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Suhr Reactive Load: Coaxing the Most out of Your Tube Amp
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2020
- Today in Plague Scythe Studios, I move up in the realm of amplifier direct recording with Suhr's Reactive Load!
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Good comparison video. If you want to nerd out more on data, download Room Eq Wizard (free), and if you solder up a couple wires and plugs, you can measure the impedence curve of your cabs, and load boxes, and see exactly why the Suhr sounds so good, and the two notes is not-quite-there with some amps.
www.roomeqwizard.com/help/help_en-GB/html/impedancemeasurement.html
Randall Aiken also has some good resources on his website about load boxes design.
Gotta love youtube.
Haven't got a notification from you in months, came here to comment "what happened dude?" only to realize you kept posting only I wasn't getting notifications.
A lot of old videos to watch, BBL.
Great info! D’you know where I can find instructions/tutorials on how to build the cable needed for this measure? Thanks
Even the captor x ? Have you tried react ir by st rock ?
@@mthao1832 I havent seen any plots of the Captor X but I assume its the same as the normal captor (two notes dont say anything about an 'improved' load from what I've seen.)
Never tried the react ir nor seen anyone plot its impedence response. However on their website they show a picture of an LT Spice plot of a full impedence curve, so hopefully it is accurate to a speaker cab like the Suhr.
"My recording solution for the next few years, unless something drastically changes the load box market." So you're saying, you're not... suhr.
Thank you, Cleveland, good night!
Jokes aside, sounds pretty good!
The Single Rectifier sounds amazing. The Captor can get a great Performance to tape but the suhr makes it Shine. (in term of the loadboxes)
Sounds great. I use an ox box when everyone is sleeping and it’s just about my favorite way to record. Great demo, Suhr sounds awesome.
As always. Really interesting content. Suhr always put out a good product. These are also some of the best tones you've put out too.
I bought a Surh Reactive load a couple months back and couldn't love it more. Both The Suhr and Two Notes have their uses though.
The Suhr sounds extremely clear and detailed, very crisp and defined.
The Two Notes doesn't have as much inherent high end and so it sounds a bit smoother.
I'm the same as you though, I wanted to buy a Fractal Load box as well but after several months of it not being in stock I went with the Suhr. Glad I did.
Saw this vid a while back and was intrigued. Been using the Captor for a while and have been very happy with the results. Recently came across a used Suhr RL and pulled the trigger. Low and behold there certainly is a difference. My preference now is for the Suhr for most of my amps and the Captor for the others. Thank you so much for making this video. Cheers!
Thanks for the review, which amps si you prefer on the captor?
Sweet little proggy riff through the Gargoyle....I really enjoyed that
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I think you nailed the description. The Suhr sounded better in the first two sections that sounded aimed for a greenback sound. Once you started getting heavier, to me, the two notes captor beat it. Not by much, and it's hard to put my finger on, but the Suhr was missing something on the heavies. Great video.
I actually thought the Captor sounded a little closer to the Mesa cab probably due the impedance curve they went after being closer to the Mesa V30 thing but I still preferred the Suhr. It has overall more depth and 3D character to the sound. I can definitely hear the greenback 4x12 thing coming through. Maybe a little more scooped.
The Suhr has a more realistic dynamic response, the way the low end pumps and moves has way more resemblance to a miced cab which makes a big difference to adding that 3D “depth” that people love to talk about. Very cool shit.
Am using the Suhr with a 20 watt Marshall head into some Two-Notes cab sims, and the results have been nothing short of amazing. Never used the Two-Notes load box, so I can't speak to that, but seeing how the Suhr does exactly what I want it to, and sounds phenomenal in the process, I'd say get the Suhr if you're in the market for one.
I bought the same Suhr RL the day it was released and have used it with my Marshall AFD100 and 5150 and it works great! Wouldn’t trade it for any of the others. But, I absolutely agree if Boss released a less expensive version of their TAE it could be a good contender in the $300-400 price range. It and the Ox are too expensive at their current price points. For more flexibility you could look at the new Suhr RL version that has HP Jack, IR loader and hi/lo cut switches on the front. Perfect! Great video and comparisons 👍
I acquired a Driftwood reactive load and it sounds pretty legit. I wish I could compare it to the Suhr. Maybe someday.
with the surh reactive load I can turn it on on stage, connecting it between the speaker of my vox and the head, being able to set the volume of my vox in some region to hear it on stage and not needing to mike it, passing the signal that the suhr reactive load receive and send to the table, dare you, a live stage show situation without needing to mic my vox. I speak of Brazil
Wow, I just saw the video, what you describe as difference is 150% to the point!!!!
