@@mattdanielc Nothing yet, I've been a bit busy of late but I'll be chasing them up next week. The police are supposed to reply within 10 days of the incident being reported. I'll keep you posted.
@@mattdanielc I've been away but back home now, I have a letter from the police saying they are investigating it and that it'll take time. Glad you liked the horn review. Safe cycling. 🙂👍
@@johnstonlee Not knowing the accident occurred is a defence for him / her to put forward. It can and should be treated as a fail to stop, unless / until they put that defence forward and it can be considered on its merits. Emphasises the need to make a noise when these things happen to get the driver’s attention so there is less likelihood they can just claim they didn’t know.
You were undertaking a car that was signalling to turn left. If you where unsure about the indication, ie it could have been left on from the previous, you should have held back. Please just slow a little. Cycle safe, stay alive.
Nope, I stop pedaling right at the start of the video once I'm a few metres from the back of the car. Once the driver stopped indicating I was waiting for the car to pull away. Instead the driver made a late decision to turn and braked and indicated with little notice, I braked as soon as I saw this but this was a split second after the driver braked so by nature the car slowed quicker and hence I ended up alongside.
@@007floppyboy Yes, because I make a good point. I was not trying to pass that car. If I was you'd have seen me accelerating to get by it. Don't take my word for it, look at the video, you can see by my actions.
Try using your breaks a little more. It was a 20mph zone and you were going too fast. You should not have been that close to the car. Car should also have used his mirrors but you would be difficult to spot come up at that speed along side the car.
The same thing happened to me recently. The driver and I approaching a right turn, both of us turn and all of sudden he turns left knocked me over and he didn't even stop. Thankfully the only thing that was damaged was my mech hanger.
Sorry to hear that, glad you were not hurt too bad. I do wish drivers would take more time to check their mirrors and blind spots before turning! Keep safe. 🙂👍
Nearly 100% driver fault but seems to me that you were watting out those pedals in what is a very fluid and unpredictable environment. You had 2 road users turning off and into your lane 5 senconds before this but you still doing like 30+kmph. We only cycle that speed in NL when its a clear straight often segregated lane - and that's when we are sporting, not commuting... Too fast for sure.
The GoPro makes it look faster than it was, maybe 20mph (I have a single speed so don't have much top end). I stopped pedaling soon as I caught the car that pulled out and coasted. If the indicator hadn't had stopped I'd have backed off further, however once it stopped I was just waiting for the car to pull away.
This is just a fundamental flaw in the concept of separate lanes. There is only ONE left most lane and traditionally that is used for left turns. Breaking that format causes accidents. It should be illegal to pass the last car on the outer lane while approaching an intersection. It just isn't safe. He was signaling (I can't begin to understand the discussion otherwise, he was, and re-activated it imediately) but he should have seen you and obviously shouldn't have driven off. All that is details though. Until cars are self driving or this arrangement is fundamentally changed/restricted, cyclists will keep getting hurt this way. I NEVER pass the last car approaching an intersection without slowing DRASTICALLY. It's just not safe.
I had no intention of passing him, you can see that I stopped pedaling as soon as I caught up to the rear of the car and never restart, so I'm slowing the whole time, cruising behind and to the left of the car. At the point the indicator stopped, I was expecting the car to pull away (not uncommon for cars to be slow or if junctions then pull away) so continued cruising. The driver then indicates again just a few metres from the turning, brakes (which is why I'm now alongside as the driver is on the brakes sooner than me and therefore slows faster) and turns. I haven't timed it but I uspect it's less than a second between the driver indicating and turning. I had nowhere to go. Even then I very nearly stop in time to avoid a collision, one inch shorter and he wouldn't have gone over my wheel. The driver activated the indicator, so knew it was off. Knowing that they had indicated last second, and knowing that there's a cycle lane the driver should have checked that it was clear before turning. That's inexcusable, as is driving off without stopping. The larger issue is that many people do not consider the cycle lane to be a genuine separate lane of traffic. Whether you indicate or not, if you're crossing a separate lane then you have to check it's clear first.
You did ultimately slow and you did avoid getting too hurt because of it. You didn't stay enough behind him to avoid an $80 risk and that's human nature, and he did fail to look ( or care?). That's what it all is. Yes, it may be less than a second between the indication and turn, although I think it's more. The first indication is obscured behind your arm but the camera caught the glow of the indicator just starting to light before it went behind your arm and another as it emerges past your arm. Both of these are easy to miss at full speed. It's also probably less than a second between the indicator cancelling and him re-engaging it. His indications were not the problem here. You could see that there was a second possible turn coming up faster than his ability to even get an advanced cancellation. There's no double-turn signal. But you knew that was a possibility and could allow for it. I'm not saying you were wrong. I'm just saying this kind of thing WILL keep hapening and being right wont prevent it, ever. I'm NEVER for that as an excuse (or rationale) for the driver. It's not. But complaining about what people do or don't consider isn't going to fix it. Many drivers come into the city rarely and might not even have experience with cycle lanes. Turning across a straight-going lane is NOT proper design, but you'd rather not advocate to change that because it means having to file in behind traffic at junctions. Of course driving off without stopping is criminal and inexcusable.
Fundamentally it's just an accident, and those will always happen when humans are involved. In this case, the driver failed to follow several of the rules of the Highway Code, I was not in beach of any of them. My fault was to make an incorrect assumption of the drivers intentions, a reasonable assumption based on the drivers indication but ultimately the wrong one. Thankfully I was already slow and it wasn't as bad as it could have been. That said we can't excuse drivers just because they make not know the roads. The cycle lane was clearly marked, and if you're not used to roads then you take more care, not less. And if you do have a collision you have to stop at the scene. Fortunately this sort of thing is very rare for me and I hope it never happens again.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 The problem is still this traffic configuration. So long as cyclists insist on "separate" lanes and this is our notion of "separate" and they want to be able to avoid filing in behind cars at junctions to save time, or so cars can pass by and obscure vision of cyclists at junctions, then this will keep happening. Cars would never be allowed to turn across other lanes of car traffic moving in the same direction. It isn't safe.
@@bigring6424 I don't insist on separate lanes, and in many places there are none. And I don't need a cycle lane to filter to the front at the lights, the joy of cycles being small and narrow means it's easy to filter irrespective of whether there's a lane or not. I also drive my car in London, it's very easy to identify the cycle lane and takes a second to check it's clear before turning across. There's a cycle lane across the end of my road so I turn across it every time I use my car. If there's a cycle coming I wait. It's simple, you just have to look. This driver didn't look, the infrastructure isn't to blame, it's a far simpler concept to grasp than a multi lane roundabout. The real issue here is that some drivers simply don't look for cyclists, and they should.
@@johnstonlee Of course I didn't, getting my front wheel destroyed doesn't benefit me in any way. If I knew the driver would turn again I'd have backed off way more and would never have had an incident. Car pulls out ahead, I stop pedalling and coast to see what they would do, expecting the car to pull away up the road, that's confirmed the second the indicator stopped and hence I didn't back off. Driver then flicks it back on and turns in a split second and I can't react in time. Don't get me wrong, I could have done better and if I had I wouldn't have had a front wheel squashed. Lousy driving though, unclear signalling, not checking mirrors, not giving way to a cycle lane as per the Highway Code plus leaving the scene of an accident making it a hit and run. I didn't break any laws, the driver did.
Ryan Sedgwick - London Cycling poor hazard awareness in your part I’m afraid. You knew something was up but still proceeded. Stay safe, it’s a warzone on those roads, no one owns them just share them.
@@johnstonlee As I said, If I wasn't aware it would have been a far bigger accident. My fault was to assume that the car was going to pull away down the road, backed up by several factors. The driver was unaware of the hazard and broke several driving rules. It's a good example of how people are unpredictable and you can't be too cautious.
You should check your mirror and blind spot before turning. Even more so if you realise that your indicator is off and you're crossing another lane of traffic to make your turn. You can't just slap it on and turn in the same second across a lane and just assume that other road users can read your mind.
I use a GoPro Hero 3+ Black (quite old now). I have it on a chest mount and I film at 1080p at the highest frame rate setting it has (can't remember what it is off hand). The camera will do 4k but the frame rate is rubbish so I'd rather smoother, lower Res footage.
I was holding back, you can see from my knees that I stop pedalling as soon as I initially close in on the car. When the indicator stopped I thought I knew what the driver was doing, I still don't start pedalling as I'm waiting for the car to pull away up the road. I had no desire to undertake it. The late second indication and turn, just a few meters from the junction didn't give me time or space to avoid it. I was only alongside the car as it braked before I did (as I was reacting to it) so it slowed faster. If the car had kept the indicator on I would have braked a lot earlier to hold back, knowing they would turn. Indicators auto cancel the second you straighten the wheel. The indicator stayed on longer after the initial pull out meaning that the driver planned to turn again. The driver then cancels that indicator, probably thinking that the road ahead is not the one they want. That's the point I think they are going to carry on. Then at the last minute the driver realises, in fact that is the road they wanted all along and indicates and swings in all in one move, without checking their mirror and blind spot. And that's the accident in a nutshell. It's of those things, however if the driver had looked properly (especially knowing they'd made a last minute change of mind), they would have seen a cycle on the inside in the cycle lane and would have waited before turning.
I am a cyclist in a very hilly rural Northumberland, and am somewhat envious of all those flat roads... Riding in London looks exciting as well as very dangerous, but not sure about all those fumes... Enjoying your videos, stay safe.
