History of the Japan-Korea Baseball Rivalry
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- Опубліковано 2 бер 2023
- Let's examine the long history of the Japan vs. Korea baseball rivalry as we prepare for the 2023 World Baseball Classic.
CORRECTION: The 2015 Premier12 was the last time Ohtani played for Samurai Japan in a tournament. He played in exhibition games in 2016 (when he hit a ball through the roof of Tokyo Dome) in preparation for the 2017 WBC but missed the tournament due to an injury.
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Small correction: I meant to say the 2015 Premier12 was the last tournament Ohtani played in. He did suit up for Samurai Japan for exhibition games in 2016 (when he famously hit a ball through the roof of Tokyo Dome) but missed the 2017 WBC due to injury.
i don't wanna do a promotion of other channels, but i think this video will add a perspective about the relationship between the two countries around baseball.
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Great show! I love the picture of So Taguchi and Ichiro from back in their days as fellow outfielders with the Orix Blue Wave at 2:54. They both look about 14 years old.
It should be also mentioned that the rivalry thing between Japan and South Korea in general is getting old among younger generation. As for the baseball rivalry, I think it exists only for fun, and it seems current players in each team respect each other as athletes more, and it feels for them the political/historic aspects are detached from baseball. A Korean pitcher recently made an inappropriate comment that's going viral now, but I'm pretty sure he said it as a joke, and also the fact the Korean society made it a scandal shows things have changed. Or at least this is what I'm hoping is happening, and the rivalry should be only for fun, which makes the upcoming WBC super exciting!
Yes, the rivalry has definitely cooled down, especially on the baseball side of things. It does very much still exist on a political level but the younger generation is not really a part of it. I’m sure the pop culture exchange between the sides has really helped too.
@@YakyuCosmopolitan As Japanese, I think it's because the abilities aren't as competitive as before.
They were only rivals back in 2009. Korea hasn't been a threat to Japan since then. It's been more than a decade since those days and the scores and medals show how dominant Japan is.
I mean it's kind of hard to have as much of a rivalry when Korea isn't even making it out of the groups anymore.
@@vamosnippon k weeb lol. No matter what weebs are the worst. Anyway Im glad relationship between the two are improving again with constant cultural exchange (anime, kpop both huge in both countries) I also love how respectful both players are to each other.
that Darvish slider was nasty. But I love his pose after he struck him out. It was like he finally turned SSJ
Don’t forget about dae sung koo’s complete game in 2000 Olympics
I am a Korean baseball fan. I enjoyed watching this video while reviving all the memories of every Korea-Japan match.
Hey love ur vids
I really love watching the asian style of baseball and remember this WBC well. There was a lot of pressure on the Japanese team and it showed throughout the tournament. I think it was the best WBC so far.
awesome video once again...really getting into Japanese baseball cause of this channel...anyone know where I can catch the games this season from the USA?
It’s very difficult to watch games outside of Japan unfortunately. As far as legal options, Pacific League TV is a decent price and lets you stream anywhere. But as the name implies you don’t get any Central League games apart from some interleague. DAZN is the best baseball streaming service in Japan but has a VPN detector so unless you can crack that (some people can) it isn’t viable.
Check www.reddit.com/r/NPB/wiki/index/ for other options.
@@YakyuCosmopolitan thanks for the reply I will deff look into it more
This has me absolutely hyped!!!! My cardinals are on full display. Shout out to KK! Korea ace
Coming back after our (korea) quite humiliating defeat… i gotta say, japan has improved soooo much since 2019 and korea really hasnt moved up an inch. We really need our schools and pro teams to change the way they run things to catch up with not only japan, but also international baseball. Baseball is growing at an unprecedented speed and korea must MUST work to catch up to the international standards. Otherwise, our hay day as one of the powerhouses of baseball will be gone for good.
Korea’s hitting was good this tournament. But the pitching development has really lagged behind and it was very apparent with how many runs they gave up against Australia and Japan.
agreed in some ways, but you gotta admit that 22-2 game against China was absolute success for Korea.
@@jamie2118 umm… not really? That’s like calling England soccer succeeded after beating Bangladesh 8-0.
@@koreanBaseballNerd but it was a WBC record for the most points, so calling it a non-success would be idiotic, wouldn't you say?