Bravo!!!Nice really. Although I prefer the 2notes approach(for my taste ), the suhr is a beast!!!
Thanks for the video man.
I used a Harry Kolbe "Silent Speaker" in the early 90's... long before the deluge of load boxes on the market today. I used it as a line out from my Marshall through my effects rack... then into a separate power amp.
I'd just committed to this beast. Great timing on the trusted content, bröther.
Bruh this is exactly the video I needed, awesome.
Shame I picked such a bad time to discover IRs are actually good and silent recording for tube amps is finally pretty legit... Can't find the TwoNotes in stock anywhere.
If you are still looking. I have the same Two Notes model that us in this video that I should list for same. I have the same SN on all of the guitar forums, so just PM me if interested.
I don't know if you have access to a "Laney Ironheart IRT Studio". It's a 3 channel tube amp that has some kind of built-in loadbox that allows you to track silently WITH poweramp tube coloration. I have never used one but I'm very interested since it's a tube power amp (2x EL84) + loadbox + great preamp on a single package with a decent price. Sounds to me like the perfect solution to use between the AMT preamp pedals that I love (on Laney's FX loop) and an impulse response, but now I wonder if the "internal loadbox" kinda sucks in terms of tone.
Thanks for this video, you're one of the few people tackling this subject.
20k subs on the way, big man.
This video is so informative! Thanks for breaking it down for us!
I went down a rabbit hole with load boxes…I have the Suhr,Fractal X-Load,and Fryette PS2……I also tried the Boss TAE,Two Notes Captor,and UA Ox….The Suhr and Fractal are my favorites,and sound very close….The Two Notes and Ox and Boss leave out the low end inductor,so the curve doesn’t look like a real speaker….The Fractal X-Load is smaller than the Suhr by the way….but it sounds nearly identical..
This comparison is good, however, via YT I felt the Suhr sounded weak and the Captor sounded much closer to the Mesa cab. In any case, I did like the higher freq response of the Suhr.
Thanks!!!
All other things being equal; the Suhr sounds a bit more grainy in the top end. Like a Greenback.
I actually prefer the Two Notes. Sounds more “modern” I think. Thanks for the video!
I was just thinking the same, the Two Notes sounds practically indistinguishable from the real cab, whereas the Suhr has some unpleasant fizzy top end.
@@lordvermintide4441 U need to use the high and low cuts more on IR's when using the suhr RL since the load on it preserves more of the amp's high end.
I have an 8ohm Hotplate with VHT Poweramp, Mesa cab V30,and EMSs, on ADAMP1. The SURH sounds very nice. Highs and mids are leveled nicer. The other is darker. With an EQ or ParaEq one might fix the freq like the SURH.
Hi , have you ever tried the Torpedo Reload? Is it the same of the captor in term of sound or which one is better? Tnx 🤟
I have the Captor and I had Fryette PS-2. I prefer the Fryette PS-2 by a good bit but I needed some cash so I sold it. The Fryette PS-2 just has so much going on for $600.
It's always hard to beat a good ol mesa oversized cab :(
I don't think Mesa knows how to make a "bad" cab....actually everything they make is ridiculous in its own right, except for maybe the OG Cab Clone...But I've heard that sound great in person as well as on a few videos.
Glenn was HATING on it, but John Petrucci used it very successfuly, mixing it dead center along with a hard panned stereo pair of Boogie 1x12 cabs off stage in an isolation booth mic'd up, and those tones were INSANELY HUGE. I trust his judgement a smidge more than Glenn's and both him and Maddi (his badass tech/sound engineer) were totally happy with the built in Cab Clone on the JP-2C heads.