Thank you Colin. My route is so flat I've switched to a single speed bike. I grew up in Dover, Kent so there were huge hills which ever way you cycled and I do miss them a bit. I wear a pollution mask to try and minimise the fumes but even then I'm sure it's not great. Enjoy the fresh air where you are. Safe cycling my friend. 🙂👍
Because the driver just pulled out of a side road I was not expecting him to go back into the next one. So I relaxed too soon when his indicator stopped and that’s why I got caught out. No question though that the driver should have checked and given way to the cycle lane, plus definitely should have stopped at the scene. Thankfully just a buckled wheel was all I got. Have a nice weekend. 🙂👍🏻
Did you see the bit where I slammed into the car at full speed, catapulted over the back of it, then hit the ground and broke my collar bone and arm? No? That's because I anticipated, stopped pedalling and slowed down meaning that this was a very minor incident. Why do you feel that the driver is immune from anticipating that there may be a cycle in the cycle lane they are crossing? Immune from moderating their speed to take their time to indicate properly and with sufficient notice, to take the time to check the mirror and blind spot before making the turn?
Wrong. The law says you should indicate. They didn’t do so until the last possible moment. The law says you need to check your mirrors that it’s safe before making a manoeuvre. They didn’t. Car driver 100% in the wrong. And if you seriously hold this belief you should have your licence shredded.
So my first bike was a foldable one and a driver ran into me just like that didn't noticed any damage at the time but it started making squeaking noise So my next one will a pepper road bike lol can't wait to fit that ring bill🔔
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 guess what finally bought my road like 4 days ago it's not high end But aluminum frame with Drop bars and disc brakes will do for me😊
Nope, I stop pedaling right at the start of the video once I'm a few metres fun the back of the car. Once the driver stopped indicating I was waiting for the car to pull away. Instead the driver made a late decision to turn and braked and indicated with little notice, I braked as soon as I saw this but this was a split second after the driver braked so by nature the car slowed quicker and hence I ended up alongside.
Your obviously not looking at the same video. It doesn't matter whether you were pedalling or not , you were obviously going up the inside of the car. So in effect you were going too fast
@@nealclayton3922 *you were obviously going up the inside of the car.* So, do you suggest that every cyclist that is in a cycle lane should not move faster than the traffic in the main lane, so as not to "undertake" any cars? Btw, A cycle lane is an own separate lane which drivers are obliged to give way to if there are cyclists in them and you are not to cross that lane without making sure it is clear of traffic and safe to cross.
@@nealclayton3922 Good so you agree that I wasn't undertaking, it's possible to end up alongside without intending to undertake. I was going a perfectly sensible speed on the assumption that the car was going to go straight on and pull away up the road. A fair assumption once the indicator stopped. Has the driver continued to indicate I would have known they were going to turn and would have backed off more. So I reiterate, the incident wasn't caused by speed, it was caused by poor indication by the driver and their last minute move, combined with the driver not checking that the cycle lane they were crossing was clear.
@@k-rj740 Exactly, unfortunately cyclists are a big inconvenience to many drivers who would rather pretend they don't exist and have no rights on the road.
Lucky that you were switched on, that could have been worse. It will be interesting to hear what the Police have to say about that one, as the driver must have known that they hit you. Unbelievable that they didn't have the decency to stop and see if you weren't hurt. Glad you're OK.
Thank you. It could definitely have been a lot worse, especially if I'd been traveling faster. I can't believe that the driver didn't notice that, horrible not to stop. I guess that's the world at live in now though. Hopefully it backfires, if the driver had stopped and shared details I'd never have reported it to the police. Take care. 👍
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Their callousness may cost them a failing to stop ticket and if they say they didn't know, it should be undue care. Stay safe :)
Tough one. They indicated and then stopped which is odd. You made a quick judgement call and got it wrong. That's pretty terrible that they drove off. They must have noticed they hit you. Glad you're OK. Could have been a nasty one.
Yes, I was holding back but when the driver cancelled the indicator it looked good to go. I'm certain that the driver knew, I've reported it to the police so fingers crossed they do something as I'd like my £80 back. As you say, could have been a lot worse so I'm thankful for that.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Is it possible that the first few blinks were from the car's left turn onto the street you were on, that the turn signal had not auto-cancelled yet?
I'm glad that you're ok and you stopped (as much as is reasonably possible) given the time you had. To be fair, I'm not sure I would have tried to undertake with the left turn approaching. With so many unknown variables in that scenario, that maneuver was a bit risky.
I wasn't trying to pass the car, when the indicator stopped I expected the car to pull away. When the driver indicated and turned I couldn't stop in time and that's why I ended up alongside.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 I'm not being critical. His actions gave you very little time to react and you reacted as well as you could given the time that you had. I guess my point was and you eluded to it in your response, that I would not have assumed that he was going to pull away until after he had passed the junction or it was clear that he wouldn't turn left, signal or no signal. As cyclists, we are in the thick of it and seem to develop a much better understanding of how the roads are used than we do as drivers. That is my observation.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 thanks I cycle a similar route and want a camera for insurance purposes just in case, I have a polaroid cube laying around, might grab a chest mount like yours and try that first
@@danpadgett5318 I figure better on you chest than the helmet in the case of an accident. It's a fixed angle so the camera doesn't follow what you're looking at, however the thought of the GoPro pushing through my helmet in an accident gives me the chills so chest mount it is for me. I also use it for insurance purposes, some years back I started saving the interesting clips and making videos just as a side hobby. Safe cycling. 🙂👍
By every letter of the law the car driver is in the wrong. But this happens ALL the time. You shouldn't put yourself in potential situations like this by just ploughing down the inside of vehicles. A dotted line marking a bike lane gives you no protection whatsoever. Drivers are also allowed to cross that line when turning or avoiding obstructions in their own lane. Something you're taught on a defensive riding/driving course is to expect every car to do this, hang back and give yourself somewhere to go. The letter of the law is no good at all when you've been flattened.
It's always a risk, in the 14+ years I've been commuting daily by bike from London, that's the first time I've had such a collision. I got caught out by poor signalling and observation by the driver. It's a good example for other cyclists of how easy it is to get caught out even when experienced. It's not as fast as it looks, GoPros give a false impression of speed.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 With respect, you allowed yourself to be caught out by the driver after positioning your bike somewhere it should never have been in a million years. It's a good example to other cyclists of why you should hang back behind a vehicle, so that if/when they do something stupid like this you can just shake your head at them and carry on...
@@timclark4195 You can see from my knees, the second the car pulls out ahead that I stop pedalling. I was planning on hanging behind until the car pulled away, and at the point the indicator stopped I relaxed when I should have braked. And then it was too late. Doesn't matter how much experience you have, anyone can get caught out.
Sorry cyclist but YOU are in the wrong as not taking care. That was obvious that would happen. This is why you should pay road tax and have insurance and number plates. I hope the car you damaged with your poor riding skills was ok
Yes the cyclist was wrong, but its not road tax, its excise duty for how polluting your vehicle is. so please stop using this bull shit excuse that all car drivers use.
When the driver stopped indicating it was not obvious. That's why cars have indicators, if it was obvious what drivers were going to do then we wouldn't need indicators. The driver broke several rules of the Highway Code buy not giving sufficient notice of turning, by not checking the mirror and blind spot before turning, by pulling across another lane (the cycle lane) without checking out was clear, by failing to stop at the scene of a collision. I do pay road fund tax (I also have a car), I also have insurance for my cycle. If the driver had bothered to stop we could have exchanged details.
Cult Watch: *Sorry cyclist but YOU are in the wrong* & *This is why you should pay road tax and have insurance and number plates.* Stop with the victim blaming, and best stop with that level of ignorance. No one in the UK pays road tax, as that is a type of tax that was abolished in 1937. What drivers do pay, however, is a tax that is based on a vehicle's emission (Known as VED\vehicle excise duty). The more emission a vehicle lets out, the more you pay. That is why owners of electrical vehicles pay no tax on their vehicle, just as cyclists pay no tax on their bicycle because their vehicle does not let out any emission. You don't need a license or compulsory insurance to ride a bicycle, because riding a bike imposes a very little risk to the public - to other people lives and their properties. Driving does impose a high risk, no matter if you drive a car or a motorcycle, and that is why one needs a license and compulsory insurance to operate such vehicles. That being said, research does show that most cyclists have a license to drive (It is estimated between 80%-90% have it) and many cyclists have insurance on their bicycle (Bicycle insurance is very cheap, and many have it through their home insurance). Did you also know that there are many many motorized vehicles out there without insurance being used on the road? It is said that there are more uninsured drivers on the road than uninsured cyclists. I highly recommend you to read about the license and insurance part for cyclists online, as there are many great articles out there explaining why license or compulsory insurance and registration plates for cyclists is both pointless and harmful against cycling.
@@k-rj740 Thank you for this. Unfortunately we are faced with many people who simply believe that cyclists shouldn't be on the road at all, and therefore any incident involving a cyclist must be the fault of the rider as they shouldn't be there in the first place. Their arguments are typically full of hypocrisy, as you point out, and are driven by a pathological hatred of cyclists rather than logic. I don't know what drives that hatred, there are bad cyclists out there that break the rules of the road , so that could be a reason, however that's a human condition not limited to cyclists. There is just as large a proportion of bad car drivers breaking the rules, speeding, on their phones, running reds etc. So I don't think that's the key driver. Like most prejudices I suspect it's driven by some form of insecurity or jealousy. Not nice to see but typical, I encounter it every day. However it's nice to see it balanced by rational posters like yourself. Have a great day. 🙂👍
The indicator self cancelled as the car straightened up out of the initial turn. The driver then re-applied it for the next left. He did fail to check his n/s mirror before making the turn across you but could be forgiven for not expecting you to suddenly appear. You can't know peoples level of skill/experience in the car at first glance and it is unwise to assume (especially when you are as vulnerable as you are on a bike). You have to accept some of the blame there. Not trying to be confrontational, just an opinion.