@@jamie2118 No it is not idiotic.
If France got knocked out of the World Cup Group Stage while beating Bangladesh 15-0 in their last meaningless match, would you still call that a 'success'? No sane person would and it goes the same for South Korea.
To judge whether a national team was successful in a certain international tournament, the end result is what we should look at (and I think it's quite obvious, I don't know why you're trying to claim otherwise).
Great video can’t wait to watch this years wbc. Seems like every country is putting their best possible foot forward. I got Japan winning the whole thing “upsetting” USA or DR. That Japanese pitching is just wayyyy too strong.
After the semi-finals this American hitting is way too strong
@@whenisdinner2137 oh yeah?
@@whenisdinner2137 lol this aged quick
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache man I wasn't wrong. They got nine people on base they just couldn't score with one of them. They hit two homers. They just got unlucky as hell with when they were hitting
@@whenisdinner2137You got it wrong
L is a L
11:04
He was out lol.
My favorite Korean professional team is KT-WIZ and my favorite Japanese team is Softbank Hawks.
12:05 Really interesting storyline. Too bad the ending was spoiled by the big “Congratulations Samurai Japan” headline ad the top.
Great video nonetheless
Same goes with soccer with Japan and South Korea.
14:10 the greatest at bat in the history of korea japan rivalry gets three seconds of play
Ty for this video I was wondering why it was so intense to watch their fans
To be fair, Japan never really ever instigated the politicisation of the Japan-Korea derby.
But I think it's fair to say, Japan always looked down on Korean baseball, in the same way the MLB looks down on the NPB.
It's always the underdog that gets more fired up, and I think the first WBC started the rivalry. Ichiro, without malicious intentions, commented his expectation to breeze past South Korean team. SK, quite fairly, took this as disrespect, and reacted with the infamous "planting the flag" incident.
All of Japan witnessed this conduct, and Ichiro reacting to it ignited the rivalry for good. Japanese now see this as a game that cannot be lost - a source of pride towards a century old league.
I don't know how SK sees the game, but here in Japan, it seems very politicized. If you win, its "as expected", and if you lose, you're a national shame for two weeks.
Ichiro mouth www
rising sun flag = Nazi flag
Always love your content, and this one was a really good one too. I learned a lot about the background of the rivalry and it made me look more forward to the already anticipated upcoming classics.
I know this is a baseball channel and me commenting about this is probably against your intentions, but I have to note that the historical background you stated was extremely biased. Not saying it’s wrong, it could be or couldn’t be, just biased. One side is denying to accept the full claim of the other for a legitimate reason, and since it’s not resolved to this day, I thought you shouldn’t conclude one side’s story as a historical fact. Im ethnically Japanese but I would’ve said the same even if you were on the Japanese perspective. I study history/modern political science, and for what I can say that it’s extremely difficult to put any conclusion on this issue.
I’m not saying that you should research more or anything, as you’re an awesome baseball content creator, but I’d advise you to stay neutral on topics you don’t want to go deep on.
Sorry to bother you, have a fantastic day!
I’ve personally researched this era extensively in my studies. This is the conclusion I’ve come to, even as someone that is half-Japanese and non-Korean
I don’t think it’s an anti-Japanese perspective and I wanted to share this history because I think it’s necessary to understand the intensity of the rivalry. I wouldn’t have brought it up if I didn’t think it related to the baseball aspect of things.
But I appreciate your respectful comment, even if you disagree.
@@YakyuCosmopolitan thanks for your reply and my apologies for not understanding your intentions and not being aware that you have studied about this topic.
I would then like to additionally note that Japan isn’t really denying or not acknowledging South Korea’s claim itself to this day, as you said in the video. I don’t think there are any primary sources that supports that stance from the modern government of Japan. Rather, they are declining to respond to further compensations and apologies based on the stances of past agreements and treaties, as recent as the Japan-South Korea Comfort Women Agreement in 2015, that concreted that this issue was finally and irreversibly put to an end after many apologies and compensations over the years to up to hundreds of millions of yen and government aid.
I’m not trying to confront you or argue with you. I just thought explaining one side and ending it there isn’t “not going deep”.
