- and that's absolutely what I'd do if I owned a paint company!
Also, while he paints everything, Mr. Carder seems to predominately be a portrait painter. Self leveling paint or little to no brush stroke paint is a big plus with some portrait painters. But I am sure impasto medium could help for other thicker styles.
Did'nt know that about Geneva paints. Do not think I would like them either then. but it does sound like an amazing, specialized product.
Hi Chris, been watching you for a while, any chance you might show how to paint in watercolours please ?
Could you use water mix able oils more like using water colour paints
No. I have thoroughly researched this and found out if you use too much water to thin the paint like a watercolour wash, the molecules of paint will not bond together sufficiently.
I’ve just started using WMO since I can’t use regular oil paint. I use water only to put in my first block in and of course to clean brushes. After that I use a water mixable medium to finish .
I’ve heard of a product by Schmineke , that lets you use regular oil paint and you can clean up with water. (So they say) . I’m going to try it out, but was wondering if you’ve heard anything about it. It’s called W, and is available on Amazon. Tallahassee, Florida
Try RAPID RESIZER software. You can upload an image and resize then to any size and then print out on printer paper A4, then join all the pieces together.
Hi Chris I am beginner in painting I follow your videos to improve my skills, really enjoying it if I send to photos of my acrylic paintings can you give me any advice? Thank you for help Justin
Mark Carder
Have you ever been interested in trying something else, for example taking a one time class somewhere on something different ( for an example a class on printmaking at a college or communal art studio ).
You can oil out to get a fresh painting to a show.
There is water mixable linseed oil tho :P
I saw him make a video two years ago saying to not use water soluble oil paint because if you’re going to use water just use acrylics
private coaching how much cost? the projector is working. enlarge the picture and make a copy and trace it, I love glass pallets. Gojo is good for cleaning the brush..a master copy helped me how to highlight. for painting the glasses I copy the master. i copy Renoir for the modest dress and colors. retouch varnish. no use spray can! water mixable paint is good. use water for medium.
The ending is always so hilarious 😂
Best way to enlarge an image without drawing skills or high-tech is a Pantograph as someone already mentioned.
Using a pantograph is whole skill set on its on. It isn't as easy as it looks.
Have you tried cobra? They are in a different league
Use walnut oil.
Holy shit I'm a celebrity!!
Paint thickness vary a lot from brand to brand as well. Check out different brands.
I know they are called water mixable oils. You are only meant to clean up water not mix it, go figure. You can get water mixable medium.
How to you transfer to a canvas or paper from a screen image, photo, still life or landscape and be very accurate!! That problem had been solved a century or more ago and was used by botanist, archeologist, Entomologists, Herpetologists, zoologists, etc.
They used the Licida projection or camera which today can get as a phone app. Basically the source of the image wanted is shown transparent in front of the canvas or paper. The person looks at the canvas through the image from a fixed point. The pencil held by the person is use to trace the transparent image on to the canvas or paper. Even artist have use this device. Obvious a large image on the canvas requires a long reach.
The approach is great for these scientist trying to put the thing they are looking at on to the page of their records, a small image.
Not very great for artist trying to make a life or larger sketch. I assume a program maybe available that a camera on a tripod represents the person looking through the transparency. A notebook computer image shows the camera view with zooming to the artist with the pencil tracing it. He can see the pencil in the notebook image.
Here the storyline is, “water is just for cleaning and not meant to be a medium”, have you tested if your paint film is easy to rub off? ua-cam.com/video/MU-6yVemLRk/v-deo.html
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I got those paints and not real happy with them
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"I wanna paint but I can't draw"!? Jeez well you won't be able tto paint then love
Toxic cleaning of brushes you skin is an organ that absorbs 😢,, your young,, you will find out when your body starts reacting to dangerous solvent s
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