If we keep having these level of standards then we will always have accidents, crashes and at worst, fatalities. Everyone must be equipped at a high level to drive carefully. Even if it means practicing in spare time.
What is too fast is to indicate and flick your car into a turn a split second later without checking it's clear. The incident was caused by the driver failing to give sufficient indication of a turn, failing to check mirror and blind spot, failing to take due care when crossing another lane of traffic then failing to stop at the scene of an accident. I'm not cycling fast at all at that point, you can see from my knees that I stop cycling at the start of that video and am just rolling waiting for that car to pull away down the road (fair assumption once the indicator stopped). If I'd been pedaling full speed and tried to zip past the inside of that car I'd have had a big crash and would have gone over the top of the car. Because I'm alert and careful it was a minor incident where I didn't even come off the bike, and was only one inch away from there not being any contact at all! I know people like you believe everything is the cyclist's fault because you get a funny feeling when you see lycra and have to lash out so that you feel like a real man again! 😉
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 ''people like me'' People like me can distinguish between cycling in an ideal world and cycling in the real world - you can't.
@@leetaylor9368 I've been cycling through Central London daily for the last 13+ years. Trust me, I understand the real world. How long have you been cycling through London?
@@leetaylor9368 Plenty of evidence to back my claim, just look at all the misses compilations on my channel. There's a reason they are misses, because of my real world experience. Where's your evidence that you know how to cycle in the real world? Do you even cycle, or is it a case of appeal to armchair expert fallacy on your side?
@@GenericPurpleTurtle No, they said there wasn't enough evidence to convict. Probably wanted me to arrest the driver and bring him in along with a signed confession! 😉
@@GenericPurpleTurtle I guess the police are very busy and, as nobody was hurt they weren't bothered to look into it. Very disappointing but that's life I guess.
I wasn't undertaking the car, I had stopped pedalling as soon as I caught that car. As it stopped indicating I was cruising waiting for it to pull away down the road. If this driver doesn't have the capability to indicate with sufficient notice, to check the mirror and blind spot before turning them they shouldn't be on the road! That's one of the first things they teach you in driving lessons!
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 your arguement holds no water ,what difference does it make if you was peddling you could have been going down a hill ? The fact is the undertook him ! Ie: your front wheel passed the back of his vehicle on the inside. Your full of excuses,
@@peteramberley9952 There's no hill! It's flat there. There are no excuses, it's about intent. If I was going to undertake that car I'd have kept pedaling and passed. And legally I have every right to do that. As it was I didn't want to take the risk and had no intent on passing that car. I stopped pedaling once I reached the car and waited for it to pull away up the road. Cars are much faster than cycles and, as the driver had stopped indicating that was a fair assumption. I only end up alongside the car because at the last minute it brakes and turns unexpectedly.
Yes, that's the worst bit. If the driver had stopped and said sorry and we'd exchanged details etc then it's just one of those things. I've reported it to the police now so we'll see what happens with it.
Shame, we need new laws - assumed liability which basically stops SMIDSY and SMIDGAF assaults, and make it the law that’s vehicles MUST allow vulnerable road users to proceed around you before turning
As more of us carry cameras, hopefully people will at least think that they may end up in camera, and take more care out of fear of prosecution (as consideration is beyond some people). Keep safe. 🙂👍
I wasn’t trying to undertake. The car pulled out of a side road ahead with indicator flashing from that turn, you see from my knees that I stop pedalling and hold at the rear of the car to see what the driver does, the indicator cancels. So at that point, in answer to your question I expect the car to pull away down the street. Cars are faster than cycles so he would have pulled away, hence no undertaking. Instead the driver brakes, indicates and turns all in a split second. Has not checked mirrors, blind spots etc. Has ignored the rule that the driver must give way to the cycle lane and cuts me up. Thankfully I was able to react in time to prevent a more serious collision. I only end up alongside the car because it brakes unexpectedly, not because I was attempting to pass.
Funny isn’t it. Riding a bike and driving makes you more observant and you look for other vulnerable road users including bikes, pedestrians and animals. Seems just driving a car causes tunnel vision, entitlement and man child syndrome.
@@Tox1415 I'd agree, the cycling head made me far more aware when driving. Generally with mobile phones, sat nav and the various infotainment options in cars these days there's so much to distract drivers, and many are happy to be distracted.
I was expecting the driver to pull away down the road, when his indicator stopped that’s what it looked like. Then the driver indicated again and pulled across without looking. Bad driving plus I misread the situation. Fortunately not too bad.
Thank you. Luckily Evens Cycles were able to fit me in that day for a new wheel and brake rotor so I was able to cycle back home that evening. Have a great day
Had the indicator stayed on, then yes. However it then flicks off, and at that point it looked like it was still flashing from initial pull out onto the main road, and that the driver would now pull away down the road. From the point the driver re-engaged the the indicator it was only a split second before they turned. So it wasn't clear, it's at least equally as likely that the indicator would have remained off and the driver carried on straight down the main road. It's a good example of how you can never rely on assumptions, and how important it is for drivers to check their mirrors before turning, especially when crossing a cycle lane where they are supposed to give way.
How? The car had stopped indicating therefore effectively signalling their intention to go straight on. I was in a separate cycle lane, I'd stopped pedalling and was cruising waiting for the car to pull away. Which rule was I breaching at that point? The driver then indicated again, braked and turned across a separate cycle lane all in one second. Have a look in the Highway Code, it outlines that you have to give sufficient notice when indicating, you have to check your mirrors and blind spot before turning, you have to be aware of cyclists and motorbikes being on your inside before turning. The driver was in beach of all of those. Even if I hadn't been on the inside they still breached those. Even if there was no cyclist there, think you'd pass your driving test if you did that with the examiner in the car? I reacted best I could in the one second the driver gave me but there's not much else I could do.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 the car has self cancelling indicators which probley turned off when steering went straight which i guess the driver re indicated at that time,you were lucky you wasnt hurt,but i hope you learnt too slow down and be more allert aswell from this unfortunate accident, you are not blameless and im sure you would have failed your test if you undertook someone on your driving test.
@@peteramberley9952 Excellent point, the self cancellation of the car is cancelling the drivers indication to pull out of the side road initially. That indication was not for the second turn in. The driver gave less that one second indication for the second turn. Do you think you would pass your driving test turning like that? With less than a second of notice, no mirror or blind spot check before turning across a cycle lane? I was not trying to undertake the car, look at my knees, I stop pedaling once I reach the car. I'm waiting for it to pull away way down the road, which once that initial indicator stops, is what the car is signalling it is going to do.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 shame you couldnt apply this logic to the way you ride! And stop trying to hide behind the fact you under took him! A car driver has to be aware of a lot of things on the road also infront of him and to the side not just some idiot flying up the inside of him you put yourself in this situation by your aggressive cycling
@@peteramberley9952 I didn't undertake the car, my front wheel ended up alongside the cars rear wheel due to it braking and turning at the last minute. If the driver had given sufficient indication and notice that they were turning left I'd have dropped right back. And yes, car drivers very much have to watch out for cyclists, and have to give way to the cycle lane when turning across it. Have a read of the Highway Code: 182 Use your mirrors and give a left-turn signal well before you turn left. Do not overtake just before you turn left and watch out for traffic coming up on your left before you make the turn, especially if driving a large vehicle. Cyclists, motorcyclists and other road users in particular may be hidden from your view. 183 When turning keep as close to the left as is safe and practicable give way to any vehicles using a bus lane, cycle lane or tramway from either direction. Those are the rules my friend, and the driver did not follow them. If you don't like that, take it up with the Highways Authority, not me!
It’s your fault, why would you undertake at that speed approaching a left turn with a car on your right without being fully aware, totally your fault, you should be more aware of what might happen when you ride irresponsibly
I wasn't undertaking, the car stopped indicating so I was expecting it to pull away. You can see from my knees that I stop pedaling once after it pulls out in front of me. I only end up alongside because the driver brakes suddenly. Secondly, how can it be totally my fault when the Highway Code States that, when turning you have to give way to any vehicle using a cycle lane (last bit of the extract below)? The driver did not follow rules 182 or 183 below. Even if I was undertaking (which I wasn't), the driver is still at fault as they are crossing a cycle lane to make the turn and haven't checked the mirror, given sufficient indication or given way. 182 Use your mirrors and give a left-turn signal well before you turn left. Do not overtake just before you turn left and watch out for traffic coming up on your left before you make the turn, especially if driving a large vehicle. Cyclists, motorcyclists and other road users in particular may be hidden from your view. 183 When turning keep as close to the left as is safe and practicable give way to any vehicles using a bus lane, cycle lane or tramway from either direction.
Miss-read that drivers intentions, and the driver didn’t indicate properly or check mirrors etc. Fortunately a minor incident but far closer than I would have liked.
The general common sense of the road says ... if you can stop in time you didn't give the other vehicle enough distance or yourself enough distance! As a motorcyclist, I'm astounded by your approach to riding and putting yourself in positions with no way out. It's call anticipation and reading the road ahead. Hazzard perception in the driving world! .. and you think you have it, but on many occasions show you haven't. You always second guess and assume what the other driver is going to do rather than assess the option of what they MAY do! The more of your videos I watch, the worse my opinion of you and your common sense becomes. That said the car driver should have used their inside mirror to check before turning in, but like motorcycles, a quick glance doesn't always see small frontal area obstacles (at speed) coming up the inside. Ride more for the conditions and environment, not for your own mad rush to get from A to B and ride safely!