I’m so sorry for being that guy in the comment section haha
Who has the better squad this time around?
Japan but Korea is starting to get more competitive I believe as of late
On paper it’s Japan for sure but Korea can never be taken lightly as this video hopefully proved
Japan is always strong but the Korean players get stronger in the match against Japan
@@peteryoo9481 we clearly saw that this time...
@@peteryoo9481 stronger than who?
Japan has owned SK in WBC for a while now, SK has a ways to go.
確かに2009年までは日韓戦といえば熱い宿命の戦いでした。当時の韓国チームは強く、日本戦となればバフがかかるように眼の色を変えて粘って勝ちに行く姿勢は素晴らしかった。残念ながら今はその面影はありません。韓国や台湾といったアジアのチームがより強くなることで日本もより熱い試合を期待できます！
Love the video, but we never heard that Jong Bum Leee as Korean Ichiro. His nick name is son of the wind
i know nobody cares but I went to the same highschool as Soh Taguchi's son (i think he's plays in NCAA now) and he's a monster of an athlete.
베이징, 2009 wbc 때가 그립다.
Japan has a total population is 125 million, south korea is 51 million.
64 japanese baseball players played in the MLB, 27 korean baseball players played in the MLB. 4 from Taiwan, 1 from China.
Korean men's national and Japanese men's national soccer teams played since 1954, with 82 matches so far 42 korean victories, 23 draws, 16 japanese wins.
China had 262 total gold medals from all Olympic participation. South korea with 129. Japan with 169.
5 japanese played in the NBA (2 currently), 1 korean played in the NBA.
4 korean born players played in the NFL (not including half koreans born in usa like will demps or partial koreans like Kyler Murray or full koreans born in usa like eugene chung). 12 players in the NFL that was born in japan but none were ethnically japanese including rg3.
Most popular sports in japan: #1 baseball, #2 soccer, #3 sumo, #4 tennis
Most popular sports in korea: #1 baseball, #2 soccer (unless it's world cup), #3 basketball, #4 esports
Most popular sports in China: #1 basketball #2 soccer #3 ping-pong #4 badminton
The first korean to ever win a gold medal at the Olympics is another reason for tension between korea and Japan. Son kee chung won the marathon gold medal (setting a world record) at the 1936 berlin Olympics (the one Jesse Owens pissed off Hitler). At the time korea was a Japanese colony and Son was given a choice to represent japan and use his japanese alias or he couldn't participate in the Olympics. Japan still claim his achievement.
Recent years the sports rivalry became less politically and racially charged. Irchiro incorrectly predicted south korea and Taiwan wouldn't beat japan for 30 years back in 2006, while ohtani this year said korea is a top class team. Ohtani is hugely popular and respected by korean baseball fans. Nao kodaira rivalry with Lee sang Hwa and Mao asada rivalry with Kim Yuna I think was the beginning of friendship in rivalry with the two countries, I noticed a shift in attitude at least on the korean side. Yoshihiro akiyama (choo sung hoon in physical 100) is a zainichi mma fighter that was 4th generation born in japan but was a korean citizen. Rejected by korea to represent korea in judo, he decided to become japanese citizen and been a bridge to both countries.
Correction, 2006 Ichiro said I HOPE to win this game so they will have mercy against Japan for the next 30 years.
Anywho I think the media likes to make so much drama out of the rivalry just to hype up. Japanese citizens obviously don’t see Korea as a rival in baseball. Korea hasn’t been a real threat since 2009. It’s been over a decade. While Japan has won several world tournaments 🏅 since then as well. Japan has dominated in the world so their main rival is the US not Korea.
@vamosnippon "We will beat south korea so badly, I will make them see they will not beat japan for 30 years." Ichiro in 2006. He also stated when he went to korea, the country smelled like garlic.
The koreans planted their flags on the pitcher mound after winning which was an insult to the japanese. South korean news reported japanese imperial rising sun flag being waved at this year's wbc games.
On the other hand, Ohtani is perhaps the most popular baseball player in Korea today. There are even korean youtube channels dedicated to just Ohtani.
@@vaccinatedanti-vaxxer Ichiro「（韓国などのチームには）向こう３０年、日本にはちょっと手を出せないな、みたいな、そんな感じで勝ちたいなと思っています」
You can get your facts right before you post. What's wrong with smelling like garlic?