I was lucky and just got hold of a remaining Fractal X-Load unit from G66 for a very good price. With a wink, they indicated that the device had no headphone jack. ;-)
captor sounds closer in high gain tone while suhr sounds closer in low/medium gain tone
having made snapshot of your sound comparison with ozone, suhr boost hi wide bell @8hkz by 3db vs the real cab, and torpedo cut hi by 5db @ 20khz down to 5khz in 6db/oct shelf.
Neat!
Did you use the cab sim on the Captor or a IR in your DAW?
The captor sounded very close to your real cabinet in this case!
the cab sounds the best but it must be ball tearingly loud.
the load boxes sounded a bit compressed/duller to me and less dynamic.
Suhr sounds really scooped in comparison. I had one and didn‘t like the amount of side noise, it was much louder than the Captor‘s fan.
Which load did you happen to dial in the amp tones for? Seems like it might have been the Captor. I have had the Captor for a while, also have the Boss TAE now, but am thinking of going with the Suhr instead (once I can find one to actually buy).
Oh and great content as always.
Do you think that I could use this loadbox on my crate xt120r solid state amplifier?
Hello! Awesome video, congrats! You clarified my doubts! Do know St.Rock react ir? Thanks
Okay so question, when recording the cab as the load, what DI did you use, the Suhr or the TwoNotes? Are the DIs pretty much identical if you are running it as a pass through with a cab as the load?
Could you use this as a ln attenuator live? Stuck between this and the waza tube amp expander
I will add I honestly preferred the suhr to the micd cab lol
How you fix negative feedback?
When you're using your suhr do you ever notice that like it's really shrill on the high end that even your neck pickup sounds twangy and single coil like and not fat and full? That seems to be the problem i'm having with mine.
Very interesting, I wonder how these would compare to the Captor X
It uses the same load as the regular Captor I believe (and the new Mesa Cab Clone as far as I know).
@@PlagueScytheStudios Do you have any experience with the Weber Mass stuff?
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Sorry for noob question, but i'm very bad at this technical stuff. Does suhr reactive load work as an attenuator or it does something else for recording? I have marshall jcm2000 100w and was thinking about getting attenuator, because it's hard for me to crank it at home at insane volumes. Does suhr reactive load is suitable for that? Thank you.
HI Mate, I am wondering if you happen to own a Peavey 5150 and have used with Suhr reactive load. I am thinking of buying a suhr RL but am not sure if it would work with 5150.
Sounds like the two notes with a sonic maximizer on it
Wow, in this demo I thought the suhr reactive load was weakest by far and blindfolded I would have chosen the two notes over it. The suhr had a brittle top end that was no match for the two notes unit imo.
Hi - where to get that Mesa IR ? Thanx
I feel the rivera rockcrusher is at least as good as the suhr, and also more or less in the price range
how does the fryette powerstation compare to these?
Why not newer Suhr Reactive Load I.R. model? any specific reason? (That's what I have!)
See the last few minutes of the video after the shootout.
Ok so it's been a month. Still liking the Suhr RL more? I've had the Captor for 6 months and I'm starting to wonder if I should upgrade as well.
That's a hard yes. I decided to keep the Captor for attenuation, as the inaccuracies don't bother me when I just need to play quietly. For direct tones though, I still vastly prefer the Suhr.
@@PlagueScytheStudios Awesome, thanks for the reply man! I liked the Suhr more based on videos but went with the Captor due to $$ reasons, and hoped that the differences wouldn't be too bad. I think it's better than amp sims of course but still leaves something to be desired.
I like all 3 lol
Can anyone tell me if the suhr reactive needs power before turning on your amp? I see the two notes needs power but is that just because it has the cab sim?
All these devices are passive. A speaker cab doesn't need external power, and neither do these as they serve the same role as far as the tube amp is concerned. DC or Phantom power is only required when there is an integrated analog cabinet simulator (like the Captor) or an impulse response loader (like the Captor X or Suhr IR).
Plague Scythe Studios I thought it might be something like that but I wasn’t 100% sure. Thankyou
I can't hear anything above 16000 hurtz!
Hope I don't upset anybody but, the Captor X shreds over the Suhr. Just my two cents...
the two notes sounds better, almost identical to the speaker. the suhr is a no go.