I avoided a more serious incident here, it was minor, just a slightly buckled wheel. Very poor driving and indicating, plus the driver leaving the scene of a collision as they likely knew they were in the wrong. I was expecting the car to pull away up the road, an expectation strengthened when the indicator cancelled after the driver pulled out.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Ryan, you need to step back and start looking at your own actions. Every reply you give on YT is the same ... you never think you were in the wrong, yet the same situations arise time and time again and its always someone elses fault. Change your riding style and make these 'events' less common. You are 50% of the problem here too. Until you take off your blinkers and see that, nothing will change ... unless of course you crave the YT attention you seem to get by putting yourself in danger and posting this stuff! I've ridden a motorbike for 40 years, had one guy pull out off a junction in front of me, which I avoided due to 'anticipation". 1 in 40 years! You're either 'unlucky' or your making your own bad luck! Please analyse your own riding, there is a lot to improve on. Stay safe.
@@simonbaxter8001 I have the same reply because in all my incidents I am following the rules and looking where I’m going. The incidents are caused by the other road user ignoring the rules and not looking. A lot of commenters on here are hypocrites, their view is that it’s fine for other road users to ignore the rules, cyclists have to take responsibility for that. Always the cyclists fault. My view is that it’s everyone’s responsibility to follow the rules and not cause incidents. Hence I continue to put up videos showing the danger caused when people ignore the rules. It’s a very fair point that just because you follow the rules doesn’t make it safe, you have to adjust for incidents happening around you. I do this, and I have very few issues. This video is one of the rare times I misread the situation and got it wrong. Still was minor however and still the cause was this driver not following the rules, not indicating properly, not checking mirrors, not giving way when turning across a cycle lane. Had that driver driven properly this would never have happened.
I was not attempting to overtake, as soon as I catch that car I stop pedaling, when the indicator stops I was waiting and expecting the car to pull away up the road (as cars are a lot faster than cycles). Soon as the indicator went back on I braked but as the driver gave insufficient notice, and braked and indicated at the same time, I ended up alongside as the car turned into the corner. Poor driving by the driver, poor indication plus did not check the mirror or blind spot, plus the Highway Code states that you must give way to a cycle lane before turning across it. Is that how you drive?
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 If you were not about to overtake and not speeding, you would not have hit each other. Typical cyclist to think that because the car drivers error frees yourself from responsibility.
@@marauderslide5782 I was not speeding, the speed limit on that road is 30mph, I can get max 25mph out of that bike. At that point I was doing about 20, 10mph below the speed limit. If I had continued to pedal and tried to pass the car, I would have slammed into it at speed, probably flipped over it or smashed through the window and would have ended up in hospital. Because I was neither speeding or overtaking, I was about to react to the late indication and make this incident a very minor one, no thanks to the driver.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Primarily not speeding is to adjust your speed to the traffic situation. Secondly to be below the speed limit. Your 20 mph is way above a safe speed in that situation.
@@marauderslide5782 Not on the assumption that the car was going to pull away down the road at 30mph at the point of stopped indicating. This incident was caused by poor indication and observation by the driver, not by my speed.
0:12 some very bad driving by that car! Pulls out on you then cuts across you. I would say with the car signalling wait behind HOWEVER you did not have any time to slow down this stupid muppet
The car didnt" pull out on him " at know time did it inconvenience him cause him too swerve or stop peddling or brake he is using this to excuse him undertaking.
@@peteramberley9952 I don't have an issue with the pull out, but you can see that I do have to stop pedaling. So it has forced me to slow. On my driving lessons many years ago I was told that if you pull out and you cause the oncoming traffic to slow then you didn't have a sufficient gap. In the reality of a London rush hour however, it's rare that you get a "sufficient" gap. So I've no issue with that.
I had no intention of undertaking that car, once the indicator stopped I was coasting, waiting for the car to pull away up the road. When the driver executed a last minute turn I only end up alongside as I don't have enough time to stop.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 If you were not planning on undertaking ,why do you keep pedalling for so long after the car pulls out, move into the cycle lane and get dangerously close to the car?
@@happyface6004 Cars are faster than bikes, normally when cars pull out of junctions they accelerate away. This one pulls away slowly so I stop pedaling once I catch up with it. If the indicator had stayed on I'd have braked and hung back as we got up to the junction. The indicator cancelled and stayed off for a couple of seconds so I continued to coast still waiting for the car to pull away. This is why indicating is so important. There was 0.45 of a second between the indicator coming back on and the car crossing the cycle lane. That's not sufficient indication.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 so you wrongly assumed that the car was going to pull away, and wrongly assumed that they were not turning because the indicator had cancelled. How are your wrong assumptions not your mistake?
@@happyface6004 Because that is what the car is indicating. When the indicator cancelled the driver is telling me that they are not going to turn. If they are not going to turn the fair assumption is that they are going to go straight on. When you drive your car and come to a controlled stop at a red light, you have a fair assumption that the car behind you is paying attention, and won't drive into the back of you. You can't know for certain. After you saying that it's your fault if the car behind drives into the back of you because you assumed they would stop?
The car's indicator remains on for a few seconds after it pulls out of the junction, then it stops. At that point I believe that the car is going straight on so I continue along the cycle lane. The car then starts to indicate again a split second before turning, at that point I've committed and am alongside and do not have time to stop. Regardless of this, the driver should be checking the inside mirror before turning in, had they had done so they would have seen that there was a cyclist alongside.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 I'm thinking this guy is either a complete idiot or a troll. I hope he doesn't drive in any case. Glad you got through that without injury.
@@edism I think the two often go hand in hand! 😉 Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, may not have watched it closely. Thanks for your wishes, thankfully a minor incident but could have been worse. The bike was fixed same day so just about to hop back on it for another exciting trip to work! 🚴👍 Have a great day.
He re-indicated almost instantly. He should have looked obviously, but this is just a dangerous situation. Many drivers are simply not used to turning across fast traffic in non-turn lanes. It's not a safe situation and cyclists (and I'm a daily lycra wearing one) would be smart to recognize that and develop practical solutions, instead of just insisting on never waiting for traffic.
Guy is obviously in the wrong but I can't help but say that you brought it on yourself. Why were you going so quick? To get to work 5 minutes earlier? Don't put your life at risk for something so petty.
The GoPro makes it look faster than it is. I was cycling at approximately 20mph, at the start of the video you can see my knees pumping. Soon as I catch the car I stop pedaling and coast, assuming that the driver will accelerate up to 30mph and pull away, as the indicator cancels I think that my assumption is correct and the car will pull away. Then I'm caught out when the driver slows, indicates and turns with very little notice and I can't stop in time. 20mph on that road is perfectly reasonable, the cars are typically doing 30mph along that stretch. I just got caught out by a bad piece of driving.
I hope this was reported to the police. In any event you can make a civil claim.
Absolutely, wouldn't have needed to if the driver stopped but I have no choice now. Hopefully they do something about it.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 any update mate? thanks for your review of the horn by the way - how I found you :)
@@mattdanielc Nothing yet, I've been a bit busy of late but I'll be chasing them up next week. The police are supposed to reply within 10 days of the incident being reported. I'll keep you posted.
@@mattdanielc I've been away but back home now, I have a letter from the police saying they are investigating it and that it'll take time. Glad you liked the horn review. Safe cycling. 🙂👍
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007
Amy further updates?
Surely that’s classed as failing to stop after an accident?!
Definitely, I've reported it to the police as such.
No as the driver wasn’t aware that an accident occurred
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 And what's the aftermath??
@@DavidChurcheese Not enough evidence to convict, ie they don’t have the resources to look into it.
@@johnstonlee Not knowing the accident occurred is a defence for him / her to put forward. It can and should be treated as a fail to stop, unless / until they put that defence forward and it can be considered on its merits. Emphasises the need to make a noise when these things happen to get the driver’s attention so there is less likelihood they can just claim they didn’t know.
You were undertaking a car that was signalling to turn left. If you where unsure about the indication, ie it could have been left on from the previous, you should have held back. Please just slow a little. Cycle safe, stay alive.
Nope, I stop pedaling right at the start of the video once I'm a few metres from the back of the car. Once the driver stopped indicating I was waiting for the car to pull away. Instead the driver made a late decision to turn and braked and indicated with little notice, I braked as soon as I saw this but this was a split second after the driver braked so by nature the car slowed quicker and hence I ended up alongside.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Pointless replying.
@@007floppyboy Yes, because I make a good point. I was not trying to pass that car. If I was you'd have seen me accelerating to get by it. Don't take my word for it, look at the video, you can see by my actions.
Undertaking at a junction. Both a bit at fault if you ask me.
Try using your breaks a little more. It was a 20mph zone and you were going too fast. You should not have been that close to the car. Car should also have used his mirrors but you would be difficult to spot come up at that speed along side the car.
The same thing happened to me recently. The driver and I approaching a right turn, both of us turn and all of sudden he turns left knocked me over and he didn't even stop. Thankfully the only thing that was damaged was my mech hanger.
Sorry to hear that, glad you were not hurt too bad. I do wish drivers would take more time to check their mirrors and blind spots before turning! Keep safe. 🙂👍
Nearly 100% driver fault but seems to me that you were watting out those pedals in what is a very fluid and unpredictable environment. You had 2 road users turning off and into your lane 5 senconds before this but you still doing like 30+kmph. We only cycle that speed in NL when its a clear straight often segregated lane - and that's when we are sporting, not commuting... Too fast for sure.