Don’t underestimate China they might bring a Cinderella story in that sport.
For me, the Dominican Republic vs. Puerto Rico rivalry is better sportingly speaking. But I understand that Japan vs Korea are conflicts outside of sports involved. Dominicans and Puerto Ricans off the field are siblings
Korea cant compete because like 70 schools participating baseball Japan 4000 player pull absolutely huge differences between 2 country Actually Korea is doing fine with small pull
The level is even higher than giants-dodgers and yankees-redsox
I’m a history teacher and you did an excellent job at explaining the political history of Japan and Korea
it's sad how korea is underperforming this year. i was expecting a lot more from them
Japan does cheat with the scheduling though
wow..This result is surprising considering the population of the two countries and that most of the games were played at home in Japan
Japan has the much better team and the better players.
A baseball rivalry that starts with "war and bloodshed" "brutally repressed" and "sexual slavery" is going to be intense.
THANK YOU for the honest and complete coverage of Imperial Japanese atrocities, I was worried for a second that this would be left out.
I love Japan and I love Korea ❤️
Japan has surpassed Korea decade ago.
Japan >>>>
Amazing at baseball, amazing people!
マウンドに旗を立てたのは許さない
Ok because you matter.
Ichiro dog mouth www
rising sun flag=Nazi flag
Japan owns korea
Japan got the last laugh in 2006 and 2009 WBC anyway.
I disagree with the part that says that Japan and Korea had an history of war and bloodshed before Japanese colonization. Between 668 and 1910 Japan and Korea only fought twice, the the imjin war (1592-1598) and the mongol invasions of Japan (1274-1281). Confucian states barely fought with each other for most of their history and they were mostly concerned with horse riding nomads.
You’re not wrong about that. I should have described it a different way. But the animosity towards one another did exist prior to colonization, and unfortunately the most recent century wins out in terms of the sentiments many people currently have.
@@YakyuCosmopolitanyou should have kept to only baseball rivalry and not go into “brutal” Japanese occupation and comfort women.
As very little talked about Vietnamese women groups were raped and sodomized brutally by Koreans during the Vietnam war and this has been kept quiet as embarrassment to the American politics (Koreans fighting under US flag)
Also the most brutal warcrimes in 2nd ww was officers and soldiers of Korean nationalities (Fighting under Japanese flag)
This as I live in South East Asia and was reported to the war tribunal by Dutch Colonel and European officers.
The modern time rivalry is mainly created for Political and financial purposes to continue to receive war damages and development aid just until 15 years ago. Media go along with this to create a never ending hate relation which keeps media and the politicians in business.
Young Koreans are on the contrary very benevolent to the Japanese culture and love their fashion, anime, food, gadgets, life style which all has influenced current Korean goods and services.
Your channel is great and I follow you on twitter but I think it is absolutely not necessary to mention comfort women issues or colonialism (which Europeans more brutally has inflicted on other nationalities including slavery)
Iam not biased to the Japanese. I have ancestry in both Japan and Korea and I am brought up in Europe, where I think history are told more balanced than American black and white way of vilify one side.
Why do you say “brutal” with quotation marks, as if it wasn’t actually brutal? The Japanese have a history of being the most brutal subjugators, they even made the Nazis shudder. I love how every country acknowledges their brutal history, except for Japanese people. Weird coincidence, no?
Yes Koreans were brutal in the Vietnam war. Still a difference between colonization with the systemic destruction of a country’s cultural identity, as opposed to isolated war crimes in one region of a country. Also, even if we were to assume Korea’s brutality was to the same level, that doesnt make what Japan did any less brutal, especially considering Japan did this long before Korea’s participation in the Vietnam war.
You say your not partial to Japan but your user name and comments on other videos clearly suggest otherwise. I wonder why you don’t embrace Korean culture the same way, despite claiming to be Korean?
@@dathunderman4 systemic destruction of cultural identity? What did the European colonialist do systemic destruction of cultural identity…? Drugged them with opiods…Enslaved them…
I live in the Philippines, everyday, the Filipinos will tell they hate the rude Koreans. They are violent to their local labor and trashing houses and disregard rules. Screaming shouting behaving entitled.