The GoPro makes it look faster than it was, maybe 20mph (I have a single speed so don't have much top end). I stopped pedaling soon as I caught the car that pulled out and coasted. If the indicator hadn't had stopped I'd have backed off further, however once it stopped I was just waiting for the car to pull away.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 20 mph is 30km+ 😂😂
This is just a fundamental flaw in the concept of separate lanes. There is only ONE left most lane and traditionally that is used for left turns. Breaking that format causes accidents. It should be illegal to pass the last car on the outer lane while approaching an intersection. It just isn't safe. He was signaling (I can't begin to understand the discussion otherwise, he was, and re-activated it imediately) but he should have seen you and obviously shouldn't have driven off. All that is details though. Until cars are self driving or this arrangement is fundamentally changed/restricted, cyclists will keep getting hurt this way. I NEVER pass the last car approaching an intersection without slowing DRASTICALLY. It's just not safe.
I had no intention of passing him, you can see that I stopped pedaling as soon as I caught up to the rear of the car and never restart, so I'm slowing the whole time, cruising behind and to the left of the car.
At the point the indicator stopped, I was expecting the car to pull away (not uncommon for cars to be slow or if junctions then pull away) so continued cruising.
The driver then indicates again just a few metres from the turning, brakes (which is why I'm now alongside as the driver is on the brakes sooner than me and therefore slows faster) and turns. I haven't timed it but I uspect it's less than a second between the driver indicating and turning. I had nowhere to go. Even then I very nearly stop in time to avoid a collision, one inch shorter and he wouldn't have gone over my wheel.
The driver activated the indicator, so knew it was off. Knowing that they had indicated last second, and knowing that there's a cycle lane the driver should have checked that it was clear before turning. That's inexcusable, as is driving off without stopping.
The larger issue is that many people do not consider the cycle lane to be a genuine separate lane of traffic. Whether you indicate or not, if you're crossing a separate lane then you have to check it's clear first.
You did ultimately slow and you did avoid getting too hurt because of it. You didn't stay enough behind him to avoid an $80 risk and that's human nature, and he did fail to look ( or care?). That's what it all is.
Yes, it may be less than a second between the indication and turn, although I think it's more. The first indication is obscured behind your arm but the camera caught the glow of the indicator just starting to light before it went behind your arm and another as it emerges past your arm. Both of these are easy to miss at full speed. It's also probably less than a second between the indicator cancelling and him re-engaging it. His indications were not the problem here. You could see that there was a second possible turn coming up faster than his ability to even get an advanced cancellation. There's no double-turn signal. But you knew that was a possibility and could allow for it. I'm not saying you were wrong. I'm just saying this kind of thing WILL keep hapening and being right wont prevent it, ever. I'm NEVER for that as an excuse (or rationale) for the driver. It's not. But complaining about what people do or don't consider isn't going to fix it. Many drivers come into the city rarely and might not even have experience with cycle lanes. Turning across a straight-going lane is NOT proper design, but you'd rather not advocate to change that because it means having to file in behind traffic at junctions.
Of course driving off without stopping is criminal and inexcusable.
Fundamentally it's just an accident, and those will always happen when humans are involved.
In this case, the driver failed to follow several of the rules of the Highway Code, I was not in beach of any of them. My fault was to make an incorrect assumption of the drivers intentions, a reasonable assumption based on the drivers indication but ultimately the wrong one. Thankfully I was already slow and it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
That said we can't excuse drivers just because they make not know the roads. The cycle lane was clearly marked, and if you're not used to roads then you take more care, not less. And if you do have a collision you have to stop at the scene. Fortunately this sort of thing is very rare for me and I hope it never happens again.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 The problem is still this traffic configuration. So long as cyclists insist on "separate" lanes and this is our notion of "separate" and they want to be able to avoid filing in behind cars at junctions to save time, or so cars can pass by and obscure vision of cyclists at junctions, then this will keep happening. Cars would never be allowed to turn across other lanes of car traffic moving in the same direction. It isn't safe.
@@bigring6424 I don't insist on separate lanes, and in many places there are none. And I don't need a cycle lane to filter to the front at the lights, the joy of cycles being small and narrow means it's easy to filter irrespective of whether there's a lane or not.
I also drive my car in London, it's very easy to identify the cycle lane and takes a second to check it's clear before turning across. There's a cycle lane across the end of my road so I turn across it every time I use my car. If there's a cycle coming I wait. It's simple, you just have to look. This driver didn't look, the infrastructure isn't to blame, it's a far simpler concept to grasp than a multi lane roundabout. The real issue here is that some drivers simply don't look for cyclists, and they should.
You need a cycle safe course mate. Absolute maniac, no hazard awareness.
Well I could have kept pedalling and would have gone over that car without any awareness...
Ryan Sedgwick - London Cycling you knew all day long that was going to happen.
@@johnstonlee Of course I didn't, getting my front wheel destroyed doesn't benefit me in any way. If I knew the driver would turn again I'd have backed off way more and would never have had an incident.
Car pulls out ahead, I stop pedalling and coast to see what they would do, expecting the car to pull away up the road, that's confirmed the second the indicator stopped and hence I didn't back off. Driver then flicks it back on and turns in a split second and I can't react in time.
Don't get me wrong, I could have done better and if I had I wouldn't have had a front wheel squashed. Lousy driving though, unclear signalling, not checking mirrors, not giving way to a cycle lane as per the Highway Code plus leaving the scene of an accident making it a hit and run. I didn't break any laws, the driver did.
Ryan Sedgwick - London Cycling poor hazard awareness in your part I’m afraid. You knew something was up but still proceeded. Stay safe, it’s a warzone on those roads, no one owns them just share them.
@@johnstonlee As I said, If I wasn't aware it would have been a far bigger accident. My fault was to assume that the car was going to pull away down the road, backed up by several factors. The driver was unaware of the hazard and broke several driving rules.
It's a good example of how people are unpredictable and you can't be too cautious.
In my opinion you could have overtaken him. Sometimes car indicators do stop accidentally, he realised and corrected as you went into his blindspot.
You should check your mirror and blind spot before turning. Even more so if you realise that your indicator is off and you're crossing another lane of traffic to make your turn.
You can't just slap it on and turn in the same second across a lane and just assume that other road users can read your mind.
BigAl 1664 he wanted to make a point
Hi Ryan I just wanted to know what camera you use as I was wanting to get one for this exact reason. Thanks!👍
I use a GoPro Hero 3+ Black (quite old now). I have it on a chest mount and I film at 1080p at the highest frame rate setting it has (can't remember what it is off hand). The camera will do 4k but the frame rate is rubbish so I'd rather smoother, lower Res footage.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 ok thanks
@@magnusking7436 Most welcome. The newer GoPro models will likely be much better on resolution, frame rate, battery life etc.
I don't see the point of going on the inside of the car. Their intentions were vague, why not hold back until you know what they are doing?
I was holding back, you can see from my knees that I stop pedalling as soon as I initially close in on the car.
When the indicator stopped I thought I knew what the driver was doing, I still don't start pedalling as I'm waiting for the car to pull away up the road. I had no desire to undertake it. The late second indication and turn, just a few meters from the junction didn't give me time or space to avoid it. I was only alongside the car as it braked before I did (as I was reacting to it) so it slowed faster.
If the car had kept the indicator on I would have braked a lot earlier to hold back, knowing they would turn.
Indicators auto cancel the second you straighten the wheel. The indicator stayed on longer after the initial pull out meaning that the driver planned to turn again. The driver then cancels that indicator, probably thinking that the road ahead is not the one they want. That's the point I think they are going to carry on. Then at the last minute the driver realises, in fact that is the road they wanted all along and indicates and swings in all in one move, without checking their mirror and blind spot. And that's the accident in a nutshell.
It's of those things, however if the driver had looked properly (especially knowing they'd made a last minute change of mind), they would have seen a cycle on the inside in the cycle lane and would have waited before turning.
What is the vehicle reg? My presumption is that they drove off due to not wanting to interact with the police due to prior legal "issues"...
The police now have the registration plus the video, so hopefully they can catch up with the driver.
I am a cyclist in a very hilly rural Northumberland, and am somewhat envious of all those flat roads... Riding in London looks exciting as well as very dangerous, but not sure about all those fumes... Enjoying your videos, stay safe.
Thank you Colin. My route is so flat I've switched to a single speed bike. I grew up in Dover, Kent so there were huge hills which ever way you cycled and I do miss them a bit. I wear a pollution mask to try and minimise the fumes but even then I'm sure it's not great. Enjoy the fresh air where you are. Safe cycling my friend. 🙂👍
Could argue all day long who's right/wrong. If it was me I would of hung back. Never know what people are going to do.
Because the driver just pulled out of a side road I was not expecting him to go back into the next one. So I relaxed too soon when his indicator stopped and that’s why I got caught out.
No question though that the driver should have checked and given way to the cycle lane, plus definitely should have stopped at the scene.
Thankfully just a buckled wheel was all I got.
Have a nice weekend. 🙂👍🏻
And that is why you should anticipate better and moderate your speed.
Did you see the bit where I slammed into the car at full speed, catapulted over the back of it, then hit the ground and broke my collar bone and arm? No? That's because I anticipated, stopped pedalling and slowed down meaning that this was a very minor incident.
Why do you feel that the driver is immune from anticipating that there may be a cycle in the cycle lane they are crossing? Immune from moderating their speed to take their time to indicate properly and with sufficient notice, to take the time to check the mirror and blind spot before making the turn?
Just because someone else makes a mistake, does not mean that you are flawless.
Ryan Sedgwick - London Cycling you made a meal of it to make your point.
Wrong.
The law says you should indicate. They didn’t do so until the last possible moment.