You have no idea, the Korean mentality, my ancestors are Koreans and they can tell the shame from the wartime crimes, the true backgrounds of comfort women’s operations.
The history was at the time better written as Japanese as ALL evil, it served political purpose at the time to be involved in a war by west. And can’t change now but there are plenty of materials by western research that exist which proves a heinous propaganda.
As for Koreans has been to extort money from Japan and it also serves their political purpose to vilify Japan. Media is their instrument. But even in Korea there are people who are fed up with the distortion of historical facts.
Korea at the turn of last century was dirt poor country with no health care, unhygienic conditions, and no proper schools, food, administrative system and no infrastructure.
You read somewhere that Koreans where not allowed to speak Korean and had to speak Japanese. That was in school and official affairs. SAME WITH EUROPEAN COLONIES…
You should stop talking BAD about a nation of people just because you’re so naive and don’t understand the political agenda and propaganda is created for the sake of nations waring with each other through the history.
@@mirikaku5811typical Japanese false logic.
thanks for being neutral when explaining the history
South Korea only participate 70+ schools but Japan 7000 America 10000 if South Korea win that's a surprise.
Japan has never colonised Korea by any means.
It was annexed, rest of the world didn’t disagree to do annexation at the time. Even the korean political parties wanted to be annexed by Japan due to Chinese and Russian imperialism.
In fact, Japan made average Korean life expectancy almost double, built many infrastructures, schools, hospitals, universities and more.
Before and after Japan took care of them, it’s a total different country. Please google search some pictures still you can see by yourself.
look at korea in 1945 (after japan left) and korea in 1970 (wayy after japan left) korea worked hard for their development. All japan did was sex labor
Ok? So is rape and killing okay because it “modernized” people’s lives? Are you going to justify slavery for modernizing the lives of many Africans?
That's what the colonizing country taught you in school. Read something other than the colonizing countries history books.
Typical Japanese false logic.
The act of setting up a flag on the mound lacks sportsmanship...
Not really, just athletes celebrating their victory by representing their respective countries. If you think national team celebrating with their national flag in an international tournament is ‘unsportsmanlike’, you should stick to college baseball
ichiro's words lacks sportsmanship
Cope.
Too bad it’s not rlly
Dude, it's what makes sports fun man😂 your all polite sumimasen everything doesn't count in this man's sports
It was annexation, not colonization. Koreans asked Japanese to annex their country because they were afraid of Russia. A korean activist even took the life of a Japanese politician who opposed the annexation. That shows how desperate some Koreans were. Of course, for those who didn't want to be Japanese, the annexation was absolutely evil. But that's what Korean leaders at the time decided. Japan gave Korea money that was about three times their national budget, built schools, hospitals, factories, and many other things, increasing the population and the average life expectancy of Korea drastically. It was never intended to exploit Korea at all. It wasn't Japan's one-sided aggression like people think it was. Japan wanted Korea to be a strong wall between Japan and Russia because Japan also was afraid of Russia trying to expand their territory southward. Western propaganda about Japan and Germany is beyond insane.
the west loves japan now but you are right both the west and japan did bad things so there is no point to demonize japan .
You must have not read the history on the brutality of Japan and what they did to other countries
*atrocities
@@1goldengirl25 That's just the overexaggerated version of what some bad apples did. And it's also based on fake photos presented by China, which have been proven to be fake.
Not true at all. Only rationalized to the numerous r*p* and aggression crimes committed by Japan. Stop gaslig*ting
Korean baseball is no where close to being on Japans level. That's the truth.
point is not that
so basically you didn't watch this video lol
@@thereasonwhy6313
you sound mad lol
As a korean, this is depressingly correct nowadays
Japan has a history of crimes against humanity. Yes it was years ago but you can’t forget it.
every country bro, every country.
Yea literally every country has its crime bruh
@@LightningStrikeLSGo japan has a TON compared to other countries
@@smurf7511Forgot about Empire with Union Jack flag? or Ottoman Massacre? or What "American" do to Indians? Even What Qing Dynasty do to Viet Nam & Qing invasion of Joseon?
@@arga.danielnone compares to rape of Nanking and Unit 731