The law says you need to check your mirrors that it’s safe before making a manoeuvre. They didn’t.
Car driver 100% in the wrong. And if you seriously hold this belief you should have your licence shredded.
So my first bike was a foldable one and a driver ran into me just like that didn't noticed any damage at the time but it started making squeaking noise
So my next one will a pepper road bike lol can't wait to fit that ring bill🔔
Good luck mate, keep safe. 🙂👍
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 guess what finally
bought my road like 4 days ago it's not high end
But aluminum frame with
Drop bars and disc brakes will do for me😊
@@The--Ghostspider66 Congratulations mate, sounds perfect, hope you enjoy riding it. Keep safe! 🙂👍
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 thanks😊
It is folded now.
I have now watched this several times and I'm sorry but you were attempting to undertake the car.
Nope, I stop pedaling right at the start of the video once I'm a few metres fun the back of the car. Once the driver stopped indicating I was waiting for the car to pull away. Instead the driver made a late decision to turn and braked and indicated with little notice, I braked as soon as I saw this but this was a split second after the driver braked so by nature the car slowed quicker and hence I ended up alongside.
Your obviously not looking at the same video. It doesn't matter whether you were pedalling or not , you were obviously going up the inside of the car. So in effect you were going too fast
@@nealclayton3922 *you were obviously going up the inside of the car.* So, do you suggest that every cyclist that is in a cycle lane should not move faster than the traffic in the main lane, so as not to "undertake" any cars?
Btw, A cycle lane is an own separate lane which drivers are obliged to give way to if there are cyclists in them and you are not to cross that lane without making sure it is clear of traffic and safe to cross.
@@nealclayton3922 Good so you agree that I wasn't undertaking, it's possible to end up alongside without intending to undertake. I was going a perfectly sensible speed on the assumption that the car was going to go straight on and pull away up the road. A fair assumption once the indicator stopped. Has the driver continued to indicate I would have known they were going to turn and would have backed off more.
So I reiterate, the incident wasn't caused by speed, it was caused by poor indication by the driver and their last minute move, combined with the driver not checking that the cycle lane they were crossing was clear.
@@k-rj740 Exactly, unfortunately cyclists are a big inconvenience to many drivers who would rather pretend they don't exist and have no rights on the road.
Lucky that you were switched on, that could have been worse. It will be interesting to hear what the Police have to say about that one, as the driver must have known that they hit you. Unbelievable that they didn't have the decency to stop and see if you weren't hurt.
Glad you're OK.
Thank you. It could definitely have been a lot worse, especially if I'd been traveling faster. I can't believe that the driver didn't notice that, horrible not to stop. I guess that's the world at live in now though. Hopefully it backfires, if the driver had stopped and shared details I'd never have reported it to the police. Take care. 👍
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Their callousness may cost them a failing to stop ticket and if they say they didn't know, it should be undue care. Stay safe :)
@@tonetoobtwo Thanks mate, you too.
@@tonetoobtwo Exactly. They're in trouble whether they noticed or not.
Tough one. They indicated and then stopped which is odd. You made a quick judgement call and got it wrong. That's pretty terrible that they drove off. They must have noticed they hit you. Glad you're OK. Could have been a nasty one.
Yes, I was holding back but when the driver cancelled the indicator it looked good to go. I'm certain that the driver knew, I've reported it to the police so fingers crossed they do something as I'd like my £80 back. As you say, could have been a lot worse so I'm thankful for that.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Is it possible that the first few blinks were from the car's left turn onto the street you were on, that the turn signal had not auto-cancelled yet?
@@paulflory3532 I think that's likely.
Tom Byrd-I wonder if the driver moved the steering wheel enough to cancel the turn signal.
I'm glad that you're ok and you stopped (as much as is reasonably possible) given the time you had. To be fair, I'm not sure I would have tried to undertake with the left turn approaching. With so many unknown variables in that scenario, that maneuver was a bit risky.
I wasn't trying to pass the car, when the indicator stopped I expected the car to pull away. When the driver indicated and turned I couldn't stop in time and that's why I ended up alongside.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 I'm not being critical. His actions gave you very little time to react and you reacted as well as you could given the time that you had. I guess my point was and you eluded to it in your response, that I would not have assumed that he was going to pull away until after he had passed the junction or it was clear that he wouldn't turn left, signal or no signal. As cyclists, we are in the thick of it and seem to develop a much better understanding of how the roads are used than we do as drivers. That is my observation.
@@CycleInLondon I agree, you develop a bit of a sixth sense. Cycle safe my friend. 🚴🙂👍
Hi Mate, what camera do you use?
Hi, I use a GoPro Hero 3+ Black. It's getting old now but still does a great job.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 thanks I cycle a similar route and want a camera for insurance purposes just in case, I have a polaroid cube laying around, might grab a chest mount like yours and try that first
@@danpadgett5318 I figure better on you chest than the helmet in the case of an accident. It's a fixed angle so the camera doesn't follow what you're looking at, however the thought of the GoPro pushing through my helmet in an accident gives me the chills so chest mount it is for me.
I also use it for insurance purposes, some years back I started saving the interesting clips and making videos just as a side hobby.
Safe cycling. 🙂👍
Glad you were okay.
Thank you, just the bike that was damaged thankfully.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 ironic how you posted the near misses just two days ago too ☹️
@@jimswheels Thankfully it's very rare that I ever have contact with another vehicle.
Too many problems in London.. i mean this for the traffic! I always has the same problems.. nothings change.
Agreed, if only everyone would just spend a tiny bit of time to look out for everyone else it could be so much better.
Damn it...what a stupid driver. Hope you are ok ! Bike it's just a piece of metal ! Take care !
I'm all good thank you, just a bit lighter in the wallet than I was this morning. Safe cycling to you too.
Do you wear gum shields? Just knocked both my front teeth out from a bike fall.
By every letter of the law the car driver is in the wrong. But this happens ALL the time. You shouldn't put yourself in potential situations like this by just ploughing down the inside of vehicles. A dotted line marking a bike lane gives you no protection whatsoever. Drivers are also allowed to cross that line when turning or avoiding obstructions in their own lane. Something you're taught on a defensive riding/driving course is to expect every car to do this, hang back and give yourself somewhere to go. The letter of the law is no good at all when you've been flattened.
It's always a risk, in the 14+ years I've been commuting daily by bike from London, that's the first time I've had such a collision.
I got caught out by poor signalling and observation by the driver. It's a good example for other cyclists of how easy it is to get caught out even when experienced.
It's not as fast as it looks, GoPros give a false impression of speed.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 With respect, you allowed yourself to be caught out by the driver after positioning your bike somewhere it should never have been in a million years.
It's a good example to other cyclists of why you should hang back behind a vehicle, so that if/when they do something stupid like this you can just shake your head at them and carry on...
@@timclark4195 You can see from my knees, the second the car pulls out ahead that I stop pedalling. I was planning on hanging behind until the car pulled away, and at the point the indicator stopped I relaxed when I should have braked. And then it was too late. Doesn't matter how much experience you have, anyone can get caught out.
Sorry cyclist but YOU are in the wrong as not taking care. That was obvious that would happen. This is why you should pay road tax and have insurance and number plates. I hope the car you damaged with your poor riding skills was ok
Yes the cyclist was wrong, but its not road tax, its excise duty for how polluting your vehicle is. so please stop using this bull shit excuse that all car drivers use.
When the driver stopped indicating it was not obvious. That's why cars have indicators, if it was obvious what drivers were going to do then we wouldn't need indicators.
The driver broke several rules of the Highway Code buy not giving sufficient notice of turning, by not checking the mirror and blind spot before turning, by pulling across another lane (the cycle lane) without checking out was clear, by failing to stop at the scene of a collision.
I do pay road fund tax (I also have a car), I also have insurance for my cycle. If the driver had bothered to stop we could have exchanged details.
Cult Watch: *Sorry cyclist but YOU are in the wrong* & *This is why you should pay road tax and have insurance and number plates.* Stop with the victim blaming, and best stop with that level of ignorance. No one in the UK pays road tax, as that is a type of tax that was abolished in 1937. What drivers do pay, however, is a tax that is based on a vehicle's emission (Known as VED\vehicle excise duty). The more emission a vehicle lets out, the more you pay. That is why owners of electrical vehicles pay no tax on their vehicle, just as cyclists pay no tax on their bicycle because their vehicle does not let out any emission.
You don't need a license or compulsory insurance to ride a bicycle, because riding a bike imposes a very little risk to the public - to other people lives and their properties. Driving does impose a high risk, no matter if you drive a car or a motorcycle, and that is why one needs a license and compulsory insurance to operate such vehicles. That being said, research does show that most cyclists have a license to drive (It is estimated between 80%-90% have it) and many cyclists have insurance on their bicycle (Bicycle insurance is very cheap, and many have it through their home insurance). Did you also know that there are many many motorized vehicles out there without insurance being used on the road? It is said that there are more uninsured drivers on the road than uninsured cyclists. I highly recommend you to read about the license and insurance part for cyclists online, as there are many great articles out there explaining why license or compulsory insurance and registration plates for cyclists is both pointless and harmful against cycling.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 I think you missed the sarcasm
@@k-rj740 Thank you for this. Unfortunately we are faced with many people who simply believe that cyclists shouldn't be on the road at all, and therefore any incident involving a cyclist must be the fault of the rider as they shouldn't be there in the first place.
Their arguments are typically full of hypocrisy, as you point out, and are driven by a pathological hatred of cyclists rather than logic.
I don't know what drives that hatred, there are bad cyclists out there that break the rules of the road , so that could be a reason, however that's a human condition not limited to cyclists. There is just as large a proportion of bad car drivers breaking the rules, speeding, on their phones, running reds etc. So I don't think that's the key driver.
Like most prejudices I suspect it's driven by some form of insecurity or jealousy. Not nice to see but typical, I encounter it every day. However it's nice to see it balanced by rational posters like yourself.
Have a great day. 🙂👍
The car didn't even stop to check if you were OK!!!
Nope, the driver hesitated a second then just drove off...
The indicator self cancelled as the car straightened up out of the initial turn. The driver then re-applied it for the next left. He did fail to check his n/s mirror before making the turn across you but could be forgiven for not expecting you to suddenly appear. You can't know peoples level of skill/experience in the car at first glance and it is unwise to assume (especially when you are as vulnerable as you are on a bike). You have to accept some of the blame there. Not trying to be confrontational, just an opinion.
If we keep having these level of standards then we will always have accidents, crashes and at worst, fatalities. Everyone must be equipped at a high level to drive carefully. Even if it means practicing in spare time.
Too fast, as said before you'll learn the hard way - and have.
What is too fast is to indicate and flick your car into a turn a split second later without checking it's clear. The incident was caused by the driver failing to give sufficient indication of a turn, failing to check mirror and blind spot, failing to take due care when crossing another lane of traffic then failing to stop at the scene of an accident.
I'm not cycling fast at all at that point, you can see from my knees that I stop cycling at the start of that video and am just rolling waiting for that car to pull away down the road (fair assumption once the indicator stopped).
If I'd been pedaling full speed and tried to zip past the inside of that car I'd have had a big crash and would have gone over the top of the car. Because I'm alert and careful it was a minor incident where I didn't even come off the bike, and was only one inch away from there not being any contact at all!
I know people like you believe everything is the cyclist's fault because you get a funny feeling when you see lycra and have to lash out so that you feel like a real man again! 😉
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 ''people like me'' People like me can distinguish between cycling in an ideal world and cycling in the real world - you can't.
@@leetaylor9368 I've been cycling through Central London daily for the last 13+ years. Trust me, I understand the real world. How long have you been cycling through London?
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Appeal to authority fallacy.
@@leetaylor9368 Plenty of evidence to back my claim, just look at all the misses compilations on my channel. There's a reason they are misses, because of my real world experience.
Where's your evidence that you know how to cycle in the real world? Do you even cycle, or is it a case of appeal to armchair expert fallacy on your side?
Can you identify the reg plate, hope so?
Yes, the reg was clear in the video so I've logged that with the police. Fingers crossed they can locate the driver.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Did the police actually do anything about this in the end?
@@GenericPurpleTurtle No, they said there wasn't enough evidence to convict. Probably wanted me to arrest the driver and bring him in along with a signed confession! 😉
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 ...wow, what a joke.
@@GenericPurpleTurtle I guess the police are very busy and, as nobody was hurt they weren't bothered to look into it. Very disappointing but that's life I guess.
Did you report this one to the met?
Yes, along with the video. They haven't replied yet, fingers crossed they do so.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Good stuff
Ryan Sedgwick - London Cycling what was the outcome of this then
Thats what happens when you undertake someone.ride within your capabilities
I wasn't undertaking the car, I had stopped pedalling as soon as I caught that car. As it stopped indicating I was cruising waiting for it to pull away down the road.
If this driver doesn't have the capability to indicate with sufficient notice, to check the mirror and blind spot before turning them they shouldn't be on the road! That's one of the first things they teach you in driving lessons!
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 your arguement holds no water ,what difference does it make if you was peddling you could have been going down a hill ? The fact is the undertook him ! Ie: your front wheel passed the back of his vehicle on the inside. Your full of excuses,
@@peteramberley9952 There's no hill! It's flat there. There are no excuses, it's about intent. If I was going to undertake that car I'd have kept pedaling and passed. And legally I have every right to do that.
As it was I didn't want to take the risk and had no intent on passing that car. I stopped pedaling once I reached the car and waited for it to pull away up the road. Cars are much faster than cycles and, as the driver had stopped indicating that was a fair assumption. I only end up alongside the car because at the last minute it brakes and turns unexpectedly.
Can't believe the bugger just drove off.
Yes, that's the worst bit. If the driver had stopped and said sorry and we'd exchanged details etc then it's just one of those things. I've reported it to the police now so we'll see what happens with it.
Good its illegal...Hit n run.
Erwin I expect he had a job to goto and not the dole office
Shame, we need new laws - assumed liability which basically stops SMIDSY and SMIDGAF assaults, and make it the law that’s vehicles MUST allow vulnerable road users to proceed around you before turning
As more of us carry cameras, hopefully people will at least think that they may end up in camera, and take more care out of fear of prosecution (as consideration is beyond some people). Keep safe. 🙂👍
Undertaking in his blind spot, what did you expect you muppet.
I wasn’t trying to undertake. The car pulled out of a side road ahead with indicator flashing from that turn, you see from my knees that I stop pedalling and hold at the rear of the car to see what the driver does, the indicator cancels. So at that point, in answer to your question I expect the car to pull away down the street.
Cars are faster than cycles so he would have pulled away, hence no undertaking. Instead the driver brakes, indicates and turns all in a split second. Has not checked mirrors, blind spots etc. Has ignored the rule that the driver must give way to the cycle lane and cuts me up. Thankfully I was able to react in time to prevent a more serious collision. I only end up alongside the car because it brakes unexpectedly, not because I was attempting to pass.
When I drive I always check my mirrors.
Exactly, doesn't take a second and you should be especially careful when pulling across a cycle lane.
You're taught to check your mirrors then indicate, nice to see some people don't think it should apply to them
@@DLicious Probably too busy playing with Google Maps on their phone!
Funny isn’t it. Riding a bike and driving makes you more observant and you look for other vulnerable road users including bikes, pedestrians and animals. Seems just driving a car causes tunnel vision, entitlement and man child syndrome.
@@Tox1415 I'd agree, the cycling head made me far more aware when driving.
Generally with mobile phones, sat nav and the various infotainment options in cars these days there's so much to distract drivers, and many are happy to be distracted.
You're asking for trouble. You should always stay behind the car at the intersection
I was expecting the driver to pull away down the road, when his indicator stopped that’s what it looked like. Then the driver indicated again and pulled across without looking. Bad driving plus I misread the situation. Fortunately not too bad.
Hope your bike is ok mate..keep safety...🚲
Thank you. Luckily Evens Cycles were able to fit me in that day for a new wheel and brake rotor so I was able to cycle back home that evening. Have a great day
Expensive that was ?
£85, not too bad but I'd like Ike to claim it from that driver.
Clearly looks like he's taking the left
Had the indicator stayed on, then yes.
However it then flicks off, and at that point it looked like it was still flashing from initial pull out onto the main road, and that the driver would now pull away down the road.
From the point the driver re-engaged the the indicator it was only a split second before they turned.
So it wasn't clear, it's at least equally as likely that the indicator would have remained off and the driver carried on straight down the main road.
It's a good example of how you can never rely on assumptions, and how important it is for drivers to check their mirrors before turning, especially when crossing a cycle lane where they are supposed to give way.
Doesn't really matter though. He still needs to check his mirrors and let cyclists pass before he turns.
@@KhanTheBabe bad cycling if you ask me
@@KhanTheBabe my point is he could of avoided the collision and any potential harm to himself
extremely poor driving
Unfortunately so, and then failing to stop at the scene makes it even worse. Take care. 🙂👍
Give the driver of that car a medal
You think poor driving, lack of awareness and ignorance of the Highway Code deserves rewarding! Says a lot about the quality of your driving then!
This was a bit your fault as well
How? The car had stopped indicating therefore effectively signalling their intention to go straight on. I was in a separate cycle lane, I'd stopped pedalling and was cruising waiting for the car to pull away. Which rule was I breaching at that point?
The driver then indicated again, braked and turned across a separate cycle lane all in one second. Have a look in the Highway Code, it outlines that you have to give sufficient notice when indicating, you have to check your mirrors and blind spot before turning, you have to be aware of cyclists and motorbikes being on your inside before turning. The driver was in beach of all of those. Even if I hadn't been on the inside they still breached those. Even if there was no cyclist there, think you'd pass your driving test if you did that with the examiner in the car?
I reacted best I could in the one second the driver gave me but there's not much else I could do.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 the car has self cancelling indicators which probley turned off when steering went straight which i guess the driver re indicated at that time,you were lucky you wasnt hurt,but i hope you learnt too slow down and be more allert aswell from this unfortunate accident, you are not blameless and im sure you would have failed your test if you undertook someone on your driving test.
@@peteramberley9952 Excellent point, the self cancellation of the car is cancelling the drivers indication to pull out of the side road initially. That indication was not for the second turn in. The driver gave less that one second indication for the second turn. Do you think you would pass your driving test turning like that? With less than a second of notice, no mirror or blind spot check before turning across a cycle lane?
I was not trying to undertake the car, look at my knees, I stop pedaling once I reach the car. I'm waiting for it to pull away way down the road, which once that initial indicator stops, is what the car is signalling it is going to do.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 shame you couldnt apply this logic to the way you ride! And stop trying to hide behind the fact you under took him! A car driver has to be aware of a lot of things on the road also infront of him and to the side not just some idiot flying up the inside of him you put yourself in this situation by your aggressive cycling
@@peteramberley9952 I didn't undertake the car, my front wheel ended up alongside the cars rear wheel due to it braking and turning at the last minute.
If the driver had given sufficient indication and notice that they were turning left I'd have dropped right back.
And yes, car drivers very much have to watch out for cyclists, and have to give way to the cycle lane when turning across it. Have a read of the Highway Code:
182
Use your mirrors and give a left-turn signal well before you turn left. Do not overtake just before you turn left and watch out for traffic coming up on your left before you make the turn, especially if driving a large vehicle. Cyclists, motorcyclists and other road users in particular may be hidden from your view.
183
When turning
keep as close to the left as is safe and practicable
give way to any vehicles using a bus lane, cycle lane or tramway from either direction.
Those are the rules my friend, and the driver did not follow them. If you don't like that, take it up with the Highways Authority, not me!
It’s your fault, why would you undertake at that speed approaching a left turn with a car on your right without being fully aware, totally your fault, you should be more aware of what might happen when you ride irresponsibly
I wasn't undertaking, the car stopped indicating so I was expecting it to pull away. You can see from my knees that I stop pedaling once after it pulls out in front of me. I only end up alongside because the driver brakes suddenly.
Secondly, how can it be totally my fault when the Highway Code States that, when turning you have to give way to any vehicle using a cycle lane (last bit of the extract below)? The driver did not follow rules 182 or 183 below. Even if I was undertaking (which I wasn't), the driver is still at fault as they are crossing a cycle lane to make the turn and haven't checked the mirror, given sufficient indication or given way.
182
Use your mirrors and give a left-turn signal well before you turn left. Do not overtake just before you turn left and watch out for traffic coming up on your left before you make the turn, especially if driving a large vehicle. Cyclists, motorcyclists and other road users in particular may be hidden from your view.
183
When turning
keep as close to the left as is safe and practicable
give way to any vehicles using a bus lane, cycle lane or tramway from either direction.
Way to aggressive.....nearly an A&E customer 🚵🚵👩🦼
Miss-read that drivers intentions, and the driver didn’t indicate properly or check mirrors etc. Fortunately a minor incident but far closer than I would have liked.
The general common sense of the road says ... if you can stop in time you didn't give the other vehicle enough distance or yourself enough distance! As a motorcyclist, I'm astounded by your approach to riding and putting yourself in positions with no way out. It's call anticipation and reading the road ahead. Hazzard perception in the driving world! .. and you think you have it, but on many occasions show you haven't. You always second guess and assume what the other driver is going to do rather than assess the option of what they MAY do! The more of your videos I watch, the worse my opinion of you and your common sense becomes. That said the car driver should have used their inside mirror to check before turning in, but like motorcycles, a quick glance doesn't always see small frontal area obstacles (at speed) coming up the inside. Ride more for the conditions and environment, not for your own mad rush to get from A to B and ride safely!
I avoided a more serious incident here, it was minor, just a slightly buckled wheel.
Very poor driving and indicating, plus the driver leaving the scene of a collision as they likely knew they were in the wrong. I was expecting the car to pull away up the road, an expectation strengthened when the indicator cancelled after the driver pulled out.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 Ryan, you need to step back and start looking at your own actions. Every reply you give on YT is the same ... you never think you were in the wrong, yet the same situations arise time and time again and its always someone elses fault. Change your riding style and make these 'events' less common. You are 50% of the problem here too. Until you take off your blinkers and see that, nothing will change ... unless of course you crave the YT attention you seem to get by putting yourself in danger and posting this stuff! I've ridden a motorbike for 40 years, had one guy pull out off a junction in front of me, which I avoided due to 'anticipation". 1 in 40 years! You're either 'unlucky' or your making your own bad luck! Please analyse your own riding, there is a lot to improve on. Stay safe.
@@simonbaxter8001 I have the same reply because in all my incidents I am following the rules and looking where I’m going. The incidents are caused by the other road user ignoring the rules and not looking.
A lot of commenters on here are hypocrites, their view is that it’s fine for other road users to ignore the rules, cyclists have to take responsibility for that. Always the cyclists fault.
My view is that it’s everyone’s responsibility to follow the rules and not cause incidents. Hence I continue to put up videos showing the danger caused when people ignore the rules.
It’s a very fair point that just because you follow the rules doesn’t make it safe, you have to adjust for incidents happening around you. I do this, and I have very few issues. This video is one of the rare times I misread the situation and got it wrong. Still was minor however and still the cause was this driver not following the rules, not indicating properly, not checking mirrors, not giving way when turning across a cycle lane. Had that driver driven properly this would never have happened.
You were cycling way too fast for the traffic conditions.
You were trying to overtake in a I intersection.
Do I pity you? No!
I was not attempting to overtake, as soon as I catch that car I stop pedaling, when the indicator stops I was waiting and expecting the car to pull away up the road (as cars are a lot faster than cycles). Soon as the indicator went back on I braked but as the driver gave insufficient notice, and braked and indicated at the same time, I ended up alongside as the car turned into the corner.
Poor driving by the driver, poor indication plus did not check the mirror or blind spot, plus the Highway Code states that you must give way to a cycle lane before turning across it. Is that how you drive?
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007
If you were not about to overtake and not speeding, you would not have hit each other. Typical cyclist to think that because the car drivers error frees yourself from responsibility.
@@marauderslide5782 I was not speeding, the speed limit on that road is 30mph, I can get max 25mph out of that bike. At that point I was doing about 20, 10mph below the speed limit.
If I had continued to pedal and tried to pass the car, I would have slammed into it at speed, probably flipped over it or smashed through the window and would have ended up in hospital.
Because I was neither speeding or overtaking, I was about to react to the late indication and make this incident a very minor one, no thanks to the driver.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007
Primarily not speeding is to adjust your speed to the traffic situation. Secondly to be below the speed limit. Your 20 mph is way above a safe speed in that situation.
@@marauderslide5782 Not on the assumption that the car was going to pull away down the road at 30mph at the point of stopped indicating. This incident was caused by poor indication and observation by the driver, not by my speed.
0:12 some very bad driving by that car! Pulls out on you then cuts across you. I would say with the car signalling wait behind HOWEVER you did not have any time to slow down this stupid muppet
Agreed, a little more time spent by the driver to indicate properly and look before turning and it could have been avoided.
The car didnt" pull out on him " at know time did it inconvenience him cause him too swerve or stop peddling or brake he is using this to excuse him undertaking.
@@peteramberley9952 I don't have an issue with the pull out, but you can see that I do have to stop pedaling. So it has forced me to slow. On my driving lessons many years ago I was told that if you pull out and you cause the oncoming traffic to slow then you didn't have a sufficient gap. In the reality of a London rush hour however, it's rare that you get a "sufficient" gap. So I've no issue with that.
Undertaking at a junction, never a good idea.
I had no intention of undertaking that car, once the indicator stopped I was coasting, waiting for the car to pull away up the road. When the driver executed a last minute turn I only end up alongside as I don't have enough time to stop.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007
If you were not planning on undertaking ,why do you keep pedalling for so long after the car pulls out, move into the cycle lane and get dangerously close to the car?
@@happyface6004 Cars are faster than bikes, normally when cars pull out of junctions they accelerate away. This one pulls away slowly so I stop pedaling once I catch up with it. If the indicator had stayed on I'd have braked and hung back as we got up to the junction.
The indicator cancelled and stayed off for a couple of seconds so I continued to coast still waiting for the car to pull away.
This is why indicating is so important. There was 0.45 of a second between the indicator coming back on and the car crossing the cycle lane. That's not sufficient indication.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 so you wrongly assumed that the car was going to pull away, and wrongly assumed that they were not turning because the indicator had cancelled.
How are your wrong assumptions not your mistake?
@@happyface6004 Because that is what the car is indicating. When the indicator cancelled the driver is telling me that they are not going to turn. If they are not going to turn the fair assumption is that they are going to go straight on.
When you drive your car and come to a controlled stop at a red light, you have a fair assumption that the car behind you is paying attention, and won't drive into the back of you. You can't know for certain. After you saying that it's your fault if the car behind drives into the back of you because you assumed they would stop?
Car already indicated left but you continued at speed.
Watch it again, you're mistaken.
The car's indicator remains on for a few seconds after it pulls out of the junction, then it stops. At that point I believe that the car is going straight on so I continue along the cycle lane.
The car then starts to indicate again a split second before turning, at that point I've committed and am alongside and do not have time to stop.
Regardless of this, the driver should be checking the inside mirror before turning in, had they had done so they would have seen that there was a cyclist alongside.
@@ryansedgwick-londoncycling9007 I'm thinking this guy is either a complete idiot or a troll. I hope he doesn't drive in any case. Glad you got through that without injury.
@@edism I think the two often go hand in hand! 😉 Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, may not have watched it closely.
Thanks for your wishes, thankfully a minor incident but could have been worse. The bike was fixed same day so just about to hop back on it for another exciting trip to work! 🚴👍
Have a great day.
He re-indicated almost instantly. He should have looked obviously, but this is just a dangerous situation. Many drivers are simply not used to turning across fast traffic in non-turn lanes. It's not a safe situation and cyclists (and I'm a daily lycra wearing one) would be smart to recognize that and develop practical solutions, instead of just insisting on never waiting for traffic.
Guy is obviously in the wrong but I can't help but say that you brought it on yourself. Why were you going so quick? To get to work 5 minutes earlier? Don't put your life at risk for something so petty.
The GoPro makes it look faster than it is. I was cycling at approximately 20mph, at the start of the video you can see my knees pumping. Soon as I catch the car I stop pedaling and coast, assuming that the driver will accelerate up to 30mph and pull away, as the indicator cancels I think that my assumption is correct and the car will pull away. Then I'm caught out when the driver slows, indicates and turns with very little notice and I can't stop in time.
20mph on that road is perfectly reasonable, the cars are typically doing 30mph along that stretch. I just got caught out by a bad piece of